Joe Rogan Embarrasses Dan Crenshaw ft. Ben Burgis (TMBS 138)

[@darrencowley4059]

Watching from Australia living on $2620 a month from the government until we can go back to work, never having to worry about not having health care for the rest of my life, thinking what the hell is wrong with your country? Why do you elect these people? I don’t understand it at all

[@superfly2449]

Darren Cowley Neither do I, and I live here.

[@dudeist_priest]

@angrykulla 47 billion lives lost to socialism in Russia alone :(

[@darrencowley4059]

angrykulla We have universal health care and a $19.50 minimum wage but no gulags. And the only time the state engages in mass killing is when we get roped in to illegal wars by the US empire

[@raymarti3]

Dudeist Priest Do you mean authoritarian controlled communism?

[@raoulmontefiore4803]

@angrykulla Wow. Is that your argument?

[@dandotvid]

Crenshaw's argument falls flat with ONE line the police give people every day: "You have the right to an attorney." Well well well..... someone has the RIGHT to get services from someone. Do lawyers suddenly cease to exist?

[@brokenpk]

tha grumbie that’s actually a really good point

[@redlightmax]

tha grumbie It seems like Americans have more rights if they're arrested than if they're sick.🤷‍♂️

[@spooly]

Right to attorney ... you may pay.

[@spooly]

@Atheos B. Sapien And they're always the best, aren't they?

[@GEOMETRICINK]

Joel Beach ...You still get that help. With universal healthcare you chose whatever doctor you wish. It’s like the right to an attorney, but upgraded.

[@chendamaxmwape9736]

Wow! It's as if Crenshaw only sees one side of the issue

[@endofwatch5727]

LOL..... now this is funny... although he lost his right eye.... hahahahah

[@ZetaMoolah]

maxdives in eye see what you did there

[@endofwatch5727]

@Deeky 123 LOL.... very true!!!! hahahahahah ...

[@VincentTroia]

hahahahahahaha

[@Flike245]

He seems unable to perceive the true depth of the matter.

[@nicanornunez9787]

Worst pirate ever

[@arcsindiva5932]

Nicanor Núñez I don’t know, seems like he and his type are pretty effective at robbing and plundering.

[@siraemiliusii]

Instead of stealing booty like a proper pirate he wants to steal people's right to healthcare!

[@jeffbrown-hill7739]

Not even worthy of the name.

[@legion24100]

Bunch of privilege bums disrespecting a war vet......Americans deserve whats coming to them

[@rrb396]

@@legion24100 I'm a vet and I think he's a fucking idiot, and an embarrassment to all service members.

[@marisaJ1]

It's as though Crenshaw doesn't know what he's talking about. What a surprise.

[@stopwritingthatreplyjohnat6638]

He does, he knows exactly what he's talking about. He's just lying to protect his owners

[@Baci302]

I think Joe shoulda said “Dan, WTF are you talking about?”

[@Darkpara1]

He exposed him without having to really push

[@jeffroberts6428]

Chris Lucas Joe Rogan gets less credit than he deserves honestly. He’s honestly a decent example of the average American as far as beliefs and things.

[@Bisquick]

Yeah, he's definitely not...seeing clearly...

[@Baci302]

@JohnnyTheWolf Ha!

[@1RebelDog1]

@Kyle R cmon now, rogan gives everyone a voice, to deny people on the right the chance to voice their opinions is senseless

[@kdas7590]

If a doctor is primarily doing that job because he likes the money, i do not want him treating me

[@Mcweeever]

Dregs... Get real

[@bdg404]

@@Mcweeever makes sense to me, especially if I'm older and become "less profitable to treat".

[@TheDaeroner]

Um... move to Cuba?

[@thedebatemechannel4746]

If you have free healthcare and free eduction, you dont need to make as much money. Medical school here is VERY expensive. You HAVE to pay doctors a lot of money in expensive USA or who would sign up to be broke for 10+ years after working so hard in school AND after?

[@luisvilla799]

Well there goes about 50 to 70 percent of your drs. In USA lol

[@kristinbrown9354]

Ugh Dan “Cringeshaw” yikes he’s cringeworthy!

[@ClibanariusJJ]

Dan "Yikes, Sweaty!" Crenshaw more like

[@n8ture690]

Lol well done

[@austins88]

On a 1/10 scale what is the cringe level? I have a sensitive cringe meter

[@wks197980]

The Libertarian Solid Snake. Same tired arguments and psychopathy

[@normtrooper4392]

The real Solid snake would beat him up

[@Darkpara1]

Punished Crenshaw

[@normtrooper4392]

@@Darkpara1 we're the one who are punished when he keeps getting a platform

[@bluhmer1990]

Now that is offensive to every Metal Gear fan.

