THIS is why people have trust issues! Intel 14th Gen Review

Intel has launched it's 14th Gen Processor... which is really nothing more than a renamed 13900KS CPU with slightly more conservative power limits...
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[@kerotomas1]

I see no problem here, you pay more for your cpu so you can pay more for your electricity bill while gaining absolutely nothing. What a bargain indeed. haha

[@tunasandwhich2972]

LMAO

[@Takintomori]

Intel CPU spokespeople be like

[@Happiness-lp9fw]

>Buys amd >Get's permabanned from gaming People buy intel and nvidia for quality of life and tranquillity. Interesting how the electricity bill doesn't come up when the reviews are about amd gpus.

[@KaylonR]

@@Happiness-lp9fw driver got revoked and all people are being unbanned lol, plus that was valves issue not amds

[@clintk4691]

​@@Happiness-lp9fwoh yeah because no one has ever brought up power draw of GPU's 🙄

[@josueromerotorrico4453]

This is actually good news. The "new gen" at the same msrp will make the "old" 13 gen go down in price, making the 13600 an even better price/performance deal.

[@ceoofupfuckery.8561]

13500 should be even better p/p after this. (I'm not bitter, i'm just sad i didn't wait).

[@SpyderTracks]

Lols, this is such a fanboy response, 13th Gen is still a sucky generation no matter how you picture it, 40% more power for less performance than AMD and at a far higher cost, why would you except that you're a fanboy?

[@bogus6741]

Yeah, so happy i waited. 8600k upgrade to 13 gen for me hahha

[@deltasixgaming]

​@@SpyderTrackshe's talking about Intel

[@Kingvoakahustla]

Higher memory speed good make sure us Asus ROG MB best experience

[@rangersmith4652]

Intel has used the "50" designation before with a desktop processor that fell in between the 10700 and 10900. Remember the 10850K? It was actually a very good value when it was released.

[@jsteezy80]

I still have my 10850k and yes it was a great value at the time. Basically just a low binned 10900k and set 100Mhz lower. My second core is a turd so I optimize around it and it's held up great. That being said from then to even 12th gen the performance has gone up quite a bit with the newer cpu's so I'm not surprised to see that slow down a bit between 13th and 14th gen

[@aarliann]

I’ve got a 4790k build powering my basement VR/ home entertainment setup. ten generations old now and still puts smiles on faces.

[@MalakSaesmus]

@@aarliann I still have two 4790K systems, first one is running for 9 years now. You can OC them to hell and back, but the only problem is, it's still just 4 cores. Still, pretty good for 1080 gaming when paired with a 980ti or 1080ti.

[@TexasCat99]

But for PC companies.. they need a yearly "NEW MODEL" to sell to people. Real world difference between a top-end 4-year old CPU and new one is minimal. Less heat, usually. I paid $350 for a used ThinkPad with a 6core intel CPU thats 4 years old. It's about 10~12% slower than the 2022 model which sold for $1800. With the bonus of not using USB-C as a charge port.

[@clitmint]

@@jsteezy80 With the 10850K, you still get your 4K/60 or 1440/120 at Ultra with Maxed sliders, right? I know i did with my 10900K, and so you do not need to upgrade. It's just a waste of your hard earned money. I run a 5800X3D with a 3090, and i don't need to upgrade. I actually dismantled my 10900K system to go full time with the 5800X3D. No need to upgrade bro. Save your money.

[@SpacemanSpifff]

Jay thanks so much for your content! I’ve watched 3 reviews on the 14th gen so far and you are the only one that bothered to mention the motherboard power limit stuff. Great video and great review!

[@silvanbarrow86]

My theory is that 14th Gen is what Raptor Lake was supposed to be all along. Given that 13th Gen was put out ten months after 12th Gen, I think that was rushed out to compete with the 5800X3D. Then they tried to bargain on Meteor Lake for even more uplift, but since that isn't working out for desktop they put the refresh out as a placeholder until Arrow Lake.

[@orangepacker7479]

This was all leaked by MLID months ago xd. Not really news.Glad people are still observant though, can't let intel pool the wool over people's eyes just by calling it 14th gen lol.

[@jsnotlout3312]

Sounds about right

[@RobBCactive]

This 14th refresh is because Meteor Lake flops on desktop and wasn't really ready in time. OEMs are rushing out Phoenix Zen4 laptops. Anyway 12th gen had bugs, the Thread Director stuff wasn't working right and it needed Windows 11 so launched late after the 11th gen debacle. Adding Atom E-cores was already a desperate play brute forcing MT benchmarks with power consumption. Raptor Lake was a refinement on Alder, required to counter Zen4, fixing bugs and adding more Atom cores. Intel are trying to hang on, but Zen5 is starting to leak out now, OEMs are unimpressed by 14th and this means AMD launch a new architecture unopposed until Q4/24.

[@gojtron]

Bit of a stretch/giving them too much credit even with bad decisions.

