JJ Redick says the Celtics have reached their ceiling with Jayson Tatum & Jaylen Brown | First Take

[@edanthree]

The headline is not what JJ said. He’s speaking about the players around Brown and Tatum. He said “the group potentially reached its ceiling” and he’d look at adjustments to the supporting players.

[@fuckslattyy]

well that wouldnt get clicks but the current title will which is why i clicked myself

[@mariogallego5513]

@@fuckslattyy yeah same here. I noticed ESPN does this alot on their channel.

[@johnlinks]

This is exactly what needs to happen. The Celtics have had these guys for 6 years and 3 different coaches. It's the same result. It's time to change the roster around JB and JT

[@alexlance4384]

But if he thinks this duo can win the chip that’s the whole goal, no ???

[@internetmoney4993]

Welcome to media controlled narratives

[@sidra_games4551]

Malcolm Brogdon has been a borderline All Star as a Point Guard and is a pretty traditional 18pt 7assist guy, I have felt all year he should be starting and running the offense more. Instead they used him like a 3 and D guy spacing the floor for Brown and Taum with the ball.

[@melvinhhcp3615]

I agree. Brogdon should be playing more on the ball. Tatum should be running off screens.

[@Darrencollinsjr]

EXACTLY. HIM AND SMART SHOULD SWAP

[@Gnofg]

no post no consistent half court offense.

[@SpeedFoe]

His game is weird and clumsy…!!! He can go 2 ➡️➡️➡️➡️💯🍀🍀🍀

[@JoshuaEdwards977]

Brogdan was injured

[@melvinhhcp3615]

The Celtics were done immediately when they got rid of Udoka. S/O to Boston for shooting themselves in the foot. Galinari was missing also.

[@guyprieto1593]

I agree udoka was huge for them

[@Psych0mantisx91]

Except they had a lot of the same issues with udoka? Blown leads, long stretches without scoring, was all there last year. Was there under Brad too. They were dogshit under udoka until the all star break and then came out like a juggernaut. Only one to blame for getting rid of Udoka is Udoka himself can’t blame it all on Mazulla who lost both his two assistant coaches, one at the start and one during the season.

[@NoVisionGuy]

@@guyprieto1593 they went to 3 other conf. finals when Udoka wasn't there

[@melvinhhcp3615]

@@Psych0mantisx91 Udoka > Brad + Joe. Ime actually took them to The Finals.

[@Gnofg]

no post no consistent half court offense.

[@respectbegetsrespect6019]

I agree with SAS on this. Those two together along with the other pieces are more than capable of winning a Championship. They just keep falling short in crucial moments that will take them over the top. They don't just choke, they throw up in crucial times.

[@xavierb9061]

No they not..5 times reach conference finals

[@melvinhhcp3615]

@@xavierb9061 Yes, they are. They will get over the hump one day.

[@xavierb9061]

@@melvinhhcp3615 no reason to believe.. tatum the worst dominant superstar no go to move. Always will be inconsistent

[@michaelknies3356]

Brown isn’t capable of being Robin, even though he couldn’t be Batman on a winner

[@Gnofg]

no post no consistent half court offense.

[@iaintevengonholdyou]

I think it’s crazy how one game can completely change people’s opinion. If they would’ve won and if they would’ve went to the finals they’d be a legendary duo

[@lestershipman3039]

It’s sports media they say anything nowadays

[@josephgreene4174]

That's because winning at this level is A proof that they are of championship caliber.

[@iforeverfly]

@@josephgreene4174 thank you! Just getting here means they are good, but if they can’t get over the hump, means they are only that good winning a chip means something losing in the rounds before the finals don’t make them legendary common sense.

[@stephenwong8053]

thats all it takes, one mistake is the difference between "great" and "legendary" if you think about it. Mj is legendary because he's 6/6 lebron is clowned on regardless of how many finals appearances... but bron is legendary im just saying for the analogy purpose.

[@andresmsuarez5718]

So true!

[@mrray7169]

When JT got hurt it was supposed to be JB moment. He blew it.

[@Elcappgguod064]

The refs was paid off

[@stephenwong8053]

he got validated that hes not that number 1 option yet.. hes gotta work on his bag

[@DATBOIYK]

Blow it? This is the first playoff series I seen that brown wasn't consistent by I've seen Tatum fade more than less be inconsistent

[@arcellmcgowan1517]

8 for 23 JB🧱🧱🧱 Skip called them the turnover twins 😂. They ain’t had a real point since Rondo😮

[@mrray7169]

@@DATBOIYK. Should JB have been offended when his name was brought up in trade talks for KD?

[@Gtahenny]

If a ceiling is “Finals” then that’s a pretty tall building.

[@piplonf8591]

Kyrie should've helped brown with his handles before he left

[@Darrencollinsjr]

Say it louder for those in the back.

[@omarthescriblomale8279]

@Arraez 4 MVP they expect every team to win a championship every year 😂

[@saycheese6773]

Imagine if the heat coach had the Celtics squad. They would at least win 2 chips. Coaching (defensive & offensive schema, knowing player strengths, etc) matters.

[@chefkelvincateringllc]

Str8 facts🔥🔥🔥

[@davighidetti8947]

Spo is probably untouchable though but that take is 100% true

[@james45478]

Not saying Mazzulla is the guy but Brown and Tatum need a consistent environment and culture. They have been through the Kyrie experience and 3 coaches. The new CBA is going to be difficult to team build with 2 max guys though.

