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0:00 Intro
0:30 The Black Church shaped Black Culture
12:50 Ground Shoutout
14:27 As a Black person, people always assume that I'm Christian
25:20 Patreon Exclusive prompt - The Black Church is better than the White Church
25:27 The Church has helped Black people more than the government
41:32 I've considered exploring other religions or leaving the church
51:54 Christianity is inherently racist
1:03:32 Final Thoughts

[@jubilee]

An exclusive prompt from Middle Ground: Black Christians vs Black Atheists is now up on our Patreon👉 “The Black Church is better than the White Church” www.patreon.com/jubileemedia

[@Christian-ut2sp]

Why did you drop this on Easter?

[@boparks3204]

Why not? ​@@Christian-ut2sp

[@sabrenabrantley6200]

Because it’s needed

[@aloe704]

@@user-kq2we1ex3h Agreed. I aspire to be like her.

[@msrubie11]

@Jubliee If you are sitting on that stage as anything but a BLACK AMERICAN speaking about how you THINK the Black Church represent our people, you're cosplaying and committing identity theft that Black Americans are not going for anymore. If you're Caribbean or African, your culture and how this topic represents you and your family dynamics is the ONLY experience you can speak too!

[@NTH0921]

Getting mad at someone for saying Bless You when you sneeze is so dense.

[@lisarowe3010]

at no point did she ‘get mad’, she just explained that saying that seems to presuppose a common belief in a deity.

[@DailyDoseOfRuth]

or Amen. 😂😂😂 craziness.

[@cubism4416]

no one was mad tho,

[@Pasta_Water]

but she wasn't mad. You missed her point.

[@NTH0921]

@@Pasta_Water She scoffed at the idea. She wasn't happy about it either and completely overlooked the counterargument which made a lot of sense.

[@xx-kj1om]

Arab Christian vs Arab Muslim. I wanna know what they think of each other.

[@justanobody0]

which arabic countries allow the bible to be preached? like Saudi Arabia doesn't allow crosses, doesn't allow bibles to be brought in to be given to anyone, doesn't allow the building of "churches"

[@sammy-er7on]

​@@justanobody0 its arab not arabic. Arabic is the language, and Arab describes the people. There are plenty of practicing Christians and churches all across the middle east and north africa . There are also 1.8 billion muslims across the world, Saudi Arabia makes up a fraction of that figure; they do not, nor can they, represent all arab nations.

[@TheRatSquid]

Why not Arab Muslims vs Arab Atheists?

[@JohnDoe-bh2lp]

@@justanobody0 Arab muslim countries are intolerant to Christians and other religions, but want to force us to give them refuge at our expense.

[@justanobody0]

@@sammy-er7on "Saudi Arabia makes up a fraction of that figure; they do not, nor can they, represent all arab nations." Where do certain people pray towards? is it Saudi Arabia or some other country there is only one country they say they have to travel to, and they say it's better to do it more than once They say they have to pray only in the language that came from Saudi Arabia

[@tinkatikd]

I’ve noticed a lot of ppl are against Christianity because of personal experiences NOT the actual religion . They have issues with “the people of the church” and that needs to be clarified.

[@nataliaorocio3871]

But if a majority of the people of the church are acting a certain way then that says something about the religion itself

[@OUT1AWFORMAL]

⁠@@nataliaorocio3871no…it says a lot about PEOPLE. Bc the Bible goes against every kind of evil. Which is why the lady you responded to says that people have a problem with Christians themselves NOT Christianity. Bc Christian’s are the representatives of Christianity.

[@AaronICXC]

@@nataliaorocio3871 its not a majority, it's just a loud minority

[@inezaa]

No it’s very much both lol

[@OUT1AWFORMAL]

@@inezaa saying that doesn’t make it true. You have to actually give a valid argument

[@oriannedalmeida6540]

Wooow he really thought he ate at James Harden though💀

[@SashaLand]

yeah i got some secondhand embarrassment there lol

[@johnankrah299]

Ikr , he's gonna grow up watch this back and cringe.

[@savageunitato100]

I was looking for this comment 😂

[@ELCHICOBOMBAOFFICIAL]

Extremely cringe

[@sydney6818]

and he did lmfao just bc u didn’t like the delivery doesn’t mean it’s not true

[@TubeCritic]

This seems to be more about Black Christians vs Pro Black with a hint of Atheism

[@cjgt77]

Well, it's because Christian religion is deeply ingrained in American black culture. It's been used as a way to control, not just giving a sense of community. It still affects the black community negatively even today.

[@jfoot2732]

I sort of think that American Christianity is anti-Black.... (not the people in the video, but in general)

[@ourcorrectopinions6824]

Yep.

[@ADxtraIsHere]

Pro Black and hint of Afro-Spiritual Atheism*

[@ewatts9992]

Agreed

[@coalnel3089]

I feel like this episode had a lot more educated people than the average Jubilee episode. Like it actually felt like a discussion where people who were semi-experts in their particular subjects spoke.

[@angrybirdo]

And paradoxically it was the Christians who were more educated

[@user_05160]

thankfully! Jubilee be a mess sp much of the time

[@AdultHumanXX]

I totally agree. They all made their points in such a succinct, informed manner.

[@MonkeyB5]

Hit different don’t it? All these panel shows need more of this.

[@neol2535]

1000% agree. Very refreshing to hear people of sound mind speaking and not tryna get their 15min of fame👏🏽👏🏽

[@chloefirebaugh6006]

I’m not black and cannot speak on that, but I will say, the mediator took a lot of time to let the atheists speak first. ALWAYS said “let them finish” before one of the Christian’s could speak and then cut to the next prompt before we saw a response. I know they had to edit this down, but even referencing “a lesser of two evils…” no follow up questions for the Christian’s. Doesn’t seem to be an unbiased discussion

[@renee7394]

Thank you for this. I saw it too and genuinely wanted to hear the follow ups of the Christians..

[@kendriafarmer]

Facts

[@Orius25]

Yeah the atheists were given way more talking time, especially Tyler. The political voices were amplified more than the religious voices. But that's Jubilee for you.

[@salemsemere5196]

Yesss I saw that too. Sad

[@lboggans1]

I thought I was tripping! Yea definitely felt a slight lean INTO the atheists for certain.

