USELESS DEGREE - ORGANIZATIONAL LEADERSHIP [College Cringe ]

[@alicecoppers8980]

I got one too! It’s in the wood stove for fuel.

[@konewayne]

@Marie Scraeyen and sad at the same time...

[@ea1766]

lmao

[@DrWho2008t101]

Funny Stuff!

[@zlatkojerkovic9456]

So what 60k to warm yourself for a full 5 minutes???lol

[@sokoyaadedolapo5321]

@@zlatkojerkovic9456 the joke is on you

[@documento6789]

This is a good career path for the bosses' sons so they can be a qualified leader.

[@lincolnlane6763]

Lol

[@makeblade6595]

Most of the greatest leaders worked their way up from the very bottom, that should be an important factor for becoming a good leader.

[@LAMotorcyclist]

I thought that was the MBA

[@fangtooth4471]

Apparently they just pay millions for a Harvard/ Stanford brown etc. degree without being qualified.

[@Tomas-ce8go]

@@fangtooth4471 completely agree

[@Mr.Coffee576]

You could get a degree in Robotics with that money, and that would be 100 times more valuable.

[@JoshuaFluke1]

yes

[@menOFac]

but it would require effort, wouldnt it?

And you would probably still get a couple of course about the nonsense they're talking about.

[@Mr.Coffee576]

@ most probably you will end up with a robotics project that you will be in charge of, so there's a course on leadership right there.

[@Mr.Coffee576]

@Erik Welch "Path of least resistance earns you the least gains in life." That sounds like something that should be on a t-shirt.

[@MaiteDNova]

The issue is that they don’t hire receptionists without a bachelor’s. The problem started long ago...

[@TrangLe-dp8jf]

You mean Bachelor degree in Communication and then you can become a receptionist?

[@MaiteDNova]

@@TrangLe-dp8jf worse.... Go get a bachelor's degree or loose your job (receptionist). Other applicants have a degree.

[@MaiteDNova]

@@TrangLe-dp8jf any degree as it's a bachelor's. I just took a business one.

[@Nerobyrne]

and then this garbage costs like 60k a year. That's a system set up to fail if I've ever seen one.

[@harm991]

@@MaiteDNova Nobody told you it is because of looks. Receptionists get hired if they're young & hot. Feminist's above 40 are just angry at nature because they choose to learn zero skills, and didn't realise they had massive amounts of unearned power in their 20's.

[@celenayancy6185]

Lol these ads remind me of most of my college essays, a whole lot of words that actually say nothing.

[@MiamiPush2theLimit]

Lol

[@MDobri-sy1ce]

I heard this saying before “ School teaches you to be a good employee not a leader.”

[@MrKillswitch88]

These days all they really teach is to be woke and be a good little communist while saddling people with mountains of debt that ultimately force people into low wage jobs. The whole system is cancer outside perhaps the trade schools.

[@PflanzenChirurg]

School does teach you imitation

[@MDobri-sy1ce]

@@PflanzenChirurg Yes but sucks for creativity.

[@notyou2353]

It's the entire business model of a school since its inception. Be a good factory worker, move around when the bell rings, show up at a certain time, leave at a certain time, etc.

[@alcoyot]

That is true. I do know for sure that, not everyone, no most people can be leaders. And I mean genetically. So I guess it would be appropriate for most of the population.

[@saintshaggy1372]

Leadership skills by themselves dont hold much meaning. You develop competency in a skill first and then you start to learn to lead people in that skillset to perform even greater tasks collaboratively

[@sumithhh9379]

Amazing lines. I read it 10 times so that it get settle down in my brain.

[@evans6776]

same, gotta make it stick.

[@aphroditesaphrodisiac3272]

Exactly what Elon Musk said

[@beldiman5870]

In practice, leadership means being able to fire people without fear of any consequences.

[@johnstamos5948]

So many people expect to be leaders, yet all they do is follow orders and tell others to follow orders. Real leaders start with leading themselves

[@scriptkeeper8243]

The harder they advertise a degree program, the more worthless it is.

[@loder8592]

So true, good things advertise themselves without having to shout it from the roofs

[@NorthwestMariner]

Not me being a Project Manager at Starbucks making 129,000 a year with this degree lol

[@c130aviator]

Finally someone that knows how to leverage a degree like this. I have a Masters and make 170K as a project manager with Philips Heathcare. I sent my son to this degree because I can teach him how to leverage it. You can have an engineering degree and if you dont know how to work and leverage your skills you will be in the same shoes. The guy making youtube videos for a living isnt exactly impressive. Those who teach cant do, those who cant do, youtube.

[@SL-lz9jr]

​​@@c130aviator the reality is most people being targeted with these kinds of ads are precisely the fools who don't know how to leverage anything. This kind of program reminds me of all the expensive vocational or community college courses that don't directly correlate to a job. Mind you, I got a bachelor's in social work. I'm not one to talk. Social workers in some states are in poverty. I don't actually work in social work but that's not the point. A lot of these programs are super misleading and don't provide much job search support and don't actually have the success rates they misleading want their students to think they'll get. Obviously any clever person can leverage anything to get ahead but the people who need it most aren't going to get it from simply getting a degree. You can get any degree, certificate, license or anything and make it work. If anything, what I wish I knew in college was the importance of networking! I went to a top university with a bunch of rich brats. What a missed opportunity! Networking has opened more doors for me than anything else. It just took me in my 30s to figure out and now I finally feel like I'm making some progress. I work in operations and have developed a lot of skills. Job training is a lot more valuable than school learning.

[@kacysmith4060]

Yeah this guy sounds very disillusioned….for an emerging professional who is moving in to senior leadership would you suggest Organizational Management, Project Management, or Business Administration for a degree choice?

