Offense Teams for Beginners - Gen 3 OU Pokemon Showdown

[@Alexcoman51]

So weird that the undisputed team which was famous for having 2 bl mons is now just an OU team

[@edwinschanel]

Now UU

[@darksloomianlegacyworld3211]

late to the party, however the move beat up reveals all of your mons nicknames like "Mike's hit!" and such, but if they dont have any nicknames, it reveals their names like "Blissey's hit!" so make sure to name all of your mons!!

[@tecul1]

on showdown, this was removed for convenience in game tho this is required

[@dadiscoverychannel]

lololol mike shit

[@wildtacocat]

Tyranitar’s Gen 3 sprite really does hit different

[@maxinator2869]

Jim I want to thank you. You've given me a new hobby and an almost free entry point to try out different teams on P-Showdown so I can learn the game properly. Thank you and may you prosper.

[@melanie735]

The thing that scares me the most about using Charizard, is missing Fire Blast against Magneton. Btw thank you for this cool and nice vid.

[@jimothycool]

you can try Flamethrower + HP Ice/Grass + Beat Up + Overheat if you want more accurate options. ABR likes that set

[@melanie735]

@@jimothycool that sounds super cool!

[@Machoke.]

Sometimes that is just the way it goes. For me charizard special atk just isn’t high enough for me to confidently one hit ko so I run fireblast. I’m also kinda new to gen 3 OU. I have more experience with gen 1

[@OMGHIDE]

Honestly it’s kinda crazy how Gen 3 is getting so much traction again.

[@ExpandDong420]

People are getting increasingly disillusioned by modern gens, so naturally they flock to past gens, among which Gen 3 is particularly fondly regarded

[@Sanninsuplex]

^ me rn

[@BreakTheIce222]

It's probably cus of the disappointment & gimmicks with recent gens.

[@nulifrost]

I'm currently struggling very hard to get into SV singles. Your first little monologue of the video really summed up my feelings so far lol.

[@Bager_RBN]

A bit late to the party here, but as someone who started with competitive pokemon a few weeks ago, I can definitely confirm that big 5 teams are not easy wins for beginners. I tried the big 5 starmie sample team and had a tough time figuring out both what I wanted to do and what my opponent wanted to do at the same time, which was quite overwhelming. I got knowledge checked left and right and didn't understand when to bring in what mon or when to be aggressive/defensive. Then I tried the sample special offense zapdug team, which felt very intuitive for someone who has experience from other strategy games but don't really know pokemon intricacies yet. After a some time with that team I tried a big 5 team again, and it felt a lot more logical when I had learned more about spike management, trapping and making educated guesses on teams based on the first 1-3 mons you see.

[@pocketvices]

Did you stick with it? I feel the same mostly, curious how this arc panned out for ya

[@Bager_RBN]

After trying a bunch of teams, I concluded that I liked the Zapdug team more than any other team I either found or built, so I ended up sticking with that. Eventually I got into the top 500 with it, and soon after that real life came and stole my already limited gaming time, so there's been very little gen 3 after that. But I had fun while it lasted!

[@pocketvices]

@@Bager_RBN hahaha, real.. well I appreciate the reply. that's a commendable placing considering nuance with end games or prioritizing threats etc, longer experienced players will be more familiarized with compared to recent players. Did you run aero with zapdug at all? And did you build or swap any of your team around yourself? I have a problem tinkering with whatever sample teams I pick up lol. It's like, maybe I'm switching mons off before intuitively understanding what their exact use cases are. Wondering if you stuck it out with a majority sample team before making changes or if you were comfortable adjusting things personally

[@Bager_RBN]

@@pocketvices I did some tweaking on the Zapdug sample team on occasion, and tried to create a physical offense-version of it at one point because I got salty from missing hydro pumps, but I eventually concluded that I couldn't really build anything better than that. I've seen that exact configuration pop up in tournaments quite a bit, so it's obviously a very good team. The thing I liked the most about the Zapdug team was that it was great at forcing punishable play patterns and blowing holes in people's teams on a good read, then figuring out a way to trade down and clean up the endgame. I've played a lot of fighting games and card games, so those concepts were very familiar. Meanwhile, hazard wars are quite unique to 1v1 pokemon, so it wasn't as intuitive to me.

[@dudedabomb]

Ever since this vid as come out I’ve jumped up 200 points with that CM spam team + dug that survives ice beam. Thanks for posting this I was having a hard time with ADV until now

[@aryth7605]

Thanks a lot, this kind of information is invaluable for relatively new players like me ! This video should be indexed in the forums so it's easier to find.