[@jaidelyss.4913]

really liked Roxy in this episode. She articulated her points fairly and well. When she was asked by Tyler about "how blackness came about" She stood her ground. That wasn't even the prompt. Tyler was way out of the line of questioning. Sometimes we need to sit and listen. Be slow to speak

[@PeterGriffin11]

Maybe I’m crazy but I feel like that question doesn’t even make any sense it’s an extremely vague question.

[@jaii8934]

@@PeterGriffin11literally…and when she said it wasn’t her expertise he says “black Christian always dippin and dodging” huh ?? 😭

[@tiffanyjones1506]

Yes, I feel as though Tyler was really getting away from the real essence and purpose of the conversation and really made it difficult for others to express their thoughts in this conversation

[@jeanetteparis]

exactly she ate the most and she wasnt there to make friends but still kept her cool

[@lewcy]

Wearing an inverted cross and saying “keep your religion to yourself” is CRAZY.

[@natnailsit]

Is she satanist??

[@rileyfreeman4096]

and the fact that an inverted cross isn’t even ‘Anti-Christ’ at all it’s Saint Peter’s cross😂

[@maliaspams]

Real

[@M4RZ1Z]

​@@rileyfreeman4096who?

[@lewcy]

@@rileyfreeman4096 look at you educating me lol. Silly demons😅

[@gaminglegend]

Black Christians vs Black Muslims would be interesting, especially considering the history of the Civil Rights Movement and the leaders, many of whom were either devout Christians or Muslims

[@bbhdd6181]

only if the Christians were educated on the crazy anti-blackness in Islam

[@Jk-ow8ny]

Just christians vs muslims. No need to add black in there

[@fastersalt85sega25]

​@Jk-ow8ny I think there's alr an episode like that

[@heathertea2704]

That would be Very different as they've had Muslim and Christian convos of varying races in the past.

[@nyzeardenga9861]

@@Jk-ow8nynope their is a need to add black their cuz black Christians and Muslims have a unique experience a lotta of us wanna hear and relate too

[@BigPapiCapone]

So here we have seven people who want to have a genuine conversation, and then we have Tyler.

[@jedidiah6854]

He was spittin’, though

[@jesegat2789]

He's just not brainwashed and I bet its rough for him talking to cultitst who talk to a toothfairy, insane tbh

[@BigPapiCapone]

@@jedidiah6854 yeah if you count drooling

[@SM_MEX]

@@jesegat2789what are you talking about dude💀

[@jesegat2789]

@@SM_MEX Its hard to have a conversation with someone whos delusional

[@stasiaa8249]

we fight not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places Ephesians 6:12

[@Jdawk.]

Amen

[@aliasfakename3159]

I really dislike this verse.

[@NicoleMborchie]

​@aliasfakename3159 okay, did anyone ask 💀?

[@krakywaky2740]

@@aliasfakename3159 why

[@Camrizzgyatkingskibiticoo23]

amen

[@Euphoriclove]

Being mad about someone saying amen is so ridiculous

[@cocoalovelife8849]

no cause its cringe and makes me wanna throw up

[@glowbychels]

@@cocoalovelife8849and we still going to say it

[@ARandomChristianGuy]

@@cocoalovelife8849 if you feel that way there’s some demon in you for sure

[@m-777]

@@cocoalovelife8849amen to you

[@wop2784]

bro where do u see or sense any madness coming from Mandisa or Coco?

[@uraddiictOnx3]

I don’t like him telling that woman she MUST put blackness over any other part of her identity

[@Gcx.7]

These extreme ideologies only cause more division and ultimately lead to genocide

[@abblejooce1293]

I did appreciate it, though he could have given a simpler explanation of why. It's simply the fact that her blackness is the first thing people will see when she walks into a room. It's human nature to label someone, and frankly, most people will label a black woman as loud and aggressive. They don't care if she gardens, paints, or sells houses. The only thing they see until she speaks is that she is a black woman.

[@marthakaronga6352]

You don't like it because you do not understand fully what it is to be black/ to be of African Descent

[@FactStorm]

People obsessed with race are cringe

[@latrinity2412]

@@aprilotero7448 black feminism does not say that. black feminism recognises the unique and intersectional experiences that black women face because of their race and sex/gender. that idea of putting blackness over being a woman is all him.

[@MrzPicklez]

The pastor was really level headed dealing with Tyler.

[@ShesSoControversial]

One thing that upsets me is when other people try to tell Christians what Christians believe, what they think or what they are doing FROM THE OUTSIDE

[@macmaster3622]

A lot of atheists, ESPECIALLY black ones, are ex Christian’s, and have seen the inside

[@sarahsays194]

Yes! The presuppositions that people will make regarding Christian teachings can be way off.

[@digdug23]

The same happens with atheism. People try to tell us what we believe and our purpose.

[@saj1313]

@@digdug23 mhm! It goes both ways

[@digdug23]

@@saj1313 Atheist don't care what you believe or your purpose.

[@queenmommy2756]

She did not duck and dodge she said its not her expertise. I found that responsible.

[@motorc1tye206]

Refusing to learn but speaking on a situation or subject is ducking & pure ignorance tho 😕

[@glowbychels]

Did she say she didnt wanna learn? She listened to the guy speaking no?

[@jadasimmons7534]

I agree. There are way too many people these days who try and speak on stuff they know nothing about.

[@KeonRouse]

@@motorc1tye206 you want her to talk about stuff she doesn’t know huhh… 😕 she even let fam cook before carrying on

[@Millie_the_Mermaid]

I know....she just told him that was not her expertise

[@maxpower4868]

I love how he's against religion, but he treats blackness as if it is a religion

[@Flock.chris_]

Exactly clocked that tea

[@nini_nunez]

It is his religion. We all worship something 💯

[@maxpower4868]

@@nini_nunez Then he shouldn't be in a video publicly speaking out against religion. That was my point.

[@nini_nunez]

@@maxpower4868 I agree with you

[@knockda887]

gottem!

[@MadamMari]

“Don’t mix church and state!”….”The church is not political enough” Make up your mind. But we all know the proper answer would not be the latter.

[@TheMFStudios]

He’s talking about utilizing the church’s power in the black community and the money it collects from black people to push for black progression politically. Not that we need more Religious based laws.

[@AppleOfThineEye]

@@TheMFStudios The first inevitably leads to the second.

[@briathomas5310]

​@AppleOfThineEye not necessarily.

[@AppleOfThineEye]

@@briathomas5310 Money leads to political instantiation as money is state tender.