[@wojciechradosz4936]

Once I saw company that hired a girl that have degree in “IT leader coordinator” and discarded people with master in Computer Science. When I asked HR they replied that they needed somebody to coordinate IT and not science computers. True story.

[@djnastienate]

Roflmfao

[@llVIU]

I've been in that kind of office. Woman doesn't have a clue but arrogantly gives bad orders. Or just says "idk" 24/7 . I just ignored her until eventually she started making lies about how I called her fat (which she was btw, over 100 kg, not my fault) to get me fired.

[@wojciechradosz4936]

@@llVIU in my case I had to do my job and her job (I was fighting for that position as a form of promotion, but failed). Until I was doing mine and here everyone was clapping how good it is going. When I stopped and only focused on mine job everyone got angry at me. We called such a leaders “expensive proxy yellow sticker board”. They can only forward mails from one team to another until some suckers start doing their jobs. I work somewhere else, and that company is slowly bankrupting. Makes me happy to see some level of justice. Mine problem is that 10 years ago such companies collapsed fast and were rare. Typical example of Darwinism-capitalism at the finest. Now almost ALL companies are like that and that make a huge impact of local economy! For me the whole “west” is just collapsing while China, Arabia or India is growing.

[@llVIU]

@@wojciechradosz4936 "They can only forward mails from one team to another until some suckers start doing their jobs." hit the nail on the head, how nostalgic... I worked in an office where this middle(wo)man would just take my e-mails "ask the client x y z" then she would re-write it in a crappy way (as a person who has no technical knowledge would) then the client responds, then she sends me the quote of the client and I quickly just ended that crap and contacted the client directly. Which, of course, is a big no no, how dare I do that, I'm a caveman who doesn't know anything about muh office politics, I'm uncultured caveman! ouch, sad but true, everyone wants this shitty idiotic office politics, ran by 20 year old kids. Wework, I worked as maintenance electrician, it was so ridiculous... a 10 story building and the building manager was some 25 year old lady with no experience. Rest of the staff were 20-25 year olds guys and girls. All very physically attractive and charismatic. You saw their posters put around with "muh team!" and their description... "I like to travel, music, read books bla bla" and when a problem with the building arrived, they had absolutely no clue about literally ANYTHING. They couldn't tell the difference between one type of screw and the other. I had to go search on the internet for every single thing, items that I need to buy and documentation because they didn't even had that! Imagine the water pumping system or the air ventilation, why doesn't it work in x room? Well my question is who the fuck tested it, no one? Brand new and it doesn't work? Which company installed it, who was the person, where is the documentation, where are the valves and why isn't it wired to the computer (building maintenance system). Kids just shrugged. But hey, you can bring your dogs to the office and drink ALCOHOL!!!. Free BEER!!! I'm not making that up. I didn't want to go anywhere near that place on friday... especially since I was WORKING.

[@yt_nh9347]

@@llVIU organisations are starting to get leaner and cut fat, aka useless middle management. Anyone without technical skills or good bottom line contributions is going to be unemployed real quick. Note the rise in project management tools (jira/confluence) that will really force managerial KPIs.

[@w8455]

A classic diploma in "Let's pay massive amounts of money so we can find buddies to waste money on alcohol with."

[@madam497]

Whoa whoa whoa, hol' up right there. That is 100% correct. Mon-Sunday drink drink drink. lol

[@AssBlasster]

Lol one time, I remember overhearing a freshman conversation where some dude was disappointed that he couldn't drink 4-5 days/week with his new semester class schedule

[@AsadoMao]

I attended college parties without actually studying there. Just gotta join the Facebook groups and show up. Get all the college booze without the college 😁

[@gckbowers411]

@@AsadoMao I've always wondered about why kids who don't need college but want the experience don't just rent an apartment near campus and literally do everything a college student does? You could even walk into lectures to make friends lmao.

[@Nerobyrne]

@@gckbowers411 yeah, nobody is going to keep you out of the lectures. You just won't get the degree, and you can't do assignments.

[@lostseeker88]

My dad was an executive for Citibank and you needed to have a bachelors degree to get above a certain position in the branch, and a masters to make the jump up to the corporate office. They really did not give one hot dam what your degree was in, my dad's second in command's degree was in renaissance literature which has nothing to do with banking and finance they just want you to have that piece of paper.

[@brandywales8200]

It's just classism at this point

[@jessikapiche6097]

i lost a job opportunity because i didn't have the paper. I knew everything since i have been doing her job all the time, but they still hired someone to became my new boss. I quit and before i did, i screw the database so badly, that when they do a quary to get the names, they would get the postal code. i really left with an evil smile...

[@IRedpunk]

Yea it’s beyond ridiculous, instead of looking at skills and qualities, they focus too much on papers which mostly they you were able to repeat what the teacher told you, not necessarily learn and get skills out of it

[@alibaba1550]

That’s why you use wgu or something where you pay a couple of thousand dollars and get a business degree or something. Maybe even the big 3 on degree forum (you won’t learn much but who cares?)

[@lostseeker88]

@@alibaba1550 Lol that's what I'm in the middle of doing right now through WGU. I hate the busy work and slow pace of a regular brick and mortar school so the WGU approach of take the classes as fast as you can pass them works well for me.

[@marcroy992]

I hate degrees like this because they devalue universities as a whole for the general public. For people who put the time and hard work into an actual difficult degree like engineering or pharmaceutics to be shot down by getting the "You only have a bachelors that's nothing, come back to us when you have a Ph.D." from someone not in the field really hurts. STEM is a valuable degree even with only a bachelor's but because of degrees like in this video people start to second guess the trials and tribulations of something like STEM...

[@yt_nh9347]

Any serious engineering company will have many engineers (if not most of their employees) that will give input into the hiring process and demand an engineering degree or equivalent.

