Jay Weinberg vs Eloy Casagrande - Unsainted - Drum cam comparison.

[@GuaChiMinh]

Slipknot: "don't worry Jay, Eloy is Just a friend"

[@damiencross7334]

Eloy will be gone too. Slipknot likes to fire people before they get paid as a full member.

[@dearplace7935]

@@damiencross7334 ufff

[@Muxik4k]

A super friend taking your job..

[@ouncy]

@@damiencross7334 He'll leave when he wants to. It was his decision to join the band, not theirs. At least they ain't got a rich emo kid anymore. Much better now.

[@crepperwlp]

@@ouncy Yeah... That's not how bands work.

[@closinginonclosure]

When Eloy was born, the doctor delivering him told his parents "Congratulations, it's a Metronome!"

[@tom_kaufis]

😂❤

[@alexwhisewood5991]

That hits hard.

[@HEXEDGUITARCHAOS]

He actually got busted using a metronome 😂

[@closinginonclosure]

@@HEXEDGUITARCHAOS Huh? "Busted using a metronome"? Pretty sure Eloy, doesn't play to a click. And even if he did, you can't get "busted" for it because it's not illegal or something. Most drummers play to a click, and it's not like a click make you either a good or a bad drummer. You can play to a click and still be bad. But yeah, it possible Eloy uses one at times, or when playing certain songs he just learned. But he most definitely doesn't use one a lot of the time.

[@HEXEDGUITARCHAOS]

@closinginonclosure Joey never used a metronome and Eloy got busted using one in the first live show. Weak drummer

[@luismonteiro1388]

Jay plays ghost notes Eloy plays Poltergeist notes raised the level, perfect

[@vonbeaver99]

People who don’t drum always talk about “ghost notes”

[@harikoa4723]

I think Eloy also just hits a hell of a lot harder which makes his speed and accuracy even more impressive.

[@travisspaulding9540]

@@vonbeaver99how do you know whether that person drums or not? And the precision and detail is otherworldly on eloy’s part.

[@luismonteiro1388]

@@vonbeaver99 kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5ikpHx3bpeAgZY&ab_channel=EloyCasagrande

[@luismonteiro1388]

@@travisspaulding9540 kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5ikpHx3bpeAgZY&ab_channel=EloyCasagrande

[@LouieGrind]

Eloy's ghost tunes and flares are just out of this world. Like the dynamics that dude gets is unreal. Hands down one of the greatest drummers of all time.

[@FrankDag]

TBF he's using arguably the greatest, loudest, most sensitive snare drum ever made…you could blow on that Tama bell brass & get ghost notes out of it. But yeah he's one of the greats, no doubt.

[@orlandofernandez3436]

true

[@closinginonclosure]

"Ghost TUNES"? Do you mean, ghost NOTES?

[@StonedGossard_]

the greatest living drummer

[@luismonteiro1388]

Eloy is a mixture (Albert Einstein + Hulk + Flash + Neurosurgeon Doctor), in one

[@dmytrotonitsoi]

This is literally the “you vs the guy she tells you not to worry about” meme

[@fabiofernandes4135]

I understood 😂😂😂

[@Jeudaos]

pretty much. Eloy is A MONSTER

[@nathanjones3711]

You win the internet today

[@satricon]

looool

[@tonamg53]

More like “You vs the guy you had no chance competing with, so you tell her you wish them all the best as you step aside to let the man to take your place”

[@patrickseymour3191]

Slipknot’s drummer story is remarkably similar to Metallica’s bassist story: - An irreplaceable legendary original member who tragically passed away too young, leaving an incredibly legacy. (Cliff Burton/Joey Jordison) - A fan-favorite who was adored by fans yet never really treated fairly by the band, filling impossible shoes and forever remaining in the original’s shadow. (Jason Newstead/Jay Weinberg) - A career musician who’s talent is far beyond the band itself and their involvement brings new life and will see them into retirement. (Robert Trujillo/Eloy Casagrande)

[@adamhuskey5306]

Funny, as Lars is the worst drummer in metal

[@adamhuskey5306]

But good comparison

[@bpmcmanson8701]

Its funny you compare Slipknot to metallica because they really are similar, both started out with some great albums and both sold out and started producing shit music, for Metallica nothing after the black album was any good and for slipknot nothing after Subliminal verses was any good 😅

[@Krilix]

@@bpmcmanson8701if you genuinely think that then you haven’t actually listened to anything after volume 3.

[@bpmcmanson8701]

​@@Krilixyou can think that all you want, but i have listened to slipknot after vol 3 and didnt like it. Personally i havnt enjoyed slipknot since Stone Sour's second album, because after that slipknot got weak to match and now its hard for me to tell the difference between the 2 like StoneKnot or Slipsour idk

[@c4rlo5Bl3ss]

What I think is really cool about Eloy is that he doesn't just play with his arms, but with his whole body. The intensity of how he plays is something out of this world.