[@mortalcrybt8995]

I thought he was snake pliskin

[@user-vg8ox3he1i]

Wow. This is just the worst arguments that I've heard against M4A in a while. Are Canadian doctors slaves? Right now, thousands of people fight to get into medical schools in Canada despite it being almost totally socialized. It pays well, has a lot of prestige and you can help people. It's just a non-reality based belief. Also, it is EXACTLY like any other government service. Healthcare as a right is the same exact thing as firefighting as a right. It doesn't mean that you kidnap children and force them to be doctors. It means that medical service is paid for by the government for most essentials. So if you CHOOSE to work as a doctor and CHOOSE to work in a hospital or a clinic, you will be paid by the government. The "human right" part doesn't obligate human beings it OBLIGATES THE GOVERNMENT to provide and pay for that service. Jesus. Christ. I can't imagine anyone nodding along with this guy thinking "Yep, nailed it." America is doomed.

[@kevj4584]

I'm Canadian. I'm working class. My cousin is a doctor. My cousin bought a massive house a year ago. We are both happy with the deal we get from universal healthcare.

[@MemoTercero]

I’m Canadian too. Doctors leads pretty affluent lives here in Canada far from a poverty ridden fantasy of the American right.

[@ScribeLur]

Im American and if I wasn’t under 26 Id be fucked.

[@iamasickman]

​@@ScribeLur American and over 40 here. I think I might have cancer, but I'll never know because I'm poor and haven't seen a doctor since my early 20s, so yes, you will be fucked.

[@hcpalmer]

I'm from Jamaica originally and I have tons of family in Jamaica, U.S., Canada, and UK who are nurses and doctors. One of my cousin who lives in tiny little Jamaica is a surgeon and she lives the kind of life that most middle class Americans can only dream of. Dr.s will always be one of the most well compensated professions on planet earth and they will always enjoy a standard of living and social status significantly above that of the average citizen. I don't know how people fall for idiot Crenshaw's talking points, when the evidence against his dumb dumb argument is in every community literally on the planet regardless how rich or poor a country is.

[@CandyOMBodydouble]

Conservatives: black people should stop talking about slavery. That was 200 years ago. Also conservatives: Universal healthcare is slavery!

[@albertcosta2343]

@tiglath pileser ok tiglath. Trust trump or your lying eyes.

[@Takkiebos]

@@albertcosta2343 can't they both be bad?

[@albertcosta2343]

@@Takkiebos let's deconstruct your question in a more positive way and say 'can't they both be good?' Asked that way, I say pick the one who is better. Logical? Yes? No? However, i personally think trump is abysmally bad for a myriad of reasons, not even getting to his utter incompetence and mismanagement of his office, and i think Joe Biden is good. Not perfect, but good. So my choice is easy, a choice between bad and good. Your choice is your choice. Unless you've been hiding your brain under a rock for the last four years, i propose your choice of Biden should also be easy. Your choice is your choice, and you do whatever your conscience dictates.

[@sanfordblackstone5317]

@Ric Jones Yeah, Trump said that back in March but there hasn't really been much action to back those words up. I'll let you know if I find anything good Dopey Donny has actually done, rather than just said. Far as I can tell right now, it was just more empty promises, like "drain the swamp" and "we're gonna be so tired of winning".

[@sanfordblackstone5317]

@Ric Jones I agree, the Dems' response has been lackluster here, even if they proposed more bailouts for people than for corporations. I'm responding to the point that YOU made about Dopey Donny saying people would be covered and then doing nothing about it. You are smart enough to understand that presidents are fully capable of writing legislation to be taken up by the House and Senate as well. You're the one that said he promised these things and I'm pointing out that he has taken zero action to follow up with it. Just like he was out on TV saying he would "protect preexisting conditions" for health insurance coverage when his administration was in court AT THE SAME EXACT TIME suing to strip preexisting conditions protections from the ACA. Dopey Donny is just a pathological liar and all his supporters eat it up while never doing any follow-up research. It's a damn shame.

[@jaysin197800]

12:15 the movie “Gangs of New York” shows a perfect example of independent fire stations fighting each other over who is gonna get paid to put out the fire while the houses burn down!

