John List - Cleaning up Loose Ends - Vintage Crime

[@deniserichter5372]

I began my life living three doors down from the List family. My father said the children were never outside playing and he saw John mowing his lawn in a tuxedo on more than one occasion. Very strange man.

[@lisaroster5855]

wow! Creepy!

[@deborahkusaj1928]

Truly the perfect example why they should be a child psychologist and social worker in every school. Each student should be interviewed a minimum of once a month. No one not living in someone else’s home, really knows what goes on in there. No home is an exception to this.

[@Adrian-zd4cs]

@@deborahkusaj1928 do you realize that task that would be taking on to interview EVERY STUDENT every few months. That's not doable! Our communities just need to do better. We've reported families here on our own street if the children aren't properly cared for. It's easy to see. Too many people, ESPECIALLY Americans, just choose not to get involved and other people suffer. When I was 10, I was at a friend's house only 200 yards away and her grandmother was drunk and left us to care for the baby. Then her father came home drunk and beat and broke my friends arm. She ran to my home and alerted my parents. When the cops arrived, I was sheltering and hiding the remaining children in a room. So pardon me if I think differently about these cases. It left a scar on even my family. He was arrested and the family moved away a week later.

[@greyeaglem]

@@Adrian-zd4cs Back then he could have mowed the lawn naked and the neighbors would have called their kids in and closed blinds. They never would have called he cops. People were really into minding their own business when it came to their neighbors. Things would be different now, I think.

[@poutinedream5066]

@@greyeaglem It wouldn't have mattered if they did. It's not a crime to cut the grass in a tux. The law only gets involved AFTER a crime. As Americans we value our right to be individuals. Everything we do would be considered odd by someone's estimation. We cringe at the stories of communist countries, everyone policing everyone, spying on one another. I guess this is the other side of that Individualism we value so highly. If schools started sending all the kids to psychologist I would home school mine immediately. I don't know why. I have nothing to hide, but I believe that when you look for something, you tend to find it- whether it's there or not.

[@MadHatterDJ-]

What gets to me is when they rob their own children of an entire lifetime but go off and start a brand new life of their own. Hats off to whoever made that clay head, wow!

[@portiamatthews9654]

I remember hearing about this case years ago. It was because of the clay bust is how they was able to catch John List. It was the first time making a clay bust and aging it was done to catch a criminal. This artist guy was a pioneer in using this tool to help law enforcement catch a fugitive from justice. Now they have computer programs that can do age progression photos to catch criminals. Also, they can used the skull of victims Jane/John Doe to create a picture in order to identify them. Forensic Science has truly come along way in aiding in crime solving. So many cold cases have been solved due to advancement of forensic science. Now with a larger database in DNA testing using databases such as Ancestry DNA, 1,2 and Me have aided in cold cases. The use of security cameras, social medias, credit cards and mobile tracking are also tools in investigations. I can't think of anything else that could be used in the advancements of criminal investigations.

[@amyosgood6044]

I remember that clay head being reveled on Americas Most Wanted

[@rhiannonrede]

The late, great Frank Binder.

[@jinisteffani8035]

@@portiamatthews9654 ....That was a good show I can't believe they canceled it...John Walsh helped a lot of people get closure...and animals off the streets....I was a young mother when John Walsh's son got abducted...I lived in Ft. Lauderdale at the time...which was not far from the mall his son was taken from...I shopped there all the time with my child...

[@portiamatthews9654]

@@jinisteffani8035 yes, it was a great show. So sad that his child was abducted and murdered. It's a KZbin channel where the place where Adam's small body was found , the KZbinr reported about the story and showing the location. Thank you for your response.

[@lethrbear32]

My step-dad lived on the same block and went to school with Patty List. She was very active in drama and wanted to work on Broadway. This rocked that little town.

[@fizzao1342]

I also read that John List thought it was an immoral profession and that he didn’t like the way his oldest son was turning out either. He could no longer control them. I’m sure it factored into his decision to kill the family. I’m so sorry for the loss of your friend and indeed for the whole family.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I am posting on KZbin selected previously locked Patreon videos that are approximately 1.5 (one and a half) years old. This is one of them. Some of the topics discussed on the 'blah blah' towards the end of video, because of the upload date, may no longer be relevant. Many, many thanks to my patrons on Patreon for enabling me to keep going - bless you all!

[@yogadork_namaste]

Lol I've been on your patreon off and on for a while but haven't dug too far into the videos on there yet. So this is my first time seeing this!

[@savagecultll2948]

Thank you kind sir.

[@777blazek]

If anyone has ever been to Frankenmuth Michigan it is absolutely the most beautiful place ever. We actually spend Thanksgiving there. People actually ride around in horse drawn carriages & are dressed in period clothing. As I said before it is so stunning. So sad to know that this man was buried in such a beautiful area for such an ugly act. I have known about this man's story my whole life. All the movies that came out about him. You, Sir Oddie; Have by far been The best to re- tell this story. My father's side lived in, Kalamazoo Mi. As always, you're my favorite! Sending much love and continued success to you & the Mrs. ❤

[@savagecultll2948]

@@777blazek making horse drawl carriages is cruel.