[@josedomingosteixeira1379]

imagine how many drum sets he's going to go through in a tour

[@LucanTheRando]

as a drummer myself, i think he looks ridiculous, you can put in that level of energy and intensity without looking overexaggerated

[@josedomingosteixeira1379]

@@LucanTheRandoit's not acting he's always played like that

[@LucanTheRando]

@@josedomingosteixeira1379 where did I say he was acting? I'm saying his style looks ridiculous

[@viraajgupta6047]

@@LucanTheRandomoving your body in that way is an excellent form of keeping time- proven by Eloy’s killer pocket. Not to mention, why not exaggerate movements? it’s fun!

[@rjanolsen3935]

Eloys drum sound can kill a moose at 10.000 feet away..fuckin hell

[@AgravepasmonK]

lmfao

[@altieresalvarengasilva7278]

😂

[@incubrian]

the snare? if you listen not on a phone jays drum mix is soo much deeper and punchier.

[@luismonteiro1388]

Attention!.., it's an A-10 Thunderbolt II, NO!, FACK it's Eloy , Run away!, FACK RUN!!

[@robinbergstrom3460]

you are not a drummer i can tell! you cant tell the diff from the sounds.. better go back to music class dude

[@Jay3ro]

With Jay being in Slipknot as long as we was I sort of grew attached to him and I was upset when he was fired and I miss him, idk I just really like the dude, I can accept that Eloy's clearly better and both Jay and the band are thriving but there's just that part of me that will always miss Jay. Edit: Glad I’m not alone :)

[@SunshineHB]

Nothing wrong with that, man! It’s a bummer when the lineup of a band you have bonded with most changes.

[@emperorurbi]

Same here! I saw Jay live a couple of times and damn it's a force to be reckoned with behind the kit, he brings the whole sound together! These videos do him credit enough!

[@pugli-se1524]

Forever Joey jordison

[@briancave3823]

this is how I feel. Jay is a world class drummer. Eloy is better, even if the band plays substantially slower with him. The Gold standard for Metal is still Joey. End of Story. Neither can hold a candle to Joey.

[@BrunoFerreiraDS]

@@briancave3823 Joey understands the energy of slipknot and in his prime he coul delivery the right creativity and energy that the music needed, not only in studio but also live, he tweeked many songs for live, for example, purity is very different from the record and sadly Eloy just follow exatcly the record, becous of that i miss some of the energy to live that Joey used to put.

[@terpax]

Maybe Jay could start a band with Jason Newstead. Two talented musicians that had to fill impossible roles.

[@nineninex5558]

Bro that would be awesome fr

[@MarioLuigi-vb3rp]

Doesn’t make sense jay filled the role for ten years just fine. He had personal issues and they kicked him out because of it.

[@terpax]

Do you know why they kicked him out? I haven’t seen either side give any specifics. Relationships end. Bands change. Exactly as you said, he filled a role. Jay seems to have landed on his feet and be doing pretty well.

[@xvor_tex8577]

And Eloy should make a band about a talented musician that filled up an impossible role.

[@funkysanta9052]

For me personally Jay Weinberg stepped in to fill in some very big shoes after Joey left and I respect what he has done in keeping the metal machine that is Slipknot running until they found the drummer that could bring the original energy and drive that Joey brought into the band from its inception till the day he left. Jay was the drummer who punched well above his weight class in keeping things going after Joey Jordinson and I deeply respect him for it. NOTE: It's really not about Jay Weinberg being the best drummer for Slipknot. Of course, he was no Joey Jordinson or Eloy Casagrande. He stepped in to keep the Slipknot machine running after Joey until they brought in Eloy. And as a Slipknot fan, I thank him (Jay) for it. Some of you mofos are just downright bitter and vitriolic. The guy did his duty as best as he could filling in after Joey. Now Eloy is there. Just be happy.

[@Mr.K2022]

Agreed, everyone keeps shitting on Jay but he did his job exceptionally well

[@behindthen0thing525]

Naw he sucks

[@jeffhayesexperiment]

@@Mr.K2022I mean he did alright. It’s only cuz his dad he even got the gig….

[@matthewshelley1365]

Not a fan of Jay or his dad but this is so fair, he really went for it

[@stewartross13]

Jordison

[@AgenvtV]

Jay doesn't deserve the hate let's be real

[@TheSentinel909]

People are paying attention to the strenght and power of Eloy - when they should be listening for the tempo. Jay is doing the (quite common) thing of rushing in a live setting. Eloy is like a human fucking metronome - so steady (while smacking the BEJESUS outta the drums).

[@zeusthedrumlord547]

This is what always bugged me about jay. I don’t think he rushed in the sense that he was speeding up, but I feel like he always played *every* song flat out too fast from beginning to end, like geez man the songs are fast enough lol

[@LegendasBRMetal]

Mano, os caras nos comentários se estapeando pra ver quem é melhor, uns papo nada haver. O legal é ver as diferenças de cada um. Mano, o Slipknot teve três grandes bateristas, cada um com sua importância e seu estilo, Joey foi o criador, Jay foi o recomeço e o Eloy é a nova era!

