"this game is dominated by archers" *20s later* "I'm surprised no one uses monks"
@lexlex443 жыл бұрын
I don't like how they look
@animasiunfdh71303 жыл бұрын
Monks is powerfull bro, you can't use monks like me
@Honeyhoney-nn4ki3 жыл бұрын
@@abdallahelsharkawy3701 they r cheap..but the problem is the higher their number the hard to control
@abdallahelsharkawy37013 жыл бұрын
@@Honeyhoney-nn4ki welp, im a very late game attacker so id need armies in the hundreds anyways
@Honeyhoney-nn4ki3 жыл бұрын
@@abdallahelsharkawy3701 well every one has their own choice.nice
@lakecityransom3 жыл бұрын
Shields in the towers was a big design mistake in this game really. 'You were supposed to destroy the tower archers, not join them!' :D
@AnimaliumKingdom2 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@makhdoom652 жыл бұрын
True 😂
@samphunter2 жыл бұрын
I genuinely never even thought of trying putting shields on towers. It's just something that obviously should not be possible :D :D
@TheBrickagon2 жыл бұрын
What about catapulting those towers? 😂
@retrogamer25032 жыл бұрын
@@samphunter actually it's quite genius. It's a good tactic that could theoretically even be useable in real life.
@asw50254 жыл бұрын
Horse archers with shields stonks
@fantasymapping75353 жыл бұрын
or Fire ballistas with shields but its not so mobile and shields cant catch up too them moving them together. but once formed together its unstoppable.
@albanysienasputra31233 жыл бұрын
Very very very very strong but, if hit by the mangonel instan dead :(
@pointlessstriker57213 жыл бұрын
Just a casual ananas match
@sethroseblood94563 жыл бұрын
Crossbows with shield on the walls
@MrPathorn3 жыл бұрын
@@fantasymapping7535 Catapult says hi!!!
@Rufgaudas3 жыл бұрын
Mangonel for me is an S++ tier in small maps, where your towers can reach enemy base - it's such an devastating siege unit, once you get like 3-4 towers close to enemy base with Mangonels - it's simply GG; - no cost for small stones, stones almost 1 shot everything and they also do siege damage over time. You can simply target fire some ground path in enemy base, and go macro your base. You look at enemy after 5mins, and you see deserted base with lord alone in the keep
@TheBrickagon2 жыл бұрын
So true 😂😂
@holdmybeer51652 жыл бұрын
hahahahha I did that too xd
@brosephbroheim6428 Жыл бұрын
Yup lol I completely crippled The Wazir on The Big One with a mangonel tower next to the sea.
@tugrulserhat Жыл бұрын
makes the enemy waste gold on stone for repairing walls constantly and it's gg in a few mins. best tool in small maps indeed.
@99jean884 жыл бұрын
My only disagreement is Assassins: - They are vulnerable against arrows. - Have you heard about our lord and saviour, the moat?
@Jefflenious4 жыл бұрын
Yes moat counters a lot of melee units in this game, being invisible and having one of the highest DPSes in the game is still cool though.
@FinleyFawkes3 жыл бұрын
@@Jefflenious plus they do extra damage against armored units
@MrPablosek3 жыл бұрын
Not only the moat, you can place a lower wall and then a normal wall as well. Assassins will turn stupid mode on and climb on lower walls but won't be able to climb higher. And also caliph easily counters an assassin only army with his pitch. It's still unstoppable if you didn't prepare for a 300 assassin attack but you gotta spend time to replenish them after each battle meanwhile with horse archers not so much.
@retrogamer25033 жыл бұрын
Yeah but for me the biggest advantage is that they are fast, I normally don't use europeans, because the weapon workshops take up too much space and I am a great producer of bread, so the mills and bakeries take up enough space as it is, and I don't use too many resources on my castle in order to sell as many of them as I can, so when I kill all the units of an enemy, I send in assassins to kill the lord, because they are really quick............
@retrogamer25033 жыл бұрын
And assasins are very cheap as well.
@damon91283 жыл бұрын
Another great aspect about pikemen is their ability to sap, so you can fill moats in even under heavy fire
@FinleyFawkes3 жыл бұрын
I always thought shields are useless, but damn, putting them on towers seems kinda op even
@MrPablosek3 жыл бұрын
It is. Against bots at the beginning of the game I place a single tower with a mangonel/ballista depending on how close to the enemy castle it is, 20 crossbowmen, 10 shields and 10 arabian bowmen. Unstoppable defense unless the enemy starts mashing you with mangonels too and you don't get rid of them fast enough.
@TechieAhmadYT3 жыл бұрын
No need of shields when you have the tallest tower(10 stones) just put them ahead of Square ir Round tower and your archers & crossbows will be saved
@totenmann61033 жыл бұрын
I also thought that at first, then I started playing Extreme and found out that it is quite impossible to win many missions without them
@keziachrestotesia75733 жыл бұрын
I just knew that shield can climb wall 😂
@MrClarkisgod3 жыл бұрын
I would have never guessed you could even do that until I saw it on youtube. I found this out after playing the game for a decade.
