John Refunded Lollipop Chainsaw Repop... Just How Bad Is It?

[@tim.fletcher]

The No More Heroes series, as much as it is well-liked, is also ridiculously heavy for what it is. Grasshopper needs to pick up their technical game.

[@Deep_wolf]

Engine Software.

[@NeoTechni]

"Missing fog effects" Did Konami have Hijinx Studios make it?

[@KingSigy]

What gets me with a lot of remasters is that the new art direction often completely changes the look of a game. That footage from Until Dawn looks totally different to the point that it’s not even the same thing.

[@bnbnism]

And often times looks worse while requiring 10x the hardware

[@rodryguezzz]

That already happened before with PS3 games remastered on PS4, but the problem now is that they are taking the assets of the original games, porting them to UE and releasing it as is. It's a different engine. It will always look different and they don't even try to hide that.

[@n0vi]

almost spit out my drink at the first "tha triple"

[@jkoz4]

I love the triple slang and am so here for it

[@Frankenfrana]

Chadwarden lives on!

[@shodanargie1574]

People on the steam forums for the game are delusional and tell me i should just edit inis and not complain

[@mondodimotori]

Editing inis? What is this?? 2004?

[@RusticRonnie]

@@mondodimotoristill pretty common, at least if you run weird hardware

[@alumlovescake]

People say this but almost no one likes how games looked back then. The muted colours, the shininess, the bloom its something that most people don't like

[@thelastofus2872]

​​@@alumlovescakeapart from the overuse of brown I actually still enjoy how 360 and ps3 games look and that was the last generation where we had full games and sequels released in a working full state. Since then it's been downhill.

[@jkoz4]

That is just unacceptable in 2024, nobody should have to “just edit the ini file” - what a joke.

[@carpetfluff35]

Visuals aside, the switch to UE5 fundamentaly broke a lot of the controls and combat animations, so the timing is off and it just feels wrong to play even if they hadn't borked the visual side of things.

[@teneesh3376]

The visuals are the nail in the coffin. The original was very comic inspired but couldn't go far enough. They should have made the shading and textures even more comic book like, not less. Characters look like plastic now. And oh boy the switch version is atrocious. Really should have been delayed. This isn't a game that everyone is clamouring for. Honestly I find the game extremely boring. But I know this game thrives on presentation. The pop songs and visuals are what make the game. It's definitely not the gameplay

[@michaelmonstar4276]

Man, this should've just been a port to UE4 with a good updating of everything. They've done that before, you know, in general, so why was this done so stupidly.

[@OrangeLightning]

Shows what happens when the rights holders and money heads behind a game force out a remaster without the input of any of the creatives that made the original. Now they're talking about doing a sequel lmao. Also wanted to add, Grasshopper Manufacture were not involved in this. I've played a few hours of Shadows of the Damned Remaster, which they actually were involved with, and it runs excellently on PS5 and has seemingly no changes from the original version. But people probably don't care about that because there's not as many boobs in it.

[@TJones4L]

Shadows of the Damned one of my favorite 360 games of all time

[@thelastofus2872]

I'm very pleased to hear this one is in better shape. I will pick it up since its a good price.

[@deathdoor]

Nobody knows the reason why it's "stupid heavy"? Everyone knows, it's called Unreal Engine 5.

[@oscarzxn4067]

Worst part Is that griftes were doing an inverse review bombing, so giving it 10/10's, on Metcritic just because its not "woke", they don't care about quality at all, More considering the OG has like a 73 on user scores while the new one has like a 90 just because of those 10's.

[@superwhizz114]

And that the director was on their side and retweeting posts from right-wingers. Complete shit show.

[@HumanManufactured]

Theres more hope for Shadows of the Damned remaster since its being developed in house by grasshopper manufacturer

[@Deep_wolf]

No, no hope.

[@HumanManufactured]

@Deep_wolf literally beat yesterday on my deck. Shits pretty good

[@chrislair6832]

Yeah, that game came out just as bad

[@MatrixAlphaCWX]

Studios should hire John to play the games first before release. Cuz obviously who ever they have now testing the games before "Launch" are blind as a bat.