[@kyriekyrie4752]

Try saying this like a man with your chest instead of adding “not” before a statement like Instagram model

[@james45478]

@@kyriekyrie4752 Try finding a mirror under that troll bridge of yours.

[@Binnieishere]

​@@kyriekyrie4752 Kyrie still sucks though. Lol

[@jbear36]

That's a great insight. I think Brown mentioned too that Miami has an "identity" that Boston doesn't have yet. A lot of analysts keep referencing Miami "culture" too. There's a longevity, an attitude, a POV, whatever you want to call that exists in one org but not the other. Boston needs consistency + long-term preparation, and a singular focus to rally around.

[@patscool234]

@@Binnieishere Koreans… lucky we don’t come back and bomb you again

[@Youngboss1024]

People don't realize how talented the Celtics are. They had everything and every ingredient needed to win a title. Wing scoring, athleticism, grit from guys like Grant Williams, perimeter shooting, willing defenders like Smart and White, really good depth with Brogdon (before he got hurt), length and size from guys like Robert Williams. I really don't know what more they need. Mazzulla was gift-wrapped a Ferrari.

[@DATBOIYK]

Facts it there so call stars who's failing them

[@justinalley3399]

celtics need a true PG marcus smart should be coming off the bench not starting

[@MrJones019]

@@DATBOIYK It's something like this yes. Tatum and even Brown can be called stars, but they lack something that the biggest stars have. Consistency. They can seem Top-3 in the league one game and average on the next and that makes the whole team inconsistence because guys do not know who to trust and that's the reason why they have chemistry issues too because even among them they both have arguments to say they are better. Tatum is a better basketball player but he may be even more inconsistent. In fact, in last year's finals Brown seemed more like the star of the team like Tatum. All teammates of Steph, Luka, KD, Bron... They know those guys are that dude and there is no mistake. Because on their worst game they look better than 80% of the league. On their worst game Tatum and Brown look like bench fillers given a ton of minutes by accident.

[@SpeakerOfWords]

Because hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard

[@willholmesjr.7356]

Nah bro they just ran into the chef on a warpath last year and Jimmy on his warpath this year too early to panic Tatum only 25 he’s clearly going to be a problem he’s not even in his prime browns a beast too

[@mrpogz]

They can win a championship together. But the problem is Jaylen hates the management and it shows in his game. No other option but to trade him.

[@seablue.7451]

JB personally told you that?

[@Nyualum21]

I mean can you blame him with how many times they have dangled him out in trade talks? He doesn't trust them and honestly i can see why.

[@raiou5010]

Is that the reason his handle sucks?

[@Eityhdz]

man but to be honest management can be at fault because both guys are pretty successful, but if you put them around totally different pieces they may actually win a ring. of course depends who but these guys compete really well theyll fit in any team you put them on together.

[@TroopBro]

This wasn’t even a topic a conversation when it was tied 3-3 lol

[@newagestudios408]

Tatum 25, Brown 26. In no way am I comparing these guys to Jordan and Pippen but they were 28 and 25 when they started winning championships, Lebron was 27, Steph was 27, KD was 28.. Boston just gotta keep building around them 2, go get them a true PG that can run the offense and get the ball out of their hands because they can’t get easy shots just dribbling the ball.

[@hahahahaflyer]

Thank you they’re missing a true pg. smart ain’t a pg. Tatum and brown are scorers. It’s not in their game to set up everyone else’s shot and still get their own. Need a pg to come in there and take that burden off of them. Even with tatums injury on the first play a real pg would of been huge in last nights game. They rely too much on 3s and isolation. They move the ball more and attack the paint they’re hard to beat and opens up easier in rhythm catch and shoot 3s.

[@DATBOIYK]

Boston got plenty of pieces surrounding Tatum and brown they just not who y'all fan boys think they is especially Tatum

[@the_spoopiest]

@@DATBOIYK Ridiculous, hating on young players 😅

[@anthonyfajardo5563]

Facts!

[@kevinward6141]

They celtics are entering the thunder KD Westbrook territory. Jalen is Westbrook and Tatum needs someone else to be the leader like Curry. He just wants to ball

[@EastBayMB]

JJ and Tim Legler are the perfect compliment with their xs and os insight as former role players/starters to Stephen A’s passion takes as a media star and fan.

[@TONEakaSHOW]

Fax I have looked at Legs and JJ as future coaches for a few years. They just know the game period, amazing to hear them talk basketball

[@richardhill222]

It was the coaching.

[@mambaveli7524]

People forget how important Gallinari injury was..He was one player on the Celtics who was able to post up

[@tannerw5011]

brogdon going down was huge too. better playmaker and best 3 point shooter on the team. heat had injuries too so no excuses, but herro is trash on defense , i think you can argue they’re better without him and caleb getting the minutes.

[@seventhcompactor1505]

Oh stop. Gallinari has been done since 2018

[@gregoryguerrier963]

​@@user-qg1dq7yl3qI agree with you but in this particular series he would have made an impact against the heat.

