The Total Drama Reboot is Missing Something...

[@emme0731]

My one complaint with this season, really, is that it should have been one big 26 episode season, not two 13 episode seasons. I love the reboot but parts feel quite rushed and I feel the longer format would allow more character growth.

[@damonlam9145]

Well it’s still understandable why they were forced into a 13 episodes per season format, though I hope if this reboot does well enough enough and with enough fighting we might get a big 26 episode run for season three, but that’s unlikely.

[@asussurge670]

100% when it got down to around the final 4 I wish they went it the character dynamics more so we can at least see a reason why a character would want to double cross his alliance (trying to type with put spoilers).

[@nuibaba280]

The reboot didn't have a choice, Cartoon Network wants shorter seasons and Fresh TV's doing the best they could do with it.

[@jasongordon460]

​@asussurge670 I think it was really clear why this was the case. The character in mind could not beat two of the final four since they were comp beasts. One of these comp beasts had a really exploitable weakness though. So they devoured their ally because they couldn't beat them otherwise. Now if you asked why this same character betrayed their alliance in the final six, i don't have a good answer. They should've waited until final five to do that.

[@pillowvibes]

@@jasongordon460 I’m pretty sure they’d been under the assumption that their decision in the final 6 episode would’ve gone relatively unnoticed by their alliance partner, bc of the persons role in the challenge that episode. kinda like how another character voted against their alliance earlier in the season and nothing came of it. the only reason the alliance member even realized was bc of something another competitor said. imo they would’ve been fine with what they did in the final six had it not been for the quick emotional change between ppl in the alliance at the end of the challenge.

[@flarky6465]

I love that we can look back at Ridonculous Race and embrace it as much as the original 3 seasons.

[@eow4317]

Speak for yourself

[@ancestralabundance]

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[@pepsicannot]

I also embrace Roti

[@symptomofsouls]

I enjoyed RR the first time I watched it but after rewatching it last year I felt like it didn't have the same spark as the first 3 seasons. Mainly because it lacked the edgy humor. I do think it was comfortably the 4th best season though

[@enrifcp4315]

RR and the reboot are thousands better than Action

[@havk.]

I feel like this season works better if you look at it with the second season in mind. I think the whole Priya’s family thing (and other plot lines) will be expanded, as well as certain characters we didn’t see much of getting developed. Either that or the second season will just be incredibly boring…

[@damonlam9145]

Well the reboot was plan with the two seasons with 13 episodes in mind, so I doubt it would get boring when season two release.

[@nuibaba280]

Even then, this season did have unique strengths and certain things done better than prior seasons. The strategy and voting for one.

[@privernd]

This is what I was thinking as well. If every characters' arcs are just completed in the first 13 episodes, there wouldn't be much justification for a second half/season.

[@daisanity6457]

yeah, like Episode 5 felt like so much set up

[@TheRanker77]

I mean, they eliminated most of the interesting characters first so that we could see them do better later, and we don't have to see the characters who got farther now do better next season Caleb was going to be a nice guy, he could end up now as a villain Axel was bossy, now she takes a step back and tries to control herself Damien probably ends up winning with Axel Lauren gets some type of development explaining why she is how she is Nichelle gets an underdog route, and has tons of great "girl power" development and MK turns into more of an Antihero, basically a second Bowie. I'm hoping next season's order goes this way: 16: Ripper 15: Emma 14: Priya 13: Chase 12: Raj 11: Millie 10/9: Julia/Bowie MERGE 8: Zee 7: MK 6: Scary Girl 5: Wayne 4: Nichelle 3: Caleb Winners: Axel and Damien

[@ckm5702]

Having been a massive total drama fan as a kid it warms my heart to hear that the revival season is actually good, especially in a world full of revivals and remakes yet so few worth watching

[@stacieh799]

I think having Damien stay longer could make for an interesting dichotomy with Priya (and makes sense since they were close on the same team), with Priya literally being born to train to win Total Drama, while Damien having no knowledge of this reality show in his life until the moment he came onto it. However, he got good at the game quick too if that makes sense

[@AutumnOwlex]

I think the one thing I can really give this season props for is there is obvious set up to be payed off in the second season, and with being able to give the cast more screen time I'm hoping they really explore the cast to finish.

