Joe Rogan Explains Systemic Racism to Ben Shapiro

--Ben Shapiro's arguments about systemic racism crumble under basic questioning from Joe Rogan
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[@bujubonchon358]

Ben Shapiro’s voice is every black comedian’s impersonation of a white dude.

[@professorpancakes6545]

Hersh Shorsh ?

[@sN00p_]

@Hersh Shorsh then what is he? Lmao

[@jamesrussell5196]

Yakunin Redeemer II Jewish is a different culture and race. The skin s still white but a lot of people mean white Christian that isn’t chatholic

[@bujubonchon358]

Dude’s Jewish.

[@stefanbroers8146]

for me it sounded like he was sped up....

[@scooby45247]

IN THE NAME OF THE FLAG, WE SHOULD REMOVE MONEY FROM POLITICS BECAUSE IT IS NOT SPEECH, ITS A BRIBE..

[@cloudofthought]

Koch, Adelson, etc: "Well since you invoke the flag I guess we have no other choice but stop..."

[@NotUnymous]

Then how can they dedicate their life towards the people without money? That would just give them a realy good reason to take bribes...

[@scooby45247]

@@NotUnymous a salary.. since theyre already taking bribes your plan is to continue that to fight them taking bribes? your logic lacks logic..

[@NotUnymous]

@@scooby45247 Yes, a salary. Thats money, duh.

[@scooby45247]

@@NotUnymous clearly you have no idea what i was talking about; nor do you understand the concept as a whole..

[@coolbreeze2.0-mortemadfasc13]

People are intentionally obtuse. Never argue with a person who is committed to misunderstanding you.

[@markcotton3481]

Great advice. I learned this from my "father".

[@MichaelScott261]

Wrong: When you get that impression, you troll them and wind them up. These are the people who have a very short fuse.

[@joelennon-phillips8132]

Am I being obtuse?

[@markcotton3481]

@Suncere Knowledge Que?

[@marleylove510]

@@MichaelScott261 But they will never learn and never believe.

[@erniemccracken5509]

Rogan is trying to explain "empathy" to a man who is emotionally stunted.

[@sisteray3539]

100%!

[@RacingSnails64]

You ever see Ben talk about how his girls who were almost shot up at their Jewish school in the 90's by an anti-semite? Who only didn't because there was an armed guard outside, and then went and shot up another school instead? "Stunted" isn't accurate. It's also ad hominem. Low hanging fruits pal.

[@KarlMarxFanClub]

Republicans hate the poor and downtrodden. Instead of helping them, they kick them. It’s disgusting

[@chromebooktest1128]

@@KarlMarxFanClub its amazing to me that you followed the previous comment as a caricature of it. demonstrates a complete lack of self and situational awareness.. youre the democrat version of whatever you said.

[@CheNoriega]

@Dylan O'Neill he has some bad takes about politics a lot, if you truly understand the context of his power.

[@jvhee]

The CIA is now using Shapiro's voice as a torture device

[@stranger16luis71]

This comment made my day, thanks brother.

[@phantommensa]

Bendover's voice reminds me of when you put a record on a turntable and the speed is set at 78 instead of 33.

[@rudolfrednose7351]

They looked into that after successfully discovering that playing recordings of Kellyanne Conway’s voice worked better than those of dying seagulls to clear airport runways of birds.

[@tysparks598]

They coulda played it outside the Waco compound... Think of those poor Branch Davidians, they would have come out for sure, would be alive today ... This needs to happen.

[@Expatsunleashed]

I’d choose Joe Pesci squeezing my head in a vice over listening to this squeaky toy ( Ben) for three min.

[@CapitalGainzz]

Ben Sharpio: People wouldn’t die if they avoided death

[@BushidoBoyd]

"Why don't they just take out a loan and move to a better neighborhood?"

[@srenroskjrsrensen3868]

All they have to do is stop testing for death - boom, no more dead people

[@drewdown826]

@@srenroskjrsrensen3868 nobody tests for death.

[@johnmoeller8654]

Shapiro is a pseudo intellectual extraordinaire

[@BestBarbero]

You can avoid death by not putting yourself at risk . Yeah I guess I would agree on that statement .

[@rlh1984]

Ben Shapiro: “I’d rather not think about racism. I like to think good things about America.”

[@treyberry3206]

Great comment. Pretty much sums up why we're still having this issue in America.

[@bg808s]

exactly, that's pretty much conservatives in a nutshell - anything bad "la-la-la-la not listening la-la-la" followed by something like "radical left hates America", followed by "la-la-la..." followed by "I think the President has learned his lesson"...

[@CCJJ160Channels]

That’s fine for him until someone makes an antisemitic or anti Israel comment. Then he’s quick to call racism.

[@whatmeworry8472]

Because positive thinking creates positive reality

[@adamromero]

Its fine thinking theres good things about America, but be a realist and recognize the problems too.

[@TheErnieforss]

Most people forget that MLK was hated during the time he was alive. Republican using him as why black people protest wrong these days is equivalent of saying "hey, I have a black friend so i can use that word." "Oh, he shouldn't be taken a knee because i know one black person who said we should do it differently..... even though he believes in peaceful protest and this is peaceful as sitting in front of a business."

[@lilrayallen13]

he wasn't just hated. He was POLLED as the most hated man in America That's an interesting fact that I didn't learn in school.

[@fearnothing2026]

Ben Shapiro: "I'm a libertarian." Also Ben Shapiro: "Porn should be illegal. All tap water should be privatized. Rap isn't real music."

[@fearnothing2026]

@@therussiantrollnetwork7464 You don't say. Why does he love repeating it then?

[@vexedaslin]

Lol, but an opinion on rap music is irrelevant to libertarianism

[@tylerkeegan5615]

Ben: Masks shouldn’t be mandatory because freedom Also Ben: schools should be forced to open because freedom

[@darthvaderreviews6926]

Can't believe you didn't mention _"Soldiers with no identification pulling you into unmarked vans and refusing to identify why you're being detained or who they are has no resemblance to fascism whatsoever. Here's a whataboutism about China."_

[@DarthPhallix]

I’m fairly libertarian in my views and I utterly detest hip hop and rap. So there’s that.

[@TootieVirus]

Ben Shapiro has a four year old’s understanding of “personal responsibility.” It’s actually extremely embarrassing to watch.

[@clivecosta-correa2102]

MDeMo, I disagree about Shapiro and the four year old understanding. No, he’s an absolute conniving, cynical grifter, and no mistake.

[@DigitalPadawan]

Its amazing how much personal responsibility folks like him demand, yet they frequently believe in that special deity and permit its excuses for behavior without responsibility. "god made us this way... god wills it..."

[@livehardordieeasy701]

@@DigitalPadawan well wth do you want? He is clear about his facts and his ways. That something's are created by God and for something we are personally liable for. This BS, i.e. adhering to only one or/ bi philosophy is completely useless. We live a dynamic life in a dynamic world. You cannot see everything through one lense.

[@DigitalPadawan]

@@livehardordieeasy701. He's frequently not clear about facts. Lots of "let's say" this and that. Muddled conclusions about studies that he doesn't site. I do agree that it's a dynamic world, good point that. It's easier to deal with the dynamic world when one puts the narrow view bible into the fiction section though.

[@bobwilliams4895]

You all would like to pretend that personal responsibility doesn't exist.

[@stuartjames942]

Ben Shapiro in a nutshell: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” ― Upton Sinclair, I, Candidate for Governor: And How I Got Licked

[@ctciii2024]

perfect description of politics as a whole

[@MrJpzum]

You don’t often see people push back against Shapiro in a discussion like this. Rogan was pretty impressive here.

[@accountnotfound4209]

Joe is Ben's pet.

[@Mia199603]

Shapiro isn't worth debating, most people see him as the idiot he is and just don't see a point in talking to him. He is also a troll ao debating him is truly pointless even if he does understand what you're talking to him.

[@gladius1275]

If Ben had a pet it would be miniature poodle with pink dyed fur and rainbow painted nails. Joe was more like a Rottweiler that mauled a small, confused, androgynous boy.

[@archielabb]

Honestly surprised and impressed by Rogan. Basically said Ben is wrong without insults. Bravo!!

[@dustinrea6510]

Why doesn't pacman debate ben?

[@ScottH.]

Good for Joe. Sometimes he allows right wingers like Ben to dictate the conversation but he was having no part of Ben's silly "fix". 👍

[@johnedwards1968]

I think Rogan is finally losing patience with the IDW. Conservatism is a mile wide, and an inch deep.

[@galacticwarlock2271]

For once.

[@bigtats76]

I was a bit surprised. He's been pushing alt-right talking points pretty heavy lately with all his antifa b.s. Any Ben Shapiro fans should be embarrassed, Joe is a self admitted meat head and he was schooling Ben.

[@ulissesarredondo8674]

If only Joe had challenged right wingers in 2016 I would have more respect for him when it comes to politics.

[@bigtats76]

@@greenbean1613 your not missing much. I generally only watch because of the MMA guests. But even that is getting tiring. "Theres levels to this"....

[@edgargonzalez-wx5no]

"Homeless people should go home"-ben shapiro

[@suckapunch565]

“Starving people should eat” -Ben Shapiro

[@mocto647]

"Depressed people should become happy" - Ben Shapiro

[@andychung332]

“An average Joe can become a billionaire, just make it happen” -Benny

[@Dutch_Engineer_Piff_Dahnk]

Ya two parent households are impossible for non whites - liberal

[@Ross63819]

I’m Latin and my wife is black and we have two children... “Ya two parent households are impossible for non whites - liberal“ Pretty ignorant and xenophobic statement you made there

[@MrChillerNo1]

Ben Shapiro has no clue of sociology... that's obvious.

[@MatthewBaran]

Thats because Ben just needs to say things quickly to confuse his followers to thinking he knows anything.

[@MatthewBaran]

@Way to go, Craig it would be nice if that was true, but its not. Its all the same word salad. Same with Dave rubin and Jordan Peterson.

[@zellfalcon31]

@Way to go, Craig He knows some things but Shapiro only delves deep enough into such topics when it benefits his position then stops and ignores other facts about the topics he discusses. To say the left ignores all facts is really disingenuous. Global Warming is a issue pushed by the left and its overwhelmingly correct.

[@dabulls1g]

@Way to go, Craig how is pakman a racist at all? he’s dissecting a discussion between shapiro and rogan and acknowledging actual facts about racial inequality.

