It's Time for Marvel to Move Beyond Kevin Feige

[@captainmidnight]

Do you think the MCU needs a change in leadership, or should they stay the course? The first 1,000 people to use the link will get a 1 month free trial of Skillshare: skl.sh/captainmidnight09231

[@reteledman]

I think they need to change

[@onojioboardwalk9748]

.. Nah - 'Its time for disney to end.' Thats what's going to happen.

[@mmmahh9056]

They need a complete overhaul

[@eamonclark4952]

No Kevin Feige IS Marvel Studios and the MCU

[@ComikBookG]

The superhero genre in film is starting to flame out. I don't think swapping out Feige will change that.

[@Rembreiker_lychec9257]

Just one of many problems with Disney: All their movies need to make $1 Billion, minimum, to be considered a success. Because their production & marketing budget is always so out of control.

[@gregvs.theworld451]

I genuinely think we'd have higher quality basically everything is bigass corporations and shareholders took a step back from the idea that, to win capitalism, you monetary ammount has to get higher than previously to infinity, and realizied that in a lot of cases, making less than before still means you make a fuck load more money than most people make in 10 lifetimes. I know there's no specific number on how much is "enough", but maybe they could figure out a ballpark. It's crazy when something genuinely heartfelt and creative comes out that might not happen again when the rich fatcats at the top lose their fucking mind and say "THIS IS A DISASTER. THAT MOVIE ONLY MADE A MASSIVE FUCKLOAD OF MONEY, BUT NOT AN EVEN BIGGER FUCKLOAD THAN THE PREVIOUS MOVIE! THE SHAREHOLDERS WILL HAVE OUR ASS FOR THIS! WE MIGHT NEED TO SCRUB THE ENTIRE CREATIVE TEAM!"

[@zero1188]

Think it superhero fatigue. Need to blow it up take a long break and start over

[@DemonicRemption]

@Rembreiker_lychec9257 That's another problem, but what film goer will go to see a low budget movie? You need to remember that Disney's execs and other Hollywood business types created this monster of needing big spectacle to captivate audiences. To kill it is to lose money.

[@hammerr3]

@@DemonicRemptionthere are movies with lower budgets that look FAR better than Quantumania…

[@gregvs.theworld451]

@@DemonicRemption The Blaire Witch Project is considered one of the most influential movies of all time, and definitely worth a watch at least once, and it was a small pack of drugged out friends in the woods with a camera. If there's a cool idea and good presentation, people absolutely will go see a low budget movie.

[@jinpei05]

Personally, I think the MCU is suffering from the same thing the source material does: years of continuity that makes it tiresome for newcomers to catch up and enjoy. Two or three movies per year was perfectly doable for the general public. Now it's multiple movies and Disney Plus series just to know what the hell is going on.

[@johnman8398]

Except you don't have to watch everything to understand or keep up, no-one is forcing anyone to do that.

[@teddybear8348]

​@@johnman8398but then again it makes the general audience confused because if any show or movie so heavily attach to each other then that is a problem

[@johnman8398]

@@teddybear8348 Even with those ties the movies are still understandable. As long as you pay basic attention to the movies you get all the important context that you need and if you still want to find out more then you can choose to watch the show that the movie is linked to afterwards, its not rocket science or an issue.

[@yashmathur2]

​@@johnman8398It obviously is an issue. Show anyone Dr. Strange MOM who hasn't watched WandaVision. They will have no idea how and when did Wanda become an antagonist

[@johnman8398]

​@@yashmathur2It isn't a problem. I can't speak for idiots who aren't able to pay attention to movies but MoM tells all the important details you need to know to get why Wanda is a villain.

[@ethankillion786]

I think Ms. Marvel suffered the most from this. Kamala shouldn't be saving the world on her own, and defenitely not that soon after becoming a hero. The whole concept works so much better if she's just trying to keep New Jersey safe from low level villains like the inventor while also dealing with teenage superhero problems.

[@princessmanitari4993]

I agree! And her family are also a huge part of the main plot, same with her friends, so disconnecting her so fast is really odd

[@JamesLawner]

Personally, I think The Marvels is where Kamala Khan should’ve been first introduced, then she gets her TV spin-off where she fights low-level villains.

[@Del-Dokan]

​@@JamesLawnerLike Spider-Man: Homecoming

[@princessmanitari4993]

@@JamesLawner i agree! And it should've been like a multitude of villains and a 3 season show. Her comics are really good!

[@billmore6486]

why does this sound like a criticism for spiderman lol.

[@alexanderwinn9407]

The problem with the MCU is simple: they're not building to anything right now. Phase 1 was building toward the Avengers team-up, and Phases 2-3 were building toward the confrontation with Thanos. Phase 4 vaguely teased Kang, but he's already been defeated TWICE, and if you didn't know about the titles of upcoming movies you'd have no reason to think he was coming back. Without something to build up to, the whole franchise seems to be aimless and out-of-gas. They just need to start focusing in again, start building hype, and return to that "each piece builds on the last" format that worked for the first three phases.

[@markdarc0448]

You're both right and absolutely wrong. They are building to something. They're building to like 50 different things, the kingpins rule over nyc, kang, an alien vs human war, post blip fallout, celestial war, Egyptian god war, eternity level threats, the kree's return, a possible intervention of the watchers, etc etc. the list goes on and on. So you couldn't be more wrong that they aren't building to anything, because they are. But the issue is that they're not building to ONE thing. they need one singular focus and thats supposed to be kang but it's just not. fatws, moon knight, love and thunder, secret invasion etc all have absolutely nothing to do with kang.

[@EG20121]

@@markdarc0448I think that if you take the phrase “jack of all trades, master of none” and reformat it, it applies. Since they are focusing on so much it may as well be not focusing on anything if that makes sense

[@sayanchatterjee355]

Yes, agree. It's completely aimless right now. There's no bigger piece, no overarching narrative. The only things I am looking forward to in the near future are the second Spider-Man trilogy, and some Fantastic 4 and X Men stories. Also, Marvel finally has their best and most bankable characters back now. Instead of focusing on residual Phase 1, 2, 3, characters (many of whom were B-list characters to begin with), Marvel should start really look to build of their premier characters now.

[@Vor567tez]

I think people wouldn't hv been clueless if there was atleast 2-3 great movies to keep us hooked. The whole reason Infinity Saga become so impactfull bcs of incredibly crafted Winter Soilder and Civil War. MoM and Thor 4 had the greatest opportunity to become their successor however they terribly missed the mark. There's a clear and steady decline of interest since these 2 floped(storywise). MCU needs not good but GREAT movies.

[@daviscarl3766]

Russo brothers said they weren't really building towards anything until the ending of phase 3, audiences are expecting a building, how about marvel make complete movies that could stand on their own and still have some open ended plot threads that could be used later

[@goldenlotus3046]

I feel its not just Kevin. Im sure disney has a massive influence in the decisions he makes.

[@owalterluan]

I think you didn't watched the video

[@goldenlotus3046]

@@owalterluan i think you make too many assumptions.

[@bentertainmentproductions8451]

I blame Chapek wanting to milk everything in a limited time span. Plus he wanted movies to be 2 hours maximum instead allowing some movies to breathe in their own accord.

[@goldenlotus3046]

@@bentertainmentproductions8451 yeah!! Exactly!! Also i feel a lot ofbthe agendas thats pushed in all of disneys projects for sure has an influence in Kevin's choices. He's playing a bigger game than he was when they made iron man. And had investors and people st disney he has to make surensre happy. Its not just his style and interests at play.