[@katiedunson5400]

Ahh Oddie, another very unique way of presenting a horrific case of a family annihilator. Enjoyed the music and voice mixes throughout the video. Great job as always!! Thank you for the entertainment at the end as well. 😂

[@oliverpetroski4205]

OMG. He was a monster. I believe that he was not sorry about the people, but he was sorry about being caught. I wouldnt be surprised if the lot where the house was is haunted. Great video.

[@purplebutterfly7257]

For sure it’s got to be haunted no doubt about it.

[@diydiva3190]

@@purplebutterfly7257 It was sold in '04 for 2,250,000, a family named Flood lived there, maybe still do.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

@DIY DIVA -The original house burned down decades ago.

[@hollyprincipato3287]

It looked like the fire was in 3 areas. Possibly the rooms where they when he killed them....Sounds like possibly the spirits are angry about the way they died. May they all RIP.

[@destaniedillard1001]

🤯

[@crystalfabulous]

I remember watching the America’s most wanted when they profiled him

[@RoseannaPonturo]

Yes I do remember seeing something about the Watcher that's an interesting story. So is the John list story. It's amazing how when you love someone you are married to them you just don't see what's right in front of your eyes.

[@kathyinwonderlandl.a.8934]

I remember watching Bender make the sculpture of List

[@kathyinwonderlandl.a.8934]

@@addie_is_me yes! And it didn’t take long after that and it blew everyone away how much he looked like the bust even the glasses I think a woman who did his hair chose the glasses for the bust and even the glasses were the same.. it was true Art.

[@ahuddleston6512]

Me too!

[@corinnabambina]

And Forensic files

[@yogadork_namaste]

Those gunshots made me jump, but they were a nice touch. I'm glad you don't shy away from including crime scene photos. That poor family. The music you used was epic and I'm glad you show your script so we can read along. Not to mention the nice vintage photos and effects.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

So glad you enjoyed the presentation - very much appreciated 😊

[@a.humanbeing8171]

His are the only old true crime videos I watch anymore- nothing compares. The entire package makes it incredibly enjoyable

[@SookiesCharlie_aunt]

Totally agree! It was perfect!

[@lexiwexiwoo]

@@a.humanbeing8171 if it's the in depth story research he does, I highly recommend Stephanie Harlowe's channel for modern & ongoing cases.

[@lindacecile5647]

Another fantastic job, Oddie

[@fanaticat1]

I live in NJ. Around the time of John List's arrest, I was friends with a guy who lived in Westfield. He drove me past the place where the house once stood. Since his arrest, I read a few books about the crime, one book stated where the site Helen and the 3 children were buried. I went to their graves to pay my respects.

[@msmerc86]

List honestly believed that he would be reunited with his family in heaven when he died. He allegedly asked someone in prison if he could be considered a saint.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

@msmerc86 one has to ask, why didn’t he go with them? Instead, he ran away, hiding himself from the authorities, because he knew he done something atrocious.

[@fanaticat1]

@@ObsoleteOddity why didn't he kill himself and leave the rest of the family? I know he felt like he failed his family. It takes a big person to admit that they're wrong. They had a stained glass part of the roof. It was a "Tiffany" stained glass roof and had he know that, he could have sold it... At the time, it was worth $100,000. That money could have paid off the house, and then some.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

@fanaticat1 the information about the Tiffany roof. I already included in the story, so I’m not sure why you are repeating it? I cannot really accept the excuse that he decided to kill them because he failed his family, it was a totally malignant narcissistic intent to rid himself of a burden and start anew.

[@georgelin8498]

If he had just disappeared and lived like he did after the murders, it’s unlikely he would have been found. Instead he put a target on his back for the rest of his life that came back to haunt him.

[@TheMercedes1620]

This is horrible!!!! I can't even imagine. How could he have taken his whole family out like this. Great video but sad sad sad.

[@ElCid48]

he was a evil man. hell sell the house and that art piece. this man only thought of himself. one sick soul. well Mr List, how is hell.

[@KM-pp4je]

I really liked the way you showed the house with the lights progressively going out. Nice touch

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you!

[@cynthiacupler8005]

John List could have just walked out on his family, he didn't have to kill them.

[@johnnicholas1488]

That's true. But how could he be assured that they would all have gone to heaven? He wanted to feel confident that they would all be there when he would arrive a few decades later. He was a very great planner having studied logistics as an undergrad.

[@CulturalOasis]

@@johnnicholas1488 He was a Family Annihilator.... They were a burden to him because he was broke.... So he killed them....

[@gc8024]

@@suzannaandrea4306 he was , ripping off people and going into bankruptcy , mother was there too another Chris watts

[@daisyflowers9334]

@@CulturalOasis I believe the poster was speaking tongue in cheek. Sarcastic humor. 😉

[@robynsegg]

@@suzannaandrea4306 Or even go on welfare, because it hurt his pride. (>_>)

[@frandistabile4723]

I remember seeing this on America's Most Wanted. He was an absolute monster. He really thought he would be going to Heaven. Yeah right, he went where he belongs!!! Great narration as usual Oddie, I love your accent!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you! 😊 Glad you enjoyed the presentation my friend!

[@Babebubby]

I gotta say I've heard this story a dozen times, but the chance to hear you tell it, I couldn't pass that up! :)

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Hope you enjoyed it!

