Jiu Jitsu Destroyed My Leg For Life

[@MartialArtsJourney]

Quick update: it's called a scissor takedown, not a standing scissor sweep. My bad. Also, it's doesn't seem to be 'illegal' everywhere, but it seems to be banned in many gyms and some competitions. Update #2: I really liked this comment explaining their protocol for injury in the gym. "I know out here, at any of the classes of any style, if an injury like that happened, we: 1. Stop everything and get the injured help, up to and including an ambulance call. 2. Find out how the injury happened. 3. Use the moment as a teaching moment. 4. Potentially punish the one who injured his partner if it was a situation where they knew better. That should be the base-line for injury protocol." If you want to see the Ultimate Self-Defense Championship season 2 episodes early: www.patreon.com/USDC Otherwise the show is coming out on KZbin September 8!

[@shawnmartin1306]

Stems Cells are amazing 😉

[@Tomatito1981]

Dear Rokas, I'm really sorry to hear about your injury and I can only wish you a speedy recovery. I had my leg and ankle broken by a failed Tani Otoshi in Judo and I'm simply disgusted that someone would have even attempted a kani-basami on you. I can only repeat what someone wrote below that you are an inspiration to many people. Take the time you need, focus on the family and getting yourself better and I'm certain you'll find the love again for training and martial arts. Nuoširdžiausi linkėjimai ir būkite pozityvūs bei stiprūs :)

[@MartialArtsJourney]

Ačiū

[@PHATT_TV]

@MartialArtsJourney So sorry to hear brother! Hope you recover well & with as little pain as possible. Unfortunately severe injuries are what made me slowly fizzle out of my love for mma, hope you can still push through. Either way, much respect 🫡 brother

[@DeepsGnome]

I think the best thing to do is see what happens and don't try to predict what things will be. I had a very bad leg injury, was told after surgery that it would potentially affect me for life, i then got post surgery complications, which was then told would probably affect the rest of my life even worse. It was terrible news, and went through 12-ish months of pain. However, i can now say a few years later, i have completely recovered and do multiple sports, and have a very normal life. I go the bjj gym 3 days a week and enjoy it, and continue to roll. Although i make sure to pick my partners, and only roll people I trust to not try reckless moves, or if i don't know the person i will only flow roll them, until i build trust. Point is, no pain on the injured leg. Is my leg perfect, no, but my leg doesn't cause me concern, and has 98% strength of what it used to be, which is enough for me. I think doctors have to give the worst case scenario, just incase, but honestly they just don't know how your body will recover. And the younger you are the better, so you have that on your side. Stay positive and take every week as it comes. You never know. Goodluck. I wish you a full recovery.

[@wattlebough]

“Everybody kept rolling… including the instructors.” INEXCUSABLE!! Disgusting!! Never train there again, even if you fully recover.

[@tonieins9819]

What should they have done? When you are injured move from the mats.

[@wattlebough]

@@tonieins9819 The instructor would have at the very least come over to find out what happened and check on the welfare of the injured student. An incident report is a must to find out what happened and how. The instructor has a duty of care to ensure his students train safely. That means being clear about techniques banned during free rolling when each student begins training at that academy. That means disciplinary action against students that injure other students through reckless behaviour. It means identifying aggressive or reckless students. If need be banning them from entering the school, to protect their students. The instructor has every responsibility. If he fails to take reasonable action to provide a safe training environment he can be sued and lose everything.

[@killroy2014]

@@tonieins9819 i see....you´re one of THEM. smh

[@adifferentangle7064]

​@@tonieins9819I've never been anywhere where a man going down would everyone keep going. Wouldn't matter what the reason everyone would stop until it was sorted.

[@tonieins9819]

@@adifferentangle7064 sure the instructor should check on him. but he resisted the kani basami as he himself said. its a dick move to do at an open mat but there seemed some ego involved from both sides.

[@Cigarbawz]

Bro that’s *SHITTY* behaviour from all your classmates and everybody at open mat. If you were really screaming and rolling around *and* still nobody came.. find another club. That’s made my blood boil. Hope you have a speedy recovery man and get back to whatever is next 🙏

[@hellcla5]

Totally agree with this, not normal behaviour to ignore something like that

[@Sam-rb1id]

Not to mention the opponent. I've noticed before BJJ guys dont really know how to do take downs safely (I do Judo and we really do) but even so it seems unlikely he has no clue he could tear the knee with that stuff. Def would never go anywhere near that club again

[@seitenname3531]

I used to go climbing with friends. After a year i fell from the wall and ripped my tendon on my left foot, i heard a loud snap. I resnapped it after recovering for 4 months also while climbing. One of the 2 guys i was there with laughed while i laid on my back in pain, clenching my fists and punching the mat to get over the pain. I really distanced myself from him after that. I cant imagine people ignoring you after you audibly break your leg..

[@jaap_vanekris]

For this exact reason this takedown was forbidden in Judo as well, as this happened in competitions as well. As for the "aftercare": it is a lousy experience, even for an open mat. Martial arts are dangerous and serious injuries can happen. But when they do, people should be helpfull, especially people working there. It is inexcusable that an injured person isn't helped off the mat, taken care of and helped with getting to a hospital.

[@yeout4386]

​@@jaap_vanekristhis is the issue with open mat and combat sports there is to much ego and not enough controll or respect

[@ArtemisIsHere4U]

God I hate people sparring too hard. You spar with 10 people but the one guy using too much force can ruin the whole mood

[@pinksupremacy6076]

It's not about going hard. It's about being reckless. I had guy, who's a wrestler, rip my shoulder in a kimura last day. He didn't know any better but still sucks. Point is, you can go hard af but still be very responsible.

[@DenterNu]

Or life

[@doncortesas]

That was my experience too, an asshole who just wanted to break some bone, and I was the lucky person. I had 6 months without training with my ribs broken, and I am not going to Kumite again.

[@jasontroy3911]

​@pinksupremacy6076 i had the same thing happen to me with a wrestler. My shoulder is no longer the same and I don't train anymore

[@avrivah1101]

It's always the instructor's fault. I've been to too many classes where instructors fall back or disappear during open rolls. BJJ teachers should vet new students, restrict dangerous submissions, and police rollings sessions. Few I've met do any of these things.

[@rudimerm7686]

Sad to see you in a gym like this. 17-18 years ago, I used to train at Reno Gracie in NYC Herald Square area. I tore my MCL and the instructor, Igor Gracie, came to my attention right away. An assistant instructor (purple belt by the name of Gino) gave me muscle relaxers. Later in the evening, Igor personally called me to see if I was okay. Those were good people.

[@allaboutmusic139]

That’s a mentor right there man. Mad respect.

[@234i9]

​@allaboutmusic139 mad respect for doing the absolute bare minimum?

[@allaboutmusic139]

@@234i9 considering how rare it can be yeah

[@-whackd]

Join combat sports so that you never get hurt in a street fight. Result: Never have a street fight and get injured repeatedly in training.

[@fraziocolucciio9213]

95% of BJJ gyms. Dude even got paralyzed from neck down by the teacher showing off on a newbie

[@jorgerapalo2673]

@@fraziocolucciio9213 That may be the most extreme thing of this kind I have heard about. Details?

[@jorgerapalo2673]

Yeah, in hindsight It would have been easier on me to have been repeatedly beaten that to endure all the injuries I have taken during 4 decades of training.

[@NARDHQ]

so true lol, really feels like a waste of time sometimes

[@fraziocolucciio9213]

@@jorgerapalo2673 happened in SOCAL a few years ago, the teacher rolled on the beginner going way too hard on him and fractured 3 vertebrae in homies neck, and paralyzed from neck down. Dude sued the school and the teacher personally and won multi millions.

[@mamikgibar]

No one checking on a screaming student-who was on the receiving end of a forbidden technique-is a huge red flag. Awful. So sorry you had to deal with this.

[@deadlypalms]

Sounds like COBRA KAI doesn't it? Horrendous.

[@youngmf6052]

Sounds like a toxic gym environment, like causing concussions to new student. This shit shouldn’t be allowed to continue without severe consequences.

[@dustinlerch9272]

Red flag? It’s the whole boat. What else would you be looking for in a poor place??

[@nzdefrag]

@@deadlypalms yes it does, I was picturing the 'screaming' being the fly that was squished in half by the Miyagi chopstick.

[@patrickfitzgerald927]

You should call the name out of this place so people can avoid it. What a horrendous response to an injured fellow grappler. We all lend our bodies to others so that we can get mutually better. It's this mutual respect that makes the sport work. I've been following your journey and huge respect to your humility and approach to sport. Good luck with your recovery.

[@rodrigozombie]

The fact that nobody stopped tells me that's a dangerous gym, buddy. I'm really sorry this happened to you. This guy that hurt you is a horrible person, too. 😢

[@Josh-tf9cr]

its europe, some of the most godless people on earth

I’m surprised women go to it. With it that bad you’d think that’s be in dangerous of getting really hurt by some dude.