[@MrRmmk1]

Exactly what I said. I worked in corporate as a designer. There's a filter for creative decision making. It all has to follow a particular filter without much room for creative control. It's why all the movies feel samey

[@kylev.1163]

I still think the problem lies within' the aftermath of Endgame. Stakes for anything were never as high as when Thanos was trying to snap away half the universe. His purpose was stretched through multiple phases, building him up until we got 2 movies with him. Every minute he was on screen, we knew the stakes and what a threat he truly was. It's strange, however, that every movie after seemed to skirt the aftermath of Endgame. It only ever felt like Earth was affected afterward. There is never any talk about how his actions affected the universe. Going back to the formula of pumping out movies with forgetable villains with no real stakes is why nobody cares anymore. Couple that with the fact that the theater going experience is just so damn expensive now. People dont want to shell out big money to see something they have seen a hundred times.

[@johnman8398]

Of course stakes aren't going to be as high as Thanos right off the bat you have to build up to that again, a non-stop hype train isn't realistic. As for Thanos' impact in the universe, to be fair Earth is the main focus and the location that people care most about. Its still relatively early in this saga so its possible that his impact on the universe could play a bigger role.

[@xrphoenix7194]

Stakes don't have to be world ending to be important. That's not to say they have done stakes well since endgame, they haven't, but stakes are based on their emotional importance to the character

[@SugaManBiscuit]

Let’s not forget all they’re doing to our favorite heroes is replacing them with female counterparts

[@Thed538dhsk]

But what you say doesn't make sense, mcu films are the consistently highest grossing films post pandemic. Sure films like top gun or avatar 2 or Barbie or Oppenheimer beat out marvel but for their output they are beating every other film. So clearly audiences are paying. Also phase four took more risks than any other phase except phase one. The desire to change and will to do so is there but fans are the ones who haven't responded well to changes made.

[@drdarkeny]

@@SugaManBiscuit- one...or more toxic incel in every conversation any more. 🤦‍♂ Don't you have a DeSantis rally you should be at?

[@jacosisaba]

I think everyone just needs a break. Fans, casuals, and the studio. We need time miss it and they need time to make a more complete and thorough project.

[@Iosaiv]

Would be interesting to see if they just start back up in 5 years and see what it will bring.

[@channel45853]

Then just don't interact with the MCU, it's pretty easy

[@Thed538dhsk]

We had that during covid

[@Thed538dhsk]

​@@TheCoolCucumberthey did not willingly tho during the pandemic

[@Thed538dhsk]

​@@Iosaivwhy 5 years?

[@zachryder3150]

Keige's hard-on for Rick And Morty writers is going to be very fun to look back on in a decade for how every one of them flopped.

[@benwasserman8223]

Tell that to Loki’s success

[@zachryder3150]

​@@benwasserman8223You're seriously defending Michael Waldron as being a net positive for the MCU? Cool...

[@kono5933]

​@@benwasserman8223loki was shit

[@benwasserman8223]

@@zachryder3150 Seeing how I like MoM and Rick & Morty… yup.

[@vineetdesai6396]

​@@sebastianmaregattiThe movie turned Strange into a dumbass and Wandas character basically got character assassinated with her villain arc being half baked and rushed and not to mention America Chavez just being a Mcguffin and not a character and a very annoying character. And the whole movie wasn't a "Multiverse of madness" Watch Spiderverse for a better Multiverse story.

[@amerikaOnFire]

What it feels like to me, since End Game, is that Feige and Marvel just need to keep pumping out movies so that they can sustain profits and growth for Disney. They didn't have a big plan to move forward with everything because it got so complex with all the Disney+ shows being ordered. So they figured they would "one off" most of these movies so that something was always coming out to keep the profits/growth going. But, as what happens with these types of things a lot in big business culture, it just doesn't work out. They don't even have the X-Men worked out (and they bombed the last few movies too). That makes no sense unless the corporate powers simply want to rely on bankable sequels until they are no longer bankable. These people typically have no concept/care of ruining the brand...they just want to hit their own personal cash-out milestones to keep investors happy in the short term. Feige and Marvel are a part of that money machine and they just gotta keep CHURNING until there is nothing left to churn.

[@xrphoenix7194]

The problem with marvel right now isn't "sameiness" it's the complacency with bad scripts. Sure innovation on some level is important but consistency is only a major problem when it's consistently *bad*

[@LinkMarioSamus]

But a big reason the scripts are bad is because they’re samey.

[@Fluffy_production]

@@LinkMarioSamusnot even bringing up all the forced pc shit. I’d they allowed their characters to be flawed and experience great failure they’d be better

[@LinkMarioSamus]

@@Fluffy_production WTF is forced pc shit? More women and POC in the new Marvel entries is pretty low on the list of gripes I have.

[@drdarkeny]

@@Fluffy_production - there's always one toxic Rabid Puppy incel MRA type, isn't there? The universe does NOT revolve around you, pal-learn to share.

[@ShadowSonic2]

​@@Fluffy_productionWomen and nonwhites exist, deal with it

[@JohnnyBRad]

I think like any good TV show, a showrunner eventually steps down and lets someone else take the reigns. I feel like Feige had a clear vision and an amazing run with the Infinity Saga and some fresh people would be nice. Keep him on as an advisor (like Kripke with Supernatural) but it's time to let fresh minds take a stab.

[@Thed538dhsk]

But who do you replace him with? His job is highly specialized. Hollywood has been searching for the last decade for a new Fiegie. Disney hasn't found one, WB hasn't, paramount hasn't, Netflix hasn't etc. There are other show runners there is only 1 Kevin Fiegie.

[@Christ2010Grad]

@@Thed538dhsk my thoughts exactly!

[@damiantirado9616]

That’s not what good tv shows do. Showrunners never step down unless the tv show is failing. Breaking bad and better call Saul never had their showrunners step down. Lol wtf are you talking about Also supernatural sucks after season 5 which is when Erick Kripke left

[@JohnnyBRad]

@@damiantirado9616 Aren't you defeating your own point? You just said showsrunners leave unless the show sucks and then immediately said Supernatural sucked after Kripke left. Soooo...yeah. Also tons of showrunners leave once their vision is done. Has nothing to do with quality usually. They just do their run and then leave. Dexter, West Wing, Walking Dead

[@damiantirado9616]

@@JohnnyBRad showrunners leave unless the show sucks meaning the producers of the show want it to keep going and they fire their main showrunner. Aka the walking dead Frank darabont was fired cause the producers didn’t pay him and his writers well, so he wasn’t just fired but all the other writers as well. The walking dead has been shit since season 3 right after Frank darabont left. Same thing goes for supernatural and dexter also a show that sucked when showrunners started leaving, ask most people they’ll say the ending of dexter sucks. West wing is a one case scenario. The majority of shows only have one showrunner who is the man/woman with a vision. Tv and movies are different. Movies are director driven, tv shows are not director driven they are driven by the showrunner. Again mcu fanboys showing they don’t know anything about the industry apart from superhero shit

[@technocore1591]

I don't think this is on Feige. I think after Endgame, (IMO) Disney stepped in and essentially said, ok we've let you have your fun, now we want to use this IP we paid for to promote D+ and we want to do a multiverse so we can be a lot looser with bringing characters in and out. Oh and were gonna cut a lot of corners cause we got shareholders that are more important than our customers. I think without Disney's control, if Feige had been left alone to just keep making MCU movies to tell stories he wanted to tell, the MCU would probably be fine.

