Jane Seymour - Third Wife Of Henry VIII Documentary

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[@lynnereyes5125]

I agree

[@katewalsh2408]

It is interesting to speculate how life would have been for all involved had Jane not died.

[@bettyrice3725]

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[@nunya2954]

I DON'T GET THE END OF THIS, DO YOU MEAN THAT HENRY NEVER SPOKE OF JANE AGAIN OR ANNE AGAIN...DAYUM

[@suzannehraban6385]

@@katewalsh2408 😮😮😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😮😢😢😢😢😮😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

[@timegirl55123]

Henry loved Jane was for 2 reasons: she gave him a son and the only one who didn't live long enough to make him really angry at her

[@whywouldiknow24]

He it was sweet but only because it was short 😅

[@lilJennmanley]

lol

[@daughteroftheblackmadonna8936]

Yup

[@doyoureadme94]

Concisely put.

[@strawberryjam119]

Absolutely only reason!

[@jazzkatt1919]

I have to kind of laugh at the debate about who Henry loved. Henry loved Henry.

[@ninaelsbethgustavsen2131]

Henry had been spoiled rotten. Never been denied anything. So naturally rather full of himself....🙄

[@louise-yo7kz]

💯🎯

[@bearhakuna514]

😂true

[@jeaniLovesAnimals]

Henry was obsessed with a son. He was a narcissist.

[@lfgifu296]

@@ninaelsbethgustavsen2131Quite literally 😭

[@Katherine_Allen]

When Henry told Jane to remember what happened to Anne, and Jane being so good and faithful, I think Henry was letting her know that Anne's execution was essentially murder by trumped up charges. A confession, if you will. Both wives had been faithful. He was telling Jane he could trump up charges against Jane too, and kill her as well.

[@irvinecompanytenantsrightsviol]

Maybe that's why she didn't reach out to her stepdaughter Elizabeth

[@erinlafave3438]

She would have ended up on the block later on. Both her brothers where executed for treason. Her one brother Thomas married Catherine Parr after Henry died.

[@HK-gm8pe]

​@@irvinecompanytenantsrightsviol but she didnt reach out to Elizabeth...actually there are even accounts of Jane speaking badly about Elizabeth...saying that Anne Boleyns daughter shouldnt be a princess

[@lindleloverwatterson3484]

​@@HK-gm8pe sources?? I've never heard of or read anything similar so I'd like to know

[@lindagillette8338]

17th yup

[@sbabe325]

Finally! A full documentary about Jane Seymour. No one ever goes into length about her.

[@JadedJassy21]

Right! They really don't!

[@verablexitasap858]

I know! They really don't. I've always been curious about more of her

[@patriciajrs46]

I, too, found it refreshing. I thought all of his wives were beheaded. He divorced Catherine of Aragon, she lived quite a long life. Jane died in childbirth, and did produce a son. I don't know if Anne of Cleaves was beheaded or not. Don't know the others either.

[@sbabe325]

@@patriciajrs46 He divorced Anne of Cleves, he had Katherine Howard beheaded and Katherine Parr survived Henry, as he died 3 or 4 years after they were married.

[@lynnereyes5125]

I agree

[@marietgagliardi]

His first wife Catherine was the wife most suited to be queen. The others were all just to give him the son he wanted. I doubt he ever really loved anyone

[@chloephillips1381]

He loved Ann Boleyn or was at least infatuated by her. He wouldn't otherwise have broken with Rome

[@chloephillips1381]

Also, if all he wanted was a son then why didn't he remain married to Anne of Cleves? He divorced her as there was no sexual chemistry or affection as there undoubtedly was with Jane Seymour and Catherine Howard. He was getting on a bit when he married Catherine Parr so he was probably wanting a companion and stepmother to his three children. But no I doubt he was ever madly in love with anyone other than the first Ann

[@marietgagliardi]

I hope my husband never expresses his love for me by chopping off my head.

[@xxxxxx5062]

​@@chloephillips1381 I completely disagree, the love he had for Anne was honestly nothing compared to what he once felt for Catherine. He did have a huge infatuation for Anne, and I agree that she was second on the list of wives he loved the most, but he was never madly in love with her. If he ever truly loved, respected and admired anyone, it was Catherine. I used to think Anne was the wife he loved the most, but then I read contemporary letters and records written by courtiers during the first half of Henry's marriage to Catherine, and then those reporting his relationship with Anne and now I'm sure it was Catherine

[@claireb2326]

@@xxxxxx5062 I completely agree with this. In tv shows and movies, Catherine and Henry's relationship is always portrayed at its end, after many years of marriage and sorrow. Every contemporary reports affirm that Henry was very much eager to marry his brother's widow, and they were deeply in love in the first years of their marriage. She was a very beautiful, charming, clever, and even politically astute (probably from her father) young girl, far from the boring and rigorous image we see portrayed. When she first arrived in England, she refused to lift her veil, and Henry VII freaked out that she must be ugly. He was enchanted when he discovered she was actually a beauty. I think from all the wives, she is the only one with who he had an almost "normal" partnership, going as far as leaving her in charge as he went to war, before his Ego inflated and his mental health clearly went south. One must note it took many, many years and many stillbirths and miscarriages to damage their bond and make him consider divorce. He was probably very attracted and infatuated with Anne, as exotic, witty and refined as she was with her french way. The problem is by that time, he was already pretty messed up. I think what started with a genuine love story turned into a cruisade to get his heir. He fell in love with her charms, but he stayed in love with the idea she would give him a legitimate son. It took only one healthy girl for him to feel like she scammed him and he made a mistake, and a couple years and 2 miscarriage for him to loathe her and wish her dead. So...

[@maureen5132]

The only women Henry ever loved was his mother Elizabeth of York. If he ever loved any of his wives it was Catherine of Aragon, the rest were only to provide him with a son. He was buried next to Jane because she was the mother of the future king.

[@thomsonsmith95]

Hello Maureen How areyou doing today?

[@TheOneNOnlyNeptuneRose]

I thought he married Catherine because he was the wife of his dead brother, who I thought was king. I think he was doing her a favor to be honest. She was good women, but in the end, he discarded her for that very same reason, because she was his brothers wife.

[@miinfl7143]

I think his feelings for Catherine is one of respect rather than romantic love. He saw her as an equal more than his other wives.

[@ray101892]

She didn't live long enough to become the villain. Her being quiet and reserved coupled with less than two years in prominence also added an aura of purity/mystery that Henry in his later years would look back fondly on. It is not unlike our fascination with stars like james dean, bruce lee and kurt cobain who died when they were at their prime.

[@EmilyGloeggler7984]

Excellent point.

[@AnnabelleCharrier]

Meh, what evidence we have suggests Jane was quite ruthless and heartless. For Anne Boleyn, she had absolutely no pity whatsoever. There's far more evidence that Katheryn Howard was a kind hearted girl (she personally and very bravely intervened on behalf of a number of prisoners) and her reign was just as brief as Jane's. Katheryn was also much younger when she died too.