[@Babebubby]

@@ObsoleteOddity you know it! 😉

[@vanessapisces13]

Same here...and best version for me. I learned new facts about him, his wife and children. Great research as usual. Thank you! Lol the blooper reel

[@NucleaRaptor]

Same, I never knew heard the details about his wife being a nagging harpy before. The chilling quotes from List himself were also a great touch. Stellar job, Oddie. 👍

[@patriciarobinson8521]

Same here

[@cathyaudette1060]

Wow! Where did you ever get so many pictures of the List Family? I've watched several documentaries on this crime, but yours is by far the best. May their souls rest in peace.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I really appreciate your positive feedback - thank you very much :)

[@destaniedillard1001]

🤯

[@tintinhickey5869]

I wonder how that older half sister felt when she learnt her family had been annihilated by her stepfather ....you’ve done a great job on this disturbing case..

[@patricianelson8]

Apparently not much. You mean to tell me the older daughter didn't try to contact her mom for 30 days? I would call my parents every weekend when they were alive. Children these days could care less.

[@mariahyohannes]

@@patricianelson8 Why would you assume that? Her stepfather was abusive and controlling and her mother knew that and stayed with him, that's why she moved out the house so young. She clearly wanted to distance herself from the toxicity of that household. How do you know she didn't try to contact her mother in those 30 days?

[@patriciarodriguez2061]

I call my parents every day. I don't understand how she wasn't the one that made that call for the police to do a welfare check on her family. I start to panic if my parents don't answer and not call me back within a few minutes.

[@tanyawade5197]

@@patriciarodriguez2061 Um, not to burst your angry bubble, but the step-daughter’s mother passed away yrs before that. It wasn’t her mother that was murdered in that house.

[@johnsmith-ug5tp]

No doubt said, Thank God I got married and moved out.

[@Terri_MacKay]

His "assignment for the day"!! Monster is the only word to describe List.

[@jessicademumbrum2386]

@@Terri_MacKay I noticed that comment also. He had no soul.

[@shelleyfowler8064]

Leave it to good ole' Oddie to take a story that has been told countless times and make it brand new. Phenomenal work! Thank you!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Wow, thank you!

[@littbitterst2328]

Another GREAT video...no skimping on the details AND your wonderful voice!! Thanks Oddie!!! AGAIN♡

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much! 😊

[@littbitterst2328]

@@ObsoleteOddity ...of course!!

[@joannp5806]

I remember he was caught because of that old show, America's Most Wanted. Once again,you always make these stories come alive so brilliantly. How about one on the Amityville Horror? I believe the son,Ron Defeo just passed away also.

[@sapphire13579]

When my mother was having her house remodeled, she had the fireplace and chimney removed from her bedroom. And had stairs leading to the 2nd floor put in its place. It was discovered that the bricks from the chimney had been specially made for that 100 year old house and were worth a great sum of money. She gave the bricks to the men who were doing the remodeling in exchange for their work. Unexpected windfall, I'd say.

[@3vil_l3mm1ng2]

Wow that’s amazing, great bit of history to pass down. Nice of your mother to give them to the workers.

[@sapphire13579]

@@suzannaandrea4306 I'm sorry, I don't get what you mean by you dog comments like mine.

[@sapphire13579]

@@suzannaandrea4306 Thanks for explaining, You said, "over here..." Where is that? I'm in Tennessee.

[@valfletcher9285]

The bricks were made for what house? The List house, I wonder? How did anyone know? Are they specially marked? I do not think I would even want those bricks or one stick of wood from that place.

[@sapphire13579]

@@valfletcher9285 My mother's house was built before List was born. I don't know how she found out the value of the bricks. The workmen were thrilled with the gift of the bricks. The bricks were worth more than the price of the work they were doing. My mother ended up not having to pay anything for the men's work. The men sold the bricks (I don't know whom to) and made a lot more money than they would have gotten from my mother.

[@TammyArthur42]

These people are crazy i have never understood why do they hurt their family and move on with out them...If you cant handle the life you have then do something to you not your kids,mother and wife...

[@KM-pp4je]

Most people in cases like this also kill themselves. This loser skipped town and made a new life for himself. Selfish psychopath.

[@QuantumMech_88]

Trying to sort out a psychopath is like trying to baptize a cat . A waste of time .

[@Maradeokay]

@@QuantumMech_88 amen

[@fizzao1342]

@@QuantumMech_88 Very true! Great use of words too.

[@zarasbazaar]

He had so many options to get out of the financial dilemma he was in. In the end, I think he just wanted to be free of his family, so he could have a fresh start elsewhere.

[@ChanaRo613]

I can understand (although not excuse) the temptation to kill the wife, who appears to have been manipulative at best and possibly worse than what we will ever know. Of course, that's no excuse to kill someone, but it might explain the temptation. Same with the mother, we will never know what kind of unresolved childhood trauma might have gone into his thought process there. But the kids??? Nope. I will never be able to wrap my mind around that. I can often understand why people do what they do, but I can't imagine shooting one of my kids EVEN if I thought doing so would "save" them. That would be just the most horrible thing I could ever imagine. My kids are grown and even now, a nightmare where one of them is hurt or in danger is the absolute worst terror I have ever felt. I have actually been staring down the barrel of a gun pointed at me (thankfully, the guy didn't pull the trigger but I certainly thought he was going to!), and with 100% certainty I can still say I would rather be the one shot instead of my kids. And all to save his reputation???? I hope those victims went straight to heaven and found peace there somehow.

