Jon and Kate Plus 8: Their Unexpected Rise To Fame (Part I)

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Jon and Kate Gosselin, an "ordinary" couple who rose to fame after starring on their TLC Reality Show "Jon and Kate Plus 8 in 2007. The show documented the Pennsylvania couple who welcomed two sets of multiples, twin girls Mady and Cara in 2000 and sextuplets in 2004. In the first part we will take a deep look into how Jon and Kate Gosselin came to be, the start of their relationship, and their unexpected rise to fame. In the second part we will cover the downfall we all saw coming.
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[@betheecommentator]

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[@kaniahankston4310]

It really rubs me the wrong way how they got a whole renovation on their house for FREE! For their growing family and yet, Kate was complaining how she didn’t like it?? The audacity! Why couldn’t she be grateful? There’s so many families out there that get no help smh.

[@betheecommentator]

That is so true, a lot of people and families who need help don’t get any

[@absolutelyridiculous6743]

She's narcissistic. Type A and she claimed she was ignored as a child...smdh. You can't ignore a type A personality if you tried. Her tantrums may not have been catered to, and her mom probably didn't give on to all of her demands, and Kate sees that as ignoring her and having a bad childhood. I've seen this in personality in a former friend. If she wasn't getting 100% of everyone's attention 110% of the time, she thought claimed that no one truly loved her. It was exhausting.

[@stacitowery3475]

She couldn't even pretend to appreciate it.

[@debbiemckeown7626]

The people from their church donated 6 cribs and Kate rejected them because they didn’t all match and she wanted matching ones. She was also rude to the people who volunteered to help with the children.

[@stacitowery3475]

@@debbiemckeown7626 wow

[@SueP-D]

Geez the way she cuts him off, interjects, and speaks for him. You can see the dynamic in that very first video ”how they met”. Jon was already irritated with her, and actually I don’t blame him. I remember when the show first started. I immediately felt kinda sorry for Jon. Kate scolded him nonstop, bossed him around, and just generally had a mean demeanor. That’s what I saw anyways.. lol.

[@betheecommentator]

You’re so right, to me their interactions seem so tense, makes me anxious. There always seems to be underlying tension. The second part will show a lot of their interactions and relationship in the toxic aspect. But I think you are spot on

[@okoala62]

I agree! I also say that early on and cringed for Jon 😐 She is very controlling and EXTREMELY passive aggressive

[@muchadoaboutkovu]

Sometimes when my husband speaks I get excited and interject, but I stop myself and let him speak. Kate’s interjection feels controlling and reminds me of a manager to an employee, not a life partner.

[@JBrodo]

Yeah! Like I wanted to hear what Jon was going to say about living with his mother when he was working at the hotel, but then she cut him off! And didn't think, "Oh, wait, Jon was going to say something," and let him continue. And she knew he probably didn't know what day of the week it was, how she proudly then corrects him, "It was a Sunday." Come on!

[@betheecommentator]

@@JBrodo yes!! I was talking with a family member of mines about this episode and we both watched it and I said I bet you she knew that he didn’t know the answer and was going to get the date wrong, you could see it in her body language with that smirk. She just wanted him to get it wrong so she could correct me, at least that’s how I saw it.

[@longlivebeans]

Something about Kate has always rubbed me the wrong way. She reminds me so much of my narcissistic aunt who loves playing up this wholesome image of a good ol’ god fearing family when in actuality, all my cousins are in therapy working through the trauma of living under that tyrant’s control. Or idk maybe I’m just biased lol.

[@okoala62]

Right?! Kate is giving me a flood of painful memories RUSHING back of the awful, controlling, passive-aggressive and impossible to please manager I had over a year ago. I needed THERAPY because of that woman and watching Kate is bringing all of that back 😫

[@betheecommentator]

I really don’t think you’re biased, Kate herself has said she can be cynical, rude, controlling etc. so I would say your observation is spot on 🤣

[@betheecommentator]

Oh no I’m so sorry you experienced that re: your manager!!

[@amberlinmchugh8115]

I was surprised how honest she was about being controlling and mean to her husband. I don't remember that side of her at all. I couldn't really watch back then, she rubbed me really wrong too

[@dionnedunsmore9996]

Lmao

[@cathynevius2164]

She was looking for a project, not a life partner. The last thing she wanted was someone like herself, someone who would demand to be treated with respect and as an equal. At the beginning he hoped she would inspire him to be the man he could become. By the end all he could think of was escaping “She who must be obeyed”.

[@betheecommentator]

Wow that’s a good observation. She was looking for a project and he was looking for direction. Is that a bad combo?

[@sonyafox3271]

Ask Kate how she done Colin and Hannah?

[@cassiedion4144]

@@betheecommentator perfect recipe for toxicity

[@IndigoRoses7]

Narcissistic people look for certain qualities in a person that they will marry. They want an agreeable and docile doormat, that doesn't mind being in the passenger seat. They go after quiet empaths that are okay with being controlled and bossed around.. for the sake of doing whatever is asked by the person they love. I do believe narcissists marry and get into relationships based on these qualities in a partner. I don't think they go for people that demand equal ground or a partner that insists on mutual respect or mutual compromise. They want to control and direct and they want a partner okay with them doing that I think alot of narcissists will marry purely for these reasons, regardless of physical attraction or any other connections to their spouse. If they feel they can be in control, that's what's important to them I've noticed narcissistic women in particular will treat their husbands like they are another child

[@insertnamehere5809]

Kate was the OG KAREN! and although Jon had his faults, the amount of grief that Jon went through because of Kate's incessant nagging & belittling was too much to bear.

[@yelizaveta1278]

Came here to say this exact thing🙃

[@amandawhitney6255]

👏👏 ⬆️ 😵Shew what an opener too! Be Thee Best 💞 The 'middle child syndrome' seems ever present- like woven into her being by her own right... sure got the floor Kate, all eyes on you.. Hearing Collin speak about his teenage years (12, 13, 14) was so sad - heartbreaking that interview was-- I can't imagine ** When I heard his vows to her I thought I wonder if she proofed them, bc he wouldn't say that again if you paid him!

[@kellysowhat88]

The “can I speak to manager” haircut literally came from her. Facts.

[@debbiemckeown7626]

Kate pushed away all her friends and family because of how she is and blames everyone for it. Jon tried his best to make her happy but you could see gradually on the show how he became resentful for it.

[@amandawhitney6255]

@@debbiemckeown7626 agree 100% .... you don't have to have it all together/planned/organized all the time- you need love, and as long as you have love first you will be good . I think she forgot to pencil that in

[@Starfalllen]

"We were that couple who were sickening sweet." **cuts to 1998 Christmas video** K: Is it recording?? J: YES, KATE. Look at the red light! K: **giggles, sits down beside him** K, in a cutesy voice: Merry Christmaaaas! J: **sits stone-faced as she kisses his cheek** Ah, yes. Young love. Maybe Jon was having a bad day or theyd just had a fight, but even here, they don't seem happy lol.

[@Bakedbri]

I wonder if he was regretting wrapping up the ring 😭

[@jacquelynroe9036]

Yeah haha. She asks him if it’s recording once, and he doesn’t answer because he’s in the middle of talking to the camera, so then she cuts him off to ask again. It’s kind of like how you’d talk to a child who was ignoring you.. not your partner.

