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[@welltell.]

Oh man.... you have been hit in the face so many times do you still have a face??? ha ha ha... Time to rename your channel from Growling Sidewinder to Growling after hit in the face.

[@willwong4876]

I guess u really should have tried listing all the data u have when get killed in the face with excel and some simple statistics. Would love to see is it one circle, two circle, scissors or whatever get you killed so frequently lol.

[@welltell.]

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[@noformstyle]

WHO WON THE FREE MODULES ???

[@darugdawg2453]

imagine dogfighting in 2020 kek

[@ironsideeve2955]

Lol i love the evolution of Jeff. He’s gone from ‘not that good in a merge’ to ‘beast’ in 12 months or so.

[@Blackbirdz2000]

i guess it has to do with people finally learning the strengths and weaknesses of this Jeff which BTW is still very new in DCS world's community, 1 year is nothing......But credit goes to DCS community and people like Growling Sidewinder and his server to really dissect this aircraft's performance and potential. It really comes down to ''man behind the machine'' who makes the differences isnt it?

[@Audfile]

I mean he's dogfighting like every day and applying his brain.

[@ecpgieicg]

Lol. The not good part was about guns only fights. But ya its funny

[@g43654]

Expectation: Chinese. Reality: the sweetest English cockpit voice, in a JF-17.

[@venome447]

it's not a Chinese Plane at all .. but yes, it was built using Chinese Aviation Industries, Jointly by Pakistanis and Chinese ,, and when we talk Pakistanis, it means their decades old experience with the F-16, and what they forced Chinese experts to achieve ... why not build in Pakistan, 1) Inadequate Industrial Setup 2) a non experienced workforce.

[@zhuravl-m2285]

@@venome447 I don't get it. How is it not a Chinese plane? The chief designer was also involved in the work of J-10. Pakistan experience with F-16 helped to an extent, but mostly the design was by CAC.

[@zeeshanzafar2843]

@@zhuravl-m2285 because Chinese airforce doesn't have this plane 🤷🏻‍♂️ it is manufactured in Pakistan

[@zhuravl-m2285]

@Musa Ahmad The J-10 is a continued development from the previous (failed) project, the J-9 which in fact predates the Lavi. Mikoyan was more involved in the design than the Israelis The JL-9 is the final iteration of the Super 7, not the JF-17. Learn about what you are talking about first, then talk

[@meanderingmarley3910]

I watch these particular videos strictly for the JF-17 "Betty". I wish she was a bit louder, though. GS? A little mixing help, please?

[@HH-dd2xq]

Oh shit... BOOM. Black screen fades... "Hey, you... you're finally awake."

[@kksan]

"Wake up, Gordon Freeman"

[@MMuraseofSandvich]

"I think I can get lucky..." *bang* Me: "Nope..." Screen: NOPE.

[@babouras123]

lol, same here.

[@godzillakaijuboy]

F

[@slyderace]

lol me too. Exact same time! :P

[@Vanessaira-Retro]

OMG, I totally had the same reaction. Was like yeah that ah, NOPE! GS: Nope XD

[@syedusamamanzoor1838]

hahahahahaha

[@mattfleming86]

I swear I love that little (F16+F18)/2

[@tachikomakusanagi3744]

Check out the YF-17

[@tayztayz2318]

