IV8888 | Eric & Chad Face Off | Force on Force Training

[@saltycastform2932]

Up next our main event! Travis Haley vs Daddy garand thumb! (With cover and gear of their choice I would totally want this to be a t.v show like UFC but with gun fighters)

[@Doggonit]

Nah, I'd put both of them against Lucas Botkin. That squirrelly kid will be tough to shoot.

[@wesleyjohnston2613]

As much as I love Flannel Daddy, and my body is his only, I think Mr Haley would slay him... but yes, this has to happen. I wanna see Haley vs Lovell tbh. Or even a threesome...

[@timothymorris3730]

Make this happen!

[@JoshBenware]

Haley would destroy him. Garand cant toggle the speed control in real life, lol

[@jlac2box]

Hmmm...interesting .

[@Mrgunsngear]

great points as always

[@slimpickens0000]

Not sure if Hammer to the forward assist is covered in the Daniel Defense warranty..

[@VIPK9]

from what i've seen on arf.com it seems like they cover everything lol

[@ncshpfox]

Awesome stuff. The biggest thing I noticed is that neither one ever got off the X. They just moved in a line. Moving left or right can make a lot of difference. That’s why force on force is so great. It shows you what you will do under stress. And where you can improve.

[@sohum63]

J Fox was going to mention this to. As much as it is pushed by every KZbin instructor it was interesting to see them either planted or moving forward or back. Never had a chance to see the typical sidestep/draw that everyone pushes. Be cool to hear Johns take on this as well.

[@CuncleMike]

@@sohum63 I wouldnt be surprised if John kept them linear due to his presence and the presence of the camera or other off camera assets

[@mjkeat]

Or because they don't understand the purpose for movement?

[@HonduDan]

@@CuncleMike yeah but you still have elevation change and angles. Bob around a little bit. Any movement, I'd imagine, is good right? I'm not an expert, just my thoughts.

[@Mini-TOutdoorsMedia]

John did a video about this a while back. He said its pointless. Its very easy to adjust your aim to follow a target moving a few feet to the side. Stop Stepping Offline - kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXWqnn6Hrpp2rNE

[@chuckclark6162]

Muzzle awareness also goes in the potty as soon as stress sets in. It's not your fault Eric. "Reversing the barrel twist" now that's funny!

[@rockincsm0142]

This video was a humbling reality check for me. Great video man!!!

[@mobrien7211]

Mike Tyson's law "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth" Edit: I stand corrected

[@ShooterMedic1818]

In the mouth *

[@JoshBenware]

The most misquoted saying of all times! 🤣

[@wardroland270]

What was the quote that was misquoted? : (

[@JoshBenware]

@@wardroland270 I didnt see it til after it was edited, but usually people say "punched in the face".

[@wardroland270]

Oh. Ok. Thanks Josh. : )

[@TacticalCastle]

This is SIIIICCKKK!!!! Been saying I wanted to train this way for a while! LOVE seeing "gun guys" do it "publicly"

[@hogwildbowhunter]

The fact is, realize in a close quarter gun fight that everyone will likely get hurt or die. UTM training looks like a real good stress training to see how you will truely react. I really enjoyed the reviews and the honestly of everyone. I love the WPS content variations!

[@SuspiciousGanymede]

Oh shit i just applied and got accepted to sdi! Starting at the end of april wish me luck. Love all the plugs john!

[@TimberwolfCY]

Thanks so much to all three of you putting yourselves out there like that and letting everyone learn, quite literally and figuratively, at your expense. You guys hit every nail on the head; there is so much to learn from these 18 minutes of video. Thanks again for everything you guys have done and continue to do for the community!

[@chiefro7]

This is absolutely the realest, most thought provoking, informationally sound and relative video to concealed carriers that everyone carrying a gun MUST SEE AND PRACTICE! I’m so glad I came across this! Some people play ball or go to the gym a couple times a week but this... this is definitely becoming an integral part of my weekly routine!

[@matthewshannon6946]

Man, John- Really, really eye opening demonstration. I shot "action pistol" at a range in Bristol Wisconsin a looong time ago. I remember what a revelation it was to realise you shoot, shoot, shoot the pepper poppers rather than shoot/check for effect/ shoot etc... Such a simple lesson but really amazing to an amateur like myself. This video struck me as the same type of revealing demonstration- so much that I would never have thought of myself without actually doing the exercise myself. Thanks to all three of you for the time and effort spent to bring this to us!

[@paststeve1]

Perhaps, if not THE best video I have seen about what happens under stress. I think I would move back and to the side. I will have to train more at that. Thanks WPS and 8888.

[@dianamaera]

Well, I'm slowly working my way through past videos towards the present. LOVE IT!!!!!