[@ArturoNL19]

gallinari wouldn’t made an impact 😂 he’s old asf

[@Shpankyy]

@@tannerw5011 Same with miami missing their 2nd best scorer and playmaker also dipo their 2nd best on ball defender

[@keith7261]

Celtics fans, including myself, overreacted after a very disappointing game last night, so I dont really blame people for the trade talks for JB. He played arguably his worst game of his postseason career, but I give him props for recognizing his failure to lead his team after Tatum went down. The one thing that this team hasn’t had with Jaylen and Jayson is something everyone should keep in mind; stability. 3 different head coaches in a span of three seasons, personnel changes especially going from kyrie to kemba and then trading kemba away. Teams that are in the upper echelon of contenders all have some stability with their core roster and head coach (i.e. Denver, Miami, Golden State, and Bucks until this year). It allows teams to build an identity and a culture, and I think thats what Boston has been lacking. Going from last year to this year, Boston didnt change the roster much, so I think Brad Stevens will hopefully decide to keep building what they have instead of blowing it up completely.

[@solido888]

This is valid, and hopefully we will stop seeing good coaches get fired after one lackluster season. Lakers fans calling for Darvin Ham's head is ridiculous. Same with Mazzula.

[@keith7261]

@@solido888 yeah I thought Darvin Ham did a good job, unfortunately the Lakers just never were able to have enough time with their roster post-trade deadline to fully jell. AD and Bron both have work to do (assuming Bron doesn’t retire) because their lack of consistent jump shooting this year made their entire offense worse. Every successful team in nba history didnt get to that point by going out and making blockbuster trades and signings in a single offseason. It takes time for these teams to figure things out together. Well… unless you’re Golden State with KD, then you can steam roll through everything. But everyone tries to be that next “unstoppable big three” but they all fail for the most part.

[@DaFifaKid]

without tatum getting hurt we win no doubt imo

[@kingcollins3965]

Honestly, Mark Jackson is the coach that this team needs. They need someone who will challenge them, not be there friend like Joe M.

[@ruleoflaw2954]

Is the coach distracted or something? It seems he is dealing with a problem of some sort?

[@isaac-shapiro]

Legs and JJ is a prime lineup on First Take we NEED MORE

[@symphonylove1]

It's funny how after a bad game, people are questioning Jaylen Brown instead of highlighting Marcis Smart once again failing huge defensively and affecting the offense. Both last season and this one, he led each series in flops and ref complaints. It is insane how he fell asleep on so many uncontested shots. Why in the world is that not being highlighted. If anything, he gotta go. And why wasn't Grant Williams playing but complaining on the sidelines? Same thing he did last series with the GSW.

[@playboicxrti612]

I think the problem is Marcus Smart. I think they need a better facilitator and scorer from the PG position.

[@anthonyfajardo5563]

Time to bring in yam madar, worth the shot

[@CleanMusicLover229]

Marcus Smart saved us in games 4, 5 and 6

[@jonathandejesus1694]

As a heat fan I think their fine..it’s not just their already championship level roster, look around the league..a lot of aging stars and up and coming teams that are about 2 seasons away from coming together for real contendership..they would really only have Denver in the way and maybe the suns..I actually have them winning a chip somewhere in the next 3 years..with that said let’s go heat 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@solido888]

Definitely not the Suns. Joel Embiid will lead a team to a title before Devin Booker does.

[@lestershipman3039]

Jj a dummy they let anybody on tv nowadays

[@EricMcBride323]

@@lestershipman3039 Stop hatin.

[@sencillo96]

They are a championship level team they just didn't have a championship coach..... I'll say Miami doesn't have a championship roster team but they do have that mentality and on top of that they have a championship coach....

[@Eric-lx8hp]

​@@lestershipman3039he good looking, white, ex player and not 300+ lbs

[@JasonJia909]

How do people not remember where the nuggets were at just a few years ago? Give these two more time. Regroup and run it back.

[@HahaHaha-km4sm]

Different.. Den had injuries ..This team is done

[@Crow_III]

More time? It's been 6 years and 4 ECF appearances later already... They've been the best team in the East the last 4 years in terms of top 5 offense and defensive rating. They have all the pieces, it's literally just up to Tatum and Brown as the stars of the team to elevate them by being CONSISTENT. But they haven't done so when they need them the most.

[@the_spoopiest]

@@Crow_III maybe because they're still young, 25 and 26 absolutely no reason to let them split before they reach their prime

[@JasonJia909]

@@Crow_III They're in their mid-20s. Chill bro.

[@JasonJia909]

@@HahaHaha-km4sm The only significant injury in these past few years was MPJ, and I don't think you can argue that having MPJ would have put that team into the finals...Murray and KCP injuries recently obviously did not affect them

[@onehandedbandit8702]

Nah, Tatum and Brown WILL get it done. I'm confident in both of them

[@Goatlikeitornot]

Same

[@nathanielcranshaw7839]

They won’t

[@pickleballclub6946]

Facts bro.

[@jobcarando7715]

agreed, but its gonna be hard to keep the pieces they got now if they'll have 2 players on supermax's

[@DbeeM]

This celts team is done ! these dudes , especially tatum and brown,don’t have that killer instinct when it matters most. It’s in the eyes , they look like scared little puppy digs when it’s time to “beast on up”.

[@Fernando-fr5cu]

They need a great coach to take them over the hump. Mozula is not that.