[@ray101892]

@@AnnabelleCharrier Unlike anne who was executed on trumped up charges, there was evidence that katheryn committed adultery. Henry cried and probably forgot about her immediately. He didn't even hire a french executioner for her. She was probably a palate cleanser after anne of cleves. Catherine of aragon was an arranged marriage, henry broke up with the catholic church over anne and jane wasthe woman that drew henry away from anne- the woman that he fought for for over six years. Jane is catholic too. She's pretty special.

[@monicaekeyes2489]

Good point.

[@lornarettig3215]

Fully agree. Had she lived, Henry would surely have bored of her mousey ways and invented some reason to get rid of her.

[@scottandkatherinenewport3044]

It is very unfair that Anne Boleyn has gone down in history as 'The Temptress', whereas Jane Seymour has been labelled as 'The Obedient One'. Both were shrewd and calculated in their approach to become queen - namely to refrain from becoming the King's mistress and holding out for the ultimate prize of becoming Queen of England. Whereas Anne was open and clear in her aim for this prize and the displacement of her predecessor Catherine of Aragon, Jane played the innocent who was not aiming for this elevation by the displacement of Anne. Anne's Boleyn's failure to have a son led to her downfall on trumped up charges of treason, followed by her harrowing quick end. However, Jane Seymour's success in providing a son led to her success (in Henry's eye's at least), albeit soon leading to her early death days later. Anne's Boleyn's reputation has therefore gone down in history negatively, as a husband stealer, whore and adulteress, as opposed to Jane Seymour's reputation which has gone down positively as a loyal, obedient and successful wife. By re-evaluating Jane's character, we can see that the two women were in fact playing the same 'game of thrones'. Years after her death though, Anne Boleyn was successful in her legacy through her daughter, Elizabeth I, who was one of the greatest monarchs that England has known.

[@ivyrose779]

Anne didn’t want to be with Henry at first. She spent a fairly long time trying to rebuff his advances and even left court in an attempt to get away from him. She eventually developed feelings for him but it took awhile. Once Henry had chosen you, you didn’t really have a choice.

[@tsukinoyousei]

@Kat Thomas Nobody could be very dumb to survive in court....by good or evil people would like to use you as a pawn. She was a smart cookie she survive 2 queens and became one.

[@bobettepancakes]

Because Anne was the original homewrecker. Catherine of Aragon was Queen until Anne got with her husband and Jane was a close friend to Catherine so she just saw it as karma for Anne

[@Miss_AnonyMoose]

@@bobettepancakes Henry was the homewrecker! The end! Its not like she had a choice, the way he persued her ugh it was a different time ....this ain't houswives of Hampton Court Stop blaming Anne Boleyn with that childish explanation of history

[@Miss_AnonyMoose]

@@jujubees5855 child you have no concept of time...In these times there was no sisterhood as we know it, you had to obey the King your husband your family the rules of your religion and so on ....we are talking about almost 600 years ago ....get a grip

[@ArrowsOfAthena]

It is so refreshing to hear an actual account of Jane that doesn't paint her as some kind of selfless angel who advocated for absolutely everyone. It always struck me as odd that everyone pretends she was responsible for getting Elizabeth back into Henry's good graces while also pretending that Mary never showed any care for her sister.

[@nicolemeiner6903]

I think another reason people vilify Anne more than Jane is because they considered Catherine of Aragon to be Henry's true wife, and the entire time she was alive Anne was just a glorified mistress to them. Since they didn't take her seriously as queen, Jane wasn't usurping the queen like Anne did in the court of public opinion.

[@nassauguy48]

True. Also, as far as the traditional religionists were concerned, Henry was free to marry Jane, as he was a widower. He was not a widower when he married Anne.

[@dannyhuffman]

Hi Nicole hope you’re okay?

[@fanficnerdnerd6758]

Well that and Anne Boleyn was literally a child abuser. She abused her step daughter Mary and taunted her over her mother's death. People honestly glorify Anne Boleyn too much. Sure she was cunning and witty but she was just as bad a person as Henry.

[@mechengr1731]

@@fanficnerdnerd6758 where did you hear she was abusive to Mary? There's evidence that she tried to befriend Mary

[@FreeSpirit47]

King Henry was a legend in his own mind. He had Christina of Denmark in his sight, she was only 16! Henry was 20 years older & had a well-earned reputation as one who treated women very badly, executing or doing away with his wives in some other way. Christina dodged a bullet. She was wise beyond her years, knew better than to get mixed up with Henry. Her reply to his proposal: “If I had two heads, one should be at the King of England’s disposal!”

[@dannyhuffman]

Hi Brenda hope you’re okay?

[@FreeSpirit47]

@@dannyhuffman The stolen photo you're using on your YT profile isn't fooling anyone. The fake name is ridicullous, too. People have figured out the tactics of scammers, the only one you fool is yourself.

[@elegantbird8240]

TF are you talking about. 174 years later we are still talking about him. He was NOT a "Legend in his own mind". He WAS and IS AN ACTUAL LEGEND. LOL And, was Christina of Denmark "wise beyond her years", really? It seems OBVIOUS and common sense not to marry the old man with a string of dead wives and bad temper.

[@glendabarton45barton48]

Which is why I always admire the resolve Queen Elizabeth exhibited in refusing to marry for the succession. Her Daddy's treatment of Mom still in mind.

[@ghazyuwais]

Nuuyuuv

[@HistoryfortheAges]

Most folks only know her as the wife that gave him his son, nice to see a documentary giving more detail about her.

[@Laramaria2]

I think it's so weird how people think of her as stupid, when Jane seems to have been a fast learner, with an adaptable nature and a lot of self-control. Happy she's finally getting some recognition for her quiet strength 😍

[@loditx7706]

I am unaware anyone thought her stupid. She played her cards quite skillfully.

[@Laramaria2]

@@loditx7706 It used to be a common narrative, probably as one more way to show her as the opposite of Anne Boleyn, like Anne was a brunette, Jane was a blonde; Anne was outspoken, Janne was submissive;Anne was a flirt, Jane was pure; Anne was a politician, Jane was a housekeeper; Anne was witty, Jane was dumb... I don't like this at all and I think you're right about her!!

[@elluc1510]

@@Laramaria2 not at all ! It just happens to marry Jane after Ann execution no comparison here just 2 diffirent personalities. both women were inteligent !

[@einezcrespo2107]

I never thought Jane stupid but she also used Anne's playbook of holding off any affection to Henry. That deems her shrewd unless she was coached by her family. The Seymours were very ambitious. Truth is we don't know much about Jane because she lived a short life. She may have been kind to Mary but she was very indifferent to Elizabeth. That is known.

[@jeffk464]

I don't know, after what happened to the second wife it doesn't seem wise to be the third wife.