[@ashy3525]

That scene was def awkward

[@Itsjustme0822]

I paused the video and came looking for this comment as soon as that part of the video played 🤣🤣

[@berserk1437]

7:26 They seem really tipsy. They met during a hotel conference I'd imagine Kate was overindulging herself and got carried away, which seems like a pattern

[@doingme8384]

I believe this is why John started to resent Kate. Because she begged him and demanded she had her way for another child and then…..he got 6. He started to hate her for her lack of respect and forcing him into things he didn’t want. Then as if he didn’t have a voice to begin with, she became a monstrous control freak even more. He had no life with his own family. It was sad. I think anyone saw this coming.

[@carolynfranklin1447]

She "forced" him to impregnate her...? Lucky him! Many women try to avoid pregnancy.

[@idk9992]

@@carolynfranklin1447 Excuse me...but when you borderline bully your own partner into impregnation, regardless of gender, that is wrong. She pushed him and pushed him until there was no backbone left in him. They ended up getting 6 babies at once due to her insistence on having another child. The man didn't stand a chance, since as clearly shown, she didn't even let him finish a sentence or answer anything without cutting him off or correcting him-on national television. imagine what a peach she must have been to deal with when the cameras weren't rolling. Your comment doesn't make much sense. I've watched their shows for over a decade, and it is very evident he was pushed into having another child -then she got pregnant with sextuplets. I can't even fathom having six infants and two very young kids at the same time -all while being bullied and steamrolled over by his own spouse on national television. Think before you make ignorant comments and perhaps actually listen to the information given. She was a maniac.

[@fvckfascists]

@@carolynfranklin1447 Did you hear how he didn't even want 1 more kid? And then he got 6? She is a control freak and I struggle to have any sympathy for her in specific. John, however, I do feel bad for. Didn't seem like he had too much of a say in anything.

[@auntiem0thman]

And then she discards certain children at a special school when they don't fit her perfect image. I would be very angry with my child's other parent if they did something like that.

[@doingme8384]

@@carolynfranklin1447 did you watch the documentary? He didn’t want anymore children and she kept on him until he gave in. You don’t do that. He only did it to make her happy, he didn’t want the other pregnancy.

[@lindygraham8412]

The twins were born just short of their 1st anniversary 🤨 that is NOT my definition of infertility struggle! Sounds more like she didn't get pregnant on her honeymoon and immediately started fertility treatment. That's insane. I'm honestly surprised a doctor helped her that early... of wait, she was a labor and delivery nurse, that's right. She had a totally different experience than the rest of the world who experiences infertility. Most doctors need you to "try" for a year before they will give you a referral to see a specialist.

[@betheecommentator]

Someone else brought that up and that is a good observation I didn’t even think about. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and opinions with us

[@pamelalansbury94]

She was working as a nurse. She knew r at which dr’s to use and what to say to get what she wanted.

[@FukaiKokoro]

While I agree slightly the medical definition of infertility is a year or more of not being able to get pregnant. And it’s best to act as soon as possible. Doctors won’t treat you for infertility until at least a year. Most people should get pregnant within a few months. As someone who has infertility I kind of find it inappropriate to criticize anyone who’s infertile and their choices. Because it’s extremely distressing and traumatic. I’ve been TTC for over ten years. I’ve been through the cycle of grief constantly. From anger to sadness to acceptance and all over again. It was a emotional roller coaster. And it’s made worse that we live in a world where people pry and think they know what’s best about your reproductive health, unless you’ve been there you just wouldn’t get it. It’s not uncommon for the doctors to do multiples because it’s likely that most will fail and not work. And you’re paying cash. That’s the hardest part I experienced is infertility IS NOT COVERED BY HEALTH INSURANCE. It’s considered cosmetic. Like a unnecessary face lift or tummy tuck. My whole experience has been extremely traumatic and at times the worst moments of my life. After ten + years I’m just now kind of starting to actually accept it.

[@yeetnama9094]

@@FukaiKokoro OK, but your experience is irrelevant to what OP was talking about.

[@BreeOlson9]

Dannnggg I never thought of that!!! Damn… kate Jesus

[@brittmd3103]

As someone who went to school for journalism and think of myself as a great researcher. You have the most comprehensive youtube videos ever. You break down stories so well clear without emotions or opinions. You never repeat a fact over and over again. Your videos move so well and I feel proud of you, even though i don't know you!

[@betheecommentator]

Oh wow really?? Wow thank you so much for such a thoughtful, sweet, and encouraging statement! Thank you so so so much!!! ❤️❤️

[@brittmd3103]

@@betheecommentator Thank you for working so hard on these videos. I'm happy to see you are getting sponsors as well. I'm more than sure by this time next year your subscriptions will triple!

[@dimplesd8931]

Former Journalism student here too and you’re so right. BTC shares facts with a clam demeanor that doesn’t sensationalize. BTC is one of my favorite channels.

[@brittmd3103]

@@dimplesd8931 Yes, she's one of the few youtubers who actually read material and articles before making a video. Also she doesn't put her personal feelings too much into it and just presents facts. Even when she does give feedback she saves it for the end of the video. These videos feel like mini documentaries.

[@AnnSmajstrla]

I have a journalism degree too, and I agree!

[@bailey7792]

Not Kate over here clutching her invisible pearls over being expected to take care of her own kids that she chose to have. She knew they couldn't afford it, she knew they didnt have the resources or space, and she knew they didn't have the time to properly split between 8 kids. Yet decided she knew better, and decided to have them anyways even after being warned MULTIPLE TIMES that it wasn't in her best interest. She is such a walking contradiction its painful lol

[@barbieblues7639]

Seriously! What was that bullshit about being a gunshot victim and bleeding all over?! She's so entitled. And that ugly fucking haircut 😖 he should have been a man and put his foot down after the twins.

[@makeuparis]

Thank Goodness she had them. When a challenge is presented for any born child, you figure it out.

[@annastaciabird9060]

Exactly, Then when asked in the interview. what do you think about people saying that you made the choice to have all these kids she said no when going through IVF you don't know if you will even have kids or not. She missed the whole point. She knew how many she was going to have and decided to keep all of them even though she knew it would be super hard baring all those kids. she did not really think it through in my opinion.

[@nadirimyers6643]

Then got the audacity to be like “ could you look God in the face and tell him.. blah blah blah” I’m Christian and I’d look God dead in his eyes and say hell no lol. Not I 💀 that was very manipulative to me. Your husband is tryin to express the very real problems with this and you don’t wanna listen to no one 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@hellislife13]

r u saying she should have killd 8 baby

[@uhnayduhh]

insane to see how kate was very adamant about not “terminating” any of her babies yet just a few years later she completely abandons collin! also her saying she had a special bond to hannah after giving birth and now hannah has chosen to live with john!

[@Breadfish290]

Kate is the kind of person who wants a baby and not a kid. As always, amazing work Be! I’m so proud of your growth and I was so excited when the sponsorship came up!

[@betheecommentator]

Aww thank you so much ❤️ I’m thankful for your support and feedback!!!

[@AmikLanfranco]

My thoughts exactly! She couldn't accept that babies do not remain babies forever.

[@BluetheRaccoon]

Babies get you positive attention. The way she spat out having felt ignored as the middle child, and fast-tracking her family life goals to get to babies as quick as possible, and then needing more right after the babies weren't infants anymore. My mother was the eldest of 6, and developed this weird mindset with her last three children. She couldn't let go of the sliver of positivity people would radiate at her newborn in public, you'd have thought they were cooking at her instead. Keeping lots of babies means lots of public attention, and landing a TV show must have felt like crack to Kate.

