Ben Shapiro Clarifies Gay Marriage Stance | Joe Rogan

I like how joe is so nice, and not mean. He disagrees with Ben, but he doesn’t become nasty.

[@kennymcdonald6356]

He's not nice he's a professional.

[@Greymange]

It's not just a professional thing in my opinion. Joe understands that disagreeing with someone doesn't necessarily mean you need to hate them. I have many friends with whom I disagree on many things, doesn't mean I can't have them as friends or treat them with disdain. Within reason...

[@kennymcdonald6356]

Oh I think they're both great and no I'm not a conservative Republican. Ben Shapiro is a funny guy. I don't stand with him though. Joe's a riot too but I do believe he gets in over his head debating some of his guests.

[@yungjod8906]

Thats because his ego is seperated from his ideas. He can actually have a meaningful discussion disagree and then go get lunch with them. This is why joe is awesome. He lets them lead and plays off it.

[@6213111566]

I swear it's like ben shapiro can reverse the aging process on some people *he practically turns anyone from the left into children in a matter of minutes*

[@swam4362]

Ben Shapiro always looks like hes about to duel someone in yugioh

[@kneelbeforezod2160]

😂😂 spot on

[@cllcccic8270]

that reminds me.. the look the kid gave me when he beat me in yugioh, never played it again

[@samstahlbaum7215]

Ahaha I can see it

[@jorisv207]

Swam whats yugioh?

[@jorisv207]

Some anime bullshit?

[@lizardperson4658]

Joe Rogan tries to get Ben Shapiro to marry him for 20 mins

[@decespugliatorenucleare3780]

fuck you I was training abs yesterday and laughing hurts badly

[@Khidr]

😄😄

[@Apparagus]

I giggled

[@nomorebs3626]

@@decespugliatorenucleare3780 i feel you, same thing happens to me

[@richwinestudios]

😂

[@rr.studios]

"Jamie, pull up a picture of two gay men kissing a bear"

[@MappingEnjoyer]

Jamie, pull up a picture of two gay bears kissing

[@jasfay7219]

I think if they searched that, they'd see a different kinda bear 😂

[@ΒύρωναςΛαδιάς]

@@jasfay7219lmao

[@VanteStyle]

This is like watching one guy who smoked some great weed have a great discussion with a guy on adderal. Fascinating.

[@caleb-gw8oo]

That couldn't be more accurate

[@stanleyyelnats1313]

Brilliant observation!

[@leetledrummerboy]

this literally IS that

[@mikeo.1593]

An astute observation

[@paulmer2738]

lmfao you’re right i just realized ben shapiro always seems like he’s on adderall

[@lindsaygonzales3598]

I love how joe rogan isn’t afraid of conflict but can still be so laid back and respectful

[@ghostthred7002]

Unless it's Steven Crowder

[@xx-ph5ml]

That's what I love about him and his podcast even on disagreements with guests he does not make them uncomfortable instead listens to what they have to say. Out of all the major podcasts on KZbin Joe Rogan might be the most mature out of all of them.

[@stevenweech8888]

@@ghostthred7002 lol yea he really lost his shit with crowder It was over weed tho so he had to be angry

[@dusanbiga4948]

He has a million times said that's the whole point of the podcast.

[@olitomar]

Fighting gave him this edge

[@sdsumiguel5937]

Waitress: What can i get you? Ben Shapiro: From a secular perspective or from a hunger perspective?

[@stephen5601]

SDSUMIGUEL Waitress: from a hunger perspective Ben: Actually, no, from a secular perspective

[@Lopez-my1bo]

@@stephen5601 LMAO

[@michael5147]

do u know the difference and it’s importance?

[@vexboo4250]

@@michael5147

[@michael5147]

@@vexboo4250 If you think what i said was anywhere near smart and not common knowledge then boy do i have news for you

[@MisterFaulkner84]

"BBQ the next day?" was the hardest question Ben has ever had to answer in his career

[@Adjenzo]

Ben talks like he’s trying to max out the word count on his essays

[@patrickzhu9121]

So let's say Hypothetically

[@josephschneider9]

@@gibbonbasher8171 More like he obfuscate the issues to make him sound smart. He constantly engages in fallacies, two of his favorite are False Equivalency and Equivocation Fallacies. He throws in an example of Adultery to justify his opposition to gay rights (False Equivalency Fallacy). He also defines the terms he uses (In his own interpretation), than uses that term to justify his logical argument (Equivocation). And finally, Circular Reasoning, he's basically saying nothing throughout this video to either support or reject the legal claim to gay rights by bring up religious interpretations. He basically says "God is right so who are we to argue it" but humans are also fallible so its unlikely that God's word as written is correct....so where does that leave us???

[@josephschneider9]

@@gibbonbasher8171 More like, the word of god cannot be voiced by man and our worldly desires are a gift from god (Why else would he design us to have them?). As long as it doesn't break the Golden Rule, why would God restrict activities that would makes us happy? Its a human interpretation of God's will, and thus is not god's will.

[@josephschneider9]

@@gibbonbasher8171 That's exactly why Religion should have no place in legal/moral argument. Religion is Faith and therefore it doesn't need to rely on logic or data to form an opinion. It relies on nothing more than the faith of the scripture. Ben Shapiro states that the traditional nuclear family is "better", how so? What proof has he provided beyond what is written in scripture? Morality can come from religion but it shouldn't be anything more than a moral framework to build off of. Data/Science is how we make policy now, not the conservative's faith based policy which relies on scripture from drunk monks.

[@hippiecheezburger5457]

His vocab has nowhere else to go lmao

[@andrewbeard9896]

Imagine talking about different beliefs while still having a productive conversation. Things progress when you don't demonize people.

[@amazeed8532]

I AGREE.

[@amazeed8532]

100%

[@jacquelebob4349]

Big facts

[@11Garrett11]

This show literally shows us how to have these kinds of conversations. It’s called Conflict Hotline. This episode is called Political Differences. Brilliant. m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqKzf5mgpd2iopI

[@DSCris]

@@barbatvs8959 that was.... oddly specific

[@zarreff]

Joe Rogan: "So if a gay man was on DMT..."

[@jazzkatt7083]

😅

[@sentientmlem727]

If a gay man was on DMT would you or would you not feed him elk meat?

[@tehs3raph1m]

@@sentientmlem727 and what if the elk has been cooked to 145° ... That's a.. that's a natural thing that they didn't know about so is that ok?

[@jacobrosenberg9632]

zarreff ... he’d become straight

[@venerablebastard2064]

So if a gay man was on DMT, what hairstyle would be the first to notice?

[@mimiann2372]

Fantastic conversation. So much respect between both of them even though they may disagree. I love how joe always asked questions to try and understand others people reasoning. So refreshing

[@brad3910]

I love that the media puts Ben and Joe in the same group when they are fundamentally different

[@nicholasschweizer2997]

mainstream media is absolute garbage. CNN and Fox news and all others are only there to perpetuate the status quo and keep people mindlessly enraged at the wrong aspects of society while the 1% keep on funneling money to the top.

[@alljello3880]

Joe tries to stay center which is why he’s such a great person to talk to

[@paulcarmi8130]

@@nicholasschweizer2997 it's sad how true that is.....

[@st.jimmy0244]

In a sense, they are in the same group-people who are willing to have a civil conversation even if they disagree. That's becoming increasingly rare these days...

[@jfish032]

I don't love that, but I appreciate that you pointed out these incongruous facts.

[@deepakbisht1327]

Ben Shapiro going from "Facts don't care about your feelings" to "according to the Bible" in 0.0001 seconds

[@fsh_outta_wtr]

He isnt arguing against gay marriage, he's just explaining his feelings on the topic. This isnt a debate dumbass, Joe is just asking questions

[@deepakbisht1327]

@@fsh_outta_wtr His "feelings on the topic" differ from the person he's having a discussion with (Joe) so technically this is a debate you fool. A debate doesn't have to be a "fight", it's two people discussing something they disagree upon!

[@fsh_outta_wtr]

@@deepakbisht1327 No it isnt, this is just a discussion. Nobody is trying to come out on top, nobody is trying to change the mind of the audience. Joe asked why he disagreed with him on the concept of gay marriage, because in legislation Ben isnt against, and so he explained it to him. A debate isnt you just disagreeing with a friend on a topic. If it is for you, your friends must find you insufferable.

[@sharoncohen318]

He's right, because facts don't care about HIS feelings... For some of us though, our feelings are actually based on facts.