[@kevinjung5539]

This has me thinking, I need more training. You can see the nice guy tactics from Chad vs hillbilly rage from Erik. Much Love to all 3 of you! Made my day! Thanks brothers!

[@AlphaRomeoOneFive]

To reverse the barrel twist you have to shoot the gun backwards, duh! I thought everyone knew that already!!

[@ewetho]

@Mid-day_ Light I think that was called sarcasm.....

[@erikvaldur3334]

There is another way, kind of. if you just stand at the other end of the barrel when you shoot it will have the appearance of spinning backwards. easiest and cheapest way to fake a reverse twist barrel but you can only do it one time.

[@adamdean4363]

Dont you just put the barrell in backwards

[@7curiogeo]

Thank you Eric and Chad and John for showing this. Awsome learning.

[@sttvoyager1727]

Love this. It’s one of the most useful videos I’ve seen in years. Thank you sir! Doc david

[@Brayden-P]

Hands down my favorite intro I've seen. Way to go John!

[@0407luke]

I don’t understand how anyone can watch videos like this and still try to justify not carrying one in the pipe for self-defence.

[@0407luke]

Papi Maximus Yes I think WP understood that. Did you even watch the video? Attacks happen within range.

[@donpowell9281]

@@papimaximus95 Unless that's the fight they bring to you. then, you do it or you die. One time you might have the opportunity to ready yourself, the next time your signal to begin making ready is them blindsiding you. One in the chamber, no safety. Always.

[@0407luke]

Don Powell Why are you arguing with me when you agree with me?

[@donpowell9281]

@@0407luke I edited my post to fix it as soon as it posted and I saw what it'd done - guessing you got a notification for my initial post but not the edit. Sorry for the confusion.

[@0407luke]

Papi Maximus ... yes it is.

[@markmathews1640]

Eric should be a janitor based on how much sweeping he does 😂

[@joshcantrell135]

Holy crap thank you for the insight, that just proves we don’t know what we think we know and I need a lot more training

[@Mockturtlesoup1]

lol. "I'm reversing the barrel twist." that one got me.

[@Paul-up3pb]

Thank you 👍. The only way to reverse barrel twist is to be shooting in Southern Hemisphere (the whole coriolis force thing ...). I learned that at the Acme Gunsmithing School. My teacher was the legendary Wile E. Coyote. 😉

[@whowantstogetgoodido]

I don't think thats how the coriolis effect works 😂

[@Paul-up3pb]

whowantstogetgoodido I was just sharing what Professor Coyote taught me. 😉

[@er98ah]

So true. As an ex boxer I remember guys coming in the gym like tough guys , but when it came to sparring these tough guys were clueless and didn’t know how to handle themselves. Getting dominated by guys half their weight was more than they could handle. Most of the tough guys never came back, and the humble fighters learned and got better

[@PathfinderGregg]

Great commerical at the beginning. Good video. Thanks to Warrier Poet and Iraq8888.

[@fredely1972]

so much to learn from such a simple drill. It brings reality to life!!! real life scenario !!! I love when 2 gun channels get together. All 3 are great guys.

[@robjberman]

Fantastic content as always! Fascinating to see Eric fire off 8 shots on the one bout. Really makes me consider mag capacity, especially living in country where only one firearm can be licensed for self defense. In South Africa, it is very common to have 3 - 8 attackers most of them armed. Single stack sub compacts won't get one too far if the evidence in this video is to go by...

[@ianthomas3653]

That is the quietest I have ever seen Chad. I have to say it takes some guts to do this get lit up and put it out there for every keyboard warrior to see and tell you what you did wrong. Good on both of you for doing better than most would have done.

[@gattac900]

I am glad you guys joined up like this!

[@chrispesta5433]

Kind of a deadliest warrior in reality hell yeah need more of this

[@geraldsmith8878]

That is the best real world, close quarter, training I seen since my mil days... great job. At that time, we were taught to first control the enemies weapon, then nutruelize. More like number 1. That said... Situational awareness should help not get into that sort of position..... distance is life.

[@Price1993_]

Crazy, I have the bell ticked to be notified. And I didn’t even know this video was posted till now 😱

[@kevinroberts9580]

In the last run through, Eric shot him twice before Chad got his gun up

[@geesea6455]

Awesome!!! Not enough of this training on inet. This is so vital.

[@dallasfortworthfoundationr8215]

I remember bb gun wars. 1st rule, no shooting above the shoulders. We start shooting and within seconds one of my friends starts yelling, stop, you broke my glasses, lol...

[@billterry967]

That's when being a kid was fun now if kids played like we did they would be arrested and charged with terrorism lol

[@callmecamo2]

Yes! Red Ryders ftw!

[@dankdark974]

once shot my friend in the forehead in a cowboy airsoft duel. You could say im qualified.