[@SaurianSavior]

Also, the richest man in Rome during Caesar's time was a guy named Crassus. He became a real-estate magnate after building the first private fire-fighting force, and extorting people out of their burning properties.

[@Distimmer]

@@SaurianSavior damn, ya beat me to it :p

[@tevinpayne3076]

Meritocracy is dead. His arguments wouldn’t make it out of a smoking session with the homies.

[@umar1083]

The word meritocracy only exists for satire but for some reason dipshit right wingers believe in it

[@floepiejane]

Meritocracy never existed.

[@tevinpayne3076]

Noel Stafford It exist in the mind, like the American Dream.

[@jhagler9010]

3:17 "if doctors get paid less there will be less doctors".... meanwhile Cuba pays their doctors $50 a month and they have the highest doctor per patient ratio of any country

[@manglednub]

@@juniorgod321 whereas in the US doctors get paid 4 times as much as the average citizen

[@manglednub]

@@juniorgod321 Wow, conflating the jobs of medical professionals and actors! Very solid argument. What we're saying is that there shouldn't be a market for healthcare. You should receive healthcare, end of story. Taxes pay for it. It's the way its worked here in the UK for decades, having only started to crumble over the last 10 years due to vicious tory cuts. Would you like to have a privatised police force? A fire dept. run by Jeff Bezos or Mark Zuckerberg?

[@melissagaynor5880]

@@juniorgod321 they should be highly regulated. That is the purpose of government, after all.

[@manglednub]

@@juniorgod321 Doctors still earn massive amounts in countries with socialised healthcare. I think you misunderstand the meaning of the word slaves, so theres that. Healthcare costs a lot more than food, and one trip to the hospital in the US can be enough to sink a hard working family into bankruptcy. The same cannot be said for food. There are systems in place to provide food for those that need it. If the market for healthcare is so good, and so efficient at driving costs down then how come the US pays more per capita on healthcare than any other country in the world, yet receives a worse standard of care than 26 other countries? I don't think you'll ever understand how stupid the rest of the world thinks your system is, and how you pay middlemen to do a job for profit that the government could do at cost.

[@iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii5924]

@@juniorgod321 juniorgod321 51 minutes ago Maybe because the average Cuban gets paid around $20? Who would've guessed that when you pay people less for a job there's less people willing to do that job, right "genius"? Great! Then weed out all the doctors who only have a profit motive. The same doctors who help cause the opioid problem and got paid by drug companies to do it. And guess what, you still have a choice to be something else not just a doctor who most likely would still get paid a fair wage for his/her services. Less doctors, sure maybe. But at least those doctors actually want to be there.

[@TheLukeStein]

Sounds like he read Thomas Sowell's Basic Economics and now he thinks he knows how the world works.

[@jackfollansbee168]

So weird how now in 2023 Joe Rogan made the exact Same argument Dan Crenshaw made when debating Medicare for all with Kyle kulinski

[@maevereynolds6344]

4:19 - 4:27 Crenshaw literally squirming nervously when his bs talking points are actually met with common sense follow up 😂 quite enjoyable to watch

[@mididoctors]

Us on paper has more resources in the health care industry than universal healthcare systems in Europe yet is unable to deploy then in a remotely efficient or cost effective way ... Private hear care systems are inefficient

[@xyzsame4081]

The U.S. has fewer hospital beds / ICU beds or doctors per 1000 people. Italy is low on hospital beds - but the U.S. is worse.

[@arcsindiva5932]

Like growing a surplus of food but people are still starving. It’s always about the distribution system.

[@ezzelme6054]

Because US system is made to maximise profit

[@randompseudonym4519]

@Despiser Despised Other country's single payer systems seem to work just fine. Your disingenuous argument is not working.

[@twoshedsjohnson8540]

It's not that our health care industry is UNABLE to deploy it's resources efficiently and cost effective way, it's that it's not incentivized to do so. Heavily subsidized by government, it's allowed for costs to be redistributed onto taxpayers, so efficiency and costs become less of a hurdle in order for the industry to thrive.

[@pawnography5788]

Michael Brooks go on Rogan

[@robertnicholls9917]

Nah, Joe might think he's a pompous ass. I like Mike but if you don't get his politics and what he truly cares about, you can get the wrong reading. All these guys need more financial support to develop their ideas. Or, go the Rubin route and just get paid. Trying to balance activism while developing a comfortable life is a long, lonely path.

