The new normal for car nerds - The Carmudgeon Show - Ep. 22

[@ljsites]

Don’t stand, Don’t stand, Don’t stand so close to me. Seeing any car content now is refreshing. Your channel always is.

[@JasonCammisa]

Ha! That would have been a good one. Except I think Sting sings four octaves higher than Celine. I would have shattered the window next to me trying. ;)

[@left_ventricle]

JasonCammisa There’s your new show, the . Sorry I’m the master of bad jokes haha

[@jasonyoung6420]

I'm not bored because I'm stuck at home, I'm going insane because I'm still putting in my 40hrs remotely while simultaneously trying to teach and entertain my 5yo; HE NEVER STOPS TALKING, MY BRAIN IS GOING TO MELT.

[@pedropancho3128]

In my case 2 five years old.

[@BoostedAkatsukiRiffs]

If that ain't and advo for condoms lmfao jkjk be safe

[@echtogammut]

I expect there will a new appreciation for the daytime babysitters we call teachers after this.

[@diegoaponte8512]

Jason Young sorry man....

[@lewisu2088]

Five and seven year old here. I am with you

[@archimedes298]

The show must go on. Car nerds rejoice!

[@martingardens]

I resemble that remark.

[@oldcarproblems3332]

Couldn't agree more. Influencers SUCK. The problem is, being niche these days doesn't translate to money. It's unfortunate AF

[@tsubijohn6310]

Facts good sir

[@adamshpolyansky2827]

Oh the joy of watching this 3 years later with the knowledge of what happened to the car market and the price of gas and the pandemic itself

[@TheMachRider]

I loved the part where Jason said “for the first time everyone else is benefiting instead of the 1%ers”. Oh what a wave was coming towards us he was blind to.

[@andmicbro1]

25:38 Thank you Derek! I'm sick of the influencer crap and my consumption is primarily knowledge based. I may watch some influencer in the moment, but I get tired of that junk so fast, and it's content that actually contains information I want to know that I keep coming back for, and then I become a follower who regularly consumes that content. Carmudgeon makes the cut for me!

[@wisdomntshalintshali3296]

That's why I no longer watch channels like Vehicle Virgins anymore, as much as there is a lot of car content it feels more like show off that it it does show knowledge about cars or driving enthusiasm thereof.

[@johnbacon4997]

Hes a joke. I lost sever respect for him when Tyler hoovie 355 burnt down AND THE SAME DAY he buys a BRAND NEW Ferrari. That's like saying "sorry you're wife died, but hey look at my new wife"

[@MohamedAli965]

Jason your mini instagram reviews are honestly gold. Straight to the point and discuss exactly what people want to know. Keep em coming. Great episode as always

[@bluetoes591]

The mini Instagram reviews are all I can handle for new car news. Gives me an idea of what is going on so I don't feel completely out of touch, but I have no actual interest in any car made after about 1995, so I'm never going to sit down a read a proper review or even watch Doug Demuro drive one.

[@flacjacket]

I like how Derek TamhyphenScott keeps his fire extinguisher behind his alcohol, priorities.

[@left_ventricle]

Perfect for nerds out globally. This reduces my anger for not being able to practice driving, talk to other car nerds. Thanks Cammisa.

[@BlueRidgePhantom]

Yes, the local business support is vital, that is if we want to see the same businesses when this is over.

[@CJBarbour]

Next Icons episode - Derek does donuts in a Miura... feel free to keep your shirt on

[@michaelbruce3050]

This is a great episode! Derek, you are spot on: the internet unfortunately gives everyone (even morons) a voice and that degrades discourse, but true enthusiasts/nerds/etc. will always seek out the experts (like the Carmudgeons 😍). And Jason, to that end, you will never be irrelevant: an informed, data driven, objective voice will always prevail over the vapid douchebaggery of influencers to the enthusiasts (even if we are in a minority) ✌️❤️

[@ukwan]

My mum and sister are both nurses here in the UK, Derek Tom-Scott. People putting themselves on the line are far struggling far more than us self isolating you are totally right, your mum is a hero! Ring her as often as you can and be nice :)

[@nathanbickel8050]

Never realized that you didn’t make money off insta. Thank you thank you thank you for all that you do for us. Love watching all your stuff for the entertainment value and the info that I get from you. Thanks Cammisa!

[@erics3596]

Starts the chant of "DO IT DO IT DO IT"

[@JasonCammisa]

Keep going... keep going!

