Joker Director Finally Explains That Last Crucial Scene

[@Looper]

How much of Joker do you think really happened in the movie? Which parts?

[@thetruth7906]

@Bruce Wayne yes he did if you look at his bloody foot prints left behind and the guards are chasing him

[@A_Shut-in_NEET]

@@thetruth7906 yeah i also saw him kiss the girl so it must be true 🤪🤪

[@Inquisitor_Jeff]

I’d like to think all of it cause the whole “oh, it didn’t really happen after all” twist is fucking lame.

[@Paranoid0147]

Everything happened except him imagining himself on the murray franklin show in the beginning and his relationship with sophie. Also the last scene with the riots might not have happened. However in the beginning of the movie we see him with the social worker with a clock that has 11:10 time, and then the scene shifts in Arkham Asylum with the same time and arthur banging on the door with his head, and in the end of the movie we see him again in Arkham with the same clothes, so he might have imagined the whole thing and we dont know for sure. However I'd like to stick with the first theory of certain parts only being a fantasy.

[@jagenv]

It all happens on different earths in the multi verse 🙃

[@crabizeus]

Before the movie: "I'm so excited to know Joker's past" After the movie: "I'm so excited to know Joker's past"

[@SpikeySenjuSSJPapa]

Ever read killing joke?

[@psychosaucepan4841]

@@SpikeySenjuSSJPapa that doesn't matter. The killing joke doesn't tell his back story because the joker ends up saying he can't remember his past and he'd rather it be multiple choice. Dumbass

[@lnce_vfx6664]

LT. Hedgehog Murderer well I’ve been hearing recently that killing joke is canon now which still doesn’t really prove anything but oh well

[@psychosaucepan4841]

@@lnce_vfx6664 yes. The killing joke is cannon. Otherwise we wouldn't have oracle.

[@reyhavoc2911]

@@psychosaucepan4841 i bet you had a *blast* from the killing joke then as a cannon fodder.

[@aaronguardado2302]

It honestly broke my heart when murray made fun of him and made him mad

[@kingcodester1112]

yabadabado 123 I guess you can say he got "...what he fucking deserve"

[@ManamaEd]

Knock knock

[@chriss_clem9222]

yabadabado 123 MURR- AY

[@aaronguardado2302]

@FappyMealsHD yea its crazy how originally he was going to shoot himself untill he saw murray making fun of him and that really made him realize he wasnt there because he was welcome he was there so they could make fun of him and laugh at him it really messed up

[@sickintentionz57]

@@kingcodester1112 🤣🤣🤣 Muurraayyy

[@SawBlood45]

They crafted a movie that needs to be watched more than once.

[@originalityam1958]

So far 3x..

[@MrWiktorHere]

I don't think it's that complex

[@christiangarvin7351]

Great acting shit script could of gave him such a great back story than some nut job who would be in his 70s when he meets the dark knight

[@Jayyy_Wav]

ThisLetsPlayIsNotLame he’s not saying that because it’s complex. Because it’s so good. And several powerful messages.

[@skullkid6439]

Christian Garvin Ik so true dude

[@onlyacomentarynothingspeci2419]

This whole "he isn't really the Joker thing" really starts to piss me off

[@yesitsdior894]

only a comentary nothing special ,yeah me to man. They finally make a good dc movie just to say that none of it is real? Smh

[@TheEjimenez]

Yeah it’s some bull shit

[@bashirgenius12]

Yes, technically he is the Joker, but he's the Original Joker and not the same Joker who physically battles with Batman for years. It would be impossible based on the age gap between the two characters. The Joker that "We" know from comics and animated films is only slightly older than Bruce but in this Joker film, Arthur is late 30's, early 40's.

[@alistairubereem6047]

only a comentary nothing special there are multiple jokers in the dc universe. This doesnt have to be the one to go toe to toe with Batman. Might even just be one of the many jokers.

[@dogdayafternoon9551]

Why are you letting something like Commentary piss you off? People can come to their own conclusions. But if you look at the age difference between Bruce and Arthur it would be hard to imagine them ever fighting

[@stansb1926]

"I dont know why everyone is so rude." -Joker 2019

[@ninawildr4207]

Dr Lecter would agree

[@bungalowfeuhler1541]

Knock, Knock.

[@adamdagrape544]

@@bungalowfeuhler1541 who's there

[@joshuataylor4153]

@@bungalowfeuhler1541 the police mam you sons dead he got hit bye a drunk driver

[@ayeitsjay4283]

yea. like Murray Franklin was his like ultimate idol and he humiliated him in live television by showing his embarassing performance

[@karthikeyanb6016]

Heath looking down and be like "Just give him the damn Oscar"

[@Bullntheheather]

Karthikeyan B is that what he be like? Damn you right.

[@Kevin-ox3db]

@The1Americanpride1 yes... Who knows...

[@deucespades9416]

Jack Nicholson alive saying that too

[@jeffc7951]

Worst portrayal of joker ever

[@Bullntheheather]

Jeff C when is your film coming out?

[@thatguyhollow4153]

I say that when he said “this is the only time he laughs genuinely” that means he has finally found peace in his sort of “clown” self

[@MatiZ815]

Not really. It's the only scene where he actually laughs from some joke that he found funny.

[@CamJames]

MatiZ815 he'd also finally become himself.

[@gabethebabymullen]

The joke was the idea of Bruce Wayne sitting looking at his dead parents I thought

[@RetroSkater94]

Mercers Legend it was, but did anyone notice he looked considerably older in that final shot?

[@gregg8921]

Shortly after that scene we see him coming out of the room with blood covered shoes leaving footprints of blood down the hallway...perhaps the joke was he was going to kill everyone in the room

[@tonyr6180]

This would be, easily, the worst possible outcome for this movie.

[@MikeOnTheInterwebs]

I agree - I hate this theory about the movie. Let it be real. This would be an epic origin story for the Joker, assuming it all actually happened.

[@LeoUSA33]

Agreed 100%

[@elisafigueora1688]

I like how his “gf Sophie” wasn’t real but the riots and followers not being real, really sucks.

[@estoylaroca]

For the movie... sure, it'd feel like you've watched all for naught. For the character though??? I mean, what makes the movie great for me is, is that you kind of feel like you already know this "joker" character. Maybe someone in your life, or someone you've read about... or maybe even you? Someone who's at the lowest low in life, and someone who just wants to do *SOMETHING* about it. In a way, you kind of feel for Joker, and you "understand" why his actions lead to that. If this movie was all his perspective, and not really the reality, then it makes you wonder what REALLY did happen. Going with that theory, that's goes in line with who joker is in the DC universe. That he's really an oddball, that maybe the reason his origin isn't shown, it's because even he doesn't know his own origin.

[@derkaiserzen]

@@estoylaroca he know.. But as what all the comic analyst said since the early 80s.. He's a bad narrator.. You shouldn't believe anything he tell you

[@ryanb746]

“Joker director finally explains that last crucial scene” ... Doesn’t explain it.

[@adrianrodrigues1402]

Clifkbait 100

[@largeroad3194]

Ryan B typical looper

[@TheMagiciansLoveX]

thanks for saving me the watch

[@MemoryOfTheRose]

I would have been the one person in the audience who laughed

[@ToaHurlak52]

Well it did in a way, you just have to pay attention otherwise "you wouldn't get it".

[@hardnewstakenharder]

Marvel: "Endgame made billions." DC: "It's not about money, it's about *sending a message*."

[@godsprince217]

hardnewstakenharder 😂

[@TheRickakamax]

Martha?

[@MJ-fs4ne]

hardnewstakenharder Marvel Endgame is a family movie. Joker is not a family movie. So obviously no kid is allowed to watch it. Hence, it concluded that only adults watching it. A whole family usually more than 2 persons, while adults in a family could be 1 or 2 persons count. So count it yourself or you are a joke.

[@christian_hv]

Mathew J endgame is not a Family movie. It is PG-13. I couldn’t go with my kids because they are 7 and 5. Besides of the violence the whole time travel stuff is still complicated to grasp for small kids.

[@MJ-fs4ne]

Christian Hernández I see. Now I know that. I thought marvel superheroes are for kids. But actually its not. Thanks for notting that out. Just wondering why there are so many kids still watching it. On a side note. You think the kids would care about the time travel concept? Lol. All they care about are the actions. The superheroes kicking the villain's ass. I pity your kids because you didn't bring them along to watch that movie.