[@melvinhhcp3615]

I strongly agree!!!

[@guyprieto1593]

Remeber when the raptors had tracy mcgrady and vince cater if you get a coach who can make that work dont blow it. Winning a title isnt easy. They have the peices they just need a bit more scoring and maybe a better coach

[@mikeedwards9984]

The fact Boston had all those picks from brooklyn to the free agent signings and to not win a title is a failure.

[@loopytwxlsjr]

By free agent signings you mean Horford and Hayward?

[@elijaharvinger1178]

There's no such thing as failure. Only steps to success. This is a step up on his journey to his ultimate goal.

[@feedthefirekirtan4861]

@@elijaharvinger1178giannis that you bro ?

[@elijaharvinger1178]

@@feedthefirekirtan4861 😂

[@mitchelllee8651]

Brooklyn also had another big three after that trade lol

[@HaezeusYT]

Their styles don’t compliment each other at all, in fact they clash more often than anything unironically

[@Marcell.Lovett]

if their styles didn’t compliment each other they wouldn’t have gotten this far 5 times

[@HaezeusYT]

@@Marcell.Lovett 5 times with 0 rings. Something isn’t working obviously. I didn’t know losing was an accomplishment

[@SojiFro_0]

⁠@@Marcell.Lovett “If their styles didn’t compliment, they wouldn’t have failed 5x.” See how crazy that sounds?

[@Marcell.Lovett]

@@HaezeusYT but your statement is not at all the reason why they have failures is my point…

[@Marcell.Lovett]

@@SojiFro_0 yeah that makes zero sense that’s why i didn’t say that lol

[@queyoung6597]

I believe Tatum & Brown have reached their ceiling as far as talent. From a talent perspective I don't see Tatum & Brown getting any better, but in order for Boston to win a championship they'll have to adjust how they play the game. When I look at their team last year in the finals and compare them to the team that lost last night, they didn't show any growth.

[@User-q6x3b]

I understand, but when I think of tatum being barely 25, i think he has room. I could see him in his prime in 3 years

[@queyoung6597]

@@User-q6x3b It depends if he changes his game & mentality. If he continues to play the same for the next 3 years, then his prime won’t look much differently from how he looks now. Think Paul George. A player with height, handles, the ability to shoot & defend, but has a “too cool” demeanor.

[@User-q6x3b]

@@queyoung6597 I agree that the mental aspect is just as important as any other. It'll depend on how his mind develops I guess

[@1NslX]

Them two be bricking too many threes. No need to jack up threes when they’re not going in. Both of them are too talented to rely on shooting from deep.

[@datsapaddlin]

They probably ain’t gonna be no dynasty because it’s a lot of talent in the league but I think they could win a championship. It’s hard to win a championship today. From 2019 to now no one has gone to the finals back to back years. It’s been a lot of parody now.

[@nadunphotos807]

JJ Redick summerized it perfectly, Jayson Tatum is a Perfect Batman. They need veteran presence and experienced coach.

[@Emp2014]

No he's not and that's the problem with this team. You guys expect Tatum to be something he's not. He came out of his own mouth and basically implied he doesn't believe he's a superstar after game 5 of the finals last year. He's no different this year as far as his mental makeup. He's soft, and he doesn't have the burst to attack the rim consistently against great comp

[@nadunphotos807]

@@Emp2014 Yeah man I just mentioned it as sarcasm. Tatum is not the guy for leading your team to a championship. He may be a perfect robin but not the Batman. He’s too inexperienced to do so. But I think with veteran presence and a good coach he may develop into a guy who could lead into their team to a championship.

[@Himsagi-Artz]

He should just run his contract and go play with Luka

[@AuburnFanSince2010]

Tariq is a number 2.

[@Kai_soze]

He’s not Batman though. He’s Batman sometimes but more Robin when it comes to high pressure situations. He doesn’t have that killer mentality and does corny stuff to make losses even worse. That Kobe text and the jacket he wore saying “anything is possible” lol he’s always getting meme’d to death because he does stupid stuff before big games then shits the bed.

[@SSJRome]

The “ downhill” guard was suppose to be Malcolm Brogdon lol but yeah this group has probably reached their ceiling and a change needs to be made.

[@Gtahenny]

I rather be at the ceiling in the finals then on the floor with the 28 other teams

[@SSJRome]

@@Gtahenny so you’d rather lose then

[@melvinhhcp3615]

They should've kept Udoka

[@Gtahenny]

@@SSJRome only 1 team can win a year. Five conference finales and they Young. I get it happens all the time in sports. Overreacting to the moment. You probably think Jimmy Butler is top 3 player in the league and Jokic is the best player. But was saying Kwahi was best player when he won with Toronto

[@xavierb9061]

@@Gtahenny no chance at title..cant get better...spurs were at floor. Now wemby

[@amendozapr]

Tatum and Brown are just another Durant and Westbrook story… if they only could make it work, in the long run they will be great TOGETHER. And this is from a Miami Heat fan.

[@AJA__1]

They play the same position. They’re both SF, even though they list Brown as a 2. Neither can create shots for others, which is what you need from at least one of them.

[@hahahahaflyer]

That’s why they need a pg.

[@Brian-fk8zr]

That's cap Tatum is a great playmaker. The Celtics' problem is that they suck when he's on the bench and lose 15 point leads. Brown didn't show up against the Heat simple.