[@Sketch_Sesh]

I was rolling with a woman a belt higher than me. I was going super easy and light.. she quickly tried to pull her arm away and her shoulder popped out.. that’s how easy they can get hurt.. over things we think nothing about

[@FrenkieWest32]

@@Sketch_Sesh You make it sound like they're made of paper; Shoulders popping out easily happens to men too.

[@jsbcody]

The fact that your friend was injured too in the same session and NO ONE helped you but your injured friend says a lot about that school. Unfortunately, this is quite common at BJJ schools. The couple schools I tried, both had more advanced students coming to the basic/beginning classes so they can get an ego boost from dominating beginners. I was done and gone. Doing Aikido and taking a bi-weekly private lessons in Japanese Jui Jutsu.

[@smiechu47]

It's that bro mindset.

[@NiteF0X]

You should try Judo, it’s like Aikido but a bit more practical.

[@tristanjones7682]

@@NiteF0XDoesn’t Japanese jujutsu have some of the same moves judo does?

[@definitelynotclickbait8283]

are judo schools or karate schools better?

[@jsbcody]

@@definitelynotclickbait8283 It really depends on the school, the instructor and what they allow to happen. Are you training to fight or training to get hurt.

[@theseeker7692]

Holy shit, that dude should be sued. Scissor takedowns are forbidden for a reason, doing it against an (unknowing) opponent in sparring is a scummy thing to do

[@BD90..]

If Rokus signed a waiver before training, that might affect his case

[@binnieb173]

agreed. I do think he should be liable, and that gym should be as well if they don't remove him.

[@kirito3082]

@@BD90.. I don't think you need to sign anything to enter an open mat though, there should be a sign somewhere saying the gym doesn't take responsibility for injuries but I don't know if that exempts the guy, given that it's a generally prohibited technique.

[@midguard7917]

I agree and I think a lawsuit is worth a shot, even if nothing comes of it. I know your medical bills have to be considerable, Rokas. Sorry this happened man, and remember you're also getting older 😆 along with the rest of us lol.

[@theKashConnoisseur]

@@midguard7917 Europeans don't have the same insane medical bills as Americans, I'm sure he'll be fine financially.

[@danielmccullough3833]

Rokas, as a sports medicine professional and bioengineer, I want to share some hope and encouragement. While your injury might seem daunting, remember that the severity is often emphasized to ensure proper care, not to predict lifelong consequences. With dedicated physical therapy and a focus on recovery, you'll adapt and eventually barely notice it most days. I've faced life-changing injuries to both legs and developed post-traumatic OA before 20, yet I still pursue my passions for martial arts and maintain athletic ability, albeit with some added pain and longer warm-ups. Managing stress, diet, sleep, and exercise can significantly reduce pain, and committed rehabilitation lowers the risk of re-injury or lifelong impairment. There's also exciting progress in biomechanical implants for athletes, like the MISHA knee system, which has shown great promise in reducing osteoarthritis effects and chronic pain. Advances like these give hope that lifelong impairments will soon be a thing of the past. Stay focused on your recovery and the activities you love. From one martial artist to another, you've got this!

[@prodigal_]

The best comment!

[@Jordanthecool7]

@@prodigal_I agree. It’s an amazing comment

[@-whackd]

Did you receive your injuries from martial arts?

[@danielmccullough3833]

​@-whackd, among other things, yes. Most of my ligament injuries have been a result of martial arts.

[@skyereave9454]

Not to poke you too much but could I have some advice?

[@Handles_AreStupid]

You know you have a problem when you're waking up in the middle of a surgery to say "like and subscribe"...

[@MartialArtsJourney]

😂😂 Yup...

[@WolfKingAka]

@@MartialArtsJourney But did they? :p

[@MartialArtsJourney]

​@@WolfKingAka Yup... The surgeon told me he liked the channel the next day

[@WolfKingAka]

@@MartialArtsJourney whaaaaaat!? That’s awesome, lol. Also if you have concerns with martial arts stuff, feel free to hit me up. I’ve been a burning out martial arts teacher for about 11 years now and always love to talk about the arts.

[@BucketHeadTK]

Do you practice BJJ only or do you also do wrestling or striking? ​@@WolfKingAka

[@tookurjaerbs]

37-year-old blue belt here. I partially tore the ACL and meniscus in my left knee while rolling back in 2019. It was a freak accident and, honestly, more my fault than that of my training partner IMO. He had my leg in lockdown and for some stupid reason, I contorted my body to try and get out of it. I immediately heard a loud POP and had to stop the roll. I sat down at the side of the mats and one of the black belts in class came to check on me. I was telling him, "I think I'm fine, it's probably nothing", but when I stood up it felt like my left leg was Jell-O and I had next to no stability. I ended up going through a looong rehabilitation process because the pandemic kicked off not too long after this incident, and it wasn't easy to see a specialist during that time. Extremely long wait times. I followed my orthopedic doctor's advice and opted for arthroscopic surgery to "clean things up" inside my knee as opposed to getting full ACL replacement surgery. My doctor told me I have about 10-20% of the ACL still attached. Luckily, I have been able to rehab and strengthen the leg to the point where it doesn't give me any problems, I even went back to training BJJ after taking a few years off. However, my knee feels like it will never be the same and I have to be mindful not to move in certain ways that could tear the remaining ligament. My passion and interest in BJJ has waned in the intervening years and I haven't been signed up at a dojo for the past 4 months, though I have gone to a handful of open mat sessions. I love martial arts and I don't think I will give up on training altogether, but I definitely have mixed feelings towards BJJ at this point. BJJ has allowed me to meet some amazing people (and some weirdos lol), forge friendships, increase my confidence, and feel part of a special community. On the other hand, I often question if I have a future in the sport. I have trained on and off for 10 years-ish and not once in that time have I had to use BJJ to defend myself from being attacked in a street fight or protect a loved one, or any crazy shit like that. Yes, training and rolling with your buddies is fun, but do most of us need to train martial arts for self-defense unless you're a cop, first-responder, military, etc.? I think some dojos are giving their students a false sense of "self-defense skills". Imagine butt-scooting against someone attacking you with punches and kicks. Overall, I think that my BJJ experience has been positive and well worth it, up to this point. If I somehow shredded the ACL in my other knee, would I still be saying the same thing? I don't know... Would love to hear other people's stories. Thanks

[@FirstnameLastname-le9hq]

Honestly, the best "Self defense" skill from practicing martial arts is having a good temperament and clear decision making while stressed. The best way to win a fight is to shut down the idea of a fight in the first place.

[@shawnlourens1479]

Remember brother, Its better to be an warrior in a garden, then a gardener in a war. Keep going❤

[@a_mouthful]

Please bro, im 16 and injured my acl and meniscus as well from boxing, I really need help on getting information for the rehabilitation process as like you said, im scared to move in certain ways feeling id tear or dislocate something again, Youre the only person ive seen with a similar case to me and I need your help. 🙏

[@Mikegoodstash]

The fact that no one stopped, or the instructors didnt even come and check, is DISGUSTING to me. Our gym, and the half a dozen others we’re affiliated with around here, does an open mat every week with 6-8 schools attending, usually 30-40 active people on a good night. On the few occasions where someone has been injured to the extent where they yell or cry out, everyone, and I mean everyone, stopped and was respectful. And from the other gyms I’ve traveled to and seen similar experiences they had a similar culture. To me, that speaks to the culture of that gym, and id personally not want to be affiliated with it. im sorry you got injured man, that’s everyone’s greatest fear who practices jiujitsu, I hope the recovery goes smooth!

[@BernasLL]

Of course! This is beyond bad, it's borderline criminal negligence. And even from a sociopathic self interest POV, if someone gets hurt they should go see what happened to ensure it won't happen to them.

[@meckerossi]

​@@BernasLL That is true. But if you want to avoid something, you first have to recognise that it could happen to you. However, repression is widespread...

[@blekmetal8140]

The problem is not with this specific gym. I was going bjj for a year every single day except sundays till my injury and I visited three different gyms on my city.... I experienced many injury events and every time I was the only one who interrupted my roll to go to help the guy who was near me and in pain. After one year i had an inguinal hernia where after surgery I accepted the fact that I want to live the rest of my life without pain and focus on my actuall work rathen than trying to make the tough guy. Don't misunderstand me I love BJJ. But nobody cares If you get injured by them. On the other hand I know guys who feel proud that they hit a heel hook to lower belts and destroyed their legs. For me if you want to feel safe and matronal, start mma which believe me it's much more safe. And in case anyone tries to injury you thinking he is on real tournament rather than training room, destroy his face, get up, leave the specific gym and go to another one.

[@gxtmfa]

I’ve seen injuries at my old gym before and it was always an “everyone stops” moment. I can’t believe there are gyms where this isn’t the norm

[@SeanLives]

sounds like a 'tough guy' gym

[@jamessur1983]

Sue. Too many idiots in BJJ at the minute that are ruining the sport. A few lawsuits would start to change things.

[@EBMproductions1]

I agree

[@EBMproductions1]

@@sephirothfemto Medical Damages and more..all rights reserved should be explained and if not then the business is liable.

