Item Management in Star Citizen is Getting Flipped on Its Head (React & Analysis)

Cargo Hauling is seeing a big change in Star Citizen in 3.23, but overall the game will be shifting quite a bit for players as all-encompassing inventories go away, and physicalized management takes over.
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[@BestShifty]

My biggest takeaway from this episode is that item banks will drastically change the game. We will no longer be able to open our local inventory and pull stuff out at our own convenience but be required to seek out an item bank instead. I just hope they have enough of those stationed everywhere otherwise organizing large player groups just got a lot harder when people need to wait in line to access their inventory on one of those item banks. Also the personal hangars will be able to spawn vehicles on the ship plattform so there is a situational workaround for not being able to call vehicles on the cargo elevators in 3.23. However as far as I understood it, this will only be possible in personal hangars and not in generic instanced hangars.

[@Traumglanz]

But your stuff in boxes and ignore the cargo banks mostly, outside of creating packages to later grab. That seems to long-term goal with inventory management really. Have your ship with guns, armors, food, etc loaded and ready to go. Jump into the ships lock and loaded and be instantly ready for group action. Or be in a group of messy people who will talk about be ready in 10 minutes just to search for silly stuff in their inventory and stores for an hour before logging out. But that is no change to most mmos ever. ;-)

[@velocitymg]

I hope the ground vehicles spawning on the ship platform is temporary, will be annoying to have to call and move multiple vehicles off a platform in order to select and call a ship, unless you leave the vehicles in the hangar of course. I wish also you could call multiple ground vehicles and not just one at a time.

[@UnderdogSMO]

people use to get mad at me when I said this was the direction CIG plans to go

[@brianmalone3166]

Oh man, no more opening local inventory from a hovering ship 12 km away ... Ugh, imagine having to actually land the ship just to grab a Cruz.

[@Zombiesmoker]

this is an really good thing......@@brianmalone3166

[@josephhighfill4371]

The ship terminal in the personal hangar is at the home location. So if you don't have a hangar at the location the space port terminals would still be used.

[@JoseJimenez-fc6pu]

My question with these instanced hangars is: Can a player just fly into your personal hangar as the doors open, and can you use weapons in your personal hangar to rid yourself of this intruder?🤔

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

Oooo that's a good question!

[@user-ky8je2qj3z]

These questions were asked in 2014.

[@TheGlassSword]

It’s probably gonna be the same “you are blocking an access flight bay please vacate the area” and then they impound you and kick you out most likely for now anyway until NPCs and law systems are in place

[@tibitzu365]

I'd say no if it's instanced

[@misstressscarlet]

Your personal home hanger is your home. You can put things in it lay them all over etc. Statioon hangers are still instanced but you won't be able to decorate or leave things, once you put your ship away the instance is removed and deleted. The game creates a new instance when you get your out.

[@ADeadFurby]

32:35 branded ship skins... imagine if they add them to every ship that exists... a covalex freelancer skin... a red wind constellation skin... a unified nomad skin... etc

[@lordswift]

Just this alone is game changing. Everything else thats coming with 3.23 is insane. Going to feel like a brand new game. We just need good servers.

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

Seriously!

[@MrUnbekabal]

more screens to work with YAY but why is there only ONE screen at ND on Lorville?!?!?

[@lestrike2707]

I am a non cargo hauler and I think this is a good change! It would be nice however if the personal hangars would be a little outside of the actual spaceport.

[@justicebrown1077]

I really really really hope they add one of those item banks to the hangar so we dont have to wait in line while prepping for a contract

[@fajarn7052]

Realistically, automated loading cost should be fixed amongst commodities, because at the end of the day it was moving boxes of specific SCUs which should be the same across all commodities. An added cost or time could be adjusted for volatile/sensitive commodities. So that there would be some incentive to do either manual or automated loading.

[@David-82]

I can't wait to come back after 10mins to find out the NPC that was supposed to load the ship is just standing on a chair 😂 18:45

[@findern2arm62]

Largest hanger will become temp org hangers imho

[@ledocteurgonzo]

hangers or Hangars ?

[@ph11p3540]

I expect orgs will have to choose a common spaceport so they have a chance to be close to each others hangars.