[@novidsinthischannel]

I don't think that's what happened. I think the play testers were screaming that the game wasn't ready, and Konami's boardroom didn't give a crap. "Push it out the door anyways! We've got shareholders to please. Stupid customers will still gobble up the slop."

[@Graterstuuf]

As long as I have the original on 360, it didn’t have any screen tear and played well.

[@takeoyagami6970]

I agree! Most of 7th gen console games are better played on Xbox 360, yes, i like both Consoles PS3 & Xbox 360, but I always buy 360 ports if the game is available for both platforms unless exclusive games, I always like exclusive Wii Games playing with family and some games are single player.

[@thelastofus2872]

Yep and that generation of games needed all the extra help they could get ,they should have just re-release it, as is, on newer hardware so that the games could run at higher framerates and possibly AI upscale. Switching engines was a mistake but I can see the appeal

[@TatankaTaylor]

I still can't believe that these developers claim that they didn't do a full REMAKE because "fans asked us to do a remaster instead" WHAT?!? And the f*cked up part is that they still charge full price for the lousy port.

[@mondodimotori]

I mean, the OG game wasn't bad, and being stuck on 7th gen it made sense to remaster it. JUST, it had to be done good.

[@hahasamian8010]

I miss when "remaster" meant just adding to the clarity instead of screwing up the art design

[@geminielf]

Name one single "Remake" that is better than the Original

[@metroplex29]

​@@geminielfAlmost every remake out there, it's just that purists delude themselves into believing they're worse than the originals.

[@nisnast]

​@@geminielf RE1 Remake

[@reliable9108]

i got it on release and kept playing through the mods and patches. there's mods patching in the missing content like costumes and music and performance improvements. It's a performance mode now too since by default the game ran at max settings. most of the bugs were fixed and at the moment it feels waaaayyyyy better than the first day.....on PC.

[@Dribin]

PC is the way to go 😊

[@claudiosacchi3720]

Do yourself a favor and play it on rpcs3 in higher resolution and 60fps

[@aleksanderrivia8250]

That version of the game doesn't have nude mods though

[@Rabbitlord108]

​​@@aleksanderrivia8250Oh. You mean the thing that caused Capcom to start their war against mods?

[@TheMightyNovac]

@@Rabbitlord108 Yeah, it has that thing. It doesn't have the nude mods that are awesome and I want. Oh wait, I'm sorry, we're talking about the high-brow art Lollipop Chainsaw--I forgot.

[@tyldrthepark64]

@@TheMightyNovacHave you ever felt the touch of a real woman? I think I know the answer folks.

[@metroplex29]

​@@tyldrthepark64I did, 10 years happily married and I love nude mods! Sometimes we just like to see naked women in video games and there's nothing wrong with that.

[@jeffreyugochukwu1942]

They did deliver the patch (at least for the PC version) a week ago. For PC, there's fidelety and performance mode where performance mode massively increases the game's framerate to run pretty well now.

[@maegnificant]

A PC Game does not need modes like this. It needs dedicated settings.

[@jeffreyugochukwu1942]

@@maegnificant I agree with that. The devs should’ve had the usual preset of settings (Low, Medium, High, etc…) considering how all PC’s have wildly different architectures while consoles have a consistent architecture per console brand.

[@atarit3]

I've been actually WAITING for DF to say something on repop before I purchased/pre-ordered, but glad I didn't. buyer beware!

[@Yofu]

I'm still mad it's not the full on remake we were promised.