The Taiwanese AIDC F-CK-1 Ching-kuo was based on the F5 family The Japanese Mitsubishi F-2 is a multirole fighter derived from the General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon. The Israeli Lavi was an unsuccessful F16 knockoff The Israeli Nesher & Kfir and South African Atlas Cheetah are local takes on the Mirage III/V The LCA Tejas is considered a failed Indian attempt to assemble their own “light” Mirage 2000s The Chinese used the MiG 21 as a base in developing J7s and J8s and the MiG 19 for the FT-6. Similarly the Su27, Su33 and Su35 platform has been used for the J11s, J15s and J16s Now coming to the Pakistani semi indigenous JF17 which has been called a “the ultimate MiG 21 ”, “poorman’s F16” and “a F16 & MiG21 hybrid”. These are the following theories from which it came from Heir of the MiG21 The JF17 arose from the Super Sabre II and Super 7 project which was aimed at making a better J-7 fighter jet for the Pakistani Airforce. This theory seems to be the most credible as the JF17 was initially called the Super 7 before being renamed as the JF17. Thus the JF17 descends from the MiG21 family. However not everyone accepts this 'SUPER-7' set to take maiden flight Made in Pakistan F-16 According to this theory with the Super 7 project going nowhere, the PAF decided it would simply make its own F16 from the fleet it had at its disposal they teamed up with the Chinese and built a design which helped to mitigate some of the limitations of the F16 A/Bs in service with the PAF Frankenstein Fighter This theory contends that the JF17 is a hybrid of the best things of the F16 and MiG21. Thanks to China’s access to F-16 design specs that joint venture resulted in an amalgamation of F-16 and Mig-21 characteristics, creating an aircraft that some contend is greater than the sum of its parts. Elements of both aircraft can be seen in the FC-1 (JF-17 in Pakistan), with the F-16’s nose and tail joined by a distinctly MiG-21 wing design. The single engine MiG 29 MiG-33 was the development designation of the aircraft that was eventually delivered as the MiG-29. Certain variants of the MiG-29 were designated MiG-33.The designation MiG-33 has been associated with two different Mikoyan fighter designs. It was first employed for a single-engine, lightweight strike fighter similar in capabilities to the General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon. More formally known as "Project 33", development work began on this design about 1980, but was cancelled in 1986 as the result of changing Soviet Air Forces requirements. According to this theory in 1998 China purchased the design and test data from Russia to aid in expediting the development of the JF-17 Thunder. Single Engine MiG-29 ? Return of the Tigershark A new theory on the market is that the JF17 is actually a modernized F20 Tigershark. The Northrop F20 was called the “best fighter that never went into production”. Northrop actually pitched the F20 for the PAF in 1980s by marketing the aircraft to the Pakistan Air Force with a license production manufacture of the aircraft. It was evaluated by a Pakistani contingent in the United States, with the F-20 being flown by Abbas Mirza, a senior Pakistani Air Force fighter pilot. Of the components of the F-20, the radar would end up being the most successful; Taiwan selected it for the Ching-kuo, South Korea also adopted it for the KAI T 50 Eagle. Under Project Sabre II and the Chinese Super-7 project, the F-7 airframe was redesigned with angled air intakes on the sides of the fuselage so a solid radome nose could house radar and other avionics from Northrop's F-20 "Tigershark" fighter. So some say the JF17 is a bigger better F20 Tigershark. So in the end we can see there are many who claim the JF17 actually descended from this or that fighter but in the end the JF17 is largely making a name on its own capability instead on the name of another fighter.

[@Ph1z3r]

@@tachikomakusanagi3744yf17 is f18

[@tachikomakusanagi3744]

@@Ph1z3r I agree, but there are some differences hence the new US fighter designation.

[@exploreradverturer8396]

JF-17 is an absolute beauty.

[@commandergeokam2868]

I prefer the f16 or the j10

[@commandergeokam2868]

@@cooldude-co9kg i mean they are prettier

[@commandergeokam2868]

@@cooldude-co9kg and the f16 is low cost and is definitely more capable

[@commandergeokam2868]

@@cooldude-co9kg so the block 3 is better than a block 70/72 viper with the best radar and weapons ?

[@commandergeokam2868]

@@cooldude-co9kg you mean this JF-17A Block 3-Single-seat variant. Projected to feature further avionics advancements such as helmet-mounted display and sight (HMD/S) system, a new single panel multi-functional display (MFD), an active electronically-scanned array (AESA) radar paired with an infrared search and track (IRST) system, and a cockpit with a flight-control stick on the side, an NRIET KLJ-7A AESA radar,[186][187] more use of composites, a new engine, and a two-seater cockpit option, with a top speed of 2.0+ Mach.[77][124][188] Pakistani Air Force officials have described it as a "fourth generation plus" fighter jet. According to unconfirmed media reports the induction is expected to start around 2019.[189] As of September 2016, the design of the JF-17 Block III has been finalized.[190][191][192][193] The PAF is expected to place an order for 50 JF-17 Block-III fighter jets in the first half of 2017.[194]

[@briandunham8615]

JF-17 doesn't seem to be too bad of a fighter. Definitely a plane I rarely hear about tho ngl

[@Mike_Romeo]

Actually its the best none bluefor fighter (in dcs).

[@ВячеславФролов-д7я]

It's worse than f16 in bvr, worse than f18 in air to ground (just can't lift that much ordinance) so it's not so popular in community. As a jeff pilot, I can say it's really capable but you know, the best plane always gets all that attention.

[@jycannel4626]

@@ВячеславФролов-д7я The jf is great at bvr when you have a flight of them, the SA is amazing and when u loft them sd10s u can get 50nm reliably

[@arguywindham1101]

Its decent its best features are its modern sensor suite along with the missiles. The situational awareness provided by the MPCD RWR is great. Engine is wimpy IMO.