[@deepakbisht1327]

@@fsh_outta_wtr Ok then, agree to disagree. Because debating about whether something is a debate or not is probably not worth it. But I think that's how debates should be - A healthy discussion where two people are trying to find what's best for the betterment of all rather than trying to "win" or come out on top.

[@jacobfewell8141]

The thumbnail looks like Ben just told his plan for taking over the world to Joe and Joe’s terrified

[@twanger6857]

holy fuck i spat on my monitor

[@reapz3919]

Haha I fucking died 😂

[@issa1539]

Thank u very much for that. Made my day

[@scarlettrose362]

😂😂😂🤣

[@scarlettrose362]

CHAOSCANDIDATE Are you stupid?

[@clearpudle2016]

I love that they can still laugh even when debating a controversial topic.

[@Colmen391]

i think they are being ironic, from my point of view i think they really don't like each other.

[@rolandocedillo5685]

Trunp 2024 f*ck your feelings!!

[@SchweinerSchinkler]

@@rolandocedillo5685 damn that’s cringe 😂

[@MeatballGreen24]

@@rolandocedillo5685 ?

[@jr8260]

Hardly a controversial topic

[@askmemum]

Joe “it’s pretty clear that people are gay” Rogan

[@TonkaGoldman-xd5iw]

Pillow biters.

[@joedotphp]

I read this the exact moment he said it.

[@dirtydan1116]

@@TonkaGoldman-xd5iw all gay guys are bottoms?

[@sumuqh]

Lmao i was like no-

[@AnotherUsernameGreat]

Ben "there's no commandment not to take your head and shove it in a meat grinder" Shapiro

[@sebastiana8149]

ben shapiro always sounds like he’s doing an impression of himself

[@alexabplanalp4455]

I mean, isn't that technically how we all always sound? Haha

[@Zman9042]

Not in his case 😂

[@bryce2542]

LMAOOO

[@Black_pearl_adrift]

This is the best coment I've ever read oml

[@saker147]

It's so true 😂

[@laurabenitez1936]

You can totally disagree with someone and still treat them with respect and be on good terms. Some people are forgetting this.

[@salvadorsanchez447]

You’re beautiful Laura!!

[@mattyb9601]

It's pretty easy to do when you're not discussing your own rights

[@cryptohood401]

Sadly people’s ego are on the way

[@lauralishes1]

Blame Fox 'News'

[@okcomputer5134]

True But it's sooo hard to stay calm when somebody is so wrong in such basics because of things like religion or tradition And it's even harder if the person is smart enough that he should have figured this out already

[@nipulkradmsinatagras8293]

*The level of professionalism of these gentlemen is so rare these days.*

[@333Vampirewillrule33]

Joe trying to convince Ben to have a threesom for 20 mins -straight-

[@numbo655]

perfect comment

[@apjbrw]

ffs 😂 😂

[@KingOmarcO]

Underrated comment lmao

[@NastoKing]

Nohomo tho

[@sebastianwesterberg288]

Hope Lee That’s a pun

[@echizensoxx]

Ben sounds like he only does the missionary position.

[@dashman8499]

And has only had sex twice haha

[@higg4209]

And he talks the whole time

[@floridaman3241]

And he gives his opinions on same-sex relationships the whole time

[@IvyLeather13]

Definitely has sex through a hole in a sheet

[@Cobreezyy06]

No he sounds like he tried missionary and decided to research a better way to do it

[@CoolGuy-ff9xh]

"Hey ben ,how have you been?" Ben Shapiro:well are you asking from my perspective or in the veiw of the world becuase if you mean from my perspective then right now i would have to say ive been doing alright throughout the past few days

[@benkrapf]

Ben Shapiro's the kind of guy to gish gallop a waitress when she asks him if he wants the sauce on the side.

[@edawg792]

+Novemdecillion Let’s say hypothetically that you put the sauce on the side. And let’s say that while I’m trying to eat my meal, I drop my fork in the sauce. Now at this point, I hypothetically am dealing with a fork that is covered in sauce and a meal on my plate that I have not finished. What is a rational and fair-minded person to do in this situation? Do you really want to put your customers in that kind of situation, Brenda? Then I think you know the answer to that question.

[@confidential1035]

Exactly. It’s how people appear neutral when they are against gay marriage but don’t want anyone to know.

[@Room-wf4eg]

Canada 🇨🇦 Live He feels the same way on lots of other issues though. He doesn’t like weed but he’s pro it’s legalization. I don’t understand why the idea of not wanting to ban everything you don’t like is so hard to understand for some people.

[@harrierr628]

And Joe took 7 seconds to say that while Ben took 4 second to say that.

[@weirdnomad8868]

As a conservative and a gay man I really appreciate Joe Rogan for this

[@Anewday1979]

Absolutely. I fully agree. It’s a breath of fresh air to hear Joe Rogan say exactly what most of us gay men and women have been thinking and trying to say forever.

[@killerwhale333]

As a conservative I would encourage you to conserve the values of Jesus. Having a continual moral foundation to look is life changing.

[@thefak9332]

@@killerwhale333 conservative doesn’t equal religious

[@82Catfish]

i hope they let you at least lick the top of the boot. 🙃

[@LatinLonghorn80]

The discussion here was excellent. Two guys, with opposing opinions, speaking calmly and intellectually w/o cursing, shouting and making disparaging comments about each other. THIS is how it should be done. Kudos to both of them....

[@danieldavis819]

But the comment section is brain dead

[@Tunkert]

Online comment sections are always the complete opposite

[@nevetsdsa1564]

Ben Shapiro is literally arguing that gay people are lesser and aren't worthy of having the same basic civil rights. You should also know Ben Shapiro ridiculed the Lawrence Vs Texas decision a decade after it banned states from making homosexuality illegal. The dude is a depraved lunatic.

[@tristanbarrilleaux5535]

@@nevetsdsa1564 he’s Jewish? That’s his religion? He agrees they should have the same rights politically. Did you even watch the video?

[@nevetsdsa1564]

@@tristanbarrilleaux5535 , no, he argues that government shouldn't be in the business of marriage, which means he opposes the actual decision that made gay marriage a constitutional right. He is being misleading about his position. Also people who have homophobic or racist or any other kind of prejudiced belief because of their religion should find better interpretations. That isn't a good excuse to have irrational prejudices against people.

[@robertbroadley4118]

Joes ability to keep a convo going with varied personalities and keep it civil and interesting is nice.

[@annala2956]

robert broadley Totally agree. He is so good at respectfully discussing divisive topics and standing his ground. He’s good at agreeing to disagree. Even when I don’t agree with Joe, I like him. I’d love to have a beer with him.

[@samuelmorse784]

Yeah you're a twerp. Joe is lucky to be in the room with Ben.

[@rainstand2772]

I adore joe for that reason

[@shawns574]

The point of a debate, or discussing different opinions and ideas is to learn from another perspective. Turning one into a shouting match becomes more like "no, I'm right, you're an idiot!" I've learned a great deal from sitting down and talking to people who have views that differ from my own.

[@GriffinWelch]

@@samuelmorse784 Ben was invited to be Joe's guest. I wouldn't call that "lucky".

[@andrewgreen5892]

Interesting fact: Ben Shapiro is actually voiced by Justin Roiland

[@lean.2366]

Facts don't care about your feelings, Morty!

[@stefanlangenhoven78]

😂😂

[@egerazor]

I can't unsee it

[@SunfishFan68]

MrLolmaster101 stop

[@nolanlynch2430]

Ahh geeezzz.

[@noronahahaha]

“Why would it be bad to eat pigs? Jesus love pigs? Is that it?” Made me laugh

[@ΝικολαοςΣπυριδακης-ε7ν]

Conservative or liberal , the laid back energy that joe has is something all of us should strive for in all debates

[@pepedon1924]

Joe Rogan is a liberal, but also a Patriot and normal person. Woke left hate him tho Fact: Joe and Ben are close friends irl

[@dawndavenport9139]

Its funny , im liberal and our side tends to not tolerate joe . But he has alot of liberal views, and conservatives dont seem tonhate him .. odd .

[@Reibaku]

@@dawndavenport9139 Cancel culture is at the forefront of liberal groups, it is normalized and even the expected behavior inside the circle. Conservative groups are flawed in many, many, many ways, but cancel culture doesn’t seem to me to be as prevalent compared to liberal groups. What is ultimately good from Joe is that he has a very varied point of view in many things, and that’s ok. Most people should try and do that, make their own opinions and think for themselves.