[@iPhantom27]

4:20 That's 100% true! EVERY SINGLE GAME needs like a massive Day1 patch to fix the issues whether technical or graphical, it's so damn annoying ughhhhh

[@CaptainScarLeg]

To be totally fair they were pretty quick to openly respond to all the feedback and criticism and set up an email to hear about specific bugs (and they keep encouraging players to report any remaining issues to get them fixed) the game has now had 3 or 4 patches and is in a pretty good place overall. It has a performance mode, it can run on Steamdeck, etc. It's still missing a full suite of proper in-game graphics settings (I know, I know) but it is very easy to adjust them in the ini file, set it to read-only and never need to touch it again. Hopefully those settings will be in-game in a future patch. I bought it purely because the guy leading the studio seems to have gone through a lot to bring the game back and I think it's important that he did make it available again after being delisted and unavailable to buy new anywhere. It seems like the group he put together just isn't super experienced, they're largely working on a game made by other people from two generations ago on an old engine, etc. The graphics changes are subjective and I'd say some aspects are improvements while others lose some of the original's style. Perhaps they can add some options to bring more of the original look back in future patches. Failing that, the game has lots of modding potential on PC since it's a UE5 game. Don't get me wrong it shouldn't have released the way it did, but they seem to be doing everything they can. Yoshimi Yoshida has been very good about posting all about this stuff on twitter.

[@biguy223]

I'm glad someone tried to look at this in a more positive light instead of jumping on the hate wagon.

[@tomstonemale]

​@@biguy223What hate wagon? A bad port has objective flaws the original didn't have. Be glad people give a sh*t to complain about it and made the developers patch the game.

[@TheUltimateHacker007]

​@@tomstonemaleit's the fact that it has to be pointed out at all. I'm sure the devs knew about this stuff while they were making the game, let alone releasing it

[@johnodaz1273]

Good Clip DF. Definitely unforgivable making a Crappier Version.

[@thoreberlin]

I buy games 1 year after release earliest now. Games are just bad at release in general nowadays. Buying later also is much cheaper and in some cases other reasons not to buy like integrated Denuvo are already removed /fixed.

[@mp5wes]

From my experience, the PS5 version is working very well but the Switch edition needs more polish. I noticed certain UE5 games seem to have issues or hard time transitioning to them. It's probably why the Mass Effect Legendary Edition just polished what they had with UE3

[@THX-2208]

John made the correct decision not to review that game.

[@nthnglsn]

I just emulate it. Looks and plays great with some tweaking. I have a 3080 and an i7 13700 and I can't get 120fps on this repop version

[@liublanka3925]

Yeah, I’ll stick to my 360 version thank you

[@Peatnik9]

Exclamation point!

[@eded9157]

IDK, i have seen comprison and it looks good, the only really bad version i have seen is the Switch one. (awful perf and stutter, missing inputs)

[@lifebyadam]

3:26 thus far I thought he was talking about the switch 🤯

[@MakiMaki.]

"Based on what I've heard" ... no idea who that John person is, but he seems to work just like the people that call themselves game journalists these days. xD

[@CrimsonGear80]

Physical versions are through LRG and is not out yet.

[@wmoule]

Or someone could import the Japanese version from Play Asia.

[@hossainrouf]

​@@wmouleexcept for xbox. Only through LRG

[@deftonesmx17]

Wait what, you prefer the piss filter look from the 360 era?

[@MrGamelover23]

It's stupidly heavy because it's an Unreal Engine 5 game. It's just an inherently heavy engine. Nobody bothers optimizing it. Even Fortnite became twice as heavy when it switched to Unreal Engine 5.

[@chris42069]

One word folks: RPCS3

[@mandarinamala6513]

Exclamation point indeed!

[@djtomoy]

it’s fine

[@XRKGX]

There’s nothing wrong with the Xbox version works perfectly fine

[@Nearest_Neighbor]

Can it be emulated?

[@lpnp9477]

Yup and with vblank set to 120 in rpcs3, can be played at 60fps!

[@Nearest_Neighbor]

@@lpnp9477 Thank you!

[@anthonyf616]

Still that bad huh

[@KAdesignz808]

I’m scared for Shadows of the Damned remaster

[@communistwookiee4727]

Reviews are out already. It's been described as bare bones but serviceable. No texture upgrades or big lighting changes, still UE3, just higher resolution and framerate.

[@SolidPython2099]

You shouldn't be cuz both remasters are unrelated. Grasshopper had nothing to do with Repop.

