Villisca - When Evil Comes to Visit

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I'm going to be posting on KZbin selected previously locked Patreon videos that are approximately 1.5 (one and a half) years old. This is one of them. This video is sponsored by my Patreon patrons - THANK YOU! Some of the topics discussed on the 'blah blah' towards the end of video, because of the upload date, may no longer be relevant. Link to my Patreon page and other sites under the description :)

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[@lisamorris6865]

I love all these stories and the photos❤! I live in Oklahoma and I would love to tour the house but i don't know the address if you know the full address could you please reply back? Than you Lisa Morris

[@starshuskies4040]

@@lisamorris6865 It's in Villisca IA. They made the house into a museum and you can take tours of it. Creepy...

[@webeeankylosingspindylitis7838]

Hi Oddie! I have missed u,I love getting to see the old patreon videos because I don't have the money to join.1 thing back in the early days that I found is that there was no tv so the people were board & seemed to love to see gore.they would take a picnic to hangings & during the civil war while there were battles people would be on the sidelines having a picnic watching.its so odd.i have seen videos of this house.it is so creepy.the ax marks r still visible. Thank You Oddie.I can't wait for the next video 👻🧡💙💛💚😷

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[@ObsoleteOddity]

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[@Frossiart]

Me!

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[@aurorawolfe6060]

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[@joycebrackbill-henderly8311]

Thank you 😌. It's uplifting to read this. Yes, we live in perilous times. It's Biblical. Prophecies are happening.

[@mimij4660]

Thank you same to you and yours

[@sparkeymcmurphy]

Same to you, Darlin'! ❤❤❤

[@philippad1456]

How can someone take a part of a skull in a crime scene... That's psychotic.

[@philippad1456]

@@kathysemrau2301 that is true and that's why is sick. Love these stories too 😊

[@kdcats4092]

for the same reason so many are interested in true crime. It was a big news story and the person wanted a souvenir to make them seem to have special knowledge of the case. Yes it is gruesome but if your life had been spent farming amd raising animals to slaughter for food, blood and gore may not have bothered them in the same way we who have only seen the end result of meat packaged in our grocery stores. Do you think those who look for crime scene photos online are as warped as whoever picked up the piece of skull? Has it been established as to who took the bone? Could it have actually been the murderer who took it?

[@fadeblac5633]

People are morbid. Look at us loving this channel. 😂....

[@philippad1456]

@@fadeblac5633 lol yes! But would you take a part of a skull? Not me 😆

[@kdcats4092]

@@kathysemrau2301 a young woman killed another in a nearby city years ago and kept a part of her skull is why I think it could possibly be the killer, especially seeing as how it sounds rather chaotic in the investigation of the axe murders. If you are interested look up Christa Pike from Knoxville TN to learn more about the murderer near my area

[@catsordogs_lh]

I absolutely love the special effects of the old-timey photos, the blinking of the eyes and the slight head and body movements make them so eery and creepy, very awesome special effects!!!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

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[@carolyng5044]

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[@robertafierro5592]

Yes! I was looking for something recent and was sadly surprised to see nothing from ODDIE in a very long time..these read alouds, is what I call them, are just terrific to listen to while you're walking or even doing housework..

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Hi Roberta, well it was only about four weeks ago on this channel my last upload, and two weeks ago on my second channel ObsoleteOddity-Reloaded

[@debicorwin6978]

I live and grew up here in Iowa and these murders are still talked about today. My youngest son has gone and spent the night there and said that the house has a strange feel to it. He also said that he saw a child’s ball roll by itself on the floor and they could hear footsteps. Thank you for sharing this. Love how you tell these stories. ❤️

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@ilahildasissac1943]

That is creepy.

[@phaedrapage4217]

As a fellow Iowan I can attest that this case is indeed very much still talked about. Every time something happens and multiple people in one family die, regardless of the manner of death, it's compared to the Villisca axe murders, including that time the guy in Richland unintentionally blew up his house killing most of his family.

[@tinas4838]

This has to be one of the most horrid massacres in any town.

[@brendabautista9683]

My son toured it last fall and said it had such a creepy feel

[@pbhoulden8212]

Yes it was. People I feel get caught up too much in the paranormal/ghost hunting aspect of it and don't stop to realize this was where 8 people, 6 of them kids, were brutally and senselessly murdered.

[@avalondreaming1433]

@@pbhoulden8212 I agree. People need to respect the dead.

[@nancyvolker3342]

this was a very sad case the children involved made it even sadder

[@petabulmer7345]

Anyone who kills a child is scum...

[@85AngelRogue]

Anyone who harms a child deserves the worst kind of death

[@jaegrimoire1434]

Iowa native checking in! I had the great pleasure of meeting Kelly Rundle, the director of "Vallisca: Living with a mystery" at a viewing and roundtable discussion in 2006. Very caring and carefully made documentary. Mr. Rundle was very passionate about the project and it was interesting to hear him speak. There is a legend I had heard that the bleeding heart flowers Mrs. Moore planted never bloomed again after the murders. When the house was restored they finally bloomed. Another well done video. Stay well!

[@AaronDanieltenni]

That’s the most heartbreaking story, ever. Just..I can imagine anyone just happy planting flowers and things happen so fast to stop their happiness..Mrs. Moore including..just smiling and all of a sudden that happens..

[@pbhoulden8212]

I also have met the Rundles ( I attended a special town hall type event they held in Red Oak back in 2012 for the 100th anniversary) and they definitely know their stuff. Very well done documentary - I own the DVD of it - and I recall hearing that bleeding heart flowers story (SAD) from either them or Darwin and Martha Linn, who owned and restored the house.

[@wht-rabt-obj]

Every time I see a picture of those sweet little kids, it just breaks my heart that they died so scared and violently. Poor babies. 🥺

[@lovinitall6639]

My understanding is that none of them woke up ,died while still asleep

[@Panda-cute]

@@lovinitall6639 Lena woke up apparently since she showed signs of trying to escape the bed, but at least the others appeared not to wake :( @Missy Cabic

[@shirleysavitts9647]

I have been missing seeing ObsoleteOddity for several months, then I came across this. and straight off,= in the photo of the family, the mom moved her eyes. Thank you so much for sharing this.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much!