[@SookiesCharlie_aunt]

He shouldn't bought an expensive house in an upper class place

[@Miniver765]

@@SookiesCharlie_aunt Agreed, but he was trying to front and give the appearance of affluence and success. Sadly, scores of people still live way beyond their means, and their families suffer the consequences.

[@haileygrey5047]

Agreed . He kept digging his hole soooo much deeper

[@sheilagravely5621]

Does that mean his three kids were born with that std???

[@susanhavens8692]

Thanks for releasing this Issue. I live in Rochester NY and to think that monster lived here is creepy. His crime is famous is the US. IT took many years to catch him. I was waiting Americas Most wanted the big they caught. A huge relief to many people. He got away with it for way too long. Love you Oddie💙❤️😁

[@ObsoleteOddity]

So glad you enjoyed the presentation - very much appreciated 😊

[@billmers3219]

Susan I too was surprised that John list lived in Rochester...yuck. I live in Wyoming county, retired crane operator, worked on the can of worms ,if you're from Rochester you are familiar with the can of worms..lol! used to do a lot of work at Kodak too .. before it became a "park" Hope you're all doing well up there Susan 👍

[@susanhavens8692]

@@billmers3219 Hi Bill😁 Yes I'm familiar with the can of worms. A lot of accident s on it. I never knew John List lived in Rochester. On Hillside Avenue too which is in a neighborhood I lived in when I was a teenager. The Monroe Avenue area near Cobb's Hill Park. Kodak used to be the greatest employer in the area. I know a lot of people who worked for them.

[@billmers3219]

@@susanhavens8692 aaaah, Monroe Ave, Rt 31 just past the canal was a place called.... Rick's prime rib?

[@zarasbazaar]

I'm also from Rochester and find it disturbing that so many famous killers have connections to the city.

[@brandynicolemorrison35]

Yeah, I àm the patron that wanted you to do this video. Lol. Thank you. Great video. Such a heartbreaking story

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you! 😊 Glad you enjoyed the presentation my friend!

[@msjerseyd-thc]

I'm from NJ, and I used to work 5mins away there. Westfield has a spooky feel to it anyway. I enjoy your videos!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thanks for sharing that and also for your positive feedback!

[@great-grandmakirk8828]

What a horrible selfish little man, I’m sure his mother is probably turning over in her grave that he is buried next to her.😩 I remember this story from America Most Wanted. How sad he felt he had to kill his own children. As usual you have done a fantastic job of telling this story.😍❤️

[@terrymurphy7790]

He couldn't have been that sad. Since he remarried and had more kids.

[@TawnyC_]

@@terrymurphy7790 he didn't have any more kids.

[@great-grandmakirk8828]

@@terrymurphy7790 I didn’t say that he was sad I said that ITS sad that he felt he had to kill the kids.

[@terrymurphy7790]

@@great-grandmakirk8828 You said and I quote " How sad he felt he had to kill his own children." A family Annihilator feels no remorse he was just being selfish.

[@janicesullivan8942]

He didn’t have to kill them, that he wanted to is just evil.

[@christinesbetterknitting4533]

He was my ex-husband's older brother's' Sunday School in Summit New Jersey around the time this happened. Tremendously weird.

[@FailingArtist]

Wait. He was a Sunday school??

[@documentmedic9385]

Yes, he was a Sunday School teacher. Definitely creepy, huh?😦

[@TawnyC_]

I read a book about John List a long time ago. I recall he had a very strange childhood, very repressed, religion-oriented, and a lot of expectations were placed on him. It was depressing.

[@reesedaniel5835]

Sounds like psychological and emotional abuse (which is what narcissistic parents do to their children, especially the chosen Scapegoat who gets the blame for all the family's dysfunction.) This type of abuse causes all kinds of mental issues especially pent up rage. But there is no excuse for murdering people.

[@johnsmith-ug5tp]

Oh opposed to being raised by deviant pagan bio parents that did drugs and had sex Infront of them? ha

[@carmencarlton1445]

I have heard this story so many times until now I didn’t know how much more there was to this story thank you so much it has made my day

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I really appreciate your positive feedback - thank you very much :)

[@spicencens7725]

Good lord man! You've outdone yourself!..in a creepy kind of way😂 Good voiceover of List. Lots of work there, thank you!!!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you kindly!

[@lovinitall6639]

@@ObsoleteOddity at first I thought, hey He go a confession tape ! But no it's Oddie !

[@niknacknoo]

What a beautiful and human way of paying tribute to the people in all these stories, you bring them to life in a vey moving way... just gorgeous artistry.

[@DeidreL9]

Agreed, he’s the best:)

[@ObsoleteOddity]

That's very kind of you both, thank you for that.

[@makeupboss3568]

This happened before I was born, but since I’m a true crime fanatic I have seen a movie and several documentaries on John List . He was so OCD and stoic to the max . Good job on this .

[@brendabrooks6731]

Good to hear from you Oddity, I've been missing your stories, Wondering what happened to you, Stay safe.

[@Channel-ld9ip]

Thank you Oddie for making this more readily accessible. I'm glad I was able to view it here and applaud your commitment to truth and willingness to acknowledge/articulate the difference b/w fact and opinion. I am sorry you have found the need to return to KZbin, yet, selfishly, am glad access is retained.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thanks for your kind feedback my friend - very much appreciated :) Yes the problems viewers had with the Vimeo playback were numerous - I have emailed Vimeo support with screenshots of the poll and explained the problems viewers were having. I can only hope they take it on board.