[@ffwrdm8332]

@@ВячеславФролов-д7я actually I have to disagree with you, I think the JF-17 is much more superior at Air to ground then the F-18. The F-18 can’t carry A/G weapons on most the pylons. A JF with GB-6 SFW x2 and BRM-90 pods x2 (38 laser rockets) will take the F-18 3x rearms to get anywhere near the same amount of ordinance. The F-18 can only carry 4x MAV’s for anti-tank and that’s it for A/G for that trip. Same for Anti radiation missiles. As for the JF it can carry 38 laser rockets for anti-tank plus it has another 2x pylons for more ordnance. For Sead it can carry the same amount of anti-radiation missiles as the F-18 but still have another 2 pylons for more weapons. So although it has less pylons it can actually carry more ordinance when it comes to A/G. Also the TGP in the F-18 is horrible to use compared to the F-18. When the F-16 gets all it ground attack weapons it will also completely dominate the F-18 for A/G also with it SFW glide bombs.

[@willvp9186]

omg the JF-17s ai voice is so calm

[@nicholassummerlee6843]

The JF-17 looks like a Hornet and Viper had a baby.

[@learn_networking1]

Yes by structure looks similar to F 18 But really a combat proven bro

[@keirfarnum6811]

That’s intentional; hence the “17” in between 16 and 18. It’s made to be a combination of the two. There’s a comment up above where they talk about the Pakistani guy who headed the development and they picked “17” just for that reason.

[@flanker2724]

@@learn_networking1 where?

[@sharpshooter1139]

@@flanker2724 27 February 2019

[@flanker2724]

@@sharpshooter1139 JEFFS didn’t even come close to IAF M2Ks. Used only for ground roles.

[@elijahglasser1421]

Looks like if 17 jet is one of the new cool jets

[@Pacifist-wf4dz]

Just a copy of f16

[@ryanjonathanmartin3933]

@@Pacifist-wf4dz no it's not lol. It's a unique design.

[@tayztayz2318]

@@ryanjonathanmartin3933 The Taiwanese AIDC F-CK-1 Ching-kuo was based on the F5 family The Japanese Mitsubishi F-2 is a multirole fighter derived from the General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon. The Israeli Lavi was an unsuccessful F16 knockoff The Israeli Nesher & Kfir and South African Atlas Cheetah are local takes on the Mirage III/V The LCA Tejas is considered a failed Indian attempt to assemble their own “light” Mirage 2000s The Chinese used the MiG 21 as a base in developing J7s and J8s and the MiG 19 for the FT-6. Similarly the Su27, Su33 and Su35 platform has been used for the J11s, J15s and J16s Now coming to the Pakistani semi indigenous JF17 which has been called a “the ultimate MiG 21 ”, “poorman’s F16” and “a F16 & MiG21 hybrid”. These are the following theories from which it came from Heir of the MiG21 The JF17 arose from the Super Sabre II and Super 7 project which was aimed at making a better J-7 fighter jet for the Pakistani Airforce. This theory seems to be the most credible as the JF17 was initially called the Super 7 before being renamed as the JF17. Thus the JF17 descends from the MiG21 family. However not everyone accepts this 'SUPER-7' set to take maiden flight Made in Pakistan F-16 According to this theory with the Super 7 project going nowhere, the PAF decided it would simply make its own F16 from the fleet it had at its disposal they teamed up with the Chinese and built a design which helped to mitigate some of the limitations of the F16 A/Bs in service with the PAF Frankenstein Fighter This theory contends that the JF17 is a hybrid of the best things of the F16 and MiG21. Thanks to China’s access to F-16 design specs that joint venture resulted in an amalgamation of F-16 and Mig-21 characteristics, creating an aircraft that some contend is greater than the sum of its parts. Elements of both aircraft can be seen in the FC-1 (JF-17 in Pakistan), with the F-16’s nose and tail joined by a distinctly MiG-21 wing design. The single engine MiG 29 MiG-33 was the development designation of the aircraft that was eventually delivered as the MiG-29. Certain variants of the MiG-29 were designated MiG-33.The designation MiG-33 has been associated with two different Mikoyan fighter designs. It was first employed for a single-engine, lightweight strike fighter similar in capabilities to the General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon. More formally known as "Project 33", development work began on this design about 1980, but was cancelled in 1986 as the result of changing Soviet Air Forces requirements. According to this theory in 1998 China purchased the design and test data from Russia to aid in expediting the development of the JF-17 Thunder. Single Engine MiG-29 ? Return of the Tigershark A new theory on the market is that the JF17 is actually a modernized F20 Tigershark. The Northrop F20 was called the “best fighter that never went into production”. Northrop actually pitched the F20 for the PAF in 1980s by marketing the aircraft to the Pakistan Air Force with a license production manufacture of the aircraft. It was evaluated by a Pakistani contingent in the United States, with the F-20 being flown by Abbas Mirza, a senior Pakistani Air Force fighter pilot. Of the components of the F-20, the radar would end up being the most successful; Taiwan selected it for the Ching-kuo, South Korea also adopted it for the KAI T 50 Eagle. Under Project Sabre II and the Chinese Super-7 project, the F-7 airframe was redesigned with angled air intakes on the sides of the fuselage so a solid radome nose could house radar and other avionics from Northrop's F-20 "Tigershark" fighter. So some say the JF17 is a bigger better F20 Tigershark. So in the end we can see there are many who claim the JF17 actually descended from this or that fighter but in the end the JF17 is largely making a name on its own capability instead of piggybacking on the name of another fighter.