[@youshallnotpass3937]

I don't like the "everything was made up" thing.

[@stpaulimdog]

It's only ok if you don't know for sure what's made up and what's not. Everything's a dream is lazy writing.

[@fernando-dj5xx]

that made me hella confused but still enjoyed the movie

[@malcolmalden]

it can't be all made up... Thomas and Martha Wayne die as a result of his actions. He also meets Bruce Wayne.

[@stpaulimdog]

@@malcolmalden The riot part might actually be one of his mind enhancements. Other versions have him killing the Wayne's himself. This one it was one of his minions. It could be just grandeur that he had the whole city with him on his killing spree. I think it's his version of the story which is enhanced by his twisted mind. You have to decide for yourself what's enhanced and what isn't.

[@fridgefridge3240]

Good thing the movie does not have only one correct way of interpreting it. Maybe all of it was made up, maybe nothing. There's no correct answer. So it's which every way you want to interpret it. For me it makes most sense that at least a lot of it happened.

[@AV-sy7bm]

I think him in Arkham is in the future and he was remembering him becoming joker and he was laughing because he realized he made Batman

[@carliiuxiiz]

I thought about that too. Probably the last scene is in the Arkham of the future, after being locked in for some crime

[@DonutWarLord]

I just posted a comment like this now everyone is going to think I copied you. Thats it Im killing myself I HAVE NO INDIVIDUALITY!!!

[@darlenev9988]

Yes I agree with this

[@abrahamvasquez1160]

Did yuall notice that they bring up bruce waynes scene (him standing infront of his dead parents) amd then it cuts to joker in arkham. I think that implies a connection between them and why he laughs.

[@brendanlongmusic3192]

Wouldnt he have got his scars if that was the far future though? 🤔

[@th3sc0tt]

Other than his imaginary girlfriend, I interpret everything as true events that actually happened. The "joke" being on us would ruin the movie for me.

[@stephaniemitchell8509]

There were other instances, his imaginary appearance on the Murray Show while he sat by his mother being one of them. I think most of the events were true, since they're violent and gritty. The delusions have a much more rosy-toned element.

[@City_Lights.]

True, this it's all made up in his head theory would be pretty lame.

[@SillyBoydo]

Yeah I feel like it's the whole "and then he woke up and realised it was only a dream" sort of thing.

[@Rudy_Riot]

Scott Berry 100% same. They definitely happened!

[@alecshunnarah9040]

I think some things happened and some things didn't. I don't think he was actually saved by the rioters and praised by them in the end, I think that was in his head. I also don't think Arthur is THE Joker. The Joker that fights Batman is much wittier and smarter. I think Arthur is the inspiration that someone else needed to eventually become the Joker.

[@Datníğğa123]

Rotten tomatoes giving this a 69% shows just how out of touch these “critics” are this movie is a masterpiece

[@dendroxden440]

It was definitely a good movie, but I personally wouldn't go that far.

[@hongobongo8069]

@@dendroxden440 This is the perfect time, generation, era in our society for this movie to come out. It's a fucking work of art, you just wouldn't get it.

[@TheSciavenger]

I mean, it's basically Taxi Driver with clown makeup. I'm not saying that as a bad thing. I liked the movie quite a bit but I wouldn't go so far as "masterpiece".

[@hongobongo8069]

@@TheSciavenger Oh come on dude. What makes a masterpiece? It's when and where it's released. This is a generation defining film for sure, with so many layers to it that watching it once is just a waste of time. You gotta go twice at least.

[@gulinp1]

critics today arer nothing but far left wing political activists. Don't bother, just ignore them

[@popskiptea8707]

I think the last laugh in the movie is genuine because Arthur’s true self has finally broken out of its cage. He becomes the Joker, a man people will be forced to listen to, not look through.

[@hb-dc3170]

🐐🙏🤔

[@thesolidsalad7338]

Oh shit the movie didnt make that clear enough I suppose. All jokes aside yeah you are right

[@popskiptea8707]

B1 739 well both Todd Phillips and Joaquin have said that the film can be interpreted in several ways, so that’s not necessarily what the it means, it’s just how I interpreted it. On the other hand it could mean that Arthur’s been in the asylum the whole time, so the last laugh is the only REAL one in the film.

[@thesolidsalad7338]

@@popskiptea8707 thats what im thinking but yeah, all up to us

[@ryanprovance655]

I think it was because the riots caused the Wayne’s to be murdered, so Joker in a sense created Batman

[@paul_rymar]

I think the joke was that: Joker created Batman

[@thecowboy9698]

In 1989 he did.

[@chrisw1197]

How would he have any idea that those events would result in Batman? How could he possibly know that a child Bruce Wayne would leave Gotham train for years and return as a man in a bat suit .

[@matkocmilansky5397]

@@chrisw1197 maybe that scene was from the future

[@tb_6558]

Maćiej 420 people speculate that he does look older in the last scene. I find it hard to tell, but that theory (him creating batman and being the real joker) would be my favourite

[@paul_rymar]

I have to add, something really doesn't feel right in this story. Joker and Batman are the same/similar age. And a lot of things from Joker fit with the lines from Dark Knight: "Do I look like a guy with a plan?" - "Do I look like a guy who can create a movement?" "Some men just want to watch the world burn" - Joker rides in a cop car watching people burning everything "It's beautiful" The confusing ending + the age gap makes it feel similar to 'Do you know how I got these scars' - Joker tells numerous versions of his past...

[@Dayumyoo]

The 'it's not even the real joker' theory is the most disappointing theory

[@nessg1043]

I'll be pretty bummed out if it was that way. I really like this joker

[@SacTuning805]

Arthur isn't the real joker... the real jokers name is Jack Napier... so... yeah...

[@anicefluffydemon6643]

Yeah I choose not to even consider it because that's just boring.

[@timvanrijn8239]

if i have a past i prefere it to be multiple choise.

[@stpaulimdog]

Officer Ricky Joker.

[@izlitty5674]

"Knock knock" Murray: "Whos there?" "Its the police ma'am, your son was hit by a drunk driver, hes dead." - Joker

[@christiangalante8731]

IzLitty567 - um no

[@monsterdonutkid]

There is no punchline.

[@originalityam1958]

I see a grammar Nazi..and u get what u fg deserve!!!!

[@shinzoff2911]

Murray : im waiting for the punchline. Joker : ......

[@nicksatchel1010]

Originality Am grammar nazis are the worst. I mean... you gotta be a real dumbass to go around thinking you are smart for correcting grammatical errors on the internet.

[@puertoriconnect4611]

Arthur inspiring “the real joker” would be so lame. That would make the real joker some weak ass poser while also making Arthur less significant cause he’s just some guy. Also I don’t get why Todd seemed so annoyed at the idea of this joker interacting with Batman. He ALREADY HAS. They already told Batman’s origin in this movie. They already connected it.

[@namemepeter4615]

Because this video is simply a lie. He answered "no" for when he was asked if his joker could ever meet up with Robert Pattinson Batman.

[@chmd22]

I don't see how they could match the realism of this version of Joker with the fantasy of a super-hero film. I don't think it would work at all, unless they also completely change the perspective on Batman. Admittedly though, if that is the case, the result could be interesting.

[@puertoriconnect4611]

Dan Hue I hear you. Like you said, they’d have to take a different approach to Batman. Christian Bale’s Batman always seemed like a joke to me. Whenever he started talking in that stupidass, fake voice it made me laugh. It’d have to be a different take. I’d be okay with this being a one shot but I am curious to see Arthur reaching his full potential. I feel like by the end of this movie he’s just scratched the surface of what he’s capable of.

[@puertoriconnect4611]

NameMePeter That makes more sense. I didn’t know that.

[@cobaltstring5772]

They did not connect it. We don't see Batman's origin story. We only see what COULD be. But that does not mean this Bruce Wayne will turn into Batman at all.

[@BG-gx3xy]

Hot take: Joker is better than a lot of marvel movies

[@utsavman47]

I can watch this one movie multiple times compared to all that CGI marvel crap.

[@chongymeister14]

easily DC has always been better and they finally made a dope movie

[@ATunnel1]

It is better than all of them.

