Joe Rogan - Big John McCarthy Explains 12-6 Elbow Rule

[@ianbatista631]

Man I could listen to Big John just explaining MMA shit for hours...

[@will1867]

Paul Rogers you know you wouldn't be able too last 5 minutes

[@stevenjimenez6977]

Apply cold water to burned area.🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Em4gdn1m]

Ian Batista Gross

[@wjl3291]

5 mins? Shit, the merest thought of a actual real life female touching his leg would cause this Paul Rogers kid to blow his itty bitty tiny little load in his Spiderman tighty whities 😂

[@theperson8275]

wjl32 good descriptive writing.

[@jasoncampbell3955]

Props for John McCarthy, very cerebral and professional to the core. The sport of MMA would be nothing without his professionalism and near-perfect reffing,

[@greggyk1]

Jason Campbell exactly. I've seen refs that couldn't walk and chew gum at the same time

[@lalaru1372]

Well said my friend, well said

[@buckelupyt]

I know I’m gay when I say this but Lame ass

[@dean529]

@Tekagi John talks about it in his book about how he was actually wanting to compete in UFC since he was part of the Gracie school but the Gracies talked him out of it and put him as the referee. As far as MMA goes the man is on the Mount Rushmore, is arguably the biggest contributor to MMA and undoubtedly at the fore front back then of legitimizing MMA as a sport instead of human cockfighting.

[@JoshdaKnight]

Who doesn’t want to hear “ARE YOU READY??? AND ARE YOU READY??? ALRIGHT LETS GET IT ON!” And a big ass clap. He was the first guy from UFC who I’d pretend to be when I was a kid.

[@windywindmill98]

God bless John McCarthy for everything he's done for MMA through the years. A true legend.

[@ChengMcGoldstein]

There is no god. Please don't be ridiculous.

[@xxkillingwavexxswag9355]

200th like

[@ojsj6266]

Frank N. Stein I can tell you’re the type of person to call the police on a 6 year old selling lemonade outside his house.

[@cinemarat1834]

@@ChengMcGoldstein God bless is just an expression, why are u triggered?

[@nicholasnixon1311]

Hall of famer

[@fvgc454ss]

No downward elbows but full sprint flying knees to the face are #supernecessary 🍗🍗🍗🥤

[@tommyrp14tp]

Yeah ask Ben Askren about that😂😂😂

[@arandompersonlol9515]

you're dumb

[@Fvneral_moon]

a random person lol no u

[@samuelperez2208]

super necessary

Super necessary 😂

[@makkam999]

i like how he real smoothly talked about himself in the 3rd person

[@Jamusictv]

haha glad you saw that as well. lol

[@ZHGAmingAllTheWay]

Lol thought I was the only one

[@starbwoy]

Yo! I thought I was the only one who caught that. Hahahah.

[@deelanders6132]

Macho Man would be impressed. Ooh yea

[@tonyk7387]

😂😂😂

[@E-A-Z-Y]

Love Big John, such a legend.

[@Horzzo]

The guy looks the same as he did 20 years ago.

[@supermanguy1214]

AGREED 110%

[@quantumblurrr]

BOW YA SHITS Lol he’s a fucking ref dude calm down, or do you just worship everyone you’re told to

[@E-A-Z-Y]

Barry Shitpeas tf? Go back under whatever rock you came from.

[@MsTycus]

Whineeee!!!

[@ryansaguros2522]

Herb "6-12 clock on the ceiling" Dean

[@tritonneptune3834]

Lol, Herb "ceiling clock" Dean

[@missionpupa]

6-12 on the fuckin ceiling. Herb is a comedian.

[@666ingz]

It's 12-6 but I get you.

[@missionpupa]

@@666ingz thats an uppercut lol

[@666ingz]

@@missionpupa 😂

[@carsmartsmedia2324]

Has John written a book? He could. He's seen a lot.

[@TheTails63]

He should,call it "My memories as a UFC referee".

[@dylanzrim1011]

Google it

[@Awesomemt2018]

CarSmartsTV “look into it”

[@malcolmsoh5648]

He did. It was released on September 1, 2011, autoobiography titled "Let's Get It On - The Making of MMA and its Ultimate Referee."