@ilgattopardo32314 жыл бұрын
I've got a few disagreements: 1. I would definetly place pikes in S list - they are great counter against xbows and fairly cheap/fast moving for heavy infantry. 2. Knights also should be in S list - they are one of very few units extensively used in 'expert' games (along with catapults, assassins and horse archers with shields of course). The reason for using of knights is simple - they are only unit that could match horse archers in terms of speed; and they are capable of decimating a fairly large forces of horse archers if you have better micromanagement than your opponent of course). I tend to agree more or less with the rest of the ranking though. Good job, mate!
@Jefflenious4 жыл бұрын
I agree with everything you said, I definitely placed knights way too low. Pikemen though they hard counter archers but at the same time they lose to every melee unit (Except knights) in the game, also crossbowmen do well against them. Maybe higher spot in A but it's hard for me to put them S.
@ilgattopardo32313 жыл бұрын
@@Jefflenious But crossbowmen is fairly weak against pikemen. Pikemen are best unit for breaching xbows defensive lines head-on (they are way cheaper than swordsmen and knights, their speed is at least sensible and they can endure up to 17(!) xbow shots - this is by far the best result in the game). Knights are also can break through crossbowmen defensilve line head-on due to their speed and nice armor (which can endure up to 10 xbows shots) but they are simply too expensive units for such objectives. Swordsmen are useless against xbows due to dramatic lack of speed, inferior armor (up to 12 shots) and high cost. More agile (but also more fragile) troops like macemen or assassins are also no match against massive xbow fire in head-on charge. Pikemen are by far the most cost-effective solution for breaking through massive xbows defensive lines in game.
@ajduong3 жыл бұрын
I would partially disagree with this assessment. Pikes are slow and get beaten by quite a few melee units. Notably, swordsmen, knights, assassins, monks, arab swordmen and macemen. Also massed crossbows still work pretty well against massed pikes. Also, they use iron via the armourer shops which is quite valuable and sells for a lot. If you pay for the goods via the market they end up being quite expensive as troops. Knights should be in A, but S is too high. They die to massed crossbows too easily, and they require stables which take space and only benefit them, and they only supply four horses at once. In small maps this makes them hard to mass which is what they need to beat crossbows. Also, they cost the most material wise of any unit. Their only purpose is to destroy shields, catapults and other siege quickly. Lastly, to add insult to injury they can't climb fortifications, so if you have any crossbows on towers they're screwed, and they can't go into castles to kill lords, which is a huge reason you use melee.
@dragonlord46433 жыл бұрын
@@Jefflenious Pikemen have a Bonus against Armored Units, Yes in 1v1 Fights cleary Swordsmen win, but Pikemen are faster moving, meaning if it comest o battle they can even mass up faster than the Swordsmen do, means their DPS gets much higher in terms of speed then the Swordsmen. In mass Combat Pikemen outrade Swordsmen, move faster which is a huge advantage for Sieges, can Digg pitches, and are in general cost effective. Pikemen (S Tier) Knights are the Ultimate Assault and Schockunits next to Macemen, yes they have a high cost, but can also rade enemy economy quite effectivly and even breach a well defended Gate with low numbres. In general Pikemen and massed Macemen would be the only concern. Knights (A) Tier with the rest of the list i agree
@Jefflenious3 жыл бұрын
@@dragonlord4643 Yeah knights are too low, I think they can even get to S because they're probably the best melee units with unlimited economy. Pikemen ARE good but thing is every time I tried to use them in online matches I was just wondering why I didn't play macemen or knights instead, I felt like I'm handicapping myself because they're too slow and low on DPS. If we had a larger sample size on SHC online matches this would've become so much easier
@tobiasblume88753 жыл бұрын
Would have put pike en way higher - good speed -super tanky -can take a lot of crossbow hits -ok vs fire (better than swordmen) -can dig -great vs walls
@jammyydodgeruwu20833 жыл бұрын
pikes are arguably best for an eco/balanced army, way better than the swordsman
@jdude7593 жыл бұрын
They also are the only units (that I know of) that can tank stake pits.
@Honeyhoney-nn4ki3 жыл бұрын
Yup they deserve S+ bcz they can withstand most arrows then any other unit ..except the king like unlimited arrows lol
@Dreckigerdan1643 жыл бұрын
plus they are anti armor
@mastertagnut68722 жыл бұрын
the pikemen should throw away their pikes and use crossbow instead
@neronacci12953 жыл бұрын
Insightful ! I'm glad that there are people who are still making videos on this game . It's one of my favourite strategy games !
@Big-Daddy-963 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks for making it. I just started playing this game again after a 15 year hiatus and I’m addicted again.
@jlaplace63593 жыл бұрын
Never used laddermen the intended way, I use siege towers instead. Still, I sometimes use laddermen as trap detectors. Works pretty well from an ecnomical aspect.