[@trevturp6891]

This is on Feige. He was in charge of Phase and he's in charge of Phase 5. And both of those phases are terrible. So he didn't do his job and, if he had, then both of those phases wouldn't suck. He's also the reason that Secret Invasion sucks, he told the director of that show not to read the comic that the show should be based off of and he also told the director to give G'iah all of the powers of every character in the MCU in the finale. He's also made a lot of terrible decisions, like cancelling Cloak and Dagger and other Marvel live action tv shows that were going to be made. He's the reason the MCU sucks right now, so he needs to go. That's the only way that Marvel is going to get better.

[@Iosaiv]

Actually a terrifying possibility.

[@ccelite3782]

Thats what people don't understand. Feige had nothing to do with this

[@Blazecap]

people act Kevin is only producer on these movies when others I would boot first l(like Nate moore). Even if hypothetical speaking we kicked Kevin out someone else from marvel studios would take his place and we would be in unknown territory.

[@marktheshark7588]

@@trevturp6891 You're spitting facts

[@acmikez]

My biggest problem is that none of the movies feel grounded anymore. Obviously it’s never been the most realistic but most of the movies pre-endgame felt like they could happen on earth if superhero’s were real. Post-endgame has a major scale problem. Worlds have gotten too big, superhero’s too powerful, etc

[@Mosh-f5b]

Agreed Too many heroes now. Eternally and the judge came by and it felt our of place

[@CamJames]

Any man who would greenlight something like Agatha and Echo deserves to be replaced. Just out of touch entirely.

[@ShadowSonic2]

By that logic, Guardians shouldn't exist

[@dogood8750]

I agree Feige may need to readjust and give directors more control but I don't blame the majority of the MCU's problems right now on Feige I think him being stretched WAY TO THIN was Disney mandating more projects for Disney+ and that has DILUTED the NOVELTY of the MCU project in addition a lot of the projects where directors have been given more control have been mixed with Taika, Gunn, and Raimi given more freedom in their movies and receptions being radically different.

[@skatemo100]

Kevin Fiege took Marvel from small film studio to the highest grossing film franchise of all time. I don’t see Disney ever firing him considering how he’s also the most successful producer of all time.

[@chheinrich8486]

While they keep Kathleen Kennedy seemingly only out of feat for the shitstorm it could create, (or she knows where all the bodies are buried in hollywood 😅)

[@imbored1179]

I know marvel isn't good now, but he did a fantastic job for a decade. It's undeniable how much of a successful run he had, and how good the movies were up until recently. Marvel definitely does need a shakeup, but he definitely doesn't deserve any hate he gets and no one will "look back and cringe" at old marvel. Marvel now however needs a large change, and marvel should definitely leave him behind. my problem is people treating it like it's a dishonourable discharge, rather than a natural event

[@sethdanielw]

Well said. I also find it highly unlikely that he's the main reason for the changes that have made marvel bad. It's most likely stakeholders who are following trends and polls rather than people who care about the characters. Things were too good for while to blame him for everything.

[@Jay-jb2vr]

Kevin Feige will forever be respected

[@strangeglass2512]

Marvel IS good now

[@sethdanielw]

@@strangeglass2512 genuinely curious, what do you like from current marvel?

[@Fantallana]

@@sethdanielwMs Marvel, Moon Knight, Wakanda Forever, and GotG3 were all lovely. WandaVision and Loki were also pretty good.

[@kingjay9929]

This could be “careful what you wish for” scenario. If he did step down there’s the possibly of someone even worse stepping in and taking over

[@JS-uc3qf]

Then we still wouldn't be missing much because right now, it's an absolute mess and shows no signs of getting better any time soon. Feige has lost it.

[@superby1]

The other thing to note is Marvel had a good run that went far, but you can’t be on top forever. The higher you go, the farther you fall. I don’t mean this in a “they deserved to fall” way, but more of a “it was gonna plateau”. The thing is, people got so used to them being on top, it’s hard to handle that not everyone is loving the MCU’s output. They used to wave of criticism as haters, but with even the most loyal of MCU fans saying they’re not enjoying the shows and movies, it’s starting to become a reality. Maybe there is something to be said about moving on from Fiege.

[@Christ2010Grad]

Tell me then, who do we replace him with?

[@superby1]

@@Christ2010Grad I would’ve said Gunn but they kind of burned that bridge. If they could lure them back, I’d probably say the Russo brothers. They’ve worked with many of the MCU staples, but they’ve also shown they can handle multiple tones and thread the needle when it comes to an overarching story.

[@admiralweb27]

Kevin Fiege is being way too overhated. People are now blaming Fiege for the bad parts of Marvel's release, but as you mentioned, he's been steering through the good and bad. These movies just need to have an end in sight, it doesn't matter who steers a sinking ship.

[@jackielogan9104]

fk Feige and his studio associates for labeling Marvel fans as filmmakers to NEVER bring on board in any project.

[@Fantallana]

@@jackielogan9104many fans do a good job of making people think they should never be hired to lead things. Almost every time I hear a new fan theory, I think “thank god the fans don’t write these movies.” But I’m sure there’s SOME fans out there who could do a good job.

[@jkcrawl]

I agree I just think End Game had a certain finality to it that everything now seems lackluster. The only way I can see it getting better is if they scale it back a bit again. None of the characters really feel special anymore and the style is uninteresting.

[@sarov7658]

He is a fraud

[@rafa.frqnz1188]

His movies are just not good .. let’s b honest

[@ChrisLT]

I've honestly enjoyed a lot of the phase 4 movies. But it's the oversaturation. The endless TV shows is what made me check out since I just can't keep up. Now I feel like I'm behind and have to do my homework before the next big movie.

[@johnman8398]

You don't have to keep up with it all just watch what you can when you're interested and if you feel like going back to what you missed then watch it if you want.

[@Thed538dhsk]

The shows really aren't needed. The shows are basically all origin stories. Except what if which is different universes and not required viewing. The shows are more like bonus content rather than main storyline content so you should be good

[@Helldog6]

@@Thed538dhsk It doesn't matter if you need to or don't - it's FOMO. It's content that you are missing out on because you don't have time to watch 30 hours of television to catch up on who Moon Knight is, or who Kamala Khan is, or why Loki is working with a detective agency, or why Wanda is suddenly evil, etc. It was a dumb decision, through and through.

[@Thed538dhsk]

@@Helldog6 what do you mean???? Yes it does matter if it's required viewing. If you wonder who kamal Khan is or why Loki is working with a detective agency watch the show. Or don't and just watch the movies which explains everything you the audience needs to know within that movie. You don't have to watch the shows to understand. They are just extra or bonus content. Literally none of the films have required the audience to watch a show to under what's happening in the film

[@Helldog6]

@@Thed538dhsk "If you wonder who Kamal Khan is or why Loki is working with a detective agency watch the show. Or don't and just..." Yeah, you're missing the point. I can't explain it any better than I already have - so just keep trying to process the last response.

[@revgaamusic]

This is a scorching hot take, but I'm intrigued if they can find the right new creative direction instead of floundering like DC has for so long.

[@LeMelleKH2]

It is far from hot. Many, if not most fans have been vocal about the shift in quality of Phase 4 and 5

[@CJ2008NW]

The title sounds crazy to me because Kevin Feige has been great… I just feel Disney wants to water him down… I think in anybody else’s hands it would be even worse

[@sarov7658]

Not really he is just being exposed for what he is without real talents

[@curryis828]

​@@sarov7658hahahaha you're stupid 😂

[@checksoverstripes2498]

@@sarov7658nah he’s not. He’s being watered down and censored by the woke idiots at Disney.