[@Vincent-fb1yj]

It's a good idea but I think it would be a greater book after he retires and can write on all the different experiences with all the companies he's been associated with.

[@flucazade]

So the 12-6 elbow is legal if you use a digital clock then?

[@jakaan2014]

yousaidwinglikeabirdswing lmao

[@GokuInfintysaiyan]

YOUD HAVE TO DRAW OUT THE NUMBER 🤣

[@mikesemon7392]

yousaidwinglikeabirdswing classic. Mike Jackson used it on CM PUNK.

[@superfly19751]

Lol haha

[@rrrockhard]

yousaidwinglikeabirdswing Well thats a good point... They should ban fighters for looking at the big screen just because of this!

[@bear08repit]

Joe is really perfecting the owen wilson "wow" in this podcast

[@karimshebeika8010]

I only know it from legends

[@rashaanboone9409]

Bruh was Owen Wilson saying that a lot in Wedding Crashers? Or am I tripping lol

[@jamiewilliams4003]

I heard a wow the second I read this comment 😂

[@062_rohansinghkarki3]

Ollie

[@babyfriends615]

RaShaan Boone he says it in every fuckin movie lol its an art

[@craftistic82]

ARE YOU READY 👉 👈 ARE YOU READY 👏LET'S GET IT ON

[@THAToneGUY594]

Fine, take your like.

[@matthewward5849]

You forgot the “come on!”

[@JoshdaKnight]

‘Nuff said.

[@briobrio6047]

Herb “ 12-6 on the ceiling” Dean John:Herb when have u seen a clock on the ceiling 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@jeremyvaca612]

Bro I was crying 😂😂😂

[@thesmithersy]

Herb "Ceiling Clock" Dean

[@kaz1073]

Damn he looks like a batman ben affleck

[@jeremydisbrow9814]

Merman fuck yeah he does, although big John would fuck him up. Hahahahaha

[@smokem3654]

Merman thats wat i thought n clicked. better its john interesting hear from a pov with his thoughts he seen lots of fights. mma intellect beyond genius lvl. jmo i agree ur comment

[@gtjoshua]

I’m goin’ beefed up Adam Sandler Lol

[@williamhemming8228]

Lol. He totally does

[@blackdaripper]

Good shout bro

[@nyteowl8069]

He Looks like Tommy Dreamer lol

[@superfly19751]

AlphaReacts I thought I was first then I found your comment when scrolled down lol

[@johnfalcetta5431]

AlphaReacts holy shit great call

[@CFFG1776]

Get a chair

[@syndropshot5932]

Tommy dreamer looks like him... lol get that right

[@JaculaDudek]

Big John ain't a whale XD

[@malachiprater1072]

Big John is like a vault of MMA and combats sports knowledge in general him and Herb Dean are two of the best refs in MMA

[@LliamSangiorgio19]

Herb? Really?

[@JM-dy4ty]

Lliam Sangiorgio Yes. Really.

[@LliamSangiorgio19]

@@JM-dy4ty No one was talking to you, but Herb Dean is hardly a shining example of a good referee

[@JM-dy4ty]

Lliam Sangiorgio he wasn’t talking to you either.

[@MoralesCorner]

​@@JM-dy4ty man said no one was talking to you as if this is not a public forum ☠️

[@jrozay3788]

Didn’t know Big John was so involved in the evolution of MMA. He knows his shit!

[@LUckybones25]

I didnt either.

[@gollese]

He's been there from beginning so. :>

[@djLagwayEnjoyer]

He reffed UFC 1. The man knows his shit

[@jacidstorm2592]

@@djLagwayEnjoyer he started at 2

[@richardjones1988]

@@jacidstorm2592 he started halfway through 1. A ref stopped a fight and back then they couldn't so they threw the ref out and sent Big John in.

[@Alchemistic88]

"I was going for 11:58 to 6:01 though..."

[@BirdTube83]

I loved you in the accountant

[@BirdTube83]

Drip Droppity kinda looks like him

[@takoma808]

Affleck was the bomb in Phantoms, yo.

[@klassicAG]

Yo this leaned me 😂😂😂

[@frequentclearance9641]

I thought it was Affleck from the thumbnail

[@ThePerpetualStudent]

LMFAO

[@joehernandez9563]

This is one of the people most will never hear about but has done huge things. He basically wrote, and is still writing the rules for modern MMA.