[@whiteknight8734]

A lot? Care to tell us which Marvel movie was better than Joker?

[@ericbutler33]

@@whiteknight8734 None...

[@onnixcarmichele3911]

I love how the title says “finally explains” when the movie literally only came out four days ago.

[@purityy]

😂😂😂

[@TGymer]

especially since nothings been officially explained yet. The video literally ends with a clip of the director saying after a few years he'll explain what they personally thought.

[@richtexas4431]

It’s been a long 4 days

[@matthewlawlis2421]

He did not explain it he just said it could be many things, and its up to the viewer. Personally I thought the last scene was unnecessary

[@Marowakie]

Welcome to looper

[@roachofdoom1234]

None of it being real would mean he imagined himself imagining having a gf

[@freddiemercury4evr]

Exactly!! 😂

[@insideman-v1w]

Well pointed out!

[@freddiemercury4evr]

And it would also mean he imagined himself imagining himself in Murray's audience in the beginning..

[@naughter3674]

Don't we all?

[@intheredcold9216]

Good point.

[@nicklewis2412]

I'm sure he's the real Joker, and not some random person. That being said, he could just be making up another story about his past. That's the thing about the Joker, he never has a definitive origin, he just exists.

[@kyledonahue33]

the movie is really good in that sense, because his past remains uncertain, but i personally believe that the movie implies that he is thomas wayne's bastard, which was covered up via unscrupulous methods. this essentially is an origin without being an origin, because the most powerful man in gotham says he has no origins. it fits with the theme of the joker, too, because he is completely without attachment to society - "society" (symbolized by the figurehead of thomas wayne, in gotham's case) has completely abandoned him. he then further believes he was lied to by his mother (uncertain, but she was perhaps mentally ill, and had a lobotomy) and abandoned and ridiculed publicly by his idol and chosen father figure, murray. the movie's story and illustration of the different ways one can be abandoned are really thorough. from the kids stealing the sign, to the rich bullies on the train, to his coworker betraying him, even his own mind playing tricks on him - it's a great movie with no time lost on any frivolous details.

[@kyledonahue33]

i think the movie did a good job in showing that. because in a way, if you're the mentally ill bastard of thomas wayne and a crazy mom who was lobotomized/swept under the rug by powerful forces, you don't have an origin. one of joker's most charged lines was when he was talking to the social worker about not being convinced that he even existed until he "put on the mask."

[@stpaulimdog]

Like Heath Ledger Joker's story about how he got his scars. All stories very convincing, but only one or none is true.

[@stpaulimdog]

@@kyledonahue33 The problem with the bastard theory is that the guy only looks about 10 years older than him at the most.

[@kyledonahue33]

@@stpaulimdog whaaat? you dont think thomas wayne looks old enough to be arthurs dad?

[@noire1991]

Looper: the ending finally explained Director: you can interpret the movie however you feel like. Me: 4 minutes of my life that I won’t ever get back.

[@krytxps]

"none of it was real" is a cheap "plot twist" that kind of makes the movie pointless. the movie is made up in the first place so at least keep it true in the films universe. so i dont believe that it was all just a dream. i think in the end he finds himself as the joker, he is not arthur anymore and for that reason he can finally genuinely laugh, because as he said, his life isnt a tragedy anymore, its really a comedy. so him genuinely laughing and saying that "you wont get it" for me is kind of a moment where he comes at peace with himself and what he has become. arthur doesnt need society anymore, he doesnt care if he is understood or not or if he is rude. he is slowly becoming an agent of chaos. you really need to think about his victims, so he kills the first guys because they were nasty human beings, but as the film progresses he gets drawn in the feeling. i think it becomes almost like a drug to him, he just had to get hooked. so at the end the therapist at the asylum hasnt really done anything bad to him or anyone else as far as arthur knows, but the shot implies that he kills her too, this time without any real reason. now he is the joker, now he is the villain in a super hero universe, who can play cat and mouse till the end of the world (is what i got from the last shot)

[@GreatUnwashedMass]

yeah you just nailed it. That was my exact take.

[@KaiMax_23]

I agree completely. He accepts who he is and the way the world is, reveling in his mind how he'll enjoy watching it burn.

[@unknownpianist4631]

You are absolutely right, very well described.

[@haziqdaniel2594]

I aggree that movie already perfect masterpiece

[@tonynardi172]

And if this ISNT what it meant... then they did it wrong

[@danielclark241]

Most underrated line in the movie: "You're a good dancer. You know who's not? Him! *BANG!*"

[@joelmiller2601]

Daniel Clark I genuinely burst out laughing in the theatre at that line

[@erikborder7154]

When does he say that?

[@danielclark241]

@@erikborder7154 The scene when he's in his apartment, dancing with the revolver in his hand (briefly shown in the first trailer). "I'm just watching a war movie, Mom!" (turns TV volume up)

[@erikborder7154]

@@danielclark241 ohkk

[@furiousdean13]

This made me laugh 😂😂😂 "I'm sorry mom!"

[@amadorxo]

There’s two jokers on a deck of cards

[@justinwright7769]

🤯

[@remizart]

👍🏽

[@msan3965]

This needs to be top comment

[@Danny02585]

Now in the comics there is supposed to be 3 jokers

[@viksaggu9085]

Lamoy Castro mind blown

[@ElOrlyOrozco]

In the “The Killing Joke” Arthur Fleck actually becomes the Joker, so if the movie was highly influenced by the graphic novel, then I assume that in the movie Arthur Fleck is the authentic Joker too.

[@thomasgoff4405]

Exactly the whole "It isnt really joker" thing is just over analysing it I think

[@thomasgoff4405]

@Mark Donald all I was saying is that people are looking too deep into the movie and are not seeing it for what it is

[@giada951]

Orlando SOrozco In "The Killing Joke" Joker also escapes from Arkham Asylum. Am i right? In the very last scene of the movie, Arthur/Joker runs and he is chased by other doctors. If that's his attempt to escape, than it means that man is THE Joker!

[@xxbr0txxx529]

he cant be the "actual/real joker" hes too old

[@zacharytomes5202]

@@xxbr0txxx529 Not really, he is in his 30s and Bruce is like what? 10? Correction: The actor is 9, so by all accounts, he needs about 10 years to become Batman, which would make the Joker a 40 year old man, and give him enough time to become an established Prince of crime. It works.

[@theHoldac]

I would quote the movie, but the problem is.. “You wouldn’t get it.”

[@supertinyblackhole_8675]

"You don't listen, do you?"

[@ryanduray1]

Your comment makes cents

[@originalityam1958]

"& swivel "

[@EloffMusketeer]

JOKER IS MY FAVORITE MOVIE OF 2019

[@callumtheleegend406]

Advanced Placement my favourite of all time

[@gamedude108]

Me to aside from avengers endgame

[@omidfilms]

Tell me something I don’t know

[@7860092]

Wait why

[@ARIELVSGAMES]

Same

[@dylansmith1261]

“Oh I forgot to punch out” Punches clock off the wall

[@ToaHurlak52]

HA HA HA HA HA

[@neburb3687]

When he finishes talking to the cops and hits himself in door

[@hyperbolicraider4848]

Before The Joker film Everyone: Doesn’t want to learn The Joker’s past After the Joker film Everyone: Well wtf is his past?

[@MarkSmith-jo2bf]

They scrapped 30 mins from the film depicting his childhood . As a child he was bullied for his laugh and everyone called him happy so he cut a small smile in the corners of his mouth. At the end of the film he uses his own blood to make the smile but that is not the real ending . It was written he picks up a piece of glass and cuts the smile but they thought it too ' gruesome ' for the audience so they changed it to his own blood

[@kube410]

They litteraly made a scene where he sticks scissors in a guys eye and then beats him up to death but they find cutting his smile with glass too gruesome? Something smells fishy here. But honestly the original "gruesome" ending would have had so much more impact and it fits the movie perfectly imo. I wish they left it edit: As for the childhood footage im glad they cut it off actually.