[@Denise_Suzanne]

Most of her daughters go live on TikTok and all they do is praise their mom. I thought they'd be estranged from her, but they really love and adore her.

[@Queenofdacastle]

I said the same thing I have seen ppl before like that 😣🤦🏾‍♀️

[@adelaideemiliem2772]

When Kate talks about having babies in the way people talk about having puppies. She likes them when they’re small and cute, but they lose the charm when they grow up and keep requiring more care.

[@noyesbonne]

There's a bit of a "we love the idea of too many kids" disguising her later statement of not bonding for almost a year with the babies. That sounds problematic. I sympathize a lot with Jon. He seems from most appearances to be the saner of the parents available. Anyone else mildly fascinated by how often she changes her hair? I do this also, my family know to expect rando dos.

[@Molly97614]

I can’t even fathom being 26 with 8 kids. Poor Jon.

[@tavonfenwick-yb5xv]

What do you mean « poor John »???????? These are HIS children

[@Molly97614]

@@tavonfenwick-yb5xv you’re not wrong 😂

[@milkcatdog394]

Oh yah poor John… it’s not like he could have worn protection!

[@Molly97614]

@@milkcatdog394 they used IVF.

[@ttaayylloorrmmtt]

@@milkcatdog394 he couldn’t though because his nazi wife had his balls in a jar

[@mlev1111]

So they were turned down to adopt one child and ended up with 6 when they could barely feed the 2 they had. Awesome. Kate is a narcissist and will always be one. I'm so glad people are finally starting to see Jon isn't as terrible as we all once thought

[@betheecommentator]

Wow that’s an interesting point that you made! Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us

[@merricat3025]

I remember the show was on and people would talk about it. I never watched except when I injured myself and I was stuck at home watching tv. I watched the entire season. I could not stand her. I felt sorry for him. He's far from perfect but living with her would drive anybody bat caca crazy

[@Daddywiseclussy]

They wanted to adopt a baby from Korea. They talked about it in an episode. She said they couldn't because they were too young.

[@betheecommentator]

@@Daddywiseclussy yup and in her book they had another opportunity to adopt. This was after they had the twins and while Kate was working as a nurse. A patient had just delivered a baby. She was a teen mom and was going to put the baby up for adoption. She and Kate bonded and Kate really considered adopting this baby. The baby was biracial and after Jon’s mother disapproved of them adopted a baby of a different race they decided not to go through with it. This was what Kate wrote in her book.

[@theropesofrenovation9352]

SHe's not a narcissist.

[@coll4455]

I can’t help but be moved by the woman who helped Jon and Kate in those early years simply by feeding the babies and give them the comfort that they couldn’t.

[@gaylemc2692]

For an obviously intelligent woman she is certainly oblivious to how offensive she is to others. She makes me cringe.

[@betheecommentator]

It was hard watching these interactions, it was interesting as I read their book which was co-authored by Kate and Jon I noticed she’s the only one narrating the story in the book. He isn’t quoted at all

[@allexisberry7367]

Jon was telling it the whole time tho . “I didn’t want kids “ “ I didn’t want to get married “

[@absolutelyridiculous6743]

It's so weird...he's a very passive individual who allowed himself to be controlled through every step.

[@crwonshe]

She destroyed that young man for her narcissistic needs.

[@brigettereissig5254]

She's a spot on selfish narcissist...just like my mother...she says she was the "forgotten middle child" and "five kids was way too many"...yet she took the risk of having even more than that??? She became the very version of her parents that she resented...sick...I'm still rebuilding my life after all the abuse...so are my 3 sisters...I pray all their now nearly adult kids get the therapy and support they need🙏💜

[@barbieblues7639]

My psychopathic mother used to say the same thing and used it as am excuse to worship my brother while abusing me...that kind of thing is still abusive to him though, kids can tell what real and fake love is instinctively.

[@911dips5]

She is a text book definition of a narcissist

[@laurasutcliffe723]

I can't believe how BOTH Jon and Kate, seemed so blinded by money, that they didn't recognize the fact that they were exploiting their children, horribly. 😡

[@lindaolsen7089]

Agreed. After all the public scandals on these family reality TV shows, there should be some better regulation than there appears to be on protecting children from well-documented exploitation at the hands of parents, even ones who may be well-meaning but so clearly are using their kids for mainly financial purposes to support the family.

[@angietoonz6605]

He did. He wanted to cancel the show many times. He even sued Kate over exposing their children without his permission when he left. It's the main reason for their divorce.

[@hellislife13]

funny he's still talking publicly about them & bringing them on tv interviews still then

[@migoreng7789]

she reminds me sooo much of my abusive father :/ she seems like the type of person who really wanted to have kids but when it comes to parenting... she never wanted to be a parent, she just wanted have control over people 💀 i hope the kids will heal from their childhood, bc there gotta be sooo much we don't know

[@betheecommentator]

Me too, those kids didn’t agree to be show ponies and it’s sad. I hope they have healthy and fulfilling lives.

[@sakaiahreign3365]

Her daughters can’t stand her, I can’t say I blame them 😒

[@alexx5064]

it’s so true! god… those poor children didn’t ask for this. I’m glad genZ is starting to understand how unforgivable it is to use your kids to earn a living

[@brittlebricks10]

It is crazy to revisit this story as an adult. Thanks so much for doing this series!

[@betheecommentator]

You’re welcome! And I completely agree as a kid I saw this so differently. Now, 15 years later I noticed a lot of things I didn’t see then.

[@imapisces0308]

Congratulations on the sponsor!!! The little I got from this Jon was looking for someone to take care of him. He said “she’s very organized”, he also stated that I had no direction. 🤦🏾‍♀️ Also the fact that they knew they couldn’t really take care of two kids why would you want a third? Kate Gossling has never given me good vibes and the more I’m watching this I still feel the same. I never thought Jon was as bad as people made him.

[@betheecommentator]

Thank you so much, it was my first one ☺️ Yes, you made some great points! I said the same thing like I wonder if he was looking for someone to help “guide” him?

[@marbles9176]

He wanted someone to mother him and kate wanted a co-captain for the olympic team that existed in her mind. They both had ridiculous expectations for each other

[@sonyafox3271]

Jon was very wise but, Jon has done okay for himself! Ask Kate about 2 of the kids she ditched and turned her back on because, she felt that they weren’t perfect! Jon has those 2 kids! But, everyone knows that story to, which isn’t being told here!

[@betheecommentator]

@@sonyafox3271 the second part will include that among other things as well

[@pleasedroses3811]

Jon's claim that he had no direction was wrong. He had been working steady jobs and backpacking across Europe before they met. Those sound like impressive goals to me. I think that Kate convinced him that he had had no direction.

[@nickywiedmeier6770]

“Includes paid promotion”!!!??!? What!! Maybe I missed it if you had to is before but I never noticed it-yay!!! Girl, keep climbing!! I love this channel and your videos so much!! Your deep dives are insanely great! The duggars are my favorite this one is amazing too!

[@betheecommentator]

Thank you so so much!! This was my first paid promotion! ☺️ I truly appreciate your support and feedback so so so much!!