[@jasonthejazzman8521]

Jim you make ADV OU look like so much fun, and I really appreciate you making it accessible for beginners like myself. Can't wait to try these teams out!

[@justcallmeleonardo]

I'm struggling really hard trying to get into gen3. Hopefully Jim's help shall finally send me in the right direction

[@Alm0st999]

Thanks so much Jim really look forward to using your awesome char team and others, thanks again jim

[@cyburger7257]

Amazing video Jim! I think the docs link is broken; it says the page doesn't exist - might want to check the permissions on it.

[@jimothycool]

thanks, just fixed it

[@cyburger7257]

@@jimothycool My pleasure Mr. Jimothy Coolio

[@spotsthecat7913]

Charizard is underrated and good in this era. And Beat Up addition are very cool and spicy

[@chukadoo1871]

enjoyed the ramble and may pull one of these teams out, thanks !

[@wowwt]

Ok dude how can you make a video like this and not showcase the best team in the world featuring Butterfree? How DARE you!?

[@jimothycool]

It's considered unsportsmanlike to use Butterfree in competitive games, as it's not fair to others

[@wowwt]

@@jimothycool ily

[@whir0638]

This info is invaluable, and with it I shall sweep the cretins of the lower 1200's ahahaha

[@raw-b6658]

Not if I sweep you first

[@kevinarevalo8263]

I use these videos to fall asleep too they’re my comfort videos

[@baileyayyy5085]

bonus tip: play a lofi mix on low volume under this makes the experience much nicer

[@brianroberts6957]

Great video! For Agil Meta Jolt/Spikes, what was the reasoning for Baton Pass on Jolteon? If it's faster than most of the tier, would Baton Pass not nearly always function the same as switching out? Or is it supposed to have some synergy with the negative priority Roar?

[@kala__362]

Baton Pass is used on Jolteon for multiple reasons. First, Jolteon can BP out of a full health Dugtrio Trap because Duggy lives Hidden Power from full. Secondly, if you are aware of how U-Turn and Volt Switch are used, apply that knowledge to Baton Pass. When you Baton Pass on an expected switch from your opponent, you can always bring the right counter in against the newly switched in opposing Pokemon. We call that "dry passing" if you don't have boosts or a sub. This also leads to the opponent having to switch another time, racking up more spikes damage.

[@SminkingDoctor]

It is almost always the same, except for when your opponent’s Pokémon switches out. I’d say BP is better early game to scout what your opponent likes to switch to to answer Jolteon. Roar gets better as the game goes on and your opponent is kind of forced to switch to a specific spikes weak answer.

[@chess_fella]

These are some swagged up teams

[@BoomBoom-ym5oy]

the smeargle zapdos combo immediately called to me skip ahead n fits me just perfectly.

[@BoomBoom-ym5oy]

tanks jim

[@fishrocker95]

Jim…I can’t believe you didn’t showcase the Magcargo/Dunsparce/Ledian/Seaking/Seviper/Beedrill team that got me to 1000 elo on Showdown

[@user-ix2uv9er1v]

I need help bad. Highest I got on the ladder is 1247🤦‍♂️. My teams are solid, but my showdown iq is lacking

[@jimothycool]

you can join my Discord and share some of your replays if you want some feedback 😀

[@BenSharpedo]

Can you make a video going over the different spike users in gen 3?

[@blakegaley4456]

Did you ever talk about metagross? Did I miss it?

[@jimothycool]

What would you like to know about Metagross?

[@blakegaley4456]

@@jimothycool Thanks for the reply! new to the channel, been loving the ladder content! What move sets do you use? always explosion? you bring up agility gross in this vid, but I've seen you use EQ + mash + protect + explosion, so I know you dont always use agility. do you ever use mixed metagross, or do you stay away from psychic STAB because gross SpA is lower than Atk?