[@triggatra2716]

Maybe it’s just me , but Herb’s logic about the clock wasn’t farfetched ..

[@jae9843]

Thought the same exact thing. It's because the 12-6 rule itself is stupid.

[@John5.56]

If you're on your back, you are swinging your elbow up, not down. Its that simple

[@markmartin8400]

@@John5.56 but the rule doesnt state the perspective of the clock so both arguments are valid the rule is dumb

[@John5.56]

@@markmartin8400 mate the saying 12oclock literally means straight up for a reason lmao?

[@markmartin8400]

@@John5.56 ok nvm your just to stupid to comprehend what im saying what constitutes up and down? Perspective up and down isnt a thing without perspective someone laying downs up and down is different then someones thats standing up and someone's up and down in china is polar oppisites then someones in the u.s. and thats the argument neither one is wrong and thats why its stupid to argue about it the rules just dumb

[@kallepikku4991]

This discussion is severely underrated. We need more knowledgeable proponents like this to pull for the sport.

[@SpookyGhostLad]

I just love this "first name" insert quote ironically "last name" joke

[@samcooke343]

John 'LOOKIT' McCarthy.

[@lazarogmz]

Sam Cooke lmao right when i read this he said it😂😂

[@awesom-o741]

I say lookit too

[@mikesemon7392]

Chartered I say that. Is big John McCarthy from the midwest?

[@Chachtel31]

I was gonna post the same thing

[@modest1989]

I scrolled down just to find this comment haha

[@JoeMaxFpv]

Glad to have some new content. This podcast is my primary evening entertainment. Love it.

[@arabwolf313]

Aint that the truth lol

[@albertozepeda1939]

I think Herb Dean's explanation of why he said the 12-6 elbow is illegal from the guard, just goes to show how great of a referee he is. Thinking outside of the box and enforcing the rules from all angles. It's still a 12-6 elbow if you do think about it. A weak one, but technically still one.

[@bestieswithtesties]

Yeah he was definitely in the right about that unlike Big John. 12-6 is pretty self explanatory it means straight up and down in relevance to YOU. If you're on your back lifting your hand above your head and then right back down in the opposite direction that is still straight up and down for you. It is the same motion with the same effect. Hence, illegal whether standing or not.

[@Nightowl333]

Yes! After hearing that, I was kinda like dang, Herb is a smart dude.

[@forwardmoving8252]

No it isn't still a 12-6 elbow because as john already established in this video you clown, the nut job who insisted on the rule being made specified that it's only illegal if thrown from the ceiling to the floor.

[@forwardmoving8252]

@@bestieswithtesties You have a mental shortcoming for sure lol. If the rule was made for a silly reason by a guy who knows nothing about fighting and JOHN was the one present at the meeting who confirmed that they only had to make it illegal should it be thrown from the ceiling to the floor, then how is he wrong about it you clown? It's a garbage rule either way and you prefer herb dean's method of needlessly expanding the rule to mean something it didn't originally mean? Watch the video again and pay attention this time

[@Liam.2000]

It’s also illogical though and you explained why when you said ‘a weak one’. The whole reason the rule was enforced was because of the power it generates. It’s significantly weaker from the bottom position so why should that be illegal. Tbh the whole 12-6 rule is illogical when compared to flying knees and spinning kicks.

[@undefeatedandundisputedcha3773]

Joe “They used to break bricks with it on ESPN” Rogan

[@lucidlagomorph5809]

got to ask - where did the Rogan meme's come from?

[@DTS_I]

Lucid Lagomorph from his podcast lmao.

[@notshakinstevens]

John McCarthy adds a lot of legitimacy to MMA. Well-spoken, very experienced, fair/balanced and thinks things through. One of the biggest assets of the UFC. He's a legend.

[@TheLockon00]

I had read once that the concern with the "12-6" was more about the likelihood of the point of the elbow hitting the opponent's eye socket, such as a fighter with mount dropping them straight down to the face of the person underneath.