[@channel45853]

​​@@sarov7658artists don't lead the company, and it seems, to me, that Kevin has been very free with artists, more than most would in his position. Maybe I am wrong but I feel I am not

[@ShadowSonic2]

​@@checksoverstripes2498You use boogeyman words like " Woke", you lose credibility

[@Superunknown190]

Idk, I don’t think Feige is a lost cause yet. They need course correction but if phase 5 & 6 suck as much as 4 then yes I think it’s time for a change in leadership.

[@tobiaslawrence8928]

It's Disney that is the problem

[@Directo13]

The first phases he let the director do a lot. The 4 and 5 he's telling to make them from the same mold!

[@kevin10001]

⁠@@Directo13no the difference is that during the first 2 phases until around Iron man 3 Feige had a boss he reported to name Isaac Perlmutter where the script and idea went through before getting to Disney that’s why those movies feel less like the humor is dialed back and a resemblance of a plot but after Perlmutter was demoted to marvel television then ultimately fired Disney became Feige bosses and he got to crank the humor up to and action up to an 11 and the plot would feel nonexistent that doesn’t mean Perlmutter is a good person cause he isn’t it just means feige is better when he is kept in check cause basically the mcu has become like a big never ending book and every movie/television show is just a new chapter in that now requires the knowledge of all the other chapters to understand the present chapter you’re watching

[@berrevanriest7686]

I don't think switching leadership 2/3 of the Multiverse Saga in is a smart move, at this point they should wait until after phase 6.

[@Lackofstyle]

​@@kevin10001lmao no Don't for 2 seconds think it's Perimutter that made the first phase good. Understand that the Inhumans were his idea. He's the reason Avengers 2 and Iron man 3 turned out the way they did. The man didn't give a damn about the creative process just wanted to make money. Rose-colored glasses are one thing but this is straight up denial lmao

[@SalazarKnight]

Indeed, comics endure through time because they are allowed to evolve and change. Seems like Marvel movies could use some of that now. Thank you, Captain!

[@Zethonring23]

I agree, no matter how much the MCU tries to diverge their projects all ultimately end up feeling the same. I first noticed it with the Doctor Strange movies, as a fantasy fan I was really excited to see the MCU start exploring magic, I thought we were going to see something groundbreaking, I was imagining Harry Potter in the MCU or something of that sort, then the first trailer comes out and it just looks like Inception, a sci-fi movie. Then I watch it and it just feels like every other MCU film, any logistical differences between sci-fi and magic powers felt completely superficial, even more so in Multiverse of Madness.

[@dannypalin9583]

There's a scene in X-Men Hellfire Gala where Feige's a guest at the party. It's an uncanny valley cameo that was put in so fans would be happy that the X-Men will turn up in the MCU. It's already aged like milk.

[@JamesLawner]

The big question is, WHO should follow Feige? Who has the creative vision to help helm an entire cinematic universe? Would Jon Favreau be up for the task?

[@VoidNull9222]

I think it’s important to remember that the first Iron Man movie was kind of a risk for Marvel Studios Iron Man as a character had almost no name recognition to the general public. People knew who Spider-Man was, they knew who the Incredible Hulk was, they maybe knew who Captain America was. But Iron Man? He was the ‘who’s that?’ to anyone who wasn’t already a comic book fan. Add onto that you had Robert Downey Jr. in the starring role at the very beginning of his redemption arc. He was sober but to a lot of people he was still this Hollywood screw-up. But despite all that Iron Man was a success and spawned the MCU! Now though it seems like Disney/Marvel/Kevin Feige would rather lose money playing it safe than take a risk and have it either pay off or fail as something ambitious. I know it’s not that easy, especially when you’re dealing with large companies but it’s pretty clear that the MCU has been stagnating and will cease to be (or cease to be profitable) if something doesn’t change

[@Thed538dhsk]

Please explain how the mcu is playing it safe NOW??? Phase four was the most risk the mcu took since phase one with iron man. Gave full creative control to directors like Zhao, Coogler, Gunn, and Waititi. Of course the Disney + formulaic in structure yes but risky in how that structure was done. Love, like, or detest she hulk all you want but it was a risk for the mcu.

[@chrish7983]

I wouldn't overstate how "unpopular" Iron Man was. He had a cartoon and a popular toy line in the 90s. In fact, i was just watching an old episode of Seinfeld and Jerry argued with George over whether he wore underwear inside his armor. So he was well known enough that the most popular sitcom in history casually referenced him.

[@Dave102693]

@@chrish7983exactly

[@teddybear8348]

​@@Thed538dhskin what way it nothing compared to what James Gunn is going to do with the DCU he literally said that swamp thing will be a horror story,he is going to bring The athurity which basically the boys type of story on the DC universe,you have classic narrative superheroes like superman legacy and maybe buster gold and super girl, that is a risk to do something actually different in terms of storytelling and decisions behind the scenes the MCU has even do that they barley scrap the surface with this "risk"

[@Thed538dhsk]

@@teddybear8348 are you asking me how mcu phase four is risky vs Gunn's DCU? 1. We don't know how risky any of these films or shows are since none have come out not even trailers. 2. Just glancing at the line up not very risky except unknowns like the Authority, repeatedly failure swamp thing, supesn legacy since man of steel and Superman returns had issues before, brave and bold with Robin since Batman and robin in 1997 was so bad, and a wonder woman show with no wonder woman. Rest is like it or hate it, safe pics to build a cinematic universe with. Superman is only risky due to failed history before, the character himself is very popular and well liked so it's more of a risk of having common sense to not make the same mistakes of the past. Same with swamp thing but to a lesser degree. Small budget swamp thing is actually safe it's just the fan base hasn't proven to be large refer to the DC universe show for context. The authority being like the boys which has consistently been the most popular comic book themed show according to Nielsen isn't actually that risky then. I guess it's risky to try to rip off the boys when clearly they are better at it than gun refer to his The Suicide Squad low box office even compared with other HBO Max films released that year. Not risky just not very bold choices it seems. Except having Damien that's the first bold risk I see. The rest are safe if Gunn isn't an idiot and makes obvious mistakes

[@GUKingOfHeart]

The MCU is going through almost 2 generations of audiences. The Young adult fans are almost middle age... and the young fans went from kids to adults. That's too long for that audience to have the same taste.

[@Thed538dhsk]

Wdym? MCU has been around for 15 years. Young adult let's say 22-ish are now 35-ish which isn't middle age. Kid fans assuming they were 5-10 when they started watching are now 20-25. What in tastes have changed you think?

[@ccelite3782]

If it was a problem of "not having the same taste" then we wouldn't like the old MCU Movies either. Its just the fact the movies lost quality

[@Thed538dhsk]

@@ccelite3782 how should Disney/Fiegie improve the quality?

[@Helldog6]

@@Thed538dhsk By making better movies.

[@ccelite3782]

@@Thed538dhsk stop doing "diversity hires" and hire people based on skill.

[@adamfrey4920]

Hear me out: franchises need to take breaks where they simmer as low-income generators rather than constant high-output machines that burn out and die. Star Wars quietly sat from 1983 to 1999.* It still had steady output! But that was for the deep fans who wanted the steady stream of content. I'm sure it wasn't making billions. It was, however, probably making millions. * - Or maybe 1997, which was the year we got Shadows of the Empire: all the content of a movie without an actual movie.