[@user-zm7zl9lc6j]

​@@Reibaku republicans have been using cancel culture since the 90s

[@SuperiorShrek]

Yeah, it's a shame people can't debate like this

[@sockylogic2014]

I like Joe Rogan. He is asking the kinds of questions I would of Ben Shapiro. Tough, but fair and polite. Still disagree with Ben.

[@slamdunker77]

That’s what he is saying. He doesn’t care. But him going to the party of two gay men is supporting a sinful event in his eyes. It’s not that he cares if they bang eachother it’s that he would knowingly be sinning by going to the party.

[@xxxxxxxx8903]

Yeah, Joe did a great job. It's his job to ask the difficult questions. I think Ben also answered well, though obviously some people in the comments still misunderstood.

[@shoomert]

X X Yea, I don’t get how people are confused about Ben’s answers.

[@ryanbarth863]

SHoomerT same. I don’t agree with his beliefs, but I understand what his point is as much as I can being someone who follows no religion.

[@barbatvs8959]

You must be anti-Semitic. Read or reread "The Diary of Anne Frank" and then you can be brought back into the fold, black sheep.

[@zak6721]

Ben Shapiro looks like that kid that reminds the teacher to give homework

[@scottywotty8550]

LOL

[@kurtjappy]

He looks like every nieghbours kid

[@quandaledingle8583]

@Anirudh what????

[@quatro2468]

So true lol

[@kelseybuxton8511]

Sounds like him too

[@ttthaiss]

Joe is great at not pushing too hard when he starts to nail a guest down on a point - he eases up and allows the conversation to flow comfortably. Despite the occasional BS, I am always so impressed by Shapiro's intelligence and sharpness. Nice convo to witness

[@daveyboucher334]

Joe Rogan beautifully asks the tough questions. And Ben answers honestly, he is strong in his faith. I love this debate because it’s two so contrasting views and they have a civil conversation. Great learning

[@johndeoliveira8476]

I didn’t see it as a debate but ok

[@eongaming7559]

@Renn *Ur Dad **_Lesbian_*

[@EmpireTextbooks]

Davey Boucher what Ben Shapiro doesn’t understand is that you shouldn’t impose your religious view on other people regarding making laws

[@eongaming7559]

@@EmpireTextbooks He literally says numerous times that he doesn't take his religious beliefs into account when looking at politics.

[@EmpireTextbooks]

Eon Gaming he might say that but his political beliefs on things such as gay marriage come from his religious beliefs

[@MarillSweatshirt]

Ben Shapiro: "Facts don't care about feelings." Also Ben Shapiro: "From a religious point of view......"

[@DC-ss2jx]

Feelings are different from beliefs. Not hating just clarifying

[@RichPD16]

This sounds like it comes from someone who doesn't have any religious beliefs. If you watch a lot of Been Shapiro speeches, he rarely brings up religion, this conversation it seems unavoidable to bring up religion since he is a heavily religious person. Certain topics such as Abortion, I have never seen Ben use the Torah or the Bible in his arguments, unless someone asking him a question at the end of his talks that brings religion up.

[@theelephantintheroom69]

He said that he doesn't cite religion for his arguements. If you knew him a little better, you'd know this.

[@MarillSweatshirt]

@@theelephantintheroom69 God Doesn't Make Mistakes....

[@RichPD16]

@@theelephantintheroom69 I've watched approximately 10 of his full speech videos which are somewhere from 1.5 to 2 hours long and in any of those videos , i don't recall him citing Exodus, Deuteronomy, Psalms or any part of the Old Testament that would back up any of his political beliefs. Like I said in my past comment, when people have tried to use Scripture to justify their political views or they have heard someone else has and they bring that up to him at the end of his speeches is the only times I have heard him speak on religion. It seems like you know in enough that you should know this, so I don't see your point in the way you replied.

[@victorbergman9169]

Two parts of Ben's brains are fighting his traditionalism and his rationality

[@softb]

@Jason Ullerich yeah, he's a smart guy, but I feel like he's stuck between religion and logic, I was there once

[@RandomDude4268]

The perpetual clash of Fundamentalism and Contextualism

[@victorbergman9169]

@@RandomDude4268 exactly

[@blaue_sophie1317]

Ben Shapiro and logic? A strange concept

[@RatatRatR]

Jordan Peterson does the same thing, too. Expends a great deal of mental energy trying to square ideas with a religious perspective he'd do well to just step outside of.

[@Kaydeep94]

My question is.. why do we care what his stand on gay marriage in the first place? People are going to do what they wanna do . What his stance is shouldn’t matter cause it’s his opinion.

[@LuizSilva-js1dr]

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@ButchersBoys]

Well said

[@AutomaticDuck300]

His stance is basically: God created nature. You can’t deviate from nature. But lots of things are deviations from nature.

[@NotAustinV]

Rogan: “Don’t you think that’s why religious text says not to eat pork?” Shapiro: “I’m not a big fan of naturalistic explanations for religion.” One Minute Later Shapiro: “The red sea split because of a strong eastern wind.”

[@gleep1905]

I caught that too. Ben seems like a great guy but the cherry picking is the problem with any religion. Ben would still be a great guy without religion. He just can't understand why.

[@gleep1905]

@Bad Cattitude Because cherry picking. Also, why is this never brought up: suppose a strong wind (tornado or whatever) parted any sea. How in the hell (that doesn't exist) are people going to walk through that?

[@cleshsesh6155]

@@gleep1905 bro, jesus apparently rose from the dead. Dont be getting all logical on the bible, torah qu'uran or any religious scripture from 1000s of years ago. Take then metaphorically not literally

[@gleep1905]

@@cleshsesh6155 Yes well that is my point. Either everything in these books is metaphorical (thus open to interpretation) or it is not. They circumvent this by cherry picking. And worse still, nobody cherry picks the same things. This alone should be a red flag brighter than an active quasar. If a god exists, he is watching galaxies collide. I doubt it cares much about different coloured primates gathering in a building each week or which of them is sticking whatever into whoever.

[@52NDPRESIDENT]

He said he had a secular point of view to hate gays but there Is no secular point of view lmao

[@abrahamalzoubi6497]

Ben Shapiro is actually a lesbian woman

[@liamearly4883]

Hahahaha gold

[@pbjracing14yearsago49]

Actually gis'd a genderless alien.

[@havanaday9981]

Have you heard his wife is a doctor?

[@legoatjames2277]

Havanaday ok.........

[@MrKit9]

@@havanaday9981 I've known some pretty fucking useless trash Doctors.

[@silentblackhole]

I really respect how Joe can engage with a difficult topic and have some meaningful dialogue out of it. Even though he doesn't agree with a lot of the points raised, he still has a constructive conversation.

[@tookings]

Agree 100%. This is how I have engaged in debate all my life. It's also how I imagined debate should be. Not to win but to learn and grow. Truth is, I'm gay but I find it fascinating how the religious think AND I find it even more interesting how they rationalize and are still accepting of gay people in the modern world. I have no hate for their beliefs. On the contrary, I enjoy learning reasonable, everyday people's reasoning for why they hold them. Most of them don't have any special hate for gays they just don't have a personal experience into that perspective. We all need to appreciate that point.

[@aaw6325]

tookings I feel the same way but from the other perspective lol, honestly the only standpoint on it I have is that sex outside of marriage is a sin, so sure two men or women or whomever having sex is a sin, but so is a man and a woman having sex outside of marriage🤷🏻‍♂️ I donno I think people forget the fact that everyone sins so if ya wanna criticize someone for theirs become perfect first lol

[@stephenbarany3736]

This should be standard, not something to congratulate you, sad world

[@colinnolan2212]

They're not disagreeing here? as far as laws go at least. Ben is just saying that according to his morality to stick to his religious beliefs, he cannot condone the act. Doesn't mean he thinks it's to be shunned, made illegal, or the sort.

[@2WheeledPatinaThomasC]

I have just subscribed because of this.

[@computerblue1271]

This thumbnail goes hard.

[@chadhienz]

Someone find this guy a 19 year-old art major with green hair to debate.

[@bryanf1091]

It's more in his weight-class.

[@mulder938]

Stupid comment man, he does that all the time. Haven't you seen sjw owned compilations

[@ctesociety9552]

@@mulder938 Not sure if you're sarcastic or don't get the comment. Dunking on people only 5 years removed from growing there first pubic hair in a political argument is just as pathetic as if I would go up to a 10 Year Old, dunk on him in a Basketball Match and think I'm some sort of an NBA Superstar.