[@jamoflys]

Uriah Hall's spinning back kick was the hardest I ever saw someone get hit, super legal

[@qEnergize]

J Hall I cringe every time I see one land... surprised it hasn’t killed anyone in the UFC yet 👀

[@CavemanJesus4Life]

Cung Le in Strikeforce, some of his spinning back kicks hurt a lot of people

[@oostanyogul149]

yeah, but a spinning back kick to the face is really difficult to pull off

[@Ason.Unique]

Edson Barboza flying knee was super nasty aswell

[@bedp]

Same, to this day its the most brutal KO I've seen. I think alot of it has to do with the sound. Since there's no crowd you can hear the full impact and the worst part imo is hearing the guy gasping for air unconscious and contorted as fuck.

[@imreadydoctor]

While I think the 12-6 elbow should be legalized, I am reminded of an early UFC match where a guy had his opponent in a crucifix and just dropped repeat 12-6s into the other dude's temple. One of the most brutal KOs I've seen.

[@lemon-james]

The elbow is dangerous not because of the power it generates, it’s the fact that it’s a thick pointy bone going straight to your face. Imagine your on the ground and someone throws a 12 to 6 right to your eye socket sure there are other techniques that generate much more power but the 12-6 has the potential to do career ending damage

[@james6247]

Exactly, pretty much the same as dropping a hammer dead on your skull from like a 3 metre height. The swiping type motion is far safer and still gets the “job done”

[@godmode4790]

Conor would kill Khabitch in a street fight,cause 12 to 6 or straight elbows are not restricted in a street fight.

[@godmode4790]

That’s why Khabitch didn’t came outside that bus.Cause Conor would have killed khabitch. Remember 12 to 6 or straight elbows are not restricted in a street fight.

[@YannickMMA]

Jones vs hamill

[@advantegouesselfdevelopmen3854]

I am only watching this through short clips but this guy is making me want to watch the whole thing.

[@hoodoooperator.5197]

What always bugs me about the conversation around elbows is that it ignores the increased pressure applied by using a smaller surface area. Applied pressure is what causes structural damage to objects, it's the reason you can break the skin with just a gentle poke of a small needle, but not necessarily with a powerful punch. I'd argue there's a higher chance of severe cranial damage using a 12-6 elbow than any other angle, precisely because it allows you to increase the force of the strike (putting the entire mass of your torso into the strike), while dealing the damage through a very small surface area (Pressure = Force/Area). A smaller surface area results in a greater pressure, assuming the same force. A little bit of physics understanding goes a long way.

[@pilot.wav_theory]

you can put your entire bodyweight into regular elbow strikes tho too. with gravity. like sitting on your punches but with elbows. you can absolutely throw your entire weight into a hook elbow. and that angle can hit the temple which is one of the weaest parts of the cranium

[@zebraneighbor6383]

Applied pressure is also why punching someone with brass knuckles is so much worse than with a bare fist. It's not because the metal is harder than your hand, but rather because it concentrates the force of the punch to a much smaller surface area.

[@lilboydafriend]

verbose way of saying "I don't know how to fight"

[@kristosmarturos4970]

not if your clock is on a ceiling though

[@mechadonia]

This is nonsense because regular elbow strikes are allowed and you can throw a regular elbow w the weight of the whole torso behind it just as easily. If I am on top of an opponent w ground n pound I throw an elbow 12-6 vs at an angle i can still throw my whole weight behind the strike and still have the assistance of gravity as well so the gravity stuff is also nonsense (just want to bring that up before another dingus mentions it). In fact when you throw an elbow at an angle you’re twisting your body across and using your obliques more which allows you to generate a ton of power, I would not be surprised if regular elbows are more powerful that 12-6 ones

[@thebee9907]

The real undefeated champ right here. Mans a walking MMA encyclopedia.

[@donholbrook5385]

Always liked John McCarthy I never realized how smart he is I heard he can whip some ass too

[@aplus1080]

Don Holbrook he was actually going to compete in the first or second ufc. He was a student of rorion's, if I remember right. He's the dude who scared the f out of art jimmerson before his fight with Royce - and hence why he tapped with no strikes thrown.

[@Rocket4ce]

I think he used to train LA SWAT. Before the first UFC.

