Joe Lindner's Death: My Big Concern

Joe Lindner’s death is nothing other than a tragedy. Whenever someone as young as Joe passes away, it forces those of us who are still here to question why something so terrible can happen and forces loved ones to have to deal with the loss for the rest of their lives.
By all accounts Joe Lindner, or Joesthetics as he was know to his followers, was a caring young man who was passionate about fitness and was in it to help others. Sadly, that is a rarity these days. He was a postiive member of the community and one whose presence will be deeply missed by many.
I put together this video after thinking about what I could add that hasn’t already been said.
I believe in every moment of sadness and great grief, there is an opportunity for growth and change.
I hope you’ll take the time to listen so I can express my thoughts about how the fitness community as a whole can come together and make the change that would, at the very least, allow for something positive to come from what is truly truly a tragic and sad situation for all.
Jeff Cavaliere MSPT, CSCS served as both the head physical therapist and assistant strength coach for the New York Mets. Jeff earned his Masters of Physical Therapy and Bachelor’s of Physioneurobiology from the College of Health Sciences University of Connecticut Storrs. He is a certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist by the National Strength and Conditioning Association (NSCA).

[@bernardomontesdeoca130]

"The people in this industry are good in hiding pain". Killer quote

[@iiii2903]

When they get theig dough, they feel better, don't worry

[@sobored9317]

Wtf are y’all on about acting like Jo suicided - he died of an aneurysm

[@leoscarpoli1nonly]

Hide pain, show gains 💪

[@piotr_sss]

@@don.timeless4993 paul saladino is a clown, regular "guest" on biolayne channel

[@bri-manhunter2654]

@@sobored9317. His gear usage most likely did not help.

[@Terence.1]

It needs to be said Jeff. Thanks for saying it. Self acceptance and staying natural is the only formula for long term health and happiness.

[@MurdahBassRecords]

It wasnt that he wasnt natty it was the fucking 4 boosters of vaccine that put a clot in his brain.

[@tarakazi9132]

100%👍

[@Resident-cb3yz]

So no steroids? I personally think that pple die on these drugs.

[@cristianproust]

Unfortunately today the world is too competitive. If you want to make it, it is a sacrifice that has to be done. That is just the way it is and is not going to change any time soon

[@noahsibahi-jackson8757]

Except you seem to ignore the fact that vigorous Steve a highly knowledgeable bio hacker in the fitness community said that his blood work was exceptional all things considered and he was not even on a high dosage of gear nor did his cause of death have anything to do with gear it was a pulmonary aneurism from pressure build in his brain 🧠 possibly from frequent travelling amongst other factors

[@MR-xo6wb]

My son passed away 2 years ago, he was 30. You were spot on with your comments. Thank you, coming from a grieving mother.

[@Rainmaker35]

Sorry for yr loss

[@Cityzen567]

Was he on steroids if you don’t mind my asking?

[@improveu7340]

I'm really sorry for your loss. I can't imagine the pain you must be feeling.

[@OverRule1]

I died right after seeing my mom at the age of 22 for over 8 minutes from a heart condition called Long QT syndrome and is nicknamed Sudden Death Syndrome because healthy kids and adults suddenly drop dead with no warning. I was in the front page newspaper in my county for surviving and every school in my area started putting defibrillators after this happened to me. If I was dead another minute I would of had permanent brain damage, two minutes past that I would not be able to be revived at all. I was very lucky that it happened at a coast guard station at a class for college. I wasn't supposed to be there but the college didn't have room and held class there instead. The coast guards gave me CPR which wasn't working and no defibrillator was in the entire station and so they ran to the ship nearby which no defibrillator was on that ship either but by some miracle a second ship pulled in with a defibrillator and that was enough to jump start my heart. If this would of happened in the college I would be dead because the college didn't have defibrillators until after this happened to me. I don't remember the next two weeks after. It's all a blank but that happened almost 10 years ago and now I'm doing great health wise

[@don.timeless4993]

if athletes do only meat & fruit diet they wouldn't need drugs for training. watch paul saladino to know more sorry for your lost

[@nikospiperpip4788]

That early age trauma you talk about is real, at least in my case. I was beaten up and mugged by 4 18 y.o. bullies when i was 14. No one, parent or other, had ever laid hands on me before that. I took it as personal insult. Since i hate fighting, i made it my goal to look a certain way to send a message to everyone that you are better off not to mess with me. Training with weghts was the answer. At 48 now, after 34 years of bodybuilding, always clean of PED's, always proud of my progress and my journey, i can look back in joy of what i have done, how much it helped me with personal discipline and character building and testify in favor of your message. Thank you!

[@-j-plum6297]

Just when I think my respect for Jeff couldn't get any higher than it already is. You're a good man Jeff. Rest in peace Joe Linder.

[@sandfly1982]

My sentiment exactly 💯 👌🏾

[@GenkiSugiru]

Mature, wise, compassionate, thoughtful, insightful comments from Jeff. My already high respect for Jeff just got even higher.

[@MiguelMedV]

Same here, also read the description of the video, I'm so glad he stays as transparent and Genuine as he can be 💪🏼💯🌟...

[@ferasal-faqir9268]

I have been skinny all my life, around 58 kg when hight of 180 cm , started going to the gym and gained about 6 kg in 5 months now i am 64kg . I was thinking to start taking drugs because I still feel i am so skinny. However after this video , there is no way I will think about it again. Thanks

[@Gidjeem]

What a respectful way of bringing this difficult message. Your tone is absolutly the way we should talk about these topics.

[@sayanfury1979]

I lived my entire life 27years in the gym, in the "shadow" of not taking any PED, it's been really hard... hearing you talking about this in this context, make's me feel goo, so thank you Jeff, for saying the obvious, your voice matters a lot, at least form me!