[@randygunn9499]

5 murders,a life of guilt could of all been avoided with the sale of a window and the truth. Don't kill,don't lie,don't cheat and we will all fullfil are dreams may they all rest in peace.

[@janetcw9808]

Quite right, peace to you and all you love.

[@lenafranklin7262]

I agree and to think he thought he was so pious and that his wife wanting to be in drama club as "Satanic" is riddiculous. He hid behind his religion and used it to justify his brutality. So meaningless and sad. Spread love not hate💛🙏

[@karanfield4229]

A window??

[@hawkgurl1157]

@@lenafranklin7262 I think it was his daughter, but anyway it was a lazy excuse as well as doesn't make sense.

[@annehelenegroven]

He was truly a selfish person. He could just have escaped and taken a new identity (like he did anyway). Instead he had to kill his whole family. I'm glad the got him!. Thanks for covering this case 🤗🤗

[@ChanaRo613]

Or, if he was willing to live in a trailer (which he ended up doing with his new wife anyway), why not move into one with his family? He didn't need a mansion to make a good home for his family!

[@peggypeggy4137]

I'm glad they caught him too--finally. I saw a video where a psychologist talked about family annihilators and put them into different categories. There was one category of people who kill out of shame and when their lies/secrets are about to be exposed. (Chandler Halderson was the person they were talking about). I thought of John List. He had lost his job, faked going to work, was facing foreclosure, he had been stealing from his mother, all of which was about to be exposed. He said he did it for religious reasons but I think that was a bunch of nonsense. It was more out of shame and failure.

[@katybaby0220]

I feel so bad for Brenda not only had her mother became a drastically different person from the mother she knew but years later her step father killed her mother and half siblings . On top of that she had to wait a very long long time for justice for them.

[@pipiwilson7854]

I had to rewind it to check if I heard right about Helen having a child from a previous marriage. She lost her entire family. Horrible

[@93seronica]

What’s crazy is that Brenda said her stepfather John was a good father to her

[@JD-ht4wn]

I wondered what happened with Brenda after all this happened.

[@susanmahaffey2356]

An amazing story. Can’t believe the photos you found for this story. You are quite amazing with your articles!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much!

[@tamijackson1080]

I gotta tell ya this was one of the BEST presentations you've ever done Thoroughly enjoyed it a lot Thank you so much♡

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Wow, thank you!

[@IntrepidFraidyCat]

It's always a treat to see a notification from you, Oddie. I find this story disturbing. That letter he wrote was so weirdly calm and thought out despite the fact he was completely off the rails.

[@a.humanbeing8171]

It was him sitting down to lunch while his family's blood dried that bothered me the most. That and asking them about their preferences for burial at dinner in the days before he murdered them. But the biggest blow was that he placed their bodies beneath the Tiffany thing that could have paid off all of his debts. His wife was horrible, absolutely horrible and his Mom wasn't any fun, either. That's what divorce is for and well, Mothers don't live forever. He could have simply moved her into her own place after the separation. I can, however, understand how depression makes you feel like there's only one option- which is usually the worst choice a person has available. Depressive tunnel vision is nearly impossible to break out if unless the depression has been addressed. That's not an excuse, simply an observation. Nearly everyone who is severely depressed hurts absolutely no one else. He had to have the capacity for evil in his heart before he ever became depressed...

[@IntrepidFraidyCat]

@@a.humanbeing8171 I didn't know that his wife was horrible...I can imagine though. I can't imagine valuing my reputation THAT much. Just downsize and move to a different town.

[@a.humanbeing8171]

@@IntrepidFraidyCat it's not just that- the syphilis made her really bitter and cruel. No one was safe from her mouth from what I heard, may I be forgiven for speaking ill of the dead...

[@a.humanbeing8171]

@@IntrepidFraidyCat it's not just that- the syphilis made her really bitter and cruel. No one was safe from her mouth from what I heard, may I be forgiven for speaking ill of the dead...

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you! 😊 Glad you enjoyed the presentation my friend!

[@yogadork_namaste]

That clay depiction is the best one I've ever seen as far as looking like the missing person or doe

[@corwilliams3098]

there is an episode of ''the new detectives'' about this case. I think it''s called ''face of death'' or something. That ''america's most wanted ''' was a good show

[@musicstewart9744]

The man who did it was from Philadelphia. He died years ago.

[@INDLIS]

@@corwilliams3098 Drawing Conclusions

[@AntaresSelket]

The story of this family's murder was the basis for the movie "The Stepfather." As soon as you started describing the murders, I recognized it from that movie. I wasn't aware that a real murder case had been used, but I was young when the movie came out.

[@tonilambert8481]

I've heard this story many times but you have told it so well and with so much clarity. Thank you so much for this. He was one terribly evil man.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I really appreciate your positive feedback - thank you very much :)

[@lillianosa]

Thank you for you brilliance! 🤗

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I really appreciate that. Thank you :)

[@loisreese2692]

Thank you, Oddie, for another great episode! One more fact to mention, John List didn't kill himself because he was a family annihilator with narcissistic personality disorder. FAs always find an excuse to not commit suicide after murdering their families, and it's often based in some type of religious trope. Love you, Oddie! Thanks again.