[@jacoblyman9441]

Even between 2005 and 2015 we had The Clone Wars then eventually Rebels, but a lot of the rest of Star Wars was slower output focused on video games, novels, comics, etc. Disney could use that breather space for the MCU for sure. Ironically because every Star Wars movie is announced then canceled these days I feel like Star Wars is catching some of its breath with only television output right now, although even then I think it could benefit by slowing down to just one or two marquee shows instead of what feels like 5 or 6 series right now. It is good to slow things down. Give the audience a chance to catch their breath then build up hype again.

[@adamfrey4920]

@@jacoblyman9441 A certain major film critic recently complained that "Nobody watched Rebels." This statement is...poorly worded at best. Rebels and Clone Wars was steady output for people who specifically wanted more Star Wars content. (Also, kids. That's important.). They weren't "mass audiences, but they were larger than certain-film-critic will give credit to. (Although SW audiences should also admit that, even while large, they're still a niche fan audience.) (You may be wondering who I'm talking about. Let's just say he's from the United Kingdom and has an open alcohol problem.)

[@jacoblyman9441]

@@adamfrey4920 I didn't watch Rebels as much as I did The Clone Wars, but I still saw all of Season 2 and most of Season 4 so I know enough about the characters to really enjoy their story continuing in Ahsoka. It's amazing how consistent small scale content like that can gradually build up audience connections to the story.

[@ultimateslinger9857]

That comparison with how the Bronze Age was a reworking of Batman was a great point. Also Salazar Knight is an awesome channel. Very great videos

[@maxordman4100]

The Disney Plus shows began after endgame and they certainly do occasionally feel creative and fresh. Moon Knight and Loki are excellent examples. I have heard a lot about Kevin’s upcoming plans from other channels and he has some good ideas but I can see cracks as well in his plans. I’m glad to see that there are fans rallying behind him here, he has done some amazing things and he deserves a good finish before he steps down. Kang is also a really good character and if you read some comics about him you can see how dangerous he truly is and the movies don’t reflect that well. Iron man is indeed a memorable movie and it has been pointed out that some people became bigger fans of the character thanks to the film. Kevin’s successes are indeed amazing but you have some good points too. I’m very anxious for new X-men movies and there’s certainly some good stories that could be told. I’m reading Fall of the Mutants from the 80s era and it would be amazing to see that adapted into a film. Outer space is getting thrown into almost every superhero movie right now. I kinda miss seeing the heroes fight the villains on earth, and not “in another dimension”. Marvel should definitely consider moving away from Feige. Secret Wars is coming soon and I would like to give him a shot at that project but I agree his plan is falling apart a little bit too. Thank you for addressing this subject. I definitely wouldn’t mind seeing Marvel Studios change things up sooner rather than later.

[@damiantirado9616]

Moon knight is tha opposite of creative and fresh. Damn mcu fanboys have low expectations

[@LeeJin-o1y]

In Marvel's massive success Kevin was the one that got most credit so it's only natural that he gets biggest blame for recent failures

[@Thed538dhsk]

But my problem is the mcu has had basically no failures. A lot of disappointments but no blue beetles or shazams or black Adams or fantastic beats 3 or the dark universe mummy film. They have taken risks, some haven't worked out. What flat out failures has the mcu had?

[@KaterynaM_UA]

it not only feels the same it feels SO corporate, so safe and unoffensive, it's basically feels like it's made for kids.

[@adampkalb]

No, many Marvel movies and shows are still too PG-13 to be "made for kids" exclusively.

[@ashura9706]

That’s because they are duh

[@FINNSTIGAT0R]

I'm sorry, but are you actually under the illusion that superheroes are not for kids?

[@YourMomsNewHusband]

@@adampkalbhave you seen why children look at on TikTok? Hearing the word “shit” a couple times in a Marvel movie won’t kill them

[@samuelzev4076]

@@ashura9706punisher was not kid friendly and so was daredevil

[@ggt47]

Imagine if we got someone like Christopher Yost or Greg Weisman as studio heads? They gave a beautiful Spider-Man series,a decent Wolverine and X-Men show and a great Avengers show that combined decades worth of comics without feeling convoluted.

[@SuperSteph5]

Those guys had access to Marvels best characters which made for good shows. Marvel's current problem is that their characters aren't interesting

[@ggt47]

@@SuperSteph5 True.

[@WilliamButcher26566]

​@@SuperSteph5Marvel Studios currently has access to MANY of their characters from the comics. Possibly the most they've ever had. They just aren't using it well. They bought X-Men, F4 licenses. Spider-Man is under a good deal too. What else makes Marvel?

[@Thed538dhsk]

​@@WilliamButcher26566spiderman is still Sony what are you talking about?

[@Thed538dhsk]

Yah but the animated shows are different than these blockbusters films. Look at DC and Bruce timm with Batman & Harley Quinn and the killing joke animated films.

[@mmmahh9056]

I think we need directors who are TRUE marvel fans and actually read the comics and can stay true to the characters they are portraying _while_ bringing something new to the table

[@jackielogan9104]

what sucks is that they have a "director, producer, and writer must NOT know anything about Marvel comic books" hiring policy

[@BrendanJSmith]

We need more directors like Sam Raimi and James Gunn.

[@6scar911]

I think it would truly be rare to find a director like that, but I honestly think we need script writers that know the source material better than directors.

[@Hugh_Jannis]

​@@BrendanJSmithSam Raimi directed Multiverse of Madness and that movie is universally hated. I liked it though

[@ahmadmohammed4212]

@@BrendanJSmith James Gunn is done with Marvel

[@bobodo45]

4:30 Do you think that Joss Whedon might be responsible (to a degree) for the movies' tendencies to undercut themselves? Prior to the first Avengers, the only movies that tended to do that were the Iron Man films. Captain America, Hulk, and even Thor took themselves more seriously than a fair portion of recent MCU works. It could be that with the success of The Avengers, production tried to emulate that with their other movies with varying results.

[@civivva4501]

I think the cinema isn't the only place where we can get superhero stories. Different streaming platforms are a great opportunity to tell large and small superhero stories with different tones and creative influences. I am currently watching Korean and Chines dramas. Hollywood is not the only place we should look to get superhero stories.

[@MrZachtheKingsfan]

I don’t think it’s time yet for Feige to be replaced. It sounds like Disney is aware of the recent struggles of Marvel, so he should definitely be given a chance to adjust his vision and film planning. If after The Marvels, we’re still getting the same schlock, then it’s time for some big changes.

[@eastsidereviews727]

Tip of the cap to Mr. Feige, but it's time for a different vision and voice to lead the MCU. Kevin Feige has been a great and steady hand for the MCU, but there needs to be a shake up and shift for Marvel going forward. I also think we need a big reboot as well, a new and clean slate might be what the genre needs.

[@Iosaiv]

My reboot is gonna be watching DC and rooting for that, going for that one to work.

[@Aviator-Chicken]

Of all the things Marvel needs to change it isn’t the guy who built the entire universe from the ground up The MCU does need a change but we need is less shows, better CGI, more space between projects, and just better storytelling overall.

[@CamJames]

better CGI...they need less of it. More than anything they need more creative cinematography. DC has them beat there.