[@teresadelacanal1065]

It’s always very sad to hear the stories of these women fighting and suffering over such ugly and mean men.

[@gloryB-3]

😄

[@dannyhuffman]

Hi Teresa hope you’re okay?

[@sidoniewinterpasternak9938]

When Anne toppled Catherine she didn't realize that move made all the future queens unsteady. Also, what is charming in a mistress is often intolerable in a wife.

[@miinfl7143]

She's the perfect example of play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[@kellysharratt474]

Personally.....I feel that the women were the pawns of their families e.g. the fathers. They had to do as they were told. The only one who married Henry with no family interference was Catherine Parr and even then....who dared to refuse Henry? Xx

[@jomc6734]

Women were considered the property of their fathers, husbands or other male guardians. Only older widows had any independence.

[@ebonyloveivory]

Precisely. He was king and his word was law.💁🏻‍♀️

[@User14816]

True.

[@user-ke8st8jc1v]

Don’t feel, be sure .

[@nassauguy48]

English women were not as safe as foreign born women when Henry came a courting. The latter had the leaders of their countries behind them, the former had no one.

[@sunshinehoward9649]

still to this day, love that elizabeth took the throne after what Henry did to anne.

[@Deborah-rq9qt]

She died before his “love” died; as far as he could love, of course.

[@ariellann4555]

Anne got the last and best laugh, Elizabeth.

[@Isabella2335.]

Exactly she did !

[@EmilyGloeggler7984]

Yet Elizabeth put an end to both her mother and Dad's bloodline.

[@ariellann4555]

@@EmilyGloeggler7984 Technically the most recent Queen is a descendant of Mary Boleyn, so the bloodline is not dead.

[@lisadwyer9699]

@@EmilyGloeggler7984 I think Mary Stuart (Mary Queen if Scots) was related to Henry VIII & her son James was I of England & VI of Scotland & had lineage through that line. I find them all Interesting & mostly crazy

[@emilybarclay8831]

@@EmilyGloeggler7984 Henry’s bloodline was continued through his sisters. Their children went on to have many descendants

[@georgiaholmes5199]

Weird how she was only was the only queen to have had a queens funeral, maybe because she was the only wife to have given Henry a son.

[@BigMamaDaveX]

Henry didn't marry women. He married wombs.

[@sheila626]

Henry’s marriages to Catherine of Aragon, Anne of Cleves and Anne Boleyn were all annulled, so naturally they wouldn’t have queen’s funerals. While his marriage to Catherine Howard was never officially annulled I believe, she was still executed as a traitor - which obviously barred her from a proper funeral. Katherine Parr died as Queen dowager and wife of Thomas Seymour.

[@Isabella2335.]

@@BigMamaDaveX exactly he married wombs to carried his male heirs !

[@kate_cooper]

Well she was the only one to die as Queen. Katherine of Aragon was buried as Dowager Princess of Wales, as her first marriage was the one considered valid. Anne Boleyn and Kathryn Howard were buried in the Tower as traitors, Anne of Cleves was buried as a wealthy independent woman, and Katherine Parr was buried as the wife of Thomas Seymour.

[@georgiaholmes5199]

@@kate_cooper didn’t even think of that, I always thought it was because she gave him a son. It does make sense though, thanks for that perspective. 😊

[@cherrytomato6139]

I don't find it a least bit surprising that Jane had zero qualms about stepping over Anne and taking her position as Queen. Jane had been a staunch but quiet Catholic and always held Queen Catherine and Princess Mary in very high regard. She would have witnessed a truly horrendous mistreatment both suffered because of and by Anne Boleyn; she would not have viewed Anne as a legitimate wife and Queen. She would also regard Anne as the reason for destruction of monasteries that really was a pretty huge disaster, as many people depended on them for charity, work and solace. Psychologically it is very clear why Jane had so little compassion to Anne.

[@scoopydaniels8908]

I don't think Anne was jealous of Jane Seymour "stealing" Henry.. . I think it was fear. I think Anne was highly aware of the danger and the fact that he was willing to overthrow a queen.. And he didn't HATE Catherine.. He grew to hate Anne.. She had to keep him entranced, without consummating the relationship for YEARS, while the Church refused to give him a divorce.. Anne PROMISED him a son. As each failed pregnancy piled up, he started to hate her for causing the break with the church etc for.. Nothing.. 1 DAUGHTER ..

[@nassauguy48]

I really do not think Jane was as calculating as many people profess her to be. She was still unmarried at 27, advanced in age by Tudor standards, had no prospects before she met Henry, was known for only two pursuits, embroidery and prayer, and at one point had contemplated becoming a nun. She basically "played the game" as her family members instructed her, seeing it as a duty to them more than anything else. She certainly did not have the gumption of Anne Boleyn nor, for that matter, even the very Catholic and pious Catherine of Aragon. It could be said that Jane was a Renaissance era "Stepford wife". 😄

[@lise7538]

I do not think any of Henry's wife was better or worse than the others. They were placed in difficult positions and did what they could to survive, and judging them by today's standards is utterly ridiculous. But I do have a fondness for Jane Seymour because she is often forgotten in history as the wife who gave Henry a son, like it was her only achievement in life. When in fact she must have been at least as strong and smart as Anne Boleyn. She didn't have Anne's sharp tongue and fiery personality, but quiet femininity can be a strength too.

[@solsticebaby]

Honestly, I pity all of Henry VIII's wives and can't cast aspersions on any of them. I think they all did the best with what they had at the time. Bless them all. Catherine got a raw deal. So did Anne. So did Jane. So did Catherine Howard. Catherine Parr managed to survive him at least. Honestly Anne of Cleaves fared the best I think. It's funny how we find ourselves rooting for one of them more than the others in retrospect in a way. But really when you get right down to it I think they all just did the best they could with what they had. Whatever they were, Henry was a monster. He might not have been that way originally but certainly after his head injury his personality did not get more kind.

[@mechengr1731]

This None of them were the villain. They were women in an era where the patriarchy ruled their lives, and their lives depended on their ability to bear children. If they couldn't have children, it was never believed to be the fault of the husband, always the fault of the wife. If a king wanted you, there was really nothing they could do

[@sparkybolt2085]

​@@mechengr1731 * Male children in the case for much of human history

[@thomasmcnamara2309]

I really think Anne Bolyn tried to avoid Henry, she didn't want to be a mistress as she apparently valued her status. She left court and probably would have taken service at any other court. After Henry made clear she was his she never had a chance. Nobody would go near her, imagine how Henry would treat the man who stole his treat!

[@jadedavis822]

Henry loved her for the son ...and because she died before he grew tired of her....

[@juliannaciano1273]

This woman was no innocent. We know she was coached by Carew on how to win over Henry. She was a hell of a lot more calculated and sneaky than anyone gives this woman credit for. I gaurantee she was behind the scenes whispering all kinds of things about Queen Anne Boleyn in Henry's ears at the right moments along along Carew and Cromwell and many others. Carew later lost his head for his scheming and support of Pole.