@Jefflenious3 жыл бұрын
That's the best use case I've heard so far lol
@leonardoeras79623 жыл бұрын
I think it's best to use slaves
@jack863 жыл бұрын
The best way i found to detect trap is using the cathedral to scan the area since it has the largest area coverage. If there any black spot, and you can't build it there, i am sure thats a trap. You can also detect assasins. You will see black spots moving, it is assasins.
@snopallchannel241 Жыл бұрын
You can also use laddermen to abuse tax mechanics. Since they only cost 3G, you recruit a few hundred of them and then shut down your food ration, put taxes on max and disband them all at once. Yeah sure you haven't seen your popularity drop so fast ever before but the tax money don't stink and it will take forever before enough people leave that it becomes unaffordable to continue killing your popularity. Congrats, now you have all the money for development/recruitment that you could dream of.
@GottaBeAHero Жыл бұрын
U can see use pitch to spot assassins walking around your castle as well 😏
@lowearthsurfer4 жыл бұрын
Shields should be countered by flaming arrows tbh
@kleinfeicht4 жыл бұрын
Since flaming arrows are just visual it would be great...^^
@ronsee64584 жыл бұрын
@@kleinfeicht fire arrows can light enemy castles on fire
@kleinfeicht4 жыл бұрын
Still FireArrows are just visual no more damage
@Tre_Ent3 жыл бұрын
but ten they should make flame cost somthin
@lowearthsurfer3 жыл бұрын
@@Tre_Ent ....pitch? Maybe 10 gold
@darthplagueis132 жыл бұрын
The issue with monks is, they are really slow and die really fast to archers. They are probably the most cost efficient in a melee fight, but it's almost impossible to assault a castle with them because they just get shot to bits.
@Variia Жыл бұрын
you assault castles with ranged units anyway, not melee
@dusanstankovic6456 Жыл бұрын
you can use them very well as a last line of deffense for your keep, just put them in the aggresive stance
@sskkarz4 жыл бұрын
I didn't expect to watch the whole video
@l.v.52443 жыл бұрын
Have to disagree on the Pikemen: 1. they are extremly resistant to crossbows 2. they are kinda fast for heavy infantry 3. they also resist fire very well 4. they are excellent in demolishing walls/towers/gates 5. the ability to fill up moats combined with their tankieness 6. they are more resistant to traps, but maybe thats just a feeling i got (didnt check it) In my humble opinion the best siege infantry in Stronghold
@Jefflenious3 жыл бұрын
Moved them to top of the S tier on another list: kzbin.info/www/bejne/joOplqmAntGLmLM You might argue they belong to S+ right next to Knights but it's really hard to judge with no standards tbh
@paynemachina72763 жыл бұрын
Macemen are underrated. They are easily S+. They are Shocktroopers, best for Blitzkrieg. A Horde of Macemen is like a Horde of Hungry Ravenous Orcs. They are Fast, Brutal and Unstoppable.
@Jefflenious3 жыл бұрын
They're really good for skirmishing, but don't think they're broken (S+ is for broken units lol)
@fuyoutubeck Жыл бұрын
I always love playing them with horse archers, such a devastating mobile combo
@lg3org33 жыл бұрын
The Unofficial Crusader Patch fixed this game and made it more enjoyable, every stronghold crusader fan should check it out!
@TechieAhmadYT3 жыл бұрын
Share the link
@iwantusemyeyes92293 жыл бұрын
Link?
@NicolasKesteman2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact about the archers, if you buy 5 bows and train 5 european archers instead of 5 arabian archers, they still cost less to the arabian counterparts
@ididottom4902 Жыл бұрын
but european archer is also worse than arabian one, cause arabian one has higher attack rate and the difference is quite decent
@qlime2892 Жыл бұрын
@@ididottom4902so, if you will take 75 european archers against 43 arabian archers(the same cost), european ones will win with great majority European archers are more cost efficient
@jonk13703 жыл бұрын
Dude, excellent video. I've been playing this game on and off for 12 years and will be playing it this summer. I literally forgot monks exist, I need to start using them!
@Jefflenious3 жыл бұрын
Have fun shredding swordsmen! They're not very good against arrows though be careful
@jardakkspiritfang59623 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I like this tier list and I have no complaints except I would've kept slingers at A-tier. I absolutely adore using them and they're just SO CHEAP. They still cost 12 gold like a regular archer, but you don't need to wait on a weapon being used. Plus they fire faster than an archer as well though they do have a smaller range.