[@MarkSmith-jo2bf]

@@kube410 im just saying what i know and the reasons why . . . I think they should have added 10 mins to include a small insight to his childhood rather than go straight to a middle aged struggling guy

[@antonionsfw]

samee

[@lambert2332]

@@kube410 I think they cut it to avoid connections to Ledger joker

[@-nocapjayyy7368]

if it turns out to be "all in his head" then that would be lame asl

[@phillytheflyerable]

yeah I hate that take

[@crazykickerz4110]

Exactly ,that's what I'm afraid of

[@shracid7898]

No, in the film it makes it clear what parts are in his head. The apartment girlfriend was in his head, but the killings are all true.

[@fuckthevoid]

I think the last scene is way before what happened in the movie, from the time he was in Arkham. I think that he's laughing because he actually planned everything that happened later.

[@EpicNerdGamer1]

@CLOUT because the Joker makes up backstories all the time

[@stephenbrame3042]

I hate that idea. The Joker shouldn't be a copycat or a follower.

[@timvanrijn8239]

i mean that is part of the force of nature side his chakter has. they have ussed it to make the robins into mini jokers

[@DjVtheJESUSsouja]

Absolutely ~!

[@bixxie4959]

canonically there are 3 jokers

[@TJTTheJoshTornadoT]

But due to the comics, The Joker is pretty much already a copycat and has been for a long time, even before Heath's version. It's up to us, the viewers, what we decide to take into acount though. I don't follow/consider any of the animated or comic stuff, there's just too much of it.

[@travis6694]

Joshua TJT yeah I mean there’s like 3 or 4 different jokers in the canons so it’s all a mess to be honest

[@wrstgen2k242]

I feel like most of the movie was real, what was fake was his relationship and everything he was being delusional about.

[@Yoshiyuki066]

wrst gen2k agree

[@paulamolinamir]

wrst gen2k pretty much everything that didn’t make him look good was real. Whenever he was accepted was an imagined

[@slimturnpike]

I think only the interview with the psychologist in the asylum is real

[@dasein9980]

@@slimturnpike can you explain why you think that?

[@ruxis8179]

@@dasein9980 all stems from him laughing at a "joke" and saying "you won't get it" I don't like the theory and want more out of him (praying the sequel is just as good or better) and also because his feet were bloody in the final scenes, pretty much saying he killed her and is now maybe going to escape

[@darkcloud192able]

It doesn't feel right to me. If the jokes on us why would he use his imagination to imagine a story in which he had an imaginary girlfriend.

[@narenrathan231]

Dean Hall this

[@alifmuhammadchicago]

Good point.

[@darkcloud192able]

@ Fair point

[@pnoonan4018]

VERY good point!

[@philossifer6252]

@ , not possible. The joke is coming from Arthur in the last scene. If it was a narration, or subtitle, or script the audience reads, then it would be the joke of the director.

[@TacticalMind]

“I hope my death makes more cents than my life.”

[@Sebastian-ct5ek]

Dj holyone *cents

[@dontdoxme1730]

@@djholyone9950 kinda cringe bro

[@certifiedguy7276]

@@djholyone9950 you didnt watch the movie did you?

[@YourMom-lb3mt]

Sense

[@djholyone9950]

@normie slayer yeah I did I just wanted to see something

[@Vidusik]

The beauty of the Joker movie is that every person can make his or her own interpretation of what is real or what is not. Don't ruin this fascinating mystery by explaining everything to the last detail. Joker is a movie that challenges the audience and also has the guts to provoke it. As any good art should.

[@mosesfreeman528]

"Provoke it"? You mean the clown?

[@First-sj5mq]

Such as the mystery of joker.

[@Kiiieeechiii]

I agree Todd shouldn’t explain anything

[@ericajordan4647]

Loved this movie!

[@zeth7109]

@Harley Quinn Stupid.

[@accend9255]

Was it just me or was his hallucinations and fantasy’s going away when he stoped his medication?

[@psteeg3551]

I need a rewatch for this but this could very well be true. Arthur himself says he feels better after he'd stopped the meds, so if the rest of the movie has little to no hallucinations that could be the case

[@Zenith_66610]

I take medication. All patients of some sort of psychosis or Schizophrenia "feels" like the medication is actuality killing their true self and making them feel ill. In reality, when you take off the medication is when the disease gets loose and they feel finally "better" again and "happy"; therefore, it only gets worse and worse untill probably ones suicide or hospitalization. When she said he would be out of meds, I thought "fuck". 1 day without it I feel like I want to kill someone with a pencil. So yeah, probably looks like the hallucinations were off because all of it were hallucinations from this point.

[@niespeludo]

The other way around. In the middle of the movie when he stoos taking his medications is when things begins to get fuzzy. He carries two personalities in him, the confident, hyper realistic, pessimistic and graceful joker and the complete opposite in Arthur. You'll get a clue when each is apparent of you look at what hand he is using. Everytime he writes a note with his right hand his handwriting is different and his notes are more depressing, when he writes with his left hand he is the joker, writing firmly and with a different handwriting style. He practiced killing himself in the show with his right hand all the time, when he actually gets to the show he kills Robert de Niro's character using his left hand. The last scene in the movie has all walls as white walls when we specifically saw Arkham walls being old and yellow before. The last scene is meant to symbolize "walking into the light", both as a metaphor for Arthur dying as well as the Joker being born. Look out for his use of his right hand vs his left hand and you'll see when each version of himself is there. I've watched the movie 3 times now and am still finding new things and clues here and there. The Joker and Batman are born the same day, in a way. It is always implied that Batman is just one bad day away from being the joker, and the joker had one hell of a bad days for Arthur to accept his personal and leave the Arthur in him behind. He had his 5 basis of life shattered in a day (family, friends, love, work/profession/money, that which you look up to) when he didn't find any friends, his love was just imagination, his hope of family was absolutely shattered in both his inconclusive knowledge of Thomas Wayne and him killing his mother as a way to kill the last time to his his more humane Arthur side, his idol making him viral for being so bad and so on. The movie has so many details that it will take you several times until you get most clues and references. Both Joaquin Phoenix and the director killed it with this movie.

[@kristofferopstad290]

drubio Bro, is the "changing writing hand" thing for real? Did he actually do that?

[@bartxxx9590]

@@niespeludo I did notice his writing with left hand and killing Murray with left hand. There is definitely a clue there but when he was killing the other clown with the scicor in his home he was using his right hand so I don't know about this theory

[@defqon01]

If he made it all up it would be the worst ending possible.

[@TheQuatum]

Agreed. It would discredit the entire movie

[@junioradult6219]

Well yes if you don't understand the joker. I would say him making it all up would fit his personality. I don't think that it was all made up but there's no way to tell just assumptions by everyone

[@bard1250]

@@junioradult6219 there are numerous clues which hint to the fact that the entire movie is made up in his head. The song "white room", several clocks showing the same time, 6 shot snubnose firing 8 shots AND VARIOUS other inconsistencies all point in the same direction. Either the director does not pay attention to detail or he wanted us to know it's in his head. I know which one I'm gping with. He killed his mom and his in the Asylum being interviewed by a black therapist as she unlocks his past he fills the gaps. quite simple actually.

[@DavidMcmenemy]

Not really. It's an incredible film regardless of any theory.

[@layth6857]

@@DavidMcmenemy yeah it's a great film, but it pretty stupid

[@LeoUSA33]

If Arthur is not the Joker, then it defeats the purpose of the movie, in my opinion.

[@cruzitocarl2135]

one great way to ruin a movie = "it never happened"

[@kaayhoudijk9644]

@mike O it has a story that is more important to me than a lot of dumb explosions in a action movie without a good story like hobbs and shaw i dont care how slow a movie is if the ending is great and makes a good end to the story it doesnt matter to me

[@twistncrawl23]

@mike O: Says "Yep the movie is dumb along with slow and boring".... ....saves playlists on his channel about 'stretching ham-strings'. Yeah, way to go, dude - exciting times, right there! 🤣🤣

[@ElegyForTheMasses]

Cruzito Carl What about Jacob’s Ladder (1990)?

[@thatgirlreacts5465]

LeoUSA33 what did you think the purpose of the movie is?