[@lorrydodge5917]

Me too Ive been watching reruns lol

[@elvisneedsboatsbennett2455]

I read "The Man From The Train", it's theory was there was a man who traveled all over the country by hopping trains, picking a house with a firewood pile and a young girl in the household, watching the house to get an idea of how many people he was dealing with, and then killing everyone before hopping onto another train to make his escape. These murders started in the 1890's and continued for 25 or 30 years, I can't remember. The book even names a suspect for the murders and lays out why this man is the suspect.

[@bigdbigooo7829]

Well you have the ax man of New Orleans, killed many with their own ax. Very similar

[@elvisneedsboatsbennett2455]

@@bigdbigooo7829 the book states that the axe man of New Orleans is a completely different killer. mostly because the man from the train is far more effective a killer than the axe man. the axe man had many survivors of the attacks, whereas the man from the train never left any survivors and killed over a very long period of time.

[@shirleysavitts9647]

There was a chilling movie about that , when he killed everyone, he ate his meal, washed up,, slept in their beds for a bit, before moving off on and other train. The bacon left in their bedrooms might have signified they were pigs in his eyes.. dead ones in this case.

[@joannaw5913]

I have read that book too. Very interesting and the author’s theory makes a lot of sense.

[@joannaw5913]

The motive is killing people. As is the case with all psychopaths.

[@lauraduplooy]

I am always delighted to see all the hidden gems you've collected to accompany your narratives. Occasionally, I'm struck by how much effort is most likely required to procure them. The entirety of your presentation(s) is of the utmost quality. However, I believe it is your historically accurate images (and they way you gently animate them) that are the proverbial icing on the cake. I thank you. Your dedication is deeply appreciated, my friend.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much Laura!

[@pattihawks93]

Agreed!🙏🧡✌️

[@patsyhoekstra4722]

@@ObsoleteOddity Dear OO. I am from Iowa and dabble in historical research. The bit of info that Villisca might take its name from a Native word meaning "Evil Spirit" is interesting. I have wondered for a long time if certain locations where more modern crimes occur are connected by locus to historical events, where carnage occurred in the past, while natives warred with other tribes and with white settlers on the frontier. If you ever want to hear the story of the quintuple murder of a family near Bonaparte, Iowa, around 2007, I would spin the connections to past and present in great detail, from my files. The murderer in this tale is alive in prison right now, for killing his parents and three blonde high school cheerleader sisters in their family home. He should have plead innocent due to the evil location of his family home. The home is located on the spot where a phrenologist and patent medicine doctor hid the remains of Sauk and Fox Chief Black Hawk, robbed from his grave, shortly after the journal of phrenology published a study of the Chief's death mask. The potter's daughter, who was 14 yo at the time, recorded her eyewitness account of the event as an old woman. The Dr. boiled the skull in an iron pot to take off the flesh and hair. He wanted to take the skull out east for phrenology lectures, but having no use for the skeleton bones, he threw those in the outhouse. An antebellum stone building, home to the lock tender on the Des Moines River, stands to this day, beside the marked gravesite of Black Hawk. A famous painted, the Funeral of Black Hawk," hangs in the National Museum in Washington, DC, memorializing his burial on the left bank of the river. I researched the death of Black Hawk and events shortly after his death for about fives years, trying to figure the true ending to answer the question, where did the skull and bones finally end up? I quit this mad study when the brother killed his three sisters and parents. This is a case ripe for discoveries in the study of evil, Ponerology. Believe me. Are some places the center of evil for all time? [e-mail]

[@ObsoleteOddity]

@@patsyhoekstra4722 Yes I would love to learn more from your research, thank you. I will send you a contact mail.

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Thank you so much!

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I hope he just keeps growing his channel bigger and bigger. He deserves it.

[@BabyLuna8824]

This was great. I’m stuck in the hospital because I have uterine cancer and had surgery. The way you do your storytelling comforts me. I love the way you also present your videos. ☺️

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thanks for your very kind feedback - much appreciated :) Sorry to hear of your illness, sending you well wishes and hoping for a speedy recovery.

[@jturtle5318]

How are you doing?

[@BonnieCassler-dx6sd]

Have you ever heard of the Axman of New Orleans? I like to hear your take on him. And then of course,there's Lizzie Borden. Ax murders were quite numerous here in the States,back between the mid eighteen hundreds,to early nineteen hundreds. I don't know how anyone can do such a thing,and than eat,and sleep afterward. They must be insane,or a sociopath.

[@arunimasaha4171]

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[@ObsoleteOddity]

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Tea sounds good right now.

[@arunimasaha4171]

@Kyril J no . The Covid-19 pandemic is going on so government has issued lockdown/ home Quarantine for us. Even though things are lifting a little bit week by week

[@billieyelash]

Arunima Saha we are probably in the same region loll

[@aneesaali2404]

@Kyril J Are you from the moon?!!!!

[@pbhoulden8212]