[@ketchupjonmustard4514]

universities devalue themselves. They've been doing this for years and years and years. College is a BUSINESS its not in place to help anyone.

[@abeecee]

@@ketchupjonmustard4514 exactly lol. For the hard programs, difficulty of the undergraduate, graduate, and doctoral degrees remains the same, and the cost increases, simultaneous to the degrees losing their esteem in industry because of bullshit nonsense programs like this and over enrollment of the people who do them. I guess population increase is also to blame for this, and there may be some confounding there, but it's a shame regardless

[@yesihavealastname1562]

this is why you major in STEM, but then work in the business field. as strange as it sounds, physics and computer science majors are highly sought out by banks, and engineering majors tend to be great at business consulting. i've literally heard an HR person say that business majors are a dime and dozen! who knew STEM was better for business than an actual business degree?!

[@lucusekali5767]

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[@AvocadoAtrocity]

"Useless Degrees" = PLEASE CONTINUE THIS.

[@andeleon6838]

Yesss we want a useless degrees series

[@tiagoalest6425]

This is the type of degree that Michael Scott would do.

[@AmanBansil]

Hahhahahaha so true

[@topgunpilot2547]

ASS-istant to the Regional Manager :D

[@zeliph]

This is kind of one of the silly ad things that I would see in Grand Theft Auto. I'm surprised this actually happens in real life

[@MDobri-sy1ce]

“An Organizational Leadership Degree will lead to Human Resource Management or Management Consultant.” Would it be better just to get a degree that says, Human Resources Management or Business Management Consulting?

[@aprilmintacpineda2713]

You know that the world is in shit when people have to go to school just to learn how to be a good person, I mean, it's apparently not common sense.

[@BernhardErnst]

Common sense is not actually so common.

[@AdultingShouldntSuck]

The key concept is "servant leadership." The fact that they HAVE to teach that is laughable. It's sad that so many people have toxic bosses which is the main reason people quit jobs--> because most "leadership" styles is self serving for their own promotion to the next level of leadership.

[@errrzarrr]

They've been going to church to learn how to be good for centuries now.

[@thewillof3543]

Thats not it at all

[@heyitsbroski]

I got one of these degrees. LOL I get paid 85k (not bad IMO) and I will work on my MBA next fall. I honestly learned a lot and it was interesting to me. My curriculum looked different than the ones in this video but I do apply knowledge I learned while in school to make me a more effective leader. I was already a supervisor when I decided to do this degree. This was the easiest degree to take before getting into my MBA. I would joke that I make more money than the professors teaching me. LOL Thankfully, my education is free so I cannot complain.

[@brandyhernandez61]

Eh, seems more like negativity on this channel. I wonder who shat in this guy's cereals. 🤣 Judgemental turd.

[@bronsonstrange3827]

I am curious, you say that the knowledge you learned helped make you a better leader. That's good, and that's part of my goal and why I'm looking at this degree. But how much of a competitive edge did it give you in getting a job that focuses on the human element as well as the results? I'm seriously looking at trying to make a career as an executive coach, team Coach, whatever you call it (traveling and doing the 2 or 3 day workshops to boost teamwork and productivity), but I don't know which degree would help me get there the most. I've sent out a few emails to companies that do this kind of work, but while I wait for their response I'm still researching. I would hate to waste my GI Bill on a degree that doesn't get me to this career I'm seeking.

[@Kazi2812]

> I honestly learned a lot and it was interesting to me Oh, cool! > I would joke that I make more money than the professors teaching me. LOL Oh, dear...

[@red32303]

So the degree didn’t get you more income…

[@red32303]

Sounds like you want to get paid to travel and work 10 hours/wk. That can happen… You’ll go to places you don’t like and make $10k/yr

[@shanetheguyman]

So I was someone who earned a degree through this program and here’s a couple things. One, a masters in organizational leadership does not make you a good leader. Second, employers won’t see this degree and push you to the top of the list as an executive. What I would say though is that some of the concepts I have learned in this degree help my career. However, this compliments my real life experience which is the most valuable thing you can gain. Cost wise, it did not cost me 62k and was relatively affordable when I was working full time and attending this program online. I was able to pay for my degree entirely while working. To summarize this degree can compliment your skills in your job but it will not leap frog you to a leadership role. Like any position or promotion you need to earn it and put in the time. I think if you understand that and are able to be flexible and constantly seeking to learn then it isn’t “useless”. Absolutely love your channel and love this video. Thank you for your work!

[@Intel11322]

I agree. I think this is most helpful for someone seeking a promotion in their current career.

[@DavidSharpMSc]

Degrees like this only have value if your company/employer pays for it for you. Plenty of people never learn to be leaders by simply gaining experience, but once your company has identified you as top management/executive material, it can be useful to receive extra education in finance, management, leadership, etc.

[@jesusisGod1434]

I’ve never gotten paid more for having integrity, little did I know it was because I didn’t have a $20,000 piece of paper saying I had integrity is why! Lol thanks for the upload Josh!

[@llVIU]

-miss, I called you in my office because you said white people should drop dead -but I have a degree in ethical leadership, I can't be racist -oh ok my bad

[@princessmarlena1359]

You could print one up, get a gilded piece of paper and a calligraphy set, forge a signature and voila!

[@bjchandler8937]

I'v done a lot of hiring for technical project teams. Except for the higher IT/Security positions, its easier to get hired with a two year tech school deploma. Applicants often attend at night, have fought through a couple jobs and family hardships. They are fighters. You need them. Give me good attitude and training is easy. Sometimes old school clients demand degrees so yeah, degree helps sometimes I guess.