[@curryis828]

​@@CamJamesDC creative cinematography????? That some bullshit 😂

[@MikeCoxmaul]

​@@curryis828Did you see the Batman. 😂

[@TheJadedJames]

I’ve heard a thousand MCU takes over the last few years. But it really is THIS simple. Nothing is going to make you feel what you felt during the portals scene in Endgame. The ultimate pay off of what the whole cinematic universe concept can do has already happened. So getting invested in these as an overarching project and not just individual movies to take or leave isn’t worth it anymore. A new producer isn’t going to fix that. But the MCU does have some extra legs no matter what because once they incorporate Fantastic Four and X-Men they automatically have another decade of relevance

[@CAM8689]

that's part of the issue assuming they have another decade of relevance if the projects aren't good it doesn't matter what is in the pipeline

[@RobStevens64]

Kevin Feige is not the problem. If anything, he did something that no Producer has done, ever, to the envy of every other movie studio. The issue is (was!) with Bob Chapek forcing Marvel to rush out a ton of content to prop up Disney+, causing a serious quality decline and strain on an already tenuous production process. Not that Chapek is gone, we just need to be patient while Feige and Bob Iger right the Marvel ship.

[@emmanuelsilvera8032]

How about we give him time for course correction. Fiege knows the MCU isnt in a great position and hes already making changes to films and shows etc. Trying to force him out of what he created is not what the MCU needs. Everyone needs to be patient and let Fiege work. He hasnt lost my trust yet.

[@GenerationWest]

As soneone who is isn't negative on current Marvel Studios at all, it can and should be better, and have some fresh blood who are competent writers, who still love different taste with these characters. The style may have worked before, and worked still, but even eveyone has to listen to criticism every so often... just not grifter ones.

[@maux7767]

I kind of think they should see if Jon Favreau is interested in the job. The Mandalorian was his baby and it revitalized Star Wars, and of course his Iron Man started the whole thing. I kind of feel like, absent James Gunn since he's gone, he'd be the one you'd turn to.

[@rzn2258]

Its time for The MCU to take a long pause , honestly. They had a great run.

[@battmarn]

The 2008-2018 run of mostly-good stuff was bound to end eventually

[@overportfilms]

Superhero fatigue will not disappear with a change of management. Yet, it may help if the management acknowledged and addressed superhero fatigue

[@MissElora]

Your KZbin channel is absolutely amazing! The content you create is both entertaining and informative,The production quality, creativity, and passion you put into your videos are evident in every frame. keeping me hooked with every video. Keep up the fantastic work, you're doing a fantastic job! 😊👍

[@dw.dunphy]

Okay, but you do know that Feige has not had his hand on the Marvel wheel for several years now, right? Specifically, he was diverted shortly before Bob Chapek's taking over as CEO of Disney, leading to Chapek's vision that everything had to feed into streaming above all else. A lot of decision-making was delegated to Victoria Alonso and others. Alonso has been away from Marvel - I think - about a year now. So this assertion that Feige's recent output as producer has been overbearing is incorrect. If anything, he's had far less influence, not more, relying heavily on established directors to fill the gaps, like Sam Raimi, Taiki Waititi, and on. While I think your opinion is well intentioned, it is ill-informed.

[@benwasserman8223]

Yeah that’s not going to happen. Mostly because we have no Dave Filoni-type public figure whom Feige trained as a successor. Plus after all the shit he went through untangling Marvel from Ike Perlmutter’s demands, I’d rather not let Feige go.

[@theartofpqh]

You nailed it with this video! I'm so ready for marvel to take a lot more risks and make movies that feel unique and have their own personality. I'm a huge marvel comics fan and I'm not longer excited about the movies coming out. So that's a big problem

[@SuperCeleste007]

Let’s see how well this video ages

[@GameingGooses]

I definitely agree. Honestly I think it would be a great idea to try something completely different such as adapting a non-superhero marvel comic book, like one of the western cowboy characters. That would give us a chance to see a completely new side of the MCU, and the time period change would make it approachable to people who haven't necessarily watched all 90 Disney+ shows and other movies that came out last month. There are lots of other comic genres you could experiment with too like horror, war, or fashion (don't laugh at this last one, the Barbie movie is one of the most popular films out in years). Pretty much all of them could be filmed much cheaper then the superhero movies with far less CGI. Superheroes have become much bigger then comics, but I think people sometimes forget that comics are also bigger than superheroes.

[@Cubelarooso]

Give us an Arthurian epic Black Knight prequel

[@bexyPTX]

It would be a huge risk but if they found the right person that might make a difference. As others have said, though, Disney’s influence almost definitely plays a big part in all of this too. Most of the same problems exist in their other IPs as well.

[@MCLegoboy]

The snarky nature of the MCU feels more like a product of Iron Man and the first Avengers movie being such big hits at the time and whose elements found their way into more projects because other people wanted to emulate what had been done, not necessarily because Kevin Feige was asking for more of it. It feels more like something that the parent company would want done because replicating success is more guaranteed to bring in the revenue. I won't deny that there are other similarities between storytelling and shot composition or whatever, but I doubt that he's also asking for constant changes being made that causes VFX artists to have to redo everything in a night, or have all these other hands on scripts writing 20 different endings. If Kevin Feige has a vision, but is being held back by Disney or has been stretched too thin because of Disney, then I think we know who to blame, it's not him. And this is ignoring his consultation on other super hero movies that were not made with the MCU, like the X-Men and Spider-Man movies. While he wasn't the main driving force for them, I highly doubt any input he gave worsened the movies, it would be other people ignoring him. He was giving advice on how to fix The Amazing Spider-Man 2, and we know this because of the 2014 hack showing that Sony wanted to try and wrap those movies into the MCU, and his suggestions would have greatly helped that movie, but they went ignored. I'm not going to say that he's a saint, when he's in much more control, sometimes the best ideas are not going to work, or when he's less hands on and lets people do whatever because he's got to make 10 projects at the same time for Disney, sometimes you get a Thor: Love and Thunder with only a few disparate good parts. I wouldn't know for sure what he is or isn't at fault for when something doesn't work in the MCU, but I still have faith in Kevin Feige. If we ever make it to the end of the Multiverse Saga once Hollywood is back up and running on full steam with no more pandemics or strikes to bog things down (as serious and important as those things are), then it makes perfect sense for him to finally retire.

[@bigred6884]

Honestly I’m not sure Kevin is the only problem, I think there’s been a considerable amount of studio meddling and clashes with creatives. D+ was a major part of phase 4 and with so much focus on so many projects it was inevitable a lot of scripts would turn out pretty mid. A common sentiment I see across a lot of the mcu shows is how they start off promising but fall off quick at the halfway point

[@caleb_clay313]

For what its worth, I have read some rumors that Marvel does apparently plan to have a soft reboot of the MCU sometime after the Secret Wars movie comes out in 2027. Whether that includes a new creative director instead of just Kevin Feige I'm not sure, but if these rumors are true, I do hope more producers can be brought in alongside Kevin in this supposed MCU soft reboot in the hopes that even more creatively diverse stories can be told by a wide range of creative & passionate perspectives.

[@dsnein]

it’s ok guys! great news! they’re gonna reboot it all in 4 years!

[@caleb_clay313]

@@dsnein Dawg, just say you're mad bored/miserable & keep it moving. I'm not about to waste my precious time arguing with you over an internet rumour. Chuds like you are something else bro. And no, me responding isn't the "Ha, I WIN 🤓" moment you were hoping for. I just don't appreciate being disrespected from some random dude on the internet. But I sincerely hope you take it easy out there bro. Everyone deserves peace, happiness, & fulfillment in their life. Including you.