Thanks for posting this. The Villisca Axe Murder is the Midwest's answer to Lizzie Borden or the Amityville murders. It's also a horrific senseless crime and the oldest cold case in Iowa history. I have visited the house at least two dozen times over the last 20 years. In fact I was working as a newspaper reporter in nearby Shenandoah in 1999 when I covered the very first paranormal investigation by a group from Omaha. I also own four different books on the murder, including Bill James' "The Man From the Train," as well as a very well-done documentary called "Villisca: Living With a Mystery." Very interesting experiences in that house over the years in subsequent visits with friends. Yes the haunting/paranormal stuff is interesting but I am endlessly fascinated and haunted by what happened that night, the true "Whodunit??" question. I always tell people Villisca was the perfect storm - a dark, overcast night, no street lights, the strange visiting minister, Reverend Kelly and the similarities to so many other murders in the Midwest and Plains states at the time. For my two cents' worth, I feel this was the work of a deranged (clearly) serial killer who traveled the railroads around the US and would choose a town at random whenever the urge to murder hit him. I feel he snuck into town, unnoticed, and hid in the Moore's backyard barn the evening before and observed the family, then waited patiently. This had to be a person who knew how to sneak into a dark house at night, undetected and how to move about said house quickly and efficiently, striking his victims so as to not wake the others. However, I do also feel Reverend Kelly, given his prior history of window peeping and sexual impropriety, was on one of his nighttime strolls. I think he was lurking around in the shadows near the Moore home that night and just happened to see and/or hear something related to the crime. I can't prove it 100% but I also cannot disprove it, given Kelly's history of disturbing behavior before and after the murders. On a side note, the newspaper clipping at the very end needs clarification. Mrs. Sarah Stillinger, the mother of Lena and Ina, did not die from shock of the crime but sadly, the same week of the murders, gave birth prematurely to a stillborn baby boy. So the poor woman lost 3 children in a week, it's amazing she did not actually die from the shock and stress. I believe she died sometime in the 1940s. But the article was correct in that the Stillingers lost most of their farm in a fire that fall of 1912. Obviously a very tragic and forgettable year for that poor family. Thanks again for sharing, very well done video and I'm sorry to be long winded lol. I'm just fascinated by this case and can't stop thinking about it whenever I see a new YT video on it.

[@phaedrapage4217]

I've always felt that Rev Kelly had something to do with it. I've never been to the house despite living in Iowa my whole life but it's something I've always wanted to check out.

[@aquariusrose5621]

I love how you put these videos together...the dialogue, pictures and the research are done so professionally!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you very much!

[@mightydr4254]

Idk why but the way you speak is soo satisfying and aesthetically pleasing.. keep up the good work!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Wow, thank you!

[@cindihillis7047]

Yes !!

[@saraboyd1892]

He’s very good at his commentary and research.

[@NDH]

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[@ghostcityshelton9378]

@@ritawashere5787 @rita pita A big WELCOME ! To Oddie's wonderful community....You can't find a better creater on You Tube then Oddie who doesn't 'just' do videos, but he is a wonderful friend to all of us.

[@DarkAngel71180]

Naked Dancing Heathen enjoy???? Children were murdered but ok as long as you 'enjoyed' it. Fucking gross.

[@celialovett5880]

Thank you for your respectful and well researched telling of this tragic story. While I'm a believer in paranormal research and think that the story of these people needs to be kept alive, the fact that this house is kept standing merely to be gawked at for titillation (and most importantly, perhaps the spirits within perpetually tormented by any Joe Blow curious about ghosts and able to shell out the dollars for overnight rental) for personal profit is distasteful to me. All of the victims are buried close by and their graves are also exploited for mere entertainment value. I do agree with your assessment of the murderer. I've always thought "Reverend" Kelly a very likely suspect but the number of unsolved axe murders in the Midwest lends serious doubt to that conclusion. Ultimately, I just wish the victims and their families peace.

[@breezelmaydel]

Lots of weird stuff going on in that town at the same time...it's strange that there were so many suspects.

[@pbhoulden8212]

Yep, I always say Villisca was a perfect storm. You had a dark overcast night, no streetlights on, the rivalry between Mr. Moore and Mr. Jones then on top of that, that freakazoid Rev. Kelly just happened to be in town that night. It's like the perfect ingredient or character list for a Stephen King novel yet the scary thing is it really happened!

[@Frossiart]

One more addition, insight about the telephone being covered. Back then EVERYONE was on a single party line as multiple lines were not a thing, the telephones back then didn't have a filter, if you picked up the phone, you might be able to hear what was going on in another resident, which might be why the phone was covered to muffle sounds going out, but, I would think this would be a regular habit of homeowners to cover their phones with that knowledge. My Grandmother had a party line all the way up to the 1980's where at least 5 other households in the area all were rung at the same time because it is cheaper. Party lines are still offered up on landlines, but NOW it's an _extra_ service, a perk, which is pretty laughable in this day and age.

[@TheCat72850]

Being a nerdy kid intrigued by gruesome crimes, I had originally read an account of this many years ago. Have also watched probably some of the same documentaries as you. However, this was so well researched (thank you Sarah!) that it gave me new info about the case. Thank you!!!

[@eily_b]

Only murderers who knew their victims or had a personal relationship with them cover the faces of their victims or cover the whole bodies. My guess is the killer knew the family.

[@dcbeez5956]

Are you meaning that he was covering his guilt and didn't want to see what he has done to faces that are familiar ❓

[@courtneyheverling4610]

It is just so hard trying to get into a mind like this person had. Especially not even knowing the person. So frustrating and we will never truly know.

[@AverageAmerican]

@@dcbeez5956 Yes, I'd say to lesson the guilt. To escape the face to face conviction from the lifeless gaze of someone familiar. When a murder victim is found with the face covered, chances are very high the assailant knew the victim. This doesn't mean they are covered every time persons are killed by someone who knew them. However, the perpetrater is not wanting the stares, the eyes of the slain convicting them, so take the action of hiding the deceased face. Since there is an elevated probability victim and perp were associated, the chances are low it was a stranger.

[@charlessawyer6953]

@@dcbeez5956 Bingo, I think you said it perfectly. The killer knew them.

[@katelynnlee5158]

@@dcbeez5956 Yes. He even went as far as to cover all of the mirrors and close all of the windows (basically anything that show any reflections). I'm not sure if he knew them personally, but I'm sure that he knew them enough to know about their daily routines. That's why he was able to hide in the attic and wait. He could be some bitter neighbor, church goer, mailman, clerk at the stores that they family shopped at, basically any spectator who was ever around the family all the time.