[@sherryd3299]

She had to do what her father told her to do. Women were nothing but pawns by their male relatives.

[@8teezy]

Based on what evidence?? Why are ppl so intent on vilifying the women?

[@starkiss77]

@@8teezy Yes, people vilify people that are noble and good because of jealousy. I think JS was just introverted woman of noble birth with good manners. She was not calculated, just dutiful and being herself.

[@RikuTina1990]

Does no ONE not realize that Jane did exactly what Anne did to Catherine hell she even did some of Anne tricks. But in the end BOTH women were use by the men in there lives I believe that both women wouldn't have even given Henry the time of day had it not been for their fathers and brothers greed and ambition for power.

[@thomsonsmith95]

Hello Kristina How are you doing today?

[@montrelouisebohon-harris7023]

I agree! I believe Ann Boylen definitely wanted nothing to do with Henry because he was married and he had her sister is a mistress, and she wanted nothing to do with that whatsoever and she even left court for a year because he was bugging her. Despite him writing her letters and sending her gifts all the time it wasn’t doing anything for her and her father & uncle, who was the duke of Norfolk, push her to get with him, and she didn’t want to. Jane Seymour was all up for it, and pretty much fell head over heels for Henry instantly, but not Ann because she was independent and had a mind of her own. Henry was just super selfish and I can understand his need to have a male heir because his families dynasty was so young but even in the end, it turned out that all three of his kids were monarchs in England, and after that the Tudor Dynasty was gone

[@8teezy]

What "tricks" did Jane play exactly? Existing and being pretty? Jfc I don't know why ppl are so intent on portraying the women as pursuers and seductresses when Henry was notoriously fickle. It's like they want to take away his agency in this and make it their fault.

[@a.munroe]

I really love the mystery around Jane and I personally believe she was fine with being Henry's mistress but wanted to marry first to protect her name, she did except his other gifts that wouldnt mark her reputation. After all it was Henry that went to lengths to preserve her image, which makes sense considering the fiasco that came from being with Anne and not focusing on PR. I really believe the way we perceive her was Henry's efforts and that she and her faction were probably at least as crafty as the boleyn/howard one.

[@xxxxxx5062]

I honestly don't think she wanted to be a mistress. She didn't really have a choice once her father and brothers started pushing her towards him

[@veronicakashaka3299]

I Agree that Jane's brothers pushed her toward the throne. So isn't it ironic, that both brothers, were killed by Jane's son Edward.

[@amy43215]

I used to think she just hadn’t lived long enough to fall out of favor but since she did in fact give him the son he had wanted she may have survived him and not fallen out of favor.

[@debbylou5729]

I have a very unpopular view of Henry. His abrupt change from a happy, well loved monarch, to a tyrant is well documented. It’s was most certainly caused by the jousting accident he had. He was a large man, ‘tall and well built’. The horse would’ve crushed a smaller man. Both the horse and Henry were in full battle armor. It fell directly on top of him and he suffered severe head trauma, being unconscious for two hours. Phineas Gage, a man who worked on the early railroads, had a rod blown into his head at the cheek, exiting through the crown of his head. He changed dramatically as well. Fortunately, he wasn’t the monarch of an entire nation

[@marshavilkas3512]

Anne Boleyn may have been ambitious, but she never hid her true intentions of rising up in court and gaining more power and influence. In my opinion, Jane Seymour was quite two-faced about her true intentions. She may have given Henry a son, but the Boleyns had the last laugh. Anne Boleyn's daughter Elizabeth I became the greatest queen, and one of the greatest monarchs, of England and ruled during a Golden Age. Anne's sister, Mary Boleyn, gave birth to two children whose descendants include Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother, and thus Queen Elizabeth II and her heirs. The Boleyn bloodline continues to thrive in the House of Windsor, while Jane Seymour's son unfortunately died at a young age.

[@marlimalish938]

Not to mention both her brothers Edward and Thomas were beheaded as well

[@EmilyGloeggler7984]

Elizabeth also finally put an end to the Tudor line.

[@Nora-xk5tf]

QE.I Learned many lessons from her sister Mary's Reign. One big one surrounded a ruling Queen's marriage. Customs of Tudor society mandated a wife obey her husband, defer to all His whims, his rules. IT'S in the Bible... these Tudor super studs believed marriage to Mary and/or Elizabeth made Him defacto King, since his HRH Wife was subservient and by God's Word deemed to serve and Obey... a QUEEN ascending a Throne and ruling in Her own right was new to England. No one knew what do we call Him. QE.I her Father killed her Mother to remarry. Later, He Beheaded Wife #4. Had she choose a Nobel then people would still fracture off Into differing camps. This in a Era folks could legally kill a chum, coworker, or neighbor... Honor!!! Queen Jane S. Knew well before Anne about Henry's resolution plan to kill Ann. Jane to me is creepy.

[@AnnabelleCharrier]

Princess Diana was also descended from Anne Boleyn via her sister Mary, which I find absolutely fascinating.

[@AnnabelleCharrier]

@@Nora-xk5tf I agree Jane was a creep. Also, nobody ever talks about the "Queen Consorts Act" which Henry brought into legislation during the reign of Katheryn Howard presumably because he was so in love with her, giving her permission to "act as a woman sole" and do anything she liked without having to ask his permission. I often wonder, did poor Katharine misconstrue this to mean he'd turn a blind eye to anything, including her clandestine meetings with Tom Culpeper? She was a very kind hearted girl but not very well educated. It's possible.

[@bludiva27]

Anne Boylen and Jane Seymore are PERFECT examples of, "You lose him how you get him!" Both women played a treacherous game! Betrayed the queens they were serving. Both had an affair with the king. Both of their power hurgry families helped them scheme. Both women died Solely due to complications in trying to birth Henry a son. Anne miscarried. Jane infection. Jane only became queen because Anne was killed. (She wasn't innocent prior to or during Anne's downfall. Even contributing to Anne's miscarriage of a baby (boy)). Yet Jane, too, essentially "lost him/Henry" in death to her bearing his son. "You lose him how you get him!"