[@Mcloganberry]

My only big complaint is the length, they should really get back to 20+ episode seasons

[@damonlam9145]

Well as much as I want that too, its understandable why they couldn’t do it even if they wanted to, hopefully if the reboot does well they might do a big season.

[@BlueBlazeKing]

They’re doing a second season with the same cast, from what I’ve heard it’s due to Cartoon Network wanting shorter seasons, so the show runners are doing there best

[@ancestralabundance]

Right? 13 works for reality American television like Bad Girls Club lmao

[@c.lineofficial]

​@primordialdecay I watch that show!! Ayyy!!

[@ackee39]

I completely agree with the point with the challenges being more boring. What made the original three seasons so great was that even though the challenges were entertaining, they moreso served as an excuse for fleshing out the characters and their relationships, and not just being “extreme”, and it sucks to see this show get it so wrong.

[@nuibaba280]

But the writers confirmed that these challenges for the reboot existed entirely as an excuse for characters to interact with each other and it really shows. The real issue is the shorter seasons, the character dynamics and effort is here. We have entire scenes of Bowie and Emma just being friends and chatting.

[@ackee39]

@@nuibaba280 for me, thats not enough… just having them interact as a result of the race is boring and disconnects the challenges with the chatacters themselves. As mentioned in the video a lot of them are just races with increasing levels of “EXTREEEEME!!” which isnt very creative, and doesnt work much to highlight anything interesting about their character other than their ability to race. A lot of the challenges in the first seasons showed us stuff about the characters that was much more general, like the episode with their fears, the one in the wild, etc, which all highlighted stuff about them that fleshed them out to be much more interesting, and provided a link between the challenges and the drama. Without that link, its just whiplash between challenges and character stuff, and they could barely do any of the latter anyways, partially due to this lack of connection and a need to have a ton of challenges. I hope this highlights what I was trying to get at with my original comment.

[@pepsicannot]

the three seasons had these types if extreme challengies

[@nuibaba280]

@@ackee39 That's just wrong. A lot of characters got things shown off about them in creative ways. It went beyond the ability to race they were also problem solving and shit. The argument that Gen 1 was fleshed out just for speaking fears is nonsense. No one gave a shit about Tyler and Beth in Season 1 for example. They are not nearly as deep and fleshed out as you're arguing for. That's your nostalgia talking. Characters like Noah didn't do shit there's an entire video ranting about how wasted he was.

[@ackee39]

@@nuibaba280 you listed a grand total of three (3) out of like 25 characters that were wasted in season 1, while gwen, owen, courtney, duncan, heather, leshawna, lindsay, and way more all have arcs and incredibly fleshed out characters even just within the first season. This season has some chatacters that are kind of funny, but they’re nowhere near as fleshed out at the first season. Thats partially the thirteen episode limitation, but its also what i said in my previous comments. As for noah, yes, he was a wasted chatacter and i have watched that video in question. However, this video lists untapped potential with more than half of the cast here. I don’t think that this revival is a complete waste, its funny at least and theres some interesting challenges but you cant possibly argue that these characters are anywhere close to the complexity in most of the season 1 cast

[@SillyBillyDucky]

Hi there, one of them fans here! (You put my thumbnail in your vid at 5:09, thanks for that by the way! :D) Awesome disection of the new season. It's sad to see that your main takeaway is that the new season is 'missing something' but after watching your review I fully agree with your viewpoint. To me, the new season is a fantastic back-to-its-roots season. Coming from Pahkitew as the last mainline TD season it's so refreshing to see some relatively 'normal' stereotypes again. To me, the big issue is that - once again - this was a thirteen episode season, which means you lose on so much of the possible development as a 26-episode season. No surprise then that you put the four seasons that do allow for 26 episodes at the top. For me it's not a big bother JUST YET, purely because of the knowledge of a second season with all the returning cast members, allowing for basically a 26-episode run but spread over two thirteen-episode sagas. The season showed a lot of potential and leaves a to long for and desire from a second season, after which I think we can deffinitevely say if Total Drama is indeed back to its former glory or not. Anyways thanks for the fun video and for keeping Total Drama in the mainstream media!

[@BhavitAnand_]

SILLY GANG!!!