[@ronaldbelken396]

I love his voice it puts me to sleep. I fall asleep with my glasses on and in the morning i have to search the bed for my phone. The preacher did it

[@jamiebarnett9058]

Oddie I so enjoy the way you report the vintage crimes. For this one, your detective work at the end was even better. Disappointed the murderer was not stopped and brought to justice.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much for reaching out with your kind feedback Jamie :)

[@johnbender5356]

HEY we've missed you

[@pbhoulden8212]

A couple of other creepy notes about the Villisca case and some eerie incidents around the case: - At around 10 PM on Sunday night, around the same time the Moores and Stillingers were leaving the church, night watchman and marshal Hank Horton saw a mysterious man walking across the town square from the southwest corner to the east. Horton called out to the man to ask who he was but the stranger just kept on walking off into the darkness. - The family and Stillingers were briefly joined by a couple of other friends and children from the church service, brothers Floyd and Orville Watt, who lived somewhere past the Moore home. They were most likely the last people to see the Moores and Stillingers alive. But the spooky part is either the Watt boys or one of the other kids claimed they saw a person hiding behind a tree or in the bushes near the Moore home as the group was coming down the street toward the house. The Moore home did in fact have a few taller shady oak or elm trees in the front yard. Who was this man and why this story did not get more attention through the years has always made me curious. - At around 2 or 3 AM Monday morning, most likely just after the murders, Xenia Delaney, the overnight phone operator at the exchange office downtown reported she heard someone walking up the fire escape staircase to the office door and rattle the doorknob. Fortunately it was locked but this was not a normal incident, as the night watchman typically did not check upstairs office doors during his nightly checks. Plus Xenia had worked at the office for at least a year previous and this was the first and only time such a thing happened. Just who was this mysterious "vistor"???

[@LoveAuntieJan]

GREETINGS, my good friend Oddie! Miss you and your stories desperately!! Thank you so much for uploading and not forgetting your KZbin family! Give my best to Oddette...both of you stay safe, healthy and happy during this scary and uncertain times. GOD BLESS❤️

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@dr.dee_laish]

Even though the narration might be quite weird and uncanny, the voice of Mr. Oddie is way too soothing that it helped me fight my insomnia since the past few days😊✌

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much for reaching out with your kind feedback 😊

[@lonestar1637]

All throughout this bizarre case, my mind kept thinking “Boy, I wish Frank Hamer was on the case”. He was the Texas Ranger that tracked down Bonnie and Clyde. Always got his man. What was the deal with the bacon? God rest their souls.

[@davidbruce5524]

Kelly, Frank Hamer and my wife's grandfather, Duke Hudson were Texas Ranger partners on the Rio Grande operating out of Del Rio before WWI. I agree, while Duke died relatively young, Hamer went on to carve a LEGEND for himself. Hamer and Duke when they were young Rangers ---> www.findagrave.com/memorial/66414425/robert-marmaduke-hudson

[@4uhDamagecase]

I was in the area where bonnie and clyde were gunned down not too long ago. I was doing some survey work out that way and my boss and I drove out there on our lunch break since it was close. Gibsland, I think it was called.

[@tinasmith5676]

masterbatory aid.....lube

[@brendabautista9683]

I think the killer was going to take the meat.it was tough time

[@bwktlcn]

We forget that essentially all they had forensically was fingerprints, shoe prints, etc. No DNA, no crime scene reconstruction (well, half the town came thru, anyway).

[@razztazz1982]

Evil people live amongst us. This story is horrifying. Good upload & narration.

[@bossyheifer]

Excellent job presenting this. It's a fascinating and disturbing case. What I find odd is that the killer used the blunt side of the ax on ALL the victims. Why? Most people would use the sharp side of the weapon (I'm reminded of the Lizzie Borden case) rather than the side that would require far more force to inflict damage. The sheer ferocity of the blows seems to indicate either insanity or a lot of rage directed at these people in particular. However, I think the thought process involved in covering all the windows and remembering to lock all the doors almost certainly rules out a truly insane person. As for covering the mirrors, I would guess that person was either highly religious or superstitious, although I doubt it was done as a symbol of "mourning" where in some cultures they cover the mirrors so that the mourners focus on the deceased rather than their own appearance. The packages of bacon could mean something or nothing. I can't imagine someone who was cognizant enough to cover mirrors and windows and lock doors would leave such valuable rations behind. My best guess is that this was someone that felt like they had a reason to be angry at this family, that maybe they felt they had been cheated or wronged in some way and they took their anger out on them at a time when it was likely they would all be in the house (they probably didn't count on the two Stillinger girls being there) and they clearly timed the murders where it would be hours before anyone would think to check on the family. I think it's likely that there was a level of planning done and that whoever was really responsible would know that it was likely a tramp or deviant would be blamed because of the nature of the town. Just a theory of course.

[@90blacknight]

Yes, returning to the bodies to repeatedly smash the skulls seems to indicate that the murderer knew the families, and felt enormous rage and hatred towards them. Of coarse, a deranged serial killer might do that to the bodies as well, out of sheer enjoyment? You'd think a hired gun would to the job and get the hell out of there as quick as possible.

[@hollyhilpert9417]

Yeah, using the blunt edge, instead of the blade of the axe is odd. During this time period there were other axe murders of some other families. You have to remember in some of these small towns, and farms, people didn't have electric or gas stoves. They often used wood burning stoves. There were also kerosene stoves, like ones by the Perfection Stove company.Later on there were actually kitchen stoves that used gasoline.Yes gasoline just like your car. Hathi Trust has the 1936 Jubilee Anniversary catalog of Sears Roebuck. You can see these stoves for yourselves.

[@adonis819]

Oddie I do not know how you manage to dig up so much amazing history but we love you and appreciate your dedication.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I appreciate that!