[@mulder938]

@@ctesociety9552 lol I suppose it would. Grandad used to say this at the table "children should be seen, not heard"

[@pattypaan]

😄😄😄

[@infidelheretic923]

Ben Shapiro sounds like he’d be in a gay marriage if he met the right guy.

[@burgerli193DS]

Did u know his wife’s a doctor? Edit: To all the people who keep trying to correct me and calling me an “idiot”, this reply was supposed to be taken as a joke. Thank you.

[@taylorfajita8260]

Fluffy Bunny nice! 😂

[@mr.anderson1454]

@@burgerli193DS he is beta ass shit

[@chevster23]

Fluffy Bunny bro so many dudes are gay and married to women with kids. I dont think hes gay but that excuse has no ground

[@burgerli193DS]

Chavez Poindexter r/whooooosh

[@Robert-dt3is]

Joe “gay dudes are really good at interior design” Rogan.

[@shivadas7655]

😂 😂

[@ohf3594]

It's not a stereotype if it's always true.

[@sydoh5597]

@@ohf3594 its raw rock hard facts

[@patstaysuckafreeboss8006]

@@ohf3594 It's not 100 percent true so therefore it's a stereotype

[@mrglass3617]

Arnold Eli haha the DMT video is what took me here lol. Joe smokes frog spit lol

[@sayak4253]

I want Joe Rogan to moderate the presidential debate.

[@HughAmbroseGallagher]

why

[@thatoneguy7024]

Ben Shapiro the kinda guy who says vanilla ice cream is too spicy

[@zoobiezaa]

Lmao 😂

[@Chilltime4]

Or mayo is

[@kyleclifton490]

@there's no catchy slogan r/facepalm

[@kaigelewis9782]

It is tho

[@andrewfabriziusjr6173]

If you bite it

[@Sceptical_Mind]

Joe rogan is an absolutely master of communication

[@paco7669]

The Atheist hahahahaha okay dude

[@thehoodrat4423]

Ben isn’t

[@gilbertgarcia2438]

Yeah it's his show. He manipulates it the way he wants. He asks questions in a way that corners shapiro like he's really saying " you really believe in god??? You really believe in miracles???" Because Shapiro's convictions are more towards rules than actually faith he stumbles when answering. I would be like " yup! I believe that moses parted the red sea! I believe in miracles! I believe it all!" And just let it be a discussion of belief and unbelief...which is essentially what it is

[@JerseySlayer]

Yea he's a greatly talker absolutely English language

[@person8641]

@bro momento the incorrect grammar in the original comment is deliberate

[@skorp1o369]

Ben Shapiro destroys Ben Shapiro

[@asherschmidt9820]

The real title is in the comments

[@lights473]

How

[@asherschmidt9820]

Lights473, idk, but ben is just that good, only he knows how

[@skorp1o369]

It’s a joke. Lighten up

[@yoda1919]

Ben Shapiro destroys Shen Bapiro

[@mr.d510]

It really blows my mind when I hear anyone try to spew that 'being gay is a choice' bullshit - which I'm really glad neither of them believe. But as a gay person, I've often found myself having this conversation: Them: Being gay is a choice Me: Oh it is? So basically you're saying you could wake up tomorrow, say I'm gay, and actually change whom you're attracted to? Them: Well no, because I'm straight. Me: You're not answering my question, lol

[@Metro593]

Now of days, it’s hard to distinguish who’s naturally gay or just “gay” to seek attention… Gay has been around since ancient times, it’s biblical. The point is to deny debauchery. Same goes for a straight man indulging in lust.

[@nuknukisdead]

I don't think you understood Ben's point. He basically said being gay is a choice. While being attracted to men is not choice, living as a gay person is a choice. That is no different in practice from saying being gay is a choice. He just worded it in a way that avoids directly saying it.

[@mr.d510]

@@nuknukisdead What a shame - even though politically we don't see eye to eye, I've always had respect for him. Didn't think he was THIS big of a moron

[@Frogman1943]

being gay is a choice. you dont have to live your life based on your impulses. you choose to. how is that bullshit?

[@rainb5987]

​@@nuknukisdead The problem with that logic also applies to straight people. They cannot change their sexual orientation but they can also live a "gay lifestyle".

[@o.c.2470]

“Little Ben did you bring your homework?” -“Do you want my political answer or my religious answer?”

straight to the cognitive dissonance and schizophrenia

[@alexroy909]

@ wtf

@@alexroy909 what?

[@alexroy909]

@ where tf did you see cognitive dissonance and skizophrenia

@@alexroy909 "my political answer or my religious answer" hello?

[@acraze2287]

No one: Ben Shapiro: >:|

[@bandit7447]

Acraze He’s a goofy ass clean lil church boy.

[@rustlerv6549]

@@bandit7447 synagogue*

[@bandit7447]

Rustler V6 yeah, goofy ass clean little church boy is better.

[@wren4077]

underrated ocmment honestly

[@davidramirez6258]

@@wren4077 u wot m8?

[@helpkimberleylehan99]

No one : Absolutely no one : Ben shapiro: I'm Jewish and my wife is a doctor

[@dueunicycle3699]

Haters going to hate

[@joeyvaldez835]

@@zks82mdu3b im jewish and my wife is a doctor

[@Tbig13002]

@@joeyvaldez835 I'm French Black and my wife is a doctor

[@rebeccah.4443]

Wow, this comment is hilarious! You know, it reminds me of a comment that I saw here a week ago. Oh wait, you stole that comment.

[@coolguyrecords3553]

@@dueunicycle3699 the irony here

[@differentman1878]

Kudos to both for respecting to each other

[@anderkaurv5182]

Well, Ben is worthless and shockingly dumb, but sure go off I guess

[@joshuanance]

I’m gay. I married a woman to try to fix myself. And guess what? It didn’t work lol.

[@joshuanance]

Olivia Rogers my pastor told me if i married a woman God would reward my faith by fixing me lol

[@joshuanance]

I’m happy now and living as my authentic self. I also feel closer to God now, not trying to be someone I’m not. Being with a woman felt wrong. Like I was doing something i wasn’t supposed to be doing. But now I am happy.

[@joshuanance]

Olivia Rogers thanks. And FYI, just bought the book 🙃

[@joshuanance]

Olivia Rogers i give you my word. I will.

[@applepie1434]

Because you are week

[@TheFunLuvnCRIMINAL]

Ben "2.5 speed" Shapiro

[@terminalvelocity4858]

Watch this on .75 speed, Ben seems so chill and talks at a typical speed LOL.

[@BloodyRoastBeef]

Haha I totally thought I was accidentally fasting forward! 🤣

[@Painstaking1234]

@@terminalvelocity4858 Haha Joe sounds like he's either stupid drunk or stoned

[@leahballard9255]

Lol. This one was actually worth it

[@hip3553]

Bens the type of guy to say 'pause' in tag when your about to tag him

[@dantemorales2493]

Underrated comment

[@epix4300]

Insults aren't arguments

[@lolli2943]

100% the cries to the teacher when you tag him anyway

[@epix4300]

@@lolli2943 XD

[@dankbortionschlonkenstein2011]

@@epix4300 insults don't care about your opinions

[@CTJM]

Joe Rogan is the kind of guy who can disagree with you on many things but still doesn't make you feel like a horrible person for having differing beliefs. This is the best way to have tough and important conversations.

[@lechanneldemysterieuxmante1807]

He is a notoriously chill dude. Weed, tons of excercise, and he is also really into float tanks, which keep you really mellow.

[@rosebud1958]

I try to roll like Joe with all these challenging situation’s in the world today. It really works to be mellow when talking to people plus I smoke weed also.❤💨💨💨💨💨💨💨💨👋😊

[@JazGalaxy]

I would argue that you’re giving him too much credit. The reason he can be so chill is because he doesn’t ACTALLY care. It doesn’t affect him. But change the subject to weed and watch him fly off the handle.

[@randomcommenterphd893]

Except if you diss MJ

[@ThoughtsOfBonaparte]

What about Steven crowder?

[@jakecongleton7108]

Joe is a great interviewer. He can totally disagree with someone and still have a calm collective conversation. This is how it should be. Just two people sharing ideas learning different point of views from each other. This is why Joe is the number one podcast.