[@dazeyday5699]

Tosh! I don't agree with how much blame your comment places on these two queens, or your quote about "losing your man". None of Henry's six wives hold the same culpability he did for their various unfortunate outcomes. Life wasn't "a game" for English women of pre-Renaissance times, although arguably all court politics in those eras have qualities of a blood sport. You've watched too many modern interpretations on tv. Women/girls' lives were basically dictated by their male keepers, and they had very little agency beyond what they could muster by use of their "feminine wiles", something men of all eras seem to complain of and resent while at the same time as enjoying the benefits thereof. Additionally, people of both sexes in the late Middle Ages had strong religious codes that ,although warped in so many ways, and unequally skewed to favor men- and royal men in particular- often informed people's every decision and undertaking. No doubt both Anne and Jane thought they were doing god's work in some way, shape and form, each according to their respective upbringings. Losing the unpleasant philandering Henry as a husband was probably just an afterthought compared to losing the influence of their natal families, their religious affiliations and what they undoubtedly saw as their high calling by God to duty. If Henry (God's annointed) and the men in power around him asserted that the previous wives were illegitimate or even evil, who were they to argue with God? If they lost their privileges or even lives in the process, so be it- life was short and cheap when heaven awaited (see Anne Bolelyn's execution speech). Jane's childbirth death was in no way related to her position as Henry's third wife as she was reportedly in good health and prime child-bearing years, so that is a result of medieval medical deficiencies and chance that could have happened to her with any husband, and that argument is not well made. Again, Jane, if asked, would have undoubtedly considered it god's divine will for her and by the sounds of her final sufferings, a happy release, very much a common outcome for those times. What you are basing the accusation that Jane contributed to Anne's miscarriage on is beyond me, but that in itself sounds like a pretty medieval notion for a modern human to hold. People don't cause other people to miscarry, nor does "stress". All in all, as human beings Jane, Anne and Henry's other wives had human flaws and foibles, but none of them deserved their villification (or over-glorification either) in history. As medieval women, they were each admirable and pitiable at the same time.

[@bludiva27]

@dazeyday5699 Actually haven't watched many modern day interpretations at all. But I have read books, watched several documentaries, and even gone to London to learn about Tudor history in person. So please don't make assumptions. If you read my comment, you saw that I said that their families played a role. But these women could have said "no." He was the king, but they made choices as well. They paid dearly for their poor choices.

[@dashaa6174]

Pretty sure you couldnt just say no to the king. He was the king after all, you had to obey him​@@bludiva27

[@conniecondra4535]

I don't think that Jane Seymour was as pure as most historians present her. She was "groomed" by her family to act in a way that would attract Henry's attention. The Seymours were intent on seeing Anne B disgraced and deposed. She is held up as a saint because she bore the son--and died in the process. She knew what she was doing and learned well the lesson of being "hard to get."

[@yvonneanitakramer7536]

Perfect Documention! ❤️ Everytime he says 'Jane' you have to take a shot 🍾🥂🍸🍹

[@Thelma158]

Finally a documentary about Jane alone. She's always fascinated me ever since I was a preteen.

[@chantallamb8652]

This is the best video of her and i love that her strenght and life stories are being told in more depth. I love falling asleep to historical stories and really enjoy all the information in this video and the sound of the narrator voice too is so soothing ❤

[@jillstewart785]

I loved listening to the narration. So beautiful and articulate.

[@jeffreymontgomery4091]

Wow! As others have said, thank you so very much for this upload. I have become quite a fan of Tudor History and this in my opinion is the BEST documentary I have watched on Jane Seymour! Please many more like this! 👍 Oh and about Henry... I find it ever increasingly difficult to discern exactly WHAT someone was THINKING or FEELING based upon actions and other's (contemporaries) accounts as time marches on. Is looking back some 450-500 years through the colored lense of our own time in history an accurate portrait of what REALLY happened? Are people back in their time just as much people of our own? I do think that there are some universal TRUTHS that bind all people together regardless of what time period they hail from, however it is also my belief that it is the DEGREE to which these TRUTHS are held that can either bind or separate our understanding of others from our own time or any other for that matter... Was the PRESSURE that Henry felt to produce a male heir to continue the line of succession, anything that an AVERAGE 21st century person is capable of understanding? Was his LOVE for these women/wives in direct conflict with what his ULTIMATE goal was? I think very much so and like I said, can people of the 21st century truly understand what kind of conflict this must have wrought and ultimately understand why things played out the way they did? Again thank you for this wonderful production/upload!

[@irvinecompanytenantsrightsviol]

Henry was an all - around asshole. NOT just a bad husband who longed for a male heir. He was cruel and malevolent. If he were simply desperate for a son, he would not have the abysmal reputation he rightfully earned

[@gillianbrookwell1678]

Jane Seymour may well have kind, sweet, demure and innocent, but she was quick to step into Anne Boleyn's shoes.

[@valkyriesardo278]

I think it most likely that Henry initiated the romance with Jane. Members of the court observed that interest and coached Jane to serve their own ends. Henry was increasingly desperate for a male heir. Anne failed to change her tune from fiery mistress to docile wife. Jane's placid demeanor made her more appealing to Henry as a wife. Plus, she would make far less trouble to dispose of should she fail to give him a son.

[@dazeyday5699]

This!

[@mathonamoore123]

I was genuinely delighted to see this here. It is not easy to find anything about Jane Seymour. Thank you for uploading this. Greetings from Ireland, the 20th of April 2022. 🇮🇪❤️🌹

[@anasantiago5249]

I got engaged that day! April 20, 2022! What a coincidence

[@BigMamaDaveX]

👍🏻 Really enjoying this series! Loving all things Tudor. It's content like this, that makes me glad I SUBBED! 😉

[@TheCandiceWang]

I miss the show open you guys had with that beautiful score. What happened to it? I think it's a great reminder and even nostalgic show opening were we to watch these years later :) just an idea, to put it back on. I'm watching some of the older videos and it's soooooooooo refreshing for me to watch/hear :)

[@piaka56]

I love this channel so much. Great work!❤

[@curveappeal8180]

Finally!! Waited all day for this…..and officially reached a new level of my 30s 😂

[@pottainthoes5334]

Oof, I’m 22 and a bit concerned for myself now.💀

[@curveappeal8180]

@@pottainthoes5334 I enjoyed good docus at 22 as well! 😁

[@MrAdrianandy4]

@@pottainthoes5334 same

[@S0nyToprano]

What an outstanding documentary! Fantastic work!

[@lornarettig3215]

So happy I didn‘t have to live in these times. I am always appalled at how craven and self-serving literally everyone is. They would all be as hypocritical as their selfishness required, and throw literally anyone under the bus for their own advancement. Revolting.

[@twain7879]

thank you for posting this. I have been thinking exactly that while watching similar historical depictions of our past. So grateful to be in this 21at century and in the democratic society.

[@robinlillian9471]

Sounds just like modern times.

[@wengercleopatra2150]

Oh and there are no hypocrites today? Human nature doesn’t change much across time

[@Woodman-Spare-that-tree]

Life is still like that. Minus the beheadings.

[@Woodman-Spare-that-tree]

@@twain7879 😂. We’re not in a democratic society. We’re being “farmed” by the WEF. Look up The Great Reset.

[@adrienneberger3642]

Henry wanted a son..and was very willing to remember a quiet woman who presented no challenge to his authority. Plus he had his son. A great success. On Jane's part.. all was right with the world. Dani Dear Magi Length

[@BamberMe]

I think she was so revered because she died giving him his only legitimate son. And it helps he didn't have the time to fall out of love with her. Her great contrast to Anne only played in her favor.