[@jimothycool]

​@@blakegaley4456 My most used Metagross set is the Protect one, that set makes a team more solid vs Aerodactyl and Tar and you can't go wrong with it generally. Since this team pokepast.es/3150ffffc5b492e3 has a Protect Skarm and a Swampert, I'm good enough vs Aerodactyl and Tar so I can afford to run Agility which is a more aggressive option. Agility is a more rare set but it can be great on the right team, you see it on aggressive spikes teams like this with stuff like Aero or Jolt, or Physical offense teams with Mag Mixed Meta is good, I used it on a couple of teams here. My Jynx Offense team uses it and so does my Mixed Offense. It's useful to make a team better vs both Snorlax and Gengar, and you can use certain mixed coverage to bait in and chip down common Metagross switch-ins like Skarmory (using Thunder Punch or HP Fire) or Swampert (using HP Grass) The majority of Metagross sets will use explosion, it's the best move in the format. Some teams do use Agility Metagross with Rock Slide instead of Explosion though. This is usually on Swords Dance Pass Celebi teams, after receiving the boost from Celebi the Metagross can be a win condition so it prefers Rock Slide over Explosion in that context since it wants to actually sweep and hit more things like flying types, rather than trade

[@blakegaley4456]

@@jimothycool Thank you for the in-depth explanation!

[@RileyScott]

you got me hooked at this damn you

[@alves9610]

can someone explain me why hiden power bug for Tyranitar? I feel against another Tyranitar Earthquake works better, its for Jinx or Celebi lead? Ive been playing just one week, thank you very much Jim for all this stuff, you made me the game way easier for a newcomer like me, cheers from Spain!!

[@jimothycool]

HP Bug hits Celebi, Claydol and Starmie. Double-Edge is another popular option as a 4th move for good neutral damage. Depends on the team and what you want to hit, if you can cover Starmie, Celebi and Claydol elsewhere and want something to hit Rock resists like Flygon harder, go Double-Edge I like Double-Edge when you're running Aerodactyl aswell, Smacking a Rock resist with a huge Double-Edge can often put them into range of Aero's Double Edge and let Aero clean up the game

[@jacobtoulson3619]

Jimothyyyy. My friend and I quote your private maple server series non stop. Please hook me up with a google drive or something with those vids.

[@jimothycool]

Thanks for the support!! I'll put together a google drive soon when I have the time

[@gjhartist3685]

How viable are weather teams beyond sandstorm in Gen 3 OU?

[@mattzr1550]

They're ok but usually worse than normal special offense teams and they aren't anything like later gen weather because it's more about removing sand chip for snorlax or suicune

[@9bit927]

Usually it’s not an entire weather team. Kingdra rain dances for itself and is good. Sometimes Pokémon run sunny day to bump sandstorm once ttar is dead.

[@tommyhops59]

Can someone explain Beat Up on Charizard? I don’t understand when to use it or why

[@raphaelgarcia3998]

Deals a lot of damage to Blissey

[@kurtkobain7445]

What is the music that starts at around 8:20?

[@FreshFowkz]

blissey without seismic toss is a free setup for your opponents calm-minders. And you should always run HP grass on mixed Metagross or swampart will fuck you up.

[@shevankaseneviratne1724]

Hell yes he did it and its fucking amazing!

[@milliethesillie]

also I keep thinking of magearna every time u say mag lol

[@megazardxl7844]

I tried your jynx team, won my first game and got accused for cheating safe to say I like to team so far

[@milliethesillie]

omg i played someone on ladder yesterday that was using the calm mind spam team lol

[@ThereBeGoldInThemTharHills]

Always bring Butterfree. Always.

[@nylesc8323]

Good stuff

[@08patboy]

seems kind of boring if you have to copy stock teams and have to just copy the meta to stand any chance

[@mathfrom0to96]

To understand the meta, you must have it in your hands. However, more advanced players can go off-meta with things such as Jynx.

[@aldrichunfaithful3589]

that has never been true in any meta and you can always find ways to be creative, the best players are the ones who are aware of the meta and are one step ahead, and the best teams are the ones that find the right balance of countering specific meta threats and having their own function, and eventually the meta will catch up and use those teams and people counter it to build more anti meta teams. its how these games work, and its why even when the game is decades old people find new ways to play it

[@kevinarevalo8263]

Keep making kre

[@kevinarevalo8263]

more

[@meemee2832gokubettertbh]

is this out dated

[@jimothycool]

Shouldn't be too outdated. Here's another TSS Team I've been using recently that I think is good for beginners: pokepast.es/d33854a0436c2fca

[@meemee2832gokubettertbh]

@@jimothycool I am a beginner but whats is this team's strategy?

[@meemee2832gokubettertbh]

@@jimothycool all of the team mons

[@travelandwatchcouple]

meanwhile im trolling beginners in gen 3 ou with my PU team xD