[@RSUnicorn]

Its because intel still haven't figured out how to manufacture using euv machines at economic viable yield

[@abice4214]

13:36 it feels like you’re in better spirits doing builds, I like how you delivered this review, instructional in addition to review/benchmark. Good comparison to the 7950x too just built a pc with that, no 14th gen for me!

[@jonathonrosalia9345]

i would wait for 9000 series 7000 series is poor value and about to get its funeral and much needed price cuts

[@gasracing4000]

The end of the video was gold... "i like building computers" and "just put what you can afford in your PC" Thats as real as it gets right there

[@snapdragons7392]

exactly. go pick whatever suit your need and pocket since sometimes amd cheaper and sometimes is intel cheaper. different places have different prices

[@fingergunpewpew760]

I'm looking to build my first PC in a few months, and honestly i'm hyped for this launch because i'm hoping 13th gen will go down by like, 40 bucks. Appreciate the small things :)

[@MrWatchtower]

Just got a 5900x. Very happy with it. Don't really care about DDR5 stuff.

[@justinbroniszewski]

Just got a 7800X3D from Best Buy for $329. Gonna be a massive upgrade from my ancient Intel 2600K!

[@VNAV_PTH]

Are you gonna pair the 7800X3D with a GTX570 from the old system? 😅

[@VNAV_PTH]

Jokes aside, I still have a 3930K and a GTX580 in good running condition myself 😊

[@Joeteck]

Hard to cool, and only for gaming.

[@yourfavoritelawnguy2722]

@@Joeteck Patrick P. Gelsinger is that you?

[@Joeteck]

@@yourfavoritelawnguy2722No. CEO and founder of JoeteckTips... But close..

[@KAXGaming]

As someone still rocking a 9th Gen Intel I just watch your videos for info for when I finally upgrade. So glad that I do, thank you Jay. please keep it up.

[@KanHazKat]

I am excited for this release just because the pricing is so close between 13th and 14th gen and the performance isn't much of an improvement. I'm looking for a Micro Center bundle deal on the 13700k/13900k or 7900X around Black Friday. I sure hope those prices drop a fair bit by then.

[@DJrockfield]

same, hopefully they'll lower the 13900k bundle. Im looking at the 12900k rn but if the 13th gen becomes a better deal i might just do that.

[@58long]

13700k bundle just dropped $50

[@trademarktmel]

@@58longi just wish the 13700k bundle came with a better mobo...

[@58long]

Me too, I'll never buy Asus boards again after the RMA experience I had with them. Wish Microcenter would stop putting Asus in the bundles.

[@m4nc1n1]

I have the 13700K and the 7900X. Bothare really good, but the 7900X is a beast

[@Solrac-Siul]

It is supposed to be refresh, and that is what it is. Jay makes a good point in regards the power profile, most MB manufacturers have automated settings that will make the cpu pull up to 200 watts more than intended, for minimal gains in performance and much higher temperatures. I have seen benchmarks of the 14700k pulling 500 watts for often 3% better performance than what it gets when consuming 250-300. Asus is normally the largest culprit , but msi is starting to do the same.

[@nalleholm]

Congrats to i9 13900K owners you already have i9 14900K a year ago.

[@denveradams4909]

When I was building a full-size PC last December, I went with the 13,900K and I am happy with it. I'll stick with it for the foreseeable future.

[@adamhellman7460]

Why is your radiator upside down on that desk pc? Great content keep it up.

[@HiQualityH2O]

Exactly. Best thing ever said by a content creator put whatever you can afford into your build.

[@daviddesrosiers1946]

I have a 12900K and I'm on the fence. I want the cores because I don't just game, I do a lot of media exporting and the core count makes a difference, but I'm wondering if I wouldn't be just fine getting a 13900K and overclocking the snot out of it? I'm water cooled with gobs of thermal capacity, so heat isn't a worry.

[@NextLevelNeo]

i would have loved to see the 12900k on the comps just to see how much difference the 13 was compared the the 14th increase. do you guys have the i7 14th gen yet?

[@clitmint]

These guys likely sell their gifted samples (gifted meaning they get to keep those ones) on ebay after a while. Which is theirs to do as they please with, but i mention it just so everyone knows they do NOT need your 'donations' or for you to buy their grift merch to keep them going. Ad-rev is more than enough already.

[@ExecratedPlaysGaming]

​@@clitmintWait, businesses exist to make money?

[@twiistedpanda4781]

​@@clitmintblud just learned what businesses do And you can buy their merch only if you want to lol, I bought from them and from other youtubers merch and it was pretty good (specifically the kvm switch I bought I just can't remember from who)

[@clitmint]

@@ExecratedPlaysGaming Businesses do exist to make money. I run 2, and take the occasional home-improvement jobs when they pop up, like fitting bathrooms/kitchens for example. However, business men/women asking for donations, are con-artist grifters. That's my point. They con you with their emotional pleading, then grift off the suckers who bought it.