[@niovas]

bela resposta amigo!

[@Tiago-r6]

Eu gosto de ver as comparações pois sou baterista e é massa analisar e até apreciar o som da bateria. Mas tá dando preguiça dos comentários em todos os vídeos, pois é todo mundo rebaixando o Jay e babando o Eloy, sempre os mesmos comentários, nada nada nada novo ou original. Até desrespeitar o Joey, que foi o pilar da banda e tá descansando em paz, a galera rebaixa, uma grande besteira. Metade aqui nunca nem viu uma bateria de perto, se pensar sobre.

[@sonoobgameplays926]

@@Tiago-r6 Mas cada um tem seus gostos, se alguém prefere tal baterista do que outro, isso não é da conta de ninguém, cada um deles tem seu proprio estilo.

[@defithefuture7621]

Famosa resposta clichê... o famoso isentão que fica em cima do muro. Nem frio.. nem morno... Quero é distância desse tipo de gente.

[@nassograton]

Não sei de onde você tirou que as pessoas estão brigando pr ver quem é o melhor. Todos aqui sabem quem é o melhor, aparentemente só você que não.

[@tingkagol]

Jay's playing is much closer to Joey in terms of dynamics and strength. Eloy is a completely different animal compared to all of them. All Eloy needs now is to write crazy new Slipknot songs and he'll really be the best among them...

[@smoked-old-fashioned-hh7lo]

i've never been interested in slipknot until eloy joined. i hope he can take them in a more proggy direction.

[@chrisbarnett4719]

It's going to happen

[@dougwalkerjr3586]

I literally can't wait to see what he cooks up with them

[@yopeweonequisde2623]

Joey>>>>> eloy jay

[@Muxik4k]

Jay used to play sometimes faster than the real song speed making Corey to sing bad.

[@vegadrums7]

I think any drummer can tell that it’s clear as day that Eloy outperformed Jay on this. 1. Eloy plays it at the original tempo while Jay is rushing, you can hear this a LOT live in other videos as well 2. Eloy adds tasteful ghost notes and extra subtleties that make this drum part flow so much better, and he is overall more precise and every hit is clear and loud. No disrespect to Jay bc he is a hell of a drummer is his own right, but Eloy is on another level. He is for sure the most technical player out of all of them and hits hard af, he is doing an awesome job.

[@rocket_1666]

man, those ghost notes... 🤤

[@mcafalchio]

I cant say that, the fast tempo could be a band decision.

[@drumbeard]

​@@mcafalchio it wasn't. Reportedly it was one of the reasons Jay got fired, as he had time to improve and did not.

[@mcafalchio]

​@@drumbeardoh, new information. Eloy is better timekeeper tho

[@nathandrums0]

@@drumbeardy’all are so goddamn stupid lol. Reportedly? It wasn’t why he got fired. The band as a whole wasn’t on a click track during the jay years. Even Jim root has said in an interview that they were all on fire and rushing live. They’re using a click now. They also don’t play at the original tempos. They’re even slower depending on the song. Eloy has admitted his weakness as a drummer is double kick.

[@DangOlJesse]

Jay is a monster on the kit, but he almost seems shy, whereas every stroke Eloy plays is very deliberate, impactful, and confident. Hats off to both guys though. I could never.

[@coomingnotgoing904]

Also has to do with the recording, and the fact that Eloy is playing rimshots every time he hits the snare whereas Jay didn’t

[@Rob_0_Pierce]

No offense to Jay but there’s no comparison… Eloy played stuff at 14 that Jay couldn’t touch today. All is right in the world of metal.

[@andrebatalha3384]

Perfect

[@danielbarajassanchez503]

Jay toca mucho más que eloy

[@lordskysixss]

@@danielbarajassanchez503 Then you woke up?

[@marianorainmaker]

@@danielbarajassanchez503 Pitos, porque bateria seguro que no.

[@Pirustae]

Eloy is only hitting harder.

[@connorwilliams2999]

Eloy’s hits literally sound like a machine gun. Insane the amount of power this dude plays with

[@luismonteiro1388]

Eloy is a mixture (Albert Einstein + Hulk + Flash + Neurosurgeon Doctor), in one

[@akselpedersen7192]

His tuning is also significantly higher (pitch) than Jay's which contributes to hearing every hit so clearly

[@brunxcardster]

He's inserting Maracatu and Samba black rhythms techniques into Slipknot drums. That's what brazilian musicians are saying about it.

[@canererdogan1]

Hitting damn hard (That's what she says 😂)

[@pixelmentia]

I haven’t been keeping up with Slipknot at all. Holy shit. I need to go see them while they have Eloy. What an absolute beast.