[@thelastofus2872]

​@@communistwookiee4727this is music to my ears and this should have been the case with lollipop.

[@Frankenfrana]

Shadows of the Damned Hella Remastered is solid. They also added New Game Plus finally.

[@KAdesignz808]

@@SolidPython2099 DF just dropped a review but for PlayStation. They said PS4 runs better. Lol

[@112Tribal]

Atleast this game didnt censore their game to hell or made it unattractive to 90% of gamers just because. But they should have made a remake instead of remaster. Feels a bit dated, the fighting that is. The art and lack of western censorship is atleast a breath of fresh air🤷

[@xxnike0629xx]

I'm sure it's gonna get patched and then look better. It just sucks they rushed the release.

[@ElfettoPsichedelico]

Playing on ps5, it's playable but it run like shit. Not to mention I got stuck in the terrain a few time and had to restart. It feels unstable and choppy most of the time. That's a shame!

[@Wol1427]

Idk, after the last patch, I set it to performance mode from the patch and seems to run at a stable 60fps. Sadly most people don't make videos of the latest updates, the switch version has been getting updated a lot too. So Digital Foundry may have jumped the gun with this video.

[@tomstonemale]

​@@Wol1427you make the reviews of the game you played as is to warn people of the game's issues.

[@zeekay9941]

Took some configuration adjustments on my steam deck to get it to run smoothly and it’s fine now, but I shouldn’t have been expected to do that in order to get it to run. Overall, I still enjoy the game, but this is not good optimization by the developers.

[@7thsaga662]

Grasshopper was always extremely overrated. Always style over substance. They're the Studio Trigger of video games.

[@moot6794]

Why are Steam ratings "Very Positive?"

[@mondodimotori]

Because "boobas", of course. After all, the "true gamer (TM)" only cares about the games being good, not dumb stuff like fan service. OH WAIT.

[@xyzYAZEEDxyz]

Maybe they are horny enough to not notice the bugs while their eyes are focusing on something else 😂

[@Frankenfrana]

You can mod back in the OST, etc.

[@troycannon100]

As soon as I heard they were dropping a bunch of key songs from the soundtrack I knew they weren't going to give this the budget it needed

[@biguy223]

You can't blame the devs or publisher for this, music licensing, especially for the amount that is in the game, is headache inducing and is extremely expensive. The devs and publishers for this game only previously worked on Visual Novels, they're very tiny. If there's something you want to blame then its the music rights holders for making it cancerous

[@murphy1138]

just sounds to me that UE5 is just a very good and very bad engine at the same time.

[@mariotaz]

Yeeeesh

[@sp3cial3dfr3d]

Installed new cod 1 round uninstalled. Broken hdr, JAGGIES ,cant change input mid game. MW2 looked better and World at war played better. These devs are trash all the good ones quit or were fired.

[@chrismichiels2634]

Why UE5 for a remake ??? Why not UE4 much better for console gaming

[@Aid3nn33]

UE4 doesn't receive improvments anymore, UE5 is the only future

[@mmpsp693]

@@Aid3nn33 Given the status of UE5, I would say UE4 is a great option for remastering old games. Also, most companies target PS4-level specs so they can port their games to Switch/Switch 2.

[@lpnp9477]

Depends on plugin needs. I doubt it needs many plugins considering its a game from 2012, but plugins on fab only support two previous engine versions, which is all in 5. Just some perspective as to why some devs choose not to use ue4 despite the overhead in 5.

[@gmorgcyborg]

It is still a mess and I find it funny ( I bought it day one to support it ) that people praised it for not being "woke"... not cutting content and even coming out earlier than expected .. but then release it with bugs.. cut content anyway and it was super un optimized ... not to mention the updates are way too far in between cause they weren't done !! Super cash grab

[@bighoss7437]

Hi, have they updated the game yet? Or still runs like doo doo?

[@adfury]

I liked it. bought the re-pop mainly because I know that having the PC version will be better in the long run. Modders and hacks will allow this to live on well past it's ps3 shelf-life.