[@ashy_inking1476]

Heyy, Silly Billy :), I love your Disventure Camp vids

[@Kapuccinow]

No way silly billy

[@OelisCatus]

SILLY GANG

[@MiArblys]

Bro you didnt even watch ep 11 you got spoiled hard

[@karlispovisils5297]

I personally really enjoyed the season's characters personally, especially Bowie, Zee, MK, Julia, and Millie (she was the most relatable character imo). I think they do a solid job catering to gen-Z. I do understand your complaint about the challenges, though and I hope that the next season expands its horizons in terms of challenge archetypes. I also forsee that this next season will give a lot of the characters development, specifically Emma, MK, Caleb, and Nichelle.

[@Du-yw1pz]

Don't forget Axel and Damian to

[@karlispovisils5297]

@@Du-yw1pz Damien is definitely in my top half. Axel may get bumped up if she has enough screen time next season

[@nuibaba280]

Based

[@Tele230]

yeah my favorite thing about this season was the characters too. pahkitew felt too gimmicky instead of giving actual teenagers

[@xvgm24]

@@Tele230 This season was exactly another pahkitew in terms of many of the characters haha. Axel, Scary Girl, Raj & Wayne, Ripper, Chase and Zee would fit right in with the pahkitew cast.

[@edmundliankalang5925]

Fun fact: Don's VA becomes Chris' new VA because the old Chris VA decided to become him in real life.

[@Cjaj2]

you know I will say I think the contestants acted more like normal teens, there were moments with raj and wayne, zee, hell even chase and Emma where I was like hey I went to highschool with these people

[@nickalvarez8716]

Damien is the most realistic TD character and felt like DJ done right.

[@xvgm24]

Tell that to Scary Girl hahaha.

[@Cjaj2]

@@xvgm24 I went to school with a person who wore purple eye shadow and said she wanted to drink blood. Scary girl isn't too far off lol

[@dariusbrawl3759]

Few things to note: -There's a confirmed "9th" season (mind you, it's better described as a pt. 2 to the season, alike to 5/6) -Each season has 2 endings, with the cannonical winner never being disclosed (save for owen)

[@jp9480]

i’m surprised you didnt mention the fact that there’s more strategy in this season than in probably any other season

[@nuibaba280]

He didn't mention any of the season's unique strengths and it's disheartening.

[@jp9480]

@@nuibaba280 literallyy

[@devondonato4609]

the strategy was stagnant until like final five?

[@AedraRising]

@@devondonato4609 Did you miss Bowie’s reasons for getting rid of Caleb, MK’s plan to download the confessionals and stay under the radar, Julia masking her true personality at first and when revealed becomes absolutely determined to win immunity every challenge, the alliances, and Bowie using Julia/MK’s phone to discover Millie’s secret to break apart her and Priya’s friendship? I swear this season had the most strategy in the entire series. The hell you mean it was stagnant?

[@nuibaba280]

​@@AedraRising He clearly did, this cast is shady as hell and plays to win.

[@katobemadness3484]

Man I still remember when Action came out and they let their viewers do a live 'mock' vote on their website. That was a wild time for middle school me.

[@hilotakenaka]

The character designs for me just all feel a bit… Samey. Some characters had extremely similar faces, hair styles, clothing styles, and more. In comparison, every contestant in the prior seasons (excluding the twins for obvious reasons) had something that was unique to them. The new characters feel less like characters and more like the results from a “flash-TDI-character-creator”

[@MsMvsc]

Literally how? Who looks samey?

[@hilotakenaka]

@@MsMvsc Damien and Caleb are extremely similar facially, Nichelle and Julia have extremely similar face and hair shapes, Wayne and Caleb have the EXACT same face shape. I think what also doesn’t help is that it feels like they have a far more limited colour palette in terms of hair and skin colour. Most of the TDI characters had completely different skin tones and hair colours, even if it was only slightly so

[@grimxdisstracks3178]

@@hilotakenaka I just don’t see it 💀

[@sameyfan612]

@@hilotakenaka Literally what are you and your upvoters watching? The reboot's cast has a huge variety of different skin colors, literally the most diverse cast in that regard, many characters have different hair colors and eye colors as well, Caleb and Wayne don't have the exact same face shape at all and I'm sure you are confusing the characters here, Wayne was the dirty blonde hockey jock, while Caleb was the muscular black pretty boy. They look unique for the most part and definitely characters that belong in the TD universe. Also why are people so obsessed with how Total Drama characters look anyways? What's most important is how these characters are written, not how they look. Also if you complain about Caleb and Damien having some similarities facially, you might as well complain about how the almost half of the first gen girls have the same skinny stomachs, how Lindsay and Gwen have the same lower body, and how Noah and Duncan have the same lower body. TD has created over 100 characters, ya'll can't seriously expect them all to look unique, no show is able to do that.