[@maurice5402]

You're awesome!!

[@stephenday5320]

You will look greater the older you get. Cheaters ( PED's ) will look and feel worse as they get older. Stay natty bro, you will thank yourself as you age. Trust me

[@sayanfury1979]

@@stephenday5320 ,tks,i inte nd to do just that. i'm 44yo,and i,ve seen more than enough "comets" come and fall..

[@29rca]

Could be from vax. Myocarditis up 132X in younger people according to recent study. Then plenty of evidence of 3X more deaths of top athletes on the field. If its free, you are the product!

[@cxg101]

At 40 I feel like staying away from PEDs is easier than ever, not because I’m older and wiser but because so many men half my age have readily destroyed themselves in front of me

[@ankitakashkalita4483]

We need more guys like jeff in this messed up industry

[@Boboexplosion]

He is part of it himself

[@P.a.r.a.d.o.x]

​@@Actimorphic-FitnessHow exactly? If you are gonna say something like that then provide some evidence to back it up.

[@u98112]

Jess also takes, but in a scientific and cautious way

[@P.a.r.a.d.o.x]

@@u98112 and how would you know that?

[@therealjoshtodd]

hundo p

[@lonelyfarmer]

One thing that led me to your channel was your sincerity and positivity. This post proves that even more. You are a great value to the community. Stay true Brother and godspeed!

[@Oshinaba]

I cried 😢, thanks for making this video. It needed to be said and nobody could have delivered this message any better with such humility.

[@immanueliggi]

This is why I stay subscribed to Jeff. Please continue to be the guiding light to all these young gen kids who seek the easiest path to glory.

[@old_skool_genetics4194]

We will die anyway... do you think Jeff words will save us? Live your life how you want buddy.. life is short

[@elliscampbell4885]

What an juvenile perspective. But then again, perhaps you are providing direct evidence supporting the belief that some of “us” aren’t worth saving.

[@donniehollingsworth1611]

I believe Jeff sincerely feels and believes this message and is a good guy, but I would like to see him use his brand of 13 million plus to actively support that. Many videos and many of his programs he sells right now have images and connections or endorsements from ped using celebrities and figures. Website has many images showcasing Arnold and Stallone, Antonio brown and t Fletcher painting an image of these physiques being attainable with these products. Marketing to look like bane or wolverine… I get it, it sells, so here’s a chance to bring in drug tested clients and natural trained celebrities instead of linking your product with images of known ped users creating that link in young kids minds like the supplement industries do in the magazines of mr Olympia drinking some protein flavor and letting kids draw their own conclusions. Just cause you don’t talk about steroids doesn’t mean you aren’t benefiting from their use

[@scotchbarrel4429]

​​@@old_skool_genetics4194t might save someone's life, you never know whose watching. Just think about the cult members that believed they would change the outcome of an election by being pathetic "visitors" at the Capitol on Jan 6th, after listening to a speech. Words are powerful, it only needs to help one person, and it would be worth it, this guy has a platform, so we know it'll reach more then one person, and not everyone's educated, the Jan 6th "visitors" proved that.

[@cretchboc]

@old_skool_genetics4194 you will eat those words one day . Or deny it . Let me ask you a question. We all die one day why not just walk in front of a bus right now? Might as well we all die one day.

[@SAKtime1]

I'm 5 years into my fitness journey, at 58 years old. Great message and much needed right now.

[@rhymeister]

Stay with it, best wishes!

[@carbonjohnson3058]

I meant to comment on this when I first saw this video but I was watching on TV and could not respond at the time. I just want to say that even before this video, I have always felt you come across to me as a very genuine, solid and honest person who speaks from your heart and soul. I love your videos and really appreciate the guidance you have given to me and anyone else who is listening. I get everyone has something to sell and I never feel that when I watch your videos. Stay strong and I hope you continue to deliver great education and guidance for years to come. You are a good man.

[@Baz87100]

Thanks Jeff for being a genuinely good person who actually cares what route people go down not just in this industry but in life as a whole.

[@Nikolai1776]

I have pain everyday. Father of a 3 month old, 1 year in my marriage, struggling with finances. I battle demons everyday but when i put on those running shoes or pick up the weights the demons fade and are replaced with a different kind of pain. Thankyou for making this video Jeff

[@magnusandersson171]

We can struggle together knowing that we are not alone brother. Shared pain is less pain

[@kampar82]

Remember to enjoy the good moments, the first seven years with our first child were not great financially but we did our best. She's now an adult and seems to be a normal person with good memories from her childhood. I too had my own demons, still do, but I keep them as pets now.

[@echospeaks233]

❤

[@thekingscardboard]

Thanks for sharing brother. I feel you. I am also a young father of two and have been married several years now. Struggling financially the entire time. I have been also working out as of recently to gain more clarity and perspective on the pain I am experiencing. It feels bigger than us and overwhelming at times but perspective helps us see it’s not. Blessings to you man! Journey well

[@KR-zn9tk]

Nikolai I salute you brother , your doing amazing and you will be just fine God gives his toughest challenges to his toughest soldiers love from Pakistan bro 🤜🏽🤛🏽✨

[@smarthousetech8593]

I was born in 1993. I had no idea he was my age. Ironic you say I'm a kid because I still feel like I'm figuring out life. It's so nice to hear a real and upfront video like this.

[@jrc0004]

53 here, and I have a son that is 31. 30 y/o is the key age for a man. Its when you should start figuring things out and grow out of the 20's mind set that "I am invincible" and the reality that we are only here for a short amount of time, and the older we get, the more we realize, its not long enough and that life is a true b@tch. Live well, eat well, exercise and find a hobby/activity you are passionate about and go for it.