[@shanek6582]

Dallas Fort Worth Foundation Repair we had slingshot wars, I remember shooting a flat rock at a spot that I assumed the kid was going to be when he kept juking from behind a tree, the millisecond after I released he jumped out and I hit him I’m the stomach, we all had been hit but this kid started screaming like I killed him, we all got in trouble.

[@dallasfortworthfoundationr8215]

@@shanek6582 we grew uo in good times, not the same now. And most of us turned out all right. Fun times.

[@abnr1983]

This was definitely an eye opener for me! Great content, John.

[@GaveMeGrace1]

Thank you all for putting yourselves on the line for us to learn.

[@MajesticDemonLord]

That intro needed a Warning Label: "May contain cruelty to Small Arms"

[@EdwardZhou_TJOL56]

Interesting to see how faster Eric is w/ 4 o clock than chad w/ appendix

[@bushwacker2048]

Yes! Crazy! I was really surprised, you always hear claims about how fast appendix is supposed to be, so much for that

[@tackytrooper]

@@bushwacker2048 It's also a lot more forgiving than appendix if your trigger finger awareness goes to shit and you bump the trigger prematurely...

[@champy1210]

Individual skill. All things being equal, AIWB will always be faster.

[@000Bob000jones000]

@@champy1210 Yes (it is individual skill) and maybe (AIWB might be faster). With experience drawing from an OWB holster, anything in the same position will be faster. I've never seen (nor do I ever expect to see) someone with the same amount of experience with each test this. You could argue that AIWB would be faster based on hand position, but then that changes based on the situation and person.

[@champy1210]

000Bob000jones000 Considering biomechanics, clearing garment(s), angle of dominant hand to holstered pistol during draw, maybe even distance of presentation based on location of holster (?), the AIWB will beat any other IWB set-up in speed. (This is assuming the shooter’s body type agrees with the holster set-up.) OWB concealed with outer garment-I’d still go AIWB. Interesting comparison, no doubt. I’m sure there are some quality comparison videos out there.

[@kryogenik2073]

Love seeing these videos with Eric and Chad.

[@ANIMOUS8]

I hope Eric's biggest take away is his need to work on his muzzle awareness.

[@kylebales5329]

That was an excellent idea for a video and great points. As others have commented, it would def kick ass to see some other guntubers square off in this scenario. Fun stuff!

[@clintpuddister7257]

Haha . I just bought a model 29 44 magnum . when i was inspecting it i told the range officer " hey this gun will have no accuracy , its austrailian the rifling is backwards " and he fell for it. Anyway you guys are a great fit . always watched both of you and use warrior poet methods while i train and share johns videos with my son in basic training.

[@blulight1170]

Hey G.I. Excellent, just outstanding.

[@michaelragains4938]

Such a GREAT VIDEO!! It is very humbling to see what could happen if such danger affronts you. It would be so nice to have this training but most could never afford it.

[@johnnywishbone932]

All good stuff. Great video. Awesome instructor!!!

[@tacticalpacificislanders6242]

AWESOME VIDEO, I WAS THOUGHT TO SHOT FROM THE HIP THEN PUSH OUT AS IM PUTTING SHOTS ON TARGET BACKING UP MAKING DISTANCE BETWEEN ME & THREAT..LUV THE CHANNEL

[@gavinmasterson7843]

Man, you’ve gotten pretty good at writing skits and putting it all together!! Hahah very funny

[@MrCarpediempilot]

Wow. That’s insightful. Thank you. I need to get some training!

[@pinkeye00]

How does this not have 1M views .... what a great video.

[@1DavidMarshall]

Would love to see more of this with the three of you guys. Good job boys bringing the real life scenarios.

[@MAXimumEffort44]

Anyone who has trained in any kind of fighting knows hitting the bag and mitts is a hell of a lot different than having someone trying to hit you back. First thing I thought was “damn that looks tough”. I wanna do this so bad

[@backdoor5993]

That was truly an excellent training video, thank you! SemperFi!

[@we7438]

Excellent lesson, Amigo. A lot of good points.

[@toy1der]

I watch both of these channels. Cool to see you together. Good content

[@kenhelmers2603]

This was great guys! Thanks for doing and sharing this with us!

[@robertwilson22]

Excellent video my friend! Both educational and informative regarding situational awareness and what your body does when the "lizard brain" kicks in. Might I also recommend teaching lateral movement when opening distance. In all instances, they both moved pretty much linearly either towards or away from each other. Sideways movement forces attacker to adjust aim, and in many cases the better marksman will win with that. Just the way we trained as well. Thanks again and keep the vids coming.

[@MrWeirdoh]

I dont want to be cocky, but erics muzzle awareness is really poor, i did not expect that

[@DeCavalcante]

Some of his videos with real guns hes the same way.