[@LeandroSilva-uz1jb]

O que gosto no Eloy , é que tem identidade, não é uma tentativa de cópia do joey, Joey não pode ser copiado, assim como o Eloy não pode ser cópia e nem copiado são estilos de personalidade diferenciadas, porém o Jay foi uma frustração como baterista do Slipknot por causa do próprio, pois ele escondeu sua identidade, ninguém deve fazer isso!

[@mateusxavier8805]

Exato, sempre achei que ele tentou copiar muito o Joey ao invés de pegar as partes essesnciais da composição original e dar o toque dele. Até as viradas que o Joey fazia ao vivo o Jay copiou. Eloy já é outra história, manteve o importante do original mas colocou sua personalidade nas músicas e fez delas dele.

[@rafaelericson]

Lembrando que Unsainted foi escrita pelo Jay, e nao pelo Joey..

[@mateusxavier8805]

@@rafaelericson não estamos falando dessa música em específico, mas num contexto geral

[@johnmarkgamayot4434]

You maybe said Jay copied Joey because both has almost has the same physique.

[@LeandroSilva-uz1jb]

@@johnmarkgamayot4434 até momentos antes da apresentação, realizava os movimentos cénico de Joey, o que eu achava desnecessário, afinal ele não precisava ser o Joey, ele só precisava tocar parecido, se caso liberado poderia colocar alguns detalhes a mais na música sem mudar a obra de Joey.

[@Ressoante]

Jay 🔥🔥👍eloy 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🤟🤟🤟

[@dinifabio]

I believe even Joey would be impressed, he was a beast of a drummer and would recognize one of his own...

[@Ultrahardfeelings]

i'm always smiling while notice comments that starts with "no disrespect to Jay, but...."

01:08 eloy hard mode

[@levibruno9169]

The best

[@TylerHNothing]

Still a cool Jay written fill. At least written while he was with the band

[@MrCMHUDDY]

Thanks for everything Jay.... What short memories some people have. Sad.

[@seppes11]

The wear and tear on Slipknot's drummers is not the drummers' fault. They are all incredibly good.

[@HyperTensionJohnny]

Let us not forget that they're playing (mostly) songs written by Joey. Never forget the man himself. 🙏 🪦

[@derekblackthorne]

The most glaring difference here is that Jay just played as Joey played, but Eloy adds his own flair.

[@ricardoseixas1935]

Não tem nem como comparar… Jay bate fofo demais, Eloy é um animal

[@EMWFigureShelf]

Different techniques/approaches here, but both have their fit within slipknot albeit at different times. I am happy to had seen Jay live with slipknot and will miss him. Moving forward, I look forward to hopefully seeing Eloy live along with a possible new album.

[@senvguild173]

I share the same opinion

[@ifount]

When I watch Jay I think “you know if I practice really hard, in a few years, I bet I can almost do that”. When I watch Eloy I think “I should just quit playing drums right now”.

[@jerrodmichael8049]

I feel like Eloy’s pocket and just general presence behind the kit are just so savage and feral

[@1ThaiSurfer]

Eloy sound and tune are better than the original jay.😂😂

[@martincorral6835]

this is also in part because i believe that eloy records these drum cams with the yamaha ead10- which makes it sound more raw and the snare pop like crazy. I own one and I can get my snare to sound close to this. Not saying eloy isn’t a monster but if we had a drum cam with jay and that ead 10 sound I feel like there would be more different opinions.

[@lordskysixss]

@@martincorral6835 It might sound the same, but it would still be rushed and less precise. Jay is amazing, but Eloy is like a machine

[@bluthndrbear]

Joey is the original, lil homie.

[@fpcawolff]

@@bluthndrbearnot the original of Unsainted

[@BadBoyK_1_M]

But Joey is tho O.G

[@DanielTorres-l3t]

Eloy plays hard and heavy. Jay is a rebirth of Joey but Joey will always be the GOAT

[@batbrainstudios3338]

Regardless of skill I still very much appreciate everything Jay brings to the table. RESPECT! I as a seasoned drummer could not do half the stuff he does on the regular. Both are solid in their own way.

[@BamaRockstar85]

Jay was added bc they needed a drummer quickly. Eloy was added bc they wanted to have the best metal drummer out there in their band. They needed his uplift his energy to kickstart their band again

[@samgeek4857]

Best drummer? Have you ever heard about Evgeny Novikov?

[@DrBlackwave]

@@samgeek4857 Evgeny Novikov uses trigger on his kit.

[@samgeek4857]

@@DrBlackwave my gosh!! So did Joey and Eloy all are using triggers. And there are videos of Evgeny Novikov drum cams with pure drum sounds only. You might wanna refer to them

[@boomerdunkin]

​@@samgeek4857Eloy doesn't use triggers, & Joey only did later on

[@samgeek4857]

@@boomerdunkin Bruh are you kidding me? Eloy is definitely using triggers specially in kicks and watch Joey 2002 london live performance videos he was using triggers and I don't have any problems with triggers as they do nothing to enhance kicks skills. Drummer wise and pattern wise Evgeny Novikov is by far a better drummer. Even Corey Taylor was interested in Evgeny, he went to meet them before their performance.