[@josephwolf7552]

They made me take some of these classes for my information technology management degree , the IT classes where all right but the business management was basically Common sense. If you had a customer service job-for a year , you know this material

[@Teku69420]

The shit they say i learned in half a year (5 years is omegalul) and aced that shit because EVERYTHING was abstract bullshit that i thought everybody knows about or if they don't they could prob google it and be just as competent lol.

[@brazenbull636]

Padding out that curriculum to justify the expense, nothing more..

[@SovereignSmurf]

Hey now, it's not useless. The diploma is great for balancing a table with a short leg.

[@somewhereatvinland]

A very expensive one lol

[@ryantsui2802]

But those places charge extra for a frame to make it a reasonable thickness.

[@ignazs.5816]

Just fold it a few times til the table is stable enough.

[@princessmarlena1359]

Or hiding a hole in your wall, created by your roommate who punched it into the drywall in drunken jubilation (damn you, Connie!).

[@patriciaszabo8015]

​@@somewhereatvinlandThen do something with it. You'll act like automation not happening.

[@heyitsyeh]

"We don't know what 'Organizational Leadership' means" LET'S MAKE A DEGREE OUT OF IT

[@publiusvelocitor4668]

Same for "International Relations", and most "[XYZ] Studies" degrees.

[@krosanknight]

Organizational Leadership classes are requirements of almost every business degree. It's theory psychology and practice of leadership and behavior with a little hr thrown in.

[@canadianbird1185]

The reality is that it's those people who started out with normal degrees and with decades(20+ years) of work experience later become presidents, and C suite execs of various companies when they hit their late 40s or early 50s ,usually. Organization leadership is not a degree to get high positions in companies right outta college. Experience is the real game.

[@zel600]

im about to get my BA in this. it’s honestly not for college freshmen. it’s designed for an already working professional. personally, my school offered it as a degree program geared towards older students who are actively working. i also chose an emphasis and minor in communications to hone in on a specific area.

[@acedarknude]

Facts🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@creeper2054]

I'm sorry to hear that. The points that Josh makes in this video are still accurate in your case.

[@zel600]

@@UMaine23 thank you!! and finding any masters level program under 10k is a blessing so i hope you go for it!!

[@creeper2054]

@UMaine23 - I am guessing that you are a recent college graduate that doesn't know squat. Spend some time playing with the big kids in the real world. Then stop back and comment.

[@squigl3z78]

Exactly! This guy doesn’t get who these programs are supposed to be targeted to . I also am finishing up my bachelors and I see tons of value especially when I can apply concepts to the work I already do . My company sees value as well as they are investing in me to go to this program. I hate how he is discounting the degree altogether

[@phaledax3661]

I'm in the Seattle area and the trend here is a bachelor's degree is the new High school diploma. So LOTS of kids go out to get the easiest bachelor's degree possible. The schools here are more than happy to comply with plenty of psychology and other kindergarten-level education, then charge colossal amounts. All for a piece of paper that helps get the entry-level jobs.

[@LeaderRakkasan]

That's nation wide. And now a masters is the new bachelors and the cycle continues.

[@user-crowstar]

Now I just kinda feel like college is filled with people who have no idea where there going in life, But then again i think that's most of us. College kids a little more.

[@PflanzenChirurg]

around 90% dont forget the people that are good in faking knowledge by imitation, but without understanding the things. They are crazy indistinguishable until they run your country and media. Their stupidity will kill us all ^^

[@lamzy3773]

@@PflanzenChirurg NPDs

[@Nerobyrne]

college is great, you learn a lot. But unless they can guarantee you a job, there's no reason it should cost that much. The only reason it's so expensive is because the state just foots whatever bill the college decides to write. If someone hands me a blank check, you bet I can come up with some big numbers.

[@ASTRA1564]

Nope, I'm getting a bachelor's in financing, I know exactly what I'm gonna do and how to do it before I went to college. Work for university and have free school.

[@Nerobyrne]

@@ASTRA1564 well, financing is a complex topic, I don't doubt that that's a degree that's actually valuable.

[@SamWhitlock]

12:30 here's a hint: if a university can't even get an edu domain name, then it's probably a degree mill...

[@n8cj]

"Judson University is a private evangelical Christian liberal arts university in Elgin, Illinois." Yikes

[@NeverTalkToCops1]

@@n8cj So, prayer doesn't work?

[@n8cj]

@@NeverTalkToCops1 Not sure what the relevance of that is here. But no, prayer does not work. You will have the same outcome whether you pray or not. Any feeling to the contrary is merely confirmation bias. And besides, do you really think an all powerful creator is going to change his grand plan because you beg? When you actually think about it, it doesn’t make any sense.

[@PinkBlanketofficial]

@@n8cj I read this comment as - " Judson is neon genesis Evangelion "

[@rickeyhaynes1939]

My Bachelor's is in Organizational Leadership. It actually did open doors that were previously closed. That being said, I didn't really learn much in the coursework that I hadn't already learned in my previous work experience.

[@rodney5269]

Josh's video just devalued your degree. Those doors once opened to you are going to be closed to others now.

[@caboosemusic123]

Dude my parents told me to take something like that too lmao. I told them I just wanted to code. Dropped out, never been better.

[@Mike23158888]

Good for you man !

[@ENGCSHemangVerma]

Made the right call there!

[@VictorRamos-uy2qv]

Leadership, more often than not, manifests itself over years of hands-on experience and measurable reliability. It's one of those things you really can't learn in a classroom setting as you're often only as good of a leader proportionally to the level of respect other employees have for you. That respect is earned in the trenches, where relatability happens. Being "the loudest" extrovert in the room does not automatically command respect either.

[@ThePrimeMinisterOfTheBlock]

It doesn't need to inspire respect if it succeeds in cowing everyone else into silence.

[@mateoevans2833]

Not everyone gets the opportunity to lead a team or an organization. I agree to the fact that you don’t go to school to become a leader, instead you can learn different aspects of leaderships so you can shape yourself into what type of leader you would like to be, when learning different leadership theory and practice.