[@jatbatman]

@@DeCavalcante I believe these are real guns with a modification kit to allow them to shoot simunitions. To learn more about this kind of thing, I suggest watching first person defender. They have some great videos that are worth watching anyway.

[@DeCavalcante]

@@jatbatman that's cool. I thought it was just airsoft

[@jatbatman]

@@DeCavalcante yeah. It's like paintball with real guns. They use marker cartridges. It's still got a potential danger to it which is why he's got the rule of no touching each other. At a few feet they're pretty safe, but will leave welts.

[@joshcantrell135]

Hans Dampf stress does crazy thangs to a man

[@jwxx305]

Just took Craig Douglas’ ECQC class, love the sim rounds, best training a civilian defender can get involved in, glad to see you are doing it too

[@mericarc8700]

I don't know why but I truly enjoyed watching this, way more then I thought I would. It had to be the all the guys that were involved that made it more entertaining then it should of been. John's commentary though..lol

[@kevinrowley3039]

What a great video! Enjoyed this one immensely.

[@Local_Laydee]

Best video yet. Informative and Incredibly entertaining as well!!

[@samueldanealexander180]

Sometimes you're a hero, sometimes you're a zero. Don't hate, participate!

[@7curiogeo]

Wow now there is some real practise. Real training. Really the debrief was learning more then the training.

[@donniejoy4469]

this is very sobering.. deffinately something to make you think!! good vid guys

[@benthaire5005]

I love this video! Thank you John.

[@sbroccoli3942]

Great awesome video!! What a great way to train!!!! Love to see more of these videos and more ways to be better at this.

[@mikethomas5412]

Excellent information. Thanks guys!

[@koozie83]

WP, your intros are on point, not to mention the content. Keep on keepin on!

[@FreedomandBaconHomestead]

I love the ad! Awesome as always.

[@trailertrashtactics]

Wow... he was reversing the barrel twist and STILL HELD IT RIGHT HANDED.

[@UnendingGrimness]

This is glorious! lol. Such an awesome way to train. I hope this evolves! Great videos as always

[@johndeotte3229]

John, love your videos.

[@WarriorPoetSociety]

Thanks!!

[@clarkrp1960]

Awesome job guys. Real life is so much different.

[@hyper_t47]

Wow, Great video. Really makes you evaluate what one might do in the situation.

[@robertfoote3255]

😃😃😃😃 Hanging out with Eric and Chad = Awesome! 😁

[@ponthis1]

This just made me rethink my training regiment. I need force on Force training

[@e.l.robbins5614]

That's some great video. Movement not just away from your threat, but away and to the left or right while shooting is important, so your not as likely to get hit and it improves your shooting angle to get to the body of your attacker. Damn that looks like painful fun. Lol

[@ollieger640]

This takes gun gripes to a whole new level...

[@brylovesny1632]

Lmao well that intro definitely topped it this week lol 😂

[@rben1624]

I always enjoy the videos you all do together

[@mjbl3974]

What was that little kick move Eric?😉 Well done. Looked like some fun.

[@mtr014]

I lost it when he started tapping on the forward assist 😂

[@carlosfernandez1]

Very good video. I want to see more on it. Thanks for sharing.

[@cp_atving5084]

John, such a great video. Thanks for doing that. But I think i have more questions than answers now as to the best tactic to take in a fight like that to give me the best chance of surviving. The first thing, is you better carry medical because even if you win you will probably get shot.

[@ccg_533]

We used UTMs in police academy for room clearing. So much fun!

[@omicrondec]

That's some fun stress!

[@justice4053]

Great video. It really makes you think.

[@EdwardZhou_TJOL56]

IV8888, Warrior Poet, now TFB TV? This is the most ambitious crossover event.

[@jimmymsmizo5741]

Great video 👍👍👍....Eagerly waiting for more Educational videos Sir. God Bless and Protects you all 🙏🙏🙏.

[@bvbob916]

The sad thing about a real world scenario is the bad guy usually gets to go first. So, I'm moving while drawing my weapon as soon as my reactions allow me to do so. Which will most likely be shortly after I soil my underwear.

[@stoiccowboy9213]

Great training! Most people never actually get this type of training.

[@adrianholland6787]

Great video guys, good info. Thanks for posting.

[@1968CudaGuy]

The introduction I about fell out of my chair when he was hammering on the barrel.. Was like nooooooo!!!

[@thewheel2023]

No I forgot to mention to my last post this was a great video love it love it love it

[@grantprice613]

Next time, you should have Eric and Chad fight John. That'd be fun.

[@shockwavemikey64]

This needs to be a series of classes!

[@WarriorPoetSociety]

Tiny taste of my Pistol 3 class Https://warriorpoetsociety.us/training

[@shockwavemikey64]

Yes!

[@1DavidMarshall]

Excellent excellent excellent content!!!!

[@12gageshot]

This was very eye opening and educational