jocko podcast 159 w/ Echo Charles: Machiavellian Rules for Warfare and Life. Machiavelli.

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0:00:00 - Opening.
0:16:00 - "The Art of War", Niccolo Machiavelli.
1:23:15 - Final thoughts and take-aways.
1:32:00 - Support: How to stay on THE PATH.
2:03:44 - Closing Gratitude.

[@travismitchell210]

I'd love to see you cover "meditations" by Marcus Aurelius or any of Senecas work.. those 2 and Jocko are my go to when I need an attitude adjustment lol

[@jonwolf2247]

To cover Stoicism in general would be awesome.

I think he already said "yes" to Meditations, we just have to wait now.

[@Kansasrunner]

Travis Mitchell literally just got "Meditations" yesterday. So far great

[@raimundosilva4382]

Por Antônio as forças formando um exército com todos os trabalhadores que eles consideram como um pobre podre e o Toninho da força com todos formando um exército de base contra o governo corrupto nada dessas p****** nada d********* nada d********* Será que ele não entende nada d********* essa desgraça nada d********* a não ser o ninho das forças contra esses cornos essas p*** estou unido a força contra o governo corrupto estarei sempre formando um exército com as pessoas trabalhadeiras trabalhadores contra o governo corrupto tão lindo formando um exército nada de feliz feliz só foi um p******** deles ophélie só se for pau na b***** das pontas das

[@jacobcave7486]

Take a shot Everytime Echo says "ye" while Jocko's talking in the first 40mins

[@lukecaruana8871]

I typed two things on military related stuff and Jocko comes up. Respect brother!

[@Ninthsignmusic]

There is a philosophy called stoicism that relates to a lot of what Jocko talks about! The main 3 Stoics were Marcus Aurelius, Seneca, and Epictetus. They have very inspirational books that I highly recommend. You can use stoicism even in modern day life! I’m still fairly new to it, but it’s changed me greatly.

[@DiogenesOfDelaware]

Uhhh diogenes

[@Ninthsignmusic]

Justin Cogar Wasn’t he one of the founders of the Cynic Philosophy?

[@animula6908]

It’s beautiful to hear someone acknowledge how people really act and have none of the normal lies piled on to justify it and called everything but what it is.

[@coachkota1774]

I’ve never liked it more when people talk about their products 😂

[@ws1240]

See ya brendan and theo jocko is talking

[@ProductProbes]

For sure!

[@HughJasbawls]

Yep! Shut off the mouse sting dingaling king when I saw this pop up!

[@adipuppi]

doesn’t make a deeeeeeeent

[@christianmadden1301]

Good podcast I like when echo has more input on the episodes

[@autr3553]

Walking to school listening to Jocko makes my day. Cheers Jocko, keep it up.

[@Yetipfote]

yeah! The sooner you know this stuff the better! All the best for your life! 🙏

[@missyangfire874]

2 of my favorite books of all time are Nicolo Machiavellis "the Prince" and also "the art of war ". Coming from you omg. Respect

[@albewillbuild]

Superb. Thoth podcast informith and provokith much thought! Cool. Awesome. Happy New Year. Thanks again.

[@patana256]

Perfect podcast episode. Needed this.

[@ThatGuyRonnie24]

I'm with echo regarding the 12 minute 'excerpt'. I like them at that length. It's not too long and not too short. It's long enough to hear the thorough explanations. And also, I enjoy the little banter in between. It's like a mini Jocko Podcast, minus the 2 hours.

[@unskixxxl]

Good one. Again. Thank you!

[@heronlyfriend]

I wanna hear more about what Echo learned from Shark Tank

[@EthanStMarie]

I’d love to see David goggins as a guest that may just break the internet

[@Kansasrunner]

Ethan St. Marie unfortunately the universe would never allow that much Alpha energy in one room. The universe would implode

[@cdrtej]

Nnaaaahhhh

[@jlghinis]

Don't think goggins likes the seal clan. I love both men's ideas and views (maybe jocko's and echo's a tad more) but I haven't seen goggins associate with many seal guys bar his stories of being in the seals. It would break the Internet, or my Internet haha

[@gdubbg5306]

FARGO! Dang! Perfect example Jocko. Gotta see it Echo you'd like it. Thanks again fellas.

[@andyblake8540]

the series is awesome as well... for when your not changing the world for the better you do good job

[@Yetipfote]

ima watch it asap!

[@AngryOscillator]

Love the image of a kid dumping cold water on Jocko, brief pause then Jocko lunging for the kid

[@star.soaked.wanderer]

The feeling is like when you spin a top and it is spinning just fine for a minute but then it begins to wobble The end is coming, and you see it, you feel it but all you can do is watch.