@ryangainey942 жыл бұрын
Hidden bonus to Monks -- Fire Ballistas and perhaps other artillery don't automatically target them when they amass for an attack. You have to manually direct your siege weaponry to attack a Monk. I learned that the hard way when I had a force of Fire Ballistas assembling for an attack on one of my enemies and the Abbott managed to wreck half of them before I realized what was happening. For some reason they don't shoot enemy Monks unless you make them. However aside from this unusual downside to Fire Ballistas (or hidden bonus to Monks), I would have said Fire Ballistas are S+ tier. And really any unit that can create Fire is at a significant advantage. The damage by itself would be reason enough since a group of say 15-20 Fire Ballistas will utterly destroy 100+ approaching Crusader units or Pikemen and shred tanky units like it's nothing. But the deadliest weapon in the desert is Fire... These things can assault a stronghold all on their own. I like to make like 40-50 Fire Ballistas although this is probably overkill and park them out in front of the castle. They move slowly but can annihilate everything that comes near at a time. So you move them outside the castle, the enemy approaches with their whole army including of Horse Archers and... You outrange them and kill them all. Then the tanky melees follow and you slaughter all of them too. Then advance and then you burn all their crops and outbuildings, and anything unlucky to be caught in the fire is now dead regardless of how tanky it is. Have it approach the castle walls and it kills everything defending the walls by itself. Then you bring it a bit closer and then you shoot over the walls and set all those buildings clustered close together on fire and ruin their whole damn day. My usual comp though to kill enemies in crusader is about 40 Fire Ballista, 100 Horse Archer, and 30 Assassin. If I need to knock a few walls down I bring 10 catapults but most of the time I don't need em. The only times they're really necessary are when the opponents are on a really tall hill or have high ground advantages and the fire ballistas don't have enough height to shoot over the walls and into the city. Then I shoot at the walls enough to lower them enough for the Ballistas to get in there and set fire to the granary, weapons buildings, etc
@Jefflenious4 жыл бұрын
Hey guys new list here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/joOplqmAntGLmLM Wanted to correct some of the misjudges I made on the list, check the new list before commenting, Thanks!
@joshyjosh37723 жыл бұрын
I agree with everything in this tier list especially s and s+ tier every online match is dominated by horse archer+shield+catapult and these guys are the only units people should make if they want to win
@freierzocker8373 жыл бұрын
I would change one thing, I would put the pikemen in S-tier, simply because they tank fire the best of all units, and you can get fire in nearly every game, and they got armorpiercing capabilities. Rly try 100 monks against 100 pikemen, they would just smash the monks, but other wise it´s complete like it is. Just know fire is op in this game.
@idkanymore10343 жыл бұрын
Idk why but everytime i use slingers against any armored unit the armored unit takes a lot of damage so i feel like slingers are like cheap anti tank units If im wrong then i guess in dumb
@Jefflenious3 жыл бұрын
@@idkanymore1034 I always had the same feeling but no they don't deal bonus damage to armored, they're just way too cheap and you can get a lot of them easily
@dr_captain50933 жыл бұрын
It is accurate for me , i usually use the macemen , crossbow-men and the Arabian black horse the most , they work in most situation .
@razerium44163 жыл бұрын
I think its really worth mentioning that arabic archers survive a crossbowman hit where european archers dont
@AwakenedAvocado Жыл бұрын
What if they are shoot in the head
@kotzpenner3 жыл бұрын
Yes monks are very underrated but tbh impractical. In masses above 200 they can shred most castles if protected from enemy ranged units or already breached. They have a surprising amount of HP and damage and are pretty fast for their body weight. They have 2 main downsides though: 1. They're impractical to recruit. Die need the most expensive and biggest building in the game to recruit them and apart from a slight popularity bonus, it's not used for much else, also the AI likes to target it. And for some reason I can never properly set an alternative waypoint. 2. They're extremely weak against masses of archers. This is why weaker AI like the Caliph actually is stronger because he masses them a lot. Funnily enough crossbowmen are actually bad if your enemy uses monks lol. Pikemen need to be S tier. And I never care about shields because I don't like exploiting the game this way. Shields and Horse archers are the most OP combo in this game.
@csabakatai50953 жыл бұрын
Or fire ballista inside a gate. They are invincible to arrow fire.
@kotzpenner3 жыл бұрын
@@csabakatai5095 thats a bug actually and fixed with the unofficial community patch
@adrian2105972 жыл бұрын
Funny, I played an online match with my friend just once… we were dominated by a man named AsLan who used horse archers, shields and assassins. It was a free for all but me and my friend had no choice but to 2v1 him. ‘‘Twas a great night despite getting slaughtered. Love the content man!!!
@Ryushiin.3 жыл бұрын
Tunnlers are quite underestimated. Yes, their tunnel attack sucks but in combat they are on par with spearmen and have higher attack speed Pikemen and assasins inflict bonus damage against other armored Units Source: Udwin
@lydierayn3 жыл бұрын
never used a portablr shield in the game before. Sounds interesting
@MrClarkisgod3 жыл бұрын
I started playing Stronghold way back in 2003 and I agree with most of these. Horse archers and Macemen are my "drive by squad" because they are so fast with good dps. And build 50 catapults and just level whatever buildings they have. Large amounts of catapults work amazingly well against infantry groups. And I'm pretty sure I've never even considered building shields. I will have to start doing that.
@fuyoutubeck Жыл бұрын
How's the creed going?