[@user-ly1ey6qc7d]

jackie hill and preston perry would’ve been amaaaaziiiiiing in this!! great content 🫶🏻

[@quantaviousjenkins7667]

I don't think the athiests would have been prepared for them. They're way too educated lol.

[@sausage12ify]

I was just about to comment this!!!

[@dbertna]

Yessssss!!!

[@Tangi_k]

I was thinking about them the entire time

[@TheRebrandLab]

Agreed!

[@g.agenaral6543]

I love watching black educated men and women have a discussion; this was beautiful

[@user-hi4ww4eu7o]

religion and education are contradictory

[@johnbishop1025]

@@user-hi4ww4eu7othank you, Religion is literally the process of saying “no proof or evidence?? I don’t care i believe what i want”. which is the most anti-science mindset one could ever have

[@brobinson2150]

Same. I loved this episode

[@charky6683]

⁠@@johnbishop1025you can be religious and educated it's not that deep

[@silvernightskin]

​@@user-hi4ww4eu7o ??

[@sierraalice8072]

I’m black and atheist, I don’t agree with that Amen argument. I grew up religious, and it’s just the way I and others talk. I don’t think amen is pushing religion at all

[@ajh.4131]

As an atheist, I say bless you when someone sneezes. It’s not that deep to me 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@sierraalice8072]

@@ajh.4131 exactly

[@PROVOCATEURSK]

So would you be ok with neo na because it´s just the way they talk?

[@koalaplays8855]

@@PROVOCATEURSKno I obviously would not.

[@gravitycore1]

Agreed, it’s not that deep, I love when ppl of other religions address me with theirs as well

[@Knowthyself1013]

The fact they all came together respectfully in the end was beautiful and that's what it's about. I'm glad to see them all together in spite their differences.

[@whatshatnin4572]

The most powerful moment of the whole video

[@bran7134]

I love Roxie! She was sooooo spot on about relativism! And absolutely spot on about the victim mentality! I could listen to her all day if she had a podcast. She said I'm much more than my race and to say otherwise is demeaning! Truth!!!!! The simple fact that she takes the same position as Morgan Freeman (his video on racism is basically a masterclass on it) on we're not victims anymore speaks volumes!

[@LaurynTamia]

Saying that the black church hasn’t shaped black culture is arguing for the sake of arguing. It’s literally a fact, the next question came up and we’re instantly referencing the black church again.

[@labranehit7687]

Agreed. You don't choose the past, you choose the future. It's like saying America was not built on the back of slavery. Or that eugenics didn't have a huge influence on western culture.

[@deanecarlson]

The point of the questions is to “argue”, to get the conversations and opinions rolling on the subject.

[@allaboutthemurzic]

Culture isnt about race Black people arent monolithic

[@tanvi7532]

That does take away from black people who have never been Christian either following their own cultural spiritual practices , Rastafarian or Islamic practices

[@LaurynTamia]

@@allaboutthemurzic ???? I don’t even know how to respond to this because where did I say that

[@_ENVI]

I love how Roxie stood 10 toes down !!!! ❤

[@jeanetteparis]

exactlyyy likeeee she make me so proud to be black and christian

[@craigmoye2322]

Athiesm in America is more about rejecting the Aramaic traditions than its about being irreligious, skeptic or non religious

[@DSS712]

I feel people who actively identify as "athiest" are the same as people who actively identify as "nonbinary." Like, you're kind of missing the point by identifying as the thing you are claiming to not identify with. Just say "I don't practice a religion" or "I don't really identify with a gender."

[@mcclusho]

​@@DSS712, you conflated gender identity with not having an imaginary friend.

[@codyfloydactor]

Not on a Easter Sunday 😂😭

[@qwertpoo1]

I'm Christian and think it's pretty relevant

[@daniellej2328]

They are diabolical for that lol

[@whateverwhatever4026]

Invisible Transes Day

[@TobiasTheTraveler]

🤣🤣

[@TheTomboy345]

Underrated comment. 😆

[@totallytaly1652]

Tyler hated when Christians didn’t want to answer a question but mans literally dodged questions they gave him and bounced around topics that no one was talking about 😭

[@hermanbrachey7653]

Easter worshippers are hypocrites

[@taylarjaasu]

Exactly! To me he’s a victim, he’s one of those black people that literally walk around mad at the world.

[@nicknickson3650]

he also accidentally spat on the moderator

[@dogsandyoga1743]

He showed up with a script. Wasn't really there for discourse.

[@Dante_Seth]

@@dogsandyoga1743that’s how most Christians interact with you on these topics

[@avivastudios2311]

Woah, this is one of the most interesting conversations ever put on this channel. Thank you. And thank you for making it an hour long.

[@benjaelee]

wow this one was surprisingly refreshing to watch. i feel like everyone was very respectful and receptive

[@kamsyarinze3206]

Everyone??

[@devkal]

The moderator did a horrible job. Tyler consistently interrupted others but when they tried to explain their point, he would say let him finish. Clearly someones bias

[@yahninaax7075]

No fr I noticed that too

[@JameSackey]

@Jubilee please take note, it was too much

[@kdooley41]

Many of you just don't like Tyler because he is for blk empowerment.. because there is nothing wrong with the points he was making

[@cassyvjlee5925]

⁠@@kdooley41 Who said anything was wrong with the points he made? He spoke over everyone and his manor was unpleasant. The O/P commented on how the moderator was bias and allowed this but made everyone else wait til he was finished to respond, it was not equitable. Has nothing to do with his points.

[@makiyahsmith9817]

yall trippin

[@The_Moderates_Apprentice]

I was born and raised Jewish, but am more agnostic atheist these days. I never got offended or mad when someone would say "merry christmas" or "bless you" or something like that. To this day, I simply say "thanks, you too!" Why? Because I am happy that a stranger took time out of their day to say something nice to me. I never understood why people get offended by such things.

[@AntiBlackDefamationLeague]

*That's because you never had your ENTIRE CULTURE/HERITAGE STOLEN from you.*

[@wholenewszn]

Plus, the majority of the people around your vicinity are Christians, so it is very normal for people to assume that you are a Christian, I'm also an agnostic atheist and I say "walahi"....it's just what I grew up around

[@andreaj5067]

I wonder why people are agnostic atheists

[@anonymouslee8287]

Not harsh, but open minded!..