[@pauljohnson6019]

Yes, but it could be tricky, you have to prove that excessive force was used, it's the Instructor who technically should be sued- not the student, as he was just following what he was told.

[@EBMproductions1]

@@pauljohnson6019 If any gym cams was up and CCTV shows excessive force was used as well as the gym owners ignoring his pain on camera then their all liable but i believe the gym would not release this to Rokas due to how it might impact the image of the gym.

[@pauljohnson6019]

@@EBMproductions1 The police can ask for it though, if he reports it to the station as assault.

[@luchador1764]

The commitment to the channel to wake up mid surgery and plug it to nurses is commendable.

[@rickymcdaniel7971]

I'm an old, and I really mean old Kyokushinkai. I haven't been to a dojo in a few decades, though I still practice on my own a bit. for the past 25 years my passion has been whitewater kayaking. There are some danger and risks involved. You want to make sure that the people that you are boating with have had swiftwater rescue training and more importantly, will actually act when needed. I've been on class IV rivers on a few occasions when someone was in trouble and far too many people were just sitting there watching. My core group of paddle buddies includes people who know what to do and will act when needed. Choosing a crew to paddle with may be a bit easier than knowing how a random person who shows up at a dojo will act during an emergency. My point is, it seems that only a small percentage of people are going to help. Wishing you a speedy recovery Rokas, I have very much enjoyed watching your Martial Arts Journey!

[@jindan3816]

Hi, rehab specialist in pro football and livelong martial artis here, sorry to hear about the injury. Couple things to keep in mind, metalwork can be removed again, it's a careful consideration of the pro's and con's but it's possible, so please don't fully buy into the "for the rest of your life" idea too early. In general, don't wait too long with putting pressure on the leg, don't wait too long with introducing flexion/extension. How long is right can't be judged from distance, you'll need experienced physios to help you there, but in general there has been a shift towards reintroducing joint function earlier than later. What I mean with "too long" is, some patients want to do the process "extra correct" and instead of introducing weight loading after 2 weeks (if that's appropriate for their situation) they think it's better to wait another X days on top or so, same with flex/ex, in order to be extra careful, while in fact this often makes the rehab process worse instead of better. However, in some cases one needs more time, so don't think in these generic time frames that the docs have to prescribe according to the legal framework in medicine. Remember the docs don't do the day to day rehab, so find an experienced physio to organically guide you is absolute key. Also, keep your vitamin d levels at the top end of the range. And lastly, don't preset your mind to the idea that this injury will be affecting you negatively for the rest of your life. The truth is we don't know, it might, it might not - but i've seen too many bad injuries that were successfully overcome also in long term follow ups, especially when patients had a positive attitude, so the most important tip really is to stay positive, calm and open, the incredible capacities of the human body might just surprise you once more. All the best.

[@ryanwilloughby472]

Magnesium, vit k2, and calcium(from diet tho) are also key

[@seeyan9944]

Thanks for your time to be sharing this bro, my father got in an injury similar to this and I wished I have heard about this earlier. But yet again as you said, who knows if is a life long injury, so I'll see if there something that could still be done about it. Again thanks for your input man

[@deshovel5243]

Ye I realized that the "for the rest of your life" thing is almost never the case. At least when it comes to the knees. Don't know about the spine. Kneesovertoesguy is the biggest example of getting told that his knees will never be the same after many surgeries but now has the best knees he ever had in his life through proper rehab.

[@jindan3816]

@@seeyan9944 you're welcome. Sorry to hear about your dad's injury. Every day that passes by with the mindset that nothing can be changed is a day lost for actually working towards an improvement. Even slight improvements can go a long way for the way one feels, if small things like getting up from a chair or getting out of the car become less painful, it's already a win. Best wishes.

[@jindan3816]

@@deshovel5243 absolutely agree

[@jaysmith6013]

Honestly this kind of thing keeps me away from BJJ. As a middle age father/husband, I don’t want to risk crossing paths with some overly competitive psychopath and ending up with some lifelong injury that prevents me from taking care of my responsibilities to my dependents. I’m sure most gyms are not like this and there is probably a great sense of community, etc… but I can just as easily stay in shape by exercising in a gym or riding a bicycle. Sure there are risks with any activity, but at least I can mitigate them by not doing something stupid, I’m in control and not in the hands of some asshole who may be having a bad day looking to take it out on a stranger

[@crizzie_g]

bjj has a poor risk reward ratio

[@mrdavisdance]

I've done BJJ for over a decade now and I've learned that the best way to avoid injuries is to not roll super intensely. Most people learn this the hard way, I know I did. If someone wants to roll super hard, I just play defensive and relaxed until they calm down. Sometimes I'll even just say "chill out a little, this is how injuries happen". I've gotten some cuts and bruises but no serious injuries (outside of popping my rib, which was when I discovered that going 100 percent isn't worth it

[@javiercarbonell622]

Your fitter at a the gym

[@Zetunez]

It's honestly pathetic, some of these guys training hard for 4 days+ a week like they're getting ready for the olympics, except they're in their 30s/40s and have a day job. It's just a hobby.

[@mrdavisdance]

@@Zetunez How is that pathetic? If you're training hard four days a week with a day job in your 40s it's impressive. Doesn't matter what the sport is

[@dadashlorgar]

I stopped sparring with strangers on open mats. broken jaw with life long compications like vertigo and displacements, broken rips, broken knee cap and broken shin. never sparr with strangers.

[@scottyboy6269]

This sounds like you got jumped walking down the street

[@onimekyo7633]

really? it can't be from just 1 open mat session

[@BrMg01]

dammm dude, who did you spar with? some gangsters?

[@bloontewn3291]

Or do because it's never the same, I spar/roll with strangers all the time, but you gotta do it with the mind set of points and clean subs/escapes. Kinda like a slow match but obv not as intense. Some folks just don't care and try to break you tho, they suck and it's always better to not roll with them.

[@IronBodyMartialArts]

That's good advice

[@JB-id3qd]

25th february I had judo class, and very similar situation to yours. My knee exploded. All ligaments broke, cartilage, meniscus, shin and thight bone partialy broken. Im very tolerant to pain, but, had two srugeries first one was 4 and a half hour long, next one was around two hours. I was also waking up several times during surgery. Surgeons told me they never ever seen something like that, they broke 4 arthroscopyic drills in my knee, and the pain was immense when I was waking up. Now I can barely walk on flat surface... I wish you all the best!

[@timexcape7961]

Jesus, makes boxing looks safe.

[@JB-id3qd]

@@timexcape7961 yes, i did boxing and kickboxing over 8 years, and never had serious injury...

[@MrCmon113]

So your knee was unusual and that broke the drills?

[@JB-id3qd]

@@MrCmon113 it seems im the one with very heavy and very strong bones. And still Im waiting for third knee surgery, doesent help 😂

[@CALAdminWaffle]

This isn’t the first story of some random dude doing a kani basami/scissor takedown resulting in catastrophic injury. Shit is dangerous.

[@JuanHiribarren]

I'm not a grappler, but fighting with strangers is kind of an art on its own. You should always focus on not getting hurt. ROKAS, the story you have told us is not a nice one. I hope you have the best recovery possible, and that in the future this becomes just an anecdote with no permanent repercussions. BEST OF LUCK.

[@deadlypalms]

Sounds like a good test for identifying a psychopath - just watch out for anyone actually willing to try out such an awful technique. What an absolute cretin.

[@boliusabol822]

But how is it avoided / done safely? If it was so hazardous then wouldn't we see it more in MMA?

[@АртоВэнтьфорт]

I believe the strikes in MMA changes the distance and make it harder to achieve that's why it's so rare although it has been seen

[@micaylapresley]

@@boliusabol822Just go with it. All it does is sit you on your butt if you don't resist. People resisting by putting their hips forward really screw themselves

[@Drikkerbadevand]

I'm a judoka and honestly the worst people are the STRANGERS who are so intense and go really hard when you're just doing randori (sparring)... And will do anything to throw you even put you in danger.. Even in competition most people won't do moves they know they can't control (which are more dangerous to the opponent) but some have absolutely no qualm doing it. When I saw the thumbnail and you mentioned "forbidden move" I instantly thought of kani basami (scissor takedown) which is also BANNED in judo (for good reason) BJJ practicioners doing takedowns are so dangerous because alot of guys aren't very practiced at is like wrestlers/judoka so they end up doing stuff and techniques they don't understand

[@Pyre]

This one was interesting. I do stage combat with steel weapons (so, 'pro wrestling lite'), so the closest look I usually get into proper combat sports is stealing versions of the moves. But that point you made. "won't do moves they know they can't control." In stage combat, that's *foundational* . The weapons are blunt but they're still actual metal, and human beings are hilariously fragile. We've had to change or remove some thrusts from the big fight we're doing this year because I got hit by them near-directly three times so far. The casualties have only been two shirts and some skin, but that's just a simple lunge forward, with everyone knowing where the attack is aimed and where it's supposed to end up. The prospect of using a move neither person can control in an environment where you're actually trying to *beat* the other person, without severely injuring them, is horrifying. It's a level of disregard for another person's safety that screams red flags about the person who'd be willing to do it.