[@mmpsp693]

Aren't hacks/mods available for the PS3 port?

[@ElvenSonic]

that’s fair, it’s just a shame the port is really bad is all.

[@tomstonemale]

Not good enough. Might as well pirate the damn thing

[@adfury]

@@tomstonemale ehh. I'm not sure. I get it kinda, but this would have never left console if it was just pirated. For me, getting it on PC makes it evergreen. Even 20 years from now, it'll be somewhere, and I think that's important on some level.

[@tomstonemale]

​@@adfuryAgain, you could just pirate or emulate the game if you have to fix the game yourself after paying full price. It doesn't even have the excuse of "can't expect an old game to run in new hardware", because it was remaster for new hardware but it was poorly made.

[@stefv4986]

TMNT Mutants Unleashed for Xbox series X is completely broken!!! I bought TMNT mutants unleashed for Xbox series x, the disc version... and guess what? the game is unbeatable. the maximum progress in the game is 18% and that's it. you try to load a save file and the game crashes to the console menu. I reinstalled the game and nothing helped. I wrote to the publisher Outright Games and they said that there would be a patch, but more than a week later nothing works and there was no patch. even Gotham Knights was beatable, this is the first time in my memory that a game is so broken.

[@Michael.Talbot]

I loved Lollipop on PS3, i am still going to get it and hope it gets patched. I agree though it`s unacceptable, either do it right or why bother.

[@mikeuk666]

So you're adding to the problem....

[@Michael.Talbot]

@@mikeuk666 Yeah i understand but there are only a few games that i would do this for and Lollipop is one of them. Otherwise i would not care.

[@Fazers-On-Stun]

​@@Michael.Talbot still part of the problem though...

[@Michael.Talbot]

@@Fazers-On-Stun I agree but this is nostalgia for me and i wish they picked another game. Sorry for spelling it out but you are a bit thick 👍

[@thelastofus2872]

So it's not unacceptable if you're buying it lol 🤦🏻‍♂️smh

[@dannyd4339]

Soy explosion

[@lpnp9477]

"I'm explosion" (Translated by Google)

[@tomdr93x]

yep refunded it too, garbage "remake" Playing my wife's original copy on 360 now.

[@batman-cu1ep]

Even tho I loved the 360 version I just haven't bought this remake for some reason. I'll wait till it's on sale😂

[@dun0790]

Can someone else read out the question please 😂 its like one of those old text to speech programs

[@mmo5366]

Never! Rich is the master 😊

[@jcchaconjr]

Well, this Clío pretty much explains in a itshell why the industry sucks right now… I lamented for a bit, but now I’m glad that I DIDN’T purchase Re-Pop from LRG.

[@CDages]

John, why are you playing the original on PS3? 360 version ran more stable. Anywho this game and Blazing Strike are absolutely worst most buggiest releases this year. Publishers should be ashamed to release games in such bad state.

[@lpnp9477]

Probably the version he bought in 2012

[@northshore7123]

Sorry but this "review" is very unfair. I bought the game and it runs smooth on PS5. Nice graphics, sharp 4K quality, non existing loading times. The game is really good. I compared it with PS3 version, poor graphics, low resolution, very long loading times and clunky gameplay, dropping fps. How can someone praise the PS3 version?!

[@FantasyNero]

Yes, i can say the game is heavy on all platforms, John just refunded because he is a console player, get it on PC and you won't regret it, you know the game has future patches and updates, also you know the PC hardware is keep upgrading non stop the RTX5090 is coming, the performance will be a much better higher fps and stability, even if you lock the fps to your monitor refresh rate going to be great! 👍

[@michaelmonstar4276]

You're part of the problem.