[@beentray8403]

hardly a bad thing, as sociology is pseudo-science

[@thebullet7874]

It’s like telling the addict, the alcoholic, to not use the drug, don’t pick up the first drink. It’s not that simple. Telling a Black teen who’s been subjugated to his environment to not use a gun, don’t shoot, is over simplified. There’s a solution. Acknowledge the problem and provide services, lots of social services.

[@adamsharkey9579]

Ben Shapiro's appearances on JRE, are prime examples of how most of the right wingers who go on there, temper their radical side in a silly attempt to capture a portion of Joe's huge audience's support.

[@cloudofthought]

Exactly why, if Joe is going to have them on, he is obligated to bring up the extremely bigoted and stupid things they have said and support. Sometimes in the past he has succeeded in this. Stefan Molynuts comes to mind. But too often he lets them get away with spreading propaganda.

[@marklatham1414]

And usually Joe takes weak positions and never really challenges them. Here I was pretty happy to see Joe push back on the race issue with Ben.

[@bg808s]

Exactly. Interviewing right-wingers like Shapiro accomplishes nothing, it gives them a broader platform to spew their propaganda, and trying to reason with them is pointless since they're immune to facts as we clearly see in this interview and anything else involving the Trump cult like Shapiro. Just look at the comments in that video to see how right-wingers twist any narrative to fit their agenda. It's very possible Joe Rogan is actually trying to have an intelligent conversation about policy, and I agree that many times the answer does lie somewhere in the middle but you can't have an intelligent conversation with someone who doesn't believe in facts, or science, or truth. And trumpers like Ben don't believe in either of those.

[@butHomeisNowhere___]

@a' la mode Joe is massive strictly BECAUSE he platforms people of all walks of life.

[@Grimm_Butterfly]

@a' la mode Joe is specifically against censoring these conversations because ppl need to see good ideas win against bad ones

[@chexmix0101]

So Ben’s “just do the right thing” is bs since rich people do the wrong thing all the time yet they receive no punishments

[@markymark863]

@Windigo Jones Nearly anyone who becomes wealthier than a physician is a criminal on some level.

[@generalsaufenberg4931]

@Windigo Jones ‘Behind every great fortune there is a crime’ -Honore de Balzac

[@markymark863]

@Windigo Jones If you believe billionaires make it so far by being smart alone, then you're naive. You have to step on people and exploit people, you have to cheat by price fixing, you have to have political connections (bought politicians), etc.

[@markymark863]

@Windigo Jones Btw, skirting laws by hiring 7 figure attorneys to find loopholes for you is just as bad as breaking the law.

[@raincadeify]

Yeah: Manafort, Cohen, and Stone all out while Leonard Peltier is starting his 5th decade for something he didn't even do... And now trump is wishing Maxwell well.. Translation: "Keep your mouth shut and the pardon's on it's way."

[@bratgame8005]

Ben is a very unlikable person. Clearly raised with privilege.

[@B.White70]

A paid shill in my opinion.

[@chateausteel1885]

He’s a vile little man.

[@Godric_71]

And grew into severe ignorance and stupidity.

[@meghanphillips3495]

Have you seen his sister? She's Ben in drag and now she's trying to become a KZbin celebrity

[@baddie1shoe]

He is bigoted too.

[@WarrenBotes]

Damn. Joe Rohan is not as dumb as everyone makes him out to be.

[@Ciph3rzer0]

Sometimes.... I think he's a net positive because he pushes back against the absolute dumbest conservative talking points.

[@kalani2738]

he's pretty stupid at times though lmao

[@gadaffi1000]

Not a difficult distinction when up against Ben 'th, th, th. that's all folks' Shapiro.

[@ramayaruk]

Only people that don’t listen to him think he’s stupid. ie judging a book by its bald, beefy cover

[@zachconneely2701]

People get mad at him for having these right wing speakers on his show like Ben Shapiro, Candace Owens, or Stephen Crowder, but he always challenges their beliefs and pushes back against their talking points.

[@ilikepudding09]

I'm surprised he didn't suggest that the solution would be for black people to buy houses in richer neighborhoods. There is precedent.

[@caroljomartin3051]

Did you listen to the entire podcast? He's dumb enough to say something like that...

[@PenguinApple]

Nah, the precedent would be for something like "Don't you think black people will sell their houses to rich people for a lot of money?"

[@tralph40]

ilikepudding09 The republicans are warning suburban "housewives " that democrats want to let low income people into their neighborhoods and trying to scare them into voting for trump. Really shows a repressive agenda.

[@couldbe8348]

Read Thomas Sowell or Jared Taylor-perhaps you’ll begin to see another side of the argument.

[@calvinfisher5886]

Joe sounds like he's tired of explaining logic to people

[@magnumpci]

Except that is not what he did. While he has solid points, and respectable opinion, its an appeal to feelings not a roadmap to a solution.

[@forestappalachia6047]

I think he expects Ben to talk fast so he intentionally spoke slowly to control the tempo of the conversation

[@DrArthurCGarp]

@@magnumpci It really isn't all appealing to feelings, it appeals to logic in the sense that Joe recognizes that just telling people "do this not that" isn't a good plan because it assumes everyone is the same. Ben Shapiro would have you believe that if kids work hard enough anything is possible but the truth is a kid who hasn't eaten in 24 hours and has no help at home isn't going to be as capable as the kid who got breakfast and has a tutor. Ben Shapiro has refused to recognize the fundamental inequalities that exist because of wealth and by extension America's history of racism.

[@magnumpci]

@@DrArthurCGarp If I could get away with just 'that's bullshit', I would - cause it is. Everyone is indeed 'the same' when it comes to that formula. If you do indeed work hard, make the best choices you can, the odds of success are overwhelmingly in your favor regardless of color. No one is waiting in the wings to put a foot on anyone's neck, quite the contrary. There is no shortage of white liberals waiting to chose a minority over a white (man). No one is dying of starvation in America because of 'institutional racism ffs! What you, and perhaps Joe here, are advocating for is clear, more of the same. Throw money at a problem that can't be solved with it. One need only look at the colossal failure of the 'War on poverty' that LBJ waged that - in part - made Detroit a dead zone for decades. Dont take my word for it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZoWvlq2PfMRoobs You want to help blacks today? Do what you can to have less than 74% born to single mothers. Find a way to have gun shootings not be the single highest cause of death for young black men. Find some solutions that revolve around family and values, something BLM has stated - on their website ffs - they are against, and not more money. Oh, and try to avoid any that have the police so underfunded that violence rules as it does in Chicago and NY now. There are way too many examples of minorities, especially blacks, working their ass off - coming from the worst of conditions - to have this argument hold water. It's the reason the left has to reach back in history as the examples of today are too few and not in any way 'institutional'. If there is any 'institution' that needs to end is that color should not be valued more than character - something the great Dr. King wished for.

[@DrArthurCGarp]

@@magnumpci I'm just going to ask this simple, yes or no question before humiliating you... Are you dumb enough to actually believe everyone is born equal? A child born in a warzone is not "the same" as a child born in a world of gluttony. Children who attend overcrowded classrooms with teachers who don't care are not "the same" as children who has perfect classrooms with highly accredited Professors and Teacher's assistants. A child who can't eat on weekends is not the same as a child who eats 3 square meals a day. Why do you think rags to riches stories are so exciting? Why do you think we still teach the Great Gatsby? Everyone, EVERYONE understands hard work can get you ahead but that hard work doesn't erase all your issues. Does studying history feed Jacob? Does it pay his mom's bills? Does it change who his peers are? You say make the best choices and the odds are in your favor but what if your choices are between a gun and a noose? What's best then? What's best when you have no choices, when the police hate you, when society says "That's no minor, that's a future convict", when there's an entire political party that will demonize you and desecrate your name just because. I don't advocate for throwing money at a "problem". I advocate for fixing schools, for fixing the justice system, for fixing politics, for fixing the half of the country that believes it's their right to burn America because they fear mortality and changes in morality. I want to fix the way we teach kids, I want children to not grow up in terrible environments because they had 1 or more bad parents, I want a world where people CAN'T be oblivious to the suffering of others. You say single motherhood is the problem but you ignore the school systems, the police, the politicians, and the lack of opportunities. You think the thousands of gang members in America are walking around thinking "Dang, if only I had a father I wouldn't have done any of this"? You think the children with fathers wouldn't toss them to the road just to hear their stomachs stop growling for 10 minutes? You think fathers would magically produce jobs and create job fairs and careers? It's so funny how Republicans are pessimists until it comes to black people, then everything is possible. Government intervention happening? That's not a crisis, it's just a "problem". School systems trash? Just do the work that qualifies you for nothing, it will all work out. You just got out of jail and turned your life around, ready to be productive? That's great and just ignore the fact you'll be homeless with no prospects and the cops are ready to jail you for Jay walking and whistling WBB.

[@williamjones7751]

The monopoly analogy is the best one I've heard for economic systemic racism.

[@Blackballoon567]

William jones yeah my thoughts exactly

[@thomasdidymus1393]

Agreed. Its a perfect analogy. ✊🏿✊🏽✊🏻

[@steveb8764]

100% agree.

[@misterdemocracy3335]

Yeah I think it’s a helpful continuation in response to “but the rules are no longer racist, we fixed it”. The other good analogy is the marathon example. When you factor in slavery, Jim Crow, institutional racism etc.. and all the effects on Black ancestry it is like a marathon in which one group was handicapped and held back for a significant amount of time and only recently permitted to join the race.

[@sageagbonkhese4091]

This is where it came from facebook.com/bbcnews/videos/341469173489669/

[@malcolmjelani3588]

Joe Rogan shows how very easy it is to dismantle Republican arguments.

[@stephenhowe4107]

Yes and no. The modern Republican party has gone wrong. They are making mistakes: over COVID, over climate change. Whenever the Republican party choose unreality, they have gone wrong. What USA needs is the old Republican party values, not the current one. And the same could be said about the Democrats. If the modern Republican has gone wrong, the Democrats are in a worse position. Just about every left-wing party in the West is the same. They all respond to the siren voice of Political correctness, Progressivism. Again I prefer the old Democrat party values not the new. This phenomena has been going on since about 1964 and most Americans have not noticed. The same is true in the UK with the Labour Party, Germany, New Zealand even Australia. Left-wing values mean death to the West. It is not just political parties, but Universities, Colleges, Media, Newspapers, Social Media, TV channels. They are all bastions of left-wing values. And most teachers, lecturers, professors are basically doing propaganda and indoctrination for left-wing values. But since there is a leftward drift for 50 years, there is no surprise there is a rise in right wing values over the past 20 years. It is a reaction. I am speaking from London, UK. I vote right (slight left of centre) because left is absolute suicide. Question: Name me a single country that has got higher living standards by following left-wing thought over the past 120 years? I don't know any. If you follow that fool Bernie Saunders and say Denmark, you can find on KZbin a video of the Danish Prime Minister explaining his country is not socialist. Nothing wrong with the American Dream, it can apply to all. Note, I would take Joe on., no problem at all. I would love to know his solutions to the ills of society. And I have solutions.