[@strawberrysoulforever8336]

@hilotakenaka I don't agree, but I'm writing a fanfic based on this season and my OC is a redhead mainly because this cast didn't have one.

[@ChalupaChups]

Us 2004 kids must stick together out here. It’s some savages out there

[@HeartAttackMan004]

Amén

[@UnknxwnXL0]

Aye I’m a 2004 kid as well! Represent!

[@athenabaer3185]

🤝 Could not agree more, sib

[@snekdrek]

2004 baby right here. A-freakin-men

[@noodlexdoodle]

2002 here go my younger siblings go !

[@mechajay3358]

What's definitely missing is Chris's original voice. The new voice is a complete 180.

[@privernd]

You're the first person I've seen who's mentioned MK being a parody of Awkwafina. I was starting to think I was reading too much into it.

[@MachemRodez]

As with all the 13 episode Total Drama seasons, I think their length pulled their potential short of what they could be. Unfortunately, that's a network decision, not one of the show's writers, but I'm looking forward to the rematch season with this cast, as they definitely need more development!

[@sirchris6047]

but roti is the best season?

[@dylfortune7384]

I’m at least glad to see this show again. As someone who grew up watching this show, it’s nice to see that this show can still provide me some entertainment. I just hope that in the second season, characters that didn’t receive more attention will play a bigger role this time.

[@hammythewammy]

Don't compare my boy Scott to Ripper. . .

[@Axolotlian]

Chis honestly just deserves a show on his own.

[@Kobaaming090]

I mean that's technically his show

[@HankJWimbleton-v1m]

You know, I've always viewed Chris McLean as the villain protagonist of the entire show.

[@Axolotlian]

@@HankJWimbleton-v1m I don't think the show would of worked nearly as well with a different type of character as the host. The satire hits much harder with him being slightly villainous is a great juxtapose versus typical reality show host that try and present themselves as wholesome and on the side of the contestants.

[@bronykingamethystrain5676]

Not with Terry McGurrin doing Chris' voice!

[@strawberrysoulforever8336]

We also learned from Episode 6 that MIllie loves being flung by a catapult. Also, just not liking being flung is not the same as screaming and fainting intermittently. Also, I'm pretty sure we learned that Zee does drugs. Probably has acid and orange soda cocktails. And the kiss finally happened - you know it's serious when the biggest strategist was willing to overshoot instead of getting points just to rescue a crush. And I know Bowie did get another three thousand points before somersaulting into the tapioca, but Julia was the one handling the catapult, so that was more her doing. I thought the beauty of this season was that there was more room for characterization before and after challenges. We got lots of dynamics, and it's also the first time we had so many strategists who were not treated as villains, just antagonists. Bowie may refer to himself as a villain, but it's pretty clear that he's not evil, while Julia is a villain and unapologetic about it, and MK is...I'm hoping she'll be the main antagonist next season because people will have forgotten her after Bowie and Julia upstaged her. I did make some comparisons, though. Like, I love Priya so much, but I think it's because she feels like Sky done right. More expressive, more flawed.

[@nuibaba280]

I'm glad you're pointing out more positive aspects than Just Stop did.

[@strawberrysoulforever8336]

@ヌイババNuibaba Thanks. I think the season was a bit rushed, but on the whole, good for what we got. My main issue was Emma getting back with Chase. I hope they break up for good next season. I also have my own picks about who I'd like to go far, but for what we have so far, I think a lot of characters were more fleshed out than this video would have you believe, although I can't argue that Julia was interesting, but I never liked her as much as I liked the finalists. Bowie took about three episodes to become my favourite, even though I rooted for Priya to actually win pretty much starting from the merge.

[@nuibaba280]

@@strawberrysoulforever8336 I think Emma works for what she is. She's just as toxic as Chase and her and Chase are a satirical parody of awful modern relationships. I think they work well for that purpose.