@gastarbeiterspielen34443 жыл бұрын
late game be like... friend: we can't defeat them they have too many crossbowmans and archers me (stronghold economy veteran) : hold my beer while i convert my 60k gold bread economy in horse archer / shields half map size army enemy team : why game so laggy my 700 horse archer / 100 shields army go : BRRRRR
@ashentharindu23793 жыл бұрын
Very good comparision.Thanks a lot for the information.
@getnerfedon71363 жыл бұрын
with all this being said and done i still much prefer to make knights amap because hearing them go "CCCCCCCCHAAAAAARGEEEEEE CCCCUT THEM DOWNNNN" is so cathartic
@sendis58633 жыл бұрын
Za twoją chwałę! Sorry i needed to do it.
@thatguybrody48193 жыл бұрын
pikemen too. HOW MANY FITS ON THIS THING EH?! PIKE FODDER! _RUN THEM THROUGH!_
@getnerfedon71363 жыл бұрын
@@thatguybrody4819 True! Pikemen are also so badass fighting enemies stronger than them. "*As you command!* Noothing scares oos! Take heart, lads! *It'll be a bloody fight!*"
@Adam-zm9oh3 жыл бұрын
very nice bro, got some insights here
@MrTomcus12342 жыл бұрын
You can combine h.arch. with shields for extra OP synergy. Mobile archer force with immunity to archer fire, counterable only by catapults, which will be dead in few sec. into an engagement
@barbapapapoezzj3 жыл бұрын
For me personally: S+: Horse Archers, Crossbowmen, Shields, Catapults S: Arabian Archers, Macemen, Pikemen, Assassins, Slaves, Fire Ballista, Trebuchet, Tower Ballista A: Swordsmen, Monks, Knights, B: Arabian Swordsmen, Regular Archers, Slingers, Fire Throwers, Tower Mangonel, Ram C: Laddermen, Tunnelers, Spearmen, Siege Tower, Oil Pot Thrower
@barbapapapoezzj3 жыл бұрын
@@Honeyhoney-nn4ki I don't see why you'd produce spearmen over monks. Also yes the fire and oil throwers are good but I think placing pitch is much more efficient
@barbapapapoezzj3 жыл бұрын
@@Honeyhoney-nn4ki wait do you mean spearmen or pikemen? Cuz spearmen die in 3 arrow shots
@Honeyhoney-nn4ki3 жыл бұрын
@@barbapapapoezzj oh sorry i havent played it for soo long so thats why i mistook it with spearmen. lol
@barbapapapoezzj3 жыл бұрын
@@Honeyhoney-nn4ki That's okay I get it hahah. I put them in S because I think they don't quite have the same impact on the game like the other S+ do. Pikemen are the best melee unit imo
@ChewingGumFlavor3 жыл бұрын
Ladderman in C tier? Out outrageous! You're way too generous. They are F at most without Unofficial patch.
@Jefflenious3 жыл бұрын
Actually wanted to give them their own tier but tunnelers and oil pots are not that much better
@republicofgaming8812 жыл бұрын
amazing man best video ever on strong hold
@venakew3 жыл бұрын
There's a weird thing with Knights where they seem to be get stronger in numbers ie one swordsman will beat one knight but 25 knights will beat 25 swordsmen just about and 50 knights will be beat 50 swordsmen quite handily. Totally pointless because you'd never build that many but still kind of cool.
@Jefflenious3 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's the same with macemen, because of their movement speed they stack on top of each other much quicker than slow units
@FirstnameLastname-py3bc3 жыл бұрын
Funny thing is original Stronghold and Crusader (non-HD or maybe earlier versions) had crossbowmen shoot strong projectiles like they do now, but their distance was shorter than Longbowmen's, and I think but I'm not certain the Arabic Bow's distance was same as Crossbowmen's (i.e shorter than longbow)
@pprb1232 жыл бұрын
I was surprised he put bowmen as equal because arabic bow distance was shorter and normal bows are cheaper
@FirstnameLastname-py3bc2 жыл бұрын
@@pprb123 in current version bowmen and crossbowmen have same distance
@feldyagsa35173 жыл бұрын
Nice list 👍
@Jefflenious3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Hashashin_Fidayin Жыл бұрын
Thank you for all your videos!! Your channel is a S+++++ Tier!