[@troyevanthompson]

great video. I really like both drummers, but aside from styles (every musician is going to be different..art ya know?) this helped me figure what I really like about Eloy...his tuning seems similar to the s/t album and Joey's. Love that almost piccolo snare tone and the (seemingly) tighter tom heads. Nicely cuts through a band of 9. Thanks for making and sharing.

[@harveysengersmusic247]

Jay is a great drummer who comes close to copying Joey the right way. Eloy is a beast of a independent drummer (or better yet, a fucking animal) that can call himself Joey's equal when it comes to mastering his instrument.

[@Turbo614]

they are both AMAZING musicians theres no comparison needed.

[@rainegingerfish8860]

Why is no comparison needed? I want to see a comparison, if you don’t, then fuck off

[@GulliverStrange]

They are both amazing, true. But every drummer and professional musician would tell you that Eloy is from a different world in comparison to Jay. He is *a lot* better than Jay.

[@theumeus]

Are Vans the best drumming shoes?

[@SniffersCreepers]

Joey Jordison/Slipknot songs inspired me to play drums Jay, Eloy, or some future drummers for this band would be fine for me imo they both sound amazing. please keep this band alive

[@scottperson4819]

Eloy doesn’t overplay. He does what a drummer is supposed to do. Have a solid pocket and drive the band and set the tempo. All the other amazing stuff is what sets him apart

[@KennethDavis11]

Jay had the energy needed for Slipknot, he just didn’t know how to control it that well. Eloy is a perfect example of having discipline and control behind the kit.

[@smoked-old-fashioned-hh7lo]

the issue with jay is that he never learned to read music which significantly hinders your knowledge and creativity. eloy is creative and has his own unique style which shows up more obviously in his prog band. chops, power, speed is impressive but if you have nothing else it is easily forgettable and there is no distinction between other drummers. you can hear eloy's playing without watching and know it's him but not the same for jay.

[@smoked-old-fashioned-hh7lo]

@@Murdacat i'm aware, especially some of the gospel drummers, but there is a ceiling and that's not a hidden fact. the best drummers in the world are doing creative stuff with quintuplets, nested tuplets, and advanced modulations that just aren't possible for someone that doesn't have education. technically it is possible, there's just a significant disadvantage which is why you never see it.

[@laporteestouverte]

@@smoked-old-fashioned-hh7lo Would you have examples of drummers (and possibly songs) doing what you've described ? Thanks

[@smoked-old-fashioned-hh7lo]

@@laporteestouverte thomas lang, vinnie colaiuta, gavin harrison, matt garstka, tony royster jr, elliot hoffman, tomas haake, ronald bruner jr, eloy, chris coleman, virgil donati, steve smith. i could go on and on, but those are some names. you could debate where they all rank, but they're in the same class. i assume you're more of a metal guy, so for that i would recommend elliot hoffman (car bomb) - lights out, anti-patterns, dissect yourself. i would also recommend matt garstka (animals as leaders) - monomyth, conflict cartography, micro aggressions. there's more i could recommend, but you can explore from there on your own.

[@christopherwheeler6367]

Doesn’t matter. Slipknot will never be the same without Paul or Joey! They were primary song writers for most of Slipknots best music

[@johnny2156]

EVERY SLIPKNOT FAN CHECK THIS ONE OUT! 1:20 when Jay starts playing, sing along the chorus of Sulfur. You will be amazed that it's the excat copy of it

[@fairu8256]

El que mas se parece a joey a la hora de tocar es jay, una tecnica bastante parecida pero no igual, relajado a la hora de tocar e improvisan, en cambio eloy tiene una técnica distinta, mas agresiva , un metrónomo humano pero no deja de sonar excelente.

[@oldnic6665]

Jay is a fantastic drummer and whilst with Slipknot made some great music. Eloy is just other worldly though, he brings something extraordinary and quite unique to the table, much like Duplantier in Gojira or Carey with Tool. People that operate in the upper echelon of Rock/Metal drummers and will always elevate whatever band they play in.

[@SayKyleNotCow]

Just Eloy’s footwork alone is enough to make you want to throw your kit out of a 10 story building and give up. It’s just unreal how incredible the guy is.

[@brianbarrett2487]

He's almost as good as that one handed guy!

[@zakm9028]

Jeez, Eloy’s snare is just perfection

[@cvblaylock]

Jay’s drums sound better regarding my tuning preference. Eloy has nasty ghost notes but they aren’t needed. Both are phenomenal drummers. Not sure why we must compare them.

