Jordan Peterson discusses whether men and women can ever be equal

[@WorIdwideMillionaire]

“What does equality mean to you” “freedom” boy this should be a good one

[@faithless7985]

lol, i thought exactly the same, but my answer to her would be:"Where are your chains? where is your ball wrapped around the anckle?"

[@AHSears]

@Stroke My thought was, those are two completely different words that are not similar at all.

[@bassiebassie3417]

@@AHSears yeah dude i whas like wtf did she misunderstood him or something

[@feartheghus]

Faithless well she’s in the UK so she doesn’t have certain freedoms (freedom of speech, the right to bear arms, etc.)

[@NoFlightPlan]

There is no equality (scientifically, mathematically, etc.) without boundaries, rules, and framework. Therefore, freedom cannot exist where there is equality -- particularly equality of outcome. This is an inarguable characteristic of the universe.

[@phildoodler2199]

Jordan must feel like the sober guy at a party full of drunks.

[@terryrussell1394]

I know the feeling well, I couldn't put it better.

[@СлаваРоссия-у7ж]

I was that guy LITERALLY & most of my so called friends called me a coward because I didn't drink alcohol (still don't)😃

[@phildoodler2199]

Benny D I was speaking in metaphor.

[@DarthStygian]

phil doodler Some of these appearances make me feel so sorry for him. You can see him physically manifest his irritation with the morons he suffers. At least his book is being plugged.

[@WhatkindofAmerican]

He is the sober guy, in a room full of drunk idiots.

[@PhilipBurton-dn3ce]

Why do women pressure other women to get involved in fields they are not interested in just to create gender balance, it's ridiculous

[@faceless_lurker]

WE NEED MORE FEMALE PLUMBERS

[@nlgpro]

@@faceless_lurker not a bad idea XD

[@schneir5]

That's just the kind of logic these "progressives" don't want.

[@Zalphen]

Because it's the future plus the women need to take the male role when men don't go to university and when more girls do.

[@bigfatburn6229]

I am a woman. I studied in mathematics & I am very “feminine” & Christian. I feel that people hearing Peterson often use that to let go their hate of women. Yes the left goes too far. But the right is worse with all those Zionist Evangelicals pro war^^. Today, left or right, it’a just a trap. Peterson brings nice elements which I agree a lot, but sometimes he becomes dangerous to people too simple to really listen.

[@kingsleyic7913]

most pleasurable part of this for me was when Jordan Peterson kept quiet and stayed composed after talking, to listen to the other speakers but they still didn't make any major point to undermine or invalidate what he had said earlier . ..... LEGENDARY !!!!!!

[@j.dunlop8295]

Self Enlightenment is hard earned, not for everyone? Mirrors of consciousness, are in the mind of reflection!😅🙏

[@95DarkFire]

"What is your definition of equality?" "Equality is good for everyone" Where do they find these people?

[@N0T2BAD]

Equality is only good for losers, not for winners, who would lose for the sake of miserable losers. Sad thing that there is much more losers and they will pull more and more people with them, because it's just easier to not even work hard, just force others to give their share. Usually they use our feelings, usually females and feminine men (losers) are these or vote for these people. We know them, they are leftist. They can't handle reason, logic, statistics or facts. Immidiate blameshifting and shaminglanguage strikes usually in. If they can't do that, they start to cry, because they got hurt.

[@sulaimans]

@@N0T2BAD Why wouldn't equality of opportunity be good for winners? It's not like they are going to lose now just because everyone has an equal chance. Equality of outcome is stupid though.

[@N0T2BAD]

@@sulaimans That's already given to most of people. But yep, I agree that it should be in future too of course. But if people don't even realise why you are among those "losers", that isn't any reason to blame and cry about inequality (of outcome). :)

[@johnpepin5373]

I laughed my butt off at that!!!

[@ognjenrogan5224]

In pollitics, you can hear her plug her party later in the video.

[@Safestill]

“What is equality?” “Freedom” “Can you expand?” “I love my job”

[@snowysadventures3698]

🤣🤣🤣 She sounded like she didn't prepare her notes the night before

[@wwyd4akb]

@@snowysadventures3698 or ever

[@petec9686]

Yup. She's an utter twit.

[@paulokello5981]

@@wwyd4akb 🤣

[@sumthingwickedly]

Blah blah blah blah her job is safe as she can muddy the waters for morons JP is not stupid

[@vedantojha7351]

Everyone is a gangsta until Jordan calmly explain why they are not.

[@ifigetbannedagainyoutubeis2018]

Lmao😂😂😂😂

[@patrickhewitt6593]

🤣🤣

[@nbhage2178]

And they are gonna get the evidence data and statistic and additional info you never thought you might need that you are not a gangsta

[@r_r_rye2441]

Best

[@francisu.5005]

Funny she wears long hair, a dress, earrings, long nails for someone against female stereotypes and anything gender traditional

[@aboozerjan]

What a legend Jordan. There is never gonna be equality because we are different

[@fvwak]

All people are different

[@eonreeves4324]

​@@fvwak sure, but why haven't I ever met a woman working in the oil fields? Nobody is stopping them..

[@dooh6600]

​​@@eonreeves4324🤐

[@renewablefuelsanalyst8263]

if we measure everyone by what position they hold in government or high paying jobs then no one is equal. Woman can give birth so men are already unequal to women because men cannot give birth (regardless of what modern day people say that have lost touch with reality)

[@drak3y]

@@eonreeves4324..or on a construction site (doing something other than holding signs or counting things).

[@dr.d4957]

To quote a Twitter post I saw recently: Isn't it amazing that a man who feels he's a woman is "born this way", yet a man who knows he's a man is "a product of social conditioning and environment".

[@maxjarangi171]

D. S. 😂 lol this is good. I’m gonna use this sometime

[@TheBaioken]

Exactly, transgenderism contradicts feminist theories quite nicely.

[@joecarom391]

One thing is gender identity as such, the societal norms that apply to each respective gender, after it has been established are a second thing. Differentiating would really help an honest argument, because it decreases the chances if people misunderstanding one another

[@TheBaioken]

@@joecarom391 and those two things happen totally independent from one another right? Boys like to pkay with toy cars at a very young age bc they are already shaped like that, right? Its just so curious that transgender people often like to behave in a "stereotypical" way that is associated with the opposite sex.

[@joecarom391]

@@TheBaioken the difference between nature and nurture is more complex than that, certain stereotypes and cliches are present in the media, and it's naiv to believe that that doesn't hold effect on people. If anything it's so ingrained that people don't question it. All typical behaviors? Didn't say that. Some are propagated for sure. Not to say that all of them are bad, and that people might feel comfortable with them. Especially when empowering. As for transgenders, they often feel the need to overperform their gender, because they are scared of not being accepted as transgender otherwise.

[@stranger2langley143]

Dr. Peterson didn‘t even use 10% of his power lmao

[@lmj987]

Stranger2Langley nah, not even 1%

[@SupaSand]

He did not even need to go super saiyan, he is still in his base form.

[@Nancytheredhead]

Everyone knows he's smarter than most people on tv. He's just taking a breather lol.

[@damienjstepick]

He could out-debate her using someone else’s lesser brain.

[@selimozten]

Jordan: It's not even my final form!

[@SAdamKessler]

I love how she says "freedom" like it's a mic drop, then the host is like, "ummm how about we try again, but with a good answer this time"

[@decespugliatorenucleare3780]

@Assoluto Cosmico well: they usually do

[@Lionlovesunity]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ryancoveney5063]

Hahaha

[@tatskamaster]

@Assoluto Cosmico Well if they had a live audience of women there that comment would be met with thunderous applause..

[@OneShotKiller1996]

I was worried that the audience will start clapping and I'll lose it

[@misisDK]

I'm in STEM field for almost two decades. The company I belong to is pushing very hard with equalising men and women in our field. My company is using meritocracy in yearly employee performance evaluation for many years. Recently, with gender inclusion and equality, I've witnessed a lot of political move to promote more women. Now, as a woman, that's awesome. My problem with it though is that clearly some of the women who were being pushed for promotion are clearly not ready yet and everyone in the closed-door performance evaluation room knows it! I tried to speak out for a peer of that woman (a male) for promotion and iterated what he has done which is clearly more valuable, but I got shut down. This invalidates all the hard work of rising to the top by women like me for many years in STEM field. If I get promoted to the next level next time, now I have a doubt if its really about the good work I've done for the past year or is it just because I have female parts in between of my legs? So no, in my opinion, equalising the outcome is not good especially for those women in STEM field who tried their very best in rising to the top of their game.

[@markwith140]

Well said. People in general regardless of gender, race or whatever should be treated equally. People should not be promoted to fulfill a quota, but because their performance deserves it. To do anything else degrades the person, is not good for the business and potentially promotes resentment in the workforce in my opinion.

[@Biggiiful]

@markwith140. Well said, except your understanding of equality and equity is backwards. Equality is about equal treatment. Equity is about pushing for equal outcomes, regardless of merit or qualification.

[@Sweethands4]

....it's just another political trick by the higher up to crack the whip on labor to become more obedient, more a functionary, more "looking the part"... the corporations now have quotas of equality to fill, they can bully those lower on the hierarchy to "act" the part. It's just Big Brother closing his fist to gain tighter & tighter control over the sheeples behavior, just like ALL governments' response to COVID.