[@tayztayz2318]

@@ryanjonathanmartin3933 The Taiwanese AIDC F-CK-1 Ching-kuo was based on the F5 family The Japanese Mitsubishi F-2 is a multirole fighter derived from the General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon. The Israeli Lavi was an unsuccessful F16 knockoff The Israeli Nesher & Kfir and South African Atlas Cheetah are local takes on the Mirage III/V The LCA Tejas is considered a failed Indian attempt to assemble their own “light” Mirage 2000s The Chinese used the MiG 21 as a base in developing J7s and J8s and the MiG 19 for the FT-6. Similarly the Su27, Su33 and Su35 platform has been used for the J11s, J15s and J16s Now coming to the Pakistani semi indigenous JF17 which has been called a “the ultimate MiG 21 ”, “poorman’s F16” and “a F16 & MiG21 hybrid”. These are the following theories from which it came from Heir of the MiG21 The JF17 arose from the Super Sabre II and Super 7 project which was aimed at making a better J-7 fighter jet for the Pakistani Airforce. This theory seems to be the most credible as the JF17 was initially called the Super 7 before being renamed as the JF17. Thus the JF17 descends from the MiG21 family. However not everyone accepts this 'SUPER-7' set to take maiden flight Made in Pakistan F-16 According to this theory with the Super 7 project going nowhere, the PAF decided it would simply make its own F16 from the fleet it had at its disposal they teamed up with the Chinese and built a design which helped to mitigate some of the limitations of the F16 A/Bs in service with the PAF Frankenstein Fighter This theory contends that the JF17 is a hybrid of the best things of the F16 and MiG21. Thanks to China’s access to F-16 design specs that joint venture resulted in an amalgamation of F-16 and Mig-21 characteristics, creating an aircraft that some contend is greater than the sum of its parts. Elements of both aircraft can be seen in the FC-1 (JF-17 in Pakistan), with the F-16’s nose and tail joined by a distinctly MiG-21 wing design. The single engine MiG 29 MiG-33 was the development designation of the aircraft that was eventually delivered as the MiG-29. Certain variants of the MiG-29 were designated MiG-33.The designation MiG-33 has been associated with two different Mikoyan fighter designs. It was first employed for a single-engine, lightweight strike fighter similar in capabilities to the General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon. More formally known as "Project 33", development work began on this design about 1980, but was cancelled in 1986 as the result of changing Soviet Air Forces requirements. According to this theory in 1998 China purchased the design and test data from Russia to aid in expediting the development of the JF-17 Thunder. Single Engine MiG-29 ? Return of the Tigershark A new theory on the market is that the JF17 is actually a modernized F20 Tigershark. The Northrop F20 was called the “best fighter that never went into production”. Northrop actually pitched the F20 for the PAF in 1980s by marketing the aircraft to the Pakistan Air Force with a license production manufacture of the aircraft. It was evaluated by a Pakistani contingent in the United States, with the F-20 being flown by Abbas Mirza, a senior Pakistani Air Force fighter pilot. Of the components of the F-20, the radar would end up being the most successful; Taiwan selected it for the Ching-kuo, South Korea also adopted it for the KAI T 50 Eagle. Under Project Sabre II and the Chinese Super-7 project, the F-7 airframe was redesigned with angled air intakes on the sides of the fuselage so a solid radome nose could house radar and other avionics from Northrop's F-20 "Tigershark" fighter. So some say the JF17 is a bigger better F20 Tigershark. So in the end we can see there are many who claim the JF17 actually descended from this or that fighter but in the end the JF17 is largely making a name on its own capability instead of piggybacking on the name of another fighter.

[@SpikeHead-Cactus]

The only good thing Jeff needs is a good engine. Just my thinking! Also Jeff-17 Vs falcon-16

[@Mike_Romeo]

Agree plus a better gun. And better fox 2 missiles. And a HMD ;)

[@SAMX4949]

Jeff V Rafale, idk who'd win but whomever it is it'll be a bloodbath kill for one.