[@HerculesLoyd]

I’m a bjj blue belt with ok standup. This week I accidentally injured a training partner going for a takedown. He entered on a single leg, and I countered by locking up a kimura and went for a sumi gaeshi. I failed to entirely square up with him when I dropped back and as a result rolled him off to the side instead of straight over me. When we landed my body weight fell on his shoulder as his arm was still wrapped under my leg. Luckily not a serious injury, but he felt a pop and had some pain after. I weigh over 200lbs so I try to use finesse and be very careful as to not injure people, but takedowns are always a bit risky. I could have executed the technique a bit cleaner and it probably would have been a bit safer, but I didn’t really do anything egregiously wrong, stuff just happens.

[@Drikkerbadevand]

@@HerculesLoyd That sucks.. basically the one thing that could realistically happen in a kimura sumi gaeshi that could injure someone, and it happened. Also I'm perfectly aware that genuine accidents do happen, where there is control but you lose balance/whatever and someone gets injured

[@HerculesLoyd]

@@Drikkerbadevand yeah it is what it is. I’ve been injured by training partners who didn’t really do anything wrong also. Combat sports are serious business regardless, at this point in my life I won’t train anywhere that tolerates reckless disregard for safety.

[@TheOutlando]

@@HerculesLoyd The exact thing happened to me. i found that an important thing to a sumi gaeshi is that you totally commit.

[@NapoleonBlownapartMMA]

As soon as this video started, i thought "i bet it was a scissor sweep". Sorry to hear that, and that's awful behavior from that gym. Hope you recover quickly 💪

[@sugoi9680]

Damn how did you know? Nice vids btw lol

[@MartialArtsJourney]

Thanks! 🙏 Will do my best

[@AJ-wc1rt]

@@sugoi9680 If you train BJJ you would just assume it was a scissor sweep, because of the high percentage serious injuries, I've never attempted it or known anyone to attempt it because it's a dick thing to do

[@420champion4]

​@@AJ-wc1rt yep. Even a heel hook shouldn't ruin the rest of your life. I assumed before I clicked the video.

[@mrgibson69]

For me it was either scissor sweep or jumping guard that fall on a knee

[@fractalpond1]

So sorry to hear about your injury. After having so much fun in BJJ for about ~5 years, I came to the point where I "had" to stop. After a shoulder, bicep, and two knee surgeries.... I had to ask myself what would it take for me to stop... losing a limb?!?! I loved the sport so much but you really are putting your life into the hands of another person and the gyms I went to didn't really help that person respect that as much as they should have... There's still a whole world out there for you to enjoy like you did Martial Arts. Hope you get well soon!

[@4xdblack]

Wow your gym really showed their true colors fast! I'm surprised there weren't warning signs sooner. I'll pray for your fast recovery man.

[@retroghidora6767]

People should STOP just doing dangerous stuff but if they going to insist the least they can do is ask their training partners if THEY are okay with those moves being used. Also, if the b-team can literary put up signs with rules of gyms anyone can. Especially when so many people break them.

[@cheeks7050]

Every gym should inform their members not to do these moves except for competitors in competitor training.

[@bobanmilisavljevic7857]

If you stop doing dangerous moves, then it just becomes hugging each other 🤔

[@samuel.andermatt]

​@@bobanmilisavljevic7857 there are different levels of danger. Doing such a move in an environment they are not allowed is just a coward, since you are safe from the move being done to you.

[@antebauer]

keep in mind the B-team is one of the best gyms in the world. Cannot expect every other joe dick and harry to be at the same level

[@bobanmilisavljevic7857]

@@samuel.andermatt so you are saying you like going to hugging practice?

[@robertrossi9364]

Over a year and a half ago i suffered the worst injury of my life. Was going 20-30 percent with a purple belt allowing him to work. We got done with the round and he asked me for another immediately after and i obliged. 30 secs into the roll he had a single under and jumped through with a knee slice with my hips in the air and one leg trapped. I couldnt rotate and he tore my groin. The groin tear was so bad that it shattered my core. For the first time in my life, i was 42 at the time, i required surgery. The groin healed within 2 months but i was unable to walk for several months and i was severely limited as my core was completely destroyed. It took me a yr and a half to get back to where i was. I went into a deep depression not knowing if i would ever train again. Really hard times. My heart goes out to you. I hope you make the decision to get back on the mats and continue training. Much love and peace in your journey.

[@MartialArtsJourney]

really sorry to hear this happened to you. Glad to hear you got back into shape

[@bartniem9]

wtf, how to avoid this

[@robertrossi9364]

@@bartniem9 my attitude is that i roll with everyone. i'm pretty athletic and look aggressive but i dont roll like that. when i was a white and blue belt some of the higher brown and black belts that i didnt know wouldnt go out of there way to roll and were pretty selective. i always thought it was fucked up and then after i got hurt i started to realize that the trust aspect is crucial. pick and choose who you go with. dont go with aggressive people who are much heavier than you. if you are just flow rolling make it known and if you feel that someone isn't respecting that then just stop and tell them or just plain stop the roll. you're going to come across new people all the time and it would be silly to just pick and choose who but at some point you have to think about yourself. its not easy to navigate. after i got back from my injury it took a while to gain confidence not only in my ability but with the other practitioner as well. of the 10 yrs that i have trained i never heard anyone sustain the same injury that i had. that made it even more difficult to bear. just be smart and tap if you think its too much.

[@joebotz1243]

​@@bartniem9be careful who you roll with and set ground rules against certain locks

[@widehotep9257]

The enigma of Jiu Jitsu: We learn jiu jitsu to protect ourselves in the rare event that we encounter stupid, violent and aggressive people. But in learning jiu jitsu, we expose ourselves to 100X more stupid, violent and aggressive people than we would otherwise meet in our entire lives.

[@justAmotoDude]

I had this same injury, but from motocross, 20 years ago. While it has been a nag here and there, I have still been able to keep up with my lifestyle. I still ride MX, snowboard, and BJJ. I have no desire to compete because my knee is not the only major injury I’ve sustained over the years, but I’m a firm believer that you gotta keep moving. Wishing you well in your recovery! Subscribed!

[@darrenstettner5381]

I tell every partner I roll with that I only roll super light and if they want a competitive roll they should choose a different partner. I was starting to feel like that routine was being a bit overboard with safety. Your story just affirmed my routine. I’m gonna continue emphasizing that I’m a wussy before each new partner I roll with.

[@MartialArtsJourney]

Yup, I definitely see the merit of doing that now

[@GodofDisco]

has your technique actually prevented injury? Don't want to get my kid started on a sport that is guaranteed injury in the long run.

[@darrenstettner5381]

@@GodofDisco No, it’s not a perfect fix. It’s pretty hard for a lot of people to go light. Brand new guys can be really tense and spastic but I also know experienced guys who just can’t tone things down. It’s pretty brutal on the ego to get tapped. It took me a long time before I could chill out and unfortunately it was a neck injury that finally calmed me down. Anyhow, I take other steps to avoid hard rolls. I look for partners that I see rolling soft and avoid guys that I see rolling really hard. Once I encounter a partner that rolls the way I like, I try to roll with them more. I try to avoid guys that are too competitive. All that said, I don’t think you should let fear of injury keep you from taking your kid to Juijitsu. Kids are way more bendy than we are and they aren’t strong or heavy enough to hurt each other that easily. I have seen quite a few kids classes and I’ve never seen any injury occur among kids. I’ve seen kids crying a lot but I don’t see any that are actually injured. Losing to someone in jiujitsu is a pretty rough thing to experience. Most guys won’t even try it cause they are scared of that feeling.

[@Jane_Friday]

I injured my knee in a comparable incident at age 14. Now I'm 44, living with knee pain since then. I wish you all the best.

[@Rust_Rust_Rust]

Has the knee pain been the same for the entire time?

[@hiddenpandas6954]

google kneesovertoes der heilt dich

[@Jane_Friday]

@@Rust_Rust_Rust I have the typical artritis symptoms. As of now I get hyaluronic injections every year and that is helping a lot. Still some pain most of the days, but I'm still very active.

[@gobistaff3551]

great of you to share that...I guess you're the one he sparred with

[@darksu6947]

​@@gobistaff3551Your comment makes no sense, genius.

[@Juel92]

This looks like it's gonna be a story about the scariest part of BJJ.

[@MartialArtsJourney]

Yup... Definitely not a pretty story

[@Juel92]

@@MartialArtsJourney Yeah definitely not. I guess I'm happy at least it wasn't someone who finished a heel hook in training. Good luck with the recovery. If there is anyone I can believe recovering relatively well from this, it is you.

[@MNahrath]

Can‘t give a thumbs up to the fact that you’re injured but big thumbs up to you and your healing! ❤

[@gurugurumawaru7869]

​​​Heel hook is also one of the illegal moves. These gyms doesn't taught this? I know at least 10, not three though.