[@clitmint]

@@twiistedpanda4781 Oh there's merch (stuff that's helpful and useful and is equal or less than other prices), and then there's grift merch which is overpriced stuff (good or bad) or junk, which is ALWAYS overpriced. You can tell which is which by comparing prices with other like-items on different stores. Like the Linus screwdriver BS, that's pure grift merch. Linus, and all these other big techtubers know, there's plenty of mindless lemming fanboys out there to soak money out of, and so the grift merh does well. Other types of grift merch would be the usual t-shirts, mugs, flasks, waterbottles, posters, keychains.

[@Seriouspup]

Jay I really appreciate the add in the middle of the video instead of the start. We usually have to watch 2 adds before the video even plays and getting slapped with a third is kinda frustrating.

[@dianaalyssa8726]

13900KS = 14900K + a slight bump, close enough to being twins though. Think I'm staying with 12900KF.

[@benjamind547]

What resolution are you running with that 12900KF btw?

[@dradfulboss]

overclock the 13900KS and you have matched the 14900K or very very close to oc'ing is free (assuming you had a beefy cooler already, as you should for a 13900KS)

[@MrVlodato]

@@benjamind547 wouldn't CPU usage go down as the resolution goes up anyway?

[@benjamind547]

@@MrVlodato Sure. But I mean if you're going to buy a 14900K / 13900K / 7950X or something like that, you're more than likely going to pair it with a 7900 XTX or a 4090. The reason I mention the resolution here is because it just seems like a waste of money to get those GPU's and play on anything less than 4K because there are more affordable/sensible purchases that work perfectly well with 1440p or even 1080p - 13600K, 14600K, 7600/7600X or even a 7800X3D for future proofing as it's not crazy expensive compared to a 13600K. The 7700/7700X doesn't really make any sense to me given that it's literally only £50 less than a 7800X3D atm.

[@Need4FPS]

My undervolted 13900ks has almost same multicore score as this 14900k. Reckon if I unleash it, remove the negative offset and increase LLC a bit, would beat it without a doubt

[@LeicaM11]

So why did Intel not include the AV1 HW encoder and a quad channel Memory access (to already on the module dual channeled DDR5)? This would have given a significant advantage and benefit. I do love my i7-13700h in permanent 65W and nearly the same performance and a much much better iGPU for OpenCL calculations.

[@toewdy]

Thanks for the video! I haven't been able to find much about a topic you brought up surrounding ASUS motherboards and MultiCore Enhancement. What setting should I use if I'm primarily gaming on a 13900k with a 360mm AIO? Thanks!

[@piccolojiggolo1421]

What kind of timeline do you think it will be for them to drop the 13th gen price? Theyve already dropped it some but kinda waiting to see if they drop it more. Had high hopes for the 14700k with more core but the let me down...so on sale 13700k it is lol.

[@Destination_666]

The 14700k is what has my attention if it can hold the same or better clock speed while adding 4 more cores.

[@SecretAsianMan2222]

I'm really happy to hear this because I'm about to build a new PC, upgrading from a 4th Gen i5, so knowing I can save a buck on the 13th gen is pretty awesome.

[@Bareego]

Lots of people moving to mini pcs now, the latest Ryzen 7xxx series like 7735HS and 7840HS really kick ass considering their small size and price. I'd recommend doing some shows on those.

[@DizConnected]

If they had named it the 13950x then they couldn't say "Hay look we supported the 12th, 13th, and 14th gen CPUs ON THE SAME PLATFORM!"

[@obiwanyutuben]

Exactly.

[@ryanschultz0328]

This blows my mind. This is a technology company at the quite literal forefront of INNOVATION, and this is the kind of tech we are presented with.

[@PetalzFall]

I very much appreciate Jay keeping us consumers informed. Thank you 🙏

[@brianm2578]

I wonder if they'll be able to bin any KS chips for the 14900

[@kjdtm]

it might have the 13th gen core, but it could also have added functionality that OS like windows will use only if the CPU identifies it self as Gen14th

[@william19990910]

Why didn’t Jay include the 7800x3d. It trumps the 14900k in cost and performance per watt and only a couple percent slower.

[@bigmike4133]

After shelling out the dough for a 13900k and a 4090 all on water. Kind of don't want to upgrade a thing until it's time to upgrade the whole damn thing, Haha

[@pranavgaming2737]

I love the Halloween video part, can you share that? Is ut something you build or used something available

[@Oknaw]

Yeah, it will be nice to see build videos. Different price points would be nice too to get an idea of how much performance you can squeeze into a budget. I’m in desperate need to build an updated PC (currently on 4th gen Intel and DDR3 RAM), but I can’t afford cutting edge tech now that babies will be on the way.

[@TheMsdos25]

FYI, you can still find new 12th gen CPUs for sale which are $100 cheaper than the same tier of 13th/14th.

[@kaeldorWL]

As frustrating as it might be for us, I can see one argument for calling these 14th gen: Making it obvious, which are their latest CPUs. Given the complexity of the CPU numbering, a simple "-R" for "refresh" or similar changes wouldn't really stand out - as fitting as that might be. As an experiment: Take a look at the Haswell CPU numbers and try to tell at a glance which of those are from the Haswell Refresh.

[@Ravenousjoe]

90 is bigger than 70, people are going to buy that one at the same price.