[@mookd5756]

Everyone is missing an important point….you’d get a star or a haul for Jaylen. It’s not necessarily a step back just a step in a different direction….I’d move him now.

[@Bran-Da-Don]

I like them having JJ on there as a regular. He's the only guest host that still gets into an argument with Stephen A even after they agree with each other.

[@phonefamoustv7930]

I’ve never watched Tatum play and thought Wow, this guy is the truth. He’s just the best player on a well rounded team imo. He has the green light

[@SpeedFoe]

Ime Udoka beat Miami in 6 last season. Eric Spoelstra beat Joe Mazulla in 7 this season. Essentially both teams have the same players as last season give or take a few different players but both teams were pretty much identical to last season’s teams. The only differences were that Boston had a significantly less experienced Coach this season than they had last season…!!!!! The Coaching disparity was clearly a huge factor in Miami winning the ECF title. The decision to hire a 34 year old Rookie in Joe Mazulla is a curious one, considering the level of Coaches available at the time of Udoka’s departure… Coaches such as Avery Johnson, Rick Carlisle, Marc Jackson etc… They all could have potentially been hired to replace Ime IF the front office was SERIOUS about trying to win a championship with this core…!!!! 💯🍀🍀🧐🧐

[@oliverahui9810]

It’s like day and night difference when listening to JJ and Steven 😂. Thank you JJ, you’re special!

[@hiphopbreaux]

Celtics need is a playmaker and a big man.

[@rayalvarez7247]

J.B work on his game in the offseason. Handles , mid range, 3pt shooting. Mazula should watch videos of high school kids breaking a zone.

[@davidjones5547]

But Brown has also never said that he loves Boston

[@supastarrdre7682]

Very true

[@ghsense2626]

​@@supastarrdre7682 shut up and pay the man his 60 mil per season

[@franciscorendon6955]

Elite talent is so hard to get in the NBA. You can't just let Brown walk and no matter what you get in return for him there is no guarantee it will work better than what they have. There is nothing to think about, Brown and Tatum will play together for at least 5 more years unless one decides they need a change in scenery.

[@RedCGaming12]

They literally went and got Malcolm Brogdan but I said then He plays just like Marcus smart 😂😂 they really needed to give Tatum a backup

[@jimmyconway6080]

Great players don’t need backups

[@melvinhhcp3615]

@@jimmyconway6080 Yes they do. Great players don't play 48mins per game! 🤡

[@kjayy3924]

@@jimmyconway6080 lmao name a great player that won that didn’t have a co-star

[@antonioemile1659]

​@@kjayy3924aside From Hakeem, no one

[@HiIamFlash]

​@@antonioemile1659 hakeem had clyde who was 21.5 pts, 9.5 clyde rebs and 6.8 ast

[@RiruKrypto_]

Jaylen Brown was way better last year but seems like he want to be a leader on his own team, they just gotta stay healthy and need a solid point guard floor general.

[@mikebryant8507]

He doesn’t want it badly. Too busy showing off his kid.

[@thomassmithn.y.c]

Did they forget that Tatum is the star who never gets scrutinized, why is Brown the scapegoat. It took 4 games for Tatum to score a point in the 4th quarter and they lost 3 of them, straight. He played a bad game and also the game plan was to jack up 3 pointers, no plays called to get him in the post or driving. Brown just needs to really work on his handles this off-season, that's his weak area.

[@bradynewf96]

Giannis being out is blown out of proportion. Heat were destroying the Bucks in game 1 even before Giannis went down. And then Game 2 the Bucks won anyways. There was 1 game where him being out really changed the outcome of the game in my opinion

[@yeahyeahyeahwhat6271]

He played 2 games out of 5 😂

[@bradynewf96]

@@yeahyeahyeahwhat6271 They blew out the Heat in one of those games it made no difference. Game 1 he did play he just got injured early.

[@colbylandwehr3334]

Gallinari was a huge piece. Needed a reliable shooter

[@johnnyrocken8818]

Raptors had to trade their most beloved player to get over the hump. Sometimes teams just need a shake up

[@gado_rsa]

J.J. Redick has become the star of this show.

[@YRLN.Z]

Celtics Need A Point Guard Floor General Who Can Run The Ball And Needs To Bring In Vogel & Rondo On To The Coaching Staff

[@DATBOIYK]

Why when Tatum is ball dominant iso scorer

[@YRLN.Z]

@@DATBOIYK and that’s the problem having a guy who can facilitate and run the offense helps limits turnovers and iso ball.

[@matthewrutters6842]

Then you shouldn't be paying both of the Js supermax money if one of them can't run simple plays for the offense. Imo, it's the coaching. They need a better offensive playbook.

[@YRLN.Z]

@@matthewrutters6842 not every superstar runs plays themselves look at curry and Giannis and derozan they got people like draymond jrue and lonzo to run it for them to make it easier on the superstars

[@KenMamba]

Tatum and Brown needs to learn to play off the ball as well especially if they will have a true PG

[@JamesMNJR]

The title is misleading. JJ didn’t talk about them as a duo

[@RadThings]

As a Bucks fan, now I’m not feeling so bad.

[@_madpanda]

Give these two a true point guard and much decent center rather than breaking them apart.