[@robertnicholls9917]

@JohnnyTheWolf I don't know if he cares about those guys that much. I hope Sam and Mike can get on there to share a left message one day.

[@robertnicholls9917]

Unlike liberals, Sam and Micheal are aware of the stereotypes thrown at the left but can navigate through them. The reality is, Rogan's audience may be apolitical and blinded by stupid right wing platitudes but Sam and Mike explains things on a human level so it's easy to digest. They can sell left ideology because most of it is common sense. Mike is a natural asshole (not in a bad way), I don't know how that will be received by bro-dudes. And, of course Sam is a soy boy.

[@thepants1450]

@@robertnicholls9917 true, he tolerated Shapiro though right?

[@Giraffe27]

From your mouth to Allah's ears

[@sillybilly666]

"Argh I'm a conservative pirate!!"

[@redlightmax]

Clayton "What letter do we put next to your name?" "R!"🥁 [crickets] Is this thing on?

[@zacg_]

Hey that's outrageous! How dare you insult this exemplary war hero for his holy sacrifice! Also, Why can't liberals take a joke? Why do they always have to play the victim and act like they are offended?

[@bluhmer1990]

@@zacg_ Oh bullshit. Iraq was a farce of a war so quit with the "holy sacrifice" nonsense. He's a moronic jackass, plain and simple.

[@adamwhittaker9620]

@@bluhmer1990 Zac is joking.

[@bluhmer1990]

@@adamwhittaker9620 Based on what? He sounds exactly like every right-wing tool would. If he was joking he's very convincing.

[@bunyipz2040]

Imagine the military budget didn't have to be added. It's basically the theft dept.

[@bunyipz2040]

@Despiser Despised what's the one mandated job? If it's to look after its citizens then i agree, looking after citizens is not bombing other countries citizens. Looking after your citizens should include free healthcare, you get a free army. Debts are only there to keep you scared and others wealthy.

[@Zarastro54]

@Despiser Despised Ah classic lolbertarian double think. Against "big government," but totally fine with a big military and police force with which the government can exert power over people.

[@bunyipz2040]

@Despiser Despised Obama was a murdering monster like all recent American presidents. He ran out of bombs at one stage.

[@snakelama]

Despiser Despised tired insults and incoherent points. based.

[@Zarastro54]

Despiser Despised Always funny when you chuds can’t tell the difference between liberal Democrats and actual leftists. Yeah, no shit, everyone on the actual left doesn’t like Obama. But you wouldn’t know that because you probably think Nancy Pelosi is a “communist.”

[@hubomba]

Wow that was an actual worse argument than I was expecting, that's amazing.

[@lifeform1958]

I've always thought that Joe Rogan operates on the "give 'em enough rope" principle. It works very well.

[@SophisticatedBanjo]

One cool thing about Rogan is that I think if you had put someone like Michael (who is a solid debater) in Joe's place, and make the exact same points about public services, it wouldn't be nearly as rhetorically effective. If someone like Michael had been antagonistic and tried to score points with the examples of firefighters and public education, Dan could have thrown up the usual right-wing tough guy act and gotten confrontational. But with Joe Rogan all you get is honesty and respect, so there's nothing for Dan to lash out at, even when his arguments and worldview are crumbling. Joe's humility and genuine curiosity becomes a much more lethal rhetorical tool in that context. It's kind of interesting, especially with the general compunction we all feel online to "destroy our opponents with facts and logic", in this case we get to see him destroying a guy with honest questions.

[@rothgar33rd]

Actuallly Joe Rogan IS the kind of person who normally does that. He's having a conversation, open minded, interested, and guilesless. If both left and right weren't so anxious to score agenda points they would both have more credibility. I'm as progressive as almost anyone, and I don't always agree with Rogan, but he's open minded and willing to have his mind changed, instead of always asking questions as a set-up to making his point.

[@philipmerewood2298]

Yes and he is intelligent just because he doesn't dress up his language with flowery prose and makes it easy to understand- some think that isn't a good thing

[@WynnterGreen]

Im well and truly on the left, and I trust Rogan far more than I currently trust any of the Democrats.

[@dwood5494]

​@@WynnterGreen You are an unwitting IL-liberal fascist complicit with status quo brainwashing to make plebs believe that people who stand up for their freedoms are "selfish," "extreme," "irresponsible," "hateful," "irrational," and "lawless" -- left-wing and neo-"liberal" fascist authoritarian propaganda serving the powers that be in predatory, rapacious parasites of the so-called "ruling classes" of mobocratic kleptocracy!