[@HowDidThisHappenNow]

AMD 7800X3D pulls about 80W and is a hard match for Intels 14th gen top that can pull 320W....

[@groenevinger3893]

sure you know what your talking about?

[@Zombie101]

Lol it won't pull that in gaming, most likely 40w more in those loads

[@exolivewire78]

@JayzTwoCents Intel just released a refresh of their MSRP, expect it to have a discount by this time next year.

[@2Syndras1Cup]

Kinda curious how it performs if you donwclock it to a 13900k and undervolt it, the power draw is important to me or I will have to go to AMD

[@Whoever_knows]

Was waiting for this before upgrading. Think now I’ll just pick up a cheaper 13th gen

[@paddlesouth]

Get a 12th gen. It's more than enough if your building a gaming or editing PC. Mine is way more than I need paired with my 4070.

[@Whoever_knows]

@@paddlesouth 12700k is my current processor

[@jyi9929]

14900k is currently selling 30 dollars （canadian） more than the 13900k， maybe wait for a bit for the price to drop.

[@groenevinger3893]

what a bad tip.. @@paddlesouth

[@Emyrtemoc]

Like Jay say if you don't have the 13th gen then it's okay for the upgrade. Not worth the upgrade from the 13th gen since it only gain a little performance. It's like buying a car. If the new model still using the same motor, it's not really an upgrade. It's just an update.

[@marcysubstitute181]

Honestly used the 14700k to build my first ever PC, love it so far. When pricing I was seeing practically no price difference between the Generation. Your channel and Linus were the ones that inspired me to finally build a Computer, Thank You ^.^

[@figureitoutpunk]

14K in all bench marks is out performing the 13K by at least 20 FPS, this guy is a trendy pro AMD intel hater, he talked about AMD being a piece of shit basically because it can't handle memory but at the same time promotes AMD. Stick to your 14K it's a superior processor to AMD's trash lately and 13K, don't buy the crap real world talks.

[@TheRealXXDarknezz]

​@@figureitoutpunkIntel 13th or 14th gen is just objectively worse than AMD's current gen. If you look at temps and power draw to performance, that is. Intel currently uses ridiculous amounts of power and overheats very fast

[@Stealthcastlandon]

Don't know if you'll see this comment, but what are you using to cool your 14700k?

[@TranceCore3]

I'm using a H100i to cool mine. Still hits 100c during stress testing, but during gaming it runs fine.@@Stealthcastlandon

[@Riyozsu]

​@@figureitoutpunkyou don't know how comparisons work, the 14th gen has single percent uplifts, just agree with rest of us that Intel is just giving us a hotter chip for no performance upgrade. The 7800x3d beats every consumer cpu in gaming and 7950x beats every consumer cpu for productivity and efficiency. 14k is superior alright, superior trash.

[@sadravin1]

i just bought a laptop from Origin. It has the i9 13gen with the 4090. I was nervous to see the 14th gen come out, but now im happy 😊. I hate the “obsolete before you open the box” with computers.

[@willclark491]

Reminds me of a cartoon I saw with the caption "Inside the Intel Pentium III factory" (or very close to that) The picture was a conveyor belt loaded with Pentium IIs being "processed" by painting another stroke on them to make them IIIs.

[@rapidrotation]

I've got nowhere near the budget or need for a chip like this, but it's always interesting to see how things are going on the cutting edge of consumer tech. Shame that it's bad advertising, but even small improvements to efficiency and thermals are welcomed. I'll stick to my 7600x for the next few years and see where things are closer to the end of the decade, though XD

[@lance4862]

Not at a $300 difference in price. This is just Intel trying to respond to AMD who at least has a use case for more cores but only one has the VRAM makes for some problems practically.

[@karintosco]

I already buy it... and i think its worth it depends on your situation... i have the 4790k from 10 years ago and its time for an upgrade, initialy i wanted the 13900k but the 14900k is only 49€ or 52$ more in my country (spain) so i think its worth it for me. Cant wait to have my new PC

[@user-xl6yo5dr6p]

52 is just 4 beers haha

[@karintosco]

@@user-xl6yo5dr6p i dont drink alcohol so i rather buy cpus hahaha

[@phrank2010]

upgrading from a 9700k to a 14700k next week. I appreciate the honesty, definitely eye opening but the prices are so similar between 13 and 14 gen i may as well get the 'newest' CPU available

[@Edsel1134]

Building a new rig and runing a 790 mb and getting a 14th gen i9. Judt because im coming from an 11th gen i7 gaming laptop. Great video as always!

[@rhynlock11]

As a 8th gen user that is seeing the last days of his I5 I think that the slight increase in performance at the same price sounds promising, obviously not what I expected. Maybe I can get a nice deal on 13th gen

[@Overlord277]

I'm on 6th gen. GTX 1070. Getting 60fps on low and some medium for Warhanmer Dark Tide. Good optimized games like Forza Horizon 5 run at 60fps Extreme.

[@aseidinfo]

@@Overlord277 good on you, keep it going as long as possible!