[@macleunin]

I will feel very cheated if it turns out to be just his imagination, it takes alway all the value of the movie, which was amazing btw

[@carlosrobertoflores8369]

I don’t think that he was imagining the whole thing but certainly he did imagine some of the events, like the Murray show experience when he was in the audience or the time with the GF. I was telling another fella that I have my own theory; in the scene when Arthur goes to the Arkham Hospital, he talk to the guy about what does it take to a person to get in there? A crime? Or something else and the guy said some of them committed a crime or some are just insane... so Arthur is saying implicitly that he wants to get in there probably because that’s the only place he could find either peace or a place where people will treat him without the emptiness or cruelty of the society he’s so tired of... so he does the killings (possibly his imaginary gf and Murray) to be captured and sent to the Arkham Hospital. When he’s there he’s laughing at the whole picture because he realized that he not only is there but at the same time he took revenge on TW and the others...

[@supertuesday600]

You will be very naive to not know that Joker has always been a great liar. He lies all the time. This 'origin past' has been conjured up to trick audiences into sympathizing with his 'past'. But don't forget he killed the female hospital staff at the end, cold bloodedly. Joker can never be trusted. No one knows his true history.

[@revaniaazzahra4628]

Carlos Roberto Flores omg it could be right...

[@nath7486]

I think he did imagine all the movie, and that we were watching it unfold in his head as he is already sst in arkham asylum, already being the joker.

[@deeez4583]

Seems to simple to do the whole movie was in his head cliche maybe that was to throw us off the scent and he really inspired Bruce to be the next joker has a clown ever killed his parents before?

[@Andrewoval]

I hope the joker movie is based on joker. To me it would invalidate the entire premise of who the joker was if it was just a regular with a head case.

[@JackTenderloin]

Andrewoval that’s how I feel, kind of betrayed if it wasn’t true

[@lucianradusart]

The joker could be anyone...it ia more of a symbol

[@DavidL1986]

To be fair it's only other people that have come up with this b/s.. tbh the entire film should just be called "man in a mental health hospital" in that case.. as it would have nothing to do with the Joker

[@funnynotjokin2387]

But it’s not called “ The Joker “ it’s called “Joker”

[@Andrewoval]

@@DavidL1986 I really hope not, todd phillips better becareful how he goes about this. Nothing worse then him saying "HA, i got everyone, it was just a regular guy who you thought was the joker!"

[@avengedknot3698]

aH tHiS iSnT tHe AcTuAl jOkEr Me: do you have a death wish

[@ManamaEd]

Ask her if she would like a knock knock joke

[@fearthereaper76]

"If i was dying on the sidewalk you would walk right over me"

[@blitzcloud]

I interpreted the "you wouldn't get the joke" showing Bruce in the alley as in he learned how he left another person abandoned the same way he was.

[@Dave4493]

Agreed

[@dylansmith2550]

That makes a lot of sense and also makes direct reference to that shot in the alley so I think youre right

[@dominguesflorian6127]

Same here bro. That ande the fact (for fans) that he is indirectly responsable for creating his nemesis. That's the joke.

[@blitzcloud]

@@dominguesflorian6127 yes, that too!

[@estoylaroca]

^ ...except for the fact that Arthur isn't Bruce's nemesis, because as writer stated, they wouldn't even meet. Arthur is not the Joker that is Batman's enemy. Arthur is the Joker that is society's enemy.

[@TheAbbeyoftheEveryman]

If none of the movie was real that would mean he imagined himself imagining himself in the audience of the show and imagined himself imagining he had a girlfriend...............

[@ankuras143]

Imagineception!

[@legizticz6360]

Thats what im trying to get at I think its the real Joker

[@facelessandnameless]

4Pr0 yup

[@thechallange7227]

Just imagine...

[@1221Hero]

Yes! How fucking lame is that? If your going to do the whole, oh he made it all up or it's all in his mind shit, then at least follow Fight Club's lead and make it brilliantly fucking clear. In Fight Club you were given the clues and answers in the first 20 minutes of the movie. When you rewatched you went oh shit there it was, again and again. None of this blatantly being ambiguous and deceptive with the audience for no reason at all. And really damnitt this is Joker! wWhat significance does this really have? This is like adding the rock wall in front of R2-D2. Why? The movie alone is incredible without the "he made up the whole thing" shit. Why fuck with that?

[@mountainbreeze4176]

“No, Definitely not” all while smiling and nodding his head

[@emyf9197]

And here I thought they may change their minds after Joaquin got open for more movies as joker. And insert him in robert pattinsons batman movie

[@youbian]

Money ain’t no Joke

[@twistedbiker6909]

People are way over analyzing this film. There were two parts that were imagined. Him at the Murray show at the beginning, and his relationship with the chick down the hall. The movie made it a point to emphasize the parts that were in his head. Think of it like this, if the words “six months later” appeared on the screen when it showed him at the nut house, it would have been obvious the events in the movie were real, aside from the ones that were obviously in his head.

[@freddiemercury4evr]

That's my take on it, too.

[@insideman-v1w]

Clearly put. 🤙

[@TheSpidersider]

Finally someone said it, i don't know where people got the "it's all in his head" theory, the movie made it pretty clear when he was imagining things and when he wasn't.

[@nenachula718]

That’s how I felt the movie clearly showed us when he was imagining things.

[@muttineni03]

What do you mean he was imagining he was at Murray show? So you think he was not invited to that show and he didn't kill Murray?

[@richardludwig9814]

He genuinely laughs at Thomas Wayne on television and his mother tells him "that's not funny"

[@PaigeBorenheim]

I think he laughed out of nervousness more than genuinely.

[@richardludwig9814]

@@PaigeBorenheim what I mean by genuine is that this laugh was not fake. It wasn't to disguise his pain or to fit in. He scoffs at Thomas Wayne's remarks about those 'lower' than himself being clowns.

[@xzen667]

@@PaigeBorenheim I don't think it was nervousness at all. He probably thought it was hilarious.

[@megandunklin6147]

Yeah but his mother was obsessed with Thomas Wayne.

[@richardludwig9814]

@@megandunklin6147 she sure was

[@mollyscott5892]

One of the best if not the best film of 2019. Will definitely be up for multiple awards.

[@jameswright5572]

Absolutely for best actor (Juaquin Phoenix) and best film. Deserves to win both in my opinion based on what's been out so far.

[@mollyscott5892]

James Wright absolutely agree, perhaps even best musical score, really carried the film in my opinion

[@thatswhatshesaid3406]

Molly Scott that’s what she said

[@georgekromidas5097]

The media and elites hate it so it won’t be winning any awards unfortunately. The award shows are rigged.

[@originalityam1958]

Best film in along time.

[@cameronlarue9112]

I pray they stick with the original “this being the backstory for the joker” than it all being an illusion or none of this happened , if they go with the illusion idea it will go from the best movie I’ve seen in a while to one of the worst

[@TheAdventuresofTNT]

I thought the ending was Joker in the future at arkham asylum and he laughed when thinking of Bruce because he knew he was the reason Bruce became batman.

[@jonathanpratte1988]

So Joker from the future knows Bruce Wayne is Batman. You stopped your meds too?

[@TheQuatum]

Well hot dog. Now THAT'S a good theory

[@xBaDaBiNgx]

Yeah, he looked much older in the asylum.

[@TheAdventuresofTNT]

Why wouldn't he know. Joker is an intelligent individual. Plus who knows what happens in the future in that universe.

[@hatfmnel]

Joker doesnt know who Batman is. And he don't want to know. It's really clear in the comics. Joker cares about Batman, and only Batman. He don't want to know who he is. And how the fuck should he knows in this movie, that he is responsible for Thomas and Martha death..

[@RahulTalrejaD]

"When you hand me my Oscar, can you introduce me as JOKER ?" - Mr.Joaquin Phoenix

[@cambones1969]

Nice.

[@swanrivers3708]

Yassss, Facts!

[@stpaulimdog]

Only if you let security search you first.

[@reggieazem4143]

During the final scene,where he's genuinely laughing, there was a flash back of Wayne's in the Alleyway, I thought he was laughing bc now they're both Orphans, two sides of the same coin kinda of thing

[@Dolphins-ov5oe]

Reggie Azem same. He ruined Bruce’s childhood as the Wayne’s did to him. That was my first reaction

[@stephaniemitchell8509]

@@Dolphins-ov5oe Which makes how they both turned out so compelling. Similar origins, such different paths.

[@No-Artist]

they are the same person, take into account that when he meets bruce they are dressed the same, they are each other batman and joker are one, look at the Arkham Knight game where joker lives through batman..