[@hollywoodamanda]

I don't think henry ever loved any of his wives except catherine of aragon and possibly anne of cleves, bc they both got out of marriage with henry alive. Jane seymour was held in high regards in henry's eyes only bc she gave him a son. If jane ever gave birth to a daughter, her fate would have been death more than likely

[@Valoelify]

@@hollywoodamanda Henry never loved Anne of Cleves! He found her ugly, so he prompted for a divorce. But he certainly loved Jane Seymour and wept at her death as she had given him his long yearned for son. However, no one knows if he would indeed have tired of her eventually as well had she lived.

[@irvinecompanytenantsrightsviol]

@thatamandagirl Catherine of Aragon was the aunt of the King of Spain. Exciting her would have caused WWI - 400 years early ! The fact Catherine was not executed had nothing to do with "Love". Henry knew his place on the world's stage

[@monicaekeyes2489]

I thoroughly enjoyed this presentation of Jane and the surrounding events,description and timeline of her ascendancy.

[@ingagirard9656]

I have a theory that Henry chose Jane because Jane's mother had given birth to so many sons. I am not sure of this, but I would think it would make sense since his number one goal was to have a male heir.

[@dannyhuffman]

Hi Inga hope you’re okay?

[@dazeyday5699]

That's a really interesting point and it does bear thinking about. Of course, we will never know for sure but one could imagine a courtier pointing out to Henry in passing that his new mistress had 6 older brothers, which started the hamster wheel turning in Henry's son-obsessed brain.

[@tesskaiser2190]

Did they not realize at that time it's the man that controls the sex of the child? We can blame his shitty sperm. What a gross looking dude. My bad.

[@kayleighpowles6075]

I find it strange given what we know about Henry the VIII that the women are always portrayed as wanting to “catch Henry’s interest” or that they are manipulating the situation. There is increasing evidence that Anne didn’t want to marry Henry and didn’t pursue him but it was the other way around. Anne wanted to do good and create a benefit type system for the poor which Henry’s council didn’t want. Hence the rumours of incest etc. As for Jane she was nieve and only a child at the time - could be easily manipulated and quiet which would of suited Henry. He did not love any of his wives. If Jane didn’t give him a son he wouldn’t of looked at her favourably at all.

[@dazeyday5699]

Jane was in her 20s. You are possibly thinking of Catherine Howard.

[@victoriahatch371]

My very great great great aunt. Thank you for sharing. I love history and it's cool to know a lot of us are related to them

[@irvinecompanytenantsrightsviol]

I don't think so.....This was in the 1500's. Great aunt x 3 is only 4 generations ago

[@rommytize]

​@@irvinecompanytenantsrightsviol lol

[@marlimalish938]

Please do Elizabeth of York next!! 🙏🏻❤️

[@penny1186]

After Anne became Queen, Jane’s brothers were planning to use a sister to break up Henry and Anne’s marriage so they could have power. No one knew it was possible, even Anne, that a king would divorce his wife.

[@thomsonsmith95]

Hello Penny How are you doing today?

[@katherinecollins4685]

Really informative and well researched

[@briandelaney9710]

My favorite wife after Aragon She stood up to Henry about Mary and the monasteries

[@gig602]

IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE YESSSSS

[@whatalsaid]

Jane’s story would make a pretty good Fleabag/Serpent Queen-esque semi-comedy semi-drama series. Like, she was there for MOST of Henry VIII’s marital troubles, but was overlooked by everyone.

[@inoshikachokonoyarobakayar2493]

The detail in this channel's vids is great. Red meat for us history buffs.

[@laralynnewilliams7343]

I loved this video. Cant wait to watch the rest of the documentaries on King Henry VIII other wives.

[@davea6314]

Lyrics to the Song: "The Six Wives of Henry VIII: by Horrible Histories "Divorced, beheaded and died Divorced, beheaded, survived I'm Henry VIII, I had 6 sorry wives Some might say I ruined their lives... Catherine of Aragon was one She failed to give me a son I had to ask her for a divorce That broke her poor heart of course Young Anne Boleyn, she was two Had a daughter, the best she could do I said she flirted with some other man And off for the chop went dear Anne Lovely Jane Seymour was three The love of a lifetime for me She gave me a son, little prince Ed Then poor old Jane went and dropped dead Divorced, beheaded and died Divorced, beheaded, survived I'm Henry VIII, I had 6 sorry wives Some might say I ruined their lives... Anne of Cleeves came at four I fell for a portrait I saw Then laid eyes on her face and cried "She's a horse! I must have another divorce!" Catherine Howard was five A child of 19, so alive She flirted with others, no way to behave The axe sent young Cath to her grave Catherine Parr, she was last By then all my best days were past I lay on my deathbed aged just 55 Lucky young Catherine, the last, stayed alive Divorced, beheaded and died Divorced, beheaded, survived I'm Henry VIII, I had 6 sorry wives You could say I ruined their lives..." citation link: songmeanings.com/songs/view/3530822107858886068/

[@irvinecompanytenantsrightsviol]

Back then no 19 year old was a child. That's a 21st century mindset. Even in the 20th century, 19 year olds were fully recognized as adults

[@Flamsterette]

Thanks for the upload!

[@voyaristika5673]

I believe Jane had a fair amount of the "schemer" about her. I wonder what the women who really knew her thought of her.

[@em6577]

I agree...'still waters run deep'

[@deeboolove1301]

I really appreciate the in-depth psychological information that you come up with I think it’s very very helpful and enlightening THANKYOU ‼️‼️‼️👍⭐️🤩👑🙏

[@LadyOaksNZ]

Thank you for sharing... very informative docs 💯💯⚘️

[@historyismyplayground1827]

What a fabulous and insightful documentary! I have always overlooked, Jane, Ann of Cleves is my favorite queen

[@IndigoBellyDance]

Jane Seymour knew Exactly what she was doing. (I’m biased I will Always b a fan of Anne:)

[@glendabarton45barton48]

While the unfortunate Anne has been roundly vilified, perhaps rightfully so, it strikes me that Jane was really a snake in the grass who artfully played her cards not so differently than Anne but more quietly and subtly compared to Anne's flamboyant personality. Jane's the type who would make me automatically suspicious that beneath that saintly veneer lurked a malicious power-playing streak. That might be due, though, on my part, because of my high regard for Queen Elizabeth I and bias, resulting in some sympathy for her mother. Since I'm related to King James I and Mary Queen of Scots I guess I'm related to her cousin Elizabeth my favorite queen. I didn't care for Mary Stuart, I thought she was stupid but one of my ancestor's was arrested for helping to assassinate her husband, Lord Dudley, an act that was suspected to be secretly favored by the Queen, who bestowed a Cost of Arms on my ancestor. The intrigue!