[@diyalectic52]

It can be rude to assume another person's religious outlook. And sometimes a non-religious person is highly aware of the forceful nature of religion due to trauma. Despite claims that religion is peaceful, many places in the world suffer from religious dogma, and non-adherence resulting in corporal punishment. As an ex-Muslim, being told things like "Ramadaan kareem" reminds me of the fact that parents can beat their children for not fasting or being given a kiss on the cheeks after someone came from prayer reminds me of how I was beat up by my father for not making solaah because the Quran told my parents to do so. I saw many Muslim friends badly beat up by a father who took things too far. Mine did the same. Every religion has it's problems like this - and while most atheists have very rational reasons for exiting the religion, some remain scarred. Some atheists are passionate about a world where we don't assume that everyone simply thinks like us, a world where we're curious about the other person. Objectivity and individuality will always be squashed with a mindset where a religious person walks down the street, sees someone who looks like them and so feels camaraderie in their assumption that they're of the same faith. Religion is often psychologically damaging to many people - no doubt, it offers peace to many as well. But these are important discussions that are being sacrificed due to the skewed mindset on part of the religious person and prioritizing niceties on part of the atheist. If many atheists can show interest and respect for who the next person is and what their views are, then that stops them from showing the same for us?

[@devonavant3497]

There is such a clear separation between those within the church and those who aren't. Not intelligence, but knowledge and understanding of history and how it applies to our current conditions.

[@LadyCharlamayne]

I found that to be a really captivating conversation among some very thoughtful, unique individuals.

[@DominiqueSpeaks]

Educated black men and women having an educated conversation is so refreshing. Thank you for this content!

[@thebestofallworlds187]

then read Thomas Sowell.

[@pipedownpaulneatyourpudding]

This isn’t a rare occurrence ! 🙄

[@Sincerelytahj8252]

I wish it was a more efficient conversation...this one disappointed in sooo many ways.

[@swindleacademy]

@@thebestofallworlds187People aren’t interested in losing brain cells.

[@user-vg5dj6qi9b]

@DominiqueSpeaks I was thinking the same. All intellectuals👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@mayacincosa6975]

The Catholic girl in the multi colored shirt touched on a fact I was going to make. Christianity has roots in Africa years before Europeans went there. Kudos to her.

[@HURT108]

It was a minority. Christianity was introduced to black people mainly through the Transatlantic slave trade. And since then it has been used to control and manipulate black people for the worst

[@kyiasimone1869]

Yeah, like ONE place 😂 Africa is HUGE, And there was only one country it was found in.

[@aadesida37]

@@kyiasimone1869most regions start in one place then spread. They took the gospel and spread it. That comment was to debunk that Christianity is not a white mans religion

[@stevonwhite8933]

@@aadesida37 Most of Africa did not believe in Abrahamic faiths, and did not start believing it by CHOICE…

[@sephoramandondo2548]

Not true though

[@theaimablejanell1560]

True Christianity is Not a religion but a Way of life...the 'religion' thought of it, makes it look weird.

[@kingrezz5201]

Omg the way everyone hugged and all at the end despite differing opinions was BEAUTIFUL!!!!!! THAT made my day!!!!❤❤❤❤

[@geneseperkins811]

me to :)

[@kingrezz5201]

@@geneseperkins811 truly a beautiful moment!

[@trinkie3440]

Tyler is saying he’s not reducing Roxy’s blackness while actively ridiculing and belittling her. 😐😐😐

[@me________]

He’s been living inside Twitter too much 😂😂😂

[@BlackPeerReviewTylerBurns]

Did I really?

[@TheQueenBrit]

@@BlackPeerReviewTylerBurns NO, you were on point. Christians are just exercising wilful ignorance in these comments

[@purpleflows5680]

@@BlackPeerReviewTylerBurns I didn’t see this while watching. I’d be interested if the OP had some examples because I’m a bit confused.

[@shauna.a8858]

@@BlackPeerReviewTylerBurnsyes you did, the same way u felt ppl naturally assumed u were Christian’s for being black as frustrating is the same way u some her race to one political ideology. It’s clear you failed to understand ppl having a different opinion to your own.

[@DumisaniEKadango]

Being an African and seeing how black Americans see Africa is so interesting. Come here then, come and open those businesses, come and do the change here. It’s really hard everywhere not just America.

[@Ash-sh9bo]

As a black American 🇺🇸, I will never understand why people look at Africans as incapable individuals who were forced to believe in Christ or any other belief without choice. This burns me up. People make it seem like Africans are just ignorant and need the saving of “Black Americans”. Absolutely ridiculous!

[@konpeitosama]

That's because we know nothing about a continent we have zero connections to and a lot of us believe that we do know about Africa, have roots to it, etc etc and it's cringe.

[@JK-rk9ze]

Thiiis

[@joec.1766]

Black people in America have been here for over 400 years, whatever culture we had from Africa is loooong gone. Our culture is exclusively American.

[@Alfred-ut4rn]

@@joec.1766 Honey, whatever makes u sleep at night

[@AsiaticWorldTv]

This was a powerful dialogue!!! I love it so much! Thank you!

[@Entooelle]

LOVE these longer form videos Jubilee. Keep it up!

[@lifeoflaroda]

Someone should tell Tyler the Bible doesn’t say, “his feet was BLACK as brass.”

[@chrischreative2245]

Yes, should have been instant correction there.

[@MB-mg6ky]

This is one of those you get the point things .

[@ani_cir]

And His hair was white like wool

[@SetInMotion]

Skin like brass (brown) and hair like wool (African).

[@MatthewBretton-cu2el]

It does say that though ...which bible have you not been reading?

[@adrianchristian5888]

The fact that the atheist lady said people assume and ask her what church do she goes too automatically tells you how much the black church has formed our black culture

[@youtubevideos3227]

If you need church to form your community then you are a weak one

[@KeonRouse]

It’s just a stereotype she does look like somebody spiritual auntie fasho… but all she has to do is respectfully say she doesn’t do church she does give study… that way you don’t have to explain that you’re an atheist and why etc…

[@diyalectic52]

"Formed" is different from the current stereotypical climate.

[@DanyPhantom-kp6dk]

Harry Potter is a better book to argue

[@antwongarrett42]

@@KeonRousenaw bro people shouldn’t lead off with questions about religion , sexuality , or politics

[@fruitsarelife7073]

Loved this conversation my Beautiful people ❤️❤️🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾😊

[@DampBiscuitt]

Christianity didn’t enslave our ancestors. People did. Christian doctrine doesn’t.