[@unknown81360]

I’m 23, it’s good to hear

[@AF-xi8ly]

Im 34. Im still figuring it out lol

[@genxer74]

@@jrc0004 i'm about to be 49 and I agree with this 100%.

[@smarthousetech8593]

@@jrc0004 Great Advice. Thankfully I have great parents that set a wonderful example for me.

[@feebee7621]

Truthful, informative, educational, compassionate, passionate and a total class act as always. Your heart is always in the right place no matter what you’re talking about…and that is what makes you a phenomenal human being. God bless you, Jeff. ❤

[@gordon12121212]

Jeff, this is a great message for everyone, not just the fitness community. I can confirm that seeing gains without the use of PEDs is a feeling unlike anything else. The pride in being natural should always supercede the use of PEDs

[@Moazz786]

Whats peds ?

[@jonnyo69]

@@Moazz786performance enhancing drugs = peds

[@nazmulhuda6946]

​@@Moazz786performance enhancing drugs. Like steroid.

[@euanseaman1774]

​@@Moazz786performance enhancing drugs

[@don.timeless4993]

if athletes do only meat & fruit diet they wouldn't need drugs for training. watch paul saladino to know more

[@Harpring04]

Coming from a fitness and nutritional professional of over 30 years in addition to a Masters in Psychology….. this was FLAWLESS in every single way. Every word is absolute truth and if anyone says otherwise to anything Jeff said needs help. Thank you Jeff, this was like nothing I have heard in 30 years.

[@Sharkenite]

Indeed, this was amazing. Jeff worded this masterfully and humbly. I know he's not ignorant of what's going on with everything in social media, but he is very keen and aware of not only the community but the human nature of it all. I am so glad he said this. Everyone needs to hear this, the truth of it all.

[@claygraphics1]

Exactly. Who thumbs down this video anyway?

[@user-ok7nw3hd4k]

The people being ignored who have been damaged by the Clot Shots need help, the media ignores them and so do Governments and brainwashed NPC people.

[@toxic_narcissist]

coming from the strongest man on the planet, I agree

[@marleyhill34]

I'm neurodivergent and I've been on ( Psychiatric prescribed) drugs on and off long term ( for years) since I was 20....I know the side effects for myself ( weight gain being a current one) and I sit in a peer support group with so heavily medicated they don't actually know if they are alive. Numb, zoned out, and battle side effects. Some of my peers have physical illnesses that are uncurable and the drugs are actually keeping them alive but their quality of life is significantly reduced. I'm coming off my anti-psychotic sedating mood stabiliser and it's been a battle...I had to take 12 weeks off in March because my whole body and brain started to shut down. This and I weaned off the medication monitored closely by my doctor and mental health staff. As a recovering perfectionist, I have to tell myself to take the L not for loss but for limit and there is nothing wrong with having a limit.I feel sad when we lose people suddenly with no warning. One of my mental health peers is in the hospital right now because she reached her limit and went over. Sometimes there is nothing we can do but cherish those who are still around, keep a memory alive of those who have gone and keep trying to live our best longest life possible as a tribute to those who didn't make it this far. I didn't know much about Joe as I'm 40's but from what Jeff said, his star surely burned brightly! I hope to live as long as Jeff. In 1993 I just started high school.

[@keystone117]

I’m 57. I’ve worked out for many years, and what you said about sustainable fitness is incredibly important. All my injuries from my 20’s-30’s are coming back to haunt me. I wish I’d been more conservative. There is iron in your words.

[@stephenblum1078]

I’m 67 every decade sees increased rebellious behavior from all the dissatisfied broken injured bones and tissues.

[@tibsyy895]

If you have tendonitis try Platelet Rich Fibrin (PRF). Couldn't do biceps curls without pain for 15 years. One shot each and pain almost completely gone. Injected directly into the tendon. The only thing is to avoid nerves. It might make some fibrosis by ulnar or elbow ACL! Prepared horizontally, ideally and with very low RPM. Give it a shot!

[@aaronbarlow4376]

Kids are often leftist in their youth but eventually mature, get more knowledge and wisdom and become conservative :)

[@luketfer]

@@aaronbarlow4376 Actually studies show that Millenials and Gen Z is not following that. Thanks, largely, to the rising costs of home ownership pricing a lot of people out of trhe market even with decent paying jobs. Once you have a house and family you trend towards more conservative views as you get older, it has nothing to do with 'knowledge and wisdom' and a whole lot to do with financial security. Also the OP didn't mean 'conservative' in political views, he wished he hadn't pushed himself so hard when he was exercising aka 'being conservative'. I can speak from experience, I'm 39 now but back when I was in my 20s I pushed myself to do weight lifting but I never bothered to get a coach to show me proper lifting form, which fucked my back up something fierce after a while but eased off up until 2 years ago my back started giving me havoc, if I so much as twisted in a funny way when I slepted I'd wake up with a trapped nerve that I'd have to spend time working loose again in the mornings and combine with painkillers otherwise I couldn't even bend down to tie my shoelaces.

[@don.timeless4993]

if athletes do only meat & fruit diet they wouldn't need drugs for training. watch paul saladino to know more

[@ElZibda]

Thanks man for this really . I saw the vid a few days ago and didn’t wanna watch it coz I’ve been hearing about Joe everywhere (RIP Joey ) finally got to watch it and I remembered why I look up to you so much 🙏🏻 stay blessed man

[@SKJ9Nrox]

His last post on IG is also a testimony and a great message to everybody watching this. I often watched his content on IG cause he was such an unique character. It's really sad that hes no longer here. Prayers to his family and girlfriend.