[@r.s6187]

I used to watch their show when I was younger. Even back then before the scandal, I always found Kate to be overbearing and thought something was off about their relationship. I remember she used to always cut him off, talk down to him and boss him around. And for his part, Jon seemed absolutely checked out and over Kate. I was only twelve or thirteen at the time so I didn't have much nuance, but I do remember always not being fond of Kate and thinking their relationship seemed strained and loveless.

[@betheecommentator]

I agree I was young as well and to me they came across as two people who couldn’t stand each other even back on the 1st episode.

[@truebluewonderful1139]

Until 10 minutes ago I didn't know who these people are, cause I'm not American. Would you pls tell me what the scandal was?

[@betheecommentator]

@@truebluewonderful1139 part 2 will cover all the scandals that occurred after they began the show. To give you a brief run down, not long after their show started rumors began circulating about their marriage. The media were betting they would not last because of the toxicity and how they treated each other on the show. In April of 2009, Jon was photographed with another woman while his wife Kate was on a book tour. It quickly went downhill from there. Part two will cover all of that, it’s a lot. I hope this snippet helps

[@truebluewonderful1139]

@@betheecommentator Thanks. Very kind of you!

[@mcwarhol17]

Same

[@veri.contrary]

wow. i remember LOVING this show as a kid, and my opinion changing over the years as i watched kate’s behavior got worse as their financial situation seemed to get better. i left the show w a bad taste in my mouth but i didn’t know just how bad it was. i used to think cara & maddy (especially) were brats at the time but i didn’t realize how much their lives were turned upside down without their knowledge or any say in the matter. if i were in their shoes, i would have been P I S S E D. absolutely livid that now there were 6 more screaming babies that took time, finances & attention away from myself + my twin sis, when previously (in the family of just 4), everything was perfect. i feel for all 8 kids, and now that they’re all approaching their 20s(!!) i hope they’re adjusting to normal life ❤

[@brittlebricks10]

Yeah it's so interesting to revisit this as an adult. The poor kids, I really hope that are well and living their own damn lives.

[@jennifer60515]

I felt exactly the same way. Today, I have nothing but sympathy for all 8 of those kids for ending up with those 2 knuckleheads as parents.

[@jennybaby9210]

The fact that these people were only in there mid 20s is beyond me. We do not all have the same 24 hours because here I am at 30 trynna keep me and the cat alive. Wowww them kids aged them

[@KreKre99]

I actually feel bad for John... It's like he didn't have any kind of say in his own marriage. He was the realistic one and she was too busy trying to live out to this fairy tale

[@tiffprendergast]

He cheater

[@darksaint0124]

@tiffprendergast actually everything I've seen about them says that Kate was cheating on Jon with her bodyguard. Jon started seeing other women after they were already separated.

[@nadirimyers6643]

This is a lesson in what you want vs what your family NEEDS

[@lifewithklc]

Yesssss sponsorship, very well deserved! Yeah, within the first few episodes we ALL knew this marriage was troubled. I remember cringing at the way she aggressively talked down to him. At first I chalked it up to postpartum hormones, overwhelmed with kids etc…then as the show went on I was like naaaaaah. I think he knew it also, but felt stuck. Yes, opposites attract, but it CAN be dysfunctional.

[@betheecommentator]

Thank you so much!!! When it first came sour I was so young I didn’t really pay attention to their dynamic, watching it back as an adult wow is all I can say

[@melissabuell6711]

Jon sounds like he's giving a eulogy in the wedding video 😬

[@betheecommentator]

🤣🤣

[@therobotdevil2284]

Right?? So uncomfortable to watch!

[@mwest3191]

Kinda fascinating, as a child she had the awareness that her mother was stretched too thin to give adequate attention to 5 kids, yet went on to have 8. I have zero emotional investment in these people, but their honeymoon videos were unexpectedly kinda sad!

[@betheecommentator]

That is very fascinating

[@angietoonz6605]

to be fair, they didnt expect sextuplets. She clearly wanted 3 kids or maybe 4 in case they had twins again. Which is a 'normal' amount.

[@Ania-cd2sh]

All their documentaries and series ….Jon spoke a total of 50 words and 38 of them were written by her in their wedding vows 😂

[@betheecommentator]

🤣🤣

[@marlenewulf5051]

I got so happy when I heard you have a sponsor. So we’ll deserved!! I’m always amazed by the quality of your content!

[@betheecommentator]

Aww thank you so much!! I’m so glad you found my channel and I really appreciate your support

[@amandastephen4318]

I said the same thing! You got a sponsor girl! Keep up the amazing work 🥳

[@betheecommentator]

@@amandastephen4318 thank you so much ❤️

[@stashiatracy]

The financial aspect of their life is a still a huge question mark for me. I understand needing extra help when you have 8 children under 3. But I don’t understand how the afforded their life beforehand. They were barely married, not making a ton of money, and did a few rounds of really expensive fertility treatments early on. They were 26ish when they had the sextuplets, and that was after doing fertility treatments to have the twins. Then they mentioned their savings depleting when Jon lost his job while she was pregnant with the sextuplets. How did they afford twins, more fertility treatments, & have “savings” still left to deplete while he was jobless?? Family money?? There just seems to be a lot of money available to them early on without explanation?

[@betheecommentator]

You raised some great questions, questions I asked myself. I know IVF treatments are quite expensive. There’s been rumors/speculation that Jon’s father helped them out financially a lot. It has been said that he gave them a check each month to help them financially. Kate was very close to Jon’s father. I also read that he helped them purchase their first home. I wasn’t able to verify these claims but these are some of the things I came across when researching for this topic. I hope this helps?

[@stashiatracy]

@@betheecommentator oh my gosh, yes! Thank you for responding. I wasn’t expecting you to answer, it was just one of those things have noticed about these reality families. They seem to have more resources than they really let on to. You’re amazing, Be!

[@daisyninetyfour565]

Maybe the whole thing was paid for from the start by tlc for the show seems like they had a hand in it from the beginning

[@xToniMichellex]

Does she ever let him speak 😖 he can’t get passed a few words without her cutting him off 😂

[@Melinaa124]

I used to LOVE this show...it was so sad to see them decline. I can't imagine how the kids felt seeing their family struggle emotionally after being so blessed in life.

[@sonyafox3271]

Did you know what she done to Colin and, Hannah?

[@Melinaa124]

@@sonyafox3271 No I haven't. Oh boy. It must be bad.

[@CoCo-yv3hl]

It is definitely possible to tear down a man to the point he doesn’t want to do anything. I think Jon was very clear about who he was & what he wanted. Kate definitely seems to be the type that gets the guy then dumps everything on him & expects him to just deal with it. It’s a reason why she’s the face of Karen.

[@yeetnama9094]

EXACTLY. A total wife from hell. A manipulative abuser who pushed him over the edge by constantly ignoring and flat out obstructing his boundaries. Their entire hellscape chaotic life is because of her ignoring 100% bc of Kate ignoring Jons wishes at every turn.

[@theabsolute_now]

I don't understand why people do this in relationships, I've seen it happen time n time again, male wants to tear down the woman or vise versa

[@carlaamanda86]

I have so much I could say. About Kate. About John. But I HAVE to say two things. One - this video is so well done and amazingly detailed and told. Two - Kate is actually a really good writer. She describes her feelings and actions very well.

[@betheecommentator]

Wow thank you so very much for your feedback and compliments. I really appreciate it ❤️

[@Cheirosa81]

I agree she is articulate.