[@ghiblinerd6196]

You should watch it. It’s interesting

[@guardian7keys]

i am so sorry this happened to you Rokas. i faced the same problem with combat sports when people go too hard the instructors do nothing.

[@JNAPR]

This is horrible bro, hopefully there is someone that can help with your physical therapy. Much prayers🙏🏻stay strong

[@MartialArtsJourney]

Thanks. I'm doing my best to build a strong team to help me recover

[@jambajuice7822]

Hope you get better soon brother. ​@@MartialArtsJourney

[@FightCommentary]

Thank you so much for sharing this. Please keep us posted!

[@MartialArtsJourney]

Thanks Jerry!

[@jhschuster]

Damn, so infuriating to hear this story. I'm also a blue belt, and I always avoid rolling with people who do things like this for this exact reason. In one way or another, it always gets someone injured. If people in your gym reacted like this, shame on them, and if you come back, do find another gym. I train in Brazil in a very competitive gym, if something like that happens almost everyone stops and comes to check what happened and help out, even if it is just talking to you in order to get you distracted from the pain. Sorry to hear this happened to you, hope you recover well

[@jaredberryman-hivelead]

Your story is a powerful reminder of the risks involved in martial arts. I appreciate you sharing your experience so openly. Hoping for the best for you moving forward!

[@rrbxny]

I understand the type of predator you were dealing with-they need to be closely monitored and kept on a very short leash. Unfortunately, many men my age (59) are suffering from injuries sustained during sparring. I, myself, have experienced a ruptured Achilles tendon and a dislocated shoulder during my martial arts journey. However, I have never been in an environment where a student's injury and pain were ignored-this is unacceptable. While we all understand that injuries can happen, there should always be courtesy and concern from those running the business. I wish you a swift recovery. Godspeed.

[@RandomOldPerson]

It’s illegal negligence, especially not having any equipment in case of injury. He needs to sue the gym and the sparring partner because none of this is protected under liability release forms.

[@redrumrabbit]

@@RandomOldPerson Take it easy Sal Goodman

[@redrumrabbit]

@@mysteretsym Had to look that up, I was like "is there a breaking bad character I missed "? 😂

[@RandomOldPerson]

@@redrumrabbit No, suing a person for causing life altering permanent injuries through recklessness, and a combat gym for not having basic first-aid or a policy for handling injuries, is appropriate and reasonable.

[@Jeffro5564]

Hahaha it’s open mat, things happen that life. You have every opportunity to tap and that’s fact. No point blaming people when you didn’t tap. Hard up and move on

[@TheShavedleggs]

Hello Rokas, even though I wasn't one of your fans and regularly made rather critical comments for a while, I am sincerely sorry about what happened to you. I hope that the accident was just a bad shock and that there will be no serious restrictions in the future and that aging will also happen without any obstacles. Get well soon and get fit again soon!

[@MartialArtsJourney]

Thanks man! I appreciate us finding common ground even with separating opinions 🙏

[@DeathDoesThings]

@@MartialArtsJourneydude u should sue the guy and/or the gym or at least name the gym so ppl can avoid it. Some guy pulling an illegal move and nobody doing anything, not even the instructors, resulting in life lasting risks is definitely illegal

[@Sinekyre14]

I was paralysed from my neck to the front of my scalp in boxing training, during a drill where we were supposed to only do body shots. This pro boxer gave me a surprise uppercut and hook and laughed. The person was never kicked out of the gym. I feel like martial arts gyms are places where borderline psychopaths have a way too easy time injuring others on purpose and getting away with it. Seriously.

[@monkoko6441]

Did you Sue the psycopath?

[@Sinekyre14]

@@monkoko6441 Nope. It took me a week to realize that I didnt recover, and they would just pretend to have forgotten it.

[@kullenberg]

I'm sorry to hear that. How is your injury today?

[@Sinekyre14]

@@kullenberg I have no feeling and a lot of muscle problems, dying tissue etc. around my scalp and forehead, but I can still operate just fine. Just chronic pains all day.

[@kullenberg]

@@Sinekyre14 that sucks but I'm glad to hear it's not completely debilitating. If you don't mind, what was the exact nature of the physical trauma? Something akin to a whiplash injury? I've mostly just hear discussion about CTE and blunt force trauma to the facial skeleton when speaking of injuries caused by striking.

[@kenokurose]

Well, I goota say... I did the opposite direction as you did, when I was young I was doing several judo competitions, winning losing, getting hurt... and years later I started Aikido. One of the reasons that I loved it, was how much practitioners care for each other. Many friends still train judo and bjj and they are always hurt, ALWAYS! Every one of them broke theirs ribs at least one time. My sensei in Aikido is a brazilian-japanese 81 years old and he does every single movement and exercise. That's how I wanna live, not getting hurt every time.

[@vibovitold]

Of course you've got less injuries in Aikido, but that's because Aikido practice doesn't generally involve live sparring against actually resisting training partners. It has little to do with whether people care for each other or not.

[@MrCmon113]

Yeah and when you use a flat rock instead of a smart phone, you won't encounter any bugs.

[@ynghuch]

Sue him. Also, name and shame the club so that others can avoid it.

[@brandonwordmusic]

Seriously, I definitely would want to know which one it is so I don’t go there…

[@crayonjambe7515]

I third this

[@GONSHOLVOL]

Yeah

[@JJ-zr6fu]

If it’s truly forbidden yeah the guy caused lifelong damage

[@Sage_6reen]

Please name the club at least

[@Cheeseitnow]

The fact no one stopped to help you is down right unacceptable. An open matt is one of the sessions that an instructor should be on the ball more than anything due to the free nature of it.

[@matthewcordeiro2073]

I have a five inch fixed blade in a quick draw kydex sheath on me just in case. Solves that problem.

[@shambalaninja3086]

Who do you think he was training with Jesus Buddha and Krishna?

[@Cheeseitnow]

@@shambalaninja3086 Nope, just a bunch of dumbasses

[@retroghidora6767]

Is this where the second aikido arc begins?

[@MartialArtsJourney]

Haha, we'll see

[@jhschuster]

haha could you imagine, from aikido to combat sports, to injury, and back to aikido

[@jb6368]

Nope,,unfortunately he's finished 😢 it's game changer. I had first knee replacement at 35 and tempted faith to my demise. Forced into retirement from job at 43 from knee. Its unforgiving of all joints. Maybe boxing might be option,,speedy recovery

[@BanjoleleGamer]

Sorry to hear about your injury but have faith, Human body can be very resilient and he can come back 👍

[@mnikhk]

Now we move to force multipliers aka swords and guns

[@1quiensabe]

Sorry to hear! Time to look up knee over toe guy. I had 3 meniscus surgeries due to BJJ but nothing like you experienced. Was completing paperwork for a total knee replacement when I decided to try knee over toe stuff first. Now pain free, do not need surgery and legs are stronger and more flexible than ever in my life. Will be a year or so before you know where you’ll be with pain, function, etc. Most gyms have someone in charge of open mats. They need to be followed up with on their protocol and the guy that did this banned from their gym. May happen again! Wishing you a good recovery! Prayers!

[@christopherburns6403]

The fact that no one came over to check on you is crazy. I’m so sorry this happened. It’s possible to come back from even really bad Injuries. You can do this man!

[@charlesdourado8292]

Holy shit, I'm so sad to hear that, we gotta be pick with our training partners, one mistake and it's all over, hope you get better Rokas take care my man

[@bazookaluke467]

I do Judo, and tore my ACL last year. The one thing I always appreciate is that all my coaches and teachers emphasize doing things smoothly and as safe as possible to prevent injury, especially after 3 or 4 of us had a string of major surgeries on our legs and knees. Trust me when i say you can "give up" martial arts, but you will have the itch to get back into them. Don't lose hope and remember that this is just a very low moment in your journey. Good luck and speedy recovery!

[@JHavaJoe2-m1z]

Thanks for your candid overview of the entire situation. It helps everyone to be cautious. Up there in Priority is safety, health, then self-defense knowledge. Self-defense knowledge neglecting safety and health, defeats the purpose. I am so hoping, you recover beyond your expectations.

[@MarcSolomonScheimann]

1:02 Competitive brown-belt judoka here. If there’s one tip I can share with my BJJ mat friends is: know when to take the throw. When in stand-up, if you’re in a compromised/bad position, and your opponent is going to throw you - don’t resist it, and instead take the throw, and land safely. It’s not worth it, unless you’re in the final at Nationals, or similar. There will be more opportunities to practice stand-up, but not if you end up injured. But someone throwing kani-basami is a dick move - why would he do that? 😮 It’s illegal in multiple martial arts for a good reason!