[@Black_Intellect]

One of the great side effects of so many things being added this year is that it exposes just how many so-called 'salty backers' are just commited to maintaining their negative brand regardless of what cig actually does or what features are added and how they perform in-game

[@First_Chapter]

It could be, though, that salty backers don't like what's being added.

[@Vyndiktus]

The thing I wonder about it.. How are they going to manage take off and landing clearance when the spaceport only had so many of each size of hangers. Are you going to be placed into a queue? Are you going to be stuck hovering above the spaceport waiting on landing bay to free up?

[@ADRIAAN1007]

I can only imagine the awe of seeing my corsair slowly emerging from the floor.

[@heru_ur6017]

Is that before or after the physx glitches out and everything explodes ? It is an SC elevator after all.

[@MrKjottboller]

The elevator gods will not allow you any satisfaction.

[@Ogata123]

Just going off my owm experiences, currently getting an org event started takes 30 minutes to 2 hours to get things going depending on the event and preparedness of the players. 30 min minimum. Thats with the current inventory system and with instantly appearing ships. Now your org members will need to line up at item banks, which depending on how they work, may take more time than the current inventory already takes to actually function. Then you have to wait for the ships to come up. Better plan for an hour+ minimum startup time for org events. Im sure by the time everything is in game, orgmates will want to “deal with” the slower players who take 20 minutes NOW to get suited up lol

[@heru_ur6017]

Servers will die before you would be ready. Its the SC way.

[@drebbnittle5470]

Just tell them be ready to at start time. If they aren’t they can get ready and catch up.

[@dicebar_]

Orange suit guy is "Mocap Jared". That's what I call him anyway, because he looks like a motion-captured Jared Huckabee.

[@Striker256]

You get one, personal persistent hangar and it is tied to your home location. Other hangars are instanced, but once you leave there is no guarantee that anything left laying around will still be there next time. That is my understanding of it.

[@fredashay]

That's how I assumed it would work, too.

[@vorpalrobot]

Probably better for the server to totally clean up that instance when you're done.

[@myconidsdream8431]

Since the hangars that aren't personal can be viewed like parking garages, the station personnel clean up any mess you leave. I assume there will be a parking fee eventually.

[@CitizenScott]

So hyped for this. Legit game-changing. Hopefully game-improving too. A lot of new things sound cool, but once we get the changes they just become part of the furniture. This one feels different with the personal hangars, ground vehicle claims, etc. Fingers crossed hard it plays out that way. 🤞

[@t-vest]

if its only home location does that mean we cannot set space stations as our hanger location? I try to avoid going to cities as much as possible. Habit from them tending to be where most bugs happen that gets me stuck either not being able to get out of the city or cannot get in.

[@D-REALM]

really cant wait to get my hands on that lisor and vense tech.

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

Lisor and Vense 2.0!

[@vagabondprime1691]

I haul/explore primarily, so this is ALL welcome news!

[@fillianplays]

Glad you guys got back up and running since the water damage.

[@citygamer028]

Seems to me that the personalised instanced hangers tech can also be used for personal apartments 🧐

[@epicfailville4091]

The best bit of information out of all of this for me is that my Spirit is getting a bigger hanger.

[@LORDProphet]

things need to start being less buggy, like EVERYTHING need to start working more bugging less.

[@Platinumsniper]

I'm primarily cargo but I have my fair share of combat ships too. And enjoy combat. I am looking forward to escaping the Janky ship outfitting app. Even if it takes longer to outfit ships. The thing I would really love to do with personal hangars, engineering, and a few other things in the near future would be to be able to set up a tuning or chop shop out of your own hangar or out of your own base/space station, and do the tuning and outfitting for other players. Sort of like the merchantman and Kraken privateer enable player merchants.

[@Pretender6]

@7:00 @Tomato, did you ever encounter the medical bed/carts at some of the docks?

[@M4cex]

Lol I was just going through your old videos to check if there's one I haven't watched yet... Thanks for this 😂

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

Lol happy to oblige!

[@gman2x]

Goodbye beam citizen o7, HELLO! kiosk citizen o7!