[@Brenda-fc5th]

It was hard to watch this family tear apart on national tv. It was surprising to hear Jon’s side of the story after the 10 year gag order to keep quiet was over. I think Jon did the best he could to stay with Kate. She just became a monster - we all saw how Kate would berate Jon on national TV 😔

[@foxroxy86]

Watching this with adult eyes is sobering. I could never imagine being a parent to 8 kids in my mid twenties let alone now in my thirties. One word comes to mind, reckless. It’s a bit reckless to put your body through all of that when you have a perfectly healthy family that needs you. I hope they’re both in a better place now.

[@ExceptionalLex]

Definitely shows how selfish she is. She didn't even care that her husband didn't want more kids. Just wore him down till he finally agreed

[@junopierre2988]

You can’t be there emotionally for 8 kids. Everyone I know who came from such big families have issues due to the lack of emotional stability

[@Lemon.Girl14]

Beautiful job as always Be! Sad to see Kate create not just a dysfunctional childhood for her 8 children, but continue the cycle of generational trauma. It’s not fair to anyone, but perhaps at least one of their children will be able to be a catalyst for some much needed healing in their family, it’s never too late.

[@betheecommentator]

Thank you so much ❤️ I agree I found that interesting too that she ultimately repeated a cycle that she grew up in and detested. It reminded me how often we can subconsciously or consciously do that. Repeat generational patterns and such…I agree with you that it’s never too late. It can turn around!!

[@andreid.8568]

Who asks "what day of the weekend it was?" when their spouse says "we met on a weekend"? Kate, girl, you reeked of red flags...

[@PhillAccio]

Seriously!

[@mariaotto6732]

Agree. She seems to be q pain even then... poor Jon

[@valeriereckseen6731]

Kind of wild she absolutely refused to lower the number of babies based on what the lord wanted - but she was infertile to begin with. I know that sounds harsh but it is pure irony IMO

[@CieraMychele]

No it's not harsh it's so true. Technically speaking , "God's plan"was for her to not have children. IVF was already going against "God's plan"... and then one could argue all the hardships she faced during pregnancy was god telling her to reduce the pregnancy but she refused.... the irony and hypocrisy is so blatant

[@yeetnama9094]

and REFUSED to heed to the wishes of her husband as a partner.

[@lindaolsen7089]

@@yeetnama9094 And refused to heed her doctor's advice. It's all about her.

[@dimplesd8931]

I always felt bad for both of them. Kate seems like a woman who doesn’t trust that she’s really lovable, so she marries someone she can control. But children grow up and leave home eventually and that’s what Jon did. As for Jon he needed a partner that built him up because he seemed lost and disconnected. They should’ve gone to therapy as a couple and separately. I’m a Kate married to a Jon and we’ve both had to learn how to allow the other person’s strengths and weaknesses to compliment each other. Thanks for the great video ❤

[@betheecommentator]

Thank you so much for watching and sharing your thoughts and opinions with us. It was also interesting to read how you relate to this video and it reminds us that none of us are perfect at all. But if we self reflect and like you said acknowledge our strengths and weaknesses we can turn things around ❤️

[@sophiapetrillo3008]

How beautifully honest. 💕 When you work hard at love, it pays off.

[@darksaint0124]

I don't feel sorry for Kate at all. She is an abuser. She abused her husband. Abused her children. Made her oldest son her scapegoat when her husband left. Then shipped him off to an institution for years because he didn't want to be filmed. She then was illegally continued to put her children in front of cameras after she no longer had Jon's permission. Then stole from the children who decided to live with their father. There is nothing redeeming about her.

[@Mya.Griffin]

Yeah it’s sad but Jon said at first he didn’t want a divorce and ask Kate to go to therapy but Kate already made up her mind in deciding to divorce him

[@SoCalJellybean]

“How do you afford this?! Eight kids!” Well, apparently you EXPLOIT those eight kids their entire childhood, and the money just rolls in. 🙄

[@amyclare5377]

cant wait for part 2! I was 15 when John & Kate Plus * premiered on TLC so I watched the series for years then the downfall and all the bs in the media about Kate going thru surgeries, devorce etc. It was so so sad. But they were kids when they starting having kids, so once the babies were big, they realized they grew up & apart. Life happens. Tragic it was so public

[@betheecommentator]

Thank you so much for watching ❤️

[@Lexxy2234]

PART 2!!!!

[@sonyafox3271]

It was because, of the why Kate carried on! Kate wanted to keep doing the show! The thing was Jon wanted the show to stop, he didn’t want his kids to grow upon tv! Kate wanted the show to get rich! Kate wanted to live like a celebrity, Jon didn’t want that kind of life for his kids! That’s part of the downfall of their marriage! Kate instigated a lot of this stuff and, her team helped backed her up and, get all this stuff done she wanted from Jon! I will not be shocked if there’s a part 3 and 4 and maybe go into 5! Colin and Hannah will be that part 4 or 5!

[@tiffprendergast]

@@sonyafox3271 im surprised he doesn’t miney

[@Bakedbri]

So it sounds like Kate couldn’t manage even with volunteers around all day; yet Jon took care of all 8 after work, while giving Kate a “break?” And Kate begs for the glory.

[@laurenwestendorf2153]

I simply cannot imagine being so "pro-life" that I ruin my life and the life of my spouse and children

[@moniquesouther8692]

She says that Hannah is the first one she was able to bond with. I find that hilarious because Hannah has been living with Jon for a little while now.

[@leeasmr3857]

She got tired of her like John who wouldn’t 😂

[@Nat-lg2ks]

I laughed when she said she picked fights for no reason with Jon because she was so uncomfortable. Seems to me she’s been doing it ever since!

[@Juliskool423]

This is such a sad story, and most of this I never heard before. You can see how happy they were to begin with, and how little decisions here and there that didn’t seem crazy at the time morphed into this giant disaster. I don’t fault Kate at all for wanting to keep all of her babies… but John showed wisdom in not wanting to get involved in the media. She should have listened. I just wonder if they’d have made it through together without that. Great episode, cannot wait for part 2!

[@Maral1234sara]

Totally agree.

[@faithyoung5879]

I live about 45 minutes from where they lived during the height of their popularity, and it was a huge deal around here!

[@cmpvariety1764]

No, I don't even think the TV show is what broke them up I think they were on a downward spiral when they met, then they got married they had the twins and everything just started sliding downhill really quickly and I don't think the TV show had anything to do with it. In my opinion she's controlling and always has been and I figure they probably still would have gotten divorced. Maybe I'm wrong and if I'm wrong I apologize but in my opinion no, the TV show had nothing to do with what happened they were already in the downward spiral when everything started. That is of course my own opinion. I don't live with them I don't know them so maybe I'm wrong but watching the show it kind of seems like they were always tense constantly and sometimes seems they were even tense off camera as well.

[@Juliskool423]

@@cmpvariety1764 I definitely see your perspective for sure!

[@cmpvariety1764]

@@Juliskool423 I don't want to come across as somebody who is criticizing John and Kate for what they did, but in my opinion that just done more damage anyway even though they were damaged to start with their relationship was, but I still think if they hadn't of done what they did if they weren't on TV all the time they still would have not had a long marriage because just the way she treated him. She was awful to him. I mean at one point she even yelled at him for breathing wrong.