[@Iosaiv]

it's way too late though...

[@Helldog6]

@@caleb_clay313 Nah, he's right.

[@dsnein]

I'm not sure what you're talking about. I love all of the content being put out. I mean, there is just so much quantity! What kind of true fan wouldn't be happy with that much content to consume? Real fans love everything with their brands label on it and beg for more, and never question it. Were peas in a pod. @@caleb_clay313

[@racool911]

I don't really care about the tone, the fundamental script has to be good before any project is underway. Secret Invasion probably had the type of tone most people who were tired of the mcu wanted. However the writing was so abysmal it didn't really cater to anyone. Sprinkle all the comedy you want, and it'll work out as long the fundamental story is good.

[@YourBlackLocal]

I think Marvel should of split into different sub departments: The main world saving heroes Magic related Heroes Stuff related to Space Espionage (AoS, Secret wars).

[@teddybear8348]

Want to be More specific because there a huge places in the marvel universe

[@YourBlackLocal]

@@teddybear8348 As in, have each of these be seperate mini cinematic universes with their own self contained characters, arcs etc. Kind of like how Guardians has it's own world of recurring factions and characters that never interact with the Avengers stuff.

[@teddybear8348]

@@YourBlackLocal you also have the street level characters and the supernatural/horror character in the MCU and. Mutants are also coming

[@YourBlackLocal]

@@teddybear8348 Street level is literally the main avengers style. Supernatural horror is literally magic. Mutants can then have it's own stuff, but as of right now, nobody knows what it'll look like.

[@teddybear8348]

@@YourBlackLocal no they not mystical and supernatural are the same just like the avengers and the defenders aren't the same, the street heroes are the one that dealing with smaller scale event that are large/global threat, like the avengers they dealing with things like drugs dealer or serial killers and pedophiles etc something that you not going to see iron man and Thor dealing with

[@Millibanilli]

Wasn’t expecting a “Go Madden!” joke, but damn did it make me laugh

[@jakerockznoodles]

For as much of a mixed bag as DC's output has been, in recent years I have found it refreshing that they seem to be taking a more lax approach to their canon than Marvel. I went into watch Blue Beetle the other week and felt like I could just watch it _as a movie_ without really being concerned about the "wider universe". Sure, the Flash and Superman got namedropped once as a bit of a nod to it, but really nothing more than that. For as much of a mess as Black Adam was, I really liked the JSA team and it was cool that they could just introduce this group of characters together like that, without feeling the need to spend too much time justifying it. While I guess some people get off on seeing how these cinematic universes connect together, I don't care. I just like watching movies (and I generally have less than zero interest in serialised spinoffs of movies, hence why I have never and probably will never watch any of the Disney+ shenanigans). I don't want to make it seem like I'm one of these "Marvel vs DC" guys, because I think it's a silly argument. I just feel like I have felt more engaged by WB's stuff - even the bad stuff - than I have with Disney.

[@a.block.of.tofu.]

2022 was imo when the dam really started to show its cracks. MoM and L&T were a rough 1-2 punch, and BP2 was just fine. Then we get AM3 that was not very good, and then GotG3 shows up and gives us one of the best things the MCU has ever done, just showing in hindsight how rough we have had it since Endgame with a few exceptions. I was an MCU fanboy but after GotG3 I feel like I subconciously checked out. I have no faith in Secret War as its obvious theyre rushing head first into it with none of the buildup of Hickmans masterful run. James Gunn really was the outlier of MCU creatively. He writes and directs and nails it every time and I'm really excited to see what he does at DC.

[@M567dk]

I know Kevin Feige is not a confrontational character, but I rather he be upfront and honest with where he is taking the MCU in the post Endgame world. At least respond to the criticism that Phase 4 and the start of Phase 5 are getting. Don’t hide behind the executives over at Disney. If this is honestly his vision for the MCU future heading into Secret Wars, Kevin Feige should be the one to answer the tough questions that fans have over how he views these MCU shows and movies going forward. To me, that could be a good way to regain some of the fan trust in him going forward.

[@syroco]

Kevin used to be a lot more grounded but now I feel like he's a fan of his own hype

[@technobladeleakedclips1827]

Yup

[@reteledman]

they need to change

[@chasehedges6775]

They definitely need new management

[@DoctorHoney272]

People often forget that phase 2 was kind of a snoozer. You can't maintain blockbuster after blockbuster, there's no block to bust eventually.

[@mattmullis4140]

I don’t really care who it is, maybe Feige can readjust or maybe it needs fresh leadership. It just needs to be simplified. Not every movie/project needs to all be part of one greater story. Just give me some good solo movies that maybe have a cameo/mention of other characters thrown in here and there to show it’s part of the same world, but otherwise movies that are strong enough to stand on their own. Marvel hasn’t really had a lot of true sequels in years. MoM wasn’t REALLY Dr. Strange 2 because you can’t just watch the 1st one then the 2nd without also having watched just about every Marvel project in between. Even GOTG, which is a great trilogy, was not unaffected by Endgame. Pretty much just give us movies like the Raimi Spiderman trilogy that we can enjoy without having to keep up with so many other stories, with the potential for big crossovers every few years. Once there is a crossover, everyone can just go back to their respective franchises.

[@OperationSpider]

But the question ultimately is "What do you want?" And no one can answer that correctly.

[@FrameDevice]

Have to disagree just a bit. I think it's perfectly reasonable to argue that all the good things of the MCU came from Feige without attributing the negatives to him as well. I don't think it's a coincidence that the MCU only really started to go downhill after Disney+ got pushed by the executives at the top of the foodchain. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that if it hadn't been for Feige's passion and guidance, the MCU would have stumbled and burned out after The Incredible Hulk. People forget how radical an accomplishment his ambitions really were. But more than that, I get the sense that he genuinely cares about this universe and these characters, unlike the soulless corporate suits at the top of the castle who only care about short-term profits. I think Feige is probably the only thing holding the MCU together at this point, and even then, barely. The executives are the real problem, because they don't care about storytelling.

[@davisisaiah5531]

It’s a problem with Disney as a corporation and not marvel. Alternate corporate visions under two different CEO’s, lawsuits, writers strikes and the complex nature of streaming all affect the company, marvel included.

[@ChrisControversial]

Give power back to the directors. There's a reason why phase 1 was so successful and still holds up to this day. Unlike modern marvel, it didn't have a generic formula. Yes, there were certain things that were the same, but you can still see the director's work within their artistry. Nowadays it feels like marvel is McDonald's and everything is just copy and paste. Captain America didn't feel like iron Man and iron Man didn't feel like avengers and the avengers didn't feel like guardians of the galaxy. Now Thor feels like Spider-Man feels like mini iron Man. There's a lack of distinction tone, character writing and stories.

[@daniaaal]

I thought Thors Love and Thunder is precisely as a result of giving power to Taika Waititi? Same goes for Multiverse of Madness and its director. Both movies flopped.

[@ChrisControversial]

@@daniaaal I don't understand how you could look at multiverse and madness and use that as an example. Especially when you can look at that movie and you can tell that Sam Rainey was held back on his vision. His movie flopped for the opposite reason of Thor love and thunder. They gave Sam not enough control and gave Taika too much.

[@tylergee3043]

New marvel feels like stumbling around in the dark for a light switch

[@SereneBobcat]

DeCosta acknowledged Feige's roll because the movie is going to bomb, and she threw him under the bus, which is pretty crazy. It goes to show how much power he has lost, not even two years ago would a director make public statements about him, if they wanted to keep working.