[@_GOD_HAND_]

I blew out my ACL and MCL 20 yrs ago on the mat. The rehab from surgery is long, but you can come back same as before if you want. Honestly the hurdles to recovery are like 90% mental and 10% physical. You've now learned the important lesson that it's OK to avoid stupid gym wars in training. Like GSP said: "I've seen so many fighters destroy their careers in the gym." When I came back after rehab, I became super aware of body positioning and posture doing takedowns. I learned to attack and defend with soft knees and to make sure my hips were always in the right place. This made me so much better and I became a legit takedown artist. Injury isn't fun but you will use it as a learning opportunity to get better. The whole point of martial arts is to develop a warrior spirit. Your recovery is part of that training.

[@user-sg8kq7ii3y]

I'm sorry to say that, once you get a serious knee injury, your knee will never be the same again. You may feel perfectly fine for many years - even for decades. However, the injury will come back to visit you, sooner or later. Once you tear your ACL, the chances of future osteoarthritis is greatly increased. These days, so many young people are suffering knee injuries at such a young age, many even before they get out of high school. In 10-20 years, you will see a whole bunch of young people - in their 20's, 30's and 40's, suffering from osteoarthritis. Another 10-15 years after that, many will be looking at knee replacements. I'm not purposely trying to be grim and negative. I'm just stating some hard facts that many sports medicine doctors would confirm as true.

[@ashlandwest1647]

I'm sorry to hear about your injury. That's terrible and I hope you have a swift recovery. You have been an inspiration to me and so many others since the start of your channel. That said, please make whatever choices are best for you and your own life considering continuing your training. You have given so much to the martial arts community and we appreciate every moment, but you don't owe us anything. Thank you so much for what you do and everything you have done. I wish you a speedy and successful recovery.

[@marceloefaria]

You'll get better. Invest in good physio and thinks will get good soon.

[@alanasriants390]

Something similar happened to me recently. Went with someone who was just going way to hard on someone who is 30lbs lighter, clearly gassed and only giving 50% at most. Tore my pec completely. No one helped and the coach didn’t even stand up and ask if I was ok. All I saw was a “he’s bitching look” to the guy who tore my pec I proceeded to pack my things and take myself to the ER. Literally no one helped or asked anything. Been training judo for a long time - never had this poor etiquete. United Arts - Jenkintown

[@kendojj]

sorry to hear that mate. I hope you are getting well soon and come back to BJJ. it is great but we must be very careful when training so choose partner and gym carefully,

[@JimmySaint43]

Hello Rokas, you probably dont remember me since I changed my username, but im the guy in the wheelchair you promised to spar when i get out of this chair. Anyways, im so sorry to hear about your injury, thats absolute a scumbag move from your partner. As you know, I live with a spinal cord injury, and it took me years to come to see the positive side of it. Stay positive Rokas, you'll be in my prayers 🙏😢😊

[@rouxcool1227]

Your channel is a big channel so it's important that you communicate about it.

[@muaywub4882]

Yeah, i dropped out of BJJ after i tore my ACL. And i really loved BJJ. The process of not being able to work out forever, after i worked so hard to get fit really hit me in the balls. I got super depressed. Now 5 years later, after surgery and a lot of gym, my knee is back. BUT, i just feel it isnt worth anymore. Trainig for a fight that never comes with sweaty dudes with such a high risk of injury. I will stick to the Gym and to climbing now, there is just no reason to do bjj anymore. My health and generell fitness are worth so much more. I hope you will get well soon!

[@huwhitecavebeast1972]

You are smart.

[@mywholesomechannel]

100% 👍

[@silver_surfer88]

Im with you, There needs to be rules, if people start poking the eyes and call it a BJJ move. Its not worth it.

[@seanhiatt6736]

There are other martial arts 🥋

[@skyereave9454]

Boxing training perhaps? You can get solid defense basics without heavy sparring. You're probably not gonna win a belt but surely it should give you some useful tools?

[@jeroldjacobs5563]

The number one cause of serious injury in BJJ is falling weight. Kani Basami is an intentional use of falling weight and it should never be used outside of an MMA fight. My academy’s head instructor has said that if anyone ever fires one at the gym, they’re going to be immediately kicked out and probably beaten up first.

[@saulm58]

I know many people here are encouraging you to recover to then continue practicing JJ. Be careful, my friend. An injury like yours, specially when we are not that young anymore, should be taken seriously. Especially in a martial art where bone and joint injuries are relatively frequent. Not being you a professional JJ fighter maybe it is not worthy the risk to suffer another injury like that one, but to make sure to continue living a long healthy (arthritis free) life. All my best wishes. Hope you recover soon and make the best decision for your health and future quality of life.

[@egdm1235]

Really terrible to hear about your knee. We have sadly similar arcs through martial arts. I'm a ex-Aikido sandan who transitioned to BJJ. I was forced to retire just before getting my black belt after eight surgeries due to meniscus and hip damage. I'm left with daily movement restrictions (can't squat, run, or jump) and a similar increase in arthritis risk. I still feel the pain of having to give up training, but I assure you that there's a full life available off the mats no matter how much of your life was devoted to martial arts up to now. Keep your head up and good luck with the rehab.

[@TheKeafun]

Tough to hear that sir. near lethal or debilitating sports really need to be regulated and hate to say, should be criminal for what some of the people recklessly do, these are weapons essentially like any weapon, and intentional use can cause serious harm. I did martial arts and kung fu, the knowledge is great to have but using it with intention has rewards and or consequences for its practitioner.

[@richardmetzler7909]

That sucks bad. I wish you a smooth recovery - a cousin of mine had a similar injury, it took him a year until he could walk reasonably well again. My BJJ gym has a policy regarding footlocks: if you injure someone, you stop training as long as it takes the other guy to recover from his injury. So if you end his career, you're out for good. Sounds like more gyms should adopt that rule.

[@clantonaw]

I was a guy that hurt someone. I came from a gym that encouraged hard rolling all the time. Full on. I didn't hurt my partner anywhere near as bad as you were hurt, but it still haunts me to this day and the deep, gut wrenching feeling of knowing I was the cause of someone else's intense pain will never go away. Thankfully this person is still training with me, but my gosh, what a horrifying feeling!! Lesson learned and I am super careful with my training partners. Protect each other! Were here for good time, but more importantly A LONG TIME!

[@Jean-FrancoisTruchon-i3o]

Great way of sharing your story as usual. I feel for you Rokas. You will make the best out of this shitty situation. Glad to be part of your journey. You are an amazing person.

[@go1988]

I am so, so sorry to hear this! At the same time, I am in awe with your mental fortitude and attitude in general. They way you handled everything is very impressive. You seem to have such a strong focus on making the life of others not more difficult, even if you are in a very difficult situation yourself. Whatever comes, I have strong confidence that you will find a way for yourself and be happy - be it training in martial arts, or coaching, or full on content creating, you will find your way. All the courage to you, you are an awesome person!

[@dradamov]

Rokas, my friend has busted his both knees falling into a sinkhole on a construction site. The medical specialists told him he will never train martial arts again (on top of his passion for skiing). He reached out to a guy who specialized in physiotherapy for knee injuries (and a judo black belt) and he told him it is workable, but he'll need to rebuild entire support of his knees with specific physiotherapy exercises. After around 12 months he was back on the mat. My friends trained with a japanese aikido instructor who lost like 60% of stuff in one of his knees and he still trains, albeit sometimes needs to bind his knee with sth so he wont dislocate his knee, otherwise dude is still fast. A friend of mine got serious sciatica problems, doctors (3 separate specialists!) said that 6lbs of weight is the limit for carrying, and that being used to pain is the only way. A physiotherapist I know brought that person to full function, no BS. Dont get discouraged, you are knowledgeable about martial arts, but you dont know half the crazy stuff some medical experts can pull off. Keep your resolve, trust the process and fight on! Wishing you all the best!

[@Jeremie83022]

Hardly ever comment but i felt this in my heart. torn acl and now 1,5 years after initial brake i am back on the mat. Love your outlook on life and hope a good recovery!

[@TheSnailKnight]

Torn my ACL at a HEMA- tournament. Fully torn off. Wrestling was allowed and my opponent shot for a tackle immediately after sword contact. I wasn't expecting it and my heavier opponent was rushing in, so we were tumbling over each other with my knee getting bent in the wrong direction. I am competing again but my advice for you, from what I learned out of my experience, is to take it slowly, but start with light physiotherapy as early as possible. I trained up for a full year before I started to compete again.

[@MartialArtsJourney]

Sorry to hear about your injury, but glad you came back.

[@eddard9442]

That's bullshit, its unfair for a larger person to wrestle a smaller person. At the very least there should be wieght classes!

[@eddard9442]

I will guess it was a longsword tourney?

[@Kernnichiwa]

At least you didn't take an arrow to the knee. As a matter of fact, I used to be an adventurer like you....till tragedy struck.

[@101289teutonicguy]

​@Kernnichiwa under rated response lol.

[@Imriss1]

Wish you best recovery! I am one year BJJ free... got injured during a takedown by an 'intense' guy. With heavy heart and feeling like a dissapointment I've slowly quit and now I run and lift weights. At first I've felt like a pussy and a failure, but now I don't regret it. Have a difficult job I cannot jeopardize and children I need to feed. Hope you will come back strong and find safer hobby for life.