[@waternotwater5562]

Their centers are great

[@YeahOk8]

Kobe was 21 when he won his first ring.. No one asked I just wanted to mention

[@MrThisguy200]

Legler knows ball. Just a great segment all around

[@dylanalbuquerque4854]

I’ll concede that this isn’t the strongest argument but until JT and JB can prove us wrong this argument will always exist, and so far they haven’t proven anything

[@bullsfan2021]

if marcus spears is a pokemon its the evolution of kendrick perkins

[@ringofli212]

THEY NEED A POINT GUARD A floor general. They needed to start Brogden

[@Marcell.Lovett]

he’s not a floor general

[@pillowcase5576]

They could of had MJ in his prime and they still would of gotten bodied.. Tatum is simply not him. Man took a dive and basically said "Jimmy its too hard for me the title is too heavy, take it for me because I cant handle it"

[@michaelhession2105]

Brogdon is injury prone if he's a full-time starter. Thats why he comes off the bench.

[@ringofli212]

@Joey Badass he's versatile enough to set up an offense. Part of their issue the past two years has been that Brown/Tatum start going shot for shot when the offense gets outta sink. When they hot it works when they not they just dig a hole bigger than the one they was in. A true point (not necessarily saying Brogden is) can or could have set them up in their spots instead of them play iso and jacking up 3's

[@blablablaa14]

Jalen Brown for Dame and the 3rd pick. Who says no? Boston extends their window, draft Scoot/Miller and Dame (one for the future, one for winning now). Make it clear Tatum is their guy Portland gets a restart with their young crew and Jalen Brown, who will be their number 1. Jalen gets his super max

[@videoclipedits2848]

Its crazy, cause Boston Celtics are the #1 most talented team in the NBA currently. Its unquestionable rn. They have Tatum, Brown, Smart. Then they got Robert Williams, and derrick white. Those 5 guys are the core of the team and when they play good, there literally winning. Look at how many defensive stops they made. Everyone else should be there to complement those 5 guys for plays in my opinion. They should be perfecting the roster to fit there play styles. Tatum, Brown, Smart, White, and Robert is too nice to demand greatness and kick people off like Lebron would.

[@Kai_soze]

Those guys cannot get the job done. The only way they win is if the team that they’re playing chokes more than them. They’re so inconsistent in the playoffs

[@videoclipedits2848]

@@Kai_soze I am beginning to believe that also. They even had Kyrie a couple years ago.

[@videoclipedits2848]

@Nathaniel Walker Marcus Smart

[@ShadomanG]

Jaylen Brown needs to look in the mirror. Comes off as extremely SENSITIVE after the KD trade chatter. Part of the business & it looks like he never fully recovered mentally. U want to be the No. 1 option, yesterday was your chance after the early Tatum injury. Needs to become a better PLAYMAKER. Can’t create for others & his handle is far too loose for a guard. Has to get in the lab he Can’t go left

[@inyoulife]

I LOVE JASON TATUM he is a class act. They may not have won this one however their accomplishment speaks for themselves they still can do it!!

[@jed3177]

He’s cheeks can’t win a big game

[@az1384]

​@@jed3177 oh my recency bias... game 7 against Philly was two weeks ago

[@Donaldjonald2]

Really like seeing Marcus on basketball topics. Apparently he knows more than perk does

[@cdub5072]

Celtics need to just add a PG and center.

[@guyprieto1593]

Smart is great don't give him up. He is the spirit if the team and he always plays hard. Trust me any team would love to have a guy like that

[@johnpalmer6859]

Smart and brogdon are good pg

[@tylerwest3161]

@@guyprieto1593smart is cheeks bro has no IQ

[@melvinhhcp3615]

Brogdon & White can stay. I would get rid of Smart while he's still viable.

[@drechillin2154]

We just need a play making pg

[@scaryhoursph]

Would love to see this C's in the Finals next year

[@ericjohnson-greer9687]

If Udoka was still there they likely would’ve won in 6

[@JovaniMiller2001]

I said that when the Celtics went down 3-0 they made a mistake by letting go this series would of been done in 6 if they didn’t let him go

[@michaelhession2105]

He wouldn't have helped. The Celtics had the same flaws under him that they have now with Mazzulla.

[@jayt4678]

Nah we just need a legit big man threat. Al is literally 40 and rob is kind of one dimensional. Tatum pairing with embiid would be nasty or I’m fine w keeping jb and trading other pieces for a all star type center.

[@ike.o6944]

Tatum and Brown are going through what D-Wade and LeBron went through in Miami in 2011. D-Wade and LeBron were both 1A and they didn't flow offensively because of it and didn't maximize each other to their full capabilities. D-Wade went to LeBron the following year and told him that he would take a beat seat to LeBron and that LeBron is the best player on the team. The offense had to run through LeBron...I still think Jaylen Brown is better than Tatum... but one of them is going to have to take a backset to the other and accept it 💯if this going to work. Fact💯.

[@drechillin2154]

Jb can’t dribble like Tatum

[@zacwoods]

No. They’ve had way more time vs when LeBron and Wade had the conflict the first year. Its been 5 seasons. Its over.