[@WynnterGreen]

@@dwood5494 Yerrrp.... No matter who's talking, some dummie will be screaming "Facist" or "Commie" without ever listening to the conversation.

[@dwood5494]

@@WynnterGreen What ideology does the fascist and commie have in common, an anathema to the RIGHT? Ans: the tyranny of authoritarianism, whether from a mobocratic kleptocracy that is called "democracy" or from a monocracy.

[@jake373]

I heard people in Canada see their doctor twice more on average per year than people in the US. Can't be that big a pain in the ass. They also live longer, lower infant mortality rates, lower teenage pregnancies and on and on

[@jeffsartadventure3634]

I'm unable to pretzel twist my brain to determine where Crenshaw is coming from. People listen to that guy?

[@happytimeharry363]

J.L. Goodman,...yeah, they listen. Because, eye-patch.

[@Plato86]

I like when Grisham talks about rural working class issues. Keep up the good work David making Texas look good.

[@CarbsLVR]

Yes, that's right: a large increase in people wanting healthcare would lead to long lines... because hospitals wouldn't want to invest in more doctors and beds and do more business... because reasons. Galaxy brain right here, guys.

[@JokersSerious]

lines is their go-to excuse against a healthcare system that provides care instead of act like a sit-back-and-get-rich for-profit scheme. fucking go into any of these advanced nations yourself and ask them if they would give up their healthcare system for a single second.

[@Zarastro54]

@gunnyblender Eh, we switched the Tea Party militias for open fascist ones, so not much of an upgrade.

[@robertstan298]

So Rogan does pushback these days? Good on him. He's come a long way.

[@JStack]

Robert Stan no he does not really. Sometimes people are so fucking dumb like Crowder and Crenshaw even Rogan can’t help it

[@hey_relaxjack]

@@JStack dont forget rubin too. Rogan fleeced Rubin

[@SaraphDarklaw]

Robert Stan That wasn’t really push back. It was a what aboutism that completely derailed Crenshaw. The right just doesn’t have a real argument against M4A. I wish Rogan pointed out how Crenshaw has tax payer funded healthcare during his time in the military and now as a congressman to really poke holes.

[@johntao6822]

@@SaraphDarklaw you're expecting way too much of Joe

[@young1191]

joe rogan invite people to have a conversation, not to assert his beliefs or ideologies.

[@YungM.D.]

When Rubin said “Don’t Burn this Book” he really meant don’t *roast* this book

[@schneedsb]

Gotta love the guys who go on to Rogan’s show once and think their best buds with him and he won’t challenge them on anything

[@Gemini_Samura1]

Why are we listening to number 2? Wheres Dr. Evil?

[@youwhoknowknewnot2876]

You sir came with jokes today thanks for the laugh!

[@JohnTaylor-fh4et]

How are we in a "free society" when everything costs money?

[@VMonkies]

Because you have the freedom to get out of the way and die if people like Crenshaw want you to.

[@JohnTaylor-fh4et]

@@VMonkies making America great again, one death at a time.

[@bluenami7520]

You have the freedom to pick which rich guy you want to make richer.

[@bluenami7520]

@Olallo Delgado North Korea is one giant corporation. The US is many corporations in competition. If corporations keep gobbling each other up, we'll eventually be North Korea. All corporations are totalitarian institutions.

[@JohnTaylor-fh4et]

@Olallo Delgado or just another corrupt to the core, propaganda spewing, only serving the Elites illusion

[@danwarb1]

Wait lines are longer in the US.

[@Darkpara1]

Depends what for, for ER's? They can be, not so much for things like outpatient surgery, that they take in the cash for.

[@sisandamatomela3272]

I miss Michael a lot !! brilliant dude !!

[@shybiscket]

Never met a doctor that started off just wanting money.

[@cf3714]

Yep. There are much better places to make money, like cosmetic surgery, or homeopathy. The money is nice though, even in socialist countries. Turns out, dedicating 8+ years of your life to difficult schooling, a strict oath (do no harm) and 24 hour residency shifts _does_ come with some perks.

[@guypledger7849]

Homeopathy has shown statistically significant results in randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trials. The Glasgow trial of 1986 on hay fever (published in the Lancet) is a great example. Unfortunately, the reaction of many to such data is similar to how people react to virus transmission curves. It's freaky stuff so people react with hostility. Shoot, my own opinion regarding homeopathy just changed this year due to actually trying it. That has not stopped homeopathic companies from getting shut down during this time, though. Ignorance abounds.