@zaskielr63528 ай бұрын
A tower full of crossbow men, shield, and mangonel is indestructible defense, the only threat is trebuchet but it can be one-shot by mangonel since mangonel attack range is far more
@ajduong3 жыл бұрын
An unpopular opinion, but I think you're ranking Normal Archers a bit too low here. Imo Arabian Archers should be B-A tier, depending on where you put Normal Archers. The selling point of normal archers is that they are just so spammable. Their expendability makes them suitable for so many roles: - filling towers - usable on virtually every map. All they cost is wood and a little gold. In a pinch you can always grab wood from the market. - only cost one item: a bow, where crossbows cost a crossbow and leather. This makes archers really really easy to quickly mass. - meatshields for siege weapons. They stop enemies from coming too close and they shoot anything that comes near. You can also have them attack in melee as a last ditch effort to let your siege survive for long enough (12gp isn't too hefty to throw away) - filling moats - breaking down walls if need be - a surprising counter to siege. Sure, 1v1 siege wins, but archers are so spammable that by a sheer numbers advantage you win cost efficiency for your losses. An equivalent number of archers beats a fire ballista - lastly, you can command your Fletcher workshops to move to crossbows when you're done, meaning no cost is wasted on investment I'd probably put normal archers at the top of A tier or the bottom of S
@Jefflenious3 жыл бұрын
You see the lack of "standard settings" for skirmish matches makes the tierlist so much harder to make, if the matches were started with 0 gold and low resources suddenly units like archers and slingers would dominate the early game and what you said about the fletchers switching to crossbows would totally make sense, but sadly not everyone likes to play like that. There's also 40K gold start on maps with huge amounts of resources, why would you ever make archers when you can make the units from S and S+. Most competitive RTS games have a progression/teching mechanic which makes most of the units viable, sadly this is something Stronghold Crusader lacks and that's why I said you can't really take my tierlist seriously. Tierlist can change on different maps and settings.
@Gugo-Valdemarovich2 жыл бұрын
Good work dude!!!
@Deiwulf7 ай бұрын
The thing about shields is that they are incredibly awful to manage. Doesn't help that move and leave device actions are both on the same key in shc lmao
@samidtaek_3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video!
@KarczekWieprzowy3 жыл бұрын
You could also mention that slaves are basically free moat since you can just spam like 200 of them and then make your moat appear out of thin air
@retrogamer25033 жыл бұрын
1000 gold for 200 of them so yeah, they can become expensive when used extensively, but often I just use them to kill the enemy cuz they're so cheap and fast, and they can also get rid of an entire army...how? Well when you get into a castle, the troops on the keep will rush out to kill the slaves so set fire to the buildings that they are going to walk past so that when they go through those flaming buildings they just catch fire........and die....
@mylibrarybook3 жыл бұрын
Put slowest troops (such as pikeman, european swordman, etc) to defend your castle if necessary while you think you are vulnerable, then the rest (if you have more than 150s troops) are attacking...
@doomguy19931 Жыл бұрын
In every skirmish, my late game army usually ends up consisting of: -Horse Archers -Arabian and European Swordsmen -English Archers -Pikemen -Catapults -Battering Ram I usually use the horse archers to run circles around the enemy and pepper tbem with arrows, or as a distraction so my siege engines can tear down a hole in the wall and start pouring in.
@ashfox74983 жыл бұрын
Swords are amazing as body guard units, my brother got a few dozen assassins over my walls one game and since then I've taken no chances. I put about 34 of them keep at the start of every game to keep my lord safe. Things have to go really wrong for that to not be enough.
@esemelekete13302 жыл бұрын
Black monks are better and cheaper to defend the keep. They can also defend your castle because they run quick if you set them in "aggressive" stance
@tarkcemal81673 жыл бұрын
Good work I love it
@TheMehranKhan4 жыл бұрын
Cool edit, keep it up
@Jefflenious4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Wasn't as clean as I wanted it to be since it's my first time doing it but glad you enjoyed it.
@RRPL3373 жыл бұрын
love it, I wish to see more videos
@fallinlove8734 жыл бұрын
how to quickly create a portable shield
@Jefflenious4 жыл бұрын
There's no shift queueing command in this game unfortunately, I think there's a mod for it though I'm not sure. My personal way of doing it is I try to place them on bottom left corner of my screen so my cursor only has to move a short distance for every shield/catapult.
@TheRoibm3 жыл бұрын
Search for the Unofficial Crusader Patch. Its done by german authors but you find english guides there as well.
@zainzainpro13683 жыл бұрын
i have been playing this game for about 3 years and all the time i was using horse archers and assassin .
@teph12563 жыл бұрын
best part of the shields? they run at the same speed as the horse archers
@devinardillo3133 жыл бұрын
S++ = lord. I wonder if we can buy lords in barrack.
@Jefflenious3 жыл бұрын
Haha, I wanted to include lords in here as well but it was too hard to judge what tier he belongs to.
@Mokujin4333 жыл бұрын
the lord can smack swordsman with 4 hits and super tanky against all projectile
@Freakattaker2 жыл бұрын
Crossbow men not in S++ tier? Heresy to my child self! Had lots of fun watching thanks for the upload :)
@raylast38732 жыл бұрын
Arabian Swords are great if you want to rush an enemy right at the start of the game without doing any building first. They are a cheap and reliable way to attack a defenseless enemy lord without needing your own weapons.
@Askhat08 Жыл бұрын
There are Assasins for that.
@raylast3873 Жыл бұрын
@@Askhat08 if he has walls built up, sure. If not, I use swords because they fight better and will more efficiently deal with any units thrown in my way, as well as obviously the Lord.