[@samuelknight886]

I told a female coworker five years ago, that the only reason why she got the opportunity was because she was female. Yes, she was a good worker. And a hard worker. She lacked the experience for the position. And there were many men, including myself, that way many years of experience than she, who deserved the position. But that what the company wanted. It’s not about male or female. It’s about the best person for the job.

[@markwith140]

Understood, I think I saw a different definition, but meant what you said.

[@rameezk8592]

Jordan Peterson's patience while he's surrounded by illogical people is incredible.

[@Malignus68]

There was nothing more for him to say, really. He so effortlessly exposed the foolishness of her argument that there was no way for her to recover. His job was done.

[@GustAdlph]

HI Rameez K, Jordan is a lot more patient than I would have been. I'm a woman and I wanted to jump down her throat. The blond guy made the most sense. Women still have the babies, and until science finds a way for men to have babies, things won't and can't change. BTW, it's already illegal to pay women less than men for doing the same job.

[@sketchartphoto8117]

mine too!!...just listening

[@rameezk8592]

@@GustAdlph the equal pay act was passed in the 1960s in the US. Like cmon people

[@theunfadeable60]

He sounds annoyed as hell to me. At one point he's so pissed he can't even look at that chick.

[@nissimlevy3762]

She's not listening to him. She just ignoring all the evidence he's presenting

[@0saintclark0]

Yep, showed herself up by ignoring the study he quoted and saying "I'm interested in studies such as...."....what she actually meant was she's only interested in studies that prove her point.

[@Live-Life-Freely]

Yes because, feelings.

[@Williamottelucas]

She is also not understanding him.

[@nicholascampbell90]

A useful idiot in other words....

[@jgarzaq]

actually, almost every women who debates with Mr. Peterson does that. Its a pattern.

[@alexwheatley541]

“What does equality mean to you?” “Freedom!” Oh for fucks sake

[@stwopid]

Wouldn’t be surpirsed if she was asked how you’d measure equality and she answered with: Football fields.

[@PrettyboiYT]

Its like they r stuck in a cage or something lmao

[@robertmazur3172]

I dont know where she lives but in my country woman can work wherever she wants as long as she have qualifications to get that job . Where is that unequality and slavary of womans XD

[@JustAnotherGamer1005]

Isn't it funny how that 'freedom' she is talking about is actually wanting to force women into areas of expertise they themselves don't want to be in. There are a bunch of people thinking that equal results is equal to equality, which it isn't. And that is not only in gender department, but also in other stuff like the level of intelligence of someone (which degree/qualifications they have). Forcing 'equality' has actually taken more freedom away. And has actually taken opportunities away from people who have worked for their opportunities, just because we are forcing equal results in gender, equal results in skin-color, equal results religion. Equal in anything but skill and intelligence.

[@MexicanThor]

My thoughts exactly

[@ReuvenF957]

I think Jordan made his point, again. OTOH, I was impressed by what the MC said at the end: There was actual discussion and no screaming or name calling and, although, as I said, I think Jordan's point are more factual, the dabate was more than cordial and it was, indeed, wonderful to see.

[@silewis9396]

I was disappointed because I don't this woman represents that side of the argument very well at all with her points

[@tobiasengel8385]

She said “we need to get more boys thinking about nursing” talk about forcing your ideology on little children for equality of outcome, and then you preach equality is freedom?

[@freddybeer]

Good point!

[@hellyeah4979]

She hung herself,and contradicts the point she tries to make.She is part of the indoctrination that is so prevalent in the lefts ideology.

[@hellyeah4979]

@Shayyan Ali Don't try to figure it out you just go bonkers and thats exactly what some like her want,is confusion.The old saying goes,"B.S baffles brains".Just stick to the good old fashioned common sense,learn by your mistakes and never try to over think something,thats where people go bonkers and there is no resolve.

[@rrdads]

Most underrated comment I've ever seen.

[@alvin4303]

ian damn I actually read this whole paragraph.

[@sophiemckeon9785]

if women truly got paid less, employers would only employee women

[@omaryhassan6477]

@roven 08 did you even understand what he said? You are essentially agreeing with him Women are paid less because they do not work same as men! If they did work the same as men but were still getting payed less then every capitalist venture would go for the cheaper labour who do the same work for less pay than men?!

[@NPFfumbi]

Most of the time. I really believe all these sjw things have truth to them, but they are ALL overblown to a huge degree

[@dobattlers]

Getting Jacked they dont have any truth. Since the beginning of time a certain amount of people have loved playing the victim and creating falsehoods to push an agenda that makes them feel like they have power

[@NPFfumbi]

dobattlers they do have truth. Do some cops abuse their power? Of course. We’ve seen footage of it. But the majority don’t do that. It’s just the law of percentages. The issue with sjw is that they act like everything is an epidemic and they end up crying wolf because whatever issue they are talking about doesn’t actually happen as often as they claim. Do you get me?

[@ycnexu]

Smart observation Sophie

[@andri5071]

Host: what is equality for you? Woman: freedom. Host: can you be more specific? Woman: I love my job.

[@MyPhilcat]

3rd wave feminazi 😆

[@Peenits69]

😭😭😭

[@ben_1]

That's because she couldn't say: "Basically women get everything for free and everyone has to do as I say."

[@pingpong9656]

What a stupid answer - it sounded like she did not even understand the question. Feminsts are super stupid.

[@mannen1221]

@@pingpong9656 I think she actually tried to understand, but wanted to bring up the research she had prepared. I don't know who she is, but she seems way too underqualified for this discussion. When you compare her to other feminists he's been discussing with, she's tolerable.

[@freiagalacar5786]

Men and women are equal but they are different, and those differences should be equally valued and respected.

[@mikerobinson9836]

I know instead of valuing and making the most of our different skills and traits let's try and change everyone to be the same 🤦‍♂️

[@cupboardsandwich]

Truth!

[@cupboardsandwich]

@@mikerobinson9836 How boring is that? We are better off complimenting our differences. And men do need more acknowledgement for their hard work. So many men work extremely tough and even dangerous jobs!

[@michaelhiggins2562]

99% of bricklayers are men. We must force more woman to become bricklayers.

[@harvestcanada]

Its the clown in the blonde wig I'm suspicious of.

[@imluvinyourmum]

Machines can do that, 99% of programmers and mechanical engineers are men too though lol. Most women go for easy jobs, that’s just the way it is. Easy jobs have supply though so the demand is low = low pay. They aren’t asking for an increase in wage for garbage men paid by the gov, only education as it’s mostly female and a cushy job compared to trades or STEM fields.

[@CorrectionUnknown]

women*

[@rkmenescal]

I don't think the idea of equality means we should force them to do it. Equality means we should allow them to do it if they wish to and are able to, without harassment or prejudice.

[@harvestcanada]

That the most incoherent crap I have ever read. You don't read much do you. Go and drink your beer and watch some teletubbies or something.

[@Operation3Sixty]

Him: What is equality to you? Her: Freedom Him: Can you elaborate? Her: I think its good for everyone Wow so profound

[@nate6757]

You cant forget "I love my job"

[@Rex73777]

"I'm interested in the data as well. Like that one study that validates my opinion."

[@ethanmarks4079]

Technically she did elaborate... 🤷

[@Operation3Sixty]

@@raedbk7234 That sound eerily sexist

[@kfj6709]

@@raedbk7234 keep it to yourself. Losers who want pussy and women who have been told otherwise will hate you.

[@rclakmal]

The blonde guy doesn't even realize that there is a massive difference between equality of opportunity and outcome. I don't know how Jordan comes out sane after talking to these people.

[@xilwarcraft]

Many people are in the same case. They are too dumb to realize there is a difference 😔

[@subtituru9486]

Fr

[@riob7119]

Can someone explain the difference of equality of outcome and oppurtunity

[@edwardpinder5634]

@@riob7119 equal opportunity would say that if two people have the same skill set ie one man and one woman they will have a completely equal opportunity (ie likelyhood of success in interview) when applying for say a nursing job say (Jordan would certainly agree with this). Equal outcome would say that there should be 50% male nurse and 50% female nurses in a hospital (Jordan does not agree with this).This is because if you took 1,000 men and 1,000 women, a higher number of woman would want to go into a caring profession such as nursing. This is partly environmental, but also partly genetic. If you tried to equalise everything in the environment as they have tried in Scandanavia more woman would still want to do nursing as this is a genetic trait. So paradoxically if you decide equal outcome is essential people will have less choice at doing things they actually want to do.

[@rclakmal]

@@riob7119 JBP explains it well in the video. But sure, let me give a try. Equal opportunity ensures that regardless of which groups you belong to as an individual, you are provided with the same rights and the same access to the opportunities. For example, say there are 10 vacancies for a job in a company. Regardless of your gender, race, sexual orientation or what not, you are eligible to submit an application in order to be considered for the job. Equality of outcome is about prioritizing the group identities. Your group identity takes the primary focus and your individual character takes the secondary focus. So considering the same example above, if the company wants to ensure equality of outcome, they will select the 10 hires according to the proportions of numerous groups in the population. If women account for 50% of the population 5 vacancies should go to women. If 30% of the population are from the minority race, 3 vacancies should go to the candidates from that race. If 10% of the population are gay, then at least 1 gay person should get the job. Equality of outcome completely ignores the individual capabilities, social, cultural and biological contexts. It simply talks about quotas. Quota for women, quota for colored, quota for gay, quota for this and quota for that. It is a never ending catastrophe, which could result in right person not getting the opportunity. Plus if you are an individual in a group, which they think that deserves a quota, even if you did get the job solely based on your merits, you will think of yourself, and will be labeled within your peers as a quota entry, which is highly unfair, yet cannot avoid as long as we practice quotas. If you are a girl, You wouldn't want to be a "girl" engineer. You would just want to be an ENGINEER.