[@pahradahdinanini]

Yeah slavery is a curse not God's will

[@alexivian]

That’s a cop out excuse. Christian doctrine is 100% accountable as well. The Bible isn’t perfect and neither is Christianity.

[@maxboiiyeeet1041]

@@alexivianhuh?

[@AyYoWinston]

What’s the point of a moderator if all he’s gonna do is cut off everyone just let one dude speak?

[@dumbgenious1960]

Thought the exact same thing. It literally would’ve been better off without one

[@niavela66]

It’s probably the edit

[@1Atlkid]

Moderator is there push the conversation and keep things on track. If a mod notices certain points worth talking about, you’d create challenging questions for other to chime in on.

[@heatherdeitchman1409]

The moderator needs to moderate and pull other voices in and stop one voice from speaking over the others.

[@ST-df5lw]

Because that one dude is cool and he has swagger

[@adrien1623]

Black Christians vs Hebrew Israelites next please. I would definitely get my popcorn out for that one if ykyk

[@jasonrwhitingjr]

Oh that would be spicy 😆

[@cater2me1]

😂😂😂😂

[@adhkhjcdar634]

Who are Hebrew Israelites lol

[@nicolecooper1569]

Me too 🍿

[@luciannebeans6679]

You mean Jews? Israelis?

[@michaelsmith3069]

Roxie is really impressive. Intelligent, calm, thought out, able to listen. All around a benefit to see her in this conversation.

[@blackroyalness9780]

The simple fact that black people was introduced to Christianity via slavery is VERY strange and not alot of people talk about that

[@kaktustustus1244]

Not all black people. And nobody tried to deny that slavery played a major role

[@Cloudthe9th]

That’s not true, Christianity was in Africa before slavery happened

[@gracekerman]

Tyler needs a reality check. Being black isn’t the only quality that we have 🙄

[@Flock.chris_]

Fr

[@kory.j6561]

he hella nationalistic and ethnocentric

[@BushidoXBrown]

He never said that was our only quality stop putting words in people's mouths

[@erikarobinson3557]

@@BushidoXBrownThat’s basically what he said. Stop being mad at Christians for believing in Christianity. How about that.

[@user-vj4ss1ur2r]

@@erikarobinson3557 judging by your tongue you're the one getting mad. I didn't hear that. Christians act like being attacked for simple reasons. Nobody cares if your REALLY what to throw problem on wizard. Problem is anybody else is not willing to. Don't get mad. Or see anything other another wacky ancient books from ignorant barbarian that barely have wisdom swap kids with goat in sacrifice. That wouldn't work anyway.

[@deadbeatdel]

should’ve chose a better moderator for this one. this guy was so rude to let those guys cut off the lady speaking but when she was gonna speak he was like “let him finish”

[@ramsnation196]

Respect gen, harder than you think

[@hermanbrachey7653]

Easter worshippers get enough platform, let someone else "spread their belief"

[@spa33meister]

So do you or do you not want women to cook? 🤔

[@WesHuesos]

Disagree. Gen is a great moderator. The edit is probably influencing the way you're seeing things. Not the moderator's fault.

[@GEN]

@@WesHuesosappreciate that

[@joaoyla9385]

This was so intense 🔥. One of the best ever

[@nini_nunez]

I applaud this conversation. I lean one way but I can admit it was well articulated and gives more to think about ❤

[@AshleySaysSo20]

Tyler isn't atheist. He's super Pro Black. Please get REAL black atheists on the platform who won't just talk about Pro Black Issues. Let them talk of why they believe there's nobody above.

[@pedroantonio5565]

Huh? Being an atheist and being "pro-black" are mutually exclusive now?

[@F.A.W.M]

Yes!! Like someone who can really argue they don’t believe not because they believe something else

[@pedroantonio5565]

What's the correlation here between being those two things? I'm confused

[@ayeechelle1]

exactly- he pissed me off so bad.

[@ayeechelle1]

@@pedroantonio5565pro black has more to do with social justice/ political issues not religion.

[@Ophelia11]

That exchange between Tyler and Roxy irritated me. Who is Tyler to tell ANY black person what they should and shouldn't prioritize when it comes to blackness? He's NOT the authority and people like him are a reason why I have a HUGE issue with these so-called "pro-blacks". You don't get to police other people's blackness based on what YOU believe "blackness" is. Like she said, she's just as black as he is, and no amount of rhetoric is going to change that.

[@gunsorbutta]

The societal expectation placed upon individuals of Black heritage, suggesting a perceived responsibility to serve as representatives or ambassadors for the entire Black community. This expectation appears rooted in the reductionist view held by some individuals, wherein one's racial identity becomes the primary lens through which they are perceived and evaluated. In essence tho what Tyler is trying to articulate was fostering unity and collective action within the Black community holds immense potential for addressing systemic issues and achieving economic empowerment. By leveraging collective resources and mobilizing community efforts, opportunities emerge to establish and support Black-owned businesses, create educational initiatives focused on entrepreneurship and financial literacy, and empower future generations through quality education that fosters not just survival, but thriving

[@bakerm.]

Well said fam well said

[@ladyloveishere1838]

Plus its no such thing as defending myself as black. When we start needing to prove how black we are lol.

[@gloriouspurpose_]

its the most annoying part of these pro-black discussions, feels like someone is always trying to check your card. Or one-up your "blackness" while also saying the concept of blackness is an evil racist creation. Just obnoxious.

[@cleoeubank5526]

literally came to the comments to see if anyone else was noticing that

[@micah9593]

This was thoughtful and thought provoking! Keep up the wonderful work.

[@etherwxlf]

What's so amazing about this segment, which is a testament to us as a community, is that no matter how heated the conversations got, not once did it feel like anybody came from a place of anger and violence. It never felt like they were ever being spiteful or toxic, which is definitely a feeling in many other episodes.

[@alexrice1870]

The "upside-down" cross is actually incredibly Catholic. Peter refused to be martyred in the same way as Christ because he felt unworthy. He asked to be placed upside-down on the crucifix.

[@jean-pierre5221]

I guess the swastika is perfectly fine because it's a sign of peace to hindus?

[@marcus....]

symbols can mean multiple things. if a symbol is inverted, it usually means the opposite of what it initially represents.