@notoriouslemon66343 жыл бұрын
Lets be honest... in all of the different strongholds (except legends because they throw their spears which can be helpful) spearmen are just cannon fodder
@Ugh7182 жыл бұрын
8:35:Fun fact:Its not just that the arabian bowmen have a higher dps they also have more health because if u look at them u'll see that they're actually wearing spiky helmets,hence the higher hp because they have more armor and can't be headshot as easily XD(either that or the regular bowmen have less damage per shot lol)
@gabrielrex2 жыл бұрын
Aye agreed on that, as the normal archers have more range and accuracy if you manually control them though they are just weak when taking damage
@luckyflynt16463 жыл бұрын
Got screwed yesterday by siege engineers with firepots. I had just stormed the castle of one emir and thought i could march on to the next. But i didnt see the pot on the full keep. And i had 90 game speed. The fire hit me while marching through a choke point. He didnt even burn his own castle down. So I think they can be very useful in a last stand situation against slow armoured units.
@Kedimation3 жыл бұрын
i fear no man but that thing.. "The dude who only makes Horse archers and assassins" It scares me
@slater20013 жыл бұрын
dud ur awesome, one of the only people ik still playing this gamw
@alipixiv71223 жыл бұрын
Me uses archers and pikemen only for 12 years🙂👌 Match made in heaven,like milk and cookie.
@bear2490811 ай бұрын
Great video for stronghold fans !! Good to got these knowledge :)) time to change a childhood plan to play it !! 😊😊😊😊😊
@berleeboop38633 жыл бұрын
how do you make mangonel operates automatically? mine, i have to command them to attack whenever theres an attack from the enemy coming
@mylibrarybook3 жыл бұрын
Fastest and strongly aggresive troops such as maceman or stealthy such as assassin are good for quickly assault defenseless opponent when your distance is near against it...
@lagg1e2 жыл бұрын
Trebuchet below the catapult? This is slander! Catapults cannot even throw 90 kg projectiles, and their range is far below 300 meters.
@valentin68243 жыл бұрын
For the Bugs and a better balanceing, i recommend downloading the unofficial patch
@KyleSinclair98 Жыл бұрын
what buffs and nerfs?
@NicolasKesteman2 жыл бұрын
you forgot to pint that lancers can attack laddermen while on top of walls AND can run if on aggressive stand if you want them as a kind of defensive measure
@Teglamen3 жыл бұрын
Friend of mine did a walkthrough in just a few days. He showed me the shields unit, and with that I could finally beat the game over 50 maps
@codeblue15173 жыл бұрын
1.Pikeman have good fire resistance to fire,they good used to take all fire on they.2.Firethrowers cost 100 gold common,they have small range,easy to kill,small fire area,only useful for defense against heavy and fast unit when they going to castle to kill lord.
@sendis58633 жыл бұрын
good fire resistanse? you kidding me? 15 tiles with 2 firethrowers and pikemans are youseles
@lordlythis14073 жыл бұрын
@@sendis5863 better than 2-3 tiles and burned already
@nehemiae.20662 ай бұрын
Been plying Strongly since I was 7. I barely ever used shields. Really still learned smt today.
@theskatingguy98112 жыл бұрын
I think fire ballista are more superior to catapults in the sense that they can light up a whole castle and also have infinity ammo. But, both have their own place in different strategies.
@twentytwo1383 жыл бұрын
Spearmen: triggering the pitch trap and sacrificing since 2001 + occasional moat digging
@affanhasby8223 жыл бұрын
I was expecting more cost-efficient discussion, but overall this one is pretty good.
@twentytwo1383 жыл бұрын
If you want cost efficient, just use million spearmen.. But in the end, it's not so cost effective since you need so many of them.. And even with million spearmen they would still be too vulnerable
@alex-suciu3 жыл бұрын
spamming catapults with portable shields is my favorite finishing move. after you're done, just send a couple of assassins to kill the lord
@Cake4ddict Жыл бұрын
Love the video! Have a question tho regarding defending your castle. Would there be any reason to ever use archers instead of crossbowmen? Or would it be better to mainly use crossbowmen when building tower defenses?
@gayanvimukthi1362 Жыл бұрын
For igniting pitch traps
@abdallahelsharkawy37013 жыл бұрын
honestly i think, in B and A it kind of gets vague, not because the units are alike, but becasue every single unit has a perk, that if used correctly, would make this unit the most useful for 1 type of player out of that rooster
@abdelrahmankhatab47722 жыл бұрын
this video is epic ... you are perfect including all this information about the game in one video ... thank you so much again you are damn perfect man .. god bless you .. ❤❤❤
@eduardweber20973 жыл бұрын
Could you make a new Ranking with the Unofficial Stronghold Crusader Patches?
@Jefflenious3 жыл бұрын
That doesn't really change anything does it? Maybe easier siege engine placement
@Lex_8444 Жыл бұрын
8:33 I thought both types of archers do the same damage
@GnLeugim3 ай бұрын
I agree mostly, I would rank up the ladder though. Not for their designed purpose, but as cannon-fodder. cheapest unit in the game, fast as hell, can follow almost everyone, can take more than one arrow hit (unlike slaves). so to soak and divert arrows, find traps, set pits on fire, they are excellent at doing that!