[@Nille0212]

The only thing that I can offer grace to Kate about is her issues with infertility. I've had my own infertility journey and unfortunately I wasn't able to become a mom after 2 pregnancies lost late into them. So I can be sympathetic to her on that. But knowing what I've watched and read (because I read books by her too) IDK...it's still hard to sympathize with her or see her side of things objectively. I'll admit. I'm jaded on this one lol. Great video again, BE!!! I'm so amazed at the growth I've seen with each additional upload from you. Keep it up!💗💗💗

[@betheecommentator]

I’m so sorry to hear what you went through regarding your infertility journey I could not even imagine how difficult it is and can be 😞 Thank you so much for your support and encouragement, truly!! Thank you so much!! 💗💗💗

[@Nille0212]

@@betheecommentator thank you. But I have accepted what God allowed and ultimately the way things worked out, I'm glad I didn't have kids. I became disabled at 32. I wouldn't have been able to raise my children myself. It's selfish to have them and put them on someone else's plate when you can't do it yourself. Some days I can't even walk down my hallway by myself. How was I supposed to raise kids? I was in the hospital for 3 yrs and 9 months total between August 2010 and January 2015. No way could I have been an active parent when I was fighting just to be able to see the next day. So I'm ok with it. I have plenty of loaner kids. And the great thing is I return them when I'm tired instead of having to fight through it lol. And you're always very welcome. I support how I can. And I know liking and commenting helps your channel in the algorithm so I'll always do so.

[@FukaiKokoro]

YES THIS. I’ve been TTC for 10+ years and most fertile people don’t understand the trauma and distress that happens. I went through the cycle of grief the last ten years. It was a emotional roller coaster. I’ve just now started accepting it. I could have gotten treated except I cannot afford 50,000$ + in one lump sum for ivf or other infertility treatments. It’s considered cosmetic. Like a tummy tuck which is insulting. And adoption is extremely corrupt and they’ll deny you if they just don’t personally like you and other petty things. Idk. I probably need therapy. And I am looking into my options with that.

[@ApoloniaJones1976]

This was so well done, but so hard to get through. Kate is just like my mother, and watching her bully Jon is so difficult.

[@Jay_490]

Can’t wait for part 2. This family definitely needed a docu series. You did so amazing creating this. I’m so proud of you. Every series it’s just hits no misses

[@betheecommentator]

Awww thank you so much, I always doubt myself and wonder if y’all will even like my content so it’s very encouraging to hear that you like it ☺️☺️❤️❤️

[@Jay_490]

@@betheecommentator girl I love it don’t doubt yourself everyone loves it. You’re really good at this. Keep going! You’ve been picking the right subjects

[@betheecommentator]

@@Jay_490 aww thank you so much 🙏🏽🙏🏽❤️❤️

[@xToniMichellex]

Does she ever let him speak 😖 he can’t get passed more than a few words without her cutting him off 😂

[@meghan1792]

Jon is no angel, but imo, Kate really did him dirty in that divorce. Especially in the parental alienation department.

[@betheecommentator]

Agree, he’s not innocent or without fault but you’re spot on when it comes to the parental alienation, it for so nasty between them

[@Trixiefire]

I still can't get over the clip of her asking/tell Jon to stop breathing because it bothered her. On camera..

[@betheecommentator]

Omg yes

[@onlysymbols]

You did it again. Never watched this show but the research and breakdown makes me feel like I've been watching this since the beginning. Can't wait for part 2 💯

[@betheecommentator]

Aw thank you so much!! I appreciate your support ❤️❤️

[@negativecreep8066]

I used to watch this show as a child, and even being so young I could see how abusive she was towards him. It was just a matter of time before they broke up.

[@jojomiller1630]

Kate should be arrested for what she did to her son Collin! What a horrible mother to institutionalize this child at the time! When all she had to do was let his father raise and love him since she didn’t want him!

[@equality379]

If the genders were reversed they wouldn't have had so much success on their show because from the first episodes people would say oh he's a controlling partner, he's abusive, but because it's a woman in the time period that it was shown it wasn't billed as that. Just as a woman in control but she's mean and nasty.

[@betheecommentator]

Ooh that’s a good point!

[@scarlettapplejaxsaj1767]

100% agree!

[@looklikewolf9808]

Crazy to me that these people purposely got pregnant when they couldn't even care for their other children and......money, renovations, and donations just go out to them? We as a society can't be bothered to help people who are actually struggling by no fault of their own, yet some psycho decides to pop out six babies without even thinking about the consequences and the whole town comes together to support it.

[@judyheller]

Sometimes people perform good deeds to be seen rather than to do good.

[@Cheirosa81]

It was all performative.

[@eileenbauer4601]

So glad when I saw this topic. I used to watch the show Jon and Kate plus 8, and worried about how difficult it must be for all involved. Yet another thorough, objective and informative documentary. I’m eagerly awaiting part 2!

[@betheecommentator]

Thank you so much for your feedback!! I agree, I’m sure it’s been difficult for everyone. I didn’t realize how much toxicity there was 😬

[@louelaine3680]

They were “trying” for so long. The twins were born right after their first anniversary. Yes a whole 3 months.

[@betheecommentator]

That’s a good point, a few people mentioned that to be deemed “infertile” you have to have been trying for at least one yr?

[@bananafanafoferry6970]

Why would she have more kids after the twins when they were both so unstable? Neither one of them had a good job or owned a home. Ridiculous. They are the original TLC grifters.

[@peachynene3447]

That was what I was thinking cause the twins were barely a year old before they tired for more kids and it like can you at least wait until their like 3 to 5 years before trying for more kids. You haven't even gotten o the toddler and little kid stage with them yet

[@MimiRAM0NE]

The fertility doctor was pretty shady to say, oh it's unlikely multiple follicles can be fertilized.

[@iantempleton313]

She looks unhappy even in their wedding video. She is so cold.

[@Zoot_of_Anthrax]

You know i never realized jon stayed home all day with the twins. Yet when the show aired kate badgered jon nonstop like he had no idea how to change a diaper or take care of a baby

[@betheecommentator]

I got that impression too from how they interacted, she always made it seem like he didn’t know what he was doing.

[@scarlettapplejaxsaj1767]

Super good point! Kate is just…ugh!

[@melaniewieman9020]

It really bothered me that she said she felt like she was a gunshot victim bleeding out and no one noticed. I may be wrong but it felt it was the volunteers caring for her babies that she wanted the attention from. She originally was upset that no one was helping them, then once they got volunteers, they aren't doing enough for her? I had severe PPD and I was also a gun shot victim bleeding out, but with only my husband to help I made sure our baby was cared for over myself. It just rubbed me the wrong way.

[@alienunicorn4178]

Same I don’t have kids but know so many people who had one baby and barely got help if any. They sign up for benefits but it a long waitlist along with the others who also need help so you’re fighting for resources. I know some people who had to give their kids to other family members until they got situated. Some don’t even have helpful family or friends they’re just doing alone the best they can

[@canmima6529]

I can't even imagine raising 8 children. Sports, activities, family trips, babysitting, husband wife time, children's birthday parties, simply going to a movie, etc... Wow!

[@betheecommentator]

I know right, I couldn’t even imagine 😬😬

[@SleeperInTravel]

Wow, you are becoming my new favorite channel. Your research is fantastic, you have a soothing voice, and you really approach these topics from all sides. I love it. I'm so glad the algorithm brought me here.