[@Mcloganberry]

We need a season 2 of Rindonculous Race!!! It was so fun and I think it’s a format that really works for Total Drama

[@adrianarias-hernandez7472]

Finally someone says it! Ridonculous feels like a true way to successfully flesh out the personality while seeing some potential challenges

[@lol707lol]

yes ! also this might sound dumb but another rr season with all the original td characters just seems sooo interesting to me

[@demetriomattiarusso3049]

Katie-Sadie (i don't know why they weren't already in the first RR) Noah-Owen Justin-Caleb Izzy-Lauren (?) Cody-Sierra Beth-Lindsay Courtney-Scott (they could have repeared thier romance) Harold-Cameron Trent-Damien (?) Bridgette-Geoff Dj-Ella Leshawna-Gwen Duncan-Ripper (in conflict...or maybe not?) Heather-Alejandro Dakota-Sam B-Dawn Anne Maria-Nichelle Mike-Zoey Jo-Lightning (in conflict) Amy-Samey (in conflict) Topher-Blainely Max-Sugar Jasmine-Shawn Axel-Brick Wayne-Raj Chase-Emma (with a lot of "difficult periods") Millie-Priya

[@Julian-lz5pd]

I'm a huge fan of the final 6 challenge, honestly. It's LITERALLY just a Survivor challenge and I'm here for it

[@thahitscan]

there's absolutely no way i'm a year older than you wtf, keep it up man you've got something special cooking up with this channel saludos desde México :D

[@guardian08527]

13 episode seasons are always lacking because they miss those "non elimination" episodes which are more about building characters interactions between the teams.

[@Colby2D]

I think my favorite challenges were the catapult and them standing on the poles for the reasons you mentioned of this slows down the pace enough to actually have dialogue and character interactions. The challenges were very weak this season but the characters did interact a lot with each other where they felt personal

[@asussurge670]

I wish this new season had more episodes for pacing sake, when it was down to the final 4 it felt way to rushed, but a really great return season and I’m soo hyped for more.

[@thegayghost872]

I actually really liked Bowie, I was afraid of how Total Drama would handle their first gay character but he turned out pretty likeable, even if he was sort of a villain

[@symptomofsouls]

Wasn't Owen technically the first gay character before Izzy hypnotized him with the snake dance?

[@AedraRising]

@@symptomofsouls Eh, I feel like Owen’s pretty clearly bisexual.

[@LittleDevilAkuma]

@@symptomofsouls Well Bowie did clarify himself as the fisrt OPENLY gay contestant

[@strawberrysoulforever8336]

@Stormy I caught that too. It was implied with multiple characters but not confirmed until this point.

[@DioTheGreatOne]

Bowie singlehandely ruined this season for me. The worst part is how they paired Raj with Bowie because ''Oh, they're both gay so they should date'' even though there's absolutely Z E R O chimestry between them. Their ''relationship'' is so forced that it felt like watching a kid making their dolls kiss. Raj and Wayne woulde be a waaaaaaay better pair.

[@Galaxybee73]

i don’t really mind ripper in that he feels like the same type of character as somebody like Snowball or maybe even Blocky from BFDI. Like a lot of the humor comes from the fact that he’s just, kind of a huge bully. But i suppose they don’t fully commit to that bit, either…

[@FNIGTOABN]

It's missing Chef. They replaced him with his twin that actually cares about the contestants like he works at a fuckin day care

[@gamerkane1813]

Honestly I like almost every character in this season, sure Axel is just Shawn and Eva mixed and Michelle had little to her but the only character I genuinely wanted gone was Ripper and he was made to be hated. We didn't get another Mal, or Blainely or pretty much everyone from Pahkitew Island so I call that a win. Also I will take to my grave that Scary Girl was great she just had her potential wasted.

[@a18yearoldonyoutubeluigi]

I applaud you. It's honestly impressive how you started doing this at freaking 14. Like I'm 16 and could only imagine making such content. Keep going man.

[@Syngrafer]

When I was 14 I made some really terrible YTPs. That was about 15 years ago now. Just Stop is surprisingly mature when compared to other KZbinrs around his age.

[@supernovaSGM]

OMG. I almost swore I was dreaming during this video. I had to pause like 10 times to realise the music I was hearing was from the Skullgirls OST. Wicked stuff dude.