[@zongxina1817]

@@Mike_Romeo bruh it's a 32 million dollars jet

[@Lcr34]

Jeff is in the Gripen, FA-50, Tejas, Mirage 2000 class rather than F16.

[@munnumkhalid]

@@Mike_Romeo fox 2 are not bad. And Jeff support hmd its even has a switch and port for this in cockpit of Jeff in Dcs. But since no one in real life uses it that's why it's not even in the game. The Jeff guns are pointed down word for the ground attack. And it is very good in that.

[@gavinbranch5467]

Ive been playing sims and watching all sorts of aviation videos for like a year now and while I was watching this vid my dad was listening and decided to ask me if I wanted to try to get a private pilots license..... I’m so hyped holy shit

[@dutchbrotherfan1284]

Thats a sweet deal. Apparently your dad believes your capable. Hmm perhaps a career if this becomes a passion.

[@darugdawg2453]

@@dutchbrotherfan1284 its fuking hard to get in. unless you know a general or youre just too good during eval

[@kaim4210]

Someone wrote its hard etc to become pilot, but all you gotta do is just work and try no point in being scared it doesn't work. Good luck dude hope it works out well and you enjoy it 👌👍👍

[@syedusamamanzoor1838]

Dude! Best of luck! And you're dad is an asset. Take care of him. Also, happy new year! :)

[@ryanjonathanmartin3933]

All the best man. 👍

[@tahaejazkhan6037]

I want to see JF-17 Block 3! Even an unofficial mod would do. It'd be great to fire PL-15s, use HMD, a better engine and an AESA radar. Would finally boost the Red Force to compete with the Blue Force.

[@ingdo8707]

Block 3 has come out, with a similar appearance, but with electronic equipment and warning systems. The engine did not change.

[@farhanullah7421]

@@ingdo8707 RD-93MA got delayed, the PAC engineers have tweaked the engine themselves.

[@DCMAKER133]

You really need to do more scenario/simulated 2V2, 3V3 etc PVP battles. Seeing the teamwork and the different objectives are hands down the most fun videos to watch!!!! Seeing you communicate with others via tipping the wings and using comms is the best entertainment!

[@ahedulasfeekhan4083]

JF-17 is good and dangerous.

[@iamHimansh07]

@NoneOfThe Above ɪɴᴅɪᴀ'ꜱ ʀᴀꜰᴀʟᴇ ᴀɴᴅ ꜱᴜ30ᴍᴋɪ ᴀʀᴇ ᴇɴᴏᴜɢʜ ꜰᴏʀ ᴊꜰ17

[@jagernut5204]

Perfect. Been wondering which one i should buy lately. This vid helped me make my decision. good job as always!

[@CipherGL]

Dude buy f18 it can do everything

[@faqirmohammadabdullah2906]

Awesome flying, great to see you back in the Jeff

[@aidanstaples12]

2nd day of winter break and second day of growing sidewinder life is seaming pretty peachy

[@SwimbaitDevin]

There is a very serious community of 1v1 Merge Dogfighters in the GTAV. The game is nothing close to the real thing but it does harden the fundamentals of defense flying and aggressive speed tactics. I had a huge interest in it for a few years and competed in multiple tournaments against 200+ other pilots around the world. I eventually grinding hard enough to be named within the top 5 in that community but stopped at a skill ceiling when I didn’t have any other challengers qualified enough to push me further. There is many course correction techniques I would of loved to try in DCS in a 1v1 dogfight. For example a forced upward or downward corkscrew. In the GTA physics stalling occurred much more rapidly and allowed techniques from pivoting after a stall to Cobra Maneuvers to kill your opponent easier than usual. Eventually there was 2 very distinctive techniques, the slower dogfighter that understands how to use stalling to his/her advantage and speed flyers that understand the correlation of the enemy pilot turning at a moment to counter react by attempting to remain behind their opponents until they make a slip in their vector. Does DCS have similar styles of dogfighting? Love the videos

[@SayedI313]

If Dave chappelle was watching this, after the exposition he would say, "In your face beaches"

[@brothergunns5055]

I would love to see the Tejas Mk1A in DCS. The rivalry between the Tejas and the Jeff would be epic.

[@ashbah87]

Buhahahaha. . . 😂 You mean that Samosa??? Rejected by IAF!

[@ryanjonathanmartin3933]

@@ashbah87 It was inducted into service almost five years ago.

[@ryanjonathanmartin3933]

Yes that battle will be legendary 🤩

[@abn.berlin1310]

Samosa with chae 😍😀

[@brothergunns5055]

@@abn.berlin1310 along with chatni made of Junk Fighter-17 Blunder

[@legacyr6920]

Perfect way to spend my layover on my way home for Christmas 😎 thanks GS

[@alihaidershah3351]

Jeff 17 is a quite awesome fighter jet with a small building cost . Appreciated

[@siratthebox]

That missile did a fucking 180? BRUH.