[@BrianTelleraineCarson]

Interesting side note Jay, in a recent ASUS bios update for AMD, they changed PBO to "AI Optimized". I flashed my bios 2 weeks ago, and reran Cinebench r23 just to see how it changed my scores. After it ran, saw a score increase of nearly 2k on my 7700x. I went from mid 18000's to low 20000's

[@sonicfind]

Oh word? 7950x don’t fail me now

[@Fossillarson]

Woke up my 6700xt 😅 5900x is locked into all cores same speed stable. Guess I'm try and turn the cpu turbo back on and send it lol 😅

[@DirkBelig]

Which mobo? I just looked and see that my X670E-E got BIOS 1709 five days ago, so I'll have to try that. When I built my 7900X rig in February, my initial R23 benchmark was over 29000 (can't recall what BIOS version and the old ones are gone now), but subsequently I'd sometimes be as low as 27000s or low 28000s range depending on which EXPO setting I used. (EXPO I seems fastest for me.) Been on 1602 for two months but before that I had to use 1416 with SoC voltage manually locked at 1.25V cuz 1516 was so unstable that I would only successfully boot one in three or four times, Windows would get corrupted and require a Restore rollback, and it'd even freeze in BIOS. Just awful.

[@BrianTelleraineCarson]

Same as you 670E-E

[@DirkBelig]

@@BrianTelleraineCarson Then you updated less than 5 days ago, not two weeks, but no biggie. Thanks for the tip.

[@TwiejkVR]

Hello Jay, Great insights here! Was about to buy a 14th gen, now.... not so much. Is there a chance you've heard about the Intel Core i9 13900KF series having issues? I've been having these odd power management issues, where if its in "high performance mode" It just crashes everything in its path that even remotely CPU heavy. Also, running the "extreme tuning utility" and running the score test on high performance, instantly shuts down my pc. I've been googling, but hear about defective 13900 series ? Keep up the great work!

[@braunXYZ]

14th gen does have one extra: APO. That is only 14th gen and only 14700 and 14900 series. How much that will affect how many games on Windows has to be seen because the hardware side seems to be a bit ahead of the software side. But if it works as advertised fine-tuned scheduling for a particular application can have quite an impact on the performance. But AFAIK the software side is still TBA.

[@mrtuk4282]

I am happy with my 7950X running @105w ECO mode, PBO -15, runs cool, My Geekbench6 scores different to yours Jayz - SC =2984, MC.=19,365 - not as quick as Intel but a darn sight lower power draw and heat output - ASUS B650E-E Corsair 64Gb 5600 CAS 40 !

[@ViciousXUSMC]

This matters a lot for someone like me who uses a computer all day in a home office. I traded in my color calibrated photo monitors and downgraded to LED panels just to save power and thus much much less heat in my room. Working or gaming in a sauna is no fun.

[@iequalsnoob]

Typical fanboy that is having buyers remorse response right here hahaha

[@Doflaminguard]

​@@iequalsnoobenjoy 300w power draw then lmao.

[@mrtuk4282]

@@iequalsnoob - enjoy unlimited power draw from Gen 14 - 400w - rofl for that little bit of extra performance !

[@shofla]

Most compelling thing about 14th gen would be better DDR5 stability. Would be interesting to see some RAM overclocking tests

[@NinjAsylum]

Oh you poor sweet summer child. I have some very bad news for you. There is ZERO improved DDR5 Stability. Its actually worse than 13th gen.

[@shofla]

@@NinjAsylum Source? 14900k has 96 GB/s memory bandwidth 13900KS has 89.6 GB/s

[@Dar1usz]

it have problems like 2nd gen of amd cpu had with DDR4, system even wont boot so who cares about bandwidth@@shofla

[@AshLordCurry]

I swear that's the reason why I stayed in DDR4 with my 13900K, but people still ask why I didn't went with DDR5 with today's price, STABILITY.

[@shofla]

@@Dar1usz Again source? I haven't seen anything like that, and the CPU's have been available for only a few days.

[@Light-Bringer907]

I have a 14900k on an Asus board and the stupid thing pulls 1.413vcore on default settings. Jay, can you please do a video explaining the power settings your talking about in this video?

[@Aeschynite]

Did Jay just confirm you dont need to flash the bios on the Z790 motherboards to get a 14900k to work? Bought an extra 12400 just in case i needed to flash the firmware temporarily on my brand new ordered MSI Z790I EDGE mITX board. (coming from 11th gen so i dont have the existing board with 12th/13th gen)

[@WatchMeBURNFuel]

So I'm going from a 9900k to the 14900k. My 14900k already shipped. I'm happy tbh. I've had the 9900k since release. I like to upgrade every 5 years...Should I have waited for the 15th? I was debating it. The 15th should in theory be a LARGE improvement....but I just want to run my FS2020 at 60 frames 4k and be able to edit my videos a bit faster for now. I think it's worth it for me coming from the 9900...but I agree, coming from anything 12k or above, it's not worth it. Wait for the 15th if you're on the 12th or 13th gen.