[@mikebeale1685]

Could the pandemic result in a long term increase in the number of people working from home? This could change the demand for cars and traffic patterns.

[@nirfz]

Listening to all the people whining about having to work from home and stay at home, i have my doubts.🤔

[@johnbacon4997]

@@nirfz I'm from the future. In WA state it has caused some people to permantley work from home. Especially in Seattle

[@nirfz]

@@johnbacon4997 And have they all sold their cars and plan to work at home forever? (When the period ended where everybody who could had to work from home in my homecountry, most of them complained that they didn't like that and were eager to leave home again. They claimed to have a sort of cabin-fever. The little time i worked from home i had no such problem, just that i am only able to do minor things. Most of my work can't be done from home. The apparati i have to repair and maintain are on certain locations)

[@johnbacon4997]

@@nirfz no but I guarantee you that they are driving less

[@RealBearFace]

Shout out to Derek's mom. Hope she stays safe

[@englishclubusa3571]

The best part of your shows is that I can watch them again, and again, and again....

[@echtogammut]

Glad to see a new Curmudgeon. Hyphen noted that he was going out riding and I will say it has been nice up here in the Bay Area getting out for rides, but the few cars that are out have been driving like psychopaths. I saw a guy driving on the sidewalk a couple days ago, so he could turn right on red, amongst many odd things in the last couple weeks. Makes me a bit more nervous when riding, especially up quiet back roads.

[@bedmember]

Audio here seems to be much better than regular ones

[@martingardens]

Agreed.

[@BlueRidgePhantom]

Glad that we got another Carmudgeon episode. Listening from my office now.

[@torytronrud2413]

Tesla's China plant is up and running. And Tesla sells its cars online. So, it's probably in better shape than the big OEMs.

[@Firewired1]

1 - donuts in a Muira, please 2 - why do you have [60] after your tire pressures on you white board? 3 - Keep up the good work ! I really enjoy the show

[@SmartMass]

1 - I've seen that bracket system before for ambient air temperature while the cars at rest, I don't think that's the case here though. DONUTS IN THE MUIRA!

[@JasonCammisa]

1 - I can not say YAAAS loudly enough. 2 - that's the spare tire in brackets, so that one requires 60 psi. 3 - thank you, mean it!

[@montyhowell6050]

Jason, watched you for years now. Thanks for the effort here. it's a break from my 14-hour nights as a hospital RN on the med-psych unit, where if they're sick, they don't want to get well, or, if they're alive, they want to die. Perspective, right? One of my techs has just tested positive from helping out downstairs on the medical floors. I need this KZbin and my on little drives(where I never get out, or off the motorcycle). These austere conditions, like hand washing and masks, that the public is lamenting, are no more than what we live with every night as nurses. We'll make it. 911, BMW 428 M-sport,6-speed manual, '86 560SL, Forrester, 2500 HD 6L gas, 1974 BMW R75/6, 2010 Triumph Bonneville.

[@saadareeb4631]

Love the new format! It's really cool and has a cozy/homely vibe to it. Feels different but definetly good different! Hope you guys are doing well and are healthy and safe.

[@zishansyed8905]

Thank you for continuing to give us content!!

[@ISSIMIOfficial]

You bet! More to come!

[@JuanHernandez-pz2mx]

Wow... this episode will be a great point of reference for the darkest days of the pandemic.

[@Vonstroke]

Renault/Nissan has nothing do to with PSA & FCA, well apart from the French government owning a stake.

[@cvandenhaute]

Came here to say that as I needed to fact correct Jason 😄but you beat me to it

[@wojciechkubiak1690]

Just listened to you guys today while detailing the interior of my W140, a perfect Saturday morning in this difficult times! Greets from Poland

[@JDsHouseofHobbies]

Derek, your mom is a true hero. I'm still working (truck driver) so most thing haven't changed for me. I do love the lack of traffic in the Bay Area though!

[@revmotor]

I hope you eventually get paid for your Instagram car reviews, Jason. It’s great content.

[@JasonCammisa]

Ha, you and me both! Thank you!