[@shiekhwaleedmiral-protein2819]

It was Chinese!!! Lmao

[@Blackbirdz2000]

@@shiekhwaleedmiral-protein2819 tera dimagh theek ha k nai?

[@shiekhwaleedmiral-protein2819]

@@Blackbirdz2000 jai hind!

[@Blackbirdz2000]

@@shiekhwaleedmiral-protein2819 jai bund!

[@shiekhwaleedmiral-protein2819]

@@Blackbirdz2000 Aap Pakistani ho?

[@RT42069]

That SD-10 thought it was a Javelin.

[@f38stingray]

Do a fight with the A-10 - that way, when you get shot in the face, at least you'll survive.

[@cellokid5104]

The missle truly knew where it was

[@SON-hz8tt]

That missile really motivated me? What a commitment ❤️

[@johnbrady7431]

Don't have time to watch at the moment, but thanks for the content, GS! You are putting out some great ACM content!

[@off_grid_javelin]

I can't believe that combat criteria can be bent in such a way that a jf 17 can stand up to a hornet 😂😂😂

[@Peterax788]

Well that SD-10 doing 180° was I guess the best moment in your videos this year. Maybe you can do a compilation GS - of best fights

[@blinthepannkek6173]

Both planes looks so similar from a distance

[@rgrrgrsxndngr1904]

Hahaha the slow motion kill music!

[@MrGoyo21gg]

When the missile did the 180 did he get a missile warning, a break, then another warning? Or just a missile warning when it turned back into him. I'd be real interested in knowing what his situational awareness was during that sequence.

[@placebo2682]

Always a pleasure to see the Jeff in action- good video.

[@zhuravl-m2285]

Lmao the Hornet tried to pull a cobra in the first fight. Like trying to do a backflip but halfway through you remember you're 80lbs overweight hahaha

[@garyhendershot9153]

Great vid! I'd love to see a classic Korea era fight between a phantom and a Mig 21... The F4 phantom, proof that with enough thrust, even a brick can fly.. LOL

[@darkaviator8382]

4:54 “I could get lucky here” *boom* right after he finishes his sentence :>

[@lavenderpro4730]

It would be interesting if the jeffs have some cup holders beside.. ☕❤️

[@sknokaze]

You shot him in the face, and he shot you in the face too. Congratulations, you guys are brothers! (Got drag out)

[@LongShotChannel]

Its only fair.

[@Khyber_1]

That F-16 inspired airframe design coming in handy.

[@agent4770]

Hey bud merry Christmas to you and your team..if possible can you do a Rafael and j 17 scenario??

[@FilipBzik]

GS, kudos for video editing with an amazing music compilation! I really like the combination of music, clear voice and perfect editing in slo-montion =)

[@finexbxmastr46]

Wow for once he flew the non american plane

[@lobster838]

What's wrong with the JF-17's gun?

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

JF-17’s gun has negative (downward) mounting angle. This means in AA combat you need to pull massive amounts of lead to hit the target. also the reticle is not very good making a hard job even harder.

[@lobster838]

@@GrowlingSidewinder ah makes sense, i suppose it's optimized for use against ground targets

[@ВячеславФролов-д7я]

Also its projectiles fly much slower than m61's, ammo count is not that high and it can jam if you try to fire all 250 rounds in 1-2 bursts

[@danishbegmirza]

JF-17's gun is good, it's the gunsight that is not tailored to ACM. Also, it's different from the Vulcan. It is a much harder hitting gun though.

[@ВячеславФролов-д7я]

@@lobster838 it just came from an old mig21, and in that years Russians thought it's enough to kill one, maybe two planes with it, and it is exactly purpose of mig21- take off, intercept, land, repeat.

[@Alex96194]

This is a very interesting dogfight. It depends on the merge because these aircraft have their ups and downs. Great video!!!

[@kaiezesi6630]

YOU TEASE ME! JF17 VS F16 PLZZZZ

[@SpikeHead-Cactus]

Yes! Much needed.

[@ffwrdm8332]

Thin about it. If he did a video of the F-16 vs JF and the JF did anything that was remotely any good the blue biased community would just be crying lies lies lies.

[@CNCTEMATIC]

Great fights. Longshot is really aggressive, like it! (You can see the limitations of the damage modelling pretty starkly in the last fight here)

[@LongShotChannel]

I am 😈 lol. Thanks dude, im glad you liked it.