[@codyritner3826]

Jeff is a good dude, this is the talk that needs to be heard. Stay natty, save your body, earn your gains, have a future.

[@charlesevanspope]

Alright let’s not insinuate he didn’t earn that physique.

[@kennyhills8002]

Exactly have fun training don't cheat because that's not how you're meant to look. Otherwise we'd all be huge naturally. It takes years not months to naturally get a physique that looks half as good. I don't understand why so many people feel the need to cheat because if you enjoy working out enjoy working out don't take the fun and excitement out of watching your body naturally change from healthy eating and working out.

[@KessuPutte]

@@charlesevanspopeoe worked his ass off for the amazing body he had. No doubt, he put in amazing work and mindset. But please future generations, please please please stay natty. Don't destroy your future or worse, the precious life itself.

[@micdropfroggyface6466]

Sounds pretty lame duck to me. Just more misinformation coming from the drum bangers. There’s OTHER factors in play here. Not saying it didn’t contribute…. Let’s not forget that hundred of thousands of people, that have never touched a steroid in their life, die each year of heart attacks in our country try alone. Alcohol kills millions of people a year all over the world. Bodybuilders are people. People die from all sorts of things. They die every single day. When it’s your time it’s your time and yes making healthy decisions and choices helps your quality of life… let’s chill out on nagging your drum so loud especially when you know practically nothing about PEDs

[@bendixtrinity]

is Jeff natty? genuinely curious because I want to know if his body is achievable being natty and make it my goal.

[@rolandorobles6375]

I cried when Jeff started talking about reasons most of us begin on the training journey

[@georgeboultadakis2215]

Same. Going through one right now

[@coreydw1]

We are definitely many.

[@jimcoady9981]

When he mentioned insecurity about height, I felt personally called out lol. It was spot on.

[@clinicaltranscription1190]

I'm almost 50, and to this day find myself doing a bunch of air squats, calf raises etc before going out in public with shorts, bec as a teenager people called me 'chicken legs' 😂

[@nathaliep8512]

Me too. Fought my own demons from my past, turned it into running, then eventually lifting (which turned into extremes in itself...disordered eating, PED's etc etc). This video is spot on, Jeff.

[@CAHUHE1]

Thank you for standing up for what is right. No one wants to say the truth, this is specially important for teens and young people looking to fill those voids and find a place where they belong. Self acceptance and patience with ourselves it’s paramount when it comes to fitness. I feel terrible for his family. May he rest in peace and his family find strength to face their loss! 😢

[@georgewilkie3580]

Man! Jeff! Without any exaggeration, besides being an oustanding Instructor, you are one awesome Motivator! Your ability to think deeply, and dissect some of the troubling problems that effects we of the Fitness Life Style, and Lifting Community, is tremendousley Helpful. Whether we personally have these problems, or not, your words, you thoughts, and your obvious and sincere, CARING, is a gift to All of us that will never be forgotten. My heartfelt Thank You, Jeff C., for sharing your very acute, highly intelligent, and inspiring message with us. I must also add that you also bore some very real Pain when producing this Video, and for this, once again, you have my sincere Thank You, and my utmost Respect!

[@donnathompson739]

I remember being a newbie at the gym and a group of firefighters helped me, taught me things, and spotted me. They asked nothing in return and I was not only unfit but old enough to be each of their mothers. I’m so grateful they made me feel like I was worth helping.

[@dxpxrtxr]

A group of firefighters helped a Woman lift weights.

[@solslastcannula5665]

They wanted to tail you sorry to break it to you

[@StaalBurgher0]

​@@solslastcannula5665better than being a dick

[@realist8967]

You must still be hot

[@robinservais3881]

She said she was in their mothers' age bracket, not some bimbo. Why jump to the lowest conclusion? Some people are just kind. Especially firefighters ❤

[@noedgetoadream]

This is the best and most honest commentary on the present-day fitness industry and I'd expect nothing less from Jeff Cavalier at ATHLEAN-X. RIP Joe Linder. My deepest condolences to his family and friends.

[@officecomputer8887]

really sad he got peer pressured into taking an unsafe vaccine

[@JaredHettler]

​​@@officecomputer8887unsafe vaccine." Meanwhile across 470 million vaccines less than 0.0001% of people died of anything related to a blood clot. Don't believe everything you see on tiktok lol

[@seanpittaway5341]

22 bodybuilders died last year, they had something else in common other that a vaccine but I'm glad you're using the death of a young man to pis your agenda. That was sarcasm incase you missed it you ignorant scumbag 👍

[@CaptainPIanet]

@@officecomputer8887he got pressured into taking steroids for years. That’s what killed him. Sorry you’re falling for the propaganda :/

[@officecomputer8887]

@@CaptainPIanet cool story fauci !!

[@SultanBenjamin]

7 minutes into this and I’m already in tears. Thank you Jeff for this video, RIP Joe ❤️

[@matthewlevi1508]

Beautifully said. Your words made me tear up and I resonated completely. Thank You for everything. For keeping us healthy and for educating me so many years ago with you r videos and still doing so to this day. You've played a monumental role in my physical and mental health.

[@freddyj5845]

Jeff, I am going through mental issues right now. When you looked at the camera and talked about the inside catching up to your outside made me tear up. Thank you for being there for us!

[@akshayshettigar446]

May you find the strength to not just continue your fitness journey, but be stronger still on the inside to battle and overcome your troubles and achieve what you've set out to achieve mate. Stay strong. We all experience it, no matter who we are.

[@MiguelMedV]

@@akshayshettigar446 Well said. Keep going Freddy, don't forget to sleep well (Early and enough) and eat as much as you need to, specially if you wanna gain mass 😄💪🏼...