[@kyledonahue33]

yes and also in joker's book he had written a joke about "what if your hole life ended on the sidewalk..." so it's ironic for him that his mad scribblings came true. all of the things joker find funny are things the rest of society gets upset about, because no one cared about him, so his ideas of right and wrong are flipped, and for him, society is the enemy.

[@JackTheripper911]

@@No-Artist Mate the game and movie have literally nothing to do with each other and trying to use a game as evidence or "proof" makes you look stupid.

[@MrSucc-fp7rt]

So he was imagining himself, imagining about being on the Murry Franklin show? IMAGINCEPTION

[@alifmuhammadchicago]

Bwaaaaam

[@lodakblack4208]

He has to be the real joker this movie was amazing

[@glennorleans8280]

Yeah I'd be pissed if he's not the real one

[@Haveagreatdayight]

Glenn Orleans same

[@terminaltranscendence8422]

Yes...amazing 💯

[@greensloth9671]

Glenn Orleans same

[@alecmitchell24]

Maori Boy and even that was actually not bad, far from a masterpiece but he was actually pretty close to the comic book joker (I don’t mean aesthetically)

[@HereForTheComments]

I hope the potential sequel makes more cents than this "explanation."

[@MrLegitMafia]

i wouldn't get your hopes up for a sequel, i don't know where this rumor started of a sequel but todd phillips said himself in an interview that he is not interested or planning one.

[@samfitz1567]

I like how you used a movie quote by using “cents” instead of “sense”

[@Azazelsama]

cents......learn english

[@secret.ritual]

Azazel sama seems like you didn’t understand the pun cents you said that

[@RENOTHEHYNERIAN]

@@Azazelsama he writes cents instead of sence in his joke book my guy

[@aimansirkhot3822]

imo all those events did happen,right before the joker shoots murray he says you get what you deserve,those are exactly the same words repeated by the follower right before he shoots thomas wayne,these are small details which one does not think of while imagining things,i heavily believe that murray was shot during a live telecast and the followers saw that telecast and picked up on the you get what you deserve phrase,i seriously hope these are all wild theories cause i don't like the idea of oh it was all in his head and arthur has to be the joker,i just don't like the idea of someone else getting inspired by arthur and becoming the joker

[@AlessioAlessi]

Think whatever you want. But Phoenix won't come back for a sequel, so we'll never know if this is the real Joker or not

[@SauceMan2711]

aiman sirkhot Couldn’t agree anymore

[@kevinmott9046]

Alessio Alessi but he quoted literally he would love to come back and play the Joker again.

[@NoNo-wz5yv]

The reason the dude said that in the ally is specifically because Joker said it on tv. He saw him. Remember the riots didn’t start till joker shot him.

[@thedarklord2439]

@@AlessioAlessi yeah he said he'll love to be in a sequel as joker lol. Don't think you been on Facebook lately

[@RainbowBubbleSparkle]

I refuse to believe he isn’t the real Joker. He was too good to not be and I’m really sad there won’t be Joker and Batman movie.

[@WorkFromYourLaptop]

“For my whole life, I didn't know if I even really existed. But I do, and people are starting to notice.” - Arthur Fleck

[@Darkziiy]

Work From Your Laptop omg quotes omg, i hate people like you

[@hellothere6882]

@@Darkziiy "omg quotes omg, i hate people like you" -- Des2inybro

[@SiliconDrifter]

Des2inybro “omg quotes omg, omg quotes, omg omg omg omg omgmgmdjjd derp!...”

[@danieltrevino7878]

“Hey Arthur , you think you can open the door for me?”

[@JackTenderloin]

When he walks into the glass door 😂😂

[@sebastians.poshteh6877]

Spam Or the scene where he accidentally dropped his pistol at the hospital 😂

[@chasepotter2376]

And Joe Rogan said there wasn’t a single funny moment in the film 🙄🤦🏻‍♂️

[@danieltrevino7878]

Sebastian S.P. I died

[@jdiggitydog]

That is a perfect example of comedic relief

[@Parkie355]

My theory: the only illusions in the film are the obvious ones. The first chat show segment and his fake relationship with his neighbour. What Arthur is laughing about at the end of the film is the fact he’s been locked up. Remember him asking the dude at Arkham ‘what it takes to be locked up in here’. To him, the Murders he committed aren’t serious to him to be locked up in Arkham.

[@MichaelM-gp1xi]

Exactly. This is the explanation. Relationship and audience at Murray's show.

[@bryangomez2536]

What about the baby who wasn’t in the bus? What about the 3 guys he killed singing send in the clown for no reason and “beating him”? What about being beaten over a sign? What about Randall giving him the gun? What about the whole protest with clown masks after he conveniently sees the killer clown page at a post during his fake date with his neighbor and then sees a guy in the car with the mask? I could go on, it seems every scene is distorted from what really happened, but what one can say is that Arthur perceived everything in a way that he thought justified his actions

[@bryangomez2536]

I could go on but you get the memo, the movie is just too ambiguos to know what really happened but I can firmly say the protest with clown masks and Murray show thing never happened

[@rhproductions2539]

Bryan Gomez you gave me a completely different outtake on the movie after reading your theory. Now I’m reviewing the movie after thinking I understood it when I really did not and missed the obvious but also a lot of the film was meant to be inconspicuous in my observation.

[@bryangomez2536]

Ek Rene yea, like the movie is meant to be ambiguous and it’s hard to decipher some things and people have missed on a lot of stuff. If he imagined he was at the Murray show at the beginning and everything else he sure can imagine him killing Murray and a protest of people praising him. Plus it seems like he perceived everything in a way that could somehow justify all of his actions. Another example is that with how mentally ill he is, is not only did he imagine a kid at the bus he was trynna make laugh, he also imagined the kids mother saying to leave the kid alone, when she doesn’t have one. She might not have even talked to him at all

[@scar5117]

how did arthur "remember" and "look back" at the scene where bruce's parents died if he wasn't even there in that alley when they got killed? 🤔

[@eleventhhouseofzenith]

All joker has to do is hear about how the wayans were killed(famous family in Gotham) and concoct a story how it was because of them.

[@giada951]

Just Call Me Sky I thought that maybe Arthur observed Bruce's parents's death while the other guy killed them, or the dude with the mask was actually him. Arthur is the narrator, right? Maybe he didn't show us that detail and let us believe that he just woke up on the car and was applauded by the crowd. Who knows!

[@Piecesoftheshadow]

Just Call Me Sky I didn't think it cut to little batman because Joker was remembering that moment, because like you said, he wasn't there. I took it as an inside Joke between the Joker and the audience. The joke being how in this universe, we now know that the bad guy created the hero. We also know how the Joker's actions led to the death of batmans parents, and that batman will now be broken in ways that allow him to go on to carry on this constant dance him and the Joker are always dancing in every comic and movie and cartoon. They are now connected in this sort of broken darkness. And it's all because of the Joker (in this movie, anyway).

[@Piecesoftheshadow]

Just Call Me Sky which would be why he'd say "you wouldn't get it." Because it's sort of a foreshadowing and more of a inside tragic joke of what we know is to come for batman. The joke is between the audience and The Joker (a villain known and loved by many through generations, so even though this is a new take on him, we all feel like we know him, and the essence of his character just jumps from one version to the next). That's how I took it.

[@jchess78]

Maybe the Joke is he is psychotic pretending to be crazy and orchestrated the entire thing to kill Wayne and cause chaos in society. By doing so we the audience knows “the joke” is on Arthur. His desire was to create an orphan but like him but what he really did was create his own enemy.

[@realitycheck2051]

But I want Joaquin to be the real joker, the true prince of crime!😫😫😫😫Gosh I fell in love with this beautiful yet tragic movie!

[@TheDrYakub]

“There are always 2 jokers in a deck of cards”

[@Xe974]

You're fucking right 😵😵😵😵😵😵😵

[@DavidSmith-hc4bv]

Sumbitch,yup

[@maxrockatansky3102]

Interesting thought, well put

[@ethandehoyos7449]

Woah

[@timvanrijn8239]

hmmm? king queen and jack

[@chadfurlong2919]

"How much of Joker do you think really happened in the movie." Everything that the film didn't explicitly show us was fantasy. This is a pointless and annoying question to posit.