[@Dnaiss]

There's an "alliance" Renault/Nissan/Mitsubishi, with shared and cross ownership of each other's equity with a predominant ownership by Renault, but the sharing out may have changed a bit these past months. So you could say that this group would encompass the 3 main marques mentioned and add to that, on Renault side, Dacia, Samsung motors, Lada (AvtoVaz) and Alpine ; on Nissan's, add Infinity, Datsun and Venucia. But this group is not connected to PSA (Peugeot, Citroen, DS, Opel/Vauxhall and now Fiat- Chrysler) , both groups are pretty much in competition on the same segments, and try to coexist (or survive?) alongside (underneath? )VAG. Thanks for the show and the great content you're offering us guys. Cheer up and patience for the confining, we're all in the same sh*t.. Greetings from France 🙂 (you hate us but we, mere car enthusiasts, love you nonetheless, because you're one of the very best, Jason 😉)

[@tsubijohn6310]

The best episode I've seen so far

[@P3nUp112]

Even before he mention the bottles I was already looking at his bottles and judging

[@corradotox]

Kevin Project exactly 😆

[@gregserpa9600]

You should each film a video showing us all of your cars. You've talked a lot about them, but we haven't seen them all in one spot. I'd enjoy it.

[@anthonyschroeder521]

I fueled up in earlier this week at 1.12, but I saw afterwards our local Costco has .99 cent a gallon gas. Premium is different though, even at stations that were same ~1.15 with regular gas, I've seen anything from 1.69-2.89.

[@darcygoesfast]

I am tackling all sorts of car projects that would have normally taken many many months to complete- this is the one positive of quarantine.

[@DirtDude117]

Online auctions for regular cars (local car auctions and Manhiem) are either not running or running every other week with an actual run. Currently cars that are still under warranty are stable but other cars are wildly low or high since people can't inspect/rig them in person. ACV still seems to sell cars at a premium but they are missing a lot of issues which cost them not the seller. I'm a used car dealer in SC-USA (finance through banks/credit unions) and we're still doing decent business but I'm not going to be spending the same money to buy cars right now. The $1200 check everyone is going to get is going to affect prices on many of the cars I buy since a lot of Buy-Here/Pay-Here places are going to buy up everything

[@kevinking1848]

I enjoy this format. Honestly I don't feel like I am losing much.

[@johnbacon4997]

What do you drive dude?

[@nednash8649]

This was an absolutely tremendous discussion of the hobbyist end of an industry, and the experts -- and not experts -- who serve as information sources. I had direct experience in a comparable world for much of my career, and saw exactly what Jason and Derek observed. There was an optimistic view of the eventual outcome and a pessimistic view. I was an optimist, but, sadly, the pessimistic outcome won out. For the sake of all car enthusiasts, I hope the better outcome prevails this time. I really enjoy hearing the views of these two, and Jason is getting to be my favorite US commentator.

[@matthewrobertson9986]

Jason: is that a car seat as an office chair ?! Awesome - what car is it from? And yes ... donuts in a Miura!!

[@shanavlakaram4919]

Time too get my cup of coffee! Stay safe guys

[@oldcarproblems3332]

Best podcast yet. Tell it like it is, J. It's mostly assholes being rewarded these days.

[@jsmaldokj]

Jason's rant about influencers gives me life i will what this show till death

[@timobolka1]

Why is this unlisted? And how did I access it?

[@JasonCammisa]

Hopefully that was just a glitch? All solved now, Timo?

[@rlambert7773]

Keep the content coming gents, PLEASE 👌👌👌

[@Strike86]

In London they have ultra-low emission zones where only hybrids and full electrics are allowed on week days between certain times. Classic cars are fully exempt. I think this is a great standard for other cities to copy.

[@cayman9873]

You guys were on to very correct thoughts on durable goods failing . People thought cars value would drop like a rock. As they have gone up and up and more than doubled in price.

[@NewfieOn2Wheels]

I'm actually up to 50 hours a week now with a 15% raise and work is absolutely insane. Being essential is fucking terrible, the money's nice, but it's not fun. I'm looking forward to taking a break and going on a road trip when this is all over.

[@a.h.9324]

Agreed on influencers! Please get rid of Shmee and company.....

[@johnbacon4997]

Shmee is never as bad as Vehicle Virgins

[@dougrobinson8602]

93 octane is under two bucks at Costco. Good timing, as I'm still working and have a 40 mile round trip commute. Great idea to patronize local shops.

[@brianward6291]

REALLY love the show guys, keep it up!