[@diannevaldez8670]

It was wonderful to listen to Dr. Peterson and for the conversation to be civil.

[@萩原蒼也]

Never say "equality of outcome" in front of Jordan Peterson.

[@realwingman1]

She knew she fucked up as soon as she said it

[@xrphoenix7194]

@bigpink pencil yes, the place where the science has been done

[@GunesOAcar]

Aha!

[@bertert158]

@@xrphoenix7194 Sadly these people doesn't care about the result of science unless it fits their agenda.

[@stookie5932]

@@bertert158 true which sucks because if they stop we as humans could grow

[@Mceddd]

He's literally so bored, he's just playing with the pen the whole time

[@drzerogi]

It reminds me of the discussion he had with Helen Lewis where he said that the conversation was boring and predictable because everything she was saying was mouthpiece leftist ideology. As with Lewis, the woman in the video was regurgitating the same feminist doctrine over and over, not even opening her own mind to listening what Peterson was saying.

[@dragonstuff1983]

I don't think that he's bored. I think that is how he processes the information coming in and uses it to keep focused.

[@crw662]

@@dragonstuff1983 Agreed, I do the same thing and it drives my wife mad. I, however, am nowhere near as intelligent or eloquent in my speech as he is.

[@beatsilver5266]

Its cause the pen has a better point the person he's arguing with....

[@paulreader1777]

@@crw662 Would call him silver-tongued rather than eloquent.

[@mfcobb1]

She is not a thinker, she is an activist,

[@larcm3]

Exactly

[@kirklandau2826]

@Chainvelocity CH In an ideal sense perhaps, but most "activists" these days are under the impression that "whining" is in fact doing something important ("raising awareness" and "waking people up" are the common slogan rationales).

[@AlbertAlbert-je3fs]

She is an activist and à sick one too.

[@tuchesuavae]

Perfectly said

[@jameswatsonatheistgamer]

Women and thinking do not go hand in hand.

[@christygarcia117]

"Can you explain equality? " "Freedom." "Can you elaborate? " " Freedom is good for everyone. " " I love my job. " 😂 😆

[@datascientist4005]

"Knowledge is Good"-Emil Faber

[@Marc-rf9ei]

Shes quite an intellectual.. Not.

[@hillbilly4895]

"I like turtles!" ~ the I like turtles kid

[@chefahsan3544]

equlity meain male and female same oppurcunity should be ❤ he , she any think wanna be free should be that , s meain think freedom also relate it, .

[@joseantoniogonzalez1683]

😂

[@kojbo]

I honestly feel bad for Peterson, it's like he's the only sane man on the pannel, every time

[@peterdavison5135]

The only sane person.

[@evgenyocean426]

The only sane human being.

[@Someone-cj4np]

nope! i am sure there are many panel discussions where others were intelligent too, but we wouldn't see them on YT because they are not viral.

[@coachkboxing2675]

Yeah but comments like this and millions of views from supporters make him continue to push.

[@stephanosuk78]

You can see him wince at the repetitiveness of the arguments that are put to him.

[@PD_Swag]

She’s all about “equality of outcome” until Jordan says that women should also be brick layers, then she reverts to the “maximizing choice” idea...

[@chris2790]

She was confused about this from the beginning.

[@fukkitful]

I've had 2 separate jobs in construction. I did residential framing and ran a cnc/installed countertops. Guess how many women we had working for us! Zero. And its not because they wouldn't hire women. Its just none applied. I now work for a restaurant. We have 16 females and only 6 guys. With 8 females compared to 3 males who are 20 and older. Women choice not to go into better paying fields.

[@rorytennes8576]

Brad Maggard bingo.

[@danielhernandez-vo9zc]

Feminist only want equality of outcome if there’s a lot of money or power involved in it. Along with a desk job.😂

[@AlquimistEd]

It is virtually impossible to have equality of outcome and equality of choice, they are mutually exclusive, and it's ridiculously obvious to anyone with half a brain.

[@williambarnes5023]

Of course men and women aren't equal. Men and men aren't even equal.

[@williambarnes5023]

Souls aren't real. Your value is your merit and ability. These are physical and mental characteristics. Some people are really smart, but are in a wheelchair. Some people are really strong, but dumb as bricks. Expecting Mike Tyson to be as good a physicist as Stephen Hawking, Stephen Hawking to be as good a boxer as Mike Tyson, or women to work as hard and be as strong and capable as men, is retarded. Equality isn't true of men, and it isn't true of women either. Percentile for percentile, men are better than women at damn near everything. And thanks to traps, we now know that "damn near everything" includes being better at "being women". There are biological differences in both the body and the brain that enforce gender roles and your biology doesn't actually care if your chosen politics find that problematic or not. You can get on board with it, or you can fight it and lose. That's why the gender roles exist. Women are emotional and manipulative and seek dependability and resources and commitment because they raise children, and those skills make them successful at it. Men are strong and responsible and logical because they have to take care of and provide for the family, and those skills make them successful at it. A woman's decisions and opinions don't need to be right, because when she's wrong the man fixes it. So she can be irrational and still raise children. But a man has to be competent, or his role as provider won't actually work, because there's no double-man above him to bail him out. The buck stops with him, which is why the man is the head of the household.

[@williambarnes5023]

Thanks for clarifying.

[@grahamhill676]

@@williambarnes5023 Equal, but not the same

[@funkyguy99]

@@williambarnes5023 maybe you don't have a soul or are you just being an arsesoul?

[@williambarnes5023]

*"maybe you don't have a soul or are you just being an arsesoul?"* That's brilliant. You should write material for feminist comedians.

[@AthanasiusCM919]

Jordan owns it again and again and again! Bravo! Hat off!

[@MathieuDeVinois]

“Women don’t get enough coverage in media” - whenever I look into media it’s all about women and feminism. Permanently.

[@LUR1FAX]

I know, right? My answer to people who claim that, is to just watch other things. The only person who can decide what I see is myself.

[@rutgerottens6064]

@bigpink pencil My god, seems like every comment you make, you sound more stupid. You're in a bubble.

[@Norvik_-ug3ge]

TV is made for women, by women.

[@nikkovibez9147]

Exactly

[@johnmcgregor3447]

@bigpink pencil I don't see any programs only for guys but you get Loose Women and guff like that.

[@TomH2681]

Imagine being the leader of the Women's Equality Party and not knowing what equality is.

[@TheMusicscotty]

Hahahaha nailed it, mate.

[@izdatbOi]

Nah she knows equality is... just not fair equality, or equality that makes sense 😂

[@LfunkeyA]

there is no 'equality', that's why people with agendas make up their own definitions. there is equity.

[@waitthisisnotpornhub3860]

But she said it's freedom

[@dmitrizaslavski8480]

@@waitthisisnotpornhub3860 freedom of what? Complete freedom? Are men completely free to do whatever they want?

[@francissfukbuddy8457]

This title is clickbait: Jordan Peterson supports equality of opportunity, which is the only kind of equality worth having.

[@nano4778]

It’s UK media, it’s ALL pro left wing and click bait

[@gburyhockey9]

@@nano4778 same in the US. unfortunate that the corporate media chooses to divide us based on superficiality and identity politics, knowing that most people will concede to their emotions rather than their rationality.

[@kdburner7356]

jeremys a tool

[@dennistzo]

@@kdburner7356 the Tories are tools

[@javierventura7989]

I hope you do know that Peterson said he doesn’t think women and men could work together because the women will distract the men working. I can try to look up the video if you want. Also here Peterson talk he always gives “non-answers” but slightly imposes his views. These replies give him leeway by saying “I never said women will distract men I just said when women show up to work they where makeup and proactive clothes which may not be good around men.”

[@MichaelBegnini]

Jordan Peterson is the hero of our time and age!

[@KRAK107]

Never seen so much inequality. Jordan holds 95% of all the IQ in the room.

[@JayPixx]

Hahahahaha xD 😂

[@peepo19]

then again you're looking at the extremes of the gaussian distribution :P

[@aanyabishesh9271]

😂

[@kargs5krun]

You're too generous; its more like, 98.9% of the IQ on that studio set. Speaking of which, reeks of too much soy product (the other participants) overload that they, in turn, hold an inverse 99% dominant majority therewith. (Compared to Jordan that is)

[@CasualSpec]

The burden of not being an idiot borderlines being a curse. Now a days it's nearly a death sentence, socially for sure though.

[@ezassegai4793]

Peterson: If you try to run through a wall, you will hurt yourself. Woman: Thats an interesting theory.

[@khorps4756]

let's try it! the only thing to fear is fear itself!

[@ginosmovies]

EZ Assegai: LOL! Woman should try that test , to prove the "theory" !

[@adulfdabo898]

However, if you hurt yourself, it's a man's fault, cause men built this wall.

[@stotterotter8003]

"It just hurt because I didn't try enough."

[@ezassegai4793]

@@stotterotter8003 "thats not REAL RUNNING"

[@watchman-pu7tp]

Jordan: Two plus two equals four. Feminist: I want it to be six. Jordan: But it isn't. Feminist: But since I'm an optimist, I still think it could be six. Jordan: Whatever.