[@jeremakela9273]

Heppened to me aswel, but I just tried to fight that aswel. I think I really need to be alone and cry for the first time in yeaaars. I have put all the pain in a ''cage'' and that is not good in long term I guess. Hope you get better!

[@jonw7610]

me too, Freddy

[@anonymousrose8594]

Brother, My dad too went through the same situation…..When my younger brother has born who is 11 years younger to me. My dad was in the psychiatric ward when my mom was in maternity ward for delivery in the same hospital. I do remember visiting dad and mom in different wards in the same hospital and I was around 11 years at that time. One of our family friend took my dad to church prayer fellowships and fasting prayers. Jesus cured my dad and then he worked as a manager in a bigger company and retired 7 years ago and now leading a peaceful life serving Jesus Christ. I don’t know if you would accept what I’m saying but I felt like I should tell you this as I would be the happiest in the whole world if I could be of any help directing you to the right path. May God bless you and cure you. 🙏

[@jumpskirt]

Jeff, you are a real treasure and a bright light in the fitness industry. I am a 63 yr old female who loves fitness, and am not a body builder, per se. I was not aware of Joe until I read about his death today. I am so sorry for his followers and family. You are spot on about the pain that is at the heart of so much of the yearn for appeal. I so appreciate all you do and have done (love the training videos) but this video is the best from you I've ever seen: your honesty, candor and sincerity really touched me deeply. Thank you so much.

[@martinrivera6770]

Jeff, all I have the energy to type at this very somber moment is that your words left an imprint in me that will forever change the trajectory of my health and my flawed approach to fitness. I am 32, I have 3 young children, and they need me around. Thanks Jeff. You may have just saved my life in advance. Only God knows, but I believe He put this video in front of me at the time I needed to hear this most.

[@mattb9371]

Thanks Jeff….social media is the worst thing to happen to young kids, young adults. I tell myself and especially my daughter, that there will always be someone smarter than you, wealthier than you, faster, stronger…you name it….social media is NOT a mirror. I’m 56 yo, and it kills me that so many people focus on what so called influencers say of SM. Put in the work, spend time with your friends and family, stay off your damn phone, go outside for a hike, go to the gym…..well said and much needed video. You are a good man!

[@Psychophski]

Bravo Jeff! You show maturity and emotional intelligence! Very very helpful speech!

[@ezzy0308]

Please define emotional intelligence

[@carykozberg9229]

Gotta agree--a great video. A shame that the lessons you're giving had to be taught at the cost of a life. A very thoughtful, wise presentation....

[@budget.88]

Never forget the USS Liberty and the men who diëd on that day

[@carykozberg9229]

@@budget.88 what does that have to do with this discussion?

[@Astrodicted]

Yeah, except he didnt adress the real elephant in the room. There's proof that it wasnt the peds

[@astrodek2]

Poignant, timely, timeless, empathetic, respectful. Thanks, Jeff. Your eloquence is saving lives.

[@Watchingvids01]

No literally so well done

[@darrelgreene]

He's a true leader, and by example most often... He's done more for me than he'll ever know, and I'm just one of thousands! :)

[@rantanplan6121]

Thank you for those great words and reflective thoughts. Your channel is so much more than fitness... I learned a lot from you and still am. You are one of one as well. Thank you Jeff!

[@chillios2222]

I’m 53, enjoy all your videos, working out keeps me goin, always appreciate your help and guidance

[@Nevz00]

Jeff, the guy who totally deserves all the subscribers and people who follows him. What a guy! What a video. Thanks for the message.

[@ricky5369]

to be honest I thought this video was a bit rushed and didn't have a clear message. He said good things though, I just felt like maybe he wasn't sure what he wanted his main point to be

[@MiguelMedV]

@@ricky5369 Maybe your attention span is too low because of IG and TikTok. He talked about the struggles Joe was going through, the vicious circle of taking PEDs, how it's getting dangerously normalised everyday, why people can't get off of them, etc...

[@MiguelMedV]

@@ricky5369 His main point was how bad the fitness industry is right now that people care about likes, followers and taking the easiest route rather than actual health 👍🏼...

[@ricky5369]

@@MiguelMedV I have a degree in physics and mathematics going for my master's and I don't use social media at all (mostly because I'm shy). He acted like he was talking about stuff without saying the words to be ambiguous. I analyzed it objectively and it didn't explain a main point clearly and concisely. He couldn't stay on topic which is an extremely common writing mistake so I don't understand why it's so unbelievable

[@misterlestari5772]

@@ricky5369 nobody care about your merits bro, I have IQ of -1, even I have the basic decency of having good listening skill. The thing about people is, everyone talk and articulate their word differently and from my basic understanding, his point are clear. No matter what your justification, you just have bad listening skill and maybe thats why you don't have friend. You don't need to be smart to understand what other people say. You just need to be human. That's all. Its ain't that hard. No need all this bla bla degree bla bla master. Just admit you suck and are a bad listener.

[@xxstormbringerxx]

Well said... RIP Joe. So many people needed to hear this message.

[@AliShenas1993]

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[@nirajkshetri364]

I am surprised how genuine and well executed your speech was. Condolences to Joe's family. Everything was spot on, not an ounce in offensive manner. I am a beginner in the gym, people like you and my coach always motivate me to stay natural. Thanks for the video Jeff.

[@nicegoogly]

Some times there are things that we all need to hear. Strong words with compassion. You and your work is appreciated.

[@Nooobody85]

It's so easy to lose sight of what really matters in life. Thanks for being a voice of reason.