[@a120068020]

You can always wait for the next thing.... I still run the 9900ks at work and its a long way behind my 13900k / 13900ks systems at home.

[@brianm2578]

When you're ready to build, just pull the trigger. There will always be something newer and faster coming out. If you're waiting at least 5 years between builds that means a new motherboard due to a cpu socket change anyway

[@TPGMatt]

You didn’t have to buy a 14th gen CPU to run MSFS at 60fps and edit videos. But I’m not going to bash you for making that decision. All the best with your new CPU.

[@Alpha8713]

I went from the 9900k to the 13900k and that upgrade was totally worth it. Something like 3x the performance. I'm sure that you will be thrilled with the 14900k.

[@khaos555]

Nice I also upgrade every 5 years and since mine was back in 2018 with the 9900k It was time to upgrade but I ended up getting the i9 13900KS, honestly the 14th gen not worth from the 13th gen so I will upgrade again in the next 4-5 years unless my system goes bad

[@Larry_Owlmann]

New Intel marketing idea: it’s getting colder out, heat your house even more inefficiently than last year with no gain to performance!

[@jmhofmeyr]

Hey guys. Can you do a video on motherboard sound vs usb or pci sound cards, DAC's and so on. Just the different ways to have great sound and what is unnecessary or overkill.

[@Gr00t]

Got a great deal on a 13700kf a week ago so good to hear im not missing out on much lol.

[@Wiganpilot]

I have just purchased a RYZEN 9 5900x to upgrade from my RYZEN 5 3600xt, I also purchased an NZXT Kraken Elite 280 to keep it cool. I am pretty confident that I made a good choice given the poor showing from Intel, and I am not really made of money.

[@ChrisLove887]

I upgraded to the 5900x a year ago after running my 2600 into the ground😂 and I love it. I’ll upgrade to 8000 series in a couple years probably cause I’m not made of money either

[@GraveUypo]

well, if it was for gaming, you'd been way better off with a 5800x3d. like, a lot.

[@Wiganpilot]

@@GraveUypo I know, but the 5900x was at the right price and will do what I require.

[@billbollinger3748]

I feel like we may have just hit another space in time like 2010/11 to 2015, where noone made bigger and better cpus (as in more cores and more threads), just more efficient. I honestly would be ok with that. Diamond and glass boards over classic silicon, among a multitude of other technologies, might be something that will be the next true leap. What interesting yet uncertain times we are in.

[@marktate2683]

That is kind of where I am at right now with most things tech. Don't drop something for the sake of dropping it and repackaging half baked goods. I would prefer a 2 or 3 year gap between hardware drops versus every year on the dot. I told my gf no way she is getting an iphone 15 for this reason.

[@sk8er100100]

I am very much not "okay with that" tbh. 2010-2015 is when AMD was in a rut with their products and intel stagnated their releases even claiming that it wasn't possible to fit more than 4c8t on a consumer cpu (I hope we can all agree now that their claims were clearly false on this) we're leaving a period where we had competition and going back to a similar state to this. I'd rather have both companies fighting to improve their products, not one sitting on their ass without improving (currently amd) and the other so far behind that they are UNABLE to innovate past their competitor (intel) I really can't wrap my head round how the state of things can be seen as a positive tbh

[@billbollinger3748]

@sk8er100100 I was more so meaning that I would be ok with 3 or 4 years of just efficiency improvements for power consumption and the like. We have had incremental improvements, but I think each of these companies doing a release every year just to release stuff needs to stop. They obviously need some time to produce real worth while improvements. Intel, AMD, Nvidia, all of them. All Nvidia did this last time was essentially give a slight power efficiency per core and then just through more on for the high-end gpus and cut cuda cores and other things for the lower end, and have essentially given nothing for better options to lower than mid high range cards. Amd kinda did the same, and Intels gpus are still having growing pains. What the industry needs now in a drive to keep its current power house peak, but get power consumption under control. Every industry needs a plato at some point to trully build a platform to launch a trully 'next gen' process

[@chucky_stiers]

I am building a new pc first was going for ASUs rog formula z690 and a 13900k but now see yesterday that the motherboard is not available anymore and so decide to go for the z790 instead am going for a 4080 rog strix oC edition. But now doubt if I not better go for a 14900k or should I go . What processor you recommend to go for ?

[@anthonypllu3864]

would like to see how they overclock, i have a 13900k, have undervolted to keep temps down but cant get much more clock out of it over stock even with temps staying in the low 70s

[@Jason-ol1ty]

We were promised 3 gens for this Intel socket. Instead we got 2.1 gens.

[@yomiiiu]

Next socket intel will give 1.2 gens, classic

[@44R0Ndin]

@@yomiiiu Can't wait for Intel to give us a socket that changes mid-generation. So we'll have less than a whole generation for the single type of socket (and motherboard). At that point I'd be tempted to file suit against Intel for actively anti-consumer business practices, and violation of truth in advertisement laws (after obtaining legal counsel).

[@lharsay]

Thay never promised 3 gens, only 2. Meteor Lake was supposed to come out now on the new LGA1851 socket.