[@tylersims2927]

I was up late and even my friend who knows close to nothing in mma started talking about this and discussing it and such. I like this topic and others like it because it opens people up to discussion and learning. Keep doing these topics and everything else! You're great

[@ringheader]

Holy crap! I had no idea just how pivotal UFC refs were behind the scenes. Much fuking respect.

[@tylermonson7641]

What about the spinning elbow? With all that momentum it definitely has more power than 12 to 6

[@callanc3925]

yeah but you cant exactly unload those super rapidly like you can with 12-6s

[@Montanajj]

@@callanc3925 💯

[@tamo9659]

@@callanc3925 That would look fun af. Remember beyblades?😂😂😂 I just imagine Jon Jones doing Ballett like Pirouettes, smashing his elbow into somebody’s face lol

[@Alvah707]

@@callanc3925 but a 12-5 is allowed though and it does the same thing. 12-6 is just a dumb rule either take out elbows of that 12-6ish type or allow 12-6

[@callanc3925]

@@Alvah707 Physically they dont do the same thing, they are similar. But refs need to have clear rules on whats allowed and what isnt otherwise there would be a controversy every fight. 12-6 are easy to judge because the ref just needs to watch for a straight up and down line. 12-5 are hard to identify properly because a ref needs a mental protractor to tell if theyre at the right angle to be legal

[@codyw6248]

Lol I just noticed big John wearing a Bellator shirt

[@viewlesscheese]

Smart guy big John. Very eloquent and articulate, no er's, no um's or pauses. Easy to understand. I would love to talk like that in just everyday conversation and here he is on a live podcast talking and explaining stuff to the masses.

[@jonathan2847]

Literally every arm technique is nothing compared to most kicks.

[@Kennypowers51]

Jonathan Woollett-Light ya right dude, gimme nate diaz powerful arm punches over Cro Cop kicks any day.

[@nathanjohnson7419]

But if u get hit with a kick it's your own fault

[@nathanjohnson7419]

In the head I mean

[@nathanjohnson7419]

Jason Bliss yah and there's a reason u can't use kicks to someone with a hand on the ground

[@nathanjohnson7419]

Jason Bliss when's the last time u landed an execution style kick to the head? Probably never cause it's really fucking hard, even harder so against a trained fighter. Doesn't matter how trained u are, if u can barely move and someone smashing your orbital from above

[@kennethalbert4653]

Big John is the man! 2:45 CD ROM... made on the computer... How high is Rogan LOL

[@blakesimmons5130]

I love how he's basically just admitting "these clowns wanted to introduce dumb rules, so I played their game and made them dumber." Legend

[@MoralesCorner]

How is he saying that ?

[@eddhardcore6881]

“When the fuck you seen a clock on the ceiling?!” That line killed me

[@anthonypatterson5061]

big john might low key be one of the most important people in MMA history easily

[@frequentsee3815]

John McCarthy is a very well-spoken person. Someone get this dude a show!

[@Lambotino]

Hes commentating for bellator now if that counts

[@ivanbunting5448]

You should have had Jones on here to explain the 12/6 elbows

[@chrissteer3733]

When he talked about the video they watched to ban 12 to 6 elbows there was a massive difference in size of the fighters.

[@frankjaeger1711]

Big John needs to be a voice actor

[@jamesroy6242]

this was very informative. would love to hear more podcasts like this

[@docrock6276]

The ending to this video seemed like an early stoppage

[@Rammsteinfanboy2]

In this podcast Big John admits to telling the Fertitta brothers that paying fighters $1 million plus was a bad idea. He planted the seed that led to fighter pay issues that we currently hear about today. The fact he hasn't been called out on this is mind boggling.

[@ericmayo9415]

Big John is the best ref that ever reffed. Keep it up big man. Don't need to lose you

[@daraghnolan4356]

"HERB, WHEN IN THE FUCK HAVE YOU SEEN A CLOCK ON A CEILING" Hahahaha fucking dying at that

[@omarmagdy4179]

I guess that 12 to 6 elbow is bad as it will mainly target the fragile areas like the back and top of the head and the spine

[@bighands69]

An over hand right could just as easily land in the same area or a spinning elbow could do the same.

[@omarmagdy4179]

bighands69 but they dont happen as common ..