[@jessebrown4947]

Feminist: If we get the media on our side we can make them think its 6 its the medias fault its 4 after all

[@berkhanoguz987]

Ahahhahahahahahahhsah

[@berkhanoguz987]

At the end of the talk jordan says whatever jesus this is brilliant xD

[@geraldm4728]

You have a perfect grasp of this entire conversation.

[@OMGaZUBAT]

Not what feminist is about but ok...

[@poojasivasubramanian]

Very true. In software development it's a very small percentage of women. I am a developer myself. I have only worked with men more than women. All the 10 years of my experience, I have been working as a single woman candidate in the entire Engineering team. Women start as a developer. Then they either get married and don't work or they switch to managerial side as they don't want to work under pressure.

[@zengjanezhu]

I am a woman, was a programmer. When I gave birth to my son, I quit my job to raise him full time.

[@NB-or8rs]

​@@zengjanezhuprops to you.

[@ZIP854]

"What is equality, Sophie?" "Equality is freedom." "Can you be more specific?" "I think equality is for everyone. I love my job, because . . . " Oh my God this lady is just a political robot. She's so afraid of saying anything at all, she says nothing at all.

[@Volvo-f2y]

😹

[@yasmin_thelight6789]

HAHAHA. It was painful to watch really

[@williammorgan9047]

Lol pure fluff, talk about candy coating socialism! Fluff flufff, egaulty of outcome for everyone, fluff flufff fluff, freedom and Eutopia, fluff fluff fluff purge the haters, lock down, mandatory genicide,, purge the haters...

[@skyereave9454]

@Wilfried MBANG he said they increase

[@jdubthagreat09]

Lol dumbasses cant even answer a simple question when asked

[@TheHominidShow]

How Jordan Peterson manages to keep his cool talking to people like this will never cease to amaze me.

[@xhawkenx633]

It is because he actually follows the rules from his book especially rule 9 assume the the person you listen to might know something you don't. He actually listen to what the other say and doesn't wait to press his own points.

[@MattyRox]

He’s amazing.

[@cakefordinner1762]

You mean she did amazing keeping her cool despite him interruption constantly to ramble off the same old MRA bs talking points about bricklayers and dangerous jobs. And men and women are a lot more similar in Scandinavia than anywhere else in the world. On the dating scene, Scandi women for instance make the first move almost as often as the guy. There can be many reasons fewer women there choose stem. There is 0 proof that it's down to equality.

[@mylife2530]

xHawkenx 💯

[@chasenotleya.t.c.l6837]

Cakefordinner as she rambles off the same points, also when does he interrupt her

[@thecove4770]

I’m a woman. Jordan Peterson represents my voice much better than nearly every woman I hear in media or politics. 😂

[@bethanybeal313]

Right!?

[@daniloking223]

Did I ask???

[@meteor2012able]

@ The Cove: I would have loved to have lunch with you or gone on a long beach hike where we could draw stuff in the sand. We could have had "down and dirty" conversations (honest, realistic ) about gender differences. But, socially constructed underlying gender issues usually prevent this types of free dialogs. I love strong honest women who tell truths boldly and as free of feminist crap as possible. Trust me, men and women are very different in many ways.... and biology is basically why.

[@dragons2686]

Agreed.

[@MrCoolAlmond]

Candas Owens?

[@kainissen]

Jordan was definitely the smartest person in that room at the time.

[@SusanParker-uz5du]

Hating women is the way to go these days. Of course men love a man who hates women read the comment section to see how much men hate women. Peterson can barely hide his hatred of females.

[@serenityinside1]

He always is !

[@EricaChavira-on4oz]

The only one with common sense

[@riegen.]

"Fine let's equalize choice but we won't get *equal* outcome that way" My man never yields, he's too spot on

[@lemya8120]

I was searching for this comment 🤣👍🏼

[@Dr.Frankensteen]

What's sad is we already have equal choices, women just choose fields that are different. Which is fine, but it's the exact reason why we'll never have equality of outcome.

[@chrisdeep8417]

Correct answer: Equality of dignity. Equality doesn't mean things are the same.

[@sirbenedict6635]

@@chrisdeep8417 so what’s equality of dignity then?

[@astrotecn]

even among men at the same position in the same company dont get equal pay the whole argument is retarded

[@davidhellens7127]

Watching Jordan Peterson debate the average uk tv personality is like watching a NASA computer debate a fridge magnet.

[@wanna-be-cowboy]

This comment has no where near the love it deserves.

[@Hipppogrifff]

Love this 😂😂👍🏻👍🏻

[@sirkuchen1501]

XD good comparison

[@kieranmcnally6345]

Excellent 👌😀

lmao.. 😂

[@scottb1019]

Jordan has said in his lectures, "if you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room. " Clearly, he's in the wrong room.

[@MrShmoul]

1000%

[@Altair19979752S]

That's btw not from him originally

[@antonyduhamel1166]

The sad truth to that statement is that, if we all followed it religiously, we'd all end up in rooms by ourselves. That's not a good outcome.

[@malcolmalden]

I think he has said before that these interviews and Morning TV Shows tire him out. He had considered turning them down multiple times because they get him on not to debate, but to attack him and he has admitted constantly falling into the trap.

[@anxieux1524]

Maybe there's just no room he's right in.

[@TJMysteryAuthor]

After I got my bachelors in physics (with astrophysics) I didn't go into it further because I didn't want to be fighting an uphill battle for the rest of my life, being viewed as "lesser than". I found some writing that I "wanted it" on the desks in the lecture halls, and even though I came top of Advanced Quantum Physics (shocking!) I just couldn't be bothered with the shock and awe that I faced everywhere that I studied physics and was a girl. A few years later I got a masters in clinical research and entered the life sciences industry which is filled with women. I have worked with 90% women ever since and I never feel out of place or like anyone is judging me. But I'm still aware that I was a more capable physicist than the vast majority of males on that course.

[@bryans6151]

I absolutely believe what you say, and am truly angry that you got the way you were treated. Men in the workplace can still act like jerks, I suspect that you could still have risen up the ladder if your work had warranted it if you had stayed. Cream rises. As a young man I was treated similarly by women when I worked in a work place where I was the only man in a female dominated workplace. It needs a more balanced workplace, bur that still needs to be based on merit. Workplace impropriety needs to be addressed at the same time.

[@zengjanezhu]

When was that? Personally given the affirmative action type of policy for the past decades, particularly past few years, when a woman or a minority excluding Asians got the job or won the highly contested scholarship, I wondered is it because of equity policy? That kind of mindset of course hurt women and minorities who got there by their own merits, but how an outsider knows, given so brazen equity policies. Like the SP 500 companies for the past three years only 6% of their new hires are white in a white dominant country.

[@himantapathak3989]

You know, there are better male physicists than you

[@nnadiblaise]

And don't you think the life sciences should be equalised so that men have equal numbers there?

[@Beauty-mg7gm]

Ths comment should be up there

[@angeloscoleri]

She can hear him but doesn't listen. She's in such a hurry to say what she practiced infront of the mirror, she doesn't take in anything anybody else is saying.

[@dunklebaumwolle164]

It's better to hear a rather civil discussion between the two than to hear "So YoUr SaYiNg" every 0.1 seconds

[@SKPonr]

Some listen to acknowledge, some listen just to reply.

[@johnnylt82]

I've yet to see a feminist who listens

[@schn00te49]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYiwpq2ehr19pbs that`s a very interesting TED talk and is exactly about your comment

[@connortrahan4569]

You can literally see her brain turn off as she looks away when Jordan starts laying down facts. Then she has the audacity to throw his rule number #9 at him. She didn't read to learn from the book, she read it to use against him.

[@aryapaar]

"what is equality for you?" "i think equality is better for everyone" oki

[@tevitamotulalo3909]

Freedom! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Russel.Idrive]

peperoni pizza

[@florinaschilean6143]

equality means getting stuff for which one didn't work. (in short, it means SH1T!)

[@abhijithnair4904]

i was just gonna say the same thing i guess only Indians notice this 😂😂😂😂 she so dumb she made no sense not all

[@billa463]

No, she respond : freedom. But your brain is not "equal " 😁

[@Zultma]

As a Scandinavian, it's just infuriating to see others use us as an example, but doing it wrong. Jordan is 100% right. We are given the CHOICE to do what we want. Not forced. If women don't turn up to vote for other women, then don't force men out to make room for women.

[@curtisreimer4592]

You should be the one on That news interview then because then the opinions of the other 2 would be debunked by your personal account of life in your region

[@honestabe6841]

He flattened her argument and she simply is an idealist. And the guy with the blonde wig is hard to look at, sheesh. The guy with the blonde wig on the far right looks really stupid. He needs to get a grey short wig and I can take him serious after that.

[@seanandrews5329]

@@honestabe6841 he also probably is pretty stupid based on the interview

[@aitoluxd]

@@honestabe6841 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kachiedits6231]

Fr

[@laurenmullis5081]

It's been interesting in the past few years to see the swing back to women realizing that they can have the privilege of staying in the home if they want to. My mom worked incredibly hard, building her business from the ground up to provide for her family. It was her dream to stay home and raise her kids, but as it turned out, she was always torn between providing and being present. Equality is having autonomy to choose your life and to be valued by society. It isn't about which gender makes the most money. Feminism in its current form is selling a bad deal.

[@michellehood9589]

I am a woman, got my degree in Civil Engineering. Took an engineering job and just didn't enjoy it. Now I am doing something I love, am good, which pays less but I am happy. I agree with Jordan, just let people chose what they want to do and don't teach a little girl that because they are not in STEM then they are not valuable.

[@josephl9931]

Well said, thank you!