[@lhasalil]

Her husband was Henry Stuart aka Lord Darnley not Dudley. Also, if you are a descendant of Mary I through her son James VI Scotland (James I of England) then Lord Darnley is also your ancestor as he was his biological father.

[@8teezy]

I really don't get why ppl are so intent on portraying Jane as a "snake". There's no basis for this

[@EllieMarianna]

​@@8teezyyes there is.

[@katelynherring2117]

I think Anne was really the only wife who tried to capture Henry. The others were just swept up in Henry's desires, and you don't say no to Henry.

[@xexexe1000]

The historian/narrator in this documentary, suggests that Jane knew what she was doing and followed the same playbook as Anne. She refused to become Henry’s mistress and instead wanted him to marry her soon after Anne died. Jane was accepting gifts, then as soon as Anne died, she purposely refused more to gain an upper hand on Henry. So please, don’t make Anne to be the only calculating wife.

[@ladythalia227]

Anne would have had no way of knowing that divorce was possible as it had never before been done. Jane, on the other hand, knew exactly what she could expect. I absolutely believe Jane played the long game.

[@93peterbilt19]

Let's break that down a little bit...from the previous video on Anne, she tried to marry a man she truly loved but was refused by her family...she tried to refuse the King but he refuse to back down...she left the court to remove herself from the situation , even returned his gifts but after a year or so of relentless pursuit from the King she eventually started to give in....there was no precedent for displacing a sitting Queen so Anne would have no idea that the King's plan to annul his marriage woulld actually work so her only play would be to withhold sex so as to not to totally ruin her chance at marriage to someone else....also, withholding sex could have also been a play to hopefully get the King to move on to someone who would give it up willingly...and the main thing is the King pursued her for YEARS. Add that to the pressure that her father & uncle would have been placing on her, she decided to play the game (if you can't beat them, join them). History paints her as the calculating harlot who displaced Queen Catherine and was cruel to Princess Mary (although most of the things that were done to Mary were done to her by Henry's order, Anne is still blamed) but she may have just been a woman who was trying to do the best with a situation that she was forced into by an obsessed King & power hungry relatives. And as for Jane...maybe she was the same...maybe she saw that Queen's could be replaced & she took advantage of the fact Anne had not bore the King a son and had suffered several miscarrages.

[@chykim1]

Soo appreciate a lengthy biography of my favorite queen Jane Seymour 💕💕💕

[@dannyhuffman]

Hi Kim hope you’re okay?

[@annedonker4795]

why is she your favorite. She was plain, dull, mean to her step daughter Elizabeth and taunting queen Anne with that locket hendry gave her, indicating a bully type behavior. Seriously wha'ts to like? nothing much.

[@chykim1]

​@@dannyhuffman I'm quite well thanks for asking😊

[@chykim1]

​@@annedonker4795 now you know and did all that stuff, it was Jane who reconciled Henry with Mary and Elizabeth. She was crying even the court said going from and to Jane was like going from night today. She was a kind Queen and as I said my favorite deal with it.

[@dannyhuffman]

@@chykim1 you're highly welcome, by the way how is the weather over there now?

[@andrewbrennan2891]

Even by the standards of the time Henry VIII was a dreadful tyrant and had so much innocent blood on his hands.

[@catsberry4858]

Nice!!!!!!! Didn’t expect this one. The only lady who lie next to Henry 8

[@cjayj442]

I never heard that it was a possible c section. But back then, I doubt she would've been able to walk or be in public a week afterwards, if it was. I was on heavy painkillers and could barely walk to the bathroom a week later.

[@Isabella2335.]

I was in hospital for three weeks before I could go home .

[@julieblackstock8650]

agreed,, this is a good documentary but think they are way off the mark with the c section

[@AnnabelleCharrier]

There's absolutely no WAY Jane had a C section! She'd have died a speedy and agonizing death in that era.

[@Isabella2335.]

@@AnnabelleCharrier exactly and the doctors in those eras didn’t really know what a c section was or how to preform one on a patient.

[@terri348]

I had my first c section and the doctor gave me a belly binder to wear It helped me to not only walk without pain but also to keep my stitches safe from clothing rubbing As a result when I went on to have 3 more children (all C section) and used the belly binder after each one I never had sagging in that region. I recommend the belly binder to everyone who has had a recent c section and they all have said it eliminates pain and stops stitches being pulled.

[@edithannmontrose6870]

I think that Elizabeth the first was correct, in that Jane Seymour had the long awaited son, and did not last long enough to allow Henry to tire of her. MORE importantly, Henry fell during sparing games, and suffered a severe head injury. His subsequent volatile behavior and anger outbursts, especially once Anne Boleyn lost her son, is consistent with severe head injury behavior. He is much more reasonable before the head injury. Afterwards he is unreasonable and easily prone to wrath and murderous behavior. Plus he was likely a type 11 diabetic with multi infarct dementia.

[@conniecondra4535]

Do have any citations for the multiple infarcts? I don't doubt that he had T2DM although there was no medical diagnosis as such.

[@barbarapaige]

@@conniecondra4535 He might have had T2 diabetes, I agree with you. The weight and the lack of healing for his leg wound makes me suspicious. Also his change of behavior might be a result of his head injury and the constant pain he must have been in; I wonder how much alcohol he drank.

[@rayarena879]

I like Jane Seymour. She was faithful to Catherine and ingratiated Mary to Henry’s graces.

[@hollyh314]

The picture used for Jane's sister, Elizabeth Seymour, in this episode...I have seen other shows use that same picture but say that it is King Henry's 5th wife Katherine Howard. I know that there's some controversy on which painting is actually Katherine Howard. This is the first time I've seen where it's been said that painting is of Elizabeth Seymour.

[@tamarafigge8800]

I was going to say the exact same thing!

[@PeopleProfiles]

It's thought by some to be Elizabeth...

[@Thedarkestduchess]

Actually, the portrait in question, which is known as "The Toledo Portrait", because it was acquired by The Toledo Museum Of Art in Ohio, USA in the early 1900s, is NOT KATHERINE HOWARD! It is likely Elizabeth Seymour , just as The People Profiles says. The portrait has long been associated with Henry VIII's young queen, however the identification of the portrait as Katherine Howard is widely discounted! The text on the portrait, ETATIS SVÆ 21, indicates that the sitter was in her 21st year, an age Katherine Howard never reached.

[@Thedarkestduchess]

@@PeopleProfiles its very likely it is Elizabeth Seymour, you're quite correct. There is almost NO CHANCE of it being Katherine Howard!

[@hollyh314]

@@Thedarkestduchess I didn't know that...like I said, I knew there was controversy surrounding who was the sitter in some paintings. I think that the face of Jane Seymour and the face in the painting we are discussing are very similar and do look to be sisters...I actually never even knew that Jane had a sister, this was the first show I've seen where a sister was mentioned. I love all things Tudor History. Thanks for commenting and telling me about the paintings details and History etc.