[@pigeonpoo1823]

Riding my bike on quiet road and heard the exhaust, then an M3 flew by, followed by an almost too silent R8. Highlight of my day

[@justaddafan]

I grew up with subscriptions to 3-4 car magazines at the same time. My face was constantly behind a magazine if I wasn't doing school work. I read monthlys from MotorTrend, Car and Driver, Road & Track, Automobile, Sports Car International and occasionally some of the British publications. The Road&Track annuals with highlights from reviews of the year were some of my favorites. I loved those magazines so much that I saved them and every time I'd move, a couple dozen really heavy boxes of car magazines would come with me. That ended long ago as the magazines got thinner and thinner and more expensive with redundant content on the web. The shift from paper in some ways is a bummer, but that's evolution. But for me, the saddest part of the disintegration of the media is the loss of original, quality writing. I'm so disappointed to click on Road&Track's web site and find that it's mainly pointing to other sources of video and news. Today, most of the quality content is in videos with writing being a very small, and late, afterthought.

[@snowcat3116]

Some small fact-checking here... Renault is not part of PSA, The Renault-Nissan Alliance includes : Renault, Nissan, Infiniti, Datsun, Mitsubishi, Alpine, Dacia and Lada. But it's true that FCA first asked Renault-Nissan for a merge and it was then rejected. Love the show tho, keep going. Cheers from Switzerland !

[@benonj]

You know that Whatsapp is owned by facebook, right? Not the company I trust for filtering bad information on the internet. We can always dream of a better internet future. It will be interesting to see what happens first, self driving cars, or accurate information online. Great show, as always. Keep up the optimism. We all need more of it these days.

[@05Forenza]

Donuts in a Miura, 100% lol

[@TorquingcarsOnline]

PSA Groupe and Renault-Nissan Alliance are separate, guys

[@jonasarche]

I don't know the exact law in Germany. But in portugal of you reside in city it's not mandatory to change your car. So it's not so bad for now. Still awesome show as usual. Thank you guys. Stay safe!

[@tejaskumar1582]

I think the influencers are good way for a type of intro/gateway into car culture. Someone not into cars could watch a few of their videos, become more interested into cars and then start seeking out the more technical stuff. The lack of technical info make the videos more accessible to more people/casual viewers

[@martingardens]

Ugh. Priuses in front of me when doing my Tam jam in my MINI who won't pull over. I pass over the double-yellow near Pan Toll, toot the horn and she flips me off!

[@JasonCammisa]

"Tam Jam." New favorite word.

[@kannankrishnamoorthy7797]

Thank god. Was about to type about the earphones, thankfully cammisa clarified. U guys rock..... Thanks

[@JasonCammisa]

Crisis/criticism averted woohoo!

[@tedmuta6833]

I think an important detail about the market for Car & Driver vs influencers is that people aren’t buying their cars based on some rich kid with a Lamborghini. The people engaging with that content generally aren’t that fortunate themselves. And when they actually come of age and are in the market for a car, sure, you can check out KZbin reviewers, etc, but the service between Car & Driver compared with people like you guys is functionally the same: it’s the actual information that makes a big purchase a rational one. The choice between a KZbin influencer and Car & Driver is just a question of format. Conflating the influencer scene and the market for buyer information is a bit of a false dichotomy.

[@POWELL716]

I enjoyed this very much please keep it up!

[@JCubed123]

You two are too nice to each-other when you're not physically in the same room.

[@YaketyYakDontTalkBack]

Yeah. Regular in New Orleans is under $1/gallon. Here in Maryland we're hovering between $1.80-1.90/gallon, Costco is about 20¢ less.

[@JasonCammisa]

OH MY GOD it's still $3.59 here in SF for premium.

[@whatevernevermind5960]

Is Jason’s office chair a Recaro seat?

[@stromaluski]

I'm glad I'm not the only one that was wondering that!

[@herpnut]

BMW M30 Valve cover at Derek’s? My COVID car purchase is going to be an e28... I can feel it.

[@vincentgiroux4317]

DTS donuts in Miura, DO IT!

[@kleincom]

Slight correction on that comment concerning older cars entering German cities. There is a beautiful thing called "veteran" or "historic" car, which means that in case you have a car in original condition and its at least 30 years old. Then you may driver it everywhere because its a veteran. Dont know if the US has something similar... but it means you actually can drive an E30 in Stuttgart :-)

[@simontallboy209]

I hope the magazines survive. I was really disappointed when Car Craft and the other Ten publish magazines closed. I look forwards to my Road and Track and Motor Trend arrive in the mail. Mind you I grew up reading magazines, and I appreciate the writers like Peter Egan, Jonny Lieberman and of coarse Jason. My kids on the other hand consume their media digitally.

[@aeulriksen]

Credibility will rebound as an essential value driver for news, ads, expert analysis, etc.