[@cherylfoster1223]

Wonderful take on the case. I have read extensively on this and you have done the best one so far. Thanks for doing this one. Stay safe and healthy.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I really appreciate that. Thank you :)

[@carolgibson-wilson4354]

Thank you for your hard work which makes the tale so much better.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

So glad you enjoyed the presentation - very much appreciated 😊

[@dillsingh4113]

Thank you Oddie for keeping me entertained on a quiet Sunday afternoon ! ❤️

[@ObsoleteOddity]

You are so welcome :)

[@dmecca9283]

As a native of Michigan, and a kid at the time i remember hearing about this case. For many years I was intrigued as to what made List murder his family in such brutal manner. Thank you Oddie, for narrating this chilling case in superb fashion as only you can.👍🏽

[@belle16117]

Are you familiar with the Robison family murders in Good Hart, MI, in 1968?

[@dmecca9283]

@@belle16117 no but I'll research it.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you! 😊 Glad you enjoyed the presentation my friend!

[@TheRealLadyAlex]

I moved to Michigan as a teenager in the mid-to-late 70s. I remember hearing about this a number of times just before America's Most Wanted 1st aired. Hadn't thought about it in a really long time. But Oddie, you tell it the best. And your music throughout was great... Plus a great tune and perfect volume. Thank you for your wonderful and thoughtful retelling of this heartbreaking and sad tale. 💔💔💔💔💔

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thanks for your really great feedback, a truly wonderful compliment - much appreciated :)

[@TheRealLadyAlex]

@@ObsoleteOddity You're so welcome! Just calling it like I see it. 😊

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I really appreciate that. Thank you :)

[@jillainenewman1358]

I love the music you used. It's suitably creepy, but not so scary that I couldn't bear to watch. Great narration, and I also saw photos I haven't seen before. Really well done!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I appreciate your positive feedback Jillaine!

[@moomama217]

I'm having a "rewatch marathon" while I'm stuck in bed with a spinal injury. SO. MUCH. FUN!!! Thanks Oddie, Oddette, and Pateronics!!!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Sorry to hear about your injury, hope you’re back up and fit and fighting again soon!

[@moomama217]

@@ObsoleteOddity TY! Like my friend says, "at least I'm on the right side of the grass!"

[@PandoraSaysSo]

Very well done - all of your hard work really showed. This was a fascinating case, and I can remember watching that episode of America's Most Wanted and then seeing the news when they actually found him! As sort of goofy as the show was, it really did help solve many cold case crimes over the years it was broadcast.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I really appreciate your positive feedback - thank you very much :)

[@glendaeden2501]

I had read about this crime years ago but your rendition and narration really brings the story chillingly to life! Well done as usual!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I really appreciate your positive feedback - thank you very much :)

[@mariazamarripa4413]

I'm glad he was brought to justice!! His family finally can rest in peace.

[@Lisa1111]

Never disappointed 🤗❤️ These guys had the creepiest eyewear 😳

[@nibordiabla7493]

Thank you so much Oddie, for covering this case! I was the one who asked you to on Patreon, and you have done it as only you can-- with an outstanding attention to every detail, and with great care and sensitivity towards the victims of this horrific crime. You never let your viewers down. Thanks again! ❤❤❤❤

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thanks for the loyalty and great feedback my friend! 😊

[@debbiekerr3989]

Thanks!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I appreciate the kind donation, glad you’re enjoying my content! 🙏😊

[@lindajayneclark767]

Great story. I learned a lot more in your version of this tragedy

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Many thanks!

[@arcticfox7153]

Amazing job, Mr. Oddity - Thank you, this took place in my hometown ....a lovely town. Horrendous acts take place everywhere. - regardless of socioeconomic or sociological influence.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

So glad you enjoyed the presentation - very much appreciated 😊

[@Sorchia56]

Brilliantly presented. So pleased List was brought to justice for his ghastly crime! Positively vile.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much! 😊

[@itsmshoneytee2u305]

I remember this like it was yesterday.I live in Richmond Va and my mother and i was watching the crime show" America Most Wanted"A picture of what Mr.List looked like in 1971 and a reconstruction picture of what he should look like in 1989.If i am not mistaken.It was Mr.List neighbor whom had recognized him and she called the police.It was a very big story,almost as big as the" Briley Boys Murders."If you could.Would you consider doing the story on the?I really enjoy all the stories you read.Just awesome!Spectacular!!!

[@tamarrajames3590]

I remember this case, and how gruesome it was. I recall there were some images of the interior of what was once a beautiful home. He strikes me as one of the men left terribly broken by WWII and Korea. There is no sense to be found in his actions. You told this beautifully Oddie, as always. So much damage was internalized from the many years of war, and sometimes it erupted at random. I remember the Watcher case as well...pretty strange. It shows how little most of us are aware of the internal landscape of the minds of others...even people we think we know. Love and light to you and Odette dear Man.🖤🇨🇦

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thanks as always for your very kind feedback Tamarra. Yes as we know there's plenty of walking, ticking time bombs like List walking amongst us...just waiting for the fuse to blow. I hope you and Richard are ok? Longing for Spring to finally arrive, we've been gifted with icy winds every day. Love & light! xxx

[@unmappedinsights4787]

Monsters in human form walk among us. Brutally cold! Brutally cruel! The List family must have suffered abuse (psychologically at least) for years. Until this final act of cowardly, inhuman rage blasted their lives away. His new wife was fortunate that she did not recognize his likeness in the clay bust. Her lack of intuition, no doubt, saved her life. Excellent coverage of the John List mass-murders. Thank you.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

So glad you enjoyed the presentation - very much appreciated 😊

[@impalamama7302]

And most of the time, they don't look like they would be dangerous at all! That's what the scary part is about these psychos.