[@laporteestouverte]

I agree. For some reason, Eloy's drums here sound very tinny, like St Anger or El Estepario Siberiano (whose drum sound I really dislike, despite him being so good). It kind of ruins his performance for me.

[@2006Whippet]

​@@laporteestouverteI'd say that has more to do with the recording equipment being used for the different drum cam videos.

[@yoyolebatteur]

Hitting drums very hard is rarely beneficial tone wise. Of course that may be irrelevant if you use drum triggers.

[@kevongordon2675]

I love Jay with all my heart and no one can play what he played I'm happy there's a powerhouse of a drummer like Eloy who can put an amazing groove to his parts

[@EnzoeChristian]

Nem humano o Eloy é, na moral... Uma máquina 🔥🔥

[@RamonReport]

I like both. Only thing I’m not fully sold on with Eloy is that he is always full throttle, I know most of you love that but Jay was softer and more complimentary. I just see them at the 02 arena and Eloy was 10/10 but I’d love to hear him sometimes less aggressive if that makes any sense. His snare hits are great but it’s like they are TOO perfect, does that make any sense? He is too accurate? Too perfect

[@matheuspl1297]

Jay, o famoso toca fofo

[@Tiago-r6]

Matheus, o famoso baba ovo. Se Eloy abaixar as calças pra você eu sei que você não pensaria duas vezes.

[@matheuspl1297]

@@Tiago-r6 Parou cara, é somente um fato, n estou babando ovo

[@serdomal8796]

@@Tiago-r6 vish pegou ar sozinho kkkkkkk

[@patrickiwsleyter]

​@@Tiago-r6sentiu hein

[@cac_37]

​@@Tiago-r6 que viagem foi essa cara ? Só foi um comentário e vc pegou ar pelo Jay kkkkk

[@Poodlefang89]

Why not both?

[@dansando9236]

Cara, esses vídeos de comparações editam o áudio original dos vídeos do Jay, removendo a banda de fundo consequentemente remove muitas notas que o Jay faz. Eloy é muito superior, mas esse canal sacaneia editando os áudios do Jay. Não é tão sujo e sem peso assim nos vídeos originais

[@brenoLenares-yv9jv]

Notei isso no vídeo comparação de Eyeless, fez parecer que o pedal do Jay é todo troncho

[@Tiago-r6]

A intenção de todos esses vídeos de comparações é justamente rebaixar o Jay e babarem o Eloy. Galera já entendeu que isso tá dando view. Anos atrás o Jay era dito ser um bom substituto do Joey, hoje geral trata o cara como se não tivesse existido. Vai entender.

[@sonoobgameplays926]

manda o link do video original sem edição ai

[@jorginhot12]

man pior q n editam.... exemplo esse video mesmo do jay no video aqui ouve do 1:30 ao 1:34 vai ve q parece q deu uma travana nos bumbo com a caixa ja no link coloca no 2:15 e vai ate o 2:19 vai ve q tbm acontece isso. kzbin.info/www/bejne/npe7hoSrhrtgatE&ab_channel=AvedisZildjianCompany e no video anterior o foco principal era o pedal duplo q é de 15seg de duração jay faz 10seg de bumbo duplo e depois parte pros toms nas 2x pois n aguenta, ja o eloy faz igual ao album da banda os 15seg as 2x. eu sou fã dos 2 pra mim cada um tem seu estilo e seus meritos, mas o cara do canal n esta alterando som do jay pra parecer pior....

[@sonoobgameplays926]

@@jorginhot12 vlw pela informação man, o cara lá diz que é editado mas não mostra prova alguma, eu n percebi edição alguma para ''piorar'' o Jay, agora tenho certeza que não tá editado .

[@robertward6813]

Eloys pace is alot smoother without a doubt. Both great but I think we all know who is proving to be a better fit.

[@truescotsman4103]

Both of these guys get a ton of respect. I have to say Jay plays so fucking smoothly I think I like his feel better. Mor dynamic and subtle attention to nuance where Eloy is just all out all the time.

[@FiesTTaPlay]

Концер верисия и студия?

[@youdontknowmestopasking1173]

If you ever wanna hear Eloy’s great drumming in an album. Listen to Sepulturas The Mediator between head and hands must be the heart.

[@MarkJusti]

You can’t really compare the 2. Eloy is just on another level. He makes Unsainted sound so brutal since he plays it on the right tempo. Unlike Jay who always rushes the songs and has sloppy double bass. No wonder Slipknot fired him. Eloy got them back their groove. Sorry Jay fans. Just telling the truth.

[@gameling2303]

No wonder Slipknot fired him 😂. Jay is very good drummer. The reason he got fired is that he wanted more money but he isnt a founder member so they said no😂

[@MarkJusti]

@@gameling2303 lol, he’s mediocre at best. His drumtech said he struggles on double bass on some songs. Look up Heretic Anthem, he’s so sloppy he just cant finish the parts and replaces them with Fills.