[@Itsclarkew7]

Even listening to Kate describe her pregnancy and delivery she was all planned and production. It feels like Jon was dragged along the journey. Kate clearly has a narcissistic and obsessive personality.

[@BrittanyHunter-f6w]

Kates upbringing explains her narcissism…emotional neglect, strict, rigid rules, poverty, a large family with not much attention. My mother ironically had a similar upbringing, and is very type-a, controlling, manipulative, self-serving, etc.

[@sarahschroeder4739]

Can relate. My mom was also a middle child of 5. However my mom didn't come from a poor family.

[@ExceptionalLex]

You could see it in her face as he was reading his vows that she wasn't in love with him. Jon didn't seem sincere as he was reading, either.

[@tashibalampkin8555]

52:50 You did that ending. Like seriously well done. The tone your voice, the somber music, the bites of news clips just leaves the audience with a melancholy feeling.

[@betheecommentator]

Awww thank you so much! Thank you for watching the video, commenting, engaging, and providing your feedback!! Thank you 🙏🏽 ❤️❤️

[@melinehhacopians1184]

Awesome part 1!!! 👏 fabulous work Bee as usual! Thanks so much for your hard work!

[@betheecommentator]

Thank you so much ❤️❤️ I really appreciate you!! Have a great rest of your day!!

[@melinehhacopians1184]

@@betheecommentator ill have a Manhattan in manahattan in your honor 🎖 😀😘

[@betheecommentator]

@@melinehhacopians1184 😘😘 enjoy!!!

[@elirodri835]

I know Kate isn’t the best person. But it still makes me sad to see their story from meeting to their engagement and how young they looked and how they ended up :(

[@betheecommentator]

They looked like such a cute, happy couple in the beginning. Sad to see how it all unfolded especially so publicly

[@tinawindham6958]

My oldest daughter has poly cystic ovarian disease …she has three beautiful lil girls. Hats off to the handsome husband. You two did great✌️. John and Kate were so cute when they were young and in love. Kate was very affectionate to him. It’s sad when you see the family fall apart. The children are just lovely.

[@lissaC.W.]

Yeah, I have PCOS as well and I have friends who have it too. We all have kids. Yeah I did have one miscarriage before I had my daughter. But I was fortunate enough to get pregnant about three months after my miscarriage. And I only did I have PCOS I also had multiple surgeries from ages 10 to my late 20’s. I’ve had number of cysts in fibroid tumors remove.. I even had 9 pound tumor behind my uterus and I had a myomectomy as well. I was still able to get pregnant and have a kid she makes it sound like PCOS is absolutely impossible and they didn’t even wait to try for a while. They went to get help ASAP. It was like she needed a baby now now now instead of trying a few things to help improve her fertility. For example, I stuck to a very anti-inflammatory diet. And that help regulate my period and I also have a bad case of PCOS as well. I did get pregnant after a few years. I don’t know the exact timeline, but it didn’t seem like they even waited a year.

[@elizabethpeck9042]

Girl, I’m so happy for you! As soon as you started talking about the sponsorship, I started dancing!! You deserve it! Every video you’ve put out, you’ve put so much hard work and it shows! Keep up the incredible work!! From one girl to another, I’m proud of you!! 💜💜

[@betheecommentator]

Awww THANK YOU!! Your support and comment is so motivating!!! I appreciate you ❤️❤️ have an AWESOME DAY!!

[@elizabethpeck9042]

@@betheecommentator You’re welcome sweet girl!! 💜💜

[@yourbeyoutiful]

You create such detailed and amazing deep dives that are without a doubt the best on this platform. You deserve way more subscribers. Congrats on the sponsor!!

[@betheecommentator]

Aww thank you!!! ☺️

[@tanyabumpess7848]

This was so detailed and always on point! Happy to see you gaining sponsors. Congrats 🥳🥳🥳

[@betheecommentator]

Thank you so much!!!!

[@ess9744]

I never realized how young they were when they had all these kids, they just seemed so much older than what they were. And it was probably bc they were so stressed out with the kids, each other, money, etc

[@betheecommentator]

Me too I didn’t realize they were so young either until I did this video. When I was younger and watched the show they seemed so much older to me too

[@ess9744]

@@betheecommentator Her haircut did her no justice. I imagine she had it cut bc it would take less time to do or maybe the kids were tugging at her hair, but the haircut specifically aged Kate. And John’s balding….well I don’t have to explain that lol

[@muymal1111]

I watched this show when I was young. Seeing it now as an adult, I feel so sorry for Jon. He was probably very resentful of the whole situation since he was content in the early part of their marriage with the twins.

[@theresamaynard5866]

I remember watching this show from day one. But I knew the end was near one year of their Christmas shopping when they took the kids to shop for each other. She was telling him to do one thing then would yell at him (in front of everyone) at how he wasn’t doing what she told him to do. I felt so bad for him at that point.

[@angietoonz6605]

He would be doing such valid things and she'd be mad that he wasn't doing exactly what she wanted him to. Like when i think Joel had to go to the bathroom and he took all 3 boys so they could go, she got mad that he 'disappeared' and didnt take the girls....as if he can have all 6 kids in the bathroom? Or in your example, he was distracting the kids so she could check out the presents and not have them spoiled. I always loved the episodes where you saw Jon having FUN with the kids when Kate was gone or on their little single days with the one on one moments. It's rare I saw Kate playing and having fun with the kids.

[@tiffprendergast]

@@angietoonz6605 ew no

[@wayNAY87]

Once again, you are so gifted at what you do. Congrats on the sponsor and I look forward to part 2.

[@betheecommentator]

Thank you so much!! ❤️❤️

[@sonnyb9622]

seriously, what the f was the rush? they should have enjoyed each other before even thinkin about having children, theyr were both so young! time is so precious and they didnt give themselves much time to just exist as husband and wife!

[@betheecommentator]

Omg that’s exactly what I thought when she put it in perspective. She said they had just celebrated their first year anniversary when they had the twins then a few years later 6 more. On top of unemployment that is a lot

[@sagisunshine9376]

Wow. Can’t wait for part 2. This was so well done (new to your channel). My mom & i would have this show on in the background all the time. So insightful to see how they grew up & where they started vs how we saw them everyday on the show. Gonna go binge your other deep dives now!

[@betheecommentator]

Welcome to my channel, I’m so glad you found it! Also, thank you for your feedback. It means a lot!! I’m glad you enjoyed the video

[@JS-go8vt]

Thank you for creating and posting this. I must say I now have more compassion for them and I have gained a deeper understanding of all they were up against also their honoring their personal beliefs in having all of these babies. Thank you again♥️

[@betheecommentator]

You’re welcome! Regardless of how people feel about Jon and Kate there’s no question that they went through a lot! And in such a short amount time too

[@yeetnama9094]

Nothing in the Bible condones IVF. The Bible specifically condemns pushy obstinate stubborn reckless argumentative disrespectful wives like her. The fact that this Queen Of Karens hides behind religion is just ridiculous

[@jojowynne233]

I know they didn’t plan on 6 kids but going through IVF, multiple births are a risk, and this woman is far from grateful for having the babies she wanted. People have donated, volunteered and a TV show remodelled their home to accommodate their large family and I’ve not heard one ounce of gratitude from Kate. Just whinging and complaining about the job that was done on the house, the volunteers having to stick to her regimental schedule. Her poor husband working and bringing in an income and still trying to participate in bathing the kids etc, good on him. He seems more reasonable than her. I’m sure she was happy for the TV show because she gets paid to stay at home and look after her kids. As an Aussie looking in on this, she does not deserve it. Kate seems to be very self centred. Expects everyone to help her because she had 6 babies. What about single mum’s that do it tough?Why is she so self entitled? I don’t know what it is about her Be that I dislike so much. I think it’s her ingratitude and arrogance. Thanks Be for another great episode ❤️

[@betheecommentator]

I think you’re spot on. She herself has said that she can be very difficult. After researching for this topic, Kate appears to be someone who is very hard to please.