[@thetf8142]

@@stephenhowe4107 exactly, the right and left both are on the far end on the political spectrum than they used to be.

[@brandonp5929]

@@stephenhowe4107 it's not about being a socialist government but having social policies, policies directed at the masses and not the business leaders and elites. Denmark and most Scandinavian countries like Norway practice this and represent some of the most progressive and stable countries today (most have the top spots for happiest country). These countries practice these left/progressive policies with conviction and planning. Not to discount conservatism because it is beneficial for maintaining healthy budgets and various other laws, however it means they must ACTUALLY produce policies, working with other ideologies and not against them. The reason for the growth of progressive members is a result of people realizing how regressive a lot of our current systems are. More right wing growth is a counter result bent on destroying any hope of change all in the name of "culture". Instead of accepting their faults and growing as conservatives, they instead buckle down and attack anything different. In the USA, over the past 60 years, most national growth is at the hand of democratic policies because they tend to attack the issue instead of the symptom.

[@funghoul9124]

@@stephenhowe4107 well fucking done man......i agree

[@clusterflick6333]

@@stephenhowe4107 Dude, the world has been on a non-ending RIGHTWARD shift for the past 40 years. Reagan and Thatcher in the 1980's brought Conservatism back from the trashbin it had been in for the 50 years previous, applying Milton Friedman and the Chicago School's de-regulatory and state-shrinking ideas, then Bill Clinton and New Labour did the favor of pushing even the so-called left-wing parties in that direction as well, and that has been the status quo of Western politics ever since. Tell me, in what way is a world in which both the right and mainstream left are in AGREEMENT about laissez-faire capitalism a *left-wing* world?! You mention the "old" style of Democrats and the Labour Party. Well, let me tell you what the "Old" Democratic Party was, pre-Clinton. It was FDR's Democratic Party, the Party of the New Deal, the party that stood for strong labor unions, a strong social safety net, a robust and active state, and for a highly-regulated economy which the state made sure worked for the benefit of the PEOPLE, not the shareholders. And let me tell you something about the "old" Republican Party, pre-Reagan, as well: by and large, THEY STOOD FOR THE EXACT SAME THINGS. If you look at the economic policies of Eisenhower or even Nixon, they'd be decried as straight-up communists by the modern-day GOP. **That** was the status quo of American politics until the 1980's. For all intents and purposes, post-WWII America was, in effect, a social welfare state not much different from what Scandinavian countries are today. And you know something else? That period, post-WWII and pre-Reagan, with the New Deal economy and the welfare state in full effect, was the *longest sustained period of economic prosperity in American history*. Strong labor laws, powerful trade unions and a well-regulated financial market ensured that we had a healthy middle class, that the working man had an actual voice and muscle, that the country as a WHOLE prospered, not just the top 1%. But of course, as it always happens, we grew complacent with our good fortune. Reagan and the Chicago Boys came in promising easy money and preaching that it was perfectly okay to be a greedy soulless fuck, and later Clinton made sure to sell those same empty promises to the other side of the aisle as well. The welfare state was fucked into the air, and now, 30 years later, we're seeing the results: the middle class is completely destroyed, the country's economic policies work solely for the shareholders and for *literally no one else*, and economic inequality is reaching historic record-breaking levels, with all of the social chaos that usually entails. But make no mistake, on economic terms, the West back then was faaaaar more to the LEFT of what it is today, and that uninterrupted rightward shift we've seen for the past 40 years is pretty much the entire reason we're suffering through the woes that we are now. Reagan destroyed this country, Clinton poured salt over the ashes, and we've been suffering the effects ever since, with growing intensity each passing decade.

[@mattakudesu]

Ben is he type of person to tell a starving child in Africa to have some personal agency and eat some food if he wants to stop starving.

[@LDrosophila]

And then put the child into prison for his/her agency because they had to steal it

[@bobwilliams4895]

Way to prove that you dont understand anything he says.

[@Kavafy]

@@bobwilliams4895 No, way to prove that *you* don't.

[@BrandonCorby-wr5nd]

@@bobwilliams4895 Sell your beach house if oceans rise. Yes that is exact what you are saying. Ben we know you are using a fake name.

[@rashdaniel6693]

I would be willing to bet a large amount of money Ben has donated money to help starving kids. I have no evidence but you could take my money if I'm wrong.

[@nickeye4380]

Love this quote " Ben Shapiro is a dumb persons idea of a smart person"

[@chrism3973]

Ive only just heard of him. Not a good guy at first glance

[@BaldwinFanonGarveyTureShakurX]

This! Lol And I know ppl with doctorates who believes he has all the answers. 😩

[@ItsMe-qb6gl]

He graduated from Harvard Law at the age of 23. Yeah, he’s a real dummy 🙄

[@greggemerer8251]

How about this quote: “your quote is a dumb person’s idea of a clever quote”.

[@nickeye4380]

@@greggemerer8251 alright ben, take it easy big guy

[@cutl00senc]

It’s hard to pull yourself up by your bootstraps when you don’t even have any boots.....

[@tylr3669]

But it sure as shit is hilarious to watch the youngest congresswoman in history complain that the bootstrap analogy is bullshit, while being one of the best examples of it in history 😀

[@justingutierrez233]

@@tylr3669 okay and? Individual experiences don't affect the average and don't affect others that are not her. Outliers don't erase the reality for the majority of people. Very stupid point buddy

[@Josh-ck9bv]

Tylr it’s almost like if anyone can claim the analogy is bullshit it should be her

[@tylr3669]

@@justingutierrez233 an average is just a summation of individual cases, so you are literally wrong. The plural of anecdote is data.

[@tylr3669]

@@Josh-ck9bv shes a walking talking complaining version of it happening 🤣

[@padraigmcgrath3876]

"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread." - Anatole France

[@patrickobannon8924]

Good quote. Legal equality applied to people who are unequal in society can perpetuate, even exacerbate the issue.

[@thenewguy6839]

A war against racism eventually becomes a war against poverty, which was the conclusion MLK came to.

[@mjohnson1741]

And that's when the FBI started monitoring him and he conveniently was killed shortly thereafter.

[@rmanS2C]

He’s wrong. Ask serena Williams what she went through during child birth due to white supremacy. We need to dismantle white supremacy. Getting rich as a black person wont shield you from racism.

[@AnimeFreakish78]

No its not that it eventually becomes a war against poverty. Its that the war on poverty is exponentially more important than modern race issues. Racism just isn't a big issue in america. The issue is poverty. Oh but the rich people dont want you to know that

[@mjohnson1741]

@@AnimeFreakish78 Bacons Rebellion?😐

[@rmanS2C]

​@@AnimeFreakish78 The biggest issue is white supremacy. We live in capitalist society so there will always be poor people and I'm not saying poverty isn't an issue. But the main issue is people being mass incarcerated, black women being 5x more likely to die during child birth, and being economically subjugated due to the fact they're not white. There's nothing wrong with being poor but when you're poor because your ancestors couldn't get loans due to redlinning to invest in property which is the biggest way people gain wealth in the western world that is the issue. I feel like trying to relegate the issue strictly down to poor people is a distraction. We need to dismantle the idea of white supremacy. Speak to any rich black person they will tell you they're treated differently from their white equivalent. Just because they're treated better than other black people doesn't mean anything

[@otakuka3077]

"Its simple, just don't pick up a gun." Ben Shapiro just solved world violence.

[@leonc4657]

@Dutch Van Der Linde How about Tamir rice

[@leonc4657]

@Dutch Van Der Linde No he didn’t. You don’t even care enough to know the facts

[@leonc4657]

@Dutch Van Der Linde I got another for you. Amadou Diallo

[@leonc4657]

@Dutch Van Der Linde A toy, you dumb shit. And the 911 calls said that it was a toy. Not to mention even if it was a gun it’s an open carry state

[@leonc4657]

@Dutch Van Der Linde I think you got a gin in your hand, drunky

[@robkane3137]

Joe Rogan is casually dismantling Ben Shapiro, the "intellectual."

[@Arathurs]

To be fair, he is the only "intellectual" in that particular room.

[@Arathurs]

I'm referring to the room in his kind of course.

[@mikulas13]

Joe Rogan quietly DESTROYS Ben Shapiro. Joe is great here, patient, calm, composed.

[@al1665]

Imagine if they got in the ring

[@rickdoehler502]

Why do you refer to Ben as an intellectual? Because he talks like a disclaimer in a TV or radio add?

[@traog]

A problem with the "personal responsibility" argument is that a lot of choices are made for you before you have any self agency to make better decisions, like having the only school available to you being underfunded in a dangerous environment. These premade decisions have a lasting effect on a persons life, sure some very exceptional people still manage to rise above that, however few people are exceptional.

[@patrickobannon8924]

Good point

[@allaboutthemurzic]

You still choose to do it If someone shoots and kills an innocent person, they chose to pick up the gun and kil them You cant use “the system” as an excuse

[@khayotikk1]

Murder is never okay and there is really no excuse for the murderer, but it can be prevented with better education.@@allaboutthemurzic

[@badado]

​@@khayotikk1I wouldn't use absolutism and state that murder is never okay, because although a sin, I'm willing to bet. If you were willing to defend. A loved one. Or yourself against someone trying to inflict damage or kill you, it's not fair to say in those instances that murder would not be well justified if it meant you and a loved one. Surviving and becoming murder victims yourself. Just something to think about , life and realities of our world. Should often be looked at on a case by case basis and in the gray. Area... There are exceptions where the normally incorrect response would be the only real response to us.

[@OmniMale]

The problem with your view is that it negates all white communities that have the same issues.

[@karlarden6260]

I’m really gonna miss Michael Brooks.

[@raybc1011]

No, his sister said it was due to a pre-existing illness that he had no knowledge of

[@davec1406]

Read his book!

[@deadams8905]

Me too 💔💔💔

[@mkratos17]

Why couldn't it have been trump or someone terrible like him like tucker carlson

[@tripp8833]

Ray BC - what illness was it , specifically? Want to make sure i dont have it

[@Johnzay]

He will not and cannot admit he is wrong, even partially, because he’d lose his audience by showing weakness. The trappings of being a grifter.

