John Heart: Why I Turned Down Mike Mentzer's FAMOUS HIT Exercise DVD w/ Markus Reinhardt

[@richbrake9910]

This is correct. In 1979 when Mike Mentzer and Casey Viator trained me for a few days at Gold's in Venice, we did not do super slow reps. it was a two second concentric and four second negative reps. I never carried cameras either, except for maybe on vacation.

[@HDLifter]

Mike told me he chose a 4/4 rep tempo as it suited most exercises. Though, on pulldowns with a longer ROM, may need more. Mike taught me 2/4 in '78, which has served me well.

[@seanbowring5021]

Mike trained me in 1998 and had me do 4/4 cadence with a hold in the fully contracted position where applicable. I still have his handwritten program and training notes.

[@richbrake9910]

Same thing Mike taught me in 79.

[@vancemcnulty8242]

Thanks for video, really respect John Heart's knowledge with some mild disagreement. I don't think it's a fluke that Mentzer suddenly just decided to radically slow down the concentric and I believe if he'd had lived on I suspect he would have explained it as a natural evolution of how to increase efficiency of intensity while reducing risk of injury.

[@MrJanimro]

I agree. Mike advised slow cadence for Paul Becker too when he was training with Mike in 1999. His seminar video from 1998 he points out this too, but not before that i believe.

[@mightymurph550]

I’ve been doing HIT with the 4-2-4 cadence for 1.5 years now and it works great for me. Mike had to have been on to something even if the concept was introduced before he died.

[@bradfordmcdermott2063]

Thank you john for clarifying the whole slow concentric phase rep thing in vid and made no sense since mike said 1 to 2 seconds on concentric and 3 to 4 on negatives. 1 second flex at top

[@bobjenkins4925]

This video makes me say thank God for Pumping Iron because however little video footage there was in the '90s it would have been even less in the 70s if not for that awesome documentary

[@djpickleballplayer]

Whoa!! I wondered about the slow pace in that video because Mike never mentioned to do that in his books! Now I know why after all these years!

[@jvandervest2578]

I trained with Mike several times throughout 1991-94 and in 97. His protocols did evolve over that time. In July 91, it was two days on one off, two on two off, with a 2 way split, forced reps and negatives on some exercises By 94 it was 3 days a week, less use of intensity enhancers. By 97 the workouts were closer to what you see in the video, except Mikle was advocating use of static contractions- and slowing the movements- but never Superslow- Mike even made a sparky joke about the "Superslow" guys. He said to me - control the weight- don't let it control you. But the 10 secs stuff never. 2 to 4 secs up- depending on the movement- slow - 4 secs or so negative. As he pointed out to me this isn't rocket science. It's a science yes, but not that complicated.

[@Keppie6]

@BombSquad.MP4 no one has ever gotten big or muscular from superslow

[@carnivore-muscle]

​@@Keppie6I have

[@Keppie6]

@@carnivore-muscle well youre the first.

[@stevenroberts5741]

I have never been able to find any video at all of Mike himself actually training. You can find bits of Casey from the 70’s and people like Platz etc. But never seen any actual training footage (I don’t count the exercise demos from his video he did, although even then Ray did most), to actually see how he really trained. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@bradfordmcdermott2063]

This why drew baye gets it wrong on concentric being slow maybe due to the video confused him

[@HIT-Ćwiczeniazstandardami]

Wrong, Drew is 100 procen right, momentum is external force. Unfortunately John don't understand Physics ;( Try to train like this for some time, and you will appreciate how harder and important that is;)

[@PeteCerqua]

Check out all the videos of Mike, Ray, Casey and Boyer Coe training... rep peed was not even a consideration. If the weight is heavy enough it tends to move slower. Don't overthink this.

[@Keppie6]

Its funny because on the HIT Facebook group John Parr and Drew Baye routinely say that Mentzer NEVER used a fast concentric and that was always slow, which just happens to align with their thinking lol. So between those two and John Heart someone is lying. Id tend to believe John Heart just based on the demanor of Drew

[@fatboitino2]

They easily could have two different experiences; and saw different things. Only could ask Mike Mentzer- but, he's gone the way of all those who tread the earth

[@Keppie6]

@Mantastic-ho3vm You comment on every HIT video. Are you a big fan of HIT?

[@Keppie6]

@@fatboitino2 Exactly, but the way Drew “definitively” states that Mike never used a fast cadence is off putting, especially when their is video of him training clients with a fast cadence.

[@Keppie6]

@Mantastic-ho3vm nothing debunks hit

[@fatboitino2]

@@Keppie6 True. Plus, we know that Mike Mentzer experimented and developed his method over time. Maybe, it was hyperbolic.

[@adamsloane1748]

What people don't seem to understand is that HIT is not just one thing. There are many bona fide HIT approaches. Mentzer didn't invent HIT, and his way isn't the only way. NFL and college strength coaches have used HIT, and many people have HIT pedigrees every bit as solid as Mike Mentzer's. If you look at the training promoted by people like Ellington Darden (worked with Arthur Jones), the late Dr. Ken Leistner (also worked with Arthur Jones), Matt Brzycki (Princeton strength and conditioning), the late Casey Viator (also worked for Arthur Jones), and Dan Riley (strength coach for the Washington football team when it won multiple Super Bowls and later for the Houston Texans), you'll see some commonalities and some diversity. Forming a sub-cult around Mike Mentzer is self-defeating.

[@fatboitino2]

Then, there's Dorian's H.I.T

[@Keppie6]

@BombSquad.MP4 I couldnt imagine being a simp for superslow, an approach that hasnt produced a single bodybuilding champion at the national, state, or even local level.

[@Rob-qn6od]

Doesn't matter how slow or fast HIT does not work.

[@Los-2212]

Then you weren’t actually doing HIT lmaoo, mad cause it didn’t work for you 😂

[@Rob-qn6od]

@@Los-2212 Post physique to prove me wrong.

[@Keppie6]

@@Rob-qn6od you post your physique lol

[@jedishaw6771]

I had some contact with markus some years ago, not a good guy.

[@DackDavenport]

He's known as Mike Studwell. In the porn world.

[@Nunyabiznuts2012]

He was an alcoholic and recently just did a podcast on that and being a less than swell guy. He's been a great help giving me advice as I do my hit training

[@patrickwendling6759]

❤ Thank you for your knowledge and video's USA 🇺🇸 TRUMP