[@chrisfratz]

From one PC gamer to another, apparently the PC version is also shit. According to another Comment in this comment section. The PC version doesn't even have dedicated graphics settings for everything. It's just two presets, fidelity and performance. So apparently the PC version also isn't such kind of rainbows

[@gmorgcyborg]

​@chrisfratz i have it on pc and bought it day one and haven't played it in a while because they need patches .. I have a 3090 and so this game def shouldn't be that heavy.. nothing in the game looks great nor ray tracing etc ... lack of pc options etc.. I tried to refund it but I just played over 3 hours smh

[@usernamefromhell]

....Switch version might be NOT UE5 and actually be better, somehow?? Just me being optimistic, lol

[@TatankaTaylor]

@@usernamefromhell All ports are lousy. The Switch port runs WORSE than the game did on a PS3. You really have to be an incompetent developer to achieve that fail.

[@GameSlayer41781]

Largely due to the times we're in, the industry is a shit show

[@ChadKenova]

Please just call it PS3😩

[@Turniplord]

Does John do anything other than moan about everything?

[@cooltwittertag]

I think the one moaning is you, at your screen, whenever you play your badly ported gooner game

[@GilgaMax305]

Sounds like you're upset that he doesn't think the same as you.

[@mmo5366]

He does lots of things apart from moan. And I’ve learned when he’s not happy it’s normally for good reason. This knows his shit.

[@wiiownsps3and360]

I don’t know maybe it’s because I’ve gotten old and have had children, but the idea of an only good action game that is still lesser than it’s contemporaries with the main draw is an underage honey pot just seems odd to me.

[@lpnp9477]

She's 18 and a video game character. Honestly it's weird anyone would care.

[@wiiownsps3and360]

@ well one it’s not the character herself that’s the issue. And 2 you don’t care because you don’t have a reason to. Because I once had this view. It’ll change. Give it time.

[@davepage2466]

Boy you can tell they are part of IGN now. YIKES, sad.

[@ElvenSonic]

what? It’s a really bad port wdym

[@danielgrezda3339]

I can't notice a difference between before and after. Glad IGN is keeping their distance and not interfering, just because you don't like that they criticized it doesn't mean they're shills. People have opinions, and this seems to be a popular one at that. This port is bad.

[@Dark605-n3h]

bro, he said he loved the game but hated this version lmao. watch the vid before you comment

[@KingSigy]

Because the remaster is bad?

[@mikeuk666]

Cringe

[@Raging]

DF gone woke, sad

[@princess_ebony23]

Because he didn't like a subpar remaster? How is that woke??

[@ingekoshmidder9926]

Your Mother is woke.

[@Pawnband]

Yes, John and especially Alex are woke people but that's not on display here.

[@HoveringAboveMyself]

All the criticism was technical, just because a bunch of idiots criticized it for stupid reasons doesn't mean that's the only reason anyone else would have for not liking it too.

[@Darkcranio]

@@princess_ebony23 Let me guess, because he thinks because they didn't like the bad remake that means they don't like pixel booba and pixel ass therefore woke. Still doesn't make sense, but I bet that's why.

[@deathtrooper2048]

That's why you don't just focus on sexualizing the main character and focus on the game first.

[@xyzYAZEEDxyz]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@hihihi1q23]

Well, they knew they didn't have a great game so they focus on the sexualization to try and get sales. It's why every crappy live service game coming out of Korea features over the top sexualization. Pervert whales have money, and they're willing to pay.

[@CactusPrix]

Df is ruining gaming. With the update it’s totally playable. Real gamers don’t care about framerate and graphics.

[@jd2792]

Ok coprate slave just consume product framerate effects gameplay only a shill would say otherwise

[@daniloazhar5454]

False we care about framerate and graphics. Casual gamers only play games below 30fps and think it's okay.

[@chrisfratz]

The technical aspect of video games is important to focus on. In practice, Yeah, graphics don't matter the most. Unless you're talking about the art direction. But also taking a deep dive and learning about how video games work under the hood is pretty interesting. Clearly Digital Foundry isn't for you, so I would kindly ask you to leave.

[@lpnp9477]

Frame rate is paramount to gameplay so you're kinda sorta dead wrong

[@thesidneychan]

Real gamers deserve better, polished games. It should not be having bugs on release.