[@strixuss1859]

Regardless of what you focus on , pvp or cargo running or pirating etc, you will be effected by this update

[@darkdodger137]

Will hangar invasion become a thing with persistent hangars? Hangar invasion is like home invasion except it's your hangar where crooks try to bum rush you hangar entry as you enter or exit to jack everything you own.

[@mprgan613]

does it count for concept ships, as biggest ship i have is arrasstra but currently in game the bigest is probably 400i

[@unholycarnifex4794]

At 8:29, is that 3 large weapon/tool slots for inventory??

[@Nemoticon]

Jarod is usually quite goofy and silly with his comedy sketches, which I don't mind at all but not generally entertained by (though I still think he's cool and fun). However, that clip at the end with his green-screen phone skit, I genuinely pissed myself laughing. That was a BRAVE thing to do and I applaud his willingness in not taking ihmself too seriously. I hope people aren't too mean with what the project onto his phone😂

[@Crittek]

Much like how CIG has hired players on staff. They should also offer a reasonable sum to those that have created useful website tools for thing like trading, routing, interdiction, market trends, etc to become widgets. I wanna be able to wake up in game and the first thing I do is grab some coffee, hop onto my office computer and check the news and stock market. I know you can just use a tablet, phone or second monitor but more things we can do in game the better. Otherwise we’re gonna have an Escape From Tarkov situation.

[@GraphiteSC]

No more landing on the ice to quickly sell at New Babbage. :O

[@epicfailville4091]

Thank god. The amount of abandoned ships out there is insane

[@Raptorman386]

😢

[@FrozenKnight21]

Kinda wondering, doesn't our game package have a hangar size associated with it. What if we have multiple of those? And I'm all for being being able to get our ground gear back, but I was hoping for the ability to share the items, as some of us may have multiple pledges for that reason.

[@Spidder81]

I watched this yesterday. Once everything is implemented into LIVE and working as intended this is going to be awesome. My one concern is what happens if I buy a bigger ship in game, and if i change hangar sizes will everything i have placed in a small hangar automatically transfer to bigger hangar

[@AccidentalFriendlyFire]

I'm guessing that yes, you'll get moved to a bigger hangar and all your stuff will be stored first.

[@Spidder81]

@@AccidentalFriendlyFire possibly, but that is going to be a constant ballache for having decorative stuff out in a hangar

[@GraphiteSC]

@@Spidder81Makes sense though - you get a bigger apartment in real life you have to move all your furniture. Shouldn’t have to be done often, only if the biggest ship in your fleet changes.

[@MrUnbekabal]

Salty Mike had a good question. What if I buy a bigger ship in game!

[@TruthIsKey369]

UE 5.4 incoming where things looks prettier, but lacks a lot of mechanics where the StarEngine outshines any game engine old and new. Thanks CIG for making the effort to Innovate and not become stagnate like rest of the industry. GJ

[@ph11p3540]

I think orgs who wish to not spend too much time gathering up players for a multi crewed mission will have to all agree on a common starport to base themselves out of. One thing I did not care for about multi crewed missions was getting players was like herding cats. Everyone had questionable client to server connections, everyone could not get on a common server and then most players insisted on being based out of different planet locations. This new update will solve half the problems but all players in an org will have to agree on one single planet location to be based out of.

[@mracicot]

9:54 “…since you can’t interact with your inventory anymore at any given time…” WHOA!! Does this mean we lose all inventory access EXCEPT when we are at a kiosk?? If so, I can’t begin to say how flawed that is. I must not be understanding the intent here.

[@historyman9436]

I mean, thats been the intent for a while now. And the biggest flaws are mainly "i cant just access my local inventory from wherever the fuck". You will obviously still have a player inventory in the form of backpacks etc you can always access.

[@First_Chapter]

How do we get food and drinks from suit pockets and backpacks withput an inventory screen being with us, I wonder?

[@historyman9436]

@@First_Chapter As far as i understand it, the "lootscreen" is going to be the inventory, or there will still be a regular inventory, just not a local one

[@ChungSeiker1st]

So glad i own a capital ship at this point(merchantman) since loaners are Starlifter and Misc C xD, huge hangars for me

[@thefryinallofus]

They should tie the cost for automated loading services to the reputation system! It makes perfect sense. Have a stellar rep with a hauling company? Pay near-nothing or nothing for loading services! Have a bad reputation with them (some how lol) loading services could become unavailable. GAMEPLAY!!!