[@nbmaheswara]

Jason, you should do another proper care episode on how to manage your car during situation like this

[@domteewhy52]

The influencers have a huge advantage. They are typically normal people with a passion similar to ours. They will cover a different and sometimes more engaging perspective. I think a smart future has organizers and influencers working together to provide all the angles . Not separated by whose and expert and whose not.

[@guidopalesa7679]

Sadly influencers will not go away.. .for the car companies is much cheaper to pay those guys than producing their own content.

[@muppetbuster]

Just a suggestion; You may want to find another "fact checker". I have no idea how Snopes.com became the be all, end all, go-to for fact checking. It was started by a husband and wife team with no formal investigative training. Now, they're 50% owned by an ad agency. No conflict there. Just thinking out loud. Love the channel. And yes, definitely want to see Derek do donuts in a Miura.

[@carnut5562]

Yes! Donuts in the Miura!

[@tymwalt]

Jason & or Derek - if you guys ever come to Palm Beach County, FL, allow me to buy you each a drink. You two rock, especially Jason. Of course GenX are dead right about everything, especially about the rich kid influencers (ugh, cannot stand them).

[@jwainscott1871]

Donuts, Derek. Donuts for all these people.

[@SirLoinOfsteak85]

Ahh Jonny Smith! My other favourite KZbin car reviewer. All of you who enjoy these sorts of vids should also check out Smith and Sniff (Jonny Smith and a writer for Top Gear just chatting shit in cars). Very entertaining.

[@emiliorescigno]

I'd love to hear your take on Consumer Reports. They're practical but a lot more competent at evaluating cars than most car enthusiasts give them credit for.

[@ericokompatzki7110]

Wait, Renault isn't part of PSA, it has its own group wirh Nissan and Mitsubishi. Or am I wrong?

[@ericmedina5912]

I have yet to see a Miura doing donuts! Anyways, I agree that people should buy cars with the intent of enjoying driving it. Not because of its resale value down the line. Kudos for still coming out with new contents.

[@davide8641]

beautiful story about loris bicocchi, absolute legend, look into all the cars he cared for :D

[@leokal457]

37:30 what Derek said is (at least in germany) wrong (hallelujah). If your car is even mildly well kept you can get a H-Kennzeichen (Oldtimer-Licenseplate) which allows you to drive everywhere and it actually lowers the tax you have to pay significantly. So you get rewarded if you keep you old cars well!

[@MrGertsv]

31:00 I very much agree with you... it should stop. Honesty serves...

[@Crossaxle]

What happened to the e30 Wagon video? That’s my lust from the past that I need in my life again and your 2.7 was epic and was gutted I couldn’t watch that episode again :(

[@gzarrillo]

Great episode as usual. Quick comment, PSA merged with FCA. As a matter of fact, FCA had to reduce its value (by distributing cash) to have an equal partnership with PSA.

[@rip4273]

Hi Jason, do you know where I can get the blueprint of the 190 that is behind in your wall?

[@dhabbott41]

You guys are great!

[@kcspeed9980]

The nyc construction industry has been all but stopped, even as an architect who can work from home, nobody is paying until work starts again. Also building department is closed for drawing review and permits approvals

[@JamieHuntington]

The very top car influencers are like movie stars - maybe not technically the best, yet awesome.

[@101aptbam]

Jason! Where did you get that office chair from? It looks great

[@jackkonieczny25]

yes, do donuts in the mura !!!!!

[@qtrfoil]

"All by Myself." Written and first released by Eric Carmen, 1975. I'm older than both of you guys.

[@TiagoMorbusSa]

27:59 daaaamn, laying down the truth right there!

[@mariorossignol9756]

Jason, we are the same age and you are doing my dream job. But where you moved into driving these awesome automobiles, I'm driving a delivery truck. That being said, if we are dinosaurs then I'll grow old with your opinions. Couldn't agree more with you. Sorry Derek your intelligence of the automobile industry blows me away, I just align with Jason more. #pessimisticasshole

[@carlsanders1320]

The eye-rolls and facial expressions in this episode are beyond brilliant.

[@JasonCammisa]

Derek's eye-roll could have won the Olympics.

[@carlsanders1320]

@@JasonCammisa *Paralympics

[@FerritZA]

Do you guys have a link to a high quality version of that thumbnail? Looks amazing!

[@ISSIMIOfficial]

Good idea, we should definitely do a gallery of our adventures on our site. We'll work on it!

[@FerritZA]

@@ISSIMIOfficial Sweet! Would be great for the lockdown blues too.