[@TRINI818]

Also reminds me of Vice Carter and T-Mac situation, when T-Mac ended up leaving cause he felt he was playing behind vince shadow

[@borganfreeman]

The difference is Wade was a champion and superstar and Tatum is just light skinned and a shot jacking star not superstar who hasn't proved anything yet other than bad 3s and a texterizer and Brown is raw sewage and a turnover machine. Neither Brown nor Tatum has proved anything in almost a decade in the NBA other than stat padding in the regular season and folding in the playoffs. 1-4 in the ECFS. They both are frauds

[@mura0]

the media is doing that for them since day one. Media elected JT as number one and to be honest they are virtually identical. JT has better handles at this point but JB can work on that this off season.

[@jamesparker1325]

I think Celtics need more developing for every player. This year Celtics was mostly about offense and got away from what worked mostly last year was defense they only started picking up defense in the playoffs . I think they need more time to work on things and make no major changes this is there coach first year and honestly he did pretty good considering what he was up against. Now whether Brown need a max contact i don't think he there yet. But might have to bite the bullet and give it to him. I hope he works on a few things if he going to get that money we need him to be that one two punch.

[@tigerhoods7927]

Lol people have been saying for years jayson Tatum ain’t that guy

[@BijinMCMXC]

And we got called crazy for it.

[@guyprieto1593]

Bro he doesn't command a team like a superstar but the great thing about the Celtics they move as a unit. It just wasn't there year. Look at jokic and Denver not a traditional superstar but his whole team plays around him and they just blew out their confrence.

[@tigerhoods7927]

@@guyprieto1593 they’re missing true leadership

[@adamp3133]

Celtics need more consistent shooters and more inside presence. If Robert Williams could start and give them 40min a night in the playoffs then they'd be a beast of a team to beat. But they are too inconsistent.

[@YRHN24]

I need tatum to develop a post game asap man when he is being guarded by these smaller players I rarely see him abuse those mismatches like lebron kawhi butler these big fowards

[@stanleymosel6049]

Tatum needs to spend the summer working with or studying Kevin mchale and Kevin Garnett, he definitely needs a post game to fall back on when his threes aren’t falling.

[@beebers99]

Need more balance inside and out. Too much 3 point shooting.

[@WrestlingIsReal649]

They definitely reached their ceiling time trade jaylen brown for a elite pg 🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️

[@melvinhhcp3615]

They already got Brogdon.

[@cortrellhonor8839]

He said elite

[@guyprieto1593]

Bro they have 2 nuclear options why would you trade that for a maybe? If anything next year you will be saying get tatum help. Brown and tatum are similar except I feel like brown is more creative going to the the rim don't trade that away. If tatum doesn't get injured they might be in the finals

[@hahahahaflyer]

@@guyprieto1593 people are forgetting you want to trade brown and. It give him the max fine who you trading him for? None of the options on the market currently are worth it. Tweak the roster get some better assistant coaches and run it back. In 2-3 seasons they still haven’t won a chip brown will be 28-29 in his prime on a long term deal he’ll still be tradeable

[@guyprieto1593]

@wade is so old yeah exactly. Plus these two have played together they know each other unless they are beefing keep them and retool you have a contending team for years

[@WalkingW_]

Russ and KD were the earlier version of Tatum and Brown. They did all these guys did at a very young age but couldn’t get over the hump.

[@janc9076]

Just because they didnt make it to the finals dont mean something is wrong with the players. I think they need a coach who is strong enough to lead them. I think that team is missing their old coaches leadership. They made it further than most other teams. Nothings wrong with them and they dont have to win everything to be relevant.

[@Gnofg]

no post no consistent half court offense.

[@janc9076]

@@Gnofg all that and they still better than most.

[@QRobNYC]

@@Gnofg Wrong, they need to go out and find a real guard. Smart is good but he ain’t a PG he’s more of a two guard.

[@Gnofg]

@@QRobNYC Smart is so slow that he can’t drive. He is the Tyler Hansborough of guards. What a post does it allows for off ball play. I can not believe that Williams never created any moves. Teams that have no post have the same problem. Look no further than the Atlanta Hawks. The post is the best passing position.

[@haniesmail7721]

I think the coach is good. First year and he almost crawled them out of a 3-0 hole. but he needs some offensive minded assistants so they dont look so stale and predictable on offense. To me it looks like tatum and brown get motivated to play the usual good defense when the offense is rolling. And they need a pg i think smart became the defacto pg when they traded all their other ones. Smarts still the heart and soul tho

[@courtneysmith1352]

JT & JB always struck me as a duo that could win one together if everything lined up right, but I don’t see multiple championships

[@borganfreeman]

No way Brown is worth the max. He is raw sewage and plays remedial in big moments and on top of that Tatum is soft as butter. Its time to blow up this team. They keep talking about the 5 eastern conference championships however they are 1-4! Its over they've had 3 different coaches and they are guaranteed to fold in the clutch. Im tired of Jaylen Brown looking remedial after jacking up a terrible shot or turning the ball over and im tired of Tatum finding a way to play as light skinned as possible in big games. Both can go and im not sure both are much better than Brandon Ingram idc about the accolades my eyes say Brandon Ingram is on the same level and I definitely wouldn't pay autistic Jaylen Brown 60 million a year after folding to an 8th seed at home. He was mediocre with the box haircut and he's just as mediocre after the haircut. Both can go. I'd try to get CJ MCCOLLUM, Ingram or Zion for half of what Brown wants. Id easily take Cj and Ingram for Brown and a pick. This is the Washington Wizards 2.0 the last decade or a half pick the era. Either you pick the John Wall 🧱 Bradley Beal era or the Gilbert Arenas, Antwan Jamison/Larry Hughes era, this team is those teams at best with the addition of Marcus " Not So Smart". This team is walking turnover from top down. I think any star alongside Tatum maybe Lillard or maybe a combo somehow of maybe Brandon Ingram and McCollum or just maybe KD and Tatum is enough