[@whateverwhatever4026]

True, however people today don't know that and absolutely are trying to mock Christianity...

[@peteroroh8128]

playing semantics. at the end of the day are you wearing it because of that reason? No

[@erenjaeger1738]

So it got hijacked by satanic reddit

[@FirstNameLastName-sc2lm]

That moderator seems so scared of that big guy. It seems like he’s always allowing him to cut off everyone but not letting ppl interject.

[@UncleDexter]

Thank you, i thought i was the only one that noticed everytime 'let him talk let him talk' but he never had the same energy for anyone else

[@KimchiGang1]

It was annoying af

[@sarahlarock9885]

@@UncleDexterexactly! I kinda wish he didn’t join the group but stayed out of it all together

[@wop2784]

@@sarahlarock9885 Do u know how hard it is to moderate these types of questions and debates? Especially with a group of 8 ppl, so yea he did a fair job

[@ivykamendi1647]

i am very proud of how the Black Christian panel represented themselves and also the level of grace they had during the conversation. they did great

[@TaztheImmortal]

This episode is personally my fav. of all the Middle Grounds I’ve seen thus far. What a amazing topic…I grew up in a very religious family & could fully relate to both sides. Again, amazing job everyone…I wish I had more people in real life that I could speak with regarding this topic like all these fine people you had on the program. Thx again 👊🏾

[@meltes4308]

The atheists being offended when someone says “bless you” or “amen” to them is way to much

[@silvernightskin]

I don't think they were offened, I think they were pointing out how ingrained in society christianity is which went with the topic of " Christianity shaping the black comminity."

[@uscitizen3252]

@@silvernightskin 💯

[@couldntcomeupwithanything2492]

​@@silvernightskinexactly

[@IWILLBRINGBEAUTY]

It's only offensive to Christians when atheists don't agree with the same practices or lingo.

[@boparks3204]

They weren't offended. They said it is proof of the assumption of their Christianity as the default.

[@TubeCritic]

Tyler contradicted himself when he disagreed with Roxy when she pointed out that Tyler is treating black people as a monolith. He responds by saying all black people should put blackness above everything else…Sir that is literally what a monolith is. You are literally saying the black community should operate as a monolith by us all choosing to put blackness above everything else.

[@cosmicogun1908]

That’s not a contradiction

[@gunsorbutta]

The societal expectation placed upon individuals of Black heritage, suggesting a perceived responsibility to serve as representatives or ambassadors for the entire Black community. This expectation appears rooted in the reductionist view held by some individuals, wherein one's racial identity becomes the primary lens through which they are perceived and evaluated. In essence tho what Tyler is trying to articulate was fostering unity and collective action within the Black community holds immense potential for addressing systemic issues and achieving economic empowerment. By leveraging collective resources and mobilizing community efforts, opportunities emerge to establish and support Black-owned businesses, create educational initiatives focused on entrepreneurship and financial literacy, and empower future generations through quality education that fosters not just survival, but thriving

[@TheDarkAdventure]

That's not what a monolith is. A monolith is saying they're all the same. Not that we should use our resources to feed, house, and educate Black people. He didn't even say a specific type of Black people. What are you talking about?

[@ariyonnadennis559]

I think what he meant is that we need to be doing more…frfr and since you can really only focus on one thing at a time keep religion 👍🏽because everyone has their vice, their comforts nd stuff but we really do need institutions…we’ve kept our legacy’s through word of mouth,through ideas… long enough🤷🏽‍♀️

[@acespark2894]

Putting 'blackness over other things is black supremacy

[@missbossy143]

Love how they all hugged at the end. These conversations are needed because sometimes people just want answers and clarity. I pray they all come to know and accept Christ. 🥰🙏🏽

[@luisgarciaocampo2414]

Big dude didn’t eat before the debate boy feisty asf 😂

[@reecedye3549]

How many times did the "unbiased" commontator give Tyler the ground to speak before anyone else?

[@Random-sk6hm]

The whole video is heavily edited. Tyler unfortunately dominated the debate (as many of the extreme participants on Jubilee often do)

[@Lunearien]

​@@Random-sk6hm The mod probably gave him some chance to repeatedly explained his stance because other panelists seemed unwilling to accept his opinion and keep on missing his point and being defensive for whatever reason (at least that's how I see it)

[@syniahare8630]

​@@Lunearien he was the most defensive one there 🤦‍♀️

[@Xqvance]

Because he was being logical

[@ariyonnadennis559]

I think they would’ve said something if they minded it

[@aloe704]

*Roxie was a breath of fresh air.* *When she brought up the Ancient Ethiopian Tewahedo Christian community, I was so impressed! Everyone forgets about them and their rich history and indigenous culture!*

[@healingfoundations101]

Her channel is "That Black Catholic Chick." Love her!

[@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024]

You love her because she’s a Republican and hates herself. 💀

[@calebdavis381]

Everybody was respectful. What are yall watching?

[@aloe704]

@@calebdavis381 The Guy In the Yellow Shirt was definitely not Respectful

[@offbeatblackgerl8360]

​@@aloe704He was passionate.

[@danewelement]

I absolutely loved this!!! Great discussion!!!

[@Bluntgirly]

Really enjoyed this discussion ! One of y'all best

[@Twyisup]

Roxy ! What a woman of grace and integrity! The Holy Spirit is strong in her … patience and compassion in everything she said 🙌

[@kacatley9258]

agreed! Regardless if you are religious or non-religious...

[@Populardemand22]

Seriously! Because she tolerated a lot lol

[@miraclewiley7126]

Lol she was the one who got on my nerves

[@Bomb6A9Head]

gay

[@Phantastik6]

She was on point! She most def is anointed! I wish they had picked more people like her on the Christian side. I feel like they didn’t chose enough educated Christians for this one

[@jaitara3781]

What kind of moderator is this 😭😭 Tyler completely cut off the guy who was speaking and then he says “hold on let him finish” 😂

[@Random-sk6hm]

It was to let him elaborate and then return to them

[@jaitara3781]

@@Random-sk6hm if u look back he didn’t return a lot of the times when Rocky wanted to speak he never went back to ask her what she wanted to say

[@GEN]

@@Random-sk6hm exactly!

[@viewsandrates]

That's kinda what a moderator is supposed to do... Is to balance the speaking times for fairness. Let people finish their complete thoughts time permitting etc.