[@bit.ter.swee.t]

5:34 THANK YOU I cannot thank you for saying its worse than RR people have been BASHING IT for years when tbh I think it was the PERFECT return. I mean the characters and plot points and twists worked great and everything was just well… well planned! I like the new cast I didn’t NOT enjoy this but.. GOD RR is so underrated sometimes

[@8nicopink868]

Thank you SO much for criticizing the lack of a theme in this season. It's really one of my biggest problems with it, especially since I think every season before it post-Island had a great theme, it sometimes being better than the season itself. (TDAS had SO much potential ugh.) I also enjoyed the season and think it's one of the better ones alongside Island, World Tour, and Ridonculous Race. (Not Action though, I think Action is pretty bad.) But I felt like it was missing something, and though I definitely have my own reasons for why that is that aren’t necessarily yours, I'm glad you spoke my mind with that one point.

[@brainstorm623]

Massive spoiler here: I was kinda hoping that Priya would win the season, get the million and call out her parents for being so, fucking, crazy and tell them on air that she was gonna use the money to live her own life and never come back home.

[@davidanthonymercado7064]

That would be pretty cool. Maybe that’ll actually happen in season 2? But I’m actually pretty satisfied that Priya won since I grew to really like her.

[@nuibaba280]

@@davidanthonymercado7064 Same

[@fonsales5373]

14:07 She reminds me Harley Quinn so much, that I am just confused why they didn't renamed her from scary girl to clown fiasco.

[@PunchandJewelee90]

she’s nothing like harley quinn toots. Sure, she looks like what people think of harley quinn as (a ditzy annoying edgelord) but for what it’s like she’s nothing like the original harley.

[@NerdMiGerd]

I'll be honest, I just wish the show would get off the island again. Both Action and World Tour were amazing because they got to work in fresh locales, which lead to more interesting themed challenges, and also a sense that things were progressing. Ever since they returned to the island, and barely left it since, the show's just felt so hollow and stagnant. I just want them to find some new settings again.

[@gooseyt994]

I agree with you that a different environment would definitely benefit the show. But let's not kid ourselves action was only good because of the different location other than that it was pretty lackluster.

[@fataldisc]

In my opinion this season felt so empty because the characters dont form any noteworthy relationships with each other which was like a big part of the apeal of the first season

[@nuibaba280]

They literally do though. Chase/Ripper, Millie/Priya, Bowie/Emma, etc are noteworthy. And no one formed anything with any of the pre merge boots in S1. Sadie stopped doing anything once Katie was eliminated. This feels like double standards.

[@Cole_Is_A_Mole]

7:10 why does it seem like there are 2 Camerons?

[@MathieuLeblanc1991]

19:13 I heard it was due to him being a college teacher in Niagra Falls now after the recording sessions for DramaRama ended ( He was back as Jude for that). At least it's a fellow 6teen actor doing the voice now

[@dontemorgan1517]

My issues with it is that it's rush because 13 episodes with a huge cast is not a good thing when it's not giving enough time for character development, and plus the lack of originality where previous Total Drama always come up something new and fresh while the reboot rehashed old ideas from past seasons. I say it's an alright reboot but not the greatest. If the show gets more seasons will hopefully get new content and characters get flesh out more.

[@Rei_Foxgodwhorshipper]

14:38 okay, so here’s a little funfact, the voice actor for bowie was the same for character like “kaworu nagisa”, meaning that this straight man voice acted as two gay character

[@doctorgrubious7725]

and? who gives a shit

[@tovarischkrasnyjeshi]

baby cartoons was a late 80s, early 90s thing. 70s cartoons looked like Scooby Doo knockoffs, 80s cartoons was when it became legal to market toys with cartoons so care bears, mlp, transformers. When that fad died, that's when the baby cartoons came, a pup named scooby doo being, like, the only good one, while others like yo yogi basically killed the character.

[@brainstorm623]

"Total Dramarama has more episodes than the OG series" Yeah, because Total Dramarama's episodes are only, like, 10 minutes long. Therefore they can pop them out a lot faster. That's like bragging about how "I could eat more jellybeans than you can eat burgers".

[@Rei_Foxgodwhorshipper]

5:03 as an italian this feels so random, why in italy of all places, i mean, it’s cool to get something earlier for one time but it definitely didn’t have much success as i didn’t know about the reboot until now

[@elcactusdelamuerte506]

The finale being based on luck is pretty much par for the course of the franchise. I’m guessing it’s so they can have the other player win in Canada or US (ngl I’m not sure which version the European one mimics) as usual without putting any effort into coming up with a completely new race

[@nuibaba280]

This. All TDI finales involve a degree of luck

[@_vlpin]

It's based on voting, at least it used to be.