[@Sharonformation]

Too bad his audience has no idea he's bought and paid for by fracking billionaires, the Wilks Brothers

[@johnnyjohnson5344]

Hes not wrong.

[@LastBref]

He probably doesn't know he's wrong. It's more likely he's committed to a certain worldview and always looks for evidence to support it while disregarding any evidence that contradicts it. Everyone does this to some extent, but since conservatives have larger amygdalas in their brains, they do it far more often. When a person hears evidence that contradicts their worldview, the emotional parts of the brain such as the amygdala and insula go into overdrive and react as if they're facing a real physical threat. Ben's so committed to his bootstraps, every-man-for-himself philosophy that he literally shuts down any empathy he would feel for another person, then looks for evidence to support his thesis that empathy is a bad thing.

[@IForgetWhatISay]

neds8111 the fact that you think people only break the law by choice is a sign of privilege

[@discipleofsakura]

@neds8111 The fact that you can't understand that the criminals who cause the *most* damage are the white collar criminals like Robert Stone, Paul Manafort, or Trump, and you love yourself those fuckers.

[@deldel5204]

That conversation was infuriating to listen to. It’s really hard for me to listen to ben Shapiro.

[@TenaciousTheSketcher]

Ben Shapiro refuses to acknowledge the laws that have hurt black communities in the long run. Deny a generation of folks equal access to bank loans, education, jobs, and were seeing the end result in a lot of communities that are currently plagued with this violence. Ben can never fathom what you have to do to survive in these communities,and as shown here, his answer is dOnT dO BaD things and it'll fix everything. For example, its already been shown with police violence, that black folk who do absolutely nothing wrong and they still are killed.

[@TheSurrealdreams]

@@TenaciousTheSketcher The 1994 crime bill that Biden helped write certainly hurt the black community. Do you agree?

[@joikmorais2199]

@@TheSurrealdreams no one on the left denies that, not the candidate we wanted

[@TenaciousTheSketcher]

@@TheSurrealdreams you would have a strong point if my statement was "Joe Biden has always done good for the Black community!" But did I say that? Did you also go to the Ben Shapiro school of deflection and pointless statements?

[@TenaciousTheSketcher]

@UCG3GMsc_VM-baVNDii5t2xw LOL your statement had absolutely nothing to do with the original discussion. But please do explain, what is the point youre trying to make? How did you tie in Joe Biden with Ben Shapiro and what is your argument? Got any more super sweet lib pwning catch phrases? LMAO i think Rockinho Gatao deleted the comment this replied to. He said "my statement has a point, gEt MoRe EmOtioNal"

[@jessnevares7861]

The movie “Trading places “ is a perfect example of someone being a product of their environment. This is what joe Rogan is trying to make Ben understand.

[@drew63215]

Rogan: "50 plus years". Ben: "60 years". Rogan: "50 plus"....Rogan in his head "I established 50 as the minimum, but added plus to mean anything beyond 50....You Smart Idiot".

[@danieldaw1778]

The more I listen to things Ben has said, the more I'm convinced he's a highly educated moron. Part of me wants to attribute the stuff he says to genuinely malicious intentions, but some of it is so goddamn stupid it can't be in purpose.

[@TheLarknessMonster]

Daniel Daw He’s the epitome of an above average person who thinks they have the IQ of a super genius. Sure he’s smarter than the majority of people in a general sense, but often times he goes well above his own means and looks like a fucking idiot. He doesn’t know where his own limits of his own understanding is, which makes him look like the dumb smart person, as contradictory as that label may seem. That’s the main difference between him and Jordan Peterson. Peterson is smart enough to know when he doesn’t know enough to blabber about a topic. Ben does not. At least imo.

[@josephmoravec8146]

Saying 50 plus instead of 60 is like pricing something as $5.99 instead of $6. Significantly more people will buy something that is 5.99 even though 1 cent is a very small amount because they that it is much cheaper. Joe was using language to minimize the time frame subtly. Ben called him on it. This is normal conversation stuff not idiocy.

[@drew63215]

@@josephmoravec8146 Your comment is retarded and an Idiotic example. If I say "there were 100+ people at the concert", that means the minimum was the base or least number, and any number above that is acceptable when you don't know the exact number. Simple addition: 50+, can be any number...D.A.!!

[@TheLarknessMonster]

Joseph Moravec No it’s not like pricing. $5.99 is not the same as $5+. $5+ is more correct than $5.99 if the actual is $6.0. As $5+ includes $6 whereas $5.99 does not. It’s Joe not knowing the exact year, but knows it’s over 50 and near 50. Ben knew what he meant and corrected something that didn’t need correcting because technically it was correct and the detail of the exact specific year was not logically pertinent to the conversation.

[@jaece6245]

Same thing with the opioid crisis...it was so easy for minorities to “just say no” to drugs but the tables have turned and the response is different

[@AnthonySforza]

Funny thing is... That single mother parenthood is as prevelent today in White communities, as it was in Black communities during the Crack Epidemic. Whomp Whomp. It's also funny how "My mother accepted money to get rid of my dad" or "My mother had me solely as a meal ticket" almost never comes up with people who are pissed that they never amounted to shit. Nope... It's alllllways some "-ism" that's the problem. Not their Saint/Goddess mothers who threw them under the bus, en masse, without a second thought.

[@RealTakerslady]

When white ppl started being affected then it changed

[@JustinBlazzzee]

Is it different? I don’t know anyone on the right that is the least bit concerned with an opioid crisis. Maybe the people on the left care, but the right is pretty consistent when it comes to hardcore drug use. They don’t have sympathy.

[@IExpectedBSJustNotThisMuchBS]

@@JustinBlazzzee Unless it's happening to them and theirs. Trump addressed it with words (his primary way to address anything) when running for office because there were people in that camp concerned.

[@JustinBlazzzee]

@@IExpectedBSJustNotThisMuchBS I don't think a candidate mentioning something one time somehow indicates that a major platform of the party is the thing that was mentioned one time. I can promise you that the sympathy for drug use in the conservtive community is very much met with indifference. And even that is probably overstating its importance to the right.

[@Ssalamanderr]

Personal agency only matters as much as the choices you have in life. People growing up in poverty have less choices, and much more severe consequences for failure than rich people.

[@alandgomez5905]

Exactly. I think some people have a hard time understanding this. Or...it's willful ignorance.

[@justingutierrez233]

@@alandgomez5905 mostly wilful ignorance tbh

[@xx4rch4xx]

I knew this but I wasn’t able to articulate it in such words. Thanks for that!

[@ricardocabeza6006]

Ohhh. So it’s a poverty thing... not a race thing. Or are you implying all black people are poor?

[@yaddar]

@@ricardocabeza6006 lack of agency is a poverty thing The face a lot of black communities have been historically neglected to the point they end up in poverty has to do with racism The two concepts are not mutually exclusive

[@brams9938]

Excellent analogy of your "monopoly rules."

[@maargenbx1454]

I’ve been using the Monopoly analogy for years. I state it a bit differently, though: imagine you’re playing Monopoly, and every time you pass Go you get the $200 but have to give it to your opponent. Your opponent also gets $200 for passing Go, and gets to keep and spend what s/he earns and what you earn. If the same rules start to apply to both of you after your opponent has bought up all the best real estate, can it ever be considered a fair game? It’s not just a matter of not starting out with as much - it’s a matter of your efforts actually keeping you destitute but enriching your opponent.

[@DarkSpaceStudios]

@@maargenbx1454 I feel like this game illustration applies for everyone who's living paycheck to paycheck. Almost like an anti-capitalism thing. If you're born poor it's naturally more difficult to get out of that situation. You're delt a bad hand. This seems more like an issue on poor communities that need help. Better teachers, more police, and action of breaking the division between the different communities. Racist History has definitely delt black people the worse hand and it has snow balled over time. Just throwing money at the problem won't fix the root problem. Which is dangerous communities, public division, racist people with racist ideologies, and people needing more opportunities.

[@nikolajakimovski8882]

If you join monopoly late you don't get to be the car your stuck with the thimble

[@brankobelfranin8815]

Chupete Suazo?

[@ofimportance5458]

@@DarkSpaceStudios you’re mixing class with race.

[@brendondonoho270]

Ben Shapiro is far less impressive when he’s not on a stage, with a microphone, yelling at college kids with no media training. 😂😂

[@Alexander-kc8oq]

Billy Bob I’m impressed by his lung capacity. He talks like 30 % faster than a normal person and never seem to run out of breath

[@Nerdiness1985]

@@Alexander-kc8oq Helps when you think very highly op yourself and you just rattle off things rehersed a 1000 times over. Seak for an hoour............say nothing in the meantime.

[@thebluedragon07]

Watch his BBC interview, he gets so defensive that he turned the interview and made feel like he’s being interrogated, even though the interviewer wasn’t even doing that. And the man conducting the interview was a well know conservative in Britain on the BBC.

[@Lichenroc]

@@thebluedragon07 Watched that it's one of the videos where it says that Shapiro got destroyed. I had to watch the arrogant ponce get taken down a notch.

[@sm1purplmurderedme583]

yess

[@deeyablo]

"I don't see an alternate solution." Translation: I see alternative solutions, but acknowledging that fact means that I have to abandon my political talking points, so I will pretend they don't exist.

[@spielunker8438]

See: Incredulity, Argument From Personal.

[@munster1404]

That’s actually Ben Shapiro’s feelings taking precedence. Sort of hypocritical.

[@deathitself6985]

That impact of history BS sounds like saying everyone has problems

[@DavidTSmith-jn5bs]

@@deathitself6985 That's basically correct. It' almost like saying "My Jewish grandpa went through the same problems that YOUR Black grandpa did and pulled himself by his bootstraps. Why didn't YOURS?" Clueless AND White-Privileged ignorant...

[@BrianRouse]

Pretty much this.

[@wileyput]

Ben's voice is absolutely infuriating. The ideas he's pushing makes it even worse.

[@cindys2995]

PUNCHABLE!

[@baddie1shoe]

Cindy S -exactly!!

[@davidemonaco1146]

Bitchy Babysitter he sounds like a cat in heat that u want to put down

[@lukefoale8381]

He is gish gallop incarnate.

[@SteveDorrans]

Play him at x0.75 speed and he sounds normal. However I prefer x0.5 because he sounds drunk and it fits nicely with him talking total BS.

[@suvariboy]

I don’t always agree with Joe Rogan. I agree with him here.