[@savagecultll2948]

I just left my kids at the playground when I got this notification. I'm sure they'll be fine,it's by the old List home.

[@rubysparrow479]

Hi neighbor, I used to live down the road from Lovers Lane off of Cork and wish you a lovely Sunday. I am enjoying the sun today even if it is chilly.

[@earthcat]

Oh dear

[@suzannebrady6201]

You tell a story like no other !!!! You are Truly the best !!!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Wow, thank you!

[@chesca7295]

'Kalamazoo' sounds like a Dr Seuss town 😂. Glad to have you back Oddy!

[@texastea5686]

U should hear the song from Glenn Miller

[@stephanieoliver8634]

A lot of Michigan cities have cities with names similar. Because of our Native American history. Alot of our cities "belong" in a Dr Seuss book!

[@MrsJHarrington]

Oddie, I’ve heard this case many times before, but you have brought up details that I never knew! Your research is very thorough, I’ve always thought that. Very interesting video!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you kindly!

[@deborahbranson6053]

Oddie you have on several different occasions explained your accent and even apologized for it but I would like to say to you that I really enjoy your accent to my untrained ear you sound British

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I appreciate that. Thank you :)

[@a.humanbeing8171]

His Australian accent is stronger to my ear. You can definitely hear the British, but Australian was certainly his first language 😉

[@carolyng5044]

Same here. No apologies for who you are, Oddie. I like you just the way you are and sound. Your accent adds...flavor (?) to your videos.

[@a.humanbeing8171]

@@dy9278 a joke. American English sounds only faintly like the Kings English. Ditto Australian. Once, I decided that I wanted a different voice from my Garmin and selected the female Australian option. I had to translate on the fly- a highway on ramp is apparently called a slit road in Australia! There were a few other things, but that stuck out in my mind because I was driving in part of Chicago I had never been in before and I am just a small town gal. I remember yelling, "what's a slit road!?!?!?" to the Garmin woman, but she refused to respond... My Garmin was absolutely terrible to begin with, constantly directing me to turn left on the highway where there was nothing but a median wall, and more. Inevitably, it lost satellite reception just before important turns and always in bigger cities. So I have history with Australian :-) Admittedly, not much and it's not especially humorous but there it is, lol.

[@pattygravs6354]

@@a.humanbeing8171 What is Garmin?

[@rinlo1424]

Wow! I feel like I'm hearing this story for the first time even though I've know about it for decades. Amazing work, Oddie.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Wow, thank you!

[@n3rahill]

I've watched so many about this List family crime. Still wanted to hear your version of the case. Unique

[@rhiannonrede]

I was watching the telly the night that Episode was aired. I, too had read of that story many years before. Loved this work of yours tonight.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@marcheetahmargarita5886]

This man just hated his family and wanted to get rid of them. He was a psycho because how is welfare worse than murder...

[@reinamatheny9972]

I don't think he hated his family~ I think he was one of those pathic people who felt nothing~ no matter what he said afterward~ sometimes they say things like this to make them look virtuous~ he was just a twisted little man~ I sometimes wonder how much is a personality disorder and just plain evil.

[@crystalhannah6872]

Obsoleteoddity is the most brilliant and morbidly beautiful part of my month. ALWAYS 🖤

[@ObsoleteOddity]

That's very kind of you, thank you for that!

[@msc8663]

Good to hear from you again. I miss your stories. Great video as usual thank you. Love you be safe.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you! You too!

[@ivoneray1472]

Wow! Well done! I really enjoyed watching it. I love the special effects. 👍👍

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you very much!

[@danieldale6469]

Oddie please dont stop what U R doing. You inspire me to paint in an antique pallet. Thank You

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Great to hear!

[@whispermcgaughy7251]

Thank you, kindly..I truly enjoyed every aspect of this video..The music was spot on and the imagery was amazing,as usual..😊

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I really appreciate that. Thank you :)

[@diydiva3190]

OMG why was he buried with the mother he killed? He should have had a paupers grave at Potters Field

[@richsheryllhunt7250]

I've heard this story a few times before, but you shared many facts that I'd never heard before. Such a horrific tale. I enjoyed your telling of it.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much!

[@sergtchannel]

Wow, great video Oddie, I remember seeing this case on America's Most Wanted and it being one of the cases that put the show on the map. That bust of List was creepy but very accurate to the likeness of him, and helped lead to his capture!

[@empressoftheknownuniverse]

Such a lovely way to spend a Sunday afternoon. The research is thorough and visual aides help with appetite suppression. Well done, well orchestrated, and truly appreciated. Thank you for your hard work, and best wishes. 😚

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I really appreciate your positive feedback - thank you very much :)

[@vampirequeen953]

I've heard about this case before and I thought John was disturbed besides his actions being disgusting as well. He seemed to be a very odd individual. I also wanted to say thank you for all your hard work you put into your videos!!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I really appreciate that. Thank you :)

[@vampirequeen953]

@@ObsoleteOddity You're very welcome 😊😊

[@yukiphelps2098]

I have really been enjoying the narration versions of your stories. I can close my eyes, kick back and enjoy them, way better than having to read them. Thank you.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much for reaching out with your kind feedback 😊

[@patb.j.3358]

Yuki, I love Oddie's voice. I do exactly what you do. I get comfy, lay back, close my eyes and take in every word of the story. Oddie has the most calm, soothing and lovely voice I have ever heard.