[@GM-jv9jz]

You can see from the start before they even wed she had the need for attention in front of a camera. She also showed early on her manipulating and controlling nature. Those should have been a HUGE red flag to him.

[@alicezta12]

I love the way you drop videos that are everything I didn’t know I needed. I’m STILL thinking about your Kris Jenner series.

[@betheecommentator]

Oh wow really? That is so sweet, I enjoyed that series as well! I hope you like this one and I really appreciate your support

[@nikkiwooden7876]

I have a hard time believing that Kate has PCOS. Not that everyone has all the visible symptoms, but she has very thick hair, no acne, no belly fat, doesn't even seem like her weight fluctuates, and she's still thin well into her 40s, which can be a struggle without PCOS. The McCoy septuplets were still getting a lot of attention at the time, and I suspect Kate was hoping for multiples. She seems to live for attention, and even if she "only" conceived 3 or 4, that would be extraordinary enough to make her a local celebrity.

[@angietoonz6605]

She got stomach surgery after the pregnancy and eats very healthy. She is strict with the kids food. And she does wear makeup so how do you know if she has acne? I guarantee she gets treatments considering she often got her teeth whitened and hair done.

[@springrain9438]

Can't wait for part 2! This is the first of your videos I have watched and gotta say you do amazing work. This is one of the best quality docs out there. Looking forward to more!

[@betheecommentator]

Wow thank you so much for your compliments, it is so motivating ☺️

[@YinzerTracy]

Why was she so horrified about meeting him at a picnic? 😂 And it looks like she was interrupting him from day one. I’m surprised she didn’t correct him during the vows.

[@montyollie]

I have to admit, I fall squarely on the side of you got yourself into this mess, good luck getting out of it. Then I remember the little kids didn't ask to be brought into this world this way and "Truman Showed" for the rest of their lives to put food on the table. I have always felt for the kids, never for Kate. Some for Jon, as he was so obviously bullied. I think people who sign up for fertility treatments should be forced to sign off on "selective reduction" which would reduce the incidents of (pardon my use of this phrase, but it makes me laugh and laugh) "f#ckeduplets" as it's too much and not natural at all. Not good for the babies as they are born too early with too many medical issues... not good for the mom... not good for society who wind up making circus/TLC freak shows of the kids. If they were really religious, they would have realized god gave them zero children... they were the ones who messed with god's plan. I will never understand religious reasoning when it comes to issues of infertility.

[@betheecommentator]

You know something that stood out to me, when they found out they were expecting 7 babies and were offered selective reduction. Kate immediately refused but Jon was on the fence. It was interesting to hear how Kate used religion and almost guilt tripped him into the decision to keep all seven babies. I’m not saying they should’ve reduced, I simply noted how to me if felt like spiritual manipulation to coerce him into agreeing with her. I don’t know why that stood out to me, but it felt wrong, in my opinion. I agree with you, TLC turned those babies, those innocent babies into cash cows.

[@montyollie]

@@betheecommentator All the TLC families with multiple children always talk about how god provided and miracles showed up when they needed them too. (Loved your footage about Kate needing paper towels and them "suddenly" appearing). BTW I was raised in a cult like form of catholicism and my mom was the same way. Always made us pray for things rather than try to acquire them through normal channels. Anyhow, what I was going to say was these families are full of the "feel good stories" where "god provided". There are thousands if not millions of stories where god didn't provide. Irish potato famine, any country where childhood diseases and poverty kill off youngsters. Even in today's generation when families with too many children can't support them, and so they turn to school lunch programs or community fridges or food banks. It's rampant. It's so wrong to imply that god provides. He doesn't provide more often than he does. So it seems to me.

[@moustik31]

Christians are raised being told biblical stories about God performing the miracle of giving sons (not daughters bec. ofc.) to sterile women: - he gave Saraï, wife of Abraham, a son despite her being past child bearing age - said son, Isaac, also had to pray for God to grant children to his infertile wife Rebecca - Rachel, Jacob's favorite wife, also had troubled conceiving and God answered with 2 sons - God also gave Anna a son: Samuel the prophet during King Saul and King David's reign, after she went to a sanctuary and begged to be made a mother - Elisabeth, in the New Testament, was blessed with a son too in answer to her prayers: John the Baptist. So, in modern (evangelical) christian minds, the whole point of marriage is to start a family. Infertility is akin to a curse, that needs to be "overcome" through prayers and efforts. That's why, christian couples are encouraged to go get their "miracle", aka get treatment. NB: Even though, said treatment is a negation of their pro-birth belief, that life starts at conception (instead of breath, according to the bible).

[@montyollie]

@@moustik31 You make some excellent points. But nowhere in the bible did these women do anything other than pray. There is no talk of them seeking out methods of conceiving, etc. No "effort" just prayer.

[@moustik31]

@@montyollie I'm not saying the interpretation is correct, only explaining how some religious people use these stories to justify their choices to use IVF.

[@gossipsquirrel]

Everything is better when Bee uploads !!!

[@betheecommentator]

Thanks so much for your support, I hope you like it

[@TheHomegirlHealer]

I definitely understand the pain of infertility, but this whole situation was/is insane!

[@betheecommentator]

I’m so sorry to hear about what you’ve endured, my heart goes out to you ❤️❤️

[@kellyjean7658]

It really is insane! I feel for those with infertility, but it’s so odd that they tried for MAYBE 3-6 months tops before going in for IVF since they they their twins on their 1 year. Not to say she isn’t infertile, but usually you have to try wayyy longer before doing IVF

[@annelane8646]

@@kellyjean7658 I couldn’t believe it either, they couldn’t have waited more than 3 months bc she says they had their twins right after their first anniversary! So they didn’t even wait any longer than most people when trying to have a baby. What on earth? Why is she talking about the pain of infertility when they didn’t even wait a half a year? I seriously think she just always wants to be dramatic and a victim.

[@Beach_flower]

Thank you for this, you’re EXCELLENT at putting these together and explaining. I could listen to your soothing voice all day!! I love how you approach this from multiple angles, it really gives the full picture. I wanted to speak to the part about Losing the 7th baby. I got pregnant with twins, and one of them stopped at 11 weeks. I didn’t know before the appt where I found out both things at once. So, it’s weird being like I was expecting one baby and I have one baby, yet I’m sad and relieved at the same time about the other baby. It’s just a huge roller coaster of emotions. HOWEVER, I don’t think the children should know or have to care about that until they’re MUCH older. How weird and scary and confusing for little kids to try and understand!

[@betheecommentator]

First, I am so sorry to hear about your loss and I thank you for trusting this space and sharing with us. I also found it a bit odd that the kids knew so much about it. If I’m remembering correctly Kate told one of them that she reminded her of the 7th baby? Also, thank you so much for your feedback regarding my channel. Your compliments mean so much! 🥰🥰❤️❤️