[@saco6347]

@Mr Philips LMAOOOO i hope this is a troll comment.

[@cecilialang4110]

@Mr Philips Very sensible in my opinion to do something one enjoys!

[@smallone2351]

​@Mr Philips Hey, you still have a chance to redeem yourself, come back and says you're joking.

[@jenjuice432]

@Mr Philips Idiot. What part of "I wasn't happy" didn't you understand? Women making less isn't a problem if they acknowledge that they aren't being discriminated against but rather taking jobs in areas that simply pass less, so long as they are content doing what they so.

[@apalsnerg]

"Okay, but, I don't like those statistics, so this is what I believe instead"

[@counsela9240]

Lol

[@gravinboginagis6568]

Statistics can be manipulated to tell very big lies, however, this has never been done by jordan, only by those who argue against himz

[@Marcus-ec1kx]

Said every leftist ever

[@vyrenvygolo2429]

@@gravinboginagis6568 Everything you know can be a lie. Its up to you to find wich is the truth. But sweet lies work better than hurtfull truths for the mentaly weak. ~Verno

[@gravinboginagis6568]

@@vyrenvygolo2429 bruh I’m gonna print that out and stick it on me my bedroom wall,

[@Rsharlan3]

I can't understand why Jordan Peterson is so popular-he makes way too much sense.

[@Your_username_]

Rare thing nowadays

[@greggeverman5578]

Yeah, they should ban people who make too much sense!

[@Peepandbridgette87]

Gregg Everman so far they are trying to make them censored. Because the loudest people are thinking he’s a horrible person. The majority agree with him.

[@sem7039]

You got me in the first half, ngl

What a poignant comment. Very well said.

[@EmyNetto]

I love how she said FREEDOM and stopped talking like that was the clearest idea ever

[@EricaChavira-on4oz]

😂😂

[@voidmayonnaise]

“What does equality mean to you?” “I think equality’s better for everyone.” I agree, now would you like to answer the question?

[@macioluko9484]

Everyone in Cuba and Venezuela is equally screwed.

[@kodylarson2983]

“What does equality mean to you?” The opportunity to fight for and achieve what one wants regardless of gender, race, or political alignment. imo it doesn't mean I want this because I'm equal to you so I deserve to have it even though I'm not qualified for it.

[@hcr32slider]

Equality means trans hold every woman's world record.

[@k-poppersince0951]

@@kodylarson2983 absolutely

[@music4thesoul491]

🤣😂

[@mjbadboy14]

Can’t lie, Jordan shouldn’t even be there. Waste of his time.

[@HexJK]

but then we wouldn't have this gem of a clip

[@00vaag]

Looking at how he already convinced one person. I think coming to shows like these is the least waste of time. Preaching to the choir is a waste of time. There is something to gain here instead.

[@spicytoast6890]

He convinced how many viewers of the show that there cannot be equal outcome along side equal oppertunities? AANNDD HE GOT A FREE SHOUT OUT

[@itsmatt517]

Wasn’t he promoting his book?

[@spicytoast6890]

@@itsmatt517 yup...

[@z3char1ah]

lol, she couldn't even explain what "equality" is.

[@Darrin-ws1fh]

First thought that went through my mind as well.

[@fullmetalyellowjacket8560]

Freedom 💀

[@strategyplayer1988]

Freedom and equality (of outcome) are mutually exclusive. I can't beleive she made herself look that silly within the first twelve seconds of the clip.

[@Langley_Ackerman19]

Yes, I cringed when she said Equality for her is Freedom.

[@The.Nasty.]

Roll Tide Roll!

[@margaretdoxo1377]

I love Jordan Peterson, He is exellent in every way possible, Thank you!!!

[@boskonikolic8961]

"I think the difference between Jordan and I is that we lean towards different theories" Nah mate, the difference between Jordan and you is about 10 000+ research papers and 40 IQ points.

[@eean_maxwell]

hahahahahahah

[@rigafraction1653]

I think 40 is being far too generous to her

[@kevincarter2020]

at least 60

[@justice3350]

exactly that

[@notyourbruh]

The Iq difference is over 9000

[@ArmouredProductions]

Peterson: [Says Fact supported by data and studies] Woman: "That's an interesting theory"

[@danielbalev991]

It is clear example that man and woman don't thing the same.

[@forestsunset9617]

"Jordan is interested in scientific and evolutionary data, I'm interested in society and its gender bias" In other words JP is interested in facts, her in non-provable theories that men are sitting around thinking of ways to hold women back.

[@lostsurferjames5]

This is a huge issue with the left(American Left for my example). The Right will just deny studies but they are consistent on what they deny, while the Left cherry pick to their agenda and tend to be very hypocritical because of it and typically illogical. They echo chamber hard and if you corner one in a debate its very easy to out wit them

[@suprstraight2421]

I'm a 555 like , but will that stop apocalypse?

[@moved2bitchute779]

This

[@woodybenjam]

Women: "We want equal jobs" Men: "Loads of brick layers wanted" Women: "We don't want it that equal"

[@rverro8478]

The eye opening omission is the "end results". Just for sh*t and giggles, put men VS women brick layers. Let's see WHO will finish the job first. ALL business owners will choose the most efficient team. I'm not saying women can't do the job but...time is money.

[@violentpursuit]

Right. I love how she has absolutely no answer to his stats on men's work

[@Mongolium]

*gets drafted into iraq*

[@DrachonaTheWolf]

Oh yeah, it's incredibly transparent. I've never heard a single feminist argue that more women should go into waste management, powerline repair, mining, construction, etc. All the disgusting, hazard-pay jobs that most people are lucky to not have to do.

[@nakclahan6445]

Phillip Woody Shepherd I agree

[@reabetsweimanmoabi7911]

I am a woman and I am NOT equal to a man 😊 and I am such a happy WOMAN!! ❤

[@ProGamingWithAlok]

U are not equal u are unique queen

[@fvwak]

But you have rights. Dont forget it.

[@rayblack2004]

"Fine, lets equalize choice, but we wont get equal outcome that way" - Jordan Peterson

[@lancelmccune]

Perfect isn’t it? Everyone gets to try out for the single varsity team. Equal choice for everyone, both genders. Of course we know who will make the team. The outcome will not be equal.

[@nicoduran98]

@@lancelmccune I don’t know what that is I guess is a sports team or something. Of course they are gonna choose all males because they are physically more adécuate to get done the job that’s required, and that’s just because of fisiologícal nature. Did you saw that thing that happened 2 days ago where a girl kicked a ball in a football game, the team trying to be all progressive and stuff, (She didn’t had to present any kind of test to show she was better than the other ones available, they only gave her the chance cause she was a girl) You know what happened? she only took it to 30 yards, the team lost by more than 40 points and the head coach was fired 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Thats why Jordan brought up the brick workers do you also wanna equalize that? NO. That’s why society to try to gave women that experience they wanted to lived, they rightfully so, created things like the WNBA so they can do what they want AT THEIR OWN LVL. This is just a nature condition that you cannot change.

[@Alex-Proud-American]

@@nicoduran98 may I add that the women kicker kicked once, made a terrible halftime speech by blaming her team almost, and they didnt just lose by more than 40, they lost 41-0

[@PG13hockeyman]

That’s right. That’s what capitalism is. It’s the equality of opportunity. It’s up to those who want to take that opportunity. The outcome will not be equal. If it was, that would be communism.

[@arno7163]

@@Alex-Proud-American Wait so it was 1 girl in a team of guys vs a guys team?

[@Dywrektor]

"We need to get boys thinking about nursing and teaching" I can assure you that many men are heavily stigmatized by women for being nurses and teachers

[@AIenSmithee]

So you agree with the premise then. If men are stigmatized for being nurses, does it then suggest women are stigmatized for getting into stem fields? I’m not for quotas in stem and personally believe there is an aggregate interest gap formed by biological factors. What you are saying suggests that these biological trenches are dug deeper by societal expectations. You’re making her point.

[@SeldomPooper]

@@AIenSmithee Women are not stigmatized at all for being in stem fields.

[@siddhishah2222]

It's not fair to say that particularly women are the ones to stigmatize men for being nurses. Some do, some do not--depending on the kind of person. Some men do it too. Conclusion: People, irregardless of gender, have a lot to say about other people. One could either choose to be affected by it or ignore the stigmatization. Same applies for girls in STEM fields. Trust me, they ignore all those barbs that come their way.

[@AIenSmithee]

@@SeldomPooper Don't get me wrong I don't feel that the idea that women are stigmatised is what holds them back. I was merely pointing out the initial comment sounds like that argument reversed. I guess what I'm saying is that I don't agree that sexism is holding back men from being nurses. I think there's more stigma as a man saying you're a car salesman or parking inspector than a nurse. I just don't agree with the premise that men are stigmatised by women for being nurses. That does not sound right to me. Therefore, it makes sense when I say the reverse that is women are stigmatised by men for being in STEM. There is one difference though, men are taught to take rejection better than women generally. Therefore the few men that might scoff at a woman scientist would be more affective (generally) to discouraging woman than the reverse. It is ironically what is great about women. They are more conscientious than men meaning they care more what others think.

[@jasonhitch660]

Absolutely! Men nurses! That’s a joke!

[@SilvaRiz]

“We need people to have a choice” “We need to push boys towards care”

[@jacko4483]

Great observation, thank you!

[@beyondpro4627]

Have my upvote

[@deansharpe7499]

I work in an autism and extreme challenging behaviour unit and I wish more men were in this role instead of little girls because I'm fed up of running around all day and saving them from being mauled. Lool true story, they can't do anything!