[@JT76912]

@@jacoboc2244 how did this country start though? hmm the whites were put at the top and any other race was at the bottom. Why do you think we always here about blacks and hispanics killing themselves and not white people? because of the history of this country racism and classism is the same when it comes to America.

[@Facts-Over-Feelings]

@@jacoboc2244 WTF

[@Facts-Over-Feelings]

@@jacoboc2244 CLASSISM AND RACISM IS A DOUBLE WHAMMY IF YOUR BLACK IN AMERICA WHERE THERE HAS BEEN LAWS TO DESTROY BLACK AMERICANS THAT BUILT THIS NATION AND NEVER GOT REPARATIONS. THEY ONLY GOT CIVIL RIGHT IN 1965 AND THATS ONLY ON PAPER. NOT IN PRACTICE..

[@anthonystefani9242]

He makes very fair points and acknowledges it's not a simple issue

[@parkermudsen1063]

It’s just fascinating how Ben can deny that systemic racism exists, yet he’s all in on claiming anti-semetism exists.

[@richardofoz2167]

Good point, but be careful where you say that or you will instantly be branded anti-semitic yourself.

[@oremfrien]

Those aren't parallels. The equivalent of denying systemic racism exists would be to deny that SYSTEMIC antisemitism does not exist and the equivalent of denying the existence of antisemitism would be denying racism per se. I would actually expect Ben Shapiro to deny systemic antisemitism and accept the existence of racism per see. His point is consistent, if stupid.

[@parkermudsen1063]

@@oremfrien but ben has repeatedly railed against the Left’s advocacy for Palestinians as inherently ant-semitic, and in particular, he’s railed against the liberal media for largely ignoring violence against Jews as anti-semitic.

[@oremfrien]

@@parkermudsen1063 I would agree that you have characterized Ben's position correctly, but how would those things be "systemic antisemitism"? Some examples of "systemic antisemism" would be: (1) if Jews were more likely to be charged with crimes on account of their being a Jew, (2) if Jews had unique difficulties amassing wealth that other groups did not have, (3) if Jews were kept out of the halls of power, etc. Of course, these things are not happening, so there s no "systemic antisemitism" in the USA at current, but this certainly would have been accurate about 100 years ago.

[@miguelpereira9859]

I don't think Ben would argue for the existence of systemic anti-Semitism

[@itomba]

His argument is just like the simplistic “Just Say No” anti drug campaign from the Reagan administration. That was real successful with young white kids right?

[@TheCaptain773]

great comment, and let’s not talk about how many blacks were imprisoned during that time for drug “use”... Now today there’s an opioid problem in white communities and they’re sent to rehab

[@derek10w]

Cant fix stupidity and/or natural selection

[@Competitive_Antagonist]

If someone says to "simply not do it" then they most likely have never been in their shoes. People make bad decisions because it seems like the only option for them or they've been pushed to breaking point.

[@J.B24]

I used to work with a black guy who was like 42-43 around 2016. He is the first person in his family that was born with full civil rights. For the last 200 years all the men in my family has had full civil rights. For women, it came in the last 100 years. Black people -- only 50 years ago.

[@mjohnson1741]

Correct! The Naturalization Act of 1790 which prohibited anyone who WAS NOT white from going through the naturalization process to become a citizen, it wasn't repealed until 1952! This is one of the many MASSIVE contributing factors to wealth inequality among race groups. The Naturalization Act stripped minorities of a multitude of rights and advantages given ONLY to whites. They were denied their "civil rights" that comes from being a citizen. They couldn't vote, run for office, press charges, own property buy land etc...California Alien Land Law of 1913 piggybacked off this law to prohibit Asians from purchasing land because whites didn't want them as competition. Majority of land in the United States is owned by whites not because they "worked harder" and "pulled themselves up by the bootstraps." Quite the contrary they eliminated competition and didn't have a lot of melanin in their skin.

[@J.B24]

@@mjohnson1741 I agree with you.

[@J.B24]

@jon pork I'm not sure about that but whatever we were denied, we were still treated as citizens. The blacks haven't had that privilege until about 50 years ago (on paper that is).

[@mjohnson1741]

@jon pork 😆😄

[@J.B24]

@jon pork You are correct and I have edited the comment but I hope you're not implying that the experience black men and women have had, and the experience white women have had are the same.

[@leahvogel5527]

Shapiro is such a disingenuous, pseudo intellectual. How anyone takes him seriously is beyond me

[@sdi1111]

Shapiro is a salesman with the gift of the gab - no more!

[@johnbronson8928]

I always use intellectually dishonest but disingenuous, pseudo intellectual just got added to the quiver. Thanks!

[@johncrow5552]

What have you said that proves your statement? Your statement is Nothing but an ad hominen attack on Ben.

[@The-Devils-Advocate]

@@johncrow5552 The way I understand it, they aren’t trying to say that his arguments are bad because he is a pseudo-intellectual, but rather that he is a pseudo-intellectual because his arguments are bad. It seems like a claim, not a critique.

[@kylezo]

He says things that racists and bigots want to hear, so they don't care whether he has integrity, only that he parrots their preferred worldview, because he is a bigot.

[@aliz.5305]

I'm Latina and I grew up in a wealthy community thanks to my grandfather being a doctor. He was an immigrant and because of his professional background and education, he was granted easy access to US citizenship. Thanks to his money, the rest of that side of the family was able to get a decent start in California. My mother's side came here as political refugees from Central America. My grandmother worked as a maid and that side lived in a very rough neighborhood. On that side of my family, only 1 out of my 6 cousins went on to graduate school. 1 other one got an undergrad degree and stayed out of trouble. Those 2 got scholarships in early childhood to go to private school thanks to social programs. As for the rest, they were stuck in public school. 1 was murdered at 18. 1 was jumped into a gang at 12-years-old. The other 2 have struggled and didn't graduate high school. I spent 1 year living with my mom's side of the family in that rough neighborhood and it changed the way I saw the world. The dysfunction, mental illness, addiction and violence I witnessed was inescapable. All of the children in the neighborhood displayed symptoms of PTSD. You are on flight or fight every single day. When I finally left and moved back to the suburbs, it took awhile for me to snap out of the mentality and behaviors I had developed from my time there. It took me awhile to stop seeing someone staring at me as threatening and worthy of physical violence. When I went back to the suburbs, the police behaved differently and were so kind to people. They weren't like that in the City. People say that you have to "want it" to get the most out of life. My question is, what is "it"? You and I know what it is but in these communities, the kids aren't being taught to aim for the stars or that there's more to life than what they see. The adults are struggling to survive which takes a powerful toll on mental wellbeing and/or are addicts. There is so much violence in and outside of the home. They view wealth, college and even medical care as something for rich people. The way they get treated and looked down upon by outsiders confirms the belief that they are NOBODIES. Yes, personal accountability is important but unless you know what it's actually like to grow up in these communities (whether it's rural or urban) and you've walked in their shoes, you have no real idea!

[@ea7109]

I love how you explained this 🧡

[@SinewRending]

Thank you.

[@for.u925]

you put my thoughts into words tbh

[@for.u925]

I also lived in a rural neighbor hood 2 years in south ca and 3 in Mexico. Changed my whole my perspective

[@maloriejohnson8373]

Thank you for sharing your story. I wish more people would try and understand the issue from this perspective!

[@jillgrimwater3726]

Ben Shapiro; when you want to hear what a whiny little boy sounds like

[@shrek813]

He is so annoying im actually surprised he doesnt get bullied by the right wingers

[@jillgrimwater3726]

@Prawn Stars I'd like to think it's a mix of all the above

[@Cassie-Nova-]

I disagree but ok

[@keithgreenan1850]

He sounds like a puppet

[@johnphoenix1175]

I wonder who would win a whiny competition between Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson.

[@trubblefoundit7056]

Benji: “The faster I talk, the righter I am” (0.024s)

[@josephsack4918]

Please, he's said many times that this talking thing is just part of his family as a Jewish boy. (I can confirm since I'm a Jew). That's a Jewish stereotype. You people need something else to attack him on

[@cfnretro6448]

Did he really say that?

[@Alvan81]

@@josephsack4918 It's not the rate that's the problem; it's the effect, intent, and context. He's in a debate. So talking fast means he's glossing over points. He's frequently not actively listening. He'll make two arguments in the time allotted for one, forcing the other person to let one argument slide unanswered. This *is not* his family situation, so thats a lame and disingenuous excuse.

[@wick7201]

@@josephsack4918 Why do you have too direct it as him attacking Ben it’s simple criticism especially in a subject such as debate.

[@Umbrellacorporationmt]

@@Alvan81 he always talks really fast.

[@surfwriter8461]

For a refreshing change, this is Joe Rogan the more sensible and critically-thinking person in the discussion. Yes, David is right to emphasize that personal agency and other approaches--I would say bromides, often--don't work well if you have no family or historical models around you. But it's much more complex than that. Even if someone in poor, perhaps crime-ridden community has a more effective historical perspective or role model in their life, too many find they have to work much more to prove themselves when competing against privileged, or more advantaged white people in education, the workplace, etc. I've heard many black people relay their personal experiences with just that message conveyed. And despite what David says about the rules supposedly being "fixed," he ignores the fact that personal and institutional racism continues to play out nevertheless--black businesses unable to get business loans or being given worse terms on a loan, employers failing to hire the black or Hispanic candidate but not admitting it was at least partially out of racial motivation; realtors steering black people away from certain neighborhood out of racial motivation, schools that are so much better in funding and resources in better neighborhoods than those in poor minority-dominant neighborhoods, where many teachers don't even want to teach because of the greater obstacles, etc. People like Ben Shapiro operate with distorted logic, blinders, unacknowledged privileges and biases, and simplistic thinking that is partly aimed at relieving them of any guilty or responsibility for further leveling the playing field.

[@oblivionpro69]

The fact that poverty contributes massively to crime just goes right over Ben’s head. You want an alternative solution Ben? Fight poverty. But we all know that isn’t in your wheelhouse.

[@mr.eliteaz2385]

Yeah actually he made that point many times to fixed poverty in higher crime rate neighborhoods. Gotta ask are dumb, stupid or dumb

[@calebwinfield1403]

You say something went right over his head and isn't in his wheelhouse, but you didn't even read all of what he said lolz

[@Dutch_Engineer_Piff_Dahnk]

Yeah but liberals think 2 parent households are too difficult for pocs.

[@jw1714]

I got 15 on him never responding to any of these comments and he probably shares a lot of the same view points with Ben but his pre conceived notion of him is blinding it.