[@kelvinkudirical1438]

U shouldn't have used f 18 vs jf 17 Indian airforce is buying medium weight fighters in which rafael and f 18 are lead contenders ............here f 18 losing just one round against jf 17 but still if this video is watched by some pilots of Indian air force means that they wont be in favour to f 18

[@tomaszwota1465]

Huh? I don't think a professional fighter pilot will decide in favor or otherwise based on DCS fight on youtube.

[@kelvinkudirical1438]

@@tomaszwota1465 yeah that is also truuuuu

[@zoots15]

Hey GS, great content as always. I saw on another guys channel where he put the controls indicator on screen (pasted it up in top left of screen in a bit larger format) to see how the controls were being used (throttle/rudder/stick). Was wondering if you would try this in one of your vids, would love to see it. Cheers

[@pots_83]

I’m not really into planes of flight sims but for some reason I can’t stop watching these!

[@trollingtrolled4514]

It was Interesting to see that in round 2 that Hornets AMRAM did a complete 180 to try to gain lead even tho the missile was in front. Wow

[@trollingtrolled4514]

@@CameTo yeah...

[@saadshujaat6152]

It’s only Block 2 of JF-17 Block 3 is coming soon!!!!

[@Mike_Romeo]

Not for DCS.

[@uziman1322]

@@Mike_Romeo i think its here. not sure but in real life it has a new AESA radar, pl-10 missile and pl-15 bvr missile with a long ass range.

[@Mike_Romeo]

@@uziman1322 Block 3 is still in developement and not in service lmao. Even if, we wont get it for DCS for a long long time. DCS is a STUDY SIM and not a game. They wont get enough datas due to classification to recreate is accuratly for DCS.

[@jasiraslam]

JF17 vs Rafale would be interesting.

[@rickmasseur2008]

You called the mutual kill, GS!

[@babouras123]

Seeing that your pilot's face appears to attract bullets and fox 3s, perhaps you could make tsaffs, patent it, and sell the patent as countermeasures :P. Just kidding, I love your videos, always great fun and immensely informative!

[@azhariqbal1212]

Excellent editing love to watch your videos and excellent feedback.

[@bilalyousuf5208]

I wish we could have the YF-23 in DCS 😍😍😦 It was such a beauty!! Hit the thumb's up below if you agree...

[@anuragmishra5312]

Brother please recommend some combat simulator games, my laptop spec are 4gb ram, windows 10, 64 bits, i3 processor@1.9GHz. Old is gold, even older combat simulator games are ok for me

[@royal-vj3ef]

Ace combat

[@jycannel4626]

Falcon 4.0 BMS is good for old systems its a game from the 90s but very good, u need to install the mod for it to work though :)

[@anuragmishra5312]

@@royal-vj3ef thanks bro

[@anuragmishra5312]

@@intag8655 thanks brother

[@anuragmishra5312]

@@jycannel4626 thanks brother

[@palker4]

that 180 from that missile, if they keep up the work they will be doing no scope 360 kills soon.

[@fazelmahmood4408]

Jeff won

[@sightline4004]

YES!, you didn't use full afterburner the entire time. Good fight.

[@vivekdeokar4248]

Make a video on HAL tajes vs JF 17 Tundar

[@aarifboy]

Pak needs to integrate Meteor missiles to JF17s. Also Pak shud use Mirage 2000 engines in JF17s, as was planned initially, sigh 😁

[@TheZeek34]

Round Tw... : nevermind Moving on ROUND 3 !!!

[@hartunstart]

16:30 chance to get your own missile back at your lap.

[@JustalDragoone]

I call that last round a draw yet you both killed each other lol

[@dr.alamzebkhan9184]

Tea is fantastic sir

[@aceblack3175]

Waoo awsome please make more videos with jeff love to see that love from Pakistan

[@HamzaKhan-ky1mt]

I wonder how bad/decent would the Mirage/JF do against AIM 9Xs with their PL5Es and Magics, *wink* *wink*

[@qc_ploum-zoum2]

Its impressive that a 40+ years old plane can defend itself against a younger plane. But yeah, Canada is in need of an upgrade.

[@DCMAKER133]

@4:00 I wish there was a tactical tear down for that 2nd round because I have no idea how he tears and got that missile off/ seeing from cockpit view is confusing...I feel like he did a 180 drift in midair.

[@LongShotChannel]

Yup. Great pull while using the vertical.

[@VAPOURIZE100]

Sooo F5 + MIG 21 + F16 + F18 = JF17

[@canebrakeruffian1122]

To set these engagements up in pvp, is the merge agreed upon? How does that work?

[@rampageTG]

8:22 Jesus that missile was going for employ of the month. Where is Craig Alanson, we need him to write a story about this missile.