[@jacko4483]

@@deansharpe7499 Thank you for your wonderful and compassionate care for these beautiful people. It takes gifted and understanding people are n these fields who will strive to improve the lives of others. I think if she had chosen the words 'encourage boys towards care' it would be better recieved. I wish you a wonderful holiday season!

[@deansharpe7499]

@Hello Bruh You thought 100 pound, 5 foot 2 girls would be good working in an extreme challenging behaviour unit restraining grown men that can flip out at any second that punch, kick, bite and headbutt? They are not their mothers so that "motherhood instinct" doesn't exist in this setting. What does exist in this setting is them shouting and screaming every time for help. Also lets say that you have an extreme service user that can display for 14 hours a day, that is extremely physically strong that requires 3 people to be around him at all times and you are put with two little girls for 14 hour shifts a day. Lets take the other day for example where the girls couldn't hold him down and let go of a restraint 12 times in 5 minutes leading to him sitting up and biting my neck area. Luckily I was wearing a hoodie and he only manged to bite the cloth but that could of been me done for. Something happens like this weekly. I have been threatened with sexual discrimination because I brought this issue up with my manager. What few men work at my job literally just run around all day saving these girls from being fucked up.

[@KrugerLDN]

3:26 Jordans reaction to what she said was priceless

[@nth7273]

"teaching boys and girls ideas of pink and blue"- and she is wearing pink and all the guys wearing blue.

[@TheTeehee11111]

What a moron she is!

[@koin88love]

@@TheTeehee11111 Great observation!

[@TheTeehee11111]

@@koin88love I know that was obvious but it's a good way for me to dissipate my frustration by writing it down😂

[@laygotsomethingtosay3357]

😂

[@techop2010]

On the surface that would seem like a good arguement. but i can imagine already that her response would be that they are just fallling into the stereotypes that are forced upon them. Part of the reason that their arguements still live on despite the evidence pointing the other way is that they can easily disregard the evidence. The point in the video above where this is most obvious is when Jordan said that the Scandanavian countries are trying it and failing. She responed by saying, well they aren't there yet. She like all the equality of outcome supporters has built up a huge repository of arguements and counters that bypass the evidence. It makes them very difficult to effectively debate on short interviews because you dont have time to pull apart each arguement. but if She were put against him in a longform debate, I think it would be much easier to tear down her arguements.

[@rohantitoria3733]

His major power is he doesn't lose his cool while answering, we have something to learn here boys.

[@IrrIdk]

Honestly every time I stay cool in an argument it gets the other guys so pissed

[@mr.howard1]

No... he does lose it sometimes -- but he's great when he's angry too!

[@adrianleusink1970]

THIS

[@LifeAccordingToMatt]

*boys AND girls. Equality remember

[@reasondro]

noted ✍️

[@supermankelly]

Jordan: 1 + 1 = 2. Fact Feminist: I like facts too, but I want it to equal 3 so I will follow my feelings and hope reality changes one day regardless of studies which show women and men prefer different careers.

[@Viroh]

Xdd this exactly

[@Eplemost]

Voluntarism

[@jacoblalomia8900]

LOL. Perfect analogy. 10/10

[@dazzabridgend]

One of the best brief analogy's I have read! Well played sir.

[@jpkclutch7780]

💯 Accurate description

[@ryancropper4784]

When she says "I think the difference between me and Jordan is..." that sentence should end with "he looks at actual data and makes rational conclusions where I want to live in a fantasy land"

[@VitorHugoP]

At the 9 minutes mark: “We NEED to get the boys thinking about nursing” Back at 3 seconds: “Equality is freedom” Where is the freedom of that little boy if you plan a ‘social program’ to shrive his mind into becoming something YOU want him to become in the future so you can achieve an equal outcome?

[@krixpop]

hags , hags everywhere ...

[@thekillkill9366]

Dang son, why you gotta massacre my poor boi like that lol

[@codybrasil]

Vitor Hugo yep, if u want true freedom and equality, let the person choose, see, and pick who is their role model without your ideals. Just let it flow!

[@Emcfree2084]

Ironically she used a reference from his book against him but without any self awareness

[@user-nk2vg2hb7l]

Best comment in this thread.

[@steppenwolf516]

Jordan Peterson: "The overwhelming proportion of people who are in prisons are male. Do you wanna equalize that? Feminist quietly swallows saliva.

[@christophersurnname9967]

Bahahahah

[@chambo1010]

Well actually, if she was quick enough, the answer would have been yes. By putting in programmes that equalize men and women by REDUCING the number of men in prison down to the same no. as women in prison.

[@christophersurnname9967]

chambo1010 Yeah, we’re investing so much focus in pushing women ahead because they’re “disadvantaged”. How about some attention to males from low-socioeconomic backgrounds to reduce incarceration numbers?? That’s a more clear-cut pressing problem to me. Then the feminists will say “but they choose to do crimes”... but don’t women “choose to do lower paid occupations, degrees, hours, etc”?? Then they’ll say “yes but that’s because of gender-normative social pressure etc”... okay “what if that’s the case for low-socioeconomic male felons “... feminist: “but they choose to do crimes”... me: “okay but why”... feminists “because they just do”.. me: “no, be fair, you have to give *some* reason/s”... feminist is then logically cornered to say either male biology/hormones, or social conditioning/pressure for lower-socioeconomic men, or some combination. If they say biology, then that’s straight up hypocrisy, since I say biology is a reason women make lower paid career choices (ie having kids, working less, for “female” careers etc), OR if they say socio-cultural reasons, then that’s the same argument they are giving for females not enrolling in STEM university courses... or if they say discrimination is a cause, then same thing, that’s what they say about the gender pay gap - same thing, hypocrisy. Regardless of which reason they pick, male incarceration rates is at least just as much of a problem as gender pay gap. If they refuse to choose to acknowledge reasons for men’s “choice” to commit crimes (ie. the reason is just that they “choose”) then that means it’s equally valid for me to say the same thing that it’s just that across the board women “choose” lower paid work situations. The truth is, for both issues, it’s different combinations of all of these factors. I think there’s a much more solid case for lower-socioeconomic men being “discriminated” against by the system then for women being “discriminated” against in this day and age.

[@Axxidous]

That argument didn’t even make sense. What does it have to do with anything? Jordan usually gives great arguments so I put him at a far higher standard than that. You kinda come off as one of those people who behaves in a way he doesn’t really condone. Like you probably go around talking about leftists this and leftists that and call them libtards. You can’t have real thoughts or opinions when you’re so heavily bias.

[@anaa9245]

chambo1010 you’re smart

[@ditchditch6945]

Jordan’s best quality is not his intelligence, it’s his patience.

[@steffenh4775]

No it's probably that he actually researched what he was talking about.

[@flopchop8464]

Nice stolen comment.

[@micahgelfand8282]

He's so patient he went into a medically induced coma to avoid withdrawal from benzos

[@jose91807]

@@steffenh4775 true

[@Bassmastervik]

OMG truth

[@oscarwalet1814]

The fact that schools, media and so many people are trying to push women in STEM fields and the numbers are not increasing might be a sign that its more a choice than anything else.

[@vinniedisco7]

The comment "I'm interested in people being able to have different choices and having equality of outcome" is asinine on its face.

[@arbenkqiku8880]

vinniedisco7 That's the feminist oxymoron.

[@josef9733]

@Major T. Poirier Not really. I think she was trying to say: "I'm interested in people being able to have different choices (equal opportunities), and equality of outcome will be the result" Which of course, like J.Peterson points out, is not the result we are currently seeing (in Scandinavia).

[@josef9733]

@Major T. Poirier Yes of course, I agree 100%. Did I say anything opposing that?

[@josef9733]

@Major T. Poirier Yeah, I´d say deluded is more likely ;) One can only hope she´ll look more into it and change her mind. Not betting at it though.

[@twogruden9943]

If you remember Sheryl Sandberg of Facebook fame wrote a book a few years back called "Lean In". When she was promoting the book I remember a statement she made that stuck with me: "We gave women more choices, but they didn't always make the right choice." Most feminists are fascists, when they're talking about choice and opportunity, they're really telling people to follow their directives.

[@leonarron1380]

If Jordan Peterson went into politics to become a prime minister, I’d vote for him

[@user-vr5zk9ox8d]

I live in the States rn but since I’m still a Canadian citizen I would gladly vote for him!

[@meenamjah]

let's start a Peterson for PM movement.

[@user-vr5zk9ox8d]

meenamjah ivvva

[@TheChcam]

id let that man be the president of the USA

[@GeneralBlorp]

He's been preemptively cancelled for exactly that reason

[@PillCozbee]

Jordan: "thousands of surveys say you're wrong." Sophie: "I look at data that support my views only."

[@hauptmannjoachimtotenkopf6081]

more like *** i look at the data, but then realize it disagrees with me, so I just ignore it & continue to say I'm right & that everyone else is wrong...

[@BorisNoiseChannel]

Really? In _'12 rules for life'_ Peterson argues why growing up in small towns is better than doing so in the (pesky leftist?) city, and coming up with a _survey_ that mentions that the vast majority of people who achieved great things for humanity (scientists, inventors, doctors etc.) all came from small towns. But when you check what survey he's on about, you find it was done in the early 1900's, a time in which almost _everyone_ came from rural places, to then move to the city. Talking about _'looking at data that support one's views only.'_ The guy is an utter demagogue. (and a very unpleasant narcissistic one at that) (Sophie IS of course a nitwit. Peterson seems to only show up, opposite TV nitwits. I'd say to ensure he'll always come out as _the reasonable_ one, afterwards? Cause every time he debates anyone intelligent, he fails terribly)

[@benjamindavidscargill5633]

Boris B could you send me a link to one of the debates on this topic in which Peterson fails miserably?