[@abellyold4859]

​@@ThePrimeMinisterOfTheBlock That is a recipe for pent-up resentment which may one day morph into mutiny.

[@ThePrimeMinisterOfTheBlock]

@@abellyold4859 it won't. The best you can hope for is to fantasize about it. Let's face it, if you had guts, you wouldn't have stayed silent to begin with ..

[@abellyold4859]

@@ThePrimeMinisterOfTheBlock The silence is akin to a calm weather before a violent storm.

[@lukkash]

*Useless degrees* - this is the series which may never end ... there are so many issues to discuss 🙃

[@gangatalishis]

Please do more of these, would also be cool if you could interview people who graduate with said degree and got a job in the related field and those who didn’t.

[@kurbicksan4917]

80% of corporate America has this degree, zero real life skills. Leadership is declining in the corporate world. It amazes me how many people in charge of companies have zero leadership skills, the manufacturing industry has a good amount of lacking leadership skills, they have a MASTER IN BUSINESS THOUGH

[@LaughingManRa]

The bit at 0:35 basically shows who this degree is for--people who want to just stand there while everyone else does all the work.

[@elenasimon1270]

Education is more than a degree. It teaches you how to think CRITICALLY.

[@pedrovelazquez138]

Man. "This is kindergarden" is the best resume of this thing. Greetings from Paraguay. Here, the "optimism" and "smoke selling" is coming as a virus.

[@djjdhfnfndnfjdkwj]

i wouldnt say its useless, the videos ur reacting to are pretty useless but i have my bachelors and ive been taught structure within organizations, how to lead teams, how to use tactics to perform differentiating team goals. but i also have a minor in STEM which assists me with opening organizational leadership related roles within jobs that use are based around science, technology, engendering, and mathematics. Also im expected to make 100k within my next 5 years based on mandatory yearly raises

[@alanalvarez1986]

I think you are missing a bigger point. Yes leadership on its own can’t be learned by a degree, but I looked at the course work and they learn a lot of different fields to get the degree. Which means your natural born and acquired leadership skills will now have a base of knowledge to guide you in the direction you need to go. There are leaders that can get people to follow them, but what good does that do with out the business knowledge?

[@BusterCervicks]

It doesn’t make you become a leader but it showcases and empathizes the competencies needed to BECOME a great leader. It hones understanding and hopefully will better your analytical skills AS A LEADER

[@netdevnick]

Lmao this is great content. Can we get more useless degree videos?

[@cryfier]

like gender studies :D

[@timpemberly9889]

Some programs are SO Woke, that the students leave with SO Much nonsense that they are unemployable!

[@the1anonymouse]

The one guy said people with the leadership degree can make 18k more per year. Which means that you can tack on another 10 YEARS to your student loans before you break even

[@ericmontgomery7339]

I already had a management position when I chose to go back as an adult and finish my degree. I never had any plans to go into leadership, but I loved my job, and people started naturally following my lead. I basically worked my way up on accident. I got my Bachelor of Science in Organizational Management. I still have the same position I had when I graduated in 2016. It's true, the degree can't prepare you to lead other people by itself, but I learned some very useful stuff. I think it depends on the school you go to, as well as your attitude. You have to want to learn and apply your knowledge to better lead your people. If you want to be a good leader, you can never get enough tools. I read constantly and take all the training I can.

[@JNYC-gb1pp]

A lot of people taking these courses are doing them to fulfill work visa requirement. We have people at a company i recently worked for doing random college courses that has nothing to do with their job who are clearly just looking to stay and work in the US

[@michelpetitfrere4594]

Student : how is an organizational leadership degree going to get me a job? Guidance Counselor: Good Question! 😉

[@therearenoshortcuts9868]

its a degree for the Narcissists cashing in on the Narcissist epidemic

[@flukedogwalker3016]

Best managerial school in my opinion is NCO school in the US Army. You'll learn how to cope with the unmotivated, the not so bright, the language impaired, the divas, the ones lacking common sense, the barracks lawyers, and promote the uncommon few who have their shit together. When you can get all these people marching in one direction with few screwups you have exhibited leadership.

[@katness4224]

I feel bad for people who get a degree in history. I know some guys who love history, so that’s what they signed-up for, but don’t know what to do with it since they don’t want to be teachers.

[@PflanzenChirurg]

history is lies piled upon lies. Let them suffer

[@Purplesquigglystripe]

History is useful for writing fiction and entertainment design. But you need extra skills to do those

[@katness4224]

@@Surteronarto god damn dude lol 😆

[@katness4224]

@@Purplesquigglystripe lmao

[@calamorta]

I mean, it's a pretty decent degree. But it doesn't have much market value, so PAYING for it sounds like a horrible idea... Come on. Your currency is strong. Move to Europe and study what you love for a reasonable amount of money. You would also have some sweet life experiences.

[@TheMistyehill]

It’s a great degree to put on top of a trade. I make over 6 figures using my OL degree and pharmacy tech certification.

[@josephlauletta3493]

Do you mind elaborating on how you made this work? I too am a PTCB with Walmart and have a MA in OD. I would like to move into another area of Pharmacology using both educations. Currently I mix up my week working retail pharmacy and teaching CPR/FA for ARC, but not stable enough. Thanks

[@NateBriggs1212]

Josh, You're perspective is mad refreshing. Keep telling it like it is. SUBSCRIBED!

[@picklesnmice9512]

Organizational Leadership is what the ARMY offers for military service members who have served for over 15 years. Majority of enlisted members leave the military with experience that doesnt transfer well in the civilian world. It is suppose to help members who transfer out of service to get a decent job within the corporate world. Unfortunately, companies see this and mainly you will see people with this degree in a small company.