[@FuzzyLittleBastard]

Except the movie doesn't always say when he's being delusional. Sure, there is that one point where we find out his girlfriend wasn't real but that just puts it in your head that everything after it might be fake. the fact that the director and actors involved in the movie acknowledge this actually proves my point.

[@carlosrobertoflores8369]

Carlos Roberto Flores I have my own theory; in the scene when Arthur goes to the Arkham Hospital, he talks to the guy who has his mom’s files about what does it take to a person to get in there? A crime? Or something else and the guy explains him that some of them committed a crime or some are just insane... so Arthur is implied that he wants to get in there probably because that’s the only place he could find either peace or a place where people will treat him without the emptiness or cruelty of the society he’s so tired of... so he does the killings (possibly killing his imaginary gf, his mother and Murray) to be captured and to be sent to the Arkham Hospital. When he’s finally there he’s laughing at the whole picture because he realized that he’s not only there but at the same time he took revenge killing TW and the others...

[@MultiFabar]

FuzzyLittleBastard the gf was imaginary but he still went to the comedy club, he still read the paper at the news stand, he got invited to the talk show because of his stand up act. I think what happened was real, just not the girl being there

[@chadfurlong2919]

@@MultiFabar Yes. Absolutely correct. Any interpretation suggesting that the movie was all in his head from any point forward is ridiculous.

[@shaunboy97]

But if "everything was made up" how do we explain the bloody footprints at the end?

[@Yoshiyuki066]

Shaun LaBrie one of the coolest details in the movie

[@Waterbug1591]

See that's already THE indication that much of everything happened for real. He's turned into a blood thirsty maniac due to what happened before. Any thoughts on saying it was all made up is just a cheap plot twist that makes the whole movie completely pointless.

[@shaunboy97]

@@Waterbug1591 I agree... If the acts that took place wasn't real, then he's simply NOT the Joker and would cheapen his character

[@zehrad9184]

That’s what I though after the movie

[@publicopinion3596]

He killed the lady but maybe he was telling her the story we saw and its all made up

[@the-expertstreetb-racer5832]

As kids we loved the heroes As adults we understand the villans To be honest, I loved the villans when I was a kid.

[@seymourkrelborn4780]

Yeah me too, my favourite action figure was Green Goblin with the removable helmet. He still always died on his own glider though when I played with him and Spider-Man

[@kotominekirei2887]

quirky doe😀😀quirky😀I hate good guy😠😠😡

[@seymourkrelborn4780]

@@kotominekirei2887 Nah heroes are cool

[@timvanrijn8239]

today heroes are being eaten alive by a sence they need to be more flauwed. i sujest you watch some non american stuff it refreshing

[@antichthon3597]

I always loved venom

[@HeavyMetalMike]

"It was all fake" endings are terrible, reminds me of Lost.

[@yousufazad5640]

like he said, "You Wont get it"

[@rulersonicboom4737]

Yeah it just sucks out all the fun and satisfaction of the events happening. It feels empty and felt like you watches for nothing. Anyways the movie is open to interpretation so I am gonna assume that all the events were true just reimagines in some parts such as him being the Murray show audience, going out with Sophie...etc.

[@rulersonicboom4737]

The movie was an absolute masterpiece of cinema.

[@HeavyMetalMike]

@@rulersonicboom4737 yeah, I loved it.

[@newdrew2744]

The only parts that were fake was the girlfriend, they clearly showed that. Everything else was real.

[@Jeremy-ql1or]

3:50 "One day I will say what we meant." Yeah, I'm pretty sure the guy who made two sequels to the Hangover isn't going to let this one end with just one movie.

[@cloudburstdrones]

American psycho already pulled off the “did he didn’t he” gag. I think we can assume everything did happen save for what they spelled out as his hallucination (The first scene with Murray on TV, Zazie)

[@xzen667]

My thoughts are this is like the mirror of American Psycho. In American Psycho all the horrible things he did and the killings were in his head. In Joker pretty much only the good things in Arthur's life were in his head and it was all the horrible stuff and killings that were real.

[@Jebu911]

Difference between american psycho and this is that in the end of joker I was pretty much sure that yeah he definitely did kill all those people.

[@Kayodoms]

David Quevedo like American psycho is the first movie to ever do that lol.. everything has been done before.. it’s about the execution.

[@carloscabrera7073]

But there's a scene at the beginning where Fleck is talking to his therapist and they briefly discuss how he ended up there and then it cuts to a quick shot of Fleck in the white room seen in the final scene. What's up with that?

[@kizubluu674]

David Quevedo Here is my interpretation of the ending... You noticed at the end of the movie with the riot. In the crash, you notice how the make up is so faint to the point where you can see both arthur fleck AND the joker in the same frame. Could that mean that reality and fantasy have came across with itself in that scene? That made me feel what we are seeing is completely real. Ever sense he realized the girl was never there, it felt like the illusions have just faded into have slowly faded and are now crossing with what is reality going on. When he became the joker, not only did he find himself...But he slowly was blending into the real world. For example when he came onto murray, they thought it was nothing more than a “political statement” when author could honestly care less about politics Not only that but It was never his fault that he happened to be a symbol of the “clowns” and become a political statement for killing those 3. I feel it’s not just Murray that made him come up with the name “joker”. It feels he that he dressed that way be because his life felt literally like “a joke”. Therefore, he honestly had nothing to lose. He now has no parents nor an identity. It was as if the clown protesters were an added bonus to him finally finding himself. Not only did he find himself but he found his audience that he could relate to along the way. I never saw the movie as him distancing himself from reality. I see it as all of this time, he was really slowly crossing INTO reality. A reality he was never aware of. A reality he never asked for. But he got it. Look who is laughing now...and at the end of course...he is the one laughing.

[@jackdeviant2025]

In my mind. Hes the "first" joker. He has inspired a whole legion of "clowns" that can take his place. He also, at the least, created his batman instead of the other way around. Though this batman years later might end up chasing a crook through a chemical plant, and that crook could be having "one bad day"......

[@Spawn223311]

They are really stretching the concept of he being crazy and that maybe all of it was in his head. It was so good that it being real wouldn't hurt anything.

[@assassinferretproject5121]

Arthur Fleck is the joker. The Director is pulling a joke on us.

[@yliu7945]

The real joker is the one who saved Arthur and killed the mayor and his wife.

[@axp1817]

@@yliu7945 he is not the same guy.

[@neetsuri]

Joker:"I killed those 3 at the subway." Murray:"so whats the punchline ?" Joker:"it wasnt a joke so ther isnt a punchline." This gave me chills frf !!

[@gongon1237]

I killed those guys because they were awful. Everybody is awful these days. It's enough to make anyone crazy.

[@stpaulimdog]

The part that got me was killing the clown with scissors. Also the funniest scene too.

[@sxerwin]

Pretty sure he said “there is no punchline”

[@stpaulimdog]

@@erin7800 It would be funnier if he said this is the punchline and gave him a death punch.

[@paule.2687]

Would prefer no sequel is made, this movie is so amazing on its own I feel like a sequel would just ruin it

[@miata100]

imo. This is the Joker. Everything we saw for the most part happened. The final line "you wouldn't get it" is just him being honest

[@spetty007]

Midwest Miata He was day dreaming in half of the movie.

[@MrShabbaaaa]

For me, when he laughed at the end and said "you wouldn't get it", I interpreted it as him genuinely laughing about how his life has turned out and who he's become, as in the joke is his life and "she wouldn't get it" because she hasn't lived it. It also reminded me of a couple of times, as he was getting more violent as the movie progressed, that he said he was realising his life isn't tragic it's just comedy to everyone

[@deansolistino]

This is false he said he wouldn’t meet Robert Patterson’s Batman

[@SwoloQ]

Dean Solistino thank you, someone actually listening

[@richardwinfrey28]

Exactly. If they did a Batman film directed by TP and it kinda mirrored this one it would be cool. Then the third film could see the two collide. I mean come on. EVERYONE wants to see Phoenix’s Joker as a main villain in a Batman film. That would be epic

[@deansolistino]

Richard Winfrey I agree- never looked at that idea yet- however I really want to see a serious harlequinn and Scarface (puppet guy)

[@brkscat92]

@@SwoloQ you don't listen, do you?

[@deansolistino]

BrksCat ?

[@Tobi-ys3iq]

“Hey Murray one small thing.. when you bring me out, can you introduce me as Joker?”