[@oblivionpro69]

@@jw1714 I see all these people claiming he would agree with me, yet all that I've ever heard from Ben Shipiro's mouth would indicate otherwise. I didn't watch the whole podcast but I've repeatedly listened to Ben argue against any kind of government programs that would help alleviate poverty and from what I can tell he seems to be more or less a trickle down economics charlatan. He's also in favor of policies that hurt the impoverished such as marijuana criminalization. I have literally sat here and listened to this guy argue passionately that racial profiling is actually a good thing... so if your going to tell me that Ben is actually not the person I think he is, then enlighten me. What does he believe we should do to help the impoverished? He's against M4A and basically any other program of assistance I know of so what's his plan? I've got 15 right now that says Ben couldn't give a shit less about the poor but please feel free to disagree.

[@kingpinpasta2934]

Okay it’s obvious that Ben knows that there is Systemic Racism, but he’s not allowed to admit out of fear of pissing off his audience

[@n.m.9938]

They pay his bills... ...and his doctor wife

[@jjsiegal1]

Don't get confused Ben Shapiro would destroy Rogan in a debate. And and Joe knows it. Joe is being obsequious here looking for approval.

[@WW-br9tp]

@@jjsiegal1 what happened there was an informal debate, surely?

[@dracoargentum9783]

or deep down he knows, but is afraid to admit it to himself.

[@couldbe8348]

I wish he would just say outcome differential is likely due to differences in average level of intelligence between racial groups.

[@mollyesther1]

I’m flabbergasted at how calmly Joe is walking him through this. Ben is so used to riling people up and then playing off their emotional reactions.

[@sojiroumakairyu5143]

joe probably smoked a fat one before this interview 😅

[@MegaeffinGarchomp17]

Thats Ben Shapiro'd main technique. Then he champions himself logical while they are emotional. Ben is a good debater, but he is wrong on a lot of points

[@dylanwight5764]

@@sojiroumakairyu5143 He's a pure bred Hufflepuff alright!

[@scottparker9078]

That's what Joe always does unless it's a silly interview.

[@fmellish71]

@@MegaeffinGarchomp17 that's a very good point to make. being right doesn't make a successful debater

[@jennacca13]

Shapiro sounds like he's voiced by a Disney voice actor.

[@odinisnotthesomefather4687]

An actor breathing helium and drinking too much coffee.

[@waseem__600]

Respect Voice actors

[@LeVezz]

He‘s at 1.75 speed

[@daviddurango9562]

As a white guy who was married to a black woman, I can tell you how it is. My wife and I went to a new dentist. He offered credit for our dental work. He didn't realize that the two of us were married. He made a much better offer to me than he did to her, and she actually had the better job at the time. He got caught red handed as to what he did. When confronted with the truth, all that dentist could do was act defensive, but the truth was right there on paper. He didn't know we were a couple, and he got caught. Too bad...other than his obvious racism, he was a good dentist, but after that we had to move on.

[@nodecorn]

Could it just be the dentist thought he could take advantage of a woman easier than a man. Like you hear mechanics do with auto repairs. Is it necessarily racism? Maybe it was sexism :)

[@drew9496]

could it be a difference in credit score OR the specific procedures being done?

[@nodecorn]

@@drew9496 That is most likely

[@kevinxkamis]

nodecorn uh that’s still problem too, doesn’t make it any better

[@EricGrotheJr]

Doesn’t mean he’s racist. Maybe he had better rapport with you. Not a great example.

[@23ofSeptember]

Ben opposes anything that's against Israel, says its anti-Semitic, yet when it comes to blacks, he just opposes everything and blames blacks.

[@tecumseh821]

@mr big yet most american jews are against the occupation of Palestine and some of the most critical people of israel are Jewish

[@michaedove3562]

@Mr. Slickwordsmith 8 BILLION a year. Think about that for a bit. How much our poor communities could do with 8 Billion.

[@javm2825]

Ben Shapiro regularly sais that disagreement with Israel is Anti-Semitic. Many Jews disagree with Israel. Anti-Semitry is a form of Bigotry, bigotry is a assertion about a group based on the behaviour of some individuals in the group. As Such Asserting that disagreeing with Israel is Anti-Semitic, is in and of its self Anti-Semitic. So by this reasoning. Ben Shapiro is an Anti-Semite

[@warhammer1]

What I find hilarious is how he (indirectly or otherwise) supports trump, and white supremacists, the very people most known for hating Jews.

[@tecumseh821]

@@michaedove3562 last time i checked israel got 4 bill, egypt and columbia get 2 to 3 billion but hey, that somehow dosent contribute to conspiracies. Yea, israel is a puppet state of the US, just like lots of south America and Asia

[@MidTierVillain]

Ben is purposefully ignorant, when he’s quite intelligent- but, he chose to grift for the extreme right.

[@garyluciani370]

Intelligent but purposely ignorant, to me in regards to Ben shapiro means he's lying; regardless of his motivations.

[@byteresistor]

money

[@cideryeti7957]

This is why I call him ben "sonderkommando" shapiro. Although those poor sods were forced to do the work at the ovens. bennie works for the reich wing by choice.

[@justanothernick3984]

I don't think he is purposefully ignorant. But he can't concede because of his values. His whole persona would shatter. He is defending his ego to some extent. Say someone showed you proof that your mother makes a living as an exotic dancer, just to soften it down. It would be a hard pill to swallow given the impact it would have on your core values, if you were to have said values. You probably get my point. Edit: Sorry... That is what purposefully ignorant is... But I don't think he does it for the grift. Maybe I'm too gullible and nice.

[@FakingANerve]

I'm not sure he is, to he honest, given his mannerisms, facial gestures, and body language. He's either one of the greatest actors of all time or he's a true believer in the things he says.

[@Habitual_Liar]

You can tell Ben has lived his entire life in a bubble.

[@patrickobannon8924]

Yes that's always the problem

[@mars6541]

Thats most caucasians in general

[@USisHasbeenInfiltratedbyZionis]

Yeah, that's how Zionism works. Zionism is a CULT.

[@ghoulish6125]

​@@mars6541lmao and you saying blanket statement, racist bullshit like this just goes right on over your head, huh?

[@mars6541]

@@ghoulish6125 that most caucasians live in a bubble? That’s racist? Wow your sensitive

[@criticalrethinker7500]

Another problem with the rules is that the rules are not all equally enforced among all people.

[@solangegregory4810]

To this day we still have studies showing resumes with black sounding names are tossed aside much more than white sounding names on resumes, even when the qualifications are equal. No law can really control that. There’s still a lot of work to be done

[@fowlae4414]

@@solangegregory4810 It's not an institutional problem (in this scenario) as much as a cultural problem. Racism is embedded in our culture. To fix this, we need better schooling. The American public school system is an absolute joke.

[@Fuar11]

@@solangegregory4810 that's not so much a racist thing as much as it is an unconscious thing. Now sure there are certainly cases where people do that on the basis that they are racist against people that commonly have those names. But there are certainly cases where people do that unconsciously without attempting to be discriminatory or segregational.

[@mbrightster]

@@fowlae4414 More even than that. American Education is completely effortfully whitewashed. All text books and curriculum is devoid of black or women parricipation, asside from a few that could not be ignored.

[@j.akelly9775]

@@solangegregory4810 this has been shown to happen no matter the race of the interviewer. That’s a human trait, not racism.

[@ScorpionXII]

Ben: Don't tell kids they are at a disadvantaged, tell them to look at grandpa. Gandpa: Back in my day... we had nothing because of Jim Crow Laws and Red Lining.

[@possiblymaybe6711]

@AdamBreez it is though. He said why don’t people look up to their hard working successful grandfathers. Which last time I checked most black peoples grandparents were put through hell just the other day

[@themightyquyn]

@@possiblymaybe6711 which admittedly Ben says wholesale discrimination was a problem 60 years ago; someone's grandfather's timeline.

[@Dnell-tb1yd]

@AdamBreez why were you blaming anyone other than those responsible? Are you implying that black people are not and have not worked hard enough?

[@Dnell-tb1yd]

@@themightyquyn 60 years ago? Red lining didn't stop until the 1980's!!

[@themightyquyn]

@@Dnell-tb1yd point to where I said it wasn't.

[@faulker2p]

They got Ben Shapiro we got David Pakman. We win.

[@freddiemercury4evr]

👏👏👏👏

[@alandgomez5905]

By a landslide lol.

[@formulaic78]

Would love to see a debate between them.

[@palestalemale8831]

@@formulaic78 Ben would run scared. We saw what happened with Andrew Neill.

[@stevesand8845]

Formulaic 78 so would I, Pakman would wipe the floor with him

[@tylerbaer7240]

This “monopoly analogy” is actually brilliant and helped me grasp his view of racism so much better than literally any leftist Or liberal I’ve ever met or listened to. I think that guys like this should be the face of the left in America today

[@egontokessy1610]

Yep

[@chromebooktest1128]

i cant tell if youre conflating "left" and "liberal" or if youre just covering the spectrum

[@LisaRichardsonBrownsugar]

You’re at a race between a black guy and a white guy. The race is about to start…you see them start piling heavy chains on the black guy. They count down and a shot! The white guy is half way around the track…by the time he hits the finish line, the black guy finally…moves a centimeter. The white guy goes back to the start line. They remove the chains off the black guy. They countdown…there’s a shot! Before the white guy could leave the start line, the black guy was already at the finish! (I added that little tidbit!). LOL!

[@oldslowcoach]

@@LisaRichardsonBrownsugar bad analogy... they may have removed the chains, but then they threw a bunch of other obstacles on the track to take the place of the chains

[@LisaRichardsonBrownsugar]

@@oldslowcoach not really! We know in REALITY that there was more than obstacles in the black man’s way but as I said, I added that little tidbit. Wishful thinking/pleading.

[@Arathurs]

It's so disturbing that we still have to explain stuff like this...

[@rg9810]

Seriously

[@Wolfpax89]

Definition of White privilege

[@tonypollock9900]

That's the shit that infuriates me

[@Arathurs]

@@tonypollock9900 That's the thing that infuriates us all my brother.

[@italianwaffle5592]

You know, I don't think it is. I think we need to usher in an age of actually explaining things in-depth instead of using systemic racism and that as buzz words that we throw out without giving genuine meaning to them, I think that's where the misunderstanding stems from.

[@KrautKranky]

Shapiro looks like he's 15. With the matching attitude.

[@seanman1231]

J Engelmann You beat me to it, I was going to say, Ben Shapiro looks like he’s about 12

[@xdman20005]

You think highly of yourself, yet you comment on his appearance.