[@brenttenorio9265]

4 Keys for Celtics to win the title next yr: 1. Protect homecourt (Reg Season and Playoffs) 2. Get back to being a defensive-minded team rather than beating teams with 3s. Lock 'em down like it's 2022. 3. Secure #1 seed in the east. Time to win 60+games. Regular season matters. 2024 is the time. 4. Dominate the playoffs. Cant play game 7 every round or rally back in a series. Sweep the teams that they are supposed to sweep. The Celtics are in the Eastern Conference, they'll be most likely back in the conference finals (at least).

[@ILoveGod320]

JJ Redick didn’t say those 2 hit their ceiling. As an entire squad they have per him

[@MrFranchize99]

As a heat fan regardless if we win the chip this been a crazy turn around of a szn. All szn we just wanted them to show effort and when they did we won the east

[@bluespower1961]

A life long Celts fan. Tatum and Brown are the CHOKE BROTHERS!!!!!

[@Davis_Jr]

Definitely not time to pull the plug on the duo. They need a coach!! A coach that can put a system together for both guys to be successful. Right now all they do is play iso ball and jack up 3’s.

[@W2Tymes]

As a Celtics fan, i think a new coach(Monty Williams) is needed. Smart, Horford, and Pritchard all need to be moved and replaced with some size and athleticism. If JB can't accept the 1A role then move him for Dame or the 3rd pick. I'd even replace Brad Stevens with Bob Meyers. Moves need to be made.

[@FlyBoulJor]

they need a 3rd piece , like a lonzo ball , ingram , mcollum someone of that caliber

[@mr.mikelewis1030]

Denver is a tough matchup for obvious reasons but Miami have grit they grind Denver haven't played a defense like Miami...also Denver have never been on this stage that pressure hit different in the Finals ....

[@redruler7462]

coaching is literaly the only problem. 5 coachs were fired already and the one that needs to go the most is still gonna be on the team.. as a Heat fan this team is set to go against giannis and thats it for the next few years. JT and JB next year will be 26 27 going in to the playoffs they still arent in there prime but they have all the assets to win and already made it so far multiple times they could be a freaking dynasty if they keep a solid core together and bring in a good coach if they break up its the dumbest thing that could happen basicaly JB has all the power right now and could sign a deal that creats a legit dynasty

[@wraynephew6838]

We cannot forget that last year the Celtics were in the NBA finals. This team is far from done. I always believed coaching was the problem. They should of not fired Udoka

[@jorgebragacruz]

Best First Take line up here for basketball debate. Maybe the best on TV. Please stick to it more! People want inteligence and knowledge not just conflict and controversy.

[@michaeln3044]

This will be timelord’s first real offseason where it’s not just about rehab. I’m kind of excited to see what he does with a developmental offseason

[@Skillem]

I love how ESPN clickbait JJ's comments.

[@lixiang7349]

Kawai Load-Management even defeated GSW. Just have to be lucky enough to have opponents 2 best players to be out.

[@thomasdavis4533]

JJ Reddick definitely should be a NBA head coach one day . He knows the ins & outs of the game .

[@anthonybroadnax4987]

Love JJ’s SEG after he asked if not talking about Denver was SAS’s fault. 😂😂

[@SaucyJellyYoutubeGaming]

JJ is too good for these guys

[@keithbarnesx97]

I can't be the only one who thinks this: Miami MADE the playoffs and lost a game against Atlanta that they should've won. I'm not as shocked about them knocking off Boston when you think about that way, they fell in seeding. Honestly, at the beginning of the year I said Boston would have some issues ahead BECAUSE of the coaching change. Got a lot of pushback on it too from some Boston fans lol I think I wrote that comment on here actually

[@prof637]

@ the title thats not what JJ said. he said the pieces around both JT and JB need to improve

[@SojiFro_0]

They’ve hit their ceiling and neither player is making the other one better. Boston may not want to separate them, but if I’m Tatum and I’m that young with that kind of talent, I want to be next to an actual floor general.

[@sheastadium2008]

I know other NBA fans want to say the Heat are better, but that's just not true in my opinion. Did they win? Yes, but the Celtics haven't been playing to their full potential and nobody knows why. This team really could've had back to back titles by now, but they always struggle or underperform when it matters. The faces of Tatum and Brown after important losses says it all. They don't care. Sad.

[@kingkai9582]

Despite the misleading title, this was a really good segement from from both stephen a, jj and legler

[@wilsontv2806]

Look at jj reaction when sas said Denver been flying under the radar

[@davighidetti8947]

JJ is the best analyst out there period

[@heroofharo]

The issue isn't talent. It's giveadamn and resilience. There's no excuse for these guys losing to Miami on paper.

[@JulianPhotofit]

Jalen Brown wants to leave. They put him on the trading table for KD. That can't feel good.