[@Zarastro54]

These people can only think about profit. They cannot fathom that people would join a profession out of a desire to do good. "If you can't make money off it, what's the point?"

[@cf3714]

@@guypledger7849 My response to you got deleted, but I would recommend looking at studies that have taken place between 1986 to now. 1986 was 36 years ago.

[@guypledger7849]

@@cf3714 A more recent analysis of homeopathy with positive findings is 2014 (Robert Mathie). Personally, I have found positive results. Without a doubt, there are hucksters who give it a bad name, which feeds into the anti-homeopathic views of sites like Wikipedia. Every field has its frauds.

[@RJ-hk1ni]

Crenshaw's reasons are a joke. He should just say 'The people that fund me do not want you to have healthcare.'

[@thomaasfist6494]

I love how all these entrenched establishment figures think everyone is purely motivated like them are by the amount of wealth one can obtain. I believe the majority of people who decide to become doctor do first and foremost because they feel they have a calling to serve the community in an essential service and the money comes second.

[@MichaelAronson]

I wouldn't call Crenshaw "entrenched." He's been in office for less than two years.

[@thomaasfist6494]

Michael 마익흘 Aronson entrenched for sure. He has been running around doing PR for the Republicans since day one. Luckily it’s been for Republican friendly knob gobblers. Rogan asks him to explain how he can justify other social programs but not healthcare and it looked like his head was about to explode. There has been dishonest people in politics for ever but the last few years has shown me that the new breed is dishonest and lazy. At least prior they tried to outsmart others with rhetorical tactics that were hard to follow but sounded legitimate enough to get them off the air before they looked like total waffling idiots. Everything is image these days and the GOP love this guy. They collectively get hard thinking about him in his strapless eye patch.

[@MichaelAronson]

@@thomaasfist6494 "the new breed is dishonest and lazy." Yes, the new guys who aren't entrenched yet are similarly dishonest and lazy.

[@thomaasfist6494]

Michael 마익흘 Aronson what’s your point other then being that person who likes to cosplay as Andy the Argumentative Agreer. Can you fill me in on the purpose of this reply? The first reply you made was in regards to my choice of the word “entrenched” which I will agree might not be the best choice of words in this context but this is KZbin. You got what I was saying. Could we have just left it there. Was this last one necessary? Frankly I’m confused

[@MichaelAronson]

@@thomaasfist6494 "I will agree might not be the best choice of words" Cool, then I guess we're done here.

[@ShawnWeeded510]

He's literally missing an eye and he also can't see the holes in his own bullshit logic.

[@AW-xv7dq]

GOP's finest

[@JohnnySplendid]

Glad Crenshaw got downvoted into oblivion. Maybe Rogan will stop platforming this fascist.

[@Baci302]

Dan Crenshaw: “This goes to 11.”

[@BadAssElf810]

America: Spend 8 years training a doctor and then let some guy with an MBA (which took 2 years) at an insurance company decide what is medical necessity so the doctor has to fill out forms (sometimes twice) to convince the insurers while the patients lose productivity and time without the care they need. And guys like Crenshaw argue with us that this is free market "efficiency." These guys will also tell us that if we give people UBIs or free stuff everyone will stop going to work and the GDP will plummet. Funny, that hasn't happened in places like Denmark or Sweden or Cuba.

[@eliyahbenysrael3903]

Thanks for this! These people do gymnastics around the truth and stick to lies like theyre Spiderman.

[@Thezuule1]

You don't have to go back to ancient Rome to find private fire departments. Until 1860 in NYC you needed a form of fire insurance to get a brigade to come to your property to extinguish a fire and there was no municipal fire department.

[@redlightmax]

Thezuule I read about plaques on the front of houses that would indicate which insurance company you were with - I guess if you didn't have a plaque they'd just let your house burn down.🤯

[@aaronbaum54]

There are Private fire departments in the Modern U.S., and they are about as awful as you would expect them to be.

[@FeebleBird903]

No healthcare for pirates

[@stealthmoose10]

Freedom costs a buck-o-five.

[@ziggyramdas9093]

Did Rogan embarrass him or did he embarrass himself?

[@willweed6168]

Patches is a joke. Strip him of his taxpayer funded insurance.

[@jimbolast1313]

Maybe you need a patch to plug up your silly piehole? And all those extra holes apparently leaking the stuff generally used to create thought? Just saying

[@willweed6168]

@@jimbolast1313 because I should be taking advice from someone named Jimbo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 got it.