[@chrism8311]

How can you respect someone with views like that...

[@chrism8311]

what would this dude do to gay people/ gay marriage if he was in a position to do something about it?

[@Setb5ko]

I think the problem here is that society has had a horrible understanding of a conversation. Now days you cant even say fat, without having 20 people coming at you mad and insulted.

[@WanderingLibertarian]

@@chrism8311 Shapiro said so himself, he doesn’t care what other people do. It’s just a rule in respective religions that you can’t be gay if you follow that religion. He explicitly said “I’m not trying to convert anyone”

[@chrisakaschulbus4903]

@@chrism8311 "How can you respect someone with views like that..." And his argument would hold the same weight if he said the same thing about you. "How could i respect someone that promotes sinful behaviour?"... this type of thinking is far more dangerous than what his actual beliefs are. And yeah, i totally disagree with everything he says... at least i was able to hear it without someone shouting bigot and other insults...

[@brendonfleming3387]

Wow Joe actually gave Ben Shapiro a good challenging argument this episode, but still came across respectfully, and Ben still kept his cool and didn’t get too defensive. This is how more debates should be performed.

[@iamme6581]

it wasn't a debate. it was a conversation.

[@cryptosiris8231]

Its easy to just play devil's advocate and not really stand on a point. Joe just tossed out a sample of a few contrary perspectives he doesn't even stand on himself. Not a debate at all when its opinions and not facts, Kinda like arguing with a woman.

[@justin343wh]

Brendon Fleming well Joe could totally just choke his ass unconscious there's always that

[@denirobernard9745]

Joe doesn't debate people. That's why his show is so good. It's not too egotistical jackasses trying to argue. It's just people talking in their living room witch mics in front of their face.

[@kennethwalton6]

Ben has never lost his cool.

[@erivera4928]

I also like how he says he doesn’t care what people do, but then he votes and supports crazies who want to take others rights away…

[@guitarchugs9191]

Joe “you’re gonna shtoop this guy and he’s going to shtoop you” Rogan

[@lyndadee4366]

dead xD

[@BebehCookieIcecream]

LMAO

[@natej1026]

It's none of anyone's business what two adults do in a consensual relationship, simple as that. Edit: Some of you missed the point, I said CONSENSUAL, so stop making weird points for your argument. If it's consensual and between adults then it's none of your business.

[@theblazikenbro]

JustJazro besides incest

[@monstaxgangmonbebegang33]

It's in our nature to have thoughts and judgment about what we see so we can talk about what we want and express our opinions about it.

[@DanielClear2]

"simple as that" is so leftist

[@necrotickiss]

TheBlazikenBro BOI I mean technically that’s still none of your business, even if it is disgusting

[@avogaming7129]

That’s pretty much Shapiro’s point. It’s his personal belief, but ultimately he won’t tell you what to do and what does his personal opinion on gay marriage matter to you anyways? At least that’s what I got from it.

[@straightasarainbow5344]

The idea that gay men should marry women for their religion led to my parents unhappy marriage and subsiquent divorce. It's a toxic idea and harms both parties.

[@MrFryer10]

Straight As A Rainbow you don’t have to get married, if you don’t want to be straight and want to get married to the same sex then don’t practice the religion

[@straightasarainbow5344]

@@MrFryer10 when you grow up in a religion, and the alternative to being in it means possible rejection from everyone you know, you can't just leave. That's an illusion people try to hold up. The fact is that religion is buried very deep in a lot of people, and to go against it, even if it can lead to a more happy life, involves rewriting your identity and often losing the people you love.

[@210rebelboy]

@@straightasarainbow5344 sounds like the only thing your dad could've done to be happy is to do what he wanted. If he didn't, that's still on him. I'm not saying society is fair or that it treated him the way it should've. But he picked his family over his identity. He probably wouldn't do any different if he could because he got to have you. Remember to forgive society for being society, no one likes it, but we all deal with it in our way. Just stay positive with your Dad and reflect on the positive memories that resulted from his decision years ago.

[@rocketwaltz6507]

Charming Billy You can get executed for being gay in some countries. It’s more than “rough,” idiot.

[@saint9958]

True.

[@3000A.D]

Why not also follow all the other things they say in the old testament. Not only the gay thing. But wearing two materials . Eating shellfish. Stoning people. Etc. Why just follow the gay thing if the book is the ultimate moral standing for you

[@aureum7479]

Because those are Old Testament laws

[@3000A.D]

@@aureum7479 so is the gay thing

[@capitanpastabase6342]

​@@aureum7479Ben is a jew, he follows the Old Testament

[@elischiff1740]

Considering the fact that Ben considers himself an Orthodox Jew my assumption would be that he, in fact, does not wear two materials (or what we Jews call "Shatnez" which is a garment that contains wool and linen) or eat shellfish. The whole idea with stoning people is a much more complex conversation as to why that has practically never been practiced in jewish history.

[@matthewkelly3896]

Wrongdoing is still sin. God didn't make sin not wrong anymore when Jesus died. He did take away the requirements that told us what we have to do. But sin is still wrong.

[@476429]

Ten thousand comments and I haven't read many actually addressing the relevant points of the conversation. To me, his two main points were: 1. The government should not be in the marriage business at all. Anyone who wants to be married can be married under whatever social or religious conditions they want. The government doesn't have a say in it. 2. Orthodox Judaism has reasons for complementary marriage. If you do not agree with those reasons, you do not have to be an Orthodox Jew. So Ben is perfectly fine with his friend Dave Ruben being married to another man and Dave Ruben is perfectly fine with not being an Orthodox Jew. The only area they would have a debate is if Dave wanted to be married to another man and be an Orthodox Jew. Even then, it would be a religious and theological debate about marriage practices in Orthodox Judaism, not a question of the legality of same-sex marriage.

[@ninja68099]

Lan Krownet dude you made some pretty fuckin big leaps from 5 to 8. You suck at assumptions

[@Khwerz]

@@ninja68099 It's a big leap from going "no marriage for gays" to "The state shouldn't even handle marriages" A laudable thing for the government not to do, what else is he going to say? no taxes? the government should have no knowledge of who are its citizens? completely ridiculous. That's all a government does; gather money, gather data and act on those two prerequisites.

[@annasawicka4096]

Finally someone’s speaking with common sense here; a comment section is almost entirely dumb. Thank you for making good point.

[@Koujoung]

If state governments did not ban gay marriage then the federal government wouldn't have to be involved. Ben's point about the government not being involved in marriage has some issues because marriage isn't purely a personal thing. There's a legal aspect to it. Your spouse becomes your next of kin if something happens to you, there are specific privileges to being a spouse vs. being just a partner. From the state's perspective, they either have to recognize gay marriage or they have to reject it, and that by itself is the state's involvement. The state doesn't need to interfere in whether you're a vegan or you eat meat, because there's no legal element involved there, but there is with marriage.

[@476429]

@@Koujoung I believe Ben is saying the manner in which next of kin, property inheritance, etc. is handled should be unrelated to marriage. People can set those things up in any way they choose. It does not need to be automatically tied to marriage.

[@DaveKarl]

This is what makes Joe Rogan's show so great. You couldn't have a discussion this free and this long anywhere else on TV.

[@janellestewart5625]

Agreed! Imagine, discussing to opposite point of views with the goal to understand one another. I love “Joe Rogan”

[@coolbugfacts1234]

The discussion on TV is already stupid and this is even more brain dead than that

[@davidb5122]

Or this civil

[@idontknowwhattoputhere.3572]

Lol I’ve counted like ten top comments praising joes interviewing skills already. Lol

[@ericwitt4359]

But you used to see tons of shows like that in the 1970s and 1980s with people of different points of views and being civil.

[@conorcorrigan765]

Ben "religious feelings don't care about your facts" Shapiro

[@thedavisdimension]

true

[@thomasfoolery5031]

Reece A We all know Ben Shapiro’s claim to fame is “facts don’t care about your feelings”. So, to see him justify his weird, backwards anti-gay stance on marriage with a book full of logical fallacies is effectively Ben Shapiro taking facts and throwing them out the window. You’re an atheist so I’m sure you would agree that holy books aren’t exactly factual. It’s not that gay marriage is inherently justified by facts, it’s that Ben Shapiro is using feelings to justify limiting freedom. And that, my friend, is ironic and hilarious

[@cameronhughes-williams4480]

As an atheist. Facts can’t tell us anything about morality without employing the naturalistic fallacy

[@declaracionespolemicas]

@@thomasfoolery5031 Agreed, but I still respect that he admits it's just his personal opinion and doesn’t want to impose it on everyone. Everyone has biases, so I don't judge him harshly for it, still funny though.