[@AR-rk9nn]

Omar Magdy correct

[@nng1979]

I remember a 300+ lbs Gary Goodridge used a volley of rapid 🔥 12-6 elbows on middleweight Paul Herrera while he had him crucifixed. It was insanely cool to watch but at the same time brutal as hell. He was literally knocked senseless and ultimately TKOed

[@josephnestor7472]

Not to mention the impact being magnified because your head is normally pinned to the ground if you are on the receiving end of and absorbing most of the impact. Kinda like the impact of a punch being much greater if the opponent is moving toward the striker than away. Makes total sense why it is illegal.

[@Bilal-kb9yy]

The amount of times Big John says "i go" or "he goes" between 8:42 and 9:10 is absolutely mind boggling !

[@jmoneyentertainment]

Dam that was a technical discussion😱😱 John is a fountain of knowledge

[@Yuhsir2099]

I know I’m so late on this clip but his memory of each fight and what fight is related to the rule is incredible to me.

[@catalan500_8]

Love big John, by far my most favorite ref in ANY sport

[@mrbeard3150]

This guy needs to write a book. He had a front row seat to the beginning of a sport.

[@culleno872]

mr beard I’m recently getting into the UFC and MMA as a whole and these two alone have given me an insane amount of information, glad I found them both! A book would be super beneficial to new fighters and fans alike

[@mrbeard3150]

It's not everyday that a new sport is created he should probably preserve his account for history n stuff. Think of all gladiators of Rome . They're story's are still alive in movies to this day. Who's gonna play big john in the movie lol. ......wait why isn't there a movie about the beginning of mma yet lol

[@StarekS]

Herb Dean shit was hillarious :D Yet, I think he have a point. Your body position changes horizontally when you are on the ground, so you literally just doing same elbow just from different position horizontally.

[@supernothing77]

never imagined this guy would be so well spoken and intelligent. seems like a cool bloke

[@kingleunitas5920]

John is so knowledgeable in the fight game!

[@FierceDeityRick]

I totally understand why it's illegal cause I jumped to get a basketball and landed on a significantly bigger dudes head with my elbow once, he was out cold...

[@jordanwoodbridge9914]

FierceDeityRick jump up and land on a guys head in mma, i dare you to try it..

[@FierceDeityRick]

Is the guy I'm doing this to a MMA fighter?

[@jordanwoodbridge9914]

FierceDeityRick and that changes what?😂

[@FierceDeityRick]

The whole thing I was talking about was an accident btw lol not bragging...but in response to "and that changes what?" is everything I would rather fight a non trained fighter then a trained one lol deerrrr..

[@jordanwoodbridge9914]

I'm saying you wouldn't be able to jump up in the air and land an elbow on someone's head in a fight, so your comment is irrelevant 😂

[@brknspacebar]

I still remember big john reffing the very first ufc events sporting the sick jogging pants and bobcat arms, living legend

[@TIKOMIX]

I agree with Herbs interpretation. The 12-6 elbow should be relative to the fighters position not the ground plane. Leaning your torso forward 5 degrees makes the same strike legal. Gonna have referees carrying protractors and Flava Flav clocks on their necks.

[@jddye9652]

Would like to see more clips like this. Great explanation.

[@andrewbehrman7309]

I was under the impression that the 12-6 elbow was illegal only on the mat. The rule would make sense to me mostly because if a fighter has their head resting on the mat and it is struck directly towards the mat there would be a lot more energy staying where you're striking. (Didn't say that quite as well as I could have)... Example: You have a hammer and nail. You hit the nail on the head with the spike in mid air with the hammer. There's barely any damage to the nail. You hit the nail on the head with the spike on wood. There's barely damage to the nail, but more than in mid air. You hit the nail on the head with the spike on concrete. There's a lot of damage to the nail, but more than against the wood.

[@uafc1]

Makes no sense. Ban kicks if you are afraid of energy. Much more powerful and devastating

[@Snapple1515]

"Herb when in the fuck have you ever seen a clock on the ceiling?" LMAO

[@dave4789]

When did Tommy Dreamer become a ref

[@sfprivateer]

Herb! WHEN IN THE FUCK HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A CLOCK IN THE CEILING??!?! I laughed in tears :D

[@xlasered120]

The elbows on the floor remind me of Conor vs Mendez and how herb told Mendez the elbows are legal

[@ItzBundz]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking of too😂

[@ebd8733]

He talks about it with such passion, it shows how much he cares for the sport and loves it.