[@bartolomeothesatyr]

I still haven't found a personal use case that has made me feel compelled to upgrade my i7-6700 from late 2015. The fact that it isn't "ready for Windows 11" just means it doesn't bug me to "upgrade" to the advertising platform and data harvesting tool masquerading as an operating system that is Win11. I'm migrating to some flavor of Linux when Windows 10 reaches EOL.

[@aaronhutson2351]

I have been running Pop-OS on my old 6700k, I like it a lot more than windows. There is a learning curve with Linux, but I am not going back to Windows. My cooling fans alone run near silent unless I load the system, couldn't ever say that with Windows. Going to see how it all works with my new machine once my last parts arrive and I can build it.

[@stevenmartin4889]

I’d have been on Linux a very long time ago if gaming on it was worth a damn but I’ve been largely disappointed with how much work it takes just even get it “barely playable” in my opinion. And lack of graphics card controls, without a ton of work? I’m good. I’ll just remove everything I don’t need from windows 11 as I’ve done since the start

[@bartolomeothesatyr]

I might end up dual-booting Windows 11 if any of the games I want to play are grossly incompatible with Linux, but I don't foresee myself daily-driving it. I hear the work that Valve has done on the Proton compatibility layer since the success of the Steam Deck has made Linux gaming much more seamless these days, @stevenmartin4889 .

[@davide4725]

Bro you can quit with the Windows 11 conspiracies. It's the same user experience and you can bypass the Microsoft account requirement.

[@bartolomeothesatyr]

@@davide4725 The fact that you can opt out of the advertising platform and data harvesting tools baked into Windows 11 by jumping through some annoying and unintuitive hoops in order to bypass the M$ account login IN NO WAY excuses the fact that it is, by default, an advertising platform and data harvesting tool. That isn't a conspiracy theory, it's the Microsoft business model.

[@PackageFromChina]

Thanks for this video ... I have 12e gen so .. 14e is a great upgrade then.. Awesome !

[@Plague_GG]

Looking forward to the Gaming Mat being back in stock

[@Nekminute]

Guess ill wait on 15th gen xD

[@benjamind547]

These high-end CPU's are such a niche market for those on a 4K resolution monitor or for those doing heavy productivity. The vast majority of people should realistically just go out and get a 7600 or 7600X and that's more than adequate I think. Failing that, if they can land a 13600K on sale or a 13700K for future proofing, even better. The 7800X3D is a sensible price right now, so maybe even pairing one of them with a 7900 XT is viable.

[@jamesp1389]

Just got a 13700k from an 8600k and obviously a massive difference 😁

[@xXWillsW1LYXx]

I'm still rocking one of those 8700K's you mentioned lol. Trying to figure out if it's holding back my RTX 3090 at all not upgrading to DDR5 RAM and a 14th gen CPU.

[@iamme2072]

Well, I agree with your assessment. What I'm finding is that there isn't that much compelling tech out there today. CPU refreshes and GPUs that are only marginally better (personally not that impressed by framegen tech) aren't going to keep buyers buying. I have to ask, has PC gaming hardware plateaued?

[@TrumpetinDude]

Until more ARM CPUs come out, I'd say yes

[@dkh9160]

In Jay we trust!

[@hasyidanparamananda]

100% trust issue to every brand

[@oweny7814]

Yay I enjoy watching you build PCs

[@sublime2craig]

Der Bauer just showed how his Asus Z790 Heros PL1 and PL2 settings are pretty much set to unlimited unless you go into bios and set them yourselves . His 14900k had a max power usage of 343 watts! Insane especially when compared to the 7800x3d amd its power usage...

[@GTRdeamon]

Rocking a 5950X. Sure 14900K is desently faster than my 5950X, specially in some games. But the power consumption and heat output is a deal breaker for me. 14900K use to much power compared to 5950X. I'll wait for 15 gen before any upgrade to intel at least. Maybe zen 5 perhaps.

[@adamkares7549]

Nice one Jay, it sickens me too a bit when such massive corporations resort to such sleazy marketing to basically scam people into an overpriced 13th gen in this case. Intel and nVidia both need an intervention for their creative marketing practices.

[@4DCResinSmoker]

So upgrading from my z390 MB to generation 14, it's really worth it. So is it better to go 13th generation or just wait a year for whatever is released next? Also, what is the best performance non-OC'd CPU / MB / RAM combo currently avalible?

[@jonathanrichard5478]

Im still on the i9-9900k and i dont have issues yet with it but im might consider it for a next build tho

[@strongislandx]

but thats why they called it a refresh, its not really marketed as a next gen cpu, next year they are even changing the naming scheme. I feel like in the past Intel did this because they had no competition and no reason to innovate, but this time I feel like they just didnt have next gen ready in time. Also some gens with a yearly release schedule have to be small uplifts in performance, you cant go from 12th gen to 13th gen type improvements every year, I just dont think thats possible, I think they have to go back to the tick tock approach, they did away with it to get to a certain level to make sure they keep up with amd , but I think to keep price and power usage down they have to go back to a tick tock sort of approach. Where every 2 years is the big upgrade and in between just process refinement.