[@chaadlosan]

The magical bag of holding is no longer. What about ship inventory, like ship components?

[@stevewest5397]

I've only been playing a few months, and had no idea that the current inventory system was going away. I'm not a fan. I understand that it's "more realistic" to not be able to call in items from anywhere at a site, but the real world is horribly inconvenient. Make the boring stuff convenient, not realistic. Also, I'm gonna wait a week or two after release before I start leaving things laying around in my 'hang-ger'. Last I heard you still can't leave things in your ship weapon racks and expect them to be there the next time you check. Why would I trust that this won't lose all the stuff I've spend hours decorating with? However, this does get me excited for one thing: Creating a display armory. Give us some armor dummies and weapon racks and I'll go ham collecting every armor set and weapon I can to display them in my hanger.

[@droppedyogurt]

This is an absolute game changer. It's a major separation from other games. How many other games do something like this. Inventory is NEVER physicalized

[@droppedyogurt]

@@Raptorman386 they did mention that u can pay to have ur ship auto loaded.

[@MrKjottboller]

​@Raptorman386 I totally get why this is something that will seem highly unappealing to some people, but I LOVE the fact that everything will basically be physicalized. But of course, you're not forced to always have to cargo transfers manually, though, and if you're a hauler, then you'll probably be using hired NPCs to do it. And if you're just moving some armor and weapons, you'll likely just shove it in a box anyways.

[@First_Chapter]

Question is: do other games not have it because they tried but players rejected it and the game died or is CIG really doing something novel?

[@First_Chapter]

@@droppedyogurt That looks unlikely to reduce the waiting time and the video does say that ships will be locked during the loading/unloading process.

[@Black_Intellect]

I absolutely love these changes and the fact that cargo hauler like myself are finally getting some love.

[@Thee__Don]

Suit persons name? Easy.. Patchy. We see them whenever there is something new in an incoming patch. You're welcome

[@Winterx69]

And they wonder why so many people get the term "hanger" mixed up with that of a "hanger"...

[@1RedDwarf]

So what;s the difference between as you say a "hanger" and a "hanger"?

[@Winterx69]

@@1RedDwarfIs there a difference?

[@1RedDwarf]

@@Winterx69 How about a "hangar"? Different spelling, different meaning.

[@louieavi]

WE'LL SEE

[@fishbaitx]

I vote we name the characters jig in honor of jimmy co-host to and lfielong admirer of jax mccleary.

[@Matroximus]

21:43 was wild

[@ianfromspace4740]

Actually, item management was already on it's head, so technically its getting flipped on it's feet!

[@konradabel2353]

Had to rewatch a couple of times as I thought I was losing the plot, there's no inventory screen anymore? That throws up more questions than I know what to do with. How do you trade loot/gear/food with other players if you need to be at a terminal to access what might/should be on you? Presumably if we don't have personal inventories anymore, whatabout ship inventories? If you're out in the middle of nowhere on a barren planet how can you access your inventory without trekking back to civilised space? That seems a little mental to me.

[@Steelgearz88]

My guess is that there will be a locker or terminal on each ship for accessing inventory. I think a pause menu personal inventory will still be there for what you have on your person (or backpack), just no access to local inventory. Although, I am also interested in how they will handle pvp trading.

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

There is still an inventory screen, but it's being superseded in some areas, and I believe it might completely go away. There will likely be a method of trading items either by handing them to each other, through our item managers, or Mo.Trader. The idea has always been that you can't access your inventory when out and about, though. We currently cannot access any inventory when out on a planet except what's on our body.

[@s1lentw1nter]

I on the keyboard will still open the inventory screen, the only change is that you will only see / have access to what you currently are carrying in backpacks and pockets. If you want to store/retrieve items in a landing zone you will need to access the item bank.

[@First_Chapter]

@@SpaceTomatoToo How will we reach items in our suit pockets and backpack if the present inventory screen goes, though?

[@litefire01]

Will we be able to store “stolen” in our personal hanger?