[@ohurley11]

Jeff, I think this is the best video you've ever made. There were moments when I wondered if you take or have taken PEDs. Not because your physique isn't attainable naturally, but because it's so much more likely. It's the easier route, that I see almost everyone taking. Everything you said, resonated with me. My story started as a 14yo. My dad, a Kinesiologist, started helping me train in the basement. Bench press, and curls, that was it. Then at 15 I joined a gym. Now looking back, as a 38yo man. Having trained for 24 years. I can look in the mirror and think to myself: "this is me, I did this". Many years ago I competed in 2 bodybuilding shows. I was surrounded by people using steroids, and selling them too. For the untested show, I took clenbuterol for 2 weeks. I dipped my toe in the world of PEDs because the pressure of looking good on stage was huge. In a posing suit in front of all those people. Social media must be horrendous, that small taste was enough for me. I see the people every day. The people who decided to take shortcuts, and stayed on that path. Sometimes it makes me frustrated. They're getting all the attention, all the likes. And here I am, in the trenches for almost a quarter century. Putting in work, and looking exceedingly average by today's standards. Maybe when I'm 70, still kicking butt and looking great, people will start to notice. But it doesn't really matter. None of this was ever for anyone else. It's always been for me. Even this, what I'm writing. This is for me.

[@limitisillusion7]

It's so easy to look at these other people and get desperate to have what they have. I was lucky enough to never get bitten by that bug. There's larger problems at work here than just PEDs. Our insecurities are eating us alive. Maybe we don't get the female attention we see others getting, or we aren't building as much muscle as the people around us. I think the biggest problem is our divergence from natural whole foods and the accompanying effect on our gut microbiome. I'm a vegetarian mostly, and I eat very healthy. I never gained muscle particularly fast either on this diet. 10 years ago in high school, I ate like crap, but I gained muscle much faster. I think it's because my diet was more anabolic then with almost no fiber. To my surprise, my testosterone is pretty high now, and I definitely credit my diet. I also bet that my testosterone was in the dumps 5-10 years ago when my diet was crap. We need to encourage the natural path, and quit getting so distracted by these unnatural shortcuts. TRT is a bandaid for a bad diet. PEDs are worse yet. It's my belief that if your body is prepared for high testosterone, it will make it itself. Low testosterone in a body that doesn't create it naturally is evidence that the body isn't operating correctly. I don't want to pretend I have everything figured out, but diet and how it translates to health is one of the few things I do know well.

[@gfox3695]

Your heart is by far your biggest and strongest muscle Jeff ❤

[@tyson6819]

Joe was just a kid. I'm only 42 but 30 is way too young. Sad. He was a nice guy.

[@BonesofGoldSkateboarding]

Someone had to say it . Respect . RIP 🪦 He will be sadly missed and forever in our hearts

[@ven41618]

Fitness is a means to achieve the end goal of a good quality life. It's not an and shouldn't be an end in itself.

[@tatoo3063]

Same feeling

[@BrawnyNerd]

I respect you even more than I did before this video, Jeff. This is a well thought over and appreciated video you have put together. Unfortunately we live in a world where people are fine with putting their health at risk for the attention of others… We’re lucky to have someone so highly respected with a massive platform who only seeks the best for others, forever a great role model for both young and old.

[@DeNigro52]

Jeff I ABSOLUTELY love listening too you whether it’s about Weight training or your insight on things happening in our life’s. I’m a 52 yr Old battling with diabetes and I am a former cancer survivor. I just let my body go to hell by feeling sorry for myself. Poor dieting to the point of reaching 333 pounds. I have lost over thirty pounds since Christmas of 2023 have totally changed my diet by watching everything I put in my body and a HUGE part of that is because of YOU. So from the bottom of my heart I would like to Thank you.

[@joannwessels980]

At my age, 63 I being from a family of bodybuilders during the late 70's into the 90's I myself doing and traing in early 80's single mother of 5, can understand the loss and effects, this cummunity is feeling in these days. Im still working out and maintain PED free for all these years. Not because I pridefully did so but medical reasons as well as psychological reasons just couldnt go there and I am thankful for that. Who knows maybe I would have tried some. I dont know. Im not above reproach. But to you Jeff this was a blessing and encouraging message hit to the core root for me a reminder of why i choose to keep pushing forward at my age and your straight forwardness was truly inspiring and cleansing. Inspite of such a loss. To Joe Linder's loved ones, my heart is breaking I have felt the loss in the conmuniy with the passing of my oldest brother. Prayers going up for you all!😢

[@arobles62288]

Been following Jeff for years now this is just a constant reminder of why he is one of the best out there he keeps it real!

[@instrumentality42]

I had never heard of Joe Lindner, but your willingness to make this video now means he's had an impact on my life. I'm almost 50 and still trying to outgrow the skinny kid inside of me. Your words reinforce what I've had to keep telling myself: as hard as it is for me to deal with my slow progress in the gym, I'd rather be skinny and natural than take a shortcut that short changes both my drive for self improvement and my quality of life.

[@mr.doctorcaptain1124]

Jeff is NOT natural though…

[@Ebenezer456]

@@mr.doctorcaptain1124 so true. dude's been juicing like a mf

[@jdu2580]

Exactly , al Natural baby Bulgarian body weight squats reverse lunges variety squats incline pushups one arm push ups Hindu pushups, side step arm push ups clapping 👏 pushups variety of pushups

[@amarug]

​@@mr.doctorcaptain1124i think he might be

[@BadassKenway535]

@@mr.doctorcaptain1124 how do you know that?

[@deepapatel192]

My brothers and sisters the world needs you to be healthy and not die too soon. You are loved no matter what happened, get the help you need and start healing inner wounds. Sending lots of love and light.