[@TheNervousnation]

TIL Herb Dean has seen a clock on a ceiling.

[@dusktilldawn888]

He is such a top-notch guy and just an encyclopedia of the sport. You should have him on as much as possible.

[@raydudgeon3489]

to me the elbow is always more about getting cut and tore up. they make the fight a bloody mess more than any other strike.

[@LastZepp1]

Tell that to the knee strikes

[@jamiemcmahon7707]

"Herb when the fuck have you ever seen a clock on the ceiling" hahahah 😂

[@unclephill4764]

I think its more of a striking the top of the head issue. Shouldnt be able to hit the top or back of the head.

[@billybadass8242]

Phillip Gratton the top of your head is the hardest part of your skull man, I've broken my knuckle on my brothers head a couple times sparring lightly.

[@unclephill4764]

Lambroghini Mercy its not about hardness, its about spinal compression.

[@WAzzzUUppp]

Phillip Gratton well you ain’t allowed to hit the back of the head anyway, that’s illegal. And most of the time a 12-6 elbow will only come into play from the top mount, so most of the time the strike will hit the four head and face and maybe the top of the skull, and as John said 1-7 is legal 11-5 legal and it’s hardly much of a difference. It’s just stupid politics nothing more and nothing else.

[@nathanjohnson7419]

Phillip Gratton it's a smashing the top of the head whilst propped against the ground issue that is dangerous, as well as they can't defend themselves well when mounted

[@FLMKane]

Then why is an axe kick legal?

[@pedroflores6974]

“Herb, when in the fuck have you seen a clock on the ceiling”😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ccccchhhhh]

*Big John “Lookit” McCarthy* *what a swell guy*

[@MrDoctor...]

when tf have you seen a clock on the ceiling hahahahaha... sick in bed and that really cheered me up

[@BernardoWLopes]

They are forgetting one thing though... *PRESSURE*. Pressure is the difference between breaking a bone upon impact, be that a skull upon an elbow. And a 12-6 makes it very easy to hit directly with a smaller surface area, even when compared to diagonal, upwards and side elbows. In terms of force, a 12-6, between too identically weighed opponents, might not involve as much force or power as a kick or a knee. But it can deliver more pressure. A 12-6 elbow can also hit with relatively high amounts of force when compared with other elbows, given as it's powered by different muscle groups, specifically the lats, while also being powered by gravity. When compared with other strikes (punches, knees, kicks) an elbow can deliver a lot more pressure, since it makes contact with a much smaller surface area. And pressure makes the difference between breaking a bony surface or not or piercing the flesh or not piercing, as elbows themselves have already showed to cut extensively. So we can understand that a 12-6 elbow might be the strongest elbow, and that elbows in general will already translate to larger amounts of pressure. 1- It's the same reason as to why you can lie down on a bed of nails: the force of your body into each nail is scattered throughout all of the area of the body, thereby reducing the pressure of each nail. 2 - The same reason why people use large surface footwear in the slow = increase the surface area --> reduce pressure of the feet in the snow ---> less pressure so you won't sink in the snow. 3 - Same reason as to why, theoretically, a woman's heels stepping on you, can amount to the same pressure as an elephant steping on you. Less force/weight (i,,e, a woman's mass times gravity compared to an elephants, thereby a lot less force) but through a needle heel, a *VERY* small surface area. Generating absurd amounts of pressure. if Pressure = Force / Area, then, in the case of the 12-6 elbow, you can put all of your force into a very small surface area - the olecranon - that is the actual bony protrusion that is the "back" of elbow, and amount to great deals of pressure. Same concept as breaking a glass with a needle. Couple that with a frontal bone, and you might generate more pressure on it and fracture it, when compared to a knee or a shin to a forehead, because even though they carry more force, their points of contact have a lot more area! Also, keep in minds that the frontal bone is relatively prone to fractures, given as it's flatter, just like Cyborg santos's frontal bone fractured and caved in after MVP kneed him in the forehead. Now... is the amount of pressure that's generated by the 12-6 elbow significant? we don't know and it depends on skull structure and size of the person. But it's also not as simple as it being purely about Force or Power like Joe and John are discussing, it.s about pressure too. 4 - *Don't forget the example of hand fractures!* Bear hands make contact with the knuckles, not a whole glove, thereby a much smaller surface area.Which is why gloves are used! With bare knuckles, the punches will actually have less force behind them and ability to cause concussion and brain damage, but the knuckles can break a lot more easily, seeing as the only points of contact are the two small knuckles, not the area of a whole glove, or you can even brake facial bones a lot more easily. They care about fighters not breaking bones because it'l stop them from fighting short term! it's not actually to protect the head! same as headgear, it doesn't protect against concussive brain damage, quite the contrary. Joe actually talks about this extensively while saying gloved hands cause more brain damage, and he's right. I don't have an answer but i do agree with you in one way: this is not that clear cut conclusion.