[@allpro2812]

Another epic thriller by none other than our own O D D I E

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I really appreciate that. Thank you :)

[@autodidact537]

@@ObsoleteOddity I don't know why but this video actually had ads in it, a total of 4. I can't remember the last time there were ads in your videos. It's good to see that you will now have another revenue stream. Your videos are the same, I wonder why YT changed it's policy toward you?

[@jayreebell-palmer550]

Great job telling this story. Thank you for putting it on KZbin

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@spacecowgurl57]

"You never know which way the wind will blow in the mind of madness "-AM writeon.

[@carnivorenation8632]

Oh how I love Oddie!!! This story was not new to me, but this was most enjoyable. Thanks Oddie, you are the best.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Glad you enjoyed it - Thank you very much!

[@Liz-cmc313]

I remember first hearing this case on AMW. I'm sure they wanted no one living in that house after what happened.

[@jasontodd8071]

Liz, I believe shortly after the bodies were found, the house burned down......sadly vandals probably wanted the spook house to burn down....

[@shelleyfowler8064]

I agree Liz. Neighbors would be plagued by people coming by to gawk at "the murder house." Just like the house in Amityville. I believe Ed Gein's house burned down as well. I wouldn't be shocked if it was intentional.

[@reesedaniel5835]

@@shelleyfowler8064 Neighbors did it in both cases. Can you blame them? Who would want to live next to that?

[@shelleyfowler8064]

@@reesedaniel5835 Don't blame them one iota. Not only would they have to deal with gawkers but a constant reminder of what happened. My only concern is for the firemen who are at risk putting out the flames. Hope you enjoyed the weekend.

[@documentmedic9385]

@@shelleyfowler8064 I heard rumors that some teenagers snuck into the house to get high and accidentally burned it down, but I wouldn't be surprised if the people of Westfield intentionally set it on fire.

[@ritadaniels7931]

Another great video. So sorry for the family, another history,. Lives, names that would be forgotten if not for people like you who remember them.

[@mandi5613]

Another awesome video! Thank you for the great content 😊

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@terrilynnstalvey1416]

As always eell done. I love your stories. Have been sick for a long while and now I am back. Sorely missed your work. Love it love it

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Sorry to hear that, but welcome back :)

[@belle16117]

The house is gone, but the address is still there. I used to pass it when I lived in Northern NJ.

[@FailingArtist]

Thought oddie said another house was built on the property??

[@belle16117]

@@FailingArtist The old house is gone. A new one is there, but the address is the same.

[@lisamcandrews8594]

I’m so happy to see you at 500,000 subscribers. I’ve been watching you since you had 18 or 19,000. There’s so many crappy stations on KZbin but yours is the best congratulations well deserved

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thanks for the loyalty and kind feedback my friend! 😊

[@cherylcallahan5402]

Obsolete Oddity John&Helen appreciate your videos Listening from Mass USA TYVM ♥️ Oddie

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thanks for listening!

[@alethiacraven4305]

Video was BEAUTIFULLY done. Thank you!!!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much! 😊

[@janessap1739]

I lived in Westfield, NJ for years. Wonderful town, I love it! These 2 incidents however define it...so sad! I love you Oddie! 🥰💗

[@janessap1739]

Is it sad that I’m so excited that Oddie saw and put a ❤️ by my comment, after loving him and his channel for at least the last year or so! Especially since I hardly ever comment Lol 😂 It’s just that the List case hit very close to home for me, because I lived about 2 mins away from that house, or rather from where the former house stood, for about 10 years. But regardless of why I commented, it totally made my day like nothing has in a while! Oddie was the first person I cared enough about to become a Patreon member for, & my first ‘voice crush’ I had on YT! From day 1, I’ve always LOVED hearing his stories, following his many antique hunts, & anticipating his next true crime case re-telling...hearing his voice was so calming and I loved (love!) everything he ever did or said after first discovering him. His accent, voice, & personality was, and is, what first got me attuned to the world of YT, & then Patreon. What an amazing and wonderful man, and my first ❤️ from him today was like getting recognition from a favorite celebrity....call me pathetic or whatever, but I’m just on Cloud 9 right now! Thank you for seeing me today, Oddie!! I may just be your #1 fan lol!

[@777blazek]

I ABSOLUTELY LOVE HOW YOU HAVE DONE THIS. I WATCH IT AT LEADT ONCE A WEEK SINCE YOU POSTED IT!! MUCH LOVE ODDIE & MRS. O

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Glad you enjoy it! Thank you for your kind feedback my friend, much appreciated.

[@lynnjoburns2106]

You’ve made a horrific story into remarkable feature,Thankyou 😊

[@ObsoleteOddity]

So nice of you!

[@corinnabambina]

Well done Sir! I've seen a few programs b4 on TV about this story, you added much more info that I'd never heard about, Love your channel :D

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much for reaching out with your kind feedback! 😊