[@philwithcheese]

AMD has had significant performance increase every generation of Ryzen. It can be done. Ryzen 8000 is currently expected to have 10%+ increase in IPC over Ryzen 7000. If AMD can do it then Intel has the $ to do it too.

[@DarkEnigma1115]

This whole gen on both CPUs and GPUs have been disappointing.

[@NeVErseeNMeLikEDis]

Not amd cpus

[@joshuagreer8046]

​@@NeVErseeNMeLikEDis amen to that my 7900x has been a dream

[@DarkEnigma1115]

@@NeVErseeNMeLikEDis To be fair, that's last gen. 13th gen intel wasn't this bad of a generational uplift. 8000 series Ryzen CPUs, from the leaks, are looking bad too.

[@nicholaswicks3077]

Nah 4090 is a beast best gpu I’ve ever owned

[@NeVErseeNMeLikEDis]

@DarkEnigma1115 if they turn out bad I'm sure it be aleast 10x better than this one , in gains that is.

[@starfleetau]

Last few years I've gone from (in the house) a 7700 and a 8700kf to a 12700/13700 and the wife was seeing the 14th gen stuff 'did we just buy you outdated stuff already'. My response was "nope, 14th gens just slightly better 13th, what I have works and works well." That in the ends the big thing, if it works for you than it works for you and that's all that matters. I'd love to see some more mid tier builds etc from you Jay, maybe showing some interesting things that you can do with AIO's etc to make the case look better, I know that for me personally I'd love to be able to do a custom loop and have everything look exactly how I want, but the price difference between say a Lian Li Galahad 360 and a 'custom' loop is just way to much especially in this day and age of inflation.

[@jerryvondoom33]

Currently running a 10900k and picked up a 14900k, so I’m not mad a the minor differences from 13th gen.

[@sogood4u489]

4 years ago I never thought I would go amd but with Nvidia's complete disregard for there customers and Intel's stagnation I'll be going 7800x3d and 7900 xtx. Vote with your dollars.

[@xgomz]

I wish YT people with access to these CPUs invested more time into providing useful information about the CPU's themselves and less ranting about a name.

[@WayStedYou]

Hardware unboxed and gamers nexus.

[@44R0Ndin]

If you want that, Gamers Nexus is thataway. (Jay and Gamers Nexus are on good terms with each other).

[@jameswhitehead6758]

How does 14th gen deal with 4 sticks of high capacity DDR5 vs. 13th gen? That's what I'm interested in.

[@MikeyDunn]

Went 13th gen a few months ago after seeing reports that 14th would essentially just be a refresh, was still on 2nd gen so had to build something anyway. Probably won't be doing another build for 5-10 years again.

[@Agent4OuRights]

Come on Jay, let 13th Gen identify as 14th Gen. It's 2023.

[@snipe05]

Does the new 14th gen fix the memory controller issues with having 4 dimms of high speed ram installed?

[@jamestiller]

speaking of wattage, yesterday running Cine'24 my 13900KS was pulling 480+ Watts.

[@buckhammer5897]

I'm still rocking my 9900k with my 3080ti... would it be a better idea to upgrade to the 13.5 gen since 14th is up a refined version? Or wait until the newer 15th that will be a new idea

[@davidandrew6855]

I have to agree with @lurch789 There is nothing you really can't play with that 9900K even now, and unless you are chasing FPS or needing to do some serious productivity/content creation work, I would certainly wait.

[@troymclean9597]

But how do you know which pieces go with what parts?! ( buy a motherboard which processor will work on it, or style of ram.

[@devimapie]

I have been looking forward to this Refresh. I have a 10900KF in my rig right now, so I'm going to be looking at the 14900k to go with my 4080

[@runh3r0run]

Something completely off topic… more of a question. Does it sound correct for a full EKWB loop, d5 pumps , dual 400mm res, a 4080 gpu water block, 5800X3D AM4 cpu block, and 360/480rad with acrylic tubes costing $1100+ with all connections? Am I adding my parts up correctly or is it too much? Thanks to anyone who responds

[@markanthonyuy4457]

I currently have a i7 9700k and mainly play a handful of games, OW2, Modern Warfare and that's about it. Would it be worth upgrading my whole setup to a 14th gen or maybe even a 13th gen? Also have a 3080 TI GPU as well.

[@pillar406]

Jay, I was able to purchase an i9-12900k and I have an MSI board. Would I need to change my power limits in my BIOS? I'd I need to what should I change it to

[@corbett666]

I'm just about to build a new gaming rig, so going for the 14th gen, just because the price is so similar, I might as well and its better performance per watt. They didn't make much of a fuss on this launch to be fair. I'd agree its not a whole new gen at all though. Great coverage as always.

[@CtrlAtlDel]

I am still on i7 2600 with 32GB ram and running 8+ VM's all time on hyper-v. Researching as I am considering upgrade just for windows 11 and Virtualization

[@basook6116]

Jay, did you think that this is limit ti what Intel chips can do?? I am sure there will be 15th gen. but what is performances???