[@tecontech663]

Oh Jeff, this really hit home this one. I'm not an insta fiend but Joe was different. I agree that 98% of us are here via a similar route, we've been hurt, and we want to show our level of control, commitment and dedication through our bodies.Keep sending your message, it's important mate...

[@Akadehmix]

That's sad he's passed on. I used to watch this dude just cause he was such a charismatic guy, and he was always so positive. My condolences to his family and friends.

[@americasmith6666]

“Never addressing the pain inside” you said it man. I hope those you inspire find a courageous and healthy way to grow.

[@deBRANNETreu]

Great advice for everyone anyone not just users or builders.

[@MrSBVeyron]

So tue, there's a lot of love in this sport. It's an honor to be useful to newbies, helping them with the weights or teaching them what you have been years learning. There's so much love. I need to remember this mmore often.

[@EmGeeee787]

I hope people realise how important this is of yours. Used to watch your videos religiously in 2015/16 when I started out, I'm so glad now I got those foundations so thank you. Really hope people take this on board. Psychological trauma fuels the industry and it's only in recent years I quite realised the extent of it. People will literally come up to me in the gym showing me their injection sites casually. Thank you for using your voice and platform in this manner, its so necessary. And for anyone who feels either upset, defensive, or just low and wants to continuously rely on steroids - I don't know if it would help even ONE person to hear but I promise you there is no better feeling when it comes to ACTUALLY combatting your psychological shit. Grab onto building true resilience, people. That's what health is - that's what fitness should be. Wishing you all the best out there, guys

[@s.wilson5675]

Saying it from the heart Jeff, no one can ever fault you. I've never heard of Joe but peace and love to his family.

[@user-gq7kw1rr8j]

Jeff's heart and kindness are so pure! There is no reading off a script or screen. He talks from his soul. He does feel for Joe and for everybody else. I've known that Mr. Cavaliere is a very big man for years so but this even tops it - Hats off!

[@matthewclark7952]

Well said and it needed to be said too. Thank you for doing this. Peace, love and respect 🙏🏻💫✨

[@thorikstoneshield3716]

Hi Jeff, thanks for this video, it's helpful, and everything is true, when I went in a gym for the first time, aeons ago, I was worried about what I could have found, but everyone were kind, and always willing to help you, and then I became one of them, part of the community, willing to help, and always finding someone who helps me, it's a small thing but makes me feel better, even if I'm an old out of shape man, trying to regain my strenght after a bad shoulders injury, step by step, one kg after the other, but always clean

[@kargonfow5563]

Doing unnatural things to get unhealthy muscles is a huge mistake against your life and we should all remember that taking care of our bodies in a natural way is the most important thing to live a healthy life style. Thanks Jeff for your useful videos and I appreciate your honesty .

[@yuridanylko]

Man Jeff, this thing you were talking about with pressure really opened my eyes. Not just in the fitness world, but many things I notice in my life and with close friends. Even without comparing ourselves to others, I can't always say I have put my health first in my effort to work as hard as I can. I think we could really all benefit by taking a step back and saying: "Why am I so motivated to do this?". I don't really follow any other people online in the fitness world, but the way you brought this message across makes me feel like you are a special person. Thank you for this video and so many others over the past 6 years I have followed your channel. You have always motivated me to push hard and do it naturally while watching out for injuries. Respect.

[@ronnieharris2708]

Need more people like you out there that are just honest and open with people about this topic. This could save a lot of people’s life’s

[@SM-qb7ce]

Some people needed to hear this. Thank you for your helpful words!💕🙏💕

[@georgecuzzocrea7468]

Well spoken Jeff! Always sad when someone leaves our community! Condolences to his family!

[@shellylinnn]

What a nice tribute to Joe's passing in this video. I feel for his loved ones who are missing him from their lives now. Its definitely makes us stop for some reflection. I appreciate you Jeff for being an ethical and conscious of life kind of guy. You're the respectable kind I like to follow. Please keep up the good natured times in your videos that we learn from you like a sort of mentor.

[@CatalinPrata]

World needs more people like you and speeches like this!

[@swinglow6580]

Beautiful and well said. Out of all the videos I think this one is the truly the one that sets the highest and best bar for remembering Joe

[@sweener88]

One of the most important videos you’ve ever made and that’s saying something based on your incredible content over the years. Thank you and cheers from Australia 🇦🇺

[@jimmyx44]

I did not know Joe Lindner or even heard of him, but it is sad to hear someone passess so unexpectedly at such a young age. RIP.

[@timobrien2068]

It’s great to hear you say this. It’s important for everyone to take this seriously. I had been considering looking at some enhancement recently but now I’m thinking twice plus my progress is going in the right direction for the last few years. . I mean it’s a marathon not a sprint. To the people making the negative comments who probably don’t even train themselves or couldn’t conceive where to start so they must need to put others down to mask their own inadequacies or whatever issues they have in their own lives in my opinion anyway.

[@improveu7340]

Deep respect for making this video and speaking about the things you did. I agree with a lot of your viewpoints on the better reasons to train and increase your levels of fitness. I respect your desire to share your thoughts on how to reflect upon and use a situation like this to change people's minds for the better, thus moving people and communities in a better, more positive direction for years and decades to come. My condolences and heart goes out to Joe's family, friends, and everyone else who is impacted by his passing.