[@thomasfoolery5031]

C W of course, but i can’t help think his personal reasoning is really dumb. I know shapiro is a smart guy so it’s stunning to me that he can spew out Ted Cruz level talking points like that

[@LegendaryKlone]

love how i got a more better understanding on Jewish views on homosexuality in a 20 min clip of a Joe Rogan podcast than 2 years of learning religion in school 🤣

[@hakaishinkage9899]

Why Ben Shapiro always looking mad asf even when he laughs he looks like he has some crazy shit going through his head. Boy need to chill.

[@Fullyautomagic]

It’s just his eyebrows. You need to chill.

[@jacktenrec8929]

he is reactionary bigoted racist and religious zealot, that is why

[@boahnation9932]

Honestly I believe the way people feel and/or think--Their personality I guess--does affect how they look as they grow up. It kinda makes sense because you hold your body language which includes facial expressions by how you feel and what you think and your muscles must grow in to those suspensions as you grow. To me he looks as though he was always told he was correct - which I think he is alot of the time - and had a very sheltered childhood. That's why I think he always looks smug. Not hating here dudes... Just a theory of somebody who's studied biology at a university level but has never done any sort of research on this particular matter... In fact I think my education didn't even touch on any sort of matter like this. :)

[@ILoveGrilledCheese]

He’s a Republican controlled Android. Sent from the past to spew out propaganda under the guise of pseudo intelligence.

[@stanpines9011]

@@jacktenrec8929 you got any more buzzwords?

[@Blah.747]

Joe is so good at keeping him laughing once in a while to ease the tension

[@santiagoarroyob]

Tension is neutral, if the conversation goes there so be it

[@glowrillaz]

I noticed that too. Ben is so used to debates and people talking over him or dismissing him that he has adapted this state of tension even in lighthearted conversations.

[@mattclark6465]

@@glowrillaz and he is all for it. An argument from joe wont spark anything. Ben will just make points constantly. He debates. This isnt anything new for him to be disagreed with.

[@carlosd8870]

There's hardly any tension.. they're just playing tennis with their thoughts

[@Coffeetime110]

Matt Clark Even though Joe was arguing, Ben agreed with most of view, conceding that he has no reason to shun gay people/marriage besides religious covenants.

[@brentonwithers4508]

The argument that 'it's just my personal religious beliefs and it doesn't affect you' is all well and good but when 80 million evangelicals use that same argument at the same time and then vote as a block against gay rights, well, then it does affect other people. The follow-up to that is, 'even if the majority of our society, which is secular, hold that same belief, do you still think that it should have no effect on the rights of gay people?'

[@stijn4771]

Well said my man

[@damianc669]

That is an amazing fucking point.

[@laylajones1851]

Very good, I agree 100 percent I was thinking the exact same thing.

[@saadidrissi3181]

That's a great point my friend.....

[@nahuelalcaide2027]

He literally says that those "rules" only apply to those who decide to partake in the religion, and that he does no wish to control the life of others through the government

[@conniechoco]

5:27 "a man shall not lie with a man" the part of that verse that hes quoting is actually a mistranslation, the original version reads "a man shall not lie with a boy as he would with a woman" as the verse was condemning pedophilia

[@peterthomson1489]

Ben Shapiro: “I’m not a big fan of naturalistic explanation of religious ideas” Ben Shapiro less than 5 minutes later talking about Moses splitting the Red Sea: “Yeah so there’s a naturalistic explanation for the physical phenomena”

[@jonmacdonald2193]

moses isnt a religious idea, its a story within a religion. They had no clue about tides, its not out of the ordinary

[@illusive1276]

Thats different, he was explaining a physical event naturally. Its not the same as naturally explaining a religious idea/commandment.

[@wolfumz]

@@illusive1276 it's still funny how shapiro picks and chooses when to apply empiricism. Shapiro has no qualms citing research when he thinks it's going to help his argument (ie, people are more likely to think Judaism is true if they think splitting the red sea really happened). But he selectively cordons off scientific naturalism in cases where it could obviously threaten his argument. Shapiro does this a lot, he narrows the playing field and tries to set the terms of the debate to protect his sacred cows The second you question the assumptions his ideas rest on, his glossy arguments tend to melt away, and all that's left underneath is this deformed stump of Westboro Baptist style apologetics mixed with reaganism.

[@illusive1276]

@@wolfumz He makes a sound argument here though, like i said earlier you can use natural explanations to describe physical events but when you try using naturalism for all religious idea/rules then its more difficult. He also said that it might be true that being gay has a biological element to it but that still doesnt change the fact that you are still sinning in context of religion. Just because somebody has a drive to do something whether its biological or not doesn't make it sinless. straight Men have a biological drive to have sex with any hot girl they meet but religion doesn't allow sex before marriage. A poor person might have a drive to steal because they are hungry but stealing is still a sin regardless. A Jew/Muslim might eat non kosher/non halal because it tastes good but it's still sinning. Same concept applies to feeling attracted to the same sex. He also said that these things are just a ''buy in'' if you want to be part of the religion, and it you dont want to be part of it then thats fine. You can do whatever you want as long as you do not harm others or shove your idealogies and criticism down his throat.

[@wolfumz]

@@illusive1276 Shapiro at least honors the concept that sexual attraction is not purely a choice. St. Thomas Aquinas made a point to say stealing to feed yourself if you're starving is not a mortal sin, and the position Catholic Church has taken that position for the last 700 years. It's still in a sin the broad sense that you're offending justice itself. Jewish theology has tended to land on the idea it is not sinful, so long as the victim is compensated later, although Shapiro seems to give little credence to Jewish thought when it comes to the issues of the day. I'm sympathetic to the "just because you have a biological drive.." argument. I'm an addict in recovery. I abstain from any mood-altering substances. A glance at family history would suggest I have genes, genes I didn't chose, driving my predisposition to enjoy substances while being poorly equipped to stop. The major difference is that I'm healthier and happier when I abstain, I cause less harm, while gays are made miserable when they abstain from same sex attraction. These biological defects, of course, bring up the bigger question of why God would see fit to create suffering like this to begin with, but that's where Shapiro stakes off the edges and says "well it's a free country." My gripe with Shapiro is he ostensibly takes that position ("It's a free country") when he's sitting across the table from Joe Rogan, but then he goes home and tirelessly works to codify his religious positions into law (ie abortion). He's a zealous defender of his own freedoms, but someone else's freedom to pursue happiness, suddenly that's a cultural poison where the state needs to intervene.

[@majordelilah]

I feel like Ben Shapiro is the guy who reminds the teacher we had homework

[@lavonnealexander6936]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@iamyou1268]

Because that's that good Thu tho do XD

[@majordelilah]

@ladywharton I actually just released my first song today so💕

[@leedickson2701]

Oh 100%

[@rideswithtasha2358]

😂

[@B3FMandCProductions]

"It's pig shit" "Yeah, that's not kosher either" I laughed out loud at that

[@pommiebears]

Me too. I was looking for your comment, as I knew someone else had caught it too 😂

[@jaysoniorg2950]

Yeah, made me lol. I was a bit disappointed that Joe didn't laugh.

[@AjejeB]

Pig shit goes in the ground and eventually becomes salad

[@knowitfirsthand]

@@AjejeB It really doesn't. Pig faeces are too acidic and damages plants. Whilst cow and horse manure help crops, the pig faeces need to be kept away from cultures. Salad is pig shit as much as you are a Sun.

[@nikog300]

@@jaysoniorg2950 75% of the jokes go over joes bald head

[@KeiranCounsellKC1994]

im a gay man and when it comes to religion and marriage I myself have the belief that there were some inequalities that needed addressing but that fundimentally it was up to people of faith, who follow the faith and everything ben said about the faith systems to decide what is or isnt in the eyes of god sort of thing. but then im an athiest thats not in the least bit concerned about marriage either way

[@kujessie06]

Joe's curiousity and hunger for knowledge helped him navigate that interview perfectly. bravo.

[@LukeNorther]

Jessie Chapman the way he asks Ben and counter arguments him without hard feelings is just amazing to me.