[@littlemouse9900]

Was so jazzed when I saw you posted! I always love me a good oddie story! 💛

[@eileeng2492]

Oddie, as a therapist, the covid lockdown meant a constant stream of crisis and difficulties from the families I work with. By the end of the week, I'm spent. Sometimes I meditate or listen to upbeat podcast. But slot of times I listen to these stories. There is something about your presentation that allows me to relax and listen with interest and not emotion. I think you should do weekly national broadcast to assure all of us,all will be well.lol Thank you!!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thanks for your really great feedback Eileen, a truly wonderful compliment - much appreciated :)

[@Evehawk87]

Excellent piece! Thank you so much for putting this together Oddie. Looking forward to the next one.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you for your kind feedback my friend - much appreciated :)

[@TROLLDETECTIVE2]

Oddies creations are so much better than all the true crime shows I watch which are sensationalised and over-dramatised. Even though this story is so unbelievably tragic, the creativity and soft voice makes for a sad yet captivating ambience. A one off channel that's for sure. Well done Oddie and thank you ✅

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thanks for your really great feedback, a truly wonderful compliment - much appreciated :)

[@reeseni7620]

Thank you. I heard of this many years ago and it has always stuck with me. I guess because I am in the Forensics field. And the children. Why do people think it's alright to hurt children I will never understand.

[@reeseni7620]

Why has no one analyzed to saliva on the cigarette butts for DNA?

[@MelissaRogers_natesLilgirl5]

Reese Ni Great question...they really need to do this, and who knows, maybe in doing so, they can find close relatives of the killer.

[@juaquiene7733]

@@MelissaRogers_natesLilgirl5 OMG @Melissa imagine you do one of those 23 and me tests. Then find out your great great granddad was the murderer. That would make for some interesting if not tense family reunions.

[@reinamatheny9972]

I gave up trying to understand these sick, demented people and I hope I never understand their brain~ they are just plain EVIL!

[@seeniebear3234]

What did the evps say ??

[@GJYYC]

Thanks for narrating the written sections! I like to listen while I'm busy doing chores and work. Excellent story!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you very much for your kind feedback Jen - much appreciated :)

[@ivoneray1472]

omg! What a horrific crime!!!! The special effects make the story even more scarier! I love it!

[@emilyflotilla931]

Haunting. So many these days want to say Chris Watts was the most famous murderer in America, and the worst. Thanks to you I'm educated on the fact that serial killers and family murders have been going on for years...every death is sad, and none are any worse than others. I agree with you about the post murder sexual component..eerily creepy. It's a shame so much evidence was destroyed. Thanks as always for a most interesting glimpse into the past!

[@Sunshine_Daydream222]

Who thinks Watts is the most famous or worst? Pretty sure Holmes still holds that title, is it because his crimes are still fresh?

[@emilyflotilla931]

@@Sunshine_Daydream222 I think Holmes was worse, but the murder of any life is a tragedy. I don't think Watts would have had the coverage he did had Shannan not been so public on Facebook. I think of both the recent Jones murders, the family in Orlando by the physical therapist, and the recent deaths of the family murderd by Carbon Monoxide in the family car, and the Hart family deaths were a much larger scale, and didn't draw the attention Watts did by many KZbin creators. Watts was a money maker for many until KZbin began demonizing crime channels. Watts was solved in 3 days, and although the psychological aspect is interesting, it didn't warrant endless videos of looking at the spot he pooped in!

[@zazaaziella16]

@Onion FaceThe Chris Watts Case horrifies people , because of the extreme Psychopathic nature. There are many photos of Chris Watts posing with his daughters and wife like a happy family man. Also, the way in which he stuffed their bodies into a hole leading to the oil tank. He had to push them in so hard , hair and scalp were found on the opening.

[@MimiJoys]

I believe Ted Bundy is the most notorious serial killer in The USA! There certainly have been a slew of movies made about him!! Several recent movies and many over the years!! Far more attention than he deserves! Maybe I notice all the movies about that evil monstrosity, because he murdered a sister and her friend of a dear friend of mine in 1976.

[@klvr5863]

Once again Oddie, you and Sarah, have proven why you are the best true crime channel on KZbin! Thank you again for a wonderfully researched story.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you very much for your kind feedback my friend, great compliment - much appreciated :)

[@Karmah01]

Oddie, I'm SO glad you did this video! I have been so fascinated by this for years! I haven't watched it yet....I have a Dr. appointment and I need to leave in a few minutes. Gonna stop at the store on my way home and get some snacks, get in my comfies and settle down to watch this! I'm so excited! It's gonna be good! I just know it! 😁 Thanks again, Oddie!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Hope you like it!

[@lesliemelissa7330]

I listen/watch your page every day at work. It helps pass my day. Thank you for that ! and i am one of the people who yes, does hit like before i watch them. I painted my whole house this summer while listening as well !! Love this ! Stay Well :)

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Wonderful! Thank you so much for reaching out with your kind feedback 😊

[@steve9359]

I live in Omaha, NE and have been the Villisca multiple times. My wife stayed the night in the house with a mutual friend's paranormal research team - Nevermore Paranormal back in 2013. She said that she heard the stairs creak like someone was walking up them multiple times along with children's voices while the team was recording in the two upstairs bedrooms. It was a Summer night and she said the house was got eerily cold around 1 am. My friend said it was one of the most active sites that they ever studied.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

It's very interesting Steve, I have read that the house can be booked for such events. I watched quite a few videos of EVPs captured in the house, one in particular where the recorder was left on overnight, and recorded children's screams. Very creepy.

[@angelagillett1033]

The closet dore moves by it self.

[@angelagillett1033]

People also claim the barn is haunted also.

[@angelagillett1033]

Door

[@pbhoulden8212]

I live in Omaha as well and I covered the first paranormal investigations for the Valley News Today paper in Shenandoah back in 1999. I have been in that house at least 2 dozen times over the years covering other investigations and just on private visits with friends. I remember feeling cold chills on warm humid summer nights and hearing distant disembodied giggling.

[@sherrylowery9642]

YOU are more than just a channel that we listen to throughout our day.You are a friend whose voice is like a friend who helps me get started with my day.You have so much talent and are able to give a well understood mental image with the words that describes in perfection what has happened along with the discovery of the

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thanks for your kind words Sherry, that's so nice of you.

[@zephyr2731]

Another great one, Oddie!!! I was heading to bed when I saw this posted and had to watch! Well worth it. Thanks!!!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I'm happy it was worth waiting up for Lawrence! Thanks my friend.

[@debbieschultz9768]

I love your stories. This actually kind of scared me. Such evil and very sad. Thank you for this knowledge that you shared with everyone.