[@SamMansellTraining]

Wonderful video that hit hard and brought up some personal struggle. I'm one of those people who had serious MH issues and found the gym as an escape. Still do. The gym is my sanctuary. When I felt powerless and had no strength, confidence or control in my life, the weights saved me. The physical pain became addictive because it blocked the mental pain. Each rep felt like progress and each kg felt like I was getting stronger and moving away from the person I hated. Jeff is so articulate and respectful to the subject of PED use and the dangers that come with it. The message here is so important. Everyone should watch this video. Rest in Peace Joe 🙏

[@hardmtnbiker]

Love, love,love what you said. As a lifelong lifter and admirer of bodybuilders that I’ve been around my entire life. As an RN that has been a case manager to numerous people who have chronic illnesses, it is important that people understand what you are saying. Thank you! God bless Joe’s family and friends, he was truly a blessing to this world.

[@BC09a1]

Great video Jeff. I think we ALL as humans are going through something, regardless of what it is. Unfortunately, many of us "escape" in unhealthy ways. I believe it is just malfunctioning in our brains that ties deep beyond even our own conscience. We all NEED to express a little more love for ourselves and other people. That is what life is about....

[@muhnaymetwevah]

Such an empathetic, vulnerable and educational video. I'm really happy I found your channel dude.

[@alexable2425]

i've been following you for idk maybe 10y now. Wise words, the respect you show and the kindness in your words means alot. Thanks Jeff for being a down to earth person in this industry.

[@caterinacarrassi6651]

Sei un punto di riferimento mondiale. La tua esperienza, moderazione, saggezza fanno davvero la differenza. Grazie per aver condiviso con noi i tuoi pensieri, per guidarci ogni giorno. Allenamento e salute. That's it. Thank you Jeff

[@sacchettimd]

Amazingly direct delivery on a tough topic. Jeff, your insight on JL's death and the unfortunate normalization of PED is spot on. Let's learn from this. I feel the same about the widespread use of GLP receptor agonists to induce rapid weight loss. There's often a price to pay for short cuts.

[@BIGPAPAPUMP84]

As a fellow trainer for close to two decades now, I’ve always advocated against any form of PED use and like yourself and many others I started training as a kid for the exact reasons you mentioned.I feel this is one of the most impactful videos you’ve made thus far and I find the normalisation of steroid use extremely saddening.You say it right when you speak about social media having changed everything in this industry.I hope this video will impact the people who need to hear these things the most.

[@patrickhallermann3844]

Than you, Jeff. An amazingly positive message during this tragic time. Hopefully, thanks to leadership like yours, we can see a decrease of these all-too-common tragedies.

[@SyedAli-cy4er]

5 years ago when I began lifting, you Jeff were the go to man. I've watched less of your stuff since but this video feels like a nice full circle since these reasons, that internal struggle and pain are the reasons I started and still go to the gym. Hearing this from you made me hella emotional damn haha. ty for the response vid g.

[@addisonhersom8210]

Man I just did the same exact full circle as you

[@amahana6188]

You sir have earned my subscription. You are clearly a compassionate human being and your comments are dearly needed into today’s social media obsessed world.

[@thejuggernaut8516]

Well said Jeff......I'm at the gym and every word made me feel at every rep of why I started to be a part of this community. This message needs to spread

[@koopdog25]

Wonderful, challenging post. As a sports psych, exercise physiologist who has lifted for 40 years, i have been able to participate in and help some with these exact struggles. This culture needs adressing like most cultures and champions like yourself play a big part in this process. Thank you!

[@ericyong6882]

Well said Jeff. Those who are going through tough times especially in our head need to listen to this.

[@pinchoothoudam7875]

Spot on Jeff. Nothing but utmost love & respect for speaking out the truth that has been plaguing the Fitness Industry. This is a wake up call for all. My prayers go out to Joe's family. May his soul rest in eternal peace 🙏

[@CatchingDinosaurs]

My respect for you grew during this video. Your a good dude.

[@mandi280]

You're an amazing communicator and very aware of one of the possible mental aspects behind being fit focused. Great speaker. RIP Joe.

[@allinyapik3792]

Thank you Jeff for your heartfelt words and this courageous message that you took upon yourself to deliver for the well-being of this community. Not the virtual one but the real tribes that go around the globe; men and women supporting each other through workouts to build up defenses as you said. A training partner of mine passed away not too long ago and of course, the most probable cause lies within the scope of what you just said. His name was Fredy Rosales and he was a fine man, a fine father, a fine person. He was my friend. Fredy was my brother. We had been training since year 2009 doing functional workouts and having fun with some experimental routines. There never seemed to be a reason to stop. We would always find something inventive. I miss him. My workout needs redirection now. Quite often we would view your videos seeking ongoing improvements. I just want to say that leaders like you can help redirect this industry towards a healthier practice.

[@lllOoOll0o0llOoOlll]

I just want to say I am beyond grateful for your role in all of our lives Jeff, you are one of a kind and very special.

[@travisoneal3294]

You were one of the first channels I followed when I started my fitness journey. I appreciated that you were a real person above all. If I go to someone's channel and see them with a bodybuilder level physique... then I immediately move on. I want to be healthy and feel good in my own skin. I feel so bad for the youth coming up in today's society that see these men on steroids as their idols. It's an epidemic.

[@dianadambrosio1]

I am in tears listening to this ..Jeff this is one of the greatest videos in the industry I have watched. So very Grateful for you and your intelligence , empathy , inspiration and passion…❤

[@chrissartorio7026]

Thank you Jeff for addressing this topic in the sincere manner that you do. You have always impressed me as the trainer I will always follow because you do not and never have taken a short cut. You are my mentor because you keep it real.

[@aliyounis5324]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I know it came from heart

[@kevinclapson]

Stuff like this is why you're often my go-to. It's about health, confidence, stability, sustainability, and ultimately positive lifestyle changes. The inherent narcissism of gym and influencer culture is so damaging, and listening to guys give Ted talks about efficient PED use is bordering on disgusting. Thanks for all you do.