[@Sludgebuster]

IF we can get inventory grouping, I will be one ecstatic Citizen

[@alexanderdooley4080]

That space suit guy is Jared. Plain and simple.

[@Tainted-Soul]

Am I the only one that is scared of elevators when they work they end up killing me when they dont well this will suck. as for the ASOP screen I think they was just showing you what it would like like if you had your ship stored and was auto unloading from the point of view you was trying to retrieve it before it was ready.

[@tibitzu365]

exciting

[@vamperic]

So far 3.23 is hit after hit for great additions for me I can't wait for the day where the Kraken is out and I just press the button in the hangar and that behemoth just rises up :D

[@Zeoran]

Vehicle spawning has a workaround, but losing pledge item recovery, especially after more than a YEAR of waiting, is a big deal.

[@David-82]

So I have to hire 9 tails to load my Slam now?

[@gaming8896]

The michelan man

[@maxzoaltv4092]

My arms should be hurt using too much the multtool tractor beam.. dont forget stretch poeples!!

[@Lordparable]

as a merc i cant wait, I'm already hoarding weapons and armor

[@Lordparable]

yep next question@@Raptorman386

[@kratoa92]

Really hope half the ships don't bounce explode on the elevator coming up into the hangar

[@soliitudegaming7275]

Everyone acting all hyped but what happened to truly physicalized items? Seems like everything just goes into boxes now and thats the final plan... it used to be that you would be able to open the boxes physically (doors) and see the items loose inside or tied down inside, walk up to them, and physically grab them. Now its just all menus.... There was supposed to be ZERO magic inventory.

[@kweebec4489]

the item box has the same look as on Area18 as on Lorville, I don't like it

[@MacheteJake]

Gonna snap ur pause button

[@kennethjensen730]

And how can we call up a ship to a party member, when they fucking cant open the doors to the hanger via asop, we as owner have to call in all the time even tho we are in party, stupid..

[@VFW-Mayer]

I wonder how big the Merchantman / Idris hangars will be?

[@tripphazzard6679]

I would hope the radioactive missions are just get this out of here kind of thing. Then after I go a certain distance away I can get paid, turn around, and drop off the boxes from where I loaded them.

[@Haegemon]

All Hangars are persistent but also public. Seems logical to keep stuff in our home hangar, and perhaps they will sell extra hangars and habitats instead of ships for those who want to have that luxury, when the galaxy becomes too large to move across it in a single session

[@sanctred]

Is BMM going to fit in a hangar?

[@kennethjensen730]

It just makes No sense, Who the hell gonna manuel loading a C2 lol, i dont get this system, 98% of all players will choose auto loading. Tedious and dumb gameplay. I think the persistant hanger should just act as a place holder for a home, until basebuilding comes in.

[@ShadowGirl-]

Really really disappointed that were not getting pledge item reclaim yet!! We need this feature!!

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

It's bummer, hopefully in 3.23.1 or .2!

[@vamperic]

Most unimportant thing

[@Goaturbo]

​@@vamperic You don't think being able to recover stuff that costs IRL money is important?

[@alexanderdooley4080]

Rather have repair, hacking, science, refining, bases, new qt systems, and all the ship updates and ships missing.

[@vamperic]

@@Goaturbo Selling armor/weapons in a full loot drop game is and always has been a fucking stupid idea, so yeah it's far less unimportant and people that want to avoid a core game mechanic of gear loss can wait longer

[@fffx2]

Hopefully pledge item recovery never happens and both the item and ship store shut down. I want SC to be a game.

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

That's how the game is funded?

[@MaLcH10R]

It wouldn't be a game for very long without money.

[@THEDARKILLERS46]

Eknomy

[@First_Chapter]

@@SpaceTomatoToo It will have to for CIG to protect itself as laws on virtual property continue to expand in geography and reach.

[@ChadLetourneaurhavoc]

Glad to see an objective look at the new features, Unlike that CRYBABY mike all he does is cry about an alpha and the point of alpha is shit does not work right yet but he cries and cries about BS. I've invested a fair amount of RL cash, i complain some times out of frustration, but he is over the top. You sir, your outlook and questioning the future out look rather than crying every video is refreashing. Thank you Sir keep up the great work.

[@TheJack4000111]

The hype train intensifies !!!