[@sebaastiannn]

I like that we get lofi music on the background

[@progressive1013]

You're right on point bro. I bailed on the corporate world too 10 yrs ago. Got into social work and started a small home business. I have less money in the bank, but are so much happier.

[@UrFaveMF]

I earned a BA in Communications from a good school, and then got exploited and yelled at every day as a customer service agent for about a decade. I learned front-end web development on my own, and now I'm studying data analytics. I wish degrees were more accessable in the USA, and I wish useless degrees were not peddled to impressionable 18 year olds.

[@Lactovacilo939]

I remember being promised a promotion in an old job of mine just to be fired with half of them team after the application we were programing was done. It was like the week after.

[@butcherpete2286]

This degree is literally just being an E5 in the military, but going in debt to do it.

[@LadyDee_09]

Facts

[@thewillof3543]

BS you get TA they pay for your degree and GI Bill after you get youre talking to a retired vet stop lying

[@butcherpete2286]

@@thewillof3543 "yOuRe TaLkInG tO a ReTiReD vEt" Settle down high speed and reread the comment. I said "THIS DEGREE" (in reference to the useless degree featured in the video) is equivalent to being an E5 in the military, except that you'd be paying for the degree. Go ahead and call the VA and see if they can give you your GI bill back, looks like you need more school.

[@ckhound1]

Had an Organizational Leadership class in college and it was by far my most useful class for my Admin degree. We were given no tests, but given papers periodically for things we studied/etc. We had to organize, date, hole punch, and store everything given to us for the whole year. If anything was wrong, and I mean anything (even if the hole punches were off) you had points taken away. You had points taken away for every missed class (barring medical/family issues). On top of that, most of our exercises or assignments were us being given a task, split into teams, and left to figure out how to create whatever we were asked to create. It showed me and others more about the different roles in an organization including who steps up to be a "leader" or who thinks they are a "leader" just because they are louder than everyone else. But, it wasn't really centered around making you a leader. Instead it was geared towards showing that a leader is nothing without a team. And many times, the leader of a task would be the one who may be great at delegating and having a big picture on something, but couldn't actually execute that. So, overall it was a very important and necessary class. I don't know that a degree in it would be useful, but it isn't useless. Instead, id say its somewhere in the "meh"

[@youdidntaskforthisbuthereitis]

That's my hometown school. Glad I never went there. Too bad they can't offer real value to students.

[@youdidntaskforthisbuthereitis]

@Aniket Mohanty They could be great at it, but I don't have that information. I'd have to speak with more students that went there to get their take on it.

[@DRM0087]

2:19 the thing is a lot of good companies pay for their employees to get those degrees or similar so they can promote them, every company is a little different but I can see y professionals go for these degrees to have a leverage.

[@blaisetelfer8499]

Also, why would I go into $60K/yr of debt for the possibility of a promotion? Is the promotion going to increase my salary over $60K?

[@ayameev]

THIS! 👏🏻

[@erichuck6221]

Probably not. Spending 62k to earn 42k.

[@isabel5608]

The price tag for American dreams. You can move to country where Education is cheap or free too.

[@blaisetelfer8499]

@@isabel5608 no, that's not the price tag; getting a degree does not guarantee you a high salary. And hasn't Josh said that a lot of companies disregarded his ME degree because it was from Finland?

[@isabel5608]

@@blaisetelfer8499 if you are seeking knowledge there are many places you can go without having to pay high tuition. But for specific careers there are many variables: going blindly into a degree program without a plan in mind likely isn't a good idea, but if you know what you want to do and what employers are looking for, then it is an investment. It's just reality, we all have to play the same "game"

[@DropBox-jx6yr]

A degree is only as good as the person who wields it. You can still become a commissioned officer in the military or get a good government job with good pay with a “useless” degree. And you’ll be more likely to get a management position at most jobs for having a degree. Only a loser will say otherwise.

[@JennaBomb]

So TRUE! I was in real estate and the owner/agent promised me a promotion and of course a pay increase...fast forward to taking and passing to get my license and NOTHING. I can relate and I'll never fall for that bs promise again.

[@ryantsui2802]

What was even the point of that? If the license meant something to him and makes you more valuable you can now just leave and get better pay elsewhere.

[@JennaBomb]

@@ryantsui2802 power. It's power over me. So he thought.

[@capt19kaiseroll]

I have one. I found many of the classes to be very insightful as I took many leadership classes (obviously) but also other helpful classes such as statistics, data analysis, etc. we researched and wrote about talent selection, performance prediction, psychology, etc. in terms of its value, everyone here seems to be correct. I've been on the job hunt for a year now and am finding it difficult to even get a call back. I feel as though I have many useful skills across a myriad of considerations and competencies but alas, many high paying jobs want specialization. I would say this degree would suit those already in established leadership roles. Aka - you're not leaning toward or on the degree for advancement or opportunity.

[@AxionSmurf]

Great video. My friend shared it with me, and before I watched it, I thought it would be a bastardized version of I/O Psychology, something that's actually useful. In I/O Psychology one would learn the ins and outs of human minds, the success chances of a given organizational structure, and how to create and carry out scientific studies to improve organizational efficiency using best known practices (e.g. valid and reliable data collection instruments) to produce evidence. It sounds like they took out the statistics and science and went the Deepak Chopra route.

[@dk_012]

I have a BA in Organizational Leadership from a University and i agree with this video. Thank god i used the GI BILL 😅

[@conservativemillennial1493]

You making good money?

[@rise_and_reborn4048]

Its a scam. Plan and Simple. They just have some valueable knowledge you can learn on your own, to lure you in. I learned more as Boy Scout and Patrol Leader for about $200-$100 dollars a year. Adults can learn the same by volunteering and helping out in Boy Scout related programs over time. They have leadership training programs for adults also.