[@ShadowSonic2]

And when the movie makes bank, what will you say?

[@SereneBobcat]

@@ShadowSonic2 hahaha someone is delusional. The Ms Marvel show on D+ had no viewers, Teyonah Parris is not a star and Brie Larson is not either, in her mind she is, but the public dislikes her tremendously. She comes off as an entitled know it all who sits on a throne. I don't have some crystal ball into the future but have you seen the box office numbers for Superhero movies lately and Disney superhero movies specifically? It a dead genre, inevitable that taste changes, and the superhero genre had a good 20 year run. It's over.

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@SereneBobcat The Ms Marvel show actually got decent reviews considering there was a campaign against it ever being released. Brie Larson is as much a star as Joaquin Phoenix. The decent people have no problem with her and at no point did she act like she was a know it all. Chris Hemsworth and Chris Evans were hardly stars before the MCU, so saying that about Teyonah doesn't mean anything. Yes, I saw the Box Office for Guardians, in fact even Ant-Man 3 made bank once you get past the propaganda.

[@falsestartfalcon]

We need a thanos stand alone film. Just destructive activity for 2 hrs

[@dindoyop7478]

I never understood how hard it is to make a movie that isn't just bad writing, bad jokes and connecting everything

[@RodrickMarsMoon]

They did, but everyone hated it for not being/having everything you just mentioned.

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

Marvel needs to make more Rated R movies like do a action horror movie with Ghost Rider instead of a pg 13 film

[@ronaldmalfoy]

i would literally kill for other types of comics to be adapted.....seriously no more supers!

[@GnomeChomsky2007]

Totally agree on this - would love you to make a follow up and discuss the alternative - have PG family friendly content yes, but also Logan, Joker, Star Wars Visions etc. The devotion to a single cinematic universe worked for Marvel but cuts out so much incredible creative potential (i.e. Edgar Wright and Antman). In my mind Werewolf By Night was a rare exception - weird, singular, and delightful. The impenetrability of canon seems to be a ubiquitous problem for so many nerd IP's - comics, Star Trek, now Star Wars and the MCU - these companies have to find an easy on ramp for casual and new fans.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

After what they did to Hulk and Thor I'm not looking forward to see what they'll do with the X-Men

[@benwasserman8223]

You mean make people give a damn about them as characters?

[@farhadarian2]

@@benwasserman8223people already cared before they turned them into goofy jokes

[@benwasserman8223]

@@farhadarian2 No trust me Thor was no one’s favorite MCU character until Ragnarok. So him embracing comedy - even if L&T overreached - was what endeared him to the mainstream.

[@vineetdesai6396]

​@@benwasserman8223after Thor Mid and Blunder and Shit hulk. No one cares about either.

[@farhadarian2]

@@benwasserman8223 Not really it’s just that Thor The Dark World wasn’t great, people liked him already in the Avengers movies

[@NighttimeNubbs]

One part why I fell out with MCU is besides the forced connection between every movie was I didn't feel they committed to more mature theme. (I off ramped at Endgame and skipped a few movies). Like Civil War did a terrible job showing both view points and just made Iron Man look entirely in the wrong. The inciting incident with Scarlet Witch was if she didn't do what she did more people would've died. Would've made more sense to have hulk go on a rampage that lead to innocent deaths thus justifying "who will keep in Avengers in line?" but can't do anything like that because toy sales. Really didn't seem like they're allowed to have any hero in too dark of light.

[@rosecity_chris]

I want the Russos to run everything. They have love and knowledge of the source material, while also having a good grasp on realism and cool factor. Also, being this deep in the mcu and not having an R rated marvel knights series or offshoot is crazy.

[@_grumpytoad]

Couldn't agree with you more! Sadly, as long as Marvel movies keep making profit, there will be 0 incentive for the producers to change anything significant about the formula that is making them money. I think for now, all we can do is watch for writers and directors who, while having to work within that formula, can still put enough of their own spin on it to make it fresh and interesting like Taika Waititi's Thor: Ragnarok and Nia DeCosta's Marvels.

[@wstine79]

Kevin Fiege is a living example of "You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain."

[@tobiaslawrence8928]

I think that's the fault of Disney. Not kevin

[@jackielogan9104]

@@tobiaslawrence8928 it's his fking fault too

[@tobiaslawrence8928]

@@jackielogan9104 not really.

[@CamJames]

yeah it is. he called the shots.@@tobiaslawrence8928

[@somenolifeloser.7752]

​@@tobiaslawrence8928It's both.

[@alexanderpabon2933]

As a producer Kevin Feige outdid himself during phases 1-3 by finding talent that was capable of bringing his vision to life. However, during phases 4-5 the old talent left so Feige had to find new talent. This is why there has been dips in quality because Feige is still trying to find people can fill the shoes of those who proceeded them. But from what has been reported by the press, it seems like this new talent is constantly clashing with Feige and comprises have to be made to appease them. They either can't or won't work within the current scope of the MCU and that needs to change. Until Feige is able to find directors and writers that can work with him, we're going to be in for a bumpy ride.

[@mr.sand7899]

I think people are ready for something darker than the MCU is giving us

[@furiousstyles08]

That's what the DCEU is for.

[@shardsoftime0952]

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[@MikhailKutzow]

Something that stands out to me is just how the number of Marvel films being released has increased over the years. Phase one averaged 1.2 films a year. Phase two had 2 films a year. Phase three averaged 2.75 films a year. Phase four averaged 3.5. And that's not counting the TV shows also happening now. Marvel has oversaturated its own market. Which when the movies already are suffering from a bit of stylistic stagnation that even seeps into movies and shows that should be more different... Becomes a problem.

[@LeonardoKlotz]

They need elswehere worlds Like DC does

[@trevturp6891]

They also need to fire Kevin Fuck.

[@LTRand]

The early movies all had a different feel. Now there is a sameness between characters.

[@analidiatomaz5462]

"Evil cannot create anything new they can only corrupt and ruin good forces have invented or made" - JRR Tolkien

[@Fantallana]

This just sound like it’s crapping on the idea of adaptation, which I doubt was Tolkien’s intention. I’m pretty sure he understood all art comes from taking inspiration from other places. He himself drew from ancient lore to creat Middle Earth after all. ….or is this a weirdo “anti-woke” thing

[@ShadowSonic2]

Tolkien never said that. Oh and if the source material is flawed and outdated then it gets updated in adaptation, easy

[@thehermitman822]

Quantity over quality is just coming to the fore.

[@barney7822]

During the Infinity Saga, we had to endure the worst movies, because we thought they were gonna be relevant Now watching anything from the MCU became a chore we no longer want to endure

[@benwasserman8223]

Speak for yourself. I’m still enjoying most of the films and shows.

[@RetroBacon1]

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[@krod91100]

Oh man! This is gonna be a banger of a video!! 👀

[@HistorySkate]

How many times can you make the same “mcu sucks now” video

[@camm8642]

as long and as much as they keep sucking

[@mikeheckman7882]

I definitely think the MCU could use a year or two off in order to regroup and come up with a better vision going forward, because something has to change.

[@goldendonut5619]

Absolutely not. There is no one I'd rather have leading Marvel than Kevin Feige(except me I'd love to do it lol).

[@zombierepublican]

This is a wild take I must say. The only reason for the decline in quality is Fiege being stretched to thin. This take might be true if they had less content AND the quality was dipping.