[@HashbrownMarie]

Bias.

[@Orius25]

This was one of the most civil and well-articulated MGs I have ever watched. Thank you so much!

[@jazp.1504]

I agree with Tyler on EVERYTHING EXCEPT the bless you part

[@michaelansah4287]

The black Christians represented Christianity very well. I like this discussion 🙏🏾

[@ilovepdub]

lol they were very innacurate like all christians

[@SorrySaitamaSolos]

@@ilovepdub Why are atheist so unhappy and ready to contest/humble everyone they see that doesn't believe what they believe in

[@SorrySaitamaSolos]

@@ilovepdub The most happiest athiest

[@justingary5322]

@@ilovepdub How so? I'm not inaccurate yet I'm a Christian

[@harrischannel3321]

@@ilovepdub innacurate how?

[@yawthesceptic5512]

As an Atheist, who lives in Africa we have it worst here. Is not easy being an atheist in Africa.

[@iarellano27]

What country? Hope you find the truth

[@jeffrianbanton5138]

in jamaica same thing.

[@Tacobellcheesyrollup]

@@iarellano27 jfc

[@Kagiso22]

Atheist South African here

[@yawthesceptic5512]

@@iarellano27 Ghana

[@annio._21]

As a server, I would like to see another middle ground discussion on tipping-service industry in America. What are the thoughts on how people feel about tipping. Should we tip or not. Is the system broken or not.

[@dancerjack1814]

An excellent group. Thank you for the glimpse inside the conversation.

[@zzzaaayyynnn]

Ethiopia is the second-oldest Christian country in the world. Armenia is the first. Africa was one of the first places Christianity flourished. And Roxy made some great points about individuality and identity.

[@inezaa]

east africa was the first place it flourished. not the entire africa.

[@zzzaaayyynnn]

@@inezaa you are correct.

[@JohnDoe-bh2lp]

Northeast Africa has always been a stronghold of Christianity until relatively recently. The Nubians followed the same form of Christianity as Ethiopia and were able to defeat the first Caliphate, the Rashidun Caliphate, twice in war until it broke from instability after nearly 1,000 years.

[@zzzaaayyynnn]

@@JohnDoe-bh2lp I've read that “religio-ethnic cleansing” is going on against Christians in that region.

[@rei1378]

Which has really nothing to do with Black American Christianity, the majority of them are not practicing Ethiopian Orthodox traditions.

[@montrealmitchell6694]

I think active listening during these kind of panels is essential, instead of solely waiting on your time to respond. Tyler definitely hijacked this debate. The purpose of the moderator is to mitigate someone doing what Tyler did.

[@ewatts9992]

True

[@ariyonnadennis559]

If it was a problem for any one of them during the convo I can almost promise you it would have been addressed

[@tyronpeterson4861]

@@ariyonnadennis559they did various times😂

[@BadBigBody]

Yeah, I wish they’d get rid of him. Who tf asked for a guy to sit with them anyway

[@alaneofmyown]

@@BadBigBodysomeone who wanted to get a rise out of the debate.. whoever chose him to sit in on this conversation knew what they were doing

[@kingDarius317]

That’s was very deep convo and I enjoyed they didn’t disrespect one another, they were respectful the whole 9!!!’ We need more conversation like this

[@laraklass5806]

Such a respectful discussion!! Not used to seeing it too often

[@aj6761]

As a black atheist, i appreciate the Christian talking points and positions in this exchange. Their overall world view aligns with mine even if we dont align theologically. I most specifically appreciated Roxi and her respectful but strong pushback

[@clckc]

Christian here! (but im white o.0) & that’s pretty cool, it’s really nice to see an atheist not shaming Christians for being Christian because I unfortunately see so much of that online and they give people like you a bad rep. U seem like a respectable person and I, well, respect you for that. Great comment!

[@24KLuxury]

⁠@@clckcyou’ll literally find any subset of a culture on the internet shaming the other side…that’s nothing specific to atheists. Plenty of Christians online doing the same thing to atheists. If you go out of your way and speak to an educated atheist in person I’m absolutely positive you’ll find they are respectful and aren’t trying to deconstruct your beliefs or shame your worldview.

[@SupportTheArts-yo8ox]

​@@clckc well, as I always say: every village has its idiots.

[@wander-wonder]

By definition being "atheist" means having no "theology" so i don't understand what you mean by "even if we dont align theologically" and i thing, their overall world view that aligns with yours is actualy the non "religious" component of that world view.

[@Chill-mm4pn]

Regardless of religion when it comes to armed security I got my people. I've marched and instructed people on how to build rifles, how to choose body armor, laws that pertain to conceal carry in our state. I've provided security at the Juneteenth event that was held a few years ago in our town. They christian, I'm pagan, either way I got you. Racists only see black they don't care if you're atheist or gay or anything else.

[@melchizedeck.]

Ole girl with the short blonde hair was clearly the educated in the room. Didn’t argue just listened and stated facts. Dude with Afro spiritual beliefs wasn’t an atheist and was super arrogant

[@Dante_Seth]

I can tell your Christian from this comment

[@junojx]

agree 1000%. she had class and you could tell, other dude was a mess.

[@ReelNinja1]

Sister with the dreads was very educated herself. She had to correct the short blond hair woman about the history of Christianity in the black community. Honestly, they all came off very educated.

[@dankfarrik8376]

Dude was racist AF but from the other side.

[@anyalawrence9692]

which one?

[@lenechac]

What a refreshing conversation amongst open minded intellects!! Kudos to the moderator as well👍👍

[@pieseldatches]

I wanna see a debate between homeschooling parents and parents who send their children to school since homeschooling is skyrocketing in USA.

[@markymoo5533]

AGREE

[@SpookyFae]

Yesss, as a parent of a child who will start kindergarten this year I'd love to hear from both sides of that bc I'm on the fence on what to do.

[@fandomkid1952]

I would much rather hear from the kids themselves-teens who have always been homeschooled vs teens who have always been in public school. The parents would have a different view of what they think their kids are experiencing and it would be much more interesting to actually see how it is impacting the kids from them

[@civilengineer3349]

I've went to public school, private school, and have been homeschooled. I would absolutely say homeschooling is better and Im going to homeschool my own kid until they demand otherwise. Bullying, by students and staff alike, is out of hand

[@fugpog685]

That would be interesting. Homeschooling has pros and cons like everything else. For me it put a negative impact on my social skills and academic performance. So I don’t think it’s going to be for every single child and I hate the fact that parents now have to resort something like homeschooling, which might be a hit or miss because of the lack of safety in brick and mortar schools.