[@jackiebinns6205]

I was born the next town over .. In Red Oak Iowa , you did a great job Oddie !😂

[@MustObeyTheRules]

I live by there, it’s a shithole meth town

[@jackiebinns6205]

@@MustObeyTheRules its small Country town Iowa i know what it is ! Its what you make it ! Stay away from the meth heads duh !

[@lisadempsey9259]

Oddie!!! So grateful to listen to your presentations again!! Hang in there...love you😘

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thanks for your very kind feedback Lisa, I appreciate it :)

[@juliebailey7070]

Hey oddie, I love how you gave us a story so close to where I live. Growing up, we heard about this story

[@brendarawls1080]

I especially liked this one. It had a lot of mystery and took place in the area of the United States where I grew up. Thank you so much for reading. I feel like I get a bed time story every time I listen to one of your stories. You have quickly become my most sought after story teller, although your stories are said to be true. Thanks again

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much Brenda!

[@MadHatterDJ-]

Great presentation. I'm in the uk but I heard about this story watching the investigation on the 'dead files' If their findings are to be believed it was the Rev along with a couple of accomplices. There's also some more information about the ham on there. It's absolutely shocking that all those people were aloud through the house. Thanks for sharing.

[@1Swoody]

Wow! you really set the dark mood of these vicious murders! creepy footsteps, creaky stairs, shaded, obscured photos of men with axes. It was really well done and well-researched (yea Sarah!) Thanks again for another great video.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Glad you enjoyed it Susan! Thanks for your very kind feedback - much appreciated :)

[@lowrider81hd]

Hey did you ever think of taking a look at the unsolved Hinterkaifeck murders in Germany? An entire family wiped out in their sleep. 6 dead, March 1922.

[@christine7956]

According to the book The Man From the Train,it was the same guy.

[@lowrider81hd]

Chris the same guy as...?

[@christine7956]

@@lowrider81hd Henry Mueller

[@brendabautista9683]

Wasnt to found dead in the barn too in Germany

[@flordeamapolita]

I live fairly close to this. My husband has actually done work in this town. They have tours and even overnights in this house for very reasonable prices. Never been brave enough to do it even though I'm only about an hour away. Thanks, Oddie, you covered this beautifully!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Glad you enjoyed the presentation my friend!

[@POCKET21923]

Your *blab blas" are as entertaining as your videos! Glad I'm a Patreon member! I don't want to miss a word.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I appreciate that!

[@56karlei]

My thanks to Sara who helped you bring history to life. I always thought that horrible crimes like this was a more recent occurrence. Thanks again for your wonderful work.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much!

[@Ariel_ButNotTheMermaid]

Ahhhhh... wonderful content to help me fall asleep ! Certain voices help with my insomnia and calm my soul!💜

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Happy to help!

[@aimeeagatha7454]

Thank you so much Oddie for sharing your Patreon videos with us and temporarily lifting the veil of monotonous offerings during these dreary days. Your videos are always a happy joy! Aimee Agatha. Hoping all is well with you and the Mrs.!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Glad you enjoying them! Thank you very much for your kind feedback Aimee - much appreciated :)

[@markallen3293]

It is great to hear from you again, I clicked so fast on your channel I think I got a cramp in my clicker finger. God Bless You, your lovely Wife, puppy and kitty. Mark, Bemidji, MN. USA. sub.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much 😀 Greetings to you and your family.

[@markallen3293]

@@ObsoleteOddity :)

[@michaelsroka3041]

So much care and time is spent on these videos. They are so well done. I love these! Excellent job!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you very much!

[@tammypilgrim3764]

Went to Villisca in September. We spent the night in the house, and captured EVP's. I don't think it was Rev Kelly who murdered this family. My money is on Blackie and Frank Jones. I think Jones paid him to kill his rival.

[@shellbells339]

And staged the meats and glass of bloody water to look like a drifter, maybe.

[@seeniebear3234]

What were the evps ???

[@DarkAngel71180]

seenie bear they were interference through a process called 'frequency hopping,' which is in use all the time. EVPs are not evidence of ghosts, just the existence of radio waves.

[@joelewing4498]

@@DarkAngel71180 +Devi: Then how do you explain that many times if you ask the spirit box a question, you'll get a direct answer....sometimes even saying YOUR OWN name in the response? EVP is for real. Spirits DO utilize these radio to respond many times.

[@debbieprokop9401]

I so enjoy the moving picture's! Thank you for such a wonderful presentation and research on this horrible crime! I enjoy listening to you, your voice is comfortable and warm!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much!

[@tamarrajames3590]

I hadn’t heard this one in a long time, but I think it was about the girl, and he killed parents first then the children, the girl who had caught his eye, and finally making sure he had actually killed the parents. Reverends rarely came under suspicion in these days. His early and abrupt leaving town raises suspicions as well as him peeking in windows and sending bloody clothing to the laundry in a different town. For all we know he may have done the other axe murders as well, given that he travelled. He may have thought the desire for children was an evil sent upon him by Satan, and only by this means could he lay it to rest. Strange case all round in my view, but I feel the children are the key here. The turning down of the wick was a trick known by many I would think. Thank you for the reminder of a very dark and confusing crime. Light and love, as always.🖤🇨🇦

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thanks for your very interesting insights Tamarra - I must admit the case still leaves many unanswered questions for me; but I have to agree with many points you made. Whether lust was the motive or a case of opportunity presented, we'll never know - but it wasn't robbery and the extreme violence certainly indicates someone totally unhinged.

[@inspire734]

@@ObsoleteOddity People don't think of this, but a lot of murders are committed by Satanist. They do it as a sacrifice to Satan. They are protected and go unpunished, until after the Judgement of course. All we do is noted down here. I do hypnosis and things come out. People get demons in them and when they can hear them the people are branded scitzophrenic. I remove spirits from people places and things. A person under is like an empty vessel and others can speak through. The Higher Self is the ones that monitor us for Lord Enki-God. No body gets away with anything really. Enlil the Satan is better known as Jehovah. People use to sacrifice babies and others to him, it is in the bible and they still do. People are not aware of it. A lot of people go missing cause of these demonic possessed ones. Any person that kills another has a demon inside them. Most people are not into destroying another human.