[@jimbolast1313]

@@willweed6168 Well, Will, since you are going to Weed, why not? Sounds better than your other plan

[@Supsboredrn]

Never heard of the Roman private fire department. You learn something new everyday. Thanks KZbin!!

[@yagermeister5014]

People like Crenshaw believe you have a right to own a gun, but not health care?

[@reganhatcher1579]

Yagermeister a right to buy a gun. Like the right to buy healthcare... stupid analogy

[@milohobo9186]

The reason normal people want to think like Cershaw is because they want to believe there is a good reason for the suffering rather than accepting that we're being taken advantage of

[@bucketiii7581]

The Marxist explanation is that they are aware of their alienation, but also aware that their treats come from the exploitation of others (Foxconn workers, Congolese miners, etc), and so any ideology which absolves them of guilt and promotes hedonism appeals to their dopamine receptors.

[@bmstapler]

no one should be a doctor for the money, fame, prestige, etc. but because they sought out the knowledge, gained the expertise, acquired the skills, and most importantly because they have the drive and desire to help another human being

[@Shigawire]

Marcus Licinius Crassus' fire department was pretty ruthless. Like a mafia protection racket.

[@Damacles9]

Crenshaw received his eye care from a doctor compelled to treat him. Hey, Crenshaw, FOAD!

[@CSGraves]

'It's a public good!' 'It's a public good!' 'It's a public good!' 'Look Joe, this is America... I just don't want to allow anything good to be ascribed to socialized services, ok?!'

[@awworrell]

Got to love the whole argument that hospitals won't build that extra bed or have the extra ventilator, kinda like how right now hospitals haven't been doing any of that.

[@quicksite]

8:19 just love how David inserted his thought and like a locomotive bulldozed from Waco to Wichita Falls in 2 minutes flat, the dust still hasn't settled

[@sirdon9433]

The question is : Dan, why do you deserve 5 Star health care but Essentials don't deserve any at all?

[@marknoahsotelo316]

If you can’t defend your argument give a very long winded, muddled answer in the hopes you bore your combatant so they forget the question in the first place , well done, Dan

[@johnfazzari6208]

what is an acceptable wait tme for a joint replacement? or to see a pediatric gastro enterolagist? waiting inline for a diagnostic, how long should a person in pain wait fpr an MRI?

[@IronDogger]

There is a massive difference in quality of care from a Dr who wants to be a Dr for helping people vs. the crook Dr’s who go into the field for the income potential alone. Who does the surgery because they want to buy a new plane or the Dr who is careful to diagnose?

[@johnsnow5305]

I love when icons on the Right get exposed like this. Dan Crenshaw is famous because he got wounded in a war we shouldn't never been in. He isn't famous for his towering intellect and excellent sense of ethics and morality and public policy.

[@ernestoelche9161]

We also have the example of the movie GANG'S OF NEW YORK (which is a recreation of some historical facts) when the firefighters were private.

[@samiamrg7]

A better example of a right that obligates someone else’s service would be courts, juries, and lawyers. A court system requires MANY people, many of whom spend the better part of a decade in higher education, all to furnish the right to a quick and fair trial by a jury of one’s peers.

[@AviatoreGK]

Even if it was true that doctors would be payed less in a public system (and I doubt that), there is a pretty nice way to go around that problem: free education for everyone and cancellation of student debt, so that doctors don't have to worry to repay hundrends of thousands of dollars in student loans. I bet there would be more doctors not less.

[@JohnTaylor-fh4et]

They're rationing Healthcare, and sorry but poor people just don't make the cut. Better luck next time.

[@jesse_cole]

*one simple question from Joe Rogan* Dan Crenshaw: "Well... you see, no... because... uhmm... eco...econ...econom...economic.... economics... uhmm... you see... uhm..."

[@TaddiestMason]

The military is a public good? In what way? I have no way of using the military to help me.

[@arttucker6678]

As a veteran, you'd think Mr. Crenshaw would support and defend universal health care. Soldiers and veterans receive free health care, which is not the best in the world, but it keeps our Soldiers healthy. I guess Dan thinks that its a bridge too far to extend those benefits to un-deserving civilians.

[@mcevans]

Rest in power. I miss Michael so much already.

[@reinarforeman6518]

Gangs of New York, is an example of private fire-departments in the USA. It... did....not....work.