[@nailativityt.3836]

@10:29 he really ended the convo to me. Unity before being black is to me OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM especially in the way he explained it. That is the best place to start.

[@Jess538]

I hope during the next conversation the mediator does a better job at leaving bias at the door and letting everyone finish their sentences.

[@bre777bre]

You ain’t lying ❗️ It was so blatant and annoying.

[@oshinofalakoju5749]

1000% agree with this!! It may even be helpful to cycle out mediators every now and then because he really missed the mark in this video tbh.

[@Horsy2345680]

Frrrrrr

[@julesv.1492]

100% agreed. Not letting certain people end their conversation... sentences... like come on; its obvious where your bias leans towards

[@takodadisember1860]

Gentle heathens don’t care for the word fr

[@christopherdavis1012]

Tyler, if you see this - Sometimes the best response is to simply listen.

[@newyorka7]

Yet tyler was spitting the most historical facts. Maybe you should be listening to tyler

[@christopherdavis1012]

@@newyorka7 I see you are also quick to talk, slow to listen. Historical facts are great, with proper context and the correct conversation. However Tyler derailed every conversation and question by trying to argue points that weren’t being discussed. He flatly ignored the premises of the questions in favor of espousing “facts” that no one was there for. And at every chance he got, he was dismissive of other “black” experiences that didn’t fit his narratives. Tyler was loud, possibly hurt, and flatly disrespectful.

[@newyorka7]

@@christopherdavis1012 dude it honestly just sounds like you disagree with tyler’s facts and are creating your own false narrative as to how what he was saying didn’t fit into the questions when they fit perfectly. He literally said he’s not there to invalidate anyone’s blackness so how was he dismissive of anyone’s black experience? He never cut anybody off or claimed there was a specific way to be black. The fact that you claim no one was there for the facts he presented shows your bias towards him. It really just seems like his facts go against your world view so you’re trying to paint him out as the bad guy when not only did he open up great dialect between him and the Christian’s, but mandisa and Darius were also clearly on the same accord as him. And are we watching the same video? Nowhere in this was he loud, or disrespectful. This was quite literally possibly the most respectful dialogue to occur on one of these types of videos.

[@christopherdavis1012]

@@newyorka7 🤦🏾‍♂️ you came under my comment thinking you found someone to play with. Stop. Go find someone else to bother with this nonsense.

[@newyorka7]

@@christopherdavis1012 no one is playing with you. Grow up

[@mymindistv]

@50:15 Mandisa's face when the wager is mentioned 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 That was AWESOME! I'm so glad she responded

[@Jade-3000]

This was such a highly educated episode more than the average ep, and yet just as exhausting as the regular jubilee episodes. . .

[@DARKTALiiS]

As a black atheist roxie was nailing it. The black guy who is a atheist was just very angry and wanted us to all think the same way while saying don't be same.

[@FreeBird2.0]

I agree. I am agnostic, but I really liked Roxie too

[@ImTiredOfThisChurch]

@@FreeBird2.0 I’ve made the same observation ! Thanks for pointing that out

[@Zimzable]

Roxie is the kind of Black Christian that us black atheists love to have as friends. At least, I would.

[@Random-sk6hm]

Black Atheist and I agree she was excellent and so well spoken. That guy started rambling and absolutely lost me towards the end.

[@blkanimeluvr]

Nah she is just a black conservative… all her opinions go back to black conservative talking points nothing about Christianity vs atheism.

[@humansponge]

Sorry guys. You gotta redo this one without Tyler. He hijacked this whole damn debate.

[@brittanies.3831]

💯

[@morganjanaeee]

no he ate

[@kassandrabrown3941]

@@morganjanaeee😂

[@RodZilla843]

Tyler needs a special! And I am a Christian.

[@NomadA1]

Tyler is just young and fired up out of passion.

[@joshuabrown2134]

They all had valid points... literally... this was an awesome video...

[@delvin3149]

I love this!

[@Nnwhenshs]

Mandisa was so respectful -educated- and well spoken, same with Don. I would’ve rather listened to the older folk talk about this honestly.

[@Selanaxfanx]

I used to see her on Matt Dilahunty's show years ago. She makes us black atheist women proud :) I hope one day she realizes shes making an impact just like the historical black atheists she mentioned at the beginning. Mandia's org is called "BlackNonBelievers".

[@Nnwhenshs]

@@Selanaxfanx omg thank you so much, I’ll check it out rn

[@celined7965]

No, she was not. There were many instances where she was making faces and judging when the people she disagreed with spoke

[@Selanaxfanx]

@@Nnwhenshs You're so welcome! Mandisa mentioned a few historical black atheist pioneers at the beginning of this video and I hope she knows she has contributed in the same way. I think her org is called "BlackNonBelievers". Enjoy :)

[@Selanaxfanx]

@@Nnwhenshs You're so welcome! Mandisa mentioned atheist pioneers at the beginning of the video and I hope she realizes shes had the same impact on Black atheists. Her org is "BlackNonBelievers".

[@KimmieJ1920]

You can tell by Tyler’s body language that he is closed to everyone else ideals but his own. You can tell he is listening to respond not to receive information and see another point of view. He’s very immature

[@BlackPeerReviewTylerBurns]

Great observation of body language but I actually crossed my arms to look better on camera 😕

[@masterree155]

accurate

[@alejandravelasquez4183]

Immature was the first thing I picked up

[@TheMariemarie16]

​@@BlackPeerReviewTylerBurnsYou can have a quick witted response to what everyone is saying but please try to receive the gist of what many viewers have been able to see here from watching you. Many responses are genuine and although you don't have to agree I sincerely hope you understand that usually if various people see some of these negative attributes in you that there might be a little something to what they are saying. You were dismissive of beliefs and opinions opposite of your own.

[@jaytheceleb6412]

@@TheMariemarie16from my interpretation he was very respectful. Only when he was accused of practicing black supremacy for discussing blackness is when I’d say he was “dismissive”. The entire discussion was about how blackness shaped religion, and his entire basis was instilling black communities with their own resources and not relying on external beliefs or practices.

[@estherspirit]

This was a dynamic panel discussion.