[@the_bottomfragger]

@Jaskaran Singh He's right though. Critisizing him for appearance instead of what he said doesn't show that he is intelligence. Not a fan of what Shapiro is saying here for sure but that's what I choose to focus on.

[@jonsmith7659]

I think he might have that Webster disease. Plus his balls never dropped and brains never came in.

[@MyStalkersArePostingMe]

@@jonsmith7659 lmmfao

[@ronaldk.wileyjr.5476]

A bigger issue is when grandpa or dad worked legally all their lives & still didn't get ahead.

[@lukemcguire6363]

Yer damn right!!!

[@arcticwanderer2000]

You think it is different for white people?

[@Toywins]

EXACTLY.

[@heruone3249]

Financial literacy plays a part. They took that out of schools doing the integration period

[@negadelph]

Yeah, my parents did this. They were unable to get ahead...I had to carve something out for myself.

[@Joesomebody73]

Breaking negative cycles is so difficult. It takes a community and personal effort.

[@patrickobannon8924]

Good point

[@konnerspears7964]

It takes not being an idiot. Who needs to be taught not to kill people? Are they not afraid of going to jail?

[@TheMightyWalk]

no it just takes one person having enough

[@taunocturna8845]

Ben "I talk fast so people will think I'm smart." Sharpio

[@formulaic78]

He is smart. Very. Whether he's right is another matter.

[@momszycat4148]

Personally I find him quite average.

[@formulaic78]

@@momszycat4148 You guys are all kidding yourself if you think he's not very smart. Deluded and utterly biased on many issues, yes, but a smart cookie.

[@momszycat4148]

@@formulaic78 I guess it's a matter of perception. He seems average to me which most ppl are. Compared to ppl with above average intellect he doesn't add up and that's not a put down its that I know ppl with above average IQs and I don't see him as one,that's all.

[@mderepository4147]

Ben “I structure the argument so I can pretend to win legitimate arguments” Shapiro

[@Jim-fb7kd]

For the first time ever, I was genuinely impressed with Joe. He countered Ben's yapping by calmly talking through him, neatly slicing his arguments apart, exposing Ben's position for what it is: pure, unadulterated hatred for people of color. Ben's argument is beautifully inane, neat in its stupidity: all problems can be fixed with a little elbow grease and a personal history that includes grandparents who overcame the hardships of a bygone era. In other words, an insufferable combination of abject ignorance and blatant projection, bowed neatly by an insistence that no perspective but his own - no ideas but his own - can approach the truth. David, you're a doll for trawling through this horseshit. The fact that a bootlicking fascist like Ben has an audience is proof that Hofstadter was right: anti-intellectualism is the American way. Let's do better.

[@Windwalker88]

@Billy Bob ahahahhahaa! Atrocious point

[@youwontlikemysteeze2945]

they love to talk about MLK, and quote him....as if he wasn't the most hated man in America, and assassinated.

[@adriangutierrez3196]

Man was on the fbi list and he actin like they saw him as Jesus

[@rexnemovi6061]

@@adriangutierrez3196 I suspect Shapiro not only wasn't born, yet, when they had MLK on the list, but he doesn't even belong to the Party that had him on the list.

[@SuperDeathunder]

Your making Ben’s point. Look how far we’ve come. From hated and assassinated to beloved historical figure. Today we can’t even get rid of Al Sharpton. Even worse they put him on tv and gave him a show. Fully retarded!

[@MelloCello7]

The problem is that there wasn't a single black person involved in a 16 minute video revolving black issues. Any dude subject to the system can tell you clearly what the effects of those systems far more lucidly than people from the outside looking in

[@CharlesReece-nr2wr]

When I listen to Shapiro or Alex Jones to me it is the same poop just a different shovel. It is good that Joe has them on once..... Shapiro is a one trick pony. If you venture even slightly out of his zone he raises his voice and speaks over the person. There is absolutely nothing new with Ben. If you heard him once you have heard it all.

[@ellaczeiner3974]

Ben is like that kid in middle school that plays devils advocate and corrects teachers to show his intellectual superiority when his entire personality hinges on an online is test that told him he has a 400 iq.

[@brogren802]

What scares me is that some younger people actually listen to his bullshit rhetoric. I have family that listen to his garbage and it's infuriating to me.

[@antoinecharlesdegaulle580]

@@brogren802 he doesn't always say BS he is knowledgeable about a lot of things so you can't just say that all of what he says is wrong because it is not. I listen to him too. But there are some things I disagree with him like this one

[@Tj_McQueen]

@@brogren802 Hahahaha yeah. How dare they listen to someone that doesn’t scream racism and bigotry at every little think that happens in the world. How dare they! 😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@antoinecharlesdegaulle580]

@No Name no

[@antoinecharlesdegaulle580]

@No Name He won't debate? He literally had a Sunday special talk with Jordan B and also he did phone calls last year where he talked with his fans he also talks about controversial topics with other people so don't speak without context

[@veksone77]

How are we three generations removed from Jim Crow? I'm 43, my mother lived under Jim Crow...

[@AbcDino843]

Generation is considered to be 20-30 years, so 1965, 1985, 2005, present. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation

[@FlamingNinjaBoi]

@@AbcDino843 Just goes to show how small the generational gap actually is, and that the previous generations can definitely have a lot of influence on the now. It's crazy to think that my grandparents were growing up in a world where black and white were separated, or that my mother was born while it was still happening. It was not that long ago. They remember, yet we conveniently try to pretend it's done and over with.

[@socaldarkangel]

Same here. I'm 42 and my mother lived under Jim Crow laws in the DEEP South of Louisiana. One of her close friends disappeared from her town and it was widely known that white segregationists took her most likely abused and killed her, but the police never bothered to search for her or arrest those most knew, where responsible. I learned more from her about the civil rights movement than I did in the public school system which was minimal. My mom is still alive today and just as tough as she was when I was a teenager. My step-father grew up in Alabama during Jim Crow and is also still alive. He normally is very docile and doesn't share much about his history. He's a Vietnam Veteran and unfortunately has some PTSD resulting to Alcoholism, but when he gets wasted he rambles on and on about some awful sh*T he experienced from his past and I listen. He's also still alive, although I don't know how with the amount of liquor he consumes. Point being, I get disgusted when I hear people say systemic racism doesn't exist, or that was soooo long ago its irrelevant now. My parents walk this earth from that era, how many racist aholes also walk the earth still and just like my parents teach me about the racism in this country, those same racists teach their children to be racist, but now they have to be undercover about it since you can't just call a Black person a filthy N***er anymore. And these arrogant trolls like Shapiro who've never stopped to get gas in a black community, let alone actually spend a few days with and speak with those Blacks whose lives he seems to know so much about than they do, he disgusts me, yet not as much as the go-to Black troll, Candice Owen, does. People like Shapiro love to parade their "see a Black person agrees with me, so that makes it truth" card around. Some of the most disgusting humans on US soil.

[@SuperDeathunder]

Right and look how far we’ve come in a short time. To look at the news and some peoples Twitter you’d think we are still living that way. Sad

[@packofredapples8]

We are three generations from Jim Crow (60’s)

[@rockitbitz]

Tip: for fellow Brits trying to understand what Shapiro is saying, in "settings" turn the playback speed down to 75%.

[@ladyv5655]

Considering the prejudice that Jews have historically experienced, Shapiro should understand institutional racism.

[@kylebatchelor8332]

name a racist institution

[@Supreme2k]

@@kylebatchelor8332 We've already learned the law enforcement system is racist. Oh, and whatever institution that you came from.

[@kylebatchelor8332]

Supreme2k How is it racist. i want you to tell me how. and how am i racist i didnt even say anything racist

[@kylebatchelor8332]

Supreme2k How is it racist, and keep insulting me it just proves your character

[@Supreme2k]

@@kylebatchelor8332 An institution where a black man doing nothing and submitting ends in his death, while a white man with a gun or battling with the police ends with a slap on the wrist. ...and you know what you did. You sound like Trump "Lots of people get killed."

[@TahtahmesDiary]

Does Ben think we dont tell our kids how hard our Ancestors struggled?! Really?! Does he not know ONE Black person???

[@happydude4472]

I don't think he does. He is a sad case for a political voice

[@arnabiarnab3037]

I doubt he has ever interacted with a black person in a meaningful way

[@TimNewmanGaming]

Probably Candace Owens but lets not go into that topic about her. I honestly can't stand her the most. Lol.

[@whatmeworry8472]

Actually his ancestors struggled quite a bit, that not a good argument

[@arnabiarnab3037]

What Me Worry and what did the Germans do after? ..... reparations.... the guy screams that there’s no racism in America while at the same time crying about anti-semitism.... he’s a partisan shill and a back

[@captainswag9324]

Ben Shapiro's 'arguments' crumble under a gentle breeze. His fast talking is the equivalent to never taking his hands off the house of cards to see if it can stand on its own.

[@CaffeineAndMylanta]

Captain Swag perfect analogies

[@captainswag9324]

@@CaffeineAndMylanta Ayy cheers 🍻

[@bronsonschnitzel7493]

Damn that's a good analogy

[@captainswag9324]

@@bronsonschnitzel7493 I knew a fellow back in school, who was on the Debate Team. Did the same exact thing as Shapiro. If you didn't get caught up in trying to address every little falsehood or paradox or personal slight that he spits at you, and focus solely on the matter at hand, you could sweep him under the rug without breaking a sweat. Like that BBC interviewer did to Shapiro, months ago.

[@TheLastAngryMan01]

Captain Swag Yes, agreed. Andrew Neil (then of the BBC) is a dyed-in-the-wool conservative, having written for a variety of conservative publications and donated to the UK Conservative Party, demolished Shapiro. And I’m not surprised because if I have more than a second to think about many of Ben’s proclamations (such as his Doctor wife being enslaved in the event of socialized medicine being implemented) then it’s obvious how absurd a lot of his positions are. But he speaks to the prejudices of many people in conservative America and that’s why he’s popular.

[@ducklord3604]

I find it funny how Joe is so calm and relaxed while Ben sounds like he's having an panic attack realising he isn't right about everything.

[@jearl35]

One of the issues being that if he admits this truth, then he has to acknowledge how much Israel holds down Palestinians. And...that is a no go-zone for Ben Shapiro.

[@javanmills6152]

Except the government doesn’t hold down African Americans? They’re in poor communities and live in a culture brought by those living standards. This is because of past discrimination, but how they live now are only scars. The community needs to unite to bring the change, which is Ben’s point. The Black community is holding itself back with self destructive culture. They need to work with/push local government as a community to help them fix their issues.