[@Hhhhhh-sz9ud]

Damn, it's good to see Joe Rogan standing up to his guests more.

[@ineedsaltplease620]

Whenever someone is trying to cleverly show that something isn't a right it's like a different level of despicable

[@Triton63]

I loathe Dan Crenshaw! He tries to sound open-minded and respectful. He comes across as plotting authoritarian that hates progressive ideas.

[@abi7183]

"Ricocheting between cliches" is now my favourate phrase!

[@nirmalsandhu5256]

The point is not to laugh at your opponent it is to explore the idea to see if the idea holds or not..

[@plmperz4783]

What Crenshaw's saying about Firefighters not being socialistic is that he wants to seize their means of production

[@MatthiasWinkler]

I never met him or spoke to him, but just read his book and I really miss Michael...

[@ronaldmexico1297]

Dan Crenshaw is the prime example of why you shouldn’t give veterans universal credibility to speak about any topic. Being in the military doesn’t automatically make you a good/smart person, some people in the military are and some aren’t. Just like any other demographic.

[@13tuyuti]

In the 19th century there were also private fire departments. Sometimes they were owned by the same people who owned insurance companies, which led to interesting situations.

[@TheDaeroner]

I like Joe Rogan, he's an independent thinker.

[@pansepot1490]

In Italy we have more doctors than we need. Authorities have been advising students to carefully consider job opportunities before enrolling in med school. Btw having free university helps in having doctors who are not shamelessly greedy because they must repay huge student loans.

[@Sinleqeunnini]

In ancient Rome the fire department was privatized. Crassus ripped people off by offering to put out house fires, often setting them himself.

[@Tampahop]

It’s an easy answer. Police and fire departments are not covered by the Constitution, so it is left up to the states, not federal government.

[@rjsteward1727]

It's unfair for Dan Crenshaw to have to debate someone who is using Alphabrain

[@33oonum]

It is very odd to hear people from such an immensely industrialized country, the USA, even debating the legitimacy of an Universal Healthcare System. Here in Portugal not even the right opposes the notion that that has to be in place. I find it mind-boggling folks are still having this discussion.

[@Shigawire]

"Look, you got options. But our public relations agency recommend you choose the eye patch, and accentuate it!"

[@reinerwilhelms-tricarico344]

If firefighters were privatised and for profit there would be secret contracts with arsonists, and the insurance companies would decide which house gets protected first. Parallels in healthcare: Paying lobbyists and inept bureaucrats who occasionally let a virus go unnoticed. As little preventive healthcare as possible. Or support some woke officials to present obesity as a modern lifestyle choice. The healthcare treats first the most expensive disease. Chronic disease treatment is the no 1 moneymaker.

[@Cruizinelli12]

It’s not all Crenshaw’s fault he only sees one side of the argument.

[@code_kanga5390]

Joe Rogan interviews pirate. Owns pirate with facts and logic.

[@xxxxOS]

Americans should watch 24 hours in A&E on channel 4 in the UK, then tell me that doctors only become doctors for money. It's a great insight into the UK NHS.

[@michaelsieger9133]

This is not a matter of compelling services, doctors already have an ethical obligation to treat those in need. Police are required by precinct and state mandates to respond to calls, e.g. This is a matter of access to care. The lack of access to care is not one of doctor discretion on whether or not to treat patients, it is one of financial impediments to care. Lack of insurance or coverage is what prevents patients from obtaining medical assistance. Neither is having fewer doctors in an area an example of how a single payer system would compel care. Wait times for willing physicians would simply be longer.

[@JCOwens-zq6fd]

The private fire dept scenario just happened in New York City in the 1800's. Municipal fire brigade, City fire brigade etc etc. There we're tons all across the city.

[@maritimeretro2855]

I mean, the problem with this is of course that Crenshaw knows that a fire station is an example of socialism, he knows that the roads are funded by taxes, as well as anything that he referred to as a "public good". He just gets paid to not say that, ever. So he will just spin his wheels like that, because he has to. He literally can't admit the truth, because it will end his payday. Its amazing really.

[@bentyler3695]

I would be happy to force Rand Paul to work in the health care mines.

[@RadioactivFly]

Sixth amendment! The sixth amendment says you have a right to a lawyer! Does Dan Crenshaw think the sixth amendment is wrong too, because it forces lawyers to serve people by law?

[@richardgarrison2842]

Crenshaw argues against Public health care while receiving public health while in the Military and also available to him through the Veterans Affairs.