[@BorisNoiseChannel]

@@benjamindavidscargill5633 ps: please notice him, coming up with his _'metaphorical substrate of our culture'_ (later calling it the _metaphysical_ substrate of our culture). It's utter blabla bullcrap, he tries to make sound _scientific_ by saying _"if you study the brain, you'll see this too"_ (or words like that). See WHAT? A metaphorical/metaphysical substrate? In our brains? He does this a lot: utter complete woowoo, to then pretend there's a scientific bases for it. There hardy ever (never?) is. And also (sorry for the edit): how he calls something _true/real_ if it's _useful._ Anything not useful, isn't real/true? Cancer isn't real? Plastic is useful, but now our oceans are full of the stuff; how does that work exactly? Is plastic real, till it started being harmful, or what? (forgot if that last part is in this clip, though). Oh, almost forgot: how he again claims that our morality is the christian one. It isn't. It's a secular morality, based on the ancient Greeks, that just got interrupted by the horridly christian dark ages.

[@luciddreamer616]

The Scandinavian study isn't a list of surveys from the 1900's, and while I agree that Dr. Peterson often uses rosy, elliptical language to push narratives, pointing this out does nothing to disprove any of his more robust arguments. The basic thrust of this argument about Christianity forming the "metaphorical substrate of our culture" is that Judeo-Christian values undergird western societies, and we very often take for granted the extent to which these various principles, tropes and beliefs are a byproduct of Judeo-Christian influence (e.g. all men are created equal, we should treat all of humanity like our neighbors and tribes, children and childhood are sacrosanct, no one is perfect, the most vile and loathsome criminal can be redeemed if he sincerely seeks to mend his ways--these are all almost exclusively manifest in protestant Christianity.) He didn't argue for the existence of God when speaking to Matt Dilahunty because he doesn't believe in God. He believes that Christian values are unlikely to survive a hard push toward secularism and that their absence will be disastrous for anyone living in societies founded on such values. And you can't deny that as we become more secular, people become more and more enamored with ideologies that contain religious elements (e.g. privilege is original sin, micro-aggressions are venial sins, bigotry is the cardinal sin, your criticisms of feminism only serve to demonstrate why feminism is necessary, and so on.) Matt Dilahunty may not be wholly on board with this ideology, but he is very cozy with it. Notice the way his feathers got ruffled at the end, when Peterson alleged that early "humanism" was "pretty secular"? Dilahunty can see that other forms of humanism mirror religious thought, but he is totally blind to the manner in which his own form of humanism does the exact same thing. There are times when Peterson's arguments are specious. One of the biggest gripes I have with him is that he very often takes words with common usages and tries to retrofit them to concepts that have nothing to do with the way we commonly use the word. So, for example, we commonly understand "beliefs" as low-confidence dispositions (positive or negative) about the truth of a proposition or the existence of a thing, whereas Peterson very often argues that belief is a way of talking about propositions that motivate your actions, the nature of which you often aren't aware, such that they can only be reasonably inferred by independent actors assessing what you do. But this way of thinking about beliefs allows him to advance claims about his own beliefs that don't fit common usage (i.e. he acts as though he believes God exists because he adheres to the morals he believes to be the byproduct of Christian values, ergo he "believes" God exists.") That said, using his tendency to treat the categorical scopes of words as a great deal more elastic than they ought to be (even though he is always forthright about when he's doing this), and then using this as a means of casting aspersions on him during other engagements where he has used no such tactic is lazy, and disregarding him on this basis is foolish. I have yet to see anyone refute any of the arguments he put forward here, nor did he refute the data presented by his opponent, as it was already consistent with the claims he advanced in the first place.

[@Callummullans]

I was taught about appearance based identity politics at a progressive comprehensive school, I’m now 27 and I can testify that a sensitive perception to race and sex are just that. Thanks to the do gooders for the social anxiety and clockwork orange sensibilities but otherwise I was messed up by this systemic childhood development. I’ve noticed that the equity of socio sexual status is also becoming a significant theme not just in conversation, people’s social perspective has been robbed of organic nuance.

[@its_bearded_wisdom2009]

That chick summarised : Those are interesting facts, here are my opinions.

[@ExcuseMyWeebRudeness]

That's some real wisdom there beard.

[@rubadubmedia]

Its_bearded_wisdom completely

[@meghanachauhan9380]

@@nathanmorgan3647 I'll die laughing some day

[@Butteredthanatoast]

Nice moustache.

[@its_bearded_wisdom2009]

@Gotthatgoin4me many are.

[@jacobmarshall23]

They make him let her finish, but interrupt him to get her opinion. Let's equalize thate.

[@JS-hi3oo]

Thate?

[@maxpagliano9065]

@@JS-hi3oo misspells one word and mfs go crazy

[@EIREriddick13]

@@JS-hi3oo Did it throw you??? Maybe read it again/..

[@TheOperatorKB]

@@maxpagliano9065 Repeating a misspelt word is hardly crazy...

[@guicaldo7164]

To be fair, he interrupts her too several times.

[@jomomma8754]

Man: Lays out scientific facts Woman: "So his theory..."

[@costanzauk]

i agree but its not a MAN, WOMAN thing

[@jaimem4973]

Tommy Coyle oh, yes it is - at least a strong preponderance. I agree on most issues with Julia Hartley Brewer, but she’s at the extreme tail of the female bell curve in terms of logical thinking, c.f. emotional thinking.

[@garetclaborn]

hahaha u scoundrel

[@dystopia-incognito]

I dunno man, she sounds like a moron to me.

[@tenchu65]

Insult upon insult

[@Wealthwise420]

"I love how this video dives deep into [subject] while keeping it entertaining and engaging. Kudos to the creator!"

[@MumboElite]

When they accidentally put Jordan’s opponent on recruit difficulty

[@Wadders1]

She's just trying to make sure she stays on topic, doesn't actually know wtf she's on about, just like an AI on recruit difficulty.

[@KingZionWK]

Yes and his counter arguments about prison, brick laying etc. was fire

[@themeanestofgenes2409]

Somebody watches Birdman lmao

[@mattlane2282]

Yep 10 seconds in... and total idiot... confirmed...

[@ecoblitz3655]

Mumbo Elite #birdmanisthebestman

[@Tevyn843]

“I’m interested in data and analysis” “The data suggests that differences between men and women grow the more equal society becomes” “Not that data”

[@biggsydaboss3410]

Yep pretty much. She also compared one study done in Southern California to a meta analysis of over 10,000 studies. Notice her job, the method by which she feeds & clothes herself. Is dependent on her idea that women are treated unequally.

[@johnpepin5373]

@@biggsydaboss3410 Didn't Orwell say that it is very difficult to get a man to admit the truth when his job depends on him not admitting it?

[@biggsydaboss3410]

@@johnpepin5373 I believe it was.

[@greggeverman5578]

"Don't give me that data! Gimme something else!" 😁😁

[@ToolforOffice]

Mad Law this is the exact truth to what you just watched. The exact. They are both looking at the same empirical data. The difference is that one is looking at it from a clinical standpoint and the other is seeing the data based on a feeling of bias. If you don’t like the data presented you will find a way to warp the data to suit your needs if you are biased. The hard part, for any human, is to separate your feelings and look at it in a way that suggests the true meaning even if it’s not something you like to hear.

[@MegabeckX10k23]

It's hard to watch people completely fail to understand what Jordan is saying. His patience is staggering.

[@mattc3497]

They understand, they just don't want it to be true. The left (left brain dominant) have a great capacity for empathy, however the left brain also pushes emotion over logic and fantasy over reality. Thats why so many of their ideas are great in theory and catastrophic in practice. Just study any country that tried socialism or any kind of collectivism... They all had good intentions... They all killed millions...

[@MegabeckX10k23]

I agree completely.

[@MrMattnis1]

The left is doesn't care about reality. The are I'm love with ideas. Truth is, they are the problem.

[@ridespirals]

@@MrMattnis1 wow, the irony in your comment is palpable

[@MegabeckX10k23]

If it were so easy... Unfortunately, I don't think we can afford to be so complacently partisan any longer. The right has just as much to account for. In the age of information, it is simply too easy to figure out that this two party system has long become a circus intended to dull our senses and blind our wits. Even the founding fathers warned against it; and for good reason. We're all American and we're all human.

[@tianfromthebrickworld8487]

We will never be the same!!!! We are both unique men and woman

[@MrAdamChristopher]

lmfao peterson just built different

[@notyourbusiness7097]

I just wanted to say that you have an amazing voice, keep going 🙂.

[@Banties]

Bill Dipperly?

[@scrub2657]

@@Banties NODDERS

[@a.d.64]

@@jasonhartsell993 its a meme

[@TjAndersonMMA]

@@jasonhartsell993 no

[@acctonmyotherphone6327]

"Most people in jail are male. Do you want to equalize THAT?" DAMN SAVAGE AF HAHAHAHAHA Love it!

[@Knightyme]

Want some more savage? I have heard it said that of the males in prison, most are from single parent homes and most of those are from single mother homes.