[@vancesnyder2426]

Your the man.

[@nikhilamin1520]

I fractured my wrist 4 and a half months ago while sparring muay thai, I also had to have a metal plate and screws inserted. While I am recovering well and should be able to return to full training, I definitely had a lot of doubt early on and I don't think I will ever train with the same intensity again as I have other priorities. I fully sympathise with what you're going through and wanted to say things will get better in time, having a good physiotherapist made all the difference for me and taking inspiration from athletes who suffered horrific injuries and returned to action also helped me, for example Chris Weidman returning to fight 2 years after his leg break. All the best in your recovery Rokas

[@hunt4gs]

Rokas, your level of patience and positivity has always inspired me. You truly are a martial artist, and an amazing guy. I'm so sorry that this happened to you dude. May you have a speedy recovery and push yourself to new heights.

[@Staroy]

I broke my foot this winter (muay thai). The mental aspect is definitely the hardest but once I got over it I started to see it as a challenge to train my stoicism and I'm back doing MMA again. Get better soon!

[@saddreams3449]

wow great ! howe is your leg now?

[@Staroy]

@@saddreams3449 As strong or stronger than before, think I overcompensated a bit on the rehab. But it took some time to feel comfortable throwing 100% kicks on the sandbag

[@codrinpantea8327]

@@Staroy 4 years practicing muay thai and I've lucky enough to never break anything. Curios tough how did you break it? Can only imagine a block from the opponent or being handled the wrong way in a sweep.

[@nickhousman6222]

Good for you bro. Respect

[@Staroy]

@@codrinpantea8327 Kicked someones elbow full power (he was inexperienced holding pads so flinched last second), 5th metatarsal fracture

[@bankuei]

I know one of the biggest criticisms of traditional training is that it takes too long to get to more live sparring stuff but... if you're not looking to compete there's no reason to rush. I remember when I was doing judo years ago they spent probably 50% of the class on conditioning and fall work vs. 50% randori/throws. And don't get me wrong, we did a LOT of rolling, it's just that they wanted us beginners to focus on safer techniques before giving us more risky moves that require more control.

[@villiamm4535]

My condolences man, one of the biggest obstacles for someone’s passion in martial arts is losing one of your most important tools for the art . I wish you a speedy recovery and hopefully in time there’s something that could be done to allow you to continue pursuing your passion. My partial knee tear has completely changed my kicking abilities and ability to load my leg for martial arts positions , and then what really did me in was being slammed by a judoka on my hip. I submitted him, but it wasn’t worth the W because he damaged my hip for life basically . I don’t even have an official diagnosis but ever since he slammed me on my him, my right leg has never been the same . I slowly learned to adapt and it’s a journey to say the least . The most important thing is don’t give up on yourself and adapt.

[@MrJimodoom]

Life long kenpo enthusiast here, broke my shin in a motorcycle accident, had the same sitting around in hospital, the same multiple day delays to an op, the same tons of metal in my leg (still there 14 years later), the same post operative infection... I feel your pain brother! I've also had hip surgeries on top of that (at only 43) and still manage to lift weights 3x a week and do kenpo classes 2x a week, so it should with luck hopefully not end your martial arts career. Stay strong dude, love the content!

[@SkemeKOS]

They definitely need to educate the risks of using such dangerous techniques

[@kirito3082]

That assumes the guy didn't know about it though, which is a shaky premise

[@pablogonzalez1240]

ROKAS THANK YOU FOR THE VIDEO. Im pablo from Chile. I practice judo for 5 years. Few months ago a very toxic guy and kind of violent started to do randori with me, and the guy did like a sleeve pull to take mi hands off his judogi (move that recently the sensei of our dojo said " please take care of your fingers and don't do thad)..... well.. to make the long story short, the guy did that thing and fractured one of my fingers.. first i thought it was a ligament pull but due to the pain i went to Urgency room in a clinic and the phalange of one of my fingers of the left hand was absolutely shattered, they had to put like a needle in my bone to keep that tight.. still now i cant practice judo and im so sad and angry at the time... realliy... i dont know what to do but sadly in the dojos there is a lot of toxic behavior... im with you rokas

[@genin69]

I had an almost similar experience once. a freind of my instructor who is a known tough guy (been in over 300 street fights) wanted to spar with us a bit and we did some mat work. needless to say, he moved quickly got e into a choke which I caught so he couldnt get it on and what did he do? grabbed my pinky and snapped it right off. broke the meta carpals in my left hand. took like 9 months in recovery to get use of my hand back and I work with my hands so it was tough. turns out the guy was intoxicated that evening. sometimes accidents happen and other times assholes happen

[@pablogonzalez1240]

@@genin69 yeah.... we assume some degree of risk when we practice.. but how to recognize this guys at first hand? i guess sometimes is just bad luck but we have to spar with everyone y gues

[@adultdeleted]

@@genin69 "sometimes accidents happen and other times assholes happen" a lesson many of us should learn.

[@jorgerapalo2673]

@@pablogonzalez1240 I dont think we have to spar with everyone. One should certainly seek to engage with different people to better develop your abilities, and indeed, in diversity is strength, but there is a degree of supervision and judgement that should be exercised by the people in charge to keep off the mat people who may be a danger to others or themselves. I have seen it happen in both sides of the fence. I was for a while the one who was "appointed" to take the wind off the sails of people going too hard in open mats. I saw once a challenger who came in with serious self-delusion having to be taken away unconscious and seriously injured because he actually put himself in harm's way thru ignorance. The older I got, the more picky I became, once I realized I had nothing to prove to anyone, less of all myself.

[@deepbluebiology]

Hallo Rokas. First of all, my condolences for your accident, lately I really start to understand how your accident effected you, because i'm right now (mid of October) in a smular situation like you, even if i didn't blow my knee. I have trained martial arts fore the mainly part of my life and had started BJJ around a year ago, and started to improve gradually, even if it was very small steps at the time. Now around six week ago i had an accident where i slamed into the ground which lead to i fell extremely hard onto my shoulder and needed to be transported to the hospital, because we were not sure if a shattered bone might injured my carotid artery. I got lucky i "just" broke my collarbone into pieces, but i'm not able to train cause to the location of my injury. Which sucks, cause i love training. So now, due to the circumstance of my injury i have to wait around 3 month until i even can consider to train again, inordning to my doctor. Even if i got lucky that i only injured my shoulder and not some other more servier parts, which ledes me to the end of my story. Finally i wanted just thank you that you bout up an topic, which i never had considered, which are who were injurys and the consequences of them, which can be life altering due to their devastating effect. In our club scissor takedowns and jumping close guard are strictly prohibited durring sparring. Hope you been good.

[@BoldNNBrashh]

Wishing you a speedy recovery brother. I agree with the other comments about finding a new gym. The way everyone reacted is unacceptable. There should’ve been multiple people that came running to help. Not mention, this should never have happened in the first place. That takedown is banned so commonly for a reason.

[@PlutoBlack]

Brotha, I’ve been following your channel for sometime now and am sorry to hear about this experience (got frustrated for you while hearing this). Hope your recovery goes well, forreal. 🙌🏿

[@kaizen5023]

Not blaming Rokas but this is exactly why I don't do BJJ. All it takes is one guy who goes too hard to destroy you for life.

[@guusgeluk3693]

same. i already fucked my elbow up bc of bjj.

[@bujindork]

It's cool if you minus the takedowns. Been rolling for 3 years with my worse injury being a dislocated pinky finger. I hardly ever start standing and tap right when I know a submission is coming. You can feel it after awhile.

[@skyereave9454]

​@@bujindorkJust hit three year mark only to have my elbow dislocated and folded the wrong way.

[@PM-hh9ur]

That’s what I thought, then some idiot goes ham by stacking me and I hear pops. This was during class, not even real rolling. Be careful who you roll with.

[@awakenow7147]

​@@PM-hh9ur Sometimes its just an accident. Other times though, there are narcissists or people high in psychopathy that join these classes. It might be rare, but when someone like that joins, it disrupts the safety and harmony of the whole damn class. I've encountered a couple guys like this in the past.

[@KeppingBonsai16]

all the love for u rokas! pls don't give up, a lot of my parents had knee injuries and where told that they would never walk again and they made a long and hard recovery but now they can do everything as normal as they would do before

[@MoonScythe1]

Wow. I'm so sorry this happened to you. Kami basami is illegal for very good reasons. Injuries are part of the journey, but serious injuries that are easily avoidable shouldn't be. I am very picky about who I role with for this very reason. I'm in my 40s with a normal job. I can't afford such injuries at my age. I always role with people who has my safety in their best interest, and I return the favor. What really bothered me is that almost no one stopped to check up on you. As much as I love martial arts, the well-being of a fellow classmate/student/instructor is FAR more important to me. Stay in good spirits Rokas. I really wish you a speedy recovery.

[@deepaknarayan3713]

I feel bad that this happened to you. But I also admire your optimistic attitude towards all of this. You kept a smiling face even before going into surgery. Keep up this positive outlook and wishing everything works out well.