@lUciFeR-mi4xz4 жыл бұрын
More stronghold videos plx 😍
@kristiankopera Жыл бұрын
It's also worth mentioning mangonels can kill your own units and npcs as well
@yadirect3 жыл бұрын
Can you tell what's name of Soundstrack for S-tier. I love put Fire ballista on the walls using trick as defenses, plus shield and fire arrows.
@Jefflenious3 жыл бұрын
It's from Stronghold OST and the track is called "Glory"
@timeismoneynotimeiswaifu46343 жыл бұрын
Why monks is not used because they are so slow and not tanky enough
@caligulawellington31712 жыл бұрын
Slingers are actually a counter towards heavy units. But their short range and very low hit points make them obsolete as soon as you can train crossbowmen. Other range units outrange them, so it's easy to protect against them by just shooting them down first. So they basically need archers as support in order to compensate for their lack of range. So I would put them in C. I would also put the spearmen lower. They are extremely fragile and has a mediocre speed, unless when they randomly charge. Their only real use is to kick down ladders. But archers can usually shoot them down before that becomes an issue. They are cheap though, and have a decent mobility. Macemen fills this role a lot better though, due to higher everything. So the spearmen would be either C to me. They are still faster than heavy units, and stronger than slaves. So they can be used as an early defence against them. Archers are still better at this though, but the spears are a useful backup in case you don't have walls yet. I would put horse archers somewhat lower. A tier. Their weakness is being fragile, which means other archers can shoot them down. That is only a real issue if the archers are in towers or on walls, as the horse archers are stronger in melee than archers and can quickly close in. I was surprised by the use of the portable wall guys. I have never seen a good use for them before this video. Putting them in towers would then make archers even more powerful.
@cwinowich8 ай бұрын
catapults aren't good vs shields??
@timeismoneynotimeiswaifu46343 жыл бұрын
Catapult/trebuchet can defeat portable shield easily right?
@Jefflenious3 жыл бұрын
Yeah technically a counter
@randomrandom21442 жыл бұрын
How good was the music from this game ? And I would put the sneaky arsonists slaves on s tier
@m.radjanurakbar42973 жыл бұрын
for damage which is higher swordsmen or arabian swordsmen
@Jefflenious3 жыл бұрын
I think normal swordsmen, they might have the same damage though (The health might be the difference)
@m.radjanurakbar42973 жыл бұрын
@@Jefflenious I'll try later
@gamesgaming37443 жыл бұрын
get some horse archers make a lot of shield men , that's it u have basically created an undestructable army ....
@yousef78853 жыл бұрын
Knights: am I a joke to you?
@Jan-ed4jb3 жыл бұрын
Cow with trebutchet will destroy this
@vijaz55592 жыл бұрын
Horse archer and hundreds of monks. Wins every battle with cheap infantry but costly archer cavalry
@lordstronghold17292 жыл бұрын
👍
@noobchannelv7823 жыл бұрын
i still confuse about how to use ladderman
@Jefflenious3 жыл бұрын
First you install UCP because on firefly's current patch they're broken (Search UCP on my channel) Then you tell them to attack walls, once they're there you can tell spearmen, macemen and archers to climb the ladders
@shironee_23843 жыл бұрын
Out of topic, but how do you get those mangonels auto attack the enemy? Mine don't even want to attacks unless I manually order them to one target
@Jefflenious3 жыл бұрын
In Stronghold Crusader they just automatically do that, In Stronghold 1 they only shoot at siege engines or engineers so you need to select them and manually order them to attack an area
@miftahkhoirizaki66263 жыл бұрын
Monk is better for defense, put them behind ur wall, set on aggressive stand.. u will see their potential, i not recommend it for attacking ur enemies, coz their movespeed not fast (they can run when u set on aggressive stand) and too weak. Arabian archer is faster, wider range, higher damage than archer... For early game archer is more efficient, but in late game arabian archer is better than archer Shield also good to protect a whole bunch of catapult.. catapult can throwing cow or stone to sweep ur enemies Sometimes mangonel can kill ur own army Tips, spend ur money for dog cage, this dog is good, only 100gold u get 3 dogs, when these dogs die, dog cage can produce another dog Ps. Sorry, my english not good enough
@muhammadyudhi13382 жыл бұрын
Dude you should put Arabian Swordsman in tier A for these reason: 1. They're have same DPS as Crusader Swordsman 2. They're easily to recruit (If you have enough gold thou) 3. Even they're can be killed 3 shots Crossbowmen, but they're more substain to Archer arrow and they can be by Archer arrow in 40-50 shots 4. Alternative choice for your Lord bodyguard (Because they're easily to recruit) 5. They're little quicker than Crusader Swordsman
@momon87383 жыл бұрын
Although assassin's dps (as one unit) is not as high as other units, because of crusader does not really count the unit as obstacle, so since the movement speed is high, assassins can outmaneuver other units that they fought 3v1 since the rival unit still walking. I've tested like 30ish assassins vs many swords and pikes (forgot the number, but they really outnumbered assassins) and ass won