[@paulkoza8652]

Well done. Thank you.

[@angelawiebe4624]

Ann didn’t step over the corpse of her revile to get what she wanted, I think Jane was pretty cold blooded. Ann might have been the “other woman”, but so was Jane but with more blood on her hands.

[@chibuzorokonkwo7039]

I love Anne but she did worse than step over the corpse of the ones she hated. Wasn’t it said that she wished for the death of KoA and Mary her daughter? Didn’t she show glee when she heard KoA had finally died?

[@angelawiebe4624]

@@chibuzorokonkwo7039 I mean unless Anne gave KoA the cancer that killed her, and that would be impressive. That’s still not being involved in her death. I mean heartless to be like yes she’s dead, but not the murder levels were done to Anne. I mean CoA was easily the most innocent bystander in the gong show that was being wife of Henry the 8. So in terms of comparing apples to apples Jane worse then Anna…. KoA…. Better then both of them combined.

[@AmethystEyes]

There is NO WAY that she had a c-section. She wouldn’t have lived twelve days after his birth if she did.

[@whitwhitsworld]

Episiotomy maybe?

[@emakelley6807]

I think I watched a show once about how they think it could be the placenta got infected and this was somewhat common because they didn’t know of this danger at the time.

[@michellebruce5092]

Great video I enjoyed it. I think Jane Seymour gave Henry what he always wanted a son. That's why she was his favorite wife. Poor Jane Seymour dead never seeing her son grow up or being crowned the queen of england. But she was a kind lady and a loving step mother. 😀

[@CWG-op9td]

She wasn’t a good stepmom to Elizabeth.

[@paulmaryon9088]

An excellent and informative video, thank you

[@almaconnor9171]

I love English history. Love from the US.

[@onagaali2024]

Jane Seymour died too soon to really make any impact on anything. Henry VIII expected too much from her. She didn't even live to see Edward VI live long enough to become a teenager. Had she done Henry likely wouldn't have married again because she probably would have bore him more children. I really don't think Henry thought of any of his wives as "his favorite." I only believe he had some favor for Jane because she bore him his "son" he so longed for who himself didn't live long enough to make any dynastic difference. He was too chauvinistic and misogynistic to really respect any of his wives or women. He married for political and dynastic expediency.

[@co94]

I think Henry viewed both institutions and people as tools at his disposal or toys to entertain him. Means to ends and little more. Henry was a woman-hater? Im not sure. He doted over his daughter, Mary, for example. She was heir-apparent for years and was being groomed to rule even in a patriarchal society. That is, until Henry decided not having a male heir was unacceptable instead of unfortunate. In a flash, Henry divorced Catherine of Aragon and declared Mary illegitimate. Mary was no longer useful. Into the toolbox she goes. The woman was devastated. Henry doesnt care though. Then once Edward was born, Mary suddenly serves a purpose for Henry again. She and her descendants can be successors if Edward died with no heirs. Henry takes Mary out of the figurative toolbox and re-legitimizes her.

[@onagaali2024]

@@co94 I highly agree with you. He so longed for that "male heir" and Edward VI's health wasn't good enough for him to make it to the 17th century it was his 2nd girl that did that, Elizabeth I. The Tudor dynasty had quite a bit of fertility issues.

[@Blake_.Dryden]

Jane Seymour was placed and promoted by the Catholic Church whom had an eye on regaining dominion there. Feels like Chapuis would’ve been pivotal in the plot. Henry most likely gave in fearing for his kindgom and immortal soul; a sentiment that would’ve been reinforced by the birth of a prince.

[@nassauguy48]

The pendulum kept swinging back and forth. The odd numbered wives represented Catholic interests while the even numbered wives represented Protestant interests. At the end of the day, Henry was a firm Anglican who had been executing both Catholics and Protestants all along!

[@8teezy]

Orrrrr, he could have just liked her. That is also a possibility. Ppl read way to deep into this, it doesn't have to be this complicated

[@1Akai1]

The stories of Jane Seymour and Ann Boleyn should be called "who can trick a King"

[@magnacary]

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[@user-gc3zx3gx5v]

Jane Seymour was a kind and gentle and generous lady who was very, very lucky in giving Henry a male heir.

[@mariaorourke5866]

It's hard to look back over the centuries and really know what happened but I would tentatively say that Jane was willing to give her life for her child and I sense that she loved Henry very much. We are all complex people and non of us is completely pure but I think she did a pretty good job

[@xxxxxx5062]

I agree. I also love her relationship with Mary. She genuinely loved Mary, spoilt her with gifts and walk the grounds holding hands with her 🥺

[@robinlillian9471]

Jane also knew all too well what would happen to her if she didn't provide Henry with a male heir.

[@aprilgosa5779]

Anne loved her baby too but Henry robbed Elizabeth the common denominator is Henry who knows may be he did kill Jane once the baby was born and he had what he wanted? Was he that evil? Maybe I heard she had a cC/section but not sure of it being true

[@sackettfamily4685]

@@aprilgosa5779 while he was a notorious narcissistic man, I find that theory laughable! In that time, children frequently died before adulthood, even royals. So why on earth, kill a wife who's just given birth to a live child???? No he'd be hoping she'd have several more children. That way his succession was further secured. As is: Edward and Mary reigned for a few years and then it all passed to Elizabeth. (Speaking of Elizabeth... there's a conspiracy theory about her childhood death. And being replaced with a boy. Look it up.)

[@glen7318]

@@aprilgosa5779 what are you on about?

[@carolmurray187]

Really enjoyed this and the way it was presented. I dislike documentaries which flick back and forth with modern day footage of the places where these events took place.

[@bikinibabes666]

Personally, I think it's rather good to see Anne the temptress receiving a touch 'of her own medicine.' After all, what goes around comes around.....

[@louise-yo7kz]

Jane, to me was a cunning calculated lass

[@JulioZaanoni]

Hello, @JaneSeymour I’m Julio Zaanoni, a former MD in Peru. My wife passed away Mar 11, 2023 due to a Gastric Cancer & before dying, she asked me to take care of our puppy Simba. I plan to go back to Peru. I can work for your NPO or similar one in Peru. Some airlines don’t allow me to bring my dog from Toronto to Lima, Peru. PLEASE, I need your HELP

[@alih429]

This is a fantastic documentary. Well done

[@Nigelsmom2136]

Out of all his wives Henry chose to be buried next to Jane.

[@TheLeaveTaking]

Excellent video! I throughly enjoyed it. I think Jane was quite ambitious. And in the end, she too payed the ultimate price for being married to Henry - just like Anne. It's quite sad actually. And it's ironic that her son was a Protestant king.

[@jeng8401]

Jane was kind and sweet and stayed out of politics. I think Jane reminded Henry of his Mother. And she gave him his only legitimate son. I think if she had lived he would had stayed with her to his death.