[@gameling2303]

@@MarkJusti yep medicore. Probably you dont even play drums 😂

[@MarkJusti]

@@gameling2303 lol, yeah i really dont play drums. In fact I don’t even have a band at the moment. Don’t even know what a drumset looks like..😏

[@gameling2303]

@@MarkJusti then you are probably dogshit because if you were medicore you could play for slipknot. Your own logic 😏

[@artieriesterer8633]

God Eloy’s snare tone fucking kills

[@fekohut]

Eloy hits his drum like it owns him money

[@rafaelurbina5664]

All 3 drummers are awesome

[@joaquimpattonpuig3326]

Eloi is another level 🤘🏻

[@2006Whippet]

Whie Eloy is definitely in my top 5 list of favorite drummers, I'd say they both sound good. A lot of what I like about Eloy, in addition to playing, is his overall personality.

[@hewiebecker6165]

Unpopular opinion: With Jay you can make out which song is being played

[@senvguild173]

Not so unpopular

[@twiztid133]

Slipknot never have a bad drummer, all of them just have different playing styles.

[@Deolifica]

Eloy's precision and internal metronome are insane

[@francopisciotta9598]

Jay es un excelente baterista, no fue poca cosa llenar el espacio que dejó Joey pero Eloy es un animal tocando. Creo que mas alla de la técnica (ambos son excelentes) Eloy tiene una personalidad y energía que van justo con el momento que esta atravesando Slipknot actualmente

[@PiukeBass]

Jay is composer, Eloy play better him 😅.

[@marcjuarez90]

Wait till Eloy writes his parts on new material

[@xSTONYTARKx]

​@@marcjuarez90 he meant composer of the part in the video

[@m_edrums]

Eloy killing it! You can see he’s enjoying what he plays and I think he grew hearing this songs. Also Jay helped filling Joey’s throne that’s not a easy task but he done it nicely 🔥

[@jamesm5883]

Lets just say this, they're both excellent drummers with their own style. It's like comparing David Lee Roth to Sammy Haggar

[@evelynteixeira1428]

yes, and Hagar still wins! 😅

[@RightonOh]

In my country, we always say don't compare people if they have same role/position back and forth, because truth always hurt.

[@Tiago-r6]

Eu gosto de ver as comparações pois sou baterista e é massa analisar e até apreciar o som da bateria. Mas tá dando preguiça dos comentários em todos os vídeos, pois é todo mundo rebaixando o Jay e babando o Eloy, sempre os mesmos comentários, nada nada nada novo ou original. Até desrespeitar o Joey, que foi o pilar da banda e tá descansando em paz, a galera rebaixa, uma grande besteira. Metade aqui nunca nem viu uma bateria de perto, se pensar sobre.

[@jorginhot12]

Pois é as pessoas acham que pra elogiar um precisa menosprezar o outro... Mas vai comparar o trampo desses cara com outros pra vc ver o quão pistola eles ficam kkkkkkkk

[@richardsamueljordan1569]

Eloy treats those drums like it's the 1950s and they didn't have dinner on the table when he got home.

[@DuffyLONER64]

Not to diss Eloy whatsoever because he's killing it, but I think this is one of those rare instances I prefer Jay's take. The parts he wrote had a perfect balance that really helped highlight the song. Eloy's take adds a bit too many flourishes that overpower the song. Edit: On second thought... After reading the lyrics more closely, yeah Eloy's flourishes there make a lot more sense and definitely add to something. The crazy fill right after Corey screams, "Reaching out for the hand of God | But did you think you'd shake your own?" really makes sense. That's a powerful line. It's almost as if something broke inside the narrator of the song and Eloy's capturing that. I think I'm just partial to Jay's because it's the first song that got me into Slipknot

[@Kalavinka623]

It’ll be interesting how Eloy’s body holds up playing and touring like that

[@BrianGiuffre]

He did it for over a decade with Sepultura, dudes beefy for a reason

[@MrJSyer]

Dude played with Sepultura for a long time. He can keep that energy for a year like a nuclear powerplant

[@gabrejj]

Eloy is incomparable. Dude is on a league of his own.

[@Anti_Aaron21]

Jay makes it look so smooth, hence that he's a jazz drummer. Eloy plays like he fuckin hates it

[@SilkandScrooge]

If Eloy is so good why didn’t they get him instead of Jay in the first place?

[@garydobbs5159]

Amén!! Somebody here with a actual brain

[@SilkandScrooge]

@@garydobbs5159 im too lazy to google what Eloy was up to back then.

[@prathamdangi3388]

​@@SilkandScroogehe was already playing in Sepultura . Now that Sepultura has announced retirement shows , Eloy could leave the band for Slipknot

[@johnmarkgamayot4434]

​@@prathamdangi3388he can play for both bands at the same time.

[@BrianGiuffre]

@@johnmarkgamayot4434 No he could not. It's common knowledge that he was told if he were to join Slipknot, he would not be allowed to play the Sepultura "farewell" tour that the band was going to start. His interview process is well documented.