[@RemainWoke]

“They are lucky that what black people are looking for is equality and not revenge.”

[@edwardjones4874]

So True

[@maryreed9637]

Very wise words.

[@tatriceshipp9139]

Exactly

[@childofgod2471]

Isn't that from The West Wing?

[@fromdarkness9012]

No that’s Kimberly Jones that said that

[@cosmojenkins3020]

It blows my mind how stupid and disingenuous a person can be: He is so good, with his lawyer history and media training, at confidently making incorrect or fallacious statements in a convincing manner for ignorant people to buy into.

[@David-1216]

Messages In a bottle he just confirms their ideas and makes them feel superior

[@daywalker3735]

Right wing people don't use logic....they just like something because it sounds confident. That's why people like Trump.

[@con.troller4183]

I have a better title: Joe Rogan explains quantum physics to an amoeba.

[@HannibalOrJustRex]

Their conversation sounds like Garfield talking to Chip and Dale

[@eiffelpex]

😂😂

[@Antonius2085]

The issue with libertarianism/conservatism is that there seems to be a complete inability to see how the world exists beyond their own life experiences

[@fabin233theboss]

Yup everyone knows everything

[@ignignokt-6050]

Oh libertarians see how the world exists beyond their own bubbles. The difference is many libertarians simply don’t care. Its a special recipe of selfishness, greed, apathy and lack of empathy. The age old “i got mine so you better get yours or go f off somewhere”.

[@gee_emm]

Tony And a complete inability to be moved by alternative information when it is presented.

[@kylebatchelor8332]

gloriakmm You can say the exact same for a liberal

[@Antonius2085]

kyle batchelor yes there are bubbles on both sides but one of the bubbles is vying for the will/success/equality/pursuit of the American dream for the many and the other bubble (republicans) are a death cult willing to die and lie for an Orange Raisin that is president

[@JoNDOE66613]

Holy shit, I never thought I would see Joe Rogan standing up like this, its almost as if he is finally growing up.

[@julianlawrence-ball2279]

Ben Shapiro sounds like one of the films clips on Facebook that’s been sped up to avoid copyright infringement 😂

[@carbonether2912]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@johnz8843]

Rogan seeks a middle ground; Shapiro seeks to maintain his one-sided view.

[@mrwaltermathews]

Its only bad to be one sided when your side is so obviously wrong

[@sawyernorthrop4078]

Rogan is an excellent commentator because he still thinks of himself as a political amateur

[@mrwaltermathews]

@@sawyernorthrop4078 it's amazing how well it works in exposing some of these hacks

[@nicholasleclerc1583]

@@mrwaltermathews Very well said

[@couldbe8348]

The “middle ground is right” is a logical fallacy.

[@workbased683]

Ben Shapiro gets lost in his own contradictions so much that he can't realise it, Joe Rogan showed more critical thinking than Ben could ever have.

[@avezroberts709]

Thank you.

[@workbased683]

@David Orozco I don't listen with a bias view, listen to the context and understand what bias is. View everything without bias and always with an open mind, then understand the Dunning Kruger effect and how you're applying it to yourself and you will see what I mean.

[@alexhall8669]

Slow and methodical approach worked very well so he could think as he was speaking without getting lost with Shapiro's quick tongue.

[@Nick-kz6dg]

The Monopoly analogy made me think. The “everything’s okay today because the rules were fixed” means nothing if you’ve still got players who don’t play by the new rules.

[@lindai5192]

Or moreso, that everyone IS playing by the same rules, but he player who started late will not have access to buy the plum properties and utilities, because they have already been bought up. Once they've been bought up, the other players can also raise the rents, build houses, raise the rent higher, and then hotels. The player that started late will never be able to afford to stay in the game because everything is already bought and controlled by the other players that started earlier. There is no way out, and now way to win.

[@TRB0SICKS]

@@lindai5192 The difference between the analogy and real life would be, now there is reverse discrimination in the form of Affirmative Action laws.

[@lindai5192]

@@TRB0SICKS Affirmative Action laws are not reverse discrimination. Why don't you focus on the discrimination that occurs when people who started the race early don't feel the need to hire people from certain parts of society, even though they are qualified? Concentrate on THAT discrimination. THAT is what the analogy is about, and that is what Joe Rogan was talking about.

[@TRB0SICKS]

@@lindai5192 Affirmative Action is the definition of racist. Take college entrance, and employment for example... Colleges and employers have to admit/ hire certain people, not based on merit, but solely on the color of skin. Totally racist.

[@lindai5192]

@@TRB0SICKS Same old arguments for the horribly oppressed upper classes. Colleges and employers are not admitting/hiring certain people simply based on the color of their skin, they still have to be qualified. High school drop outs aren't being admitted/hired, even though you assume they are. You are only assuming that women(the biggest by far benefactors of AA) and underserved communities are not qualified and hired simply for being. Same myth for decades.

[@BrianMax]

I love Joe Rogan for having the patience to calmly explain things to Been Shapiro. A big part of being a conservative is being impervious to nuance and being unwilling and incapable of looking at any situation from another viewpoint. IE, completely lacking capacity for empathy.

[@allaboutthemurzic]

Imagine thinking “Conservative” automatically means wrong and “Democrat” automatically means right Both are equally full of shit

[@dorcaskerr6384]

Remember, thats is your OPINION about conservatives, & most would likely take your words & apply them to progressivez & libs

[@mansamusa4992]

@@dorcaskerr6384I agree 1000%

[@OmniMale]

What a complete lack of empathy and narrow mindedness you just displayed. Bravo

[@smrt424]

what an intellectually lazy way to phrase what you're trying to say.

[@spunkmire2664]

Little Benny has to have a lot explained to him.

[@drunkensailor3736]

If you have friends like Benny I would recommend this debunking of right-wing talking points about why blacks are overrepresented in police brutality and it also gives a comprehensive analysis of the solutions to police brutality: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4ashZKqmNWto7M

[@mattbruh3583]

yeah Ben so dumb lol

[@tripp8833]

I hate Ben but do we really have to make fun of his height??? Lol. I’m 5’8. Let’s make fun of his voice instead ...

[@hifam6451]

@@mattbruh3583 he ain't dumb, i think he's just driven strong ideologically and can't see the forest for the trees. Anyways, I seen enough shapiro to feel that, "Maybe nobody should take Shapiro seriously"

[@mattbruh3583]

Charlie David na na conservative dumb

[@nopeteys2424]

Ben is a perfect example of a political pundit who spends all of his time in his right wing bubble that when he’s questioned even a little bit his explanations of his ideas fall apart.

[@ChrisPBacon-zv4et]

"White fear emanates from knowing that white privilege exists and the anxiety that it might end"-Chris Hayes

[@zaireo73]

Thank you for this

[@ChrisPBacon-zv4et]

@Todd Wood closet racist isee lol

[@zekeharris6372]

@Steve Block it amazes me how people like you miss the point... you may have worked your way to a good life, many people do, even people of color. In fact people of color have worked 2 and 3 times harder to live comfortably. But @Steve Block I bet you never worried about any interactions with law enforcement, or your mother never had to worry when you left the house if you'd return safely. Or how about you never had to worry when your kids leave/left the house if they'd return safely. Well guess what @Steve Block women of color have to worry daily when they send their children off into the world everyday. So if you were trying to present yourself as not having white privilege... just know that your white skin allows you privilege to walk around in society without the fear of being taken out by society because you are a person of color.

[@sacmom3]

@@steveblock8650 , you lived the poor experience, not the Black experience.

[@Johonnac]

@@steveblock8650 Current example: During the insurrection, Congress took off their pins designating them as members, so as to be less of a target by blending in. Obviously, the BIPOC members did not have that privilege, capisce?

[@LogisticalHurdles]

Love how you delve deeper into these discussions and actually bother to explain how logical (or illogical) they are. Thank you also for saying what I've tried to explain to people about Ben Shapiro.

[@vvebvvaster]

Every time Ben Shapiro starts talking I have the urge to double-check my YT settings to make sure i don't have playback speed at 2x.

[@janetcampbell9286]

Yea, he talks like he's on uppers!

[@dracoargentum9783]

History shows (both personal and academic) that those that talk fast usually are trying to sell off a falsehood; and usually do it by shifting around the goalposts to confuse the listener, so when they realize the error in topic one, the fast-talker is off to topic three, all the while ending each topic with some style of agreement rhetorical question.

[@722Moo]

@@dracoargentum9783 and people who talk slow are most likely r3tarded

[@RmcBlueSky]

@@722Moo... Wrong. "speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far." Roosevelt described his style of foreign policy as "the exercise of *intelligent* forethought and of decisive action sufficiently far in advance of any likely crisis."

[@RmcBlueSky]

@vvebvvastee...me too. Is his high pitched voice.

[@andrew4437]

Has Ben ever made a rational thought about anything ever?

[@drunkensailor3736]

Facts over feelings, except when it's inconvenient. If you really want facts over feelings I would recommend this debunking of right-wing talking points about why blacks are overrepresented in police brutality and it also gives a comprehensive analysis of the solutions to police brutality: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4ashZKqmNWto7M

[@rorycannon7295]

yeah, the issue is that he connects it to false conclusions with irrational thought.

[@fearnothing2026]

No, but he says stupid things at a faster rate than anyone else on the internet, so all the idiots are naturally drawn to that.

[@biocapsule7311]

He is a disingenuous arguer, he debate by asserting a false narrative as "true", build every strawmen around it.

[@metamentality9818]

Yes, I suspect his success is a byproduct of his rationality.

[@nathanielsbrown]

Heres the comment most ironic and lacking in self awareness: after having heard Rogan say that some kids dont see a way to change their future, Shapiro says he doesn’t see an alternative solution to changing their future, the implication being that there isn’t one. Ben is not the intellectual powerhouse people believe he is. The ability to speak quickly and with a sense certainty does not mean the speaker is a sophisticated thinker.

[@m.f.hopkins8728]

I can't even bear to hear his helium-filled voice.

[@id10t98]

Anyone that thinks Ben Shapiro is an intellectual powerhouse also believes Don The Insurrectionist Trump is a stable genius.

[@timothypickarski5234]

If you go take any debate course you’ll get points off for talking too fast. Benny Peppino only talks so fast because it’s hard to refute all 5 shit arguments he raps in 30 seconds before he just interrupts you while you’re talking

[@bustaknutt7729]

Totally

[@bustaknutt7729]

He flatters to deceive

[@PatrickWDunne]

Imagine skipping two grades and graduating from Harvard only to get demolished by the DMT and aliens guy