[@slight7596]

I feel like the bloody footprints at the end kinda confirmed at least half of his actions

[@rickyd3787]

Exactly... my wife didn't even notice em... I was like a kid "oh look look look he got er" then explains why he was being chased up and down junction at the end of the hall.. actually made a funny ending

[@shivam12am]

Very well pointed out. But the first social service lady asked him y was he locked in the hospital earlier to which he replied '' I don't know why they did that''. This could again mean a lot of things or maybe mostly everything happening is an imagination. But he brutally killing his mom might not be an imagination but can't say the same about the Murry

[@taiga17]

When he said those words on Murray's talk show, I got mad chills. It's so true.

[@cruzitocarl2135]

it was a nice speech

[@tcmustang3424]

I'll continue believing that ending was real, not a story Fleck made up. Because idea that it wasn't real, but just a story told by a man suffering from insanity, who isn't Joker, ruins the movie for me.

[@Waterbug1591]

like the whole thing was just a dream, completely pointless to even present those past events to us.

[@pobzify6860]

I don't care if Joaquin's Joker is gonna have a face-off with Batman or not, just give us a sequel!!! 😂

[@benmurphygo1]

wrong. Arthur ,his entire life ,has been nothing but misery and this is the first thing he’s ever done meaning becoming joker and doing what he did that has made him happy. that’s why his laugh is genuine.

[@srinidhiacharla1766]

ben murphy he was in an asylum if you remember it right while on session with his first psychiatrist. She even asks him what he did that he’s put in there and you’ll see that he’s in the asylum banging his head at the door. Explain this to me. It’s what you take and what do you like better.

[@SuccessfulMentality94]

sedax aleixo they gave no indication that he couldn’t have returned. It’s left ambiguous, therefore that scene could easily just be meaningless

[@srinidhiacharla1766]

Or it could be that he was in an asylum possibility is at the beginning. He did some messed up shit to end up in the asylum. He is delusional so he might have committed a crime before this story has ever begun and the ending scene could actually be the beginning of this movie. His first victim is the psychiatrist whom he killed. He might have allowed to leave the asylum after he was proved sane and on proper medication after a very long time or probably might have escaped that place like he tried at the end shot. He got into his normal life staying put and secret , helping his mom and getting beaten by the society as Arthur and then he again breaks into insanity once he is off the medication. He turns into joker at the end but never gets caught hence the last scene of him with the bloody smile is the end of him trying to stay sane and the clown is born.

[@CharFil]

I'd like to think he is the joker. He is the man who we all know and love. He is a mentally deranged lunatic who made all of his choices because of the comedic unluckiness of his life, and who constantly thought about what his life *should* be like, fantasizing about the world being a nicer place. None of the good parts happened and so he pushed farther off the cliff of sanity.

[@funnynotjokin2387]

CharFil Jack Napier

[@yessir1908]

Honestly to me he looked a lot more sane towards the end. Seemed he found a purpose in his life and was not gullible or delusional anymore.

[@DavidL1986]

That's what I also liked about his joker. Even during his insanity, he was still able to hold a relatively normal conversation with someone

[@xShotgunSurgeryx]

@@yessir1908 exactly. i saw the blood smile scene to symbolize the true birth of the joker closer to the one we recognize and he found found his lifes purpose in causing mayhem. he even has people willing to fight for his cause.

[@PRODUCEDBYAD]

Vince Oubre I think that was him becoming joker. He finally saw what was real and that's when he started to act differently

[@ezequielrodriguez9171]

That makes sense, in the Dark Knight, everytime the joker says how he got his scars, it's a different way, like he can't remember and just comes up with a new story about his scars

[@The5thKind]

I got the message that the ending was real. Entailing a moral message following on from the remarks of what we class as funny and do not after the interview scene. Whats the difference in making fun of someone for there inadequacies, (as in his inadequacy as a human being to do what he loves in his comedy routine) and the joke with the drunk driver and "Bruce" now having the inadequacy of a lack of parents to look after him. depending how you look at it.. i got the message it was about how as a society we are very hypocritical. And with such a distorted line of how we should behave to others when in comparison to human actions / reactions such as the "mocking" of someone to millions on the tv. To then turn around as a position and say he is the bad guy for snapping when he did. He should have just took it.And not "warewolved" ,. Pointing to the facts of how easily we have all been duped into a flawed logic presented to us. Controlled by bright lights of screens. Told when to clap. (What to think) And NOW for many, its time to Wake up

[@Memeking4991]

I watched the movie a few times and whenever there is a imaginary scene you can hear instruments play. For example when ever Jokers is with his "girlfriend", we later come to know that in reality she doesn't even personally know him with the scene when he ends up in her apartment. And that is one of the only scenes when the instruments don't play. . You should really look into it. Eddie bravo

[@alexgamer1556]

I like that the title says "finally", yeah it's like we have been waiting for this revelation for decades

[@cobracommander8133]

The reporting in this video is inaccurate. In an interview at TIFF, Todd Phillips mentions that if people want to view the movie as a delusion of Arthur Flecks, and that he was actually in Arkham the entire time, that it’s an interesting way to view the movie, but it’s not what he was thinking of while making the movie.

[@chadfurlong2919]

He was being nice. It's a stupid way to interpret the movie.

[@cobracommander8133]

Chad Furlong I agree with that

[@emirlsanchos6302]

@@chadfurlong2919 It's the equivalent of the "It was all a dream" narrative cop out that I seriously loathe. If it ever turned out Joker resorted to this, my enjoyment of the movement would be absolutely ruined. You never, EVER fall back on "It wasn't real." because then it negates all the investment a viewer has in the characters and plot.

[@OfficialXa3on]

I watched the interview with Todd that they used in this, and they cut out the most crucial part of the question. He said "definitely not" regarding having his movie merge with robert pattinsons batman specifically. Not batman in general. For all we know, he will make a much cooler batman if he chooses to.

[@TallicaMan1986]

If he does make a Batman. That Batman is gunna have some mental illness as well.

[@GumbyTheGreen1]

Nah, he's not interested in making comic book movies. He said Joker was "a way to sneak a real movie into the studio system under the guise of a comic book film".

[@user-gm4kv2my4u]

@@TallicaMan1986 they definently suggested it. During the scene with Bruce and Arthur, its pretty clear that Bruce isn't normal. As creepy as the whole forced smile was, it also suggest that Arthur senses a deep seeded sadness in Bruce thats none too different from his own. Bruce's issues predate the Death of his parents. Much like Jokers issues predate the subway.

[@user-gm4kv2my4u]

@@GumbyTheGreen1 Yeah. Its easy to say that before that big juicy check rolls in and you're suddenly a hot shot director who's name is known among the people. It was intially suggested that Joaquin Phoenix wasn't interested in playing Joker again but that was before he was getting a taste of that A list treatment.

[@colleendito2046]

Oscar worthy performance. Loved the coming down the stair dance, like he was reborn.

[@Iggypres]

Who here is a midnight toker?

[@rob-son]

Look who's here

[@Soulful_Cray]

Keep that same energy we want a Batman vs joker rated R movie!!!!

[@TheColossalBlanket]

God I hope it isn't a whole 'it was all in his head' thing. That should've started and ended with fight club.

[@larvancioramos9748]

The movie was The Joker but he isnt The Joker, well done.

[@jchess78]

He is a lunatic who plays jokes on society. The joke is the stories he made up to get people to feel sympathetic towards him. He is the real joker though

[@matriaxpunk]

The Joker that we see at the end in the hospital IS the actual Joker. He's just making up the whole previous story about how he became the Joker. That's why he laughs. It's not that complicated to get.

[@jonmiklo4480]

matriaxpunk I thought the same thing, I mean, what other reason will someone end up at Arkham State Hospital.

[@yardblackjack2191]

I would love to agree, only hole I can find is how would he imagine Batman and his parents being killed if he hasn’t met them yet?

[@JMEAUS22]

The same idea they used for the Usual Suspects

[@Chelis23]

BlackJack21 _ He met Thomas and Bruce Wayne and saw Martha Wayne in the news paper

[@matriaxpunk]

@@yardblackjack2191 we don't really know in what time that last scene is supposed to be happening. It could be perfectly happening in the "present", when he's already fighting Batman.