[@nuibaba280]

@@_vlpin No? Owen and Gwen had to race from Point A to Point B. The finale isn't really based on voting.

[@strawberrysoulforever8336]

@EchoAmongClouds You're thinking of Survivor. The only season based on voting is Total Drama Action, and that's only because the finalists tied for the last challenge, so Chris allowed for a Survivor-style jury where everyone who competed could ask a question, then vote. This never happened again. Season 5 didn't even bring everyone back in either half, only bringing back people to help the finalists.

[@elcactusdelamuerte506]

@@strawberrysoulforever8336 no what he meant was you could vote on who the winning finalist was. For every season in the US Cartoon Network held an irl vote usually in the week leading up to the final or in one case during the first half of a two episode finale. Supposedly they aired the person with the most votes out of the two or three contestants win, however at the time people said it was rigged and honestly probably was what's the likelihood that the vote always ended on the guy or gal who didn't win in Canada where the finale was typically aired first. But yeah the dude isn't talking about survivor although it's very much a you had to be there to know about it sort of thing so I get why you weren't aware

[@NotTheAutomaton]

Oh god. There's people born in the same year as me critiquing and reviewing things for a wider audience to view. I knew this day would come. My young-adult life has been put into perspective and I am strangely motivated to make some form of art now. Regardless, great video dude! Keep up the good work!

[@Captain_FIipper]

Saving this video for later, still need to watch it

[@Marabo77]

It’s a step in the right direction at worst

[@vavarietyamari7342]

I fully agree with your thoughts here. While I thoroughly enjoyed the season there was something missing, that in my opinion host been replicated that well in other seasons and that is those points and challenges where we build characters and get to know them a bit more. But I will say I loved Wayne and Raj, they were just like zee. Not the brightest but extremely entertaining 😂😂

[@loodgack]

I agree with a lot of statements and points you made. I liked the reboot - watched it in one sit - and for my biggest luck, I left the series off at TDA (we simply didn't have CN during that time) so I could straight up compare the two TDI seasons without any other addition, the original and the current one. for some weird reason, I love Chris, he is the only sadistic monster character who I love. ever since TDI first aired. I did watch the series because of him. and while I'd like to finally know, what the hell happened with him as child, that made him to be like that, we'll most likely not get to the bottom of it. basically, I was thirsty for Chris and Chef moments in ths current season, because they are cool. as for the contestants, I didn't specifically like anyone, but the others you mentioned, and because of the reasons you mentioned them. there wasn't enough space for character development and we didn't get to know them well enough, to be able to bond. I thought the person who won it, will do something with their life now that they got a ton of money, which they probably needed (not spoiling) but in the end of the day, their life probably did not change the way they secretly wanted it to change. so I was "meh" when they won. because of this, I couldn't care less about any of the teens. or maybe I'm just too old lol, they are literally 16 and I'm almost twice their age. this new season worked with an already estabilished formula, and as soon as you work by that, and not try new and wild things as experiment, this happens. so I guess that was the main reason, why people don't feel like this season has offered anything new, or was different from the others. but ugh holy shit. I entirely forgot about one of the creators' disgusting fart and vomit fetish and I was eating while watching the series....uhhhhhh. instant regret.

[@nuibaba280]

But people do feel like this season offered anything new. The massive focus on strategy rather than saving strategy for the antagonistic characters is one or the many well received things of this new season.

[@Bogfrog1]

One of the few instances where a next season is not just wanted but needed

[@kingbash6466]

This show sorta feels like those kinds of reboots. It's not awful enough that people will distance it from the rest of the franchise, but it's not good enough to be considered a worthy alternative to the original show. It's the perfection example of a show being mid.

[@ivancastro5940]

So like the Beavis one?

[@MsMvsc]

Nah, it's pretty consistently in people's top 3. usually behind season 1 and RR.

[@nuibaba280]

​@@MsMvsc Based

[@ashborn7343]

@@MsMvsc again opinion

[@nuibaba280]

@@ashborn7343 Doesn't change that people "not considering it a worthy alternative" is a stupid and incorrect claim. Especially when it's not a full fledged reboot of the show, it's a continuation, it's only reboot in name and gimmick. Shawn and Owen are still referenced.