[@MuhammadUsman-op5us]

the world is now proving that PAKISTAN JF 17 is no joke

[@anishdynamo]

😂😂 jf17 is trash bro.. don't get fooled by the game.. don't get your hopes up

[@royal-vj3ef]

Chill dumbass just a game 🤣🤣🤣 jf17 still junk fighter

[@hiteshadhikari]

Its a game with mod and things put not a real aircraft test. Its merely a simulation. Also its a Chinese jet

[@hiteshadhikari]

Which they bought from Russians (abandoned russian project)

[@MuhammadUsman-op5us]

@@anishdynamo FOR YOU JUST REMEMBER TEA IS FANTASTIC AUR APNI TEAM KA TO HAAL DEKH HI LIA

[@fairtigemarketing316]

Could you please do jf17 vs LCA tejas

[@michaelskilwies4863]

SEAD demonstration

[@Audfile]

I am like 6 months away from a monster PC. Just for this. Meanwhile these vids in 4K and my PS5 and I'm solid.

[@michaellu3357]

Hopefully in next update will see the gun pipper jittering issue being eliminated.

[@Blackbirdz2000]

yeah that issue of Jeff is not getting fixed

[@THEKING-fv7vr]

In my experience, the two aircraft are about as neck and neck as you can get in a dogfight, though my money would be on the hornet. At lower speeds, the Jf-17 does appear to be able to pull very tight turns on par with the hornet BUT, the Thunder will generally loose a rate fight with it.

[@swamptalkpodcast8744]

That jf-17 looks like a mix of hornet viper and eagle please tell me if that’s on purpose @GrowlingSidewinder

[@Somerandom216FTW]

Pause the video at 5:17. What a background picture.

[@RobRoam]

Great debrief - learning lots here!!

[@darkfoxly7227]

4:54 where you are not able to complete what you are saying, "Oh s-"

[@firebpm4977]

curious question, what was the justification of being in burner going downhill just before that first kill? I would have thought energy development in the vertical going down wouldnt require that kind of burner...?

[@timsullivan4566]

love these fox 3 duels!

[@mr.normalguy69]

Can't wait to see the Jeff go against the Rafale.

[@zeeshanzafar2843]

I know why 😂

[@mikeropaynus410]

Jf 17 is the 16 and 18 in one! Copyright infringement on them

[@MuhammadUmar-jb3qz]

Love watching you play man

[@Shahtoys888]

lol jets dont maneuver like crazy even jets like gripen and rafale would stall by pointing nose up and down and sideways at all timea

[@IcePhoenix_yt]

Good fight

[@KJ-kn8pg]

Hey Mr disrespect.

[@awacsnato3960]

F-22 raptor, please advise, multiple thunderstorms bearing 190 degrees from your south. Recommend correcting course to 90 degree east, maintain 500 knots at 25000 ft to approach runway.

[@eremmon]

Speaking of rudder advantage, do you use any foot pedals in your setup?

[@tomaszwota1465]

I can't imagine he doesn't.

[@bettecoughran1128]

Dude if i owned a country and needed fighters i would chose the jf17

[@zulicurah9414]

those death sticks can get really weird sometimes :P

[@thehornwortofhornwort9832]

Hello, could someone tell me the name of the music at 3:20? Thanks!

[@lee.as.in.l.e.e.7394]

F 16 vs JF 17

[@ingdo8707]

Hyun's Realm 2周前 F 16 win

[@Rusty-iv9qi]

Would you say that track IR or VR is better for somebody getting into DCS World?

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Trackir

[@Rusty-iv9qi]

@@GrowlingSidewinder Cool, thanks for responding

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

my pleasure

[@Cragified]

I do wonder if the performance of the SD-10 is part of why ED said they will be taking over all weapon coding in the future.

[@Mike_Romeo]

It is but not only.

[@PolarBearSeal]

With the way ED's missiles performed before the SD-10 came, not sure that's a good thing.

[@Cragified]

@@PolarBearSeal I am on the fence myself. While I think certain modules have weapons that are out of jive with the world of DCS (not saying overperforming compared to RL though that is certainly a possibility). And thus having a standardization is good. The time it takes for ED to get around to updating or adding makes me wonder if future modules might be lacking weapon systems until ED feels the desire (I.E. their own module) to do them.

[@ffwrdm8332]

Um the SD-10 is the Aim-120. In august or September there was a bug that only effected ED aircraft where they always detected the SD-10 missile no matter how far away it was or in any mode. For example a SD-10 fired at 60nm in TWS the F-18 would get I stand warning. So as a workaround until ED can fix it ED decided to make the SD-10 is all the aim-120 files. All they did was change the burn time and decreased how resistant it was to counter measures but everything else is the same. So your biased opinion is in fact saying the Aim-120 is OP hahahaha