[@Erowens98]

This looks like a subject you minor in along side your real degree. That, or a subject that exists solely to provide professors with employment.

[@patrickcarney9177]

I got my MBA in this field for free (paid by employer) and I got to go to France, Morocco & Switzerland for a month. So it was worth it to me existentially, but not much valued by the market.

[@picklerix6162]

I remember passing by a classroom at my college and saw there was nothing but older women in the room. According to a sign next to the door, it was some sort of communications class. I always wondered what sort of profession requires a communications degree and why were there no men or young women in the class?

[@VladInc]

i've had a couple beers, but this is funny as hell, please give me more. i took a bachelor in leadership and now i'm junior head of department. anyway, it's good to learn leadership skills, but it can also come naturally

[@britegrl03]

This is a good degree for moving up in your current job setting. For example, I was/am an exemplary case manager (human service) and taking what I learned with that job and this masters (industrial and organizational psych) degree i was able to learn skills so I could have the piece of paper to be promoted, help develop stream lined training programs and help develop better systems and work flows. This degree was only beneficial because i had 10 years of working experience after my bachelor's degree and it was an added bonus to distinguishing me from someone else going for the same job. If I had gotten my bachelor's degree and gone straight to graduate school for this degree it would have done nothing for me but made me over qualified at an underpaying job. My suggestion to any human service provider even if your end goal isn't to do clinical work just put the work in and get liscensed (RN,LMHC, MSW). This would have saved me education costs and given me a better salary and gotten me promoted to middle level leadership I wanted to begin with. Also licensures make it easier to do your own practices and telehealth businesses.

[@ISpacRx]

Human service? Not Human Resources?

[@michaelthomas5338]

This degree is intended for anyone who is with an organization and are seeking to move into a leadership position. You can tell that by most of the comments who has attended grad school or not. For those who have don't you remember any of the other required courses and capstone and or thesis to graduate.

[@nanohedron]

I took Organizational Behavior. What I remember is that the entire textbook was full of a lot of very accurate insights - really good insights. The problem I saw at that time was that you'd have to have worked in a number of different environments, which I had, to really understand those insights. The good part was that I felt validated in my understanding of my own experiences (...yay...), but I really did not see how anyone who had not had a broad history of work experience could benefit at all from reading the book. So basically, you could study the book enough to recall everything you had read, but you still would not have that emotional attachment to the knowledge that comes from first-hand experience. That sense of importance from having lived what you later read about allows you to apply that knowledge to situations as they happen. Taking the course first, and then entering the workplace afterwards does not seem to me as if it would provide any benefit. If anything, I'm thinking it would cause problems in so far as it would inspire inexperienced 'educated' people to chime in on situations long before they're actually going to influence things in a positive way. This is probably what happens at a lot of work places. Lastly, for those who approach work with a self-interested perspective, there is no amount of experience or book reading that will cause them to become a beneficial addition to any team. My recommendation of work first, then study organizational behavior (or leadership) would not apply to them. Your coworkers and customers make your salary and standard of living possible. They are your friends and family on a level that your literal friends and family are usually not on. So without endorsing stupid office parties - and writing a whole book in the comment section - I'm just going to skip ahead and say that Organizational Behavior/ Leadership / Management etc etc is just about being a dedicated and decent human being in the workplace and then spreading the knowledge and the love - and no, you can't boil that down to "patience, understanding, valuing the other." tyvm

[@jrideaux1632]

It was so true when you said no matter what you do your promotion is up to the people above you. I worked for a company that was new to the area I live in. I was told that a degree wasn’t necessary for advancement. I applied for 4 or 5 different positions within the company only to be told each time (without even getting an interview) that the person who was offered the job miraculously had a 4 year degree in whatever the job was that the company never knew about the whole time that person had been working there (which at this time was 2 to 4 years). This company also is the only place I’ve ever been disciplined for doing my job. I got a verbal warning (as a team lead) for communicating to my forklift driver where to move certain parts… according to a supervisor from another department (David Patrick) who was sitting on a golf cart about 40 feet away from me, I was just talking and wasting time. Then I got written up for looking for parts that had been called in to me, but according to my supervisor I wasn’t getting wrote up for looking for the parts, I was getting wrote up because I didn’t tap the other person who was listening to the same radio calls as me on the shoulder and ask him for help finding the parts…. I mean I could be wrong but in that particular situation it seems to me that the wrong person got a write up…..

[@eberronbruce1328]

There are lots of useless degrees like Organizational Leadership that allow you to be able to ask one really important question. "Do you want fries with that?"

[@jake101390]

Except the problem is these people do on average earn more with these useless degrees. It helps employers filter out obedient worker drones. As long as the government is fronting the schools guaranteed money this will never stop

[@leslieclarkson2291]

@@jake101390 yep, that’s the issue! 🤦‍♂️

[@bengrzybowski7671]

WHAT? CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER ALL THIS MOTIVATIONAL MUSIC.

[@alifirhas3550]

Seeing the thumbnail of this video while half a sleep, I thought it was just a dream it wasn't

[@MuzixMaker]

Being led by twenty somethings with little real world experience. What could go wrong?

[@Yujiroh]

I have a GED and made merch manager at dollar tree after 4 months of being a stocker, and was training to be a store manager after 8 months of that before I quit because the job was garbage. I feel bad for anyone who thinks you need any degree to be a retail manager. All you really need is to bug the shit out of upper management until they give you what you want.

[@AlbatrossWhisper]

Its garbage if you work at Dollar Tree. Not if you work at Walmart making $120k 😂

[@consumerdebtchitchat]

I got one too - from defunct Univ of Phoenix. I'm embarassed like hell. Thank God loan forgiveness took care of it - 16 years later (2022).