[@tinasmith5676]

rev kelley was involved, ff jones hired the killer......mansfield... i was obsessed with this house...had to stop. something followed me home..was BAD

[@pandorawillow2506]

Makes sense. He knew the family (which lots of times if the killer knows the victim they end up covering their faces) and he would have known the girls were going to be spending the night with the moore's. You gave me something to think about :O

[@tamarrajames3590]

Miz Jae Glad I could help.🖤🇨🇦

[@JDReeve2008]

This was a great video. Most of what I've learned about this incident has come solely from paranormal tv shows. Your presentation shed more light on the story. Thank you!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thanks for your very kind feedback, I appreciate it. :)

[@rosemarypinto2587]

Wonderful loved it so much felt like I was right there and the sounds and pictures great but especially your beautiful voice just wonderful thank you so much

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much!

[@googieegg6527]

Dear Mr Oddity what a horrific story but so brilliantly delivered as always. Your presentations are so professional, the movement in the old photos is just sensational. You're the best on KZbin by far. Look forward to seeing your subs in the millions, you deserve it! Thank you again and greetings from Australia cheers

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thanks for your very kind feedback, great compliment - much appreciated :)

[@LisaForTruth]

I'm pretty sure that around that time, covering mirrors in a place where people had died was a superstition to keep the dead in their graves, or something like that. Obviously, covering the windows served a useful purpose

[@ghostcityshelton9378]

It's so the sprite of the dead can't enter the mirror. But sprites don't hold with that too much from what I've seen and read about. Your sprite leaves the body at the time of death, it is not stuck in a grave.

[@annvictor9627]

According to Chabad.org, mirrors are covered during the seven days of mourning. One reason is to keep from distracting oneself by checking one's appearance. According to Kabbalists, it's to keep one from seeing the otherwise invisible. evil or demonic spirits that are attracted to the void left by a death. Read the entire page of Why-Are-the-Mirrors-Covered-in-a-House-of-Mourning. It's quite interesting. Some Catholic countries use the custom. Apparently some non-Christian cultures also do it. One of the reasons I just read was to prevent the mirror from trapping the soul of the dead person (I think that dates to when the wakes/visitations were held at home). Another belief I ran across was that a person who looked into a mirror after a death would die soon. If it wasn't a custom among any of the families in Villisca, it could suggest that the killer or killers were outsiders.

[@angelagillett1033]

Covering the mirrors , was about making sure you soul did not get trapper in them, they also kept one window open, so your spirit could leave.

[@kawaiimitchiko7669]

Hi Oddity...a 5 year AVID fan over here...i missed yiu for 3 years..i really got so busy since i moved in to Canada from the philippines..now im BACK listening to you 🤩🤩🤩

[@ObsoleteOddity]

I hope you’re enjoying Canada my friend and thank you so much for revisiting me ☺️

[@vickinoeske1711]

I would not want to spend the night in that house, residual evil. Love the added orbs at the beginning.😊

[@ghostcityshelton9378]

I would luv too. Would like to see if I could find out any answers about the crime. Crazy sounding maybe but I have a feeling the murder (or murders) are condemned to stay in that house. Something doesn't want folks in that attic.

[@vickinoeske1711]

@@ghostcityshelton9378 Not crazy. I get the appeal of getting answers about what happened.

[@alastairhill-weddle5363]

What an horrific case! I don't understand why anyone would do such a thing, and why they couldn't at least have let the children live. Another great work, Oddie. This is why you should cordon off the scene until a Forensics team has done their sweep and no one else allowed in.

[@boogelliotgm]

I spent the night in this house with a small group of friends in 2012. It was the 100 year anniversary of the murders, and just before Halloween. The house is super creepy and you can definitely feel a heaviness to it, most especially under the stairs (where the neighbor girls probably hid) and very strongly in the attic. We experienced a bit of paranormal activity: loud knocking on the screen door but no one there, noises coming from the kitchen. It’s a tiny house and 8 of us could barely cram into the living room to try to sleep. It was freezing and there is no heat, electricity, or water in the house itself (bathroom facilities and a space heater were in a shed out back). When everyone else was sleeping (I couldn’t), I distinctly heard a growl coming from one corner of the room. It happened several times. It was certainly inside, and I have no explanation for it. It scared the absolute crap out of me. Paranormal stuff aside, just being in a place where such horror occurred is an experience in itself. That negative energy leaves a deep imprint, and as an empath, I found it quite overwhelming.

[@UpsetParsley]

I have been waiting for another upload from Oddie! How delightful. What a mystery.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@conniewilder7125]

I passed by this town on the way to visit my son. I don't get creeped out but this town definitely had a creepy vibe. I love your videos.

[@lillianosa]

Don't know how I missed this one I try to catch all of your videos. Also, I thought I had seen or read everything about this case but you, as always, take much time and leave nothing out. So there was alot I didn't know about. You are wonderful! I thank you!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you! 😊 Glad you enjoyed the presentation my friend!

[@nancysantamarialatica1141]

Hello Oddie. So happy your here. Hope alls well man. Much Much freakn love i send u

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Hey, thanks!

[@JPee-x4you]

Thank you Sarah and thank you sir for another awesome narration to a famous gruesome case. My favorite channel. Looking forward to many more. 👍

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much!

[@angelagillett1033]

I have been there several times. One of my favorite places. Spoken to the owner, he has long past. They do give you a guided tour of the graves. It's really sad. And point out buildings in the town. The house or houses next store have paranormal happenings them selves. The tour guide at the time , verry nice guy, has been on tv. He was telling me that they had a person come over and sprey the house. He said you could still see the blood splatter. Even after one hundred years.

[@emilyflotilla931]

Wow, creepy..wonder if GED match DNA could solve this case.