[@blitzvgc2363]

@@LukeNorther it's really not amazing, dialogue like this should be the standard. Instead we get discussions and when people disagree they throw hissy fits

[@LukeNorther]

@@blitzvgc2363 Yes, it should be the standard for sure. Too many snowflakes.

[@carmensavu5122]

He handled himself a lot better than I would have in his situation. I have zero tolerance for bigotry and especially religious bigotry.

[@GeneralG1810]

Both guys just sharing opinions without getting out of hand, this is how interviews are supposed to be

[@botondhetyey159]

I think the biggest flaw in Ben's argument was when Joe brought up sterile couples. He said there are other benefits to sex, such as strengthening the relationship, etc. That is true for gay people, too.

[@dizzyd7315]

Sterile couples are more rare than gay couples and being sterile is something that you can't actually work towards changing you idiot.

[@ethanbazinet5099]

Ben wasn’t making an argument. He was speaking about his own beliefs not his political views. It was all about the religion he believes in

[@MarcillaSmith]

Catholicism is the same way. You have to remember they're both descended from ancient, Levantine, fertility cults

[@ethanbazinet5099]

@@MarcillaSmith ok what does that have to do with anything

[@MarcillaSmith]

@@ethanbazinet5099 Sorry, that really had nothing to do with what you said. More to the OP's point. Speaking only to the Catholic perspective, the consummating act's primary purpose is procreative, while there is also a secondary unitive purpose. The church's position is that however unitive the act may be for the gay couple, it cannot be procreative. Speaking to the issue of sterility, while this may be the case in terms of a _specific_ heterosexual couple, the rules are made "as a class" - if you will - for the genders. Therefore, two people are made permissible or impermissible to marry at birth by the sex they are assigned at that time, and are not later disqualified on account of sterility. Put bluntly, the logic is based in procedural jurisprudence, not in practical reality. To illustrate further just how much the decision is procedural in nature and an abstraction of - rather than directly related to - procreation, while sterility is not a disqualifying factor, it turns out that impotence/frigidity IS a disqualifier. This is to say that while the consummative act must be procreative in fundamental nature, even if non-productive in practice, it also must be procreative in resemblance, even if it should also be obscure in appearance - done out of sight of anyone to see

[@TillerOG]

Ben explaining his stance on gay marriage: Joe: But why do you care??

[@michaelhart7282]

Yeah, that’s the entire point. It literally only affects the two gay guys getting married

[@TillerOG]

@@michaelhart7282 Didn't ask, but thank you for pointing out the obvious. 👍

[@mightymurph550]

I think he was just backing up the point you were making

[@TillerOG]

@@mightymurph550 Been a couple weeks since I watched, but I think I was pointing out how Joe kinda kept interrupting him before he even explains his stance. Also it's not that Ben "cares" about gay marriage. He's not gonna go jump in front of two guys at a wedding screaming "NOO YOU CANT DO THAT." The point is that his religion states it as a sin, therefore he doesn't believe in it. It is a taboo for him. Seemed a lot like Joe didn't really understand this. And that is mostly evident with the fact that he's asking Ben "Why do you care?" at least 3 or 4 times when Ben really doesn't, his religion does. Not sure his reason for replying but seemed like he wanted to be a smartass tho. Thank you for being a genuinely curious and not a smartass like the other guy. Haha

[@edgar541]

@@TillerOG Personally the question is valid. He's responding from HIS religion and not HIMSELF. To which he keeps asking "Why do you care". He doesn't you're right. His religion does, but it still doesn't answer Joes question.

[@meekeeboy]

The most ironic part of this is how obviously gay Ben Shapiro is...

[@seattledude6277]

I keep saying that! Im gay and my GAYDAR is digning everytime I see him talk! What a traitor prick! no one will convince me hes not gay! His thought our rational thought says it all- He is GAF!

[@corydorastube]

Strange how God can prohibit the eating of seafood or wearing clothes of mixed fabric but could not bring himself to prohibit owning people as property and genocide.

[@charlesreid5137]

no ofcourse not darling being fashionable is far more important!

[@claudioestrella1160]

it's all metaphorical😉.

[@claudioestrella1160]

@Eyre Borne I was beign sarcastic.

[@claudioestrella1160]

@Eyre Borne I am a atheist.

[@juicyd9233]

"God indorsing genocide" which religion are we talking Cory??

[@andreiionescu160]

Congratulations Joe Rogan for reminding us what TRUE journalism looks like. Although CLEARLY you disagreed with Ben Shapiro on pretty much everything on this topic, AND you asked him sharp, intelligent, tough questions, you maintained professional tone and composure. You got him in the ropes a couple of times, elegantly and skillfully, and yet genuinely and honesty. Bravo to both of you!

[@swampaids]

not really because they agree politically just not religiously

[@aceboogisback9946]

Joe Rogan isn't a journalist. His show is a podcast. It has no journalistic qualities about it.

[@thehungryquestmachine1242]

@@aceboogisback9946 modern journalism

[@DM-yq3pr]

@@aceboogisback9946 look at Cathy Newman interviewing Jordan Peterson.. she is a journalist yet she attacked him over and over and disagreed with everything. Rogan disagrees with Ben on several issues but look at the differences in their interactions

[@chrisakaschulbus4903]

@@thehungryquestmachine1242 "modern journalism" Exactly... definitions change. At some point the only jounalism was printed media... i'm pretty sure when the first broadcast interviews were out people were also saying "this isn't journalism"

[@SS-rp7wp]

Ben "politicians being bought and paid for is pretty rare" Shapiro

[@jojojorisjhjosef]

Elaborate.

[@michaelheffernan7113]

He jus jealous nobody give him no money

[@SS-rp7wp]

@@jojojorisjhjosef kzbin.info/www/bejne/joPbeqB9rN9qZ9U

[@blackearl7891]

@@michaelheffernan7113 he does get money. Funny enough alex jones exposed that.

[@Saint2K13]

@@michaelheffernan7113 Ben Shapiro ‘Owns the Libs’...But Who Owns Him? - TYT Network legacy.tyt.com/2018/07/31/ben-shapiro-owns-the-libs-but-who-owns-him/

[@eoghan1233]

I don’t believe in any of Ben’s theology but first time listening to him and I defo respect him. Has his beliefs but is also open to discussion and is tolerant of others

[@Baun92]

Ben: "I don't like naturalistic explanations for religion." Joe: "You don't have any miracles?" Ben: "You've got Moses splitting the sea." Joe: "What do you think happened there?" Ben: "There's a naturalistic explanation for that."

[@Vanamutt]

What about the passover? Manna? The miracle of the curse of oil? Religion truly is the death of reason.

[@Zibit21]

@@Vanamutt Are you saying that reason is about not believing anything and only consider something true if there's a proof for it?

[@davidwilliams6966]

Ya whats the theological argument against pork?

[@Baun92]

@@Zibit21 Now you get it.

[@govindraghavan9493]

@@Zibit21 Hey you are getting it finally

[@MLeeT21]

Doesn’t like naturalistic explanation for pork ... minutes later gives naturalistic explanation for the Red Sea

[@bradhollmann5316]

mckinzie t I was just going to comment this same thing lol

[@rickstark85]

Just commented the same thing

[@abehaile2659]

💯% An “eastern wind” parted the Red Sea?! It’s only a mile deep and 200 miles wide. Makes sense [SMH]

[@Vanlifecrisis]

The difference is he didnt ascribe a naturalistic explanation to an occurrence in the bible, the bible itself says what he quoted The bible said a wind parted the sea. In contrast, it doesn't say to "don't eat pork because microscopic parasites will enter your body if its not cooked to a precise temperature, where it will enter your bloodstream and travel your circulatory system before lodging into your brain." It just says dont eat pork without an explanation.

[@timothya.olmeda7299]

Kevin P his "religion" doesn't need mans protection. His belief has survived more than any other belief system, throughout mans existence. And has proven itself over and over and over again. For it is G-d's faithful servant, the nation of Israel, who has the lords protection, evermore.

[@cindervarela5118]

The bible says to not do a lot of other things. The "buy in" isn't just to not be gay, but that's the one people usually focus on.

[@TheLily97232]

I know right... Also the bible says we're all sinners and can't change that nature by ourselves...

[@boomboompow5687]

@@drekthgrek5896 masturbating also means death

[@sergeantsavage4234]

Sodom and gamorrah

[@SW_Y9]

@@boomboompow5687 atleast it's not an abomination

[@QuantumParticle]

@@boomboompow5687 You wanna point to the verse that says that?