[@falklan]

I took a organization management and operations class when I was in the USAF. It was a two week class in Germany near Frankfurt. You'll never guess what the actual class was about...

[@falklan]

Since this has actually been read, I'll divulge the topic of said class. This class covered the propulsion system of a C-130 fixed wing aircraft...

[@arphaksad01]

@@falklan sweet, learned engineering

[@ryanchurchill5081]

I learned that for my job in the military kc-130 electrician

[@CoachKerry2024]

I absolutely love these vids. When I was in University considering studying “Organizationsl Development” (yes that language was kicking around in the 90’s) I suspected it was bullshit. Then my career progressed and I hired dozens and dozens of employees as a manager over a period of 20+ yrs. Joshua you are bang on. HR managers have zero practical skills other than hiring their friends to teach “Leadership”. I could go on and on about the BS we had to do. You know, team building with frisbees in the middle of a field meanwhile work is piling up. I weep for the next generation. When will the insanity end.

[@KathleenMcCormickLCSWMPH]

So right, Josh. They really should be called garbage-in garbage-out degrees.

[@AcceptableBread]

….. lol I’m working on my BS Mathematics with a Minor in Data Science….. so glad I switched out of business! Thanks partly to Josh!

[@samanthahicks3333]

I am about to start classes today and I'm now extremely discouraged. I have one of the lowest jobs at Lowes, but I think back to the way I was treated when I first started working (like shit) I really had hoped this degree would give me some insight into why nothing was done for my particular situation. I had also hoped it would give me the skills to be more than What I am. I guess the only upside is Lowes is paying for 100% of this degree

[@sami06899]

How have your classes been? I'm about to take my course in Jan 2024. I'm doing the OL BA to get a short-cut into the MBA program at my university. Don't be discouraged having a BA in general helps employment wise regardless, and then you can also continue your education by getting into a Master's program. Granted some programs might require prep modules.

[@samanthahicks3333]

@Samii Vela I actually decided to go back and start with a prep program, and when I'm finished there, my program will keep advancing. I realized I wanted to start from the beginning instead of jumping straight into something I wasn't sure I could fully commit to. So far, I'm doing really well. Only time will tell. Thank you for asking and commenting.

[@michaelbindner9883]

This major started as Doctor of Management degrees for people who were already CEOs. It was a vanity degree for people with too much money and time. Because University of Phoenix made money doing this, other online schools got into the act and, after making the investment in starting a program, offered it to undergrads. At least with Poli-Sci you learn something and often get into MPA or JD programs. I suspect that the number of people with Doctors of Management degrees are now trying to do something with them by teaching these programs. Look at faculty degrees and see if that is the case.

[@MageRanger]

So that's where HR people come from. Then they pretend they know how to manage IT professionals while they can barely turn on their computer

[@pugboi8017]

man that’s mean. Hr people at mid-sized companies have their fair share of shit to deal with too.

[@mtownthug]

I've seen people in federal government and the military get these degrees because it checks a box and the 36 credit hour M.A. in Organizational Management is much less taxing than a 72 credit hour degree with a thesis (not glorified research paper) requirement. This has really devalued "advanced" degrees.

[@praz7]

Underwater basket weaving, gender studies, philanthropy, entrepreneurship and many more useless degrees I've come across in recent years.

[@Jasonrm92]

Gender Study degree lmao, that's absolutely hilarious. Imagine people getting into hundreds of thousands dollars of debt just to study Gender.

[@NIN_Mase]

Why would I want to learn about males and females? Learned that when I was like 4!

[@malikdespanie4344]

If you see a woman in college who is in a gender studies class you should probably run because, in most cases, they're already brainwashed by feminazi propaganda and if they aren't tell them to find a more useful class instead.

[@sage4nowty129]

Excellent video Josh!! On target critique!! You don't need a college degree to be a retail manager, it's on-the-job training.

[@techwizpc4484]

Sounds like a shortcut to get a high paying job without gaining the necessary experience through years of work.

[@YiGzit]

It is nothing but a con and the greatest loser will be the employer that actually hires on of these goons

[@TheSkunkyMonk]

@@YiGzit Aww i thought it would of been the silly goon who took the course that lost the most. Times valuable and regurgitating bs is one hell of a waste.

[@sugoinspice9952]

This is my major. I just wanted to finish my baccalaureate in the shortest amount of time and (w family encouragement) I chose this and now I’m stuck. How can I rework this into something useful?

[@williamprice3929]

"I went back to school and got my Masters from Garganzola University of Couch Potatoes in TV Binge Watching, it only cost $75,000."

[@rachelperez4250]

I was so close to looking into this Bachelors degree program at Cal Baptist University. Then I just happened to watch your video and was instantly convinced not to. You just saved me from making a dumb mistake. 💯

[@Masterche18]

Look into the term Auto-Diadact. My self and some other friends have spent a decent amount of time trying to narrow down how to teach any layman to moderately perform in IT (Dev/Ops SRE types). Something we found was that to be good at something you must be an Auto-Diadact. Which is fancy for someone who figured it out through many methods to get what they need done at that moment. These predatory universities are pandering to non auto-diadacts. Anyone can be one but they need to know what it is. Entrepreneurs (successful one) also need to be Auto-Diadacts.

[@kylemcintosh904]

Dude, I’ve got a Sports Science degree! Feel like punching myself in the balls for thinking that was a good idea!

[@Wilkins325]

Take it to med school!

[@UrFaveMF]

Physical therapy?

[@braedondavies9592]

0:23 - Initially, I thought that Josh had made a parody video.

[@slaternapier1640]

That college: we need to make more money that old guy: call it something nice sounding to trick people to pay Organizational Leadership- you can be a hourly manager at Walmart making almost minimum wage