[@ghostcityshelton9378]

This is one I didn't know about. They did the same thing at the Lizzey Borden home. They sprayed under the couch in the living room, on the ceiling where the couch had been and in the basement at the dry sink area. Blood stains were in the walls, and on the metal bowl. I don't know if they sprayed the floor where the step mother was. They put the bodies on the dineing room table. Uck!

[@artemisthehuntress1076]

I think it's a bit weird how immensely I enjoy these stories....keep em coming! Brilliant work....😉

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much for reaching out with your positive feedback :)

[@Frossiart]

Whooooaaahhhh! Nice work at 2:06! I haven't been here in a while and this is the first time I've seen this effect! You are always a great story teller Oddy, and you make your videos very entertaining. Seems I'm going to have to do some catch up.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you very much!

[@angelaeason4218]

I live in Iowa and my Granddaughter and I visited Villisca. We did not encounter "evil" but, the kids played ball with us. We are not ghost hunters. We love history. Most town people think the believed that the killer was in the attic, which is a room between the kids and parents room. I do believe it was just a crazy person that sought them out. We love your work and watch your commentaries Always! Keep up the good work and continue doing your history work.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thanks for sharing that Angela, and thank you also for your positive feedback - much appreciated.

[@mariaq8087]

I always give a like before watching.. Lol

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Hey, thanks!

[@lynnegraceski4220]

Me too ! I know he'll never disappoint😁

[@lindajones4478]

Same here.👍❤❤❤❤

[@mariaq8087]

@@ObsoleteOddity the stories are good, and your voice is perfect. I listen in bed with my earphones in and the lights out, its all good

[@ChanaRo613]

@Under Bridge Truth!

[@axidentprone77]

I really enjoy the stories, gives me a place to escape to during this pandemic. Thank you for you passion that you share in the stories.

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Glad you like them!

[@lynnegraceski4220]

You are so nice to wake up to!!🎵🎵 thanks friend

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@MichelleFaithLove]

Nap time at the campground and I'm overjoyed to see another Oddity video. Love ❤️

[@deanaharris2625]

Thank you Oddie for this very sad and horrific story, but you told it so beautifully that I hung on every word.😁

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thank you so much Deana!

[@kimlivengood5916]

I have only just found your channel today. Well, this afternoon. It's getting close to midnight & I'm still watching your video's. I put my cordless earbuds on while I working around the house & cooking supper. I'm hooked !! Thanks so much for such interesting content. I look forward to more. TYFS

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Welcome aboard! Thanks for your very kind feedback Kim, I appreciate it.

[@POCKET21923]

I do think the stabbing was self-inflicted for added drama. Why would it be the ghost of the murderer? He didn't die there, did he?

[@davidhanson4909]

Why would the murderer's ghost use a knife and not an axe? The whiff of bullshit is strong with this one.

[@tinasmith5676]

that guy did stab himself....faking evidence...was a freak

[@cookiemunsterninjaa]

What I have heard before is that if something tragic happens the bad vibes stay there not him as a ghost but his negatively I'm not sure if im pronouncing it correctly 🤔

[@hollyhilpert9417]

But he might be for some strange reason reliving what he had done. Why I don't know, can't answer for evil.Think too the coward is afraid to face the ultimate judge, Jesus.Some may find that silly, but it's all i can come up with.

[@cherylcallahan5402]

TYVM 🌷🦋🌷 Obsolete Oddity again a tragic story that happened in 1912. Listening from Mass USA always love hearing history & trying to imagine such a hideous situation (crime) that took place. WOW

[@dawhiplady7784]

Whooop yeah your back 👍👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@nadinetice644]

What an incredibly horrific crime... Thank you Oddie! Excellent work as always, i feel as though, you continue to outdo yourself with each new video. Bravo!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Thanks for your really great feedback Nadine, a truly wonderful compliment - much appreciated :)

[@biddleTM]

he could be talking about puppies and kittens playing in a flower field and I'll still have this weird feeling of dread in my stomach

[@karenfankhauser1607]

🤯😱😳!

[@vintagelover4207]

So sad especially as children were involved and nobody was caught for the murders. Interesting to see your version of this story not only are you great to listen to but the effort that goes into the imagery and subtle details added in, great work Oddie 😃

[@ghostcityshelton9378]

Oh I remember this, the dude coming up the stairs😨 Reminds me of a house from the Revolution times one night when my roommate ran into my room next to hers ....footsteps...up the steps then went past my door, then came back and stopped just outside the door. I took the candle out of the wine bottle, raised it up, opened the door & we saw nothing. There was old fashion hand writing about her bed we couldn't make out. Downstairs a big cup was over turned on the fridge all the pens should have fallen but didn't & the big Great Adventures pencil was found on my room mate's pillow. She moved out...I wanted to stay but had to move cause without a room mate I couldn't pay the rent. I moved two homes down from that place, where I lived in an apt up stairs and it too was from the Revolution times and had wonderful ghosts. I was in the Army & not into ghost hunting at the time. The homes are still there.

[@jturtle5318]

Houses do acquire memories and energies. At the Gettysburg Battlefield they're out in broad daylight, looking almost like re-enactors.

[@ghostcityshelton9378]

@@jturtle5318 I have a few cool ghost pics from Gettysburg. I have to get back to doing my channel. I live in Maryland so Gettysburg isn't too far away.

[@2EternityButterflies]

We watched this the other night and it was really an interesting story. Just amazing! Thank you so much!

[@ObsoleteOddity]

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for your very kind feedback - much appreciated :)

[@joseleswopes4396]

Have heard it for many years I think it was the drifter. The bacon was probably brought in by him. Back in the day when someone died they would cover the mirrors. Back then they didn't investigate like we do now. Someone off the train maybe. Kelly wasn't tall enough to get the ax that high in the ceiling. The person has to be taller. I was thinking maybe the guy that was working on the train line he was a bigger man and worked the lines. He was very suspicious.

[@Mangos68]

I agree he was a frail small man and wouldn't be able to mangle many times with the axe The rooms back then were tiny so if anyone is 5ft 2 go there and see if the axe would have hit wall