[@geeman3609]

3:58 - Religion fundamentally rejects the idea that you are driven to do something; therefore it is your identity. Therefore, you get to participate in a behavior. Well said, Ben.

[@AutomaticDuck300]

So your personal preferences are not your identity? Or even a part of it?

[@popcorn1100]

Why don’t we have strong winds like that anymore:(

[@greekporsche928]

We have strong winds like that down here in Florida all the time. lol

[@nicholasbeckwith7055]

god doesn't fart anymore

[@doinkclipz8317]

Cause the magic man in the sky says no

[@hp9351]

Nicholas Beckwith but god got bean when Kobe died. He fart soon

[@TheTNRangerOfficial]

Global warning 😂

[@azeleza]

Isn’t it kind of funny ben says he doesn’t like naturalistic explanations of the Bible. But when Moses parted the seas it was because of a “strong eastern wind” lmao

[@jonahnesmith7004]

He doesn't like naturalistic explanations of the Bible because it pokes holes in the absurdity of it.

[@cloud67899]

Yesssss xD

[@daviddupavidflexseal6031]

The Bible says a strong eastern wind in the Exodus

[@kmuskrat]

even says "so there is a naturalistic explanation" Lmao

[@redcomic619]

Religious feelings don’t care about facts.

[@Kildergcowboy]

It baffles me how Ben can be so clearly logical in so many ways and yet just switch it off as soon as he talks about his religion.

[@cjbray6584]

Same.

[@chefboyardee8201]

Well its not technically his religion, its everyones religion everyone just follows

[@Kildergcowboy]

@@chefboyardee8201 not following what you mean there.

[@unregisteredassaultbutterk1185]

Many intelligent people who were raised in or took shelter in rigid fundamentalist beliefs find it very hard to look at their own religion critically, because it is such a deeply integrated part of their character that they feel they are attacking themselves. The fear of actually going to those uncomfortable places and perhaps finding what they've believed in their whole lives is folly keeps them from breaking away. More than anything religion has functioned as a solution to human existential fear and fear of a final death, and not everyone's mind is equipped to handle that fear. The human mind will actively choose to ignore things that make it uncomfortable.

[@nasanka7428]

Maybe hes not actually that logical

[@suproliver]

I don't know why Rogan keeps arguing folks don't understand biology if you don't recognize same sex relations is a thing. Biology, strictly speaking, says only a male and a female can produce children. The fact that you may have sexual urges for the same sex is not a biology thing. -OG

[@NyQuilDonut]

Sexual urges are absolutely biological. I never chose to be attracted to women, I just am. I can remember as far back as 4 years old being attracted to girls. That's biology. Anything dictated strictly by your body is biological.

[@jaywikie]

You just don’t get it man. It’s okay. I don’t disagree with the facts of biology, but you simply weren’t listening.

[@AutomaticDuck300]

No it’s a psychological thing, strictly speaking.

[@freem8son86]

"Facts don't care about your feelings. I also make all my decisions based on my deeply held religious beliefs."

[@spacebook8923]

He does this weird thing where he explains the religious perspective and the rational perspective (however you define rational) which is such a big contradiction in his reasoning. Especially in this video where he uses the religious perspective that straight marriages are more valued than gay marriages because gay marriages are usually in place because of a "pleasure" motive. It's almost like Ben cannot fathom the fact that gay marriages involve the commitment of a man to a man or a woman to a woman, not simply just for pleasure.

[@wordsoflove8787]

@@jc_3679 Reddit likes it therefore it's bad

[@thomasbroleen4241]

Shapiro is well respected but his credibility is going down the toilet on this one. About time he stopped giving his critics the bat to smash the shit out of him.

[@Swolsuke]

The guy has literally stated that he bases his argument against gay marriage by saying that he knows it’s wrong in his religion so he works to find a reason it’s wrong logically, his argument being that gay parents can’t properly raise children which studies have shown is just wrong. The guy is completely open about his bias and it’s amazing people still take his “facts don’t care about your feelings” seriously when it comes to Ben. The guy is not rational and is at times even somewhat racist, I mean literally just look up his novel he wrote somewhat recently. Warning, it is the most batshit crazy thing I’ve ever seen. The guy is a crockpot of homophobia, religious fanaticism, and a deeply buried racism.

[@stephenolder4552]

@Gabe Norman so people who dont believe in an imaginary friend that they have no proof in are stupid and they have to be a liberal? Or maybe atheist just dont believe in baseless fairy tales, and they can be left or right wing. There may be more on the left though, for whatever reason. Im not sure.

[@dro9167]

I love how he’s all about science, and then he talks about his religious beliefs

[@viktorkav8191]

because he's not about science, he's a religious zealot.

[@matthiasbergendahl8596]

A religious person can be scientific.

[@teolliscaletta851]

@@matthiasbergendahl8596 ...

[@oyemate8647]

@@matthiasbergendahl8596 can but he isnt

[@goncalobaia1574]

Well if that's the simplicity of the way you see it then you don't sound very bright. Think critically a bit harder and unbiasedly, you can find out why he's like that

[@xJayhawkFANx]

Joe really surprises me every time I watch him. He's more intellectual than he lets on and has thought provoking rebuttle to his guests' arguments. He's able to keep up conversationally with people such as Ben and Jordan Peterson while also having interesting ideas of his own. Even as a Christian, listening to both of these two speak on this subject matter is really interesting.

[@sunnyday4055]

Ben is stupid his arguments are all memorised

[@udhav423]

You literally just not just use “intellectual” & “ben shapiro” in the same sentence damn dude, you’re a lost cause. 💀

[@xJayhawkFANx]

@@udhav423 salty lmao

[@donhectorsalamanca]

@@udhav423 yup. Ben shapiro and intellectual shouldn't be used together

[@morninglift1253]

Disagree. He's more intellectually honest and curious than many others, but he really isn't that smart. Some of the conclusions he draws don't make sense. For example, look at how easily he fell for that "furry" story.

[@dxcoco8578]

This conversation should be how all conversations go. Tons of questions. Lots of listening. Respect from both ends. Maybe not a lot of agreeing, but that is free will and inclusion. Everyone should be able to have different opinions and be able to express them without being cancelled. If someone expressing an extreme opinion they should be able to be heard why they think that way. Then they should listen to the counter argument so maybe we could come to mutual understanding and common ground for living in the same society.

[@raum2811]

I disagree this is a calm conversation. Shapiro is always under some pressure and sounds angry. You can also notice by his mimic and colour of his face.

[@travispernock5045]

I bet Shapiro could rap faster than Mac Lethal

[@azure5644]

Travis Pernock he would but apparently he believes rap isn’t music

[@twelved4983]

How about Eminem?

[@travispernock5045]

First Name Last Name I believe Mac lethal is faster than Em, Mac Lethaljust broke a speed record recently

[@thedoctorprofessor1817]

Ben Shapiro doing rap God would be amazing.

[@randomuruk7230]

@@twelved4983 Mac Lethal is far faster than Eminem

[@ChrisKogos]

It's adorable that his voice hasn't gone through puberty yet

[@AyleidCraft]

Cute that your patchy beard never filled in.

[@AyleidCraft]

@Gabriel Cabrera Lmao he does too

[@AyleidCraft]

@Gabriel Cabrera Looks like the type of dude to ask girls for a hug

[@AyleidCraft]

Gabriel Cabrera Type of dude to think ketchup is too spicy.

[@usernotfound7160]

It’s adorable that you too scared to show your face on your yt channel

[@mightymurph550]

Shapiro looks like a villain in every thumbnail

[@abdimojo8794]

🤨😐😑

[@carissapederson3168]

Abjshskwnw

[@NNiffy]

@Matthew Rendenm An idiot who graduated college before the age of 20? Sure, go off I guess

[@ananousous]

He just looks like an older version of the Dexter's lab villain

[@mightymurph550]

@@ananousous 😂😂

[@BUEAU]

I don't understand why some feel the need to overcomplicate sexuality, unless of course they are confused and unaccepting of their own?

[@nedwhitney4123]

"it was pig shit actually" Shapiro: "yeah that's not kosher either" can't lie that got me good

[@njhooper]

Totally went unnoticed by joe

[@mixalot6464]

@@fym3106 bro he just meant joe completely missed the joke there, calm down

[@austinheyman]

@@fym3106 the irony…

[@fym3106]

@@austinheyman yeah iron deez

[@aidanalsip8174]

@@fym3106 tweeker