[@alifurkanbudak3354]

@@Knightyme Nothing against you but I think that's because there are far more people without father than mother.

[@Knightyme]

@@alifurkanbudak3354 Isn't that what I effectively said? Who do the courts usually appoint as primary carer, and gives that carer the authority to exclude the other parent on a whim? If courts **actually** believed in doing whats best for children and the statistic I mentioned is true, then most children would be better off with their fathers.

[@alifurkanbudak3354]

@@Knightyme Oh, I thought more in the situation of "future fathers" escaping from their unborn children so the abandoned woman becomes a single mother.

[@yashk246]

Time stamp?

[@theryudama]

Man, I think Jordan Peterson is losing hope with these people.

[@OmarMohamed-qx1vq]

i would too

[@FightFairLoseEasy]

You cannot argue with the politically indoctrinated as its group think in action. It is no different that arguing with a witch burning mob that the woman they are burning alive is not a witch and the only reason she admitted being one was to stop her lungs being filled up with water on the ducking stool

[@theryudama]

@Wilfried MBANG Not sure about the research, if you could send a link that would be nice, but from what I see today with all the cuddling, they will grow weak and suffer for it, the time needed for them to hit that mental maturity is ever growing and at some point you will see people in their 30s acting like 5 years old. *coughrandypitchfordcough* As for women why they aren't doing the hard work, simple, why should they, if they had half a mind they should either get married or go to twitch and get 1000s of dollars a day like a certain someone. Nobody cares who does what, it's up to them, my problem is people trying to make it a problem, if women don't enter STEM, doesnt matter, she can easily get a source of income, if men don't enter STEM, guess what, they become a garbage man, that's equality at its finest.

[@Fighting-Spirit7]

Hahahaha damn that is so true

[@theryudama]

@Wilfried MBANG Read the article and watched the video, kinda agree and kinda disagree, where he could've simply said the apple doesn't fall far from the tree and left it at that, I cannot fully go behind this as it doesn't seem to have any links to cohort studies or some semblance of researches or have a theory other than something he observed on the EEG. Interesting topic though, hope it will grow into something that could help others in the future.

[@EricaChavira-on4oz]

She says “freedom” like she’s just made such a brilliant and breakthrough statement.

[@williammoney962]

It's laughable how this woman says she's interested in data too, but totally disregards the data out of Scandinavia, because that data rebuts her belief system.

[@mikazoftstrom2343]

Welcome to the political left

[@Io-Io-Io]

typically female

[@bly2790]

Yeah funny how he constantly brings up the same country and same statistics over and over again

[@mikazoftstrom2343]

@@bly2790 because there is not much data available regarding the specific questions she is asking. If you listen really well and think real hard you would ascertain this from the discussion. And she still didn’t address his points.

[@AndreiDuduc]

Confirmation bias.

[@dolopo9976]

He’s lowkey pissed because EVERYTIME he states facts, they don’t listen and truly understand 🤌🏾 I understand your pain.

[@silviagregorowicz4786]

Yes! They hide behind "theories" and dismiss facts as "theories". I'm frustrated for him!

[@radioactiverat8751]

She literally ignores JP about Scandinavia and more or less quotes the California study because it supports her rather than paying attention to what he's saying. Despite everyone's theories on her side of the argument saying Men and Women become the same in an Egalitarian society, the Scandinavian countries are showing men and women as choosing very different things. I think they refuse to acknowledge his point and say they haven't "Gotten there yet" to avoid admitting their theories are wrong. Which is troubling sibce they'd rather be the winning team than the correct one.

[@jesuschristislord77733]

This is Kali-Yuga now Clown-Yuga.

[@Rikitangoable]

@@radioactiverat8751 off topic question, what are your views on the American election?

[@radioactiverat8751]

@@Rikitangoable Dunno, not American. I doubt I have the best understanding of things over an American. Why?

[@acastanaz]

Peterson: WATER is a clear, nontoxic liquid composed of hydrogen and oxygen, essential for life and the most widely used solvent. Woman: "That's an interesting theory"

[@OPShergottite]

"Only the dose makes the poison" ;)

[@Timantinpoimija]

@@OPShergottite it's not toxic it just messes with your bodys fluid balance

[@NoNameJustWords]

Did you know there is no such thing as a fact in science, basically when they say theory, it means fact. When someone has a hypothesis, they test the hypothesis a number of different ways, after they have tested it as many times as they can (not sure how many times, I don't know the exact wording here) it becomes theory, and it stays as such until someone disproves it, then other scientists test the new replacement theory till that gets disproved. You see scientists are always open to having theory disproved, thats how science advances.

[@daffydlandegge3843]

Then he would be mansplaining 🙄

[@stevenhewes1990]

Today you have won the internet.

[@akrzok]

I cannot stress enough how this woman does NOT speak for all women.

[@arminxvs3372]

No but they feel like they do. They often see themselves as the porte-parole of all their "kind" and that's dangerous when going online/live and being seen/heard by a lot of people.

[@jen9036]

Agreed, she doesn't speak for me.

[@MzBerry-24]

Hear hear!!!...

[@bigern3157]

You're actually wrong about that. There are droves of these aggressively dumb people advocating on your behalf based on wrong premises just as she is. You will be damaged by this thought process unless people like you, get up consistently and tell them to shut TF up. Don't believe me? Go as black Americans what the consequences of this exact thought process on public policy has gotten them... pure destruction. This is the reason and nothing else. Whether you agree with her or not has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

[@LeavingGoose046]

@Johnny Pitbull He was saying that people attempting to speak on behalf of all black people worsens the groups outcome as a whole, not anything inherently wrong with the group as a whole. I don't think I quite agree with this view, but I can say it clearly isn't racist (if anything advocating for treating a race of people as a bunch of individuals rather than a unified group is a step in a less racist direction).

[@SH3ZR3X]

I love how he sits there with no emotion on his face, and patiently destroys people🤣🤣🤣

[@jackbordar2727]

If you get mad, you already lost the discussion.

[@ianwulf24]

Inside, I can guarantee that he's fuming, he's just fantastic at maintaining his composure and being patient. He knows that if he listens carefully, he can better rebut any points someone makes because he won't misrepresent their perspective.

[@synergyrevolution2332]

@@ianwulf24 I don't know about fuming. I find it difficult to listen when I'm angry. Also, its kinda hard to dwell on how something that was said makes you feel when you're constantly trying to be attentive to the ongoing discussion. Maybe JP got upset looking back on the things that were said here but I doubt he had time to in the moment.

[@alaalfa8839]

I think the lady understands it... because of empathy, just because she didnt say all the ideas, it doesnt mean she doesnt agree with his point... and women are considered as great for taking care of kids, that women realised they have to be patient with the small kids, who create lot of mess in house, because kids from 0 to 7 are highly creative according to scientists, because kids brain is in state of theta which means imagination, so kids dont have ability to understand what is wrong what is good, so the mothers have lot of work with them all day to protect them........while men dont have the same amount of patience, and men desire to do creative jobs, to have potential of the jobs....instead of sitting all day with 2 year old, and feed the kid and bath the kid and wash the clothes..Women realize they also want the creative job to feel a freedom and not depend only on men, who bring money to house, but they also love motherhood, but its difficult to do both.. I think some women understand the hardships of men and their jobs, but women only dislike arrogant types of men, who are competitive but dont have other values... and of course there may be women who dont understand men, but its great if both understand each other.

[@alaalfa8839]

Jordan said excellent thing...Men have most difficult job that women cant do, building houses etc..... I think he is right.. I am woman too, its great when someone says it honestly, and women understand it.. Women like honesty... but of course some fight for the equality for other reasons.. As in some companies, women work hard and have less money than men, who dont work physically so hard... For example my colleague worked 20 year in company of paper production.. She said they had also nice male collagues, but also not so good ones.. For example the guy got 3 times more money, but he didnt have to work physically so much as the women did... he turned on the machine and whole day was sitting in chair, just sometimes he controlled the machine, while the women were running around the room whole time, he was sitting... So she felt its unfair that he is sitting all the time and has much more money than the ones who are doing the physical work....So maybe if women will fight for equality for physical workers.... maybe even male physical workers may benefit from it... No workers should be abused male or female...Because then the women are exhousted and can not give as much attention to their kids and husbands etc.

[@dakk3]

Men run faster because their body is differently structured. Feminist: Everyone should have the same body structure.

[@hrithikpatel2311]

Dávid Nyilas 😂😂👍🏻

[@abdallahelamin2666]

More importantly, Feminists: Everyone should run with the same speed.

[@darkhorse5232]

@Lzb Lmvm Women aren't dumb. Certain cultures and societies have indoctrinated women into believing an illusion about how this world works. Overall I think women are smart but they have bought a lie that seems flattering to them that all their problems can be blamed on "men", and this "patriarchal" society. And if we can just remove men, or weaken men, or destroy men, then suddenly feminine problems will largely go away. They are wrong.

[@ryanphillips5591]

@@darkhorse5232 but you have to admit, you would have to be pretty stupid to believe that.

[@johnsalazard6659]

i say to them, good luck trying to convince god to make women built like men

[@Legitti]

As Scandinavian I can vouch for this.

[@kalena42004]

She doesn't listen when others talk. She just keeps talking her script.

[@mustang_hr]

It’s waste of time arguing with these people

[@jesuschristislord77733]

holepeople.exe

[@04dave0]

There's two types of people in the world, those who listen and those who wait to talk

[@farmrat69]

yeah but equal .

[@jculver1674]

So you're saying...