[@VTSifuSteve]

Hey Rokas, in 1977, when I was in my early twenties, I had a nasty fall skiing. It was my third time breaking a leg and turned out to be a bad spiral fracture from just below the knee all the way through the ankle. I ended up in a cast for five months (they were a lot more conservative about surgery back in those days) and have dealt with the consequences to this day. I pretty much gave up serious skiing, as well as grappling arts and sold my hang-glider. I did continue in Wing Chun and Escrima ...but compared to what I was into before, that's like you going back to Aikido. Now at 68, arthritis and other complications of that old injury are really holding me back. Just walking around the block hurts a lot. One of my regrets is that I was never able to try BJJ when I was still in my forties and, aside from my bad leg, was really strong. Oh well, nothing lasts forever, right?

[@oreocarlton3343]

3rd time braking a leg!!???

[@adrissan]

Hope you have a speedy recovery!

[@vlnow]

I had a pretty bad hip and hamstring injury. Couldnt move or walk for a while. Was told by docs that i likely would never be able to do my work again. But I was walking ( slowly) after 6 weeks and back working (part time ) again within 3 months, full time by 6 months. And 3 years later, although it hurts a bit sometimes, like at night especially, im still working ( physical job ) and have just started cycling 20 to 50km on the regular. I might never be 100% but i'm getting to 90%. Dont give up.

[@MartialArtsJourney]

Awesome to hear that! Congrats on owning your journey

[@vlnow]

Ps. Be careful with pain meds. They are very addictive. I rotated out to more natural pain killers as soon as i humanly could. Also addictive, but not as bad imo. Still had to work hard to kick those more 'natural' habits eventually.

[@sugoi9680]

@@vlnow Wdym natural pain killers?

[@theKashConnoisseur]

@@sugoi9680 kratom maybe.

[@troyhubbell3648]

Your journey is really inspirational to me as a martial artist who also started in aikido (though I didn’t get nearly as far as you did) and who does mma. I’m so sorry that this happened to you. I hope the healing goes as well as it can go and that your next chapter is an amazing one be it in martial arts or something else.

[@conan326]

Im recovering from a bad injuried in my knee... is frustrating for a martial artist but this is budo too. Be kind of yourself. Understand that your body try his best and treat the situation as a long battle which is beeing winning by you every day. Focus on the way. You can do this. ❤

[@elwalker9034]

Finding a quality gym is a blessing. Staying healthy long enough to enjoy BJJ is an additional plus. I decided to walk away after a couple knee sprains over two years. Walk away while I still could. I miss it, but to me not worth certain injuries. Heal up bro. Prayers.

[@SF_Native]

Honestly, this is why i stopped doing BJJ. I have trained Muay Thai for almost 15 years and I've only had a handful of injuries happen. I've done BJJ on and off for about 5 years, and my 2 worst knee injuries came from it. As much as I would love to go back and train (with the right people), it's inevitable I'll end up with some idiot white belt who 'wrestled in high school' out to prove something. I hate being injured, and even more, I hate not being able to train. Good luck and I hope you recover quickly!

[@rwdchannel2901]

I've noticed the annoying people who spam how great BJJ is on the internet are usually people who were wrestlers first. That's why it gets confusing when I hear someone who only does BJJ say BJJ is 'Humbling.'

[@samnaghavi9775]

You will Rise Above it. The journey DOES NOT end here.

[@lordsneed9418]

I'm really sorry to hear that man. It can so easily happen to anyone. Doing a scissor takedown resulting in injury at an open mat against one of your training partners is inexcusable. He should be expelled I'm really surprised to hear about no one doing anything at your club. At my club if that happened everyone would stop for a few seconds and at least 2 of the most senior club members would come and bring you ice or help you move to where you need to go or call you an ambulance. I'm sorry that martial arts ended for you like this. I pray that you leg heals quickly as much as it can and before long you're able to walk and even run. Please give yourself the best chance of recovery , follow the best advice, physiotherapy etc. You're a very talented and creative person so I hope you find something else to replace this part of your life that you like even better.

[@nirkoblenc6870]

Dear Rokas! I wish you full recovery and good health! I'm following your journey on this channel since your Aikido days. Surely the journey must continue! Be strong!

[@TimSchmoyer]

Oh man, so sorry to hear this! I’m two months post-op from a torn ACL due to BJJ right now. I know the rolling around in pain feeling. Thankfully, my gym was helpful, had ice, and two guys helped me off the mat. I’m walking again now and just graduated from crutches to a cane. Woot!

[@MartialArtsJourney]

Hey Tim! So cool to hear you are doing BJJ! Also good to hear that you're going to a proper school 😁 Sorry to hear about your injury though, but I'm glad you are recovering. I'll be right behind you 😁👌

[@K4113B4113]

Omg dude. I used to do this move in sparring and just on friends back in the day (but the version where my lower leg goes behind both of their legs). I had learned it from youtube and had no clue that it could cause injuries. I'm glad I never accidentally hurt anyone with it. They should really teach this more responsibly, if at all.

[@kirito3082]

Kani Basami is one of the most dangerous moves in the entire art, as a general rule, any move involving uncontrolled falling body weight is dangerous, falling body weight is how you accidentally apply enough force to break bones.

[@JCBPARISPARIS]

Woah... Do you have the link of the video that teach it without warning? The "creator" should be informed, it is not responsible.

[@mckendrick7672]

​@@kirito3082Even moreso, uncontrolled falling body weight, combined with another person's body weight, all going into a single joint.

[@Stephane-au-fil-de-la-vie1266]

Man Kami basami has been forbidden in Judo for more than 40 years now . I hope that you get well Hope for the best recovery for you . I think we all know what martial arts mean to you feel well soon.

[@Mr.Kwizzle]

Geez man.. hopefully you have a smooth recovery, and appreciate the call outs for injury preparedness. Theres a lot to say about that situation but mostly just rooting for your recovery!

[@Mint25pop]

Even being injured you end the video telling us you're not done with the Marital art journey, I hope you can recover well!

[@Burns748]

I'm sorry to hear that man, I'm a year and a half and recovery for a broken tibia and fibula. It feels like you're never gonna be healed. But you're going to get better slowly way too slowly.

[@davidh5429]

Always keep your head up for better days. I remember doc saying the tendons in my lower back where torn so badly torn it would probably never fully recover. Had to learn to walk again and after 5 years of agony and tons of mobility and flexibility training, the pain finally passed away. My faith in the Lord kept me motivated.

[@Unstrict]

​@@davidh5429 y'all give me hope. Im 110 days sober from alcohol and around feb 27 was an idiot rolling with my homie on hardwood floor. I smashed my knee while 'slamming' him (more of a sweep) and the next day i couldnt walk. I still dont even know if it was from that night bc of how much i was drinking at the time. Im pretty sure it was though because a nurse thought it to be patellar tendinitis which is probable because i believe it was the next day i couldnt walk so it was probably swelling. Pushed it a little too much before getting treatment now i have this dull uncomfort / pain but i dont really have a limp so ig its coming back. Just so mad i was so dumb to focus my life on something that was killing me and caused my inhibition to be so bad i literally slammed my own knee on a hardwood floor not to mention even rolling there in the first place- possibly causing me an injury that could permanently take me out of the one thing that keeps my mind occupied- wrestling. Still mad at myself but atleast im young in my 20s n got the time n speed to heal lol

[@scout3058]

See my comment, bro. Same injuries (motorcycle crash).

[@believingfriend2467]

No more takedowns and standing in BJJ. Just start from sitting/knees from now on. I'm 41 and do BJJ. I used to do Judo and wrestling so I know how devastating takedowns can be. So, at 41, I pretty much avoid all stand-up.

[@MartialArtsJourney]

What's funny is that I was so hyped recently about BJJ stand up. It makes sense to create safe rules for yourself though, when training is only a hobby

[@JEFFMAN90]

If you don't do any takedowns or any stand-up in BJJ you're just wasting your time. Go train in Karate or something

[@JEFFMAN90]

This comment is for the OP not MartialArtsJourney

[@believingfriend2467]

@@JEFFMAN90 That's true if your goal is self-defense but not if your goal is sport, fitness, and appreciation of the art. It depends on your goals.

[@yeout4386]

​@@MartialArtsJourneythe issue with bjj stand up is most schools seem to skip the boring part of learning throws and takedowns wich is drilling them over and over without resistance the saw a move once and immediately want to try it in sparring full force This is just my opinion tho

[@GDubyah]

I really appreciate you sharing your experience and wish you a speedy recovery. Ultimately, injury is a big reason I quit martial arts as well. Before the big UFC boom, it seemed like gyms were so much more chill. Then the boom happened, and I started seeing more and more people coming in going way too hard. I ended up breaking my wrist and the day I was able to start rolling again. Newish guy from the gym I had never rolled with before neck cranked me into oblivion. Decided at that moment to give up martial arts after a 8 year journey and transitioned into endurance sports.