[@justinwayne445]

So much value here

[@Brokenlance]

Personally I feel that the rule of war that was " Unless you want disorder, have your soldiers do what they're trained to do", I don't think it was meant in that narrow if a sense. A swordsman back then would also be trained in the use of a spear, and possibly bow or gun. I think it's more like asking a platoon of infantrymen to all of a sudden take over command on all logistical operations during a campaign. Or making them do something they aren't well trained in like manning a howitzer. All soldiers I'll m history to today are expected to adapt to battlefield conditions, but do not make them do something that soldiers don't do essentially.

[@MilennialTradesmen97]

good shit, keep it up

[@BattlefieldSailor]

Jocko, since you have Dichotomy of Leadership as a supplement to Extreme Ownership, how about a Q&A book as a supplement to the Field Manual? I think you both mentioned putting it up on the website. It would be tremendous to have a Jocko black and white/succinct manual for leadership and followership problems!

[@dgd947a15fl]

Ethical machiavellianism is a difficult rope to balance on, but it starts with a commitment to avoid pursuing any sort of emotional satisfaction from manipulating.

[@omarmuhammad3242]

love to listen while doing heavy squats!

[@gustavodominguez994]

I closed the WhatsApp fastly at the moment that i received this notification...

[@hantzleyaudate7697]

#25 is my favorite!!!

[@jacobalvarez2541]

Keep an coming guys get another guest on the show!

[@carlosmv4334]

It would be awesome if you had a PJ in the podcast

[@josemanuelsanchezrosales1066]

"I feel like sharks don't really want to eat me..."lmao

[@JPCorwyn]

Elizabethan English, actually. :) Love going over the Short Italian's work. XD

[@Jacob-sb3su]

Get after it today friends. Have a good day and maximize your potential.

[@abadabamcyadadya7896]

Jocko's got good taste in movies

[@Rotoeye]

No Fargo and no Tropic Thunder? You’ve shaken my confidence

[@jimrob27]

"Whew...Middle English. Get some." HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[@JasonWaterfalls13]

It's a double pleasure to deceive the deceiver.

[@officialhellboy6056]

Hey Jocko, I have a question about applying for the army. would u recommend to become a n.c.o or go to school for 2 more years and then try to become a c.o, im 22yrs.

[@codydickson5508]

You're not just gonna come in and become an NCO. You have to earn it on the job, in the field. It'll take at least two years after joining and that's if you're highspeed.

[@heronlyfriend]

Official Hellboy commission x1000

[@rommanarayan2466]

What an incredible cunning Bit

[@highconfessornicodemus1613]

There is no surer sign of decay in a country than to see the rites of religion held in contempt.- Nicolo Machiavelli

[@sethbracken]

The context is important though. Later in that same chapter he says it’s the priesthood of the Catholic Church’s fault that Italy is such a mess. The preists set such a bad example that all the people in the whole country have become wicked and irreligious (meaning they’ll be damned), and the bad example keeps Italy disunified and weak (which is even worse than going to hell, LOL). NM’s observation of decay is both proof of the decay, AND accelerates it by sharing the observation with readers.

[@highconfessornicodemus1613]

The quote is the context for chapter 12 of titus livius. His chief complaint against the church of that time it's that their infighting and their failings harm the Faith and cause strife within the nation. As NM points out, those that conspire against or bring contempt to faith should be admonished, especially if it is a member or body of the clergy.

[@tomjones2056]

brian' the west was indisputably built upon Christian values. The entire legal system is based upon it. U mad bro

[@gordanburin3416]

@Sir Isaac Brock In god we trust is on every piece of us currency. Also you swear over a bible in judicial hearings. Religion is based in values, values are based in religion. You can deny specifics but these facts are true.

[@highconfessornicodemus1613]

Sir Isaac Brock The fact that something as simple as putting "in God we trust" on money can unify a nation suggests that the nation holds a high regard for Christian values. It also suggests that Machiavelli's quote is right. As a weakening of the common faith would cause disunity within the nation.

[@DaRabbiit]

Back to the book

[@sdbling]

Echo’s dope

[@4LawNotes]

Picture Jocko in joggers.

[@danwallace4512]

Goggins guest please !!

[@rappsam1]

Echo, you are going to watch Fargo, right!!?

[@kevinamaya9034]

What’s up fellas, made an order on the JockoStore around Christmas, still no shipping email. What’s up with that fellas lol! Gotta get on that shipping path, GET AFTER IT FELLAS! Haha thanks, but seriously going to those shirts this year.

[@bostjanhren2716]

new camera?

[@kahwigulum]

Machiavelli's 26 Ferenghi Rules of Acquisition

[@keats182]

"Leadership, leadership, leadership...Get some." Anybody else think they would make a good t-shirt?

[@saisaiverba7658]

Echo “Baut-ton” Charles

[@SirGalaEd]

Does anyone know if Mr. Willink ever did a conversation about leading, top tier people? I am in charge of a group of outstanding professional, and I am interested in tip on how to lead highly qualified individuals; how can I lead them to greatness? TIA :)

[@victorham2058]

He talks about that in 160, the live podcast.