[@mkay6093]

Bernardo W. Lopes no ones got time to read that

[@taylortrash]

Bernardo W. Lopes oh god stfu

[@UnknownMagician93]

Interesting comment! Good explanation of what's happening physically with these strikes

[@nathanjohnson7419]

Bernardo W. Lopes all I read was pressure, but yah how do people not think of that, big difference between throwing strikes at a head with nothing but air holding it in place

[@nathanjohnson7419]

All it takes is one accurate elbow straight towards the ground to make a retarded person

[@notoverlyacerbic9574]

The sport is extremely fortunate to have had Big John there at those crucial moments in the early days..

[@tonybones9638]

Big Jon must guard the fountain of youth ....dude hasnt aged a day since 1992

[@hellahandy6524]

Dear John, Dean was correct because the 12-6 is in relation to the strikers body. Therefore even when the striker is on their back 12-6 is the same as if standing. 8:20-9:10

[@SnaggOlicious]

Big John is the Neil Degrasse Tyson of MMA. He even sounds like him.

[@Atite_Lometen]

9:01 This explains a lot about Mr Herb, I understand him now lol

[@Stephen7764.]

John looks like that cop from Hangover who yells "In the face! In the faaaace!"

[@missionpupa]

Lol

[@andrewmontgomery6315]

Indeed

[@kjeezy2990]

Not up in here!

[@briancatt7813]

I would like to see the data also determine the impact of the 12-6 elbow while compressing the head into the mat. The other strikes mentioned here do not compress the head into the floor, which allows for natural biomechanics to help protect the athlete.

[@kallepikku4991]

McCarthy really knows his wrestling. Even uses old Catch wrestling lingo with "Spiking" and "Arches" etc.. A very rare breed these days, with all the clueless BJJ-fanboys running rampant on different organizations.

[@matthewrodriguez1356]

Herb when the fuck have you ever seen a clock on a ceiling!? Lol dead

[@benedicitesol4429]

Where is this full interview?

[@hansgerber4191]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/ionMeGRmhpVjnqc

[@benedicitesol4429]

hans gerber thanks

[@thesmithersy]

9:10 The best part of the video.

[@I_like_turtles_67]

Rob Riggle should dress up as big Jon at a UFC event and pretend like he's going to officiate a fight.

[@parkourguy84]

He'd absolutely have to use his epic "POW!" a few times 😂😂

[@kylejay2180]

2024 and we can kiss this stupid ass rule GOODBYE!!!!!

[@BreakBeatStu]

Herb.... when in the fuck have you ever seen a clock on the ceiling!?!? 😂😂😂👍

[@animatemate5603]

Why haven't they uploaded the full podcast yet?

[@Danimal77]

What are you talking about? It's uploaded.

[@animatemate5603]

Dan Maler - It is now, but this video was uploaded hours before the full podcast came out.

[@bikeswithmike9415]

"When the fuck have you ever seen a clock on a ceiling herb!" Lost my shit lol

[@BreakBeatStu]

Honestly... big John, Herb, and Marc Goddard are some of the best referees in any sport. Big respect to them!

[@mr.z541]

BreakBeatStu ...Herb is s lazy hack. Needs to retire.

[@Vrdavila67]

Big John McCarthy should be commentating man he’s on the ball.💪🏾👍🏾