[@boomslangj]

It's gotta be tough being as good as Eloy and joining the band during arguably their worst period yet.

[@matheusc.5839]

coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb

[@Tibchy91]

I was saying it long time ago, when everybody was busy comparing Joey and Jay... Jay was too "sterile" for SlipKnot. Eloy has that extra juice the band needed.

[@brohan24]

this is like comparing a chihuahua to a belgian malinois lol

[@christclinger6540]

All this comparison talk is kind of interesting. Eloy is technically a better player. But let’s reserve our judgment until they start making music. It’s way easier to play other people’s hits than it is to write your own. Jay helped revive this band by writing a lot of good songs with slipknot. Let’s see what Eloy can do.

[@EversonBernardes]

Eloy's writing is a known quantity, tho - just listen to Sepultura's Quadra. It spans the whole spectrum of sounds Sepultura had through their career, from death metal through thrash to groove. The drumming of that album is beastly from start to end, and all of it in service of the songs. Complex yet tasteful parts, simple when needed, super intricate when called for. And groovy AF.

[@MrJSyer]

@@EversonBernardes I was about to mention Quadra. Great album.

[@BlackenedNL]

Yea Eloy clearly is miles and leagues ahead of Jay feel wise, no disrespect but some people are just better than others. And Eloy is just one of greatest drummers on earth

[@Xmenjade]

Eloy: this isnt hard/fun enough for me let me add in 50 ghostnotes in every beat because i can

[@x_peixe_x]

Ó lá o Jay tentando copiar o Eloy 😂

[@Maggot377]

The hell are u talking about?? Jay literally created this groove, so Eloy tries to copy Jay😂

[@EzequielGamerXD]

Jay que compôs isso nego, mas são dois bateristas insanos demais!!!

[@ednaldopereira5592]

​@@EzequielGamerXD seja tecnicamente, criativamente ou musicalmente, os dois não estão na mesma prateleira, Eloy é realmente um fenômeno

[@valtsantos5921]

​@@Maggot377 ele foi sarcástico cara

[@hudsonvasconcelos3237]

@@EzequielGamerXD Jay não tem crédito nas músicas do WANYK pelo que eu me lembre, acho que ele trabalhou nos arranjos que o clown/jim deram pra ele, mas composição em si não tem

[@alonthoni]

I love both. They have different style

[@Medievalfan94]

So much anger in Eloys performance, so much St. Anger... xD

[@MikeDijital]

Jealous?

[@Medievalfan94]

@@MikeDijital On his skill? Night and day, everyday. On the Snare tone in this vid? Nah, I'm good, thanks.

[@MikeDijital]

@@Medievalfan94 Did you ever think it might be the camera microphone... Or do you just wake up everyday feeling like an expert.

[@Tigerdriver91Academy]

​@@Medievalfan94I thought the same about his snare. I don't think that Mike guy understands the joke 😂

[@Tigerdriver91Academy]

​@@MikeDijitalThe comment went right over your head. You a big L 🤣

[@TransgenderTalkTime]

Eloy hits with so much power. Even the ghost notes come across so strong. The dude is a beast.

[@jesseparrish9198]

I prefer Jay only because of the similarities to Joey's playing.

[@jordirobles2976]

Where is black noir?

[@nordimejia5790]

I am not a drummer, but i really prefer Jay's style....i just like it more.

[@smoked-old-fashioned-hh7lo]

that's understandable. eloy is more of a "drummers favorite drummer" that primarily only musicians can understand and appreciate. jay is much more simple which is more attractive to non musicians. its more "radio friendly" so to speak

[@freddyrock]

​@@smoked-old-fashioned-hh7lo I think you nailed it there. From this (crappy) drummer's perspective.

[@daveburst8129]

They are both really bad ass, but the fact that Jay wrote amazing stuff is just really incredible. I'm glad that slipnot got Eloy, cuz he is amazing and nothing less would do for the band.

[@richardgonzalez3516]

To be honest Jay sounds more better than Eloy on Unsainted. Eloy is a monster everyone know this. But here Jay wins.

[@defithefuture7621]

never

[@Ironditch]

Have Eloy taken his snare sound from Metallica’s St.Anger album?

[@davstoudt_09]

Well considering Jay wrote the damn drum part, I think he does it better

[@k04n23]

He doesn't.

[@filipeneves2225]

He does better

[@NemeanIndustries]

Jay’s fills and rhythm sections are pretty bland, comparatively. Eloy adds so much more to a song he had no part in writing.

[@DuffyLONER64]

​@@NemeanIndustries I do think Jay's simplicity helps aid the song a lot, though. Doing a lot of fills isn't always a good thing for the music. (Not saying what Eloy is doing is bad and I like the flourishes where he added them, but generally speaking, there's a time and place for fills like that.)