[@SirGalaEd]

@@victorham2058 Awesome, Thank you, Sir

[@freedom.4.alberta]

291 views. I feel privilege.

[@dylanclark8358]

I feel privileged because my neighbors aren't starving or trying to eat my girlfriend, only 40s kids remember.

[@calska140]

Ful Wys Is He That Kan Himselve Knowe. English has come a long way.

[@Raao1]

42:00

[@MrChristK]

Echo be real cruisy

[@michaelangelo8898]

No comments yet that can help me skip listening to the whole podcast

[@donalejo1889]

DO MACHIAVELLIAN RULES STILL APPLY TO MY SKINNY KNEES????

[@sdbling]

gettin old bud

[@donalejo1889]

@@sdbling STOP PICKING ON MY DISABILITY WE AREN'T ALL PERFECT LIKE U BRO

[@sdbling]

No no you right be you u bro

[@nikkiarana]

Also, know how to spell "discipline" before you have regerts

[@ryanadamtexas]

Echo "I'd rather press a bUttOn" Jocko "I'd rather press a bUttOn too"😂 Jocko "let me ask you this do your kids have Any fear of you at all? Becuz you seem real nice "😎👌😂😂

[@OzzTonWentToSpace]

Ryan Lol when was this ?

[@ConstantlyRushing]

Uncle Jake's podcast would be video in color

[@Edgar-Friendly]

Rule 25 is Simon Sinek. Invest in the people who will build your organization...that will take bread and money.

[@sujalthapa8188]

Why does echoe's arm look like that? Is that a tattoo?

[@highconfessornicodemus1613]

Christ is the greatest example of Extreme Ownership!

[@strixaluco9369]

King

[@highconfessornicodemus1613]

Sir Isaac Brock Very serious, whether you believe or not, His story is an amazing example of extreme ownership. Using Jocko's lens of Extreme Ownership, Discipline, and recognizong the Dichotomy inherent to most of life, is of value to soldiers, businessmen, politicians and even the faithful. Churches require good leadership as much as any other community or orginization.

[@highconfessornicodemus1613]

Sir Isaac Brock One example is that Christ, although innocent, chose to take the sins of the world upon Himself so that the rest of humanity could be saved. This is not dissimilar to when Jocko talks about a leader needing to take ownership of any mistake made by the team. so that the entire team or company can succeed on future ventures or missions. As the leader will ensure that they are properly equipped and educated to deal with the situation. Another example is to compare Jocko's methods of leadership with the way that Christ interacts with His disciples.

[@highconfessornicodemus1613]

Sir Isaac Brock Those are all great points. They are a perfect example of the Dichotomy inherant within God the Father He is alpha and omega, beginning and ender of the universe, sole creator and sole solution. As a parent, if you allow your children to remain in a perfect and safe environment they are inevitably going to be naive. The only solution is to guide them as best you can and allow them to find the knowledge of good and evil on their own, warning them against it yet knowing they will inevitably taste it. Even knowing full well that your child would trespass before hand, when they do transgress you must discipline them. I am glad that God did not create a perfect world with perfectly obedient creatures, perhaps it is something akin to the struggle of sisyphus. The world would be boring without any work to do. Also if you were the writer of all creation would you write a story with no conflict?

[@highconfessornicodemus1613]

Official KZbin Commentator Edit: the fellow "official KZbin Commentator" had left a question asking me why I try so hard, even though most people dont want to hear someone preaching. This was my response. I am going to leave it up, although I do not know why he deleted his question. 2 Timothy 4.2 Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. I preach because it is what God has called us to do in this age. I have had the chance to speak to every kind and persuasion of people from all over the world. I have seen miracles, and I have seen people's lives turned around by prayer. Christ went out of his way to save me when I am the least deserving. How evil would I have to be to have freely received this salvation and not try to share it?

[@gijoey5912]

"The Art of War" was written by Sun Tzu, not Machiavelli

[@sethbracken]

Printed ca. 1521. A good modern translation was done by Harvey Mansfield. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_War_(Machiavelli)

[@gijoey5912]

Gotcha. Didn't realize Machiavelli wrote one with the same title. I'm taking (extreme) ownership of my mistake.

[@ryanstoyles7611]

@@gijoey5912 jocko is making us all better !

[@ryanstoyles7611]

von clausewitz also wrote an "art of war" - let's just say - sun tzu aint the only one!

[@keats182]

@@ryanstoyles7611 Yeah, they're generals and statesmen, not creative writing experts.

[@christophernorris1895]

Kill

[@choochoodebut3059]

FFS Echo's voice doesn't match his physique .

[@Larr3y]

Hey jocko language is a problem for English speaking people. I Really really love the podcast but understand if you live in Europe and don't speak three languages you are stupid. Language interpretation is a really relevant brain skill Love the podcasts but coming from an English speaking family I wish I could speak multiple languages so I would understand English better