[@doomcool7960]

I felt it was missing character interactions it was if they were there for just the game which they were but I feel what made the show so likable was the interactions they had with one another

[@nuibaba280]

But characters did interact, it just had a faster pace.

[@phillinsogood]

I would really love to see the fans come up with plots, challenges, characters etc. The series’s writers could use some help

[@ThickSteven]

Ever since they switched from 26 episodes to 13 I feel like we never have enough time to flesh out everyone

[@karyuu0767]

JS have you ever watched Detentionaire? If no I think you should give the show a try, it's a canadian cartoon about a teenager that gets blamed for a big prank in school, and gets detention for a whole year. So he sneaks out of detention to prove his innocence, however on the way he discover several mysteries surrounding the school. Very underrated, barely ever seen someone talk about it. 53 episodes all on KZbin.

[@josephnewsome2935]

I watched that show and I think it should’ve had 5-7 more episodes to explain everything else

[@TheDigitalApple]

Anyone else find out about the Total Drama reboot through this video?

[@Cinnajeff]

We're the same age!? I need to take some vocal classes

[@bronykingamethystrain5676]

This reboot screwed up two things. Making vomit rainbow colored, and not bringing back Christian Potenza to voice Chris. The new guy doesn't even make Chris sound like the Chris McLean we all know and love to hate.

[@tdgeoff]

have u watched the vomit episode

[@efogodo3013]

There are many things about this review that don't sit right with me at all. 1) Total DramaRama is not a babies show. All of its episodes, jokes and stories are clearly made for kids around 6-11, and the characters act that way as well. It's easy to say that it is a baby show by only looking at its concept, but if you actually watch any of the episodes, which you clearly didn't, it's obvious that it is a show like Teen Titans Go or even something as old as Dexter's Lab. Just mindless comedy for kids to laugh at and be entertaining by. It also only has more episodes than OG TD because its episodes are only half as long. It is nowhere near as bad as the internet makes it out to be, yes that fart fairy thing was garbage, but none of the other episodes of the show are anything like it. 2) Not all of the old characters looked like potential main characters, nor did all of them have a design where you can immediately tell what their personality is. Can you honestly really tell me, without watching any episodes, what Trent's personality will be like? Or Bridgette's? Or Cody's? or Ezekiel's? The Revenge and RR cast are even worse in that regard, the only characters from RR where you can somewhat get what their personality will be like are the ones that wear uniforms. You would have absolutely 0 idea what Dwayne and Junior would act like, or even Kitty and Emma. This criticism people have about the new cast design's always felt so rose-tinted and dumb to me. Total Drama always had character designs like these before, and so do most other shows in existence. The new cast also clearly has designs where you can get an idea on what the personality of these characters will be like. Axel, Bowie, Wayne, Raj (who wear hockey jerseys so it's clear they will have a thing for it, which they did. It isn't any different from people thinking Tyler will have a thing for sports because he wears a tracksuit), Julia, and without a single doubt Scary Girl and Zee, who both ended up being exactly like what people thought they will be like after looking at their designs. Goofballs. I heavily disagree about Bowie and Damien lookings like OCs too. 3) I don't get your criticism about the gross food eating challenge. The rainbow colored barf wasn't added there to make the challenge more brutal, it was clearly added there to make the barfs themselves look less disgusting. The poles challenge was a clear homage to Survivor, which also has a challenge like this in it. It has some similarities to the awake-a-thon, but the difference here is that Chris constantly tried bribing them with things to lose the challenge, which is again, what Jeff Probst also does to the contestants in this challenge. 3) The challenges being used to expand the characters personalities was ONLY a season 1 thing really. Even your favorite season, World Tour, most of its challenges are races, and the characters don't really get expanded upon because well, the prior seasons already did that. Alejandro and Sierra do get expanded upon, but it was a 26 episodes season and they were the only newbies in the cast. With a show that has more than 6 seasons and a spin-off, it shouldn't be a shocker to anyone that they can't come up with completely new and original challenges, that also expand on the 16 brand new characters, in a season with only 13 episodes. 4) Your "least worthy to most worthy of screentime" list makes no sense. Why are Scary Girl and especially Zee so high when they were just comic relief characters with no story? Oh, is it because you like them more than the characters with actual storylines? Then why aren't you just calling this a list of the characters you like the least to who you like the most? To me it also feels like you are being very unfair to most of these characters, and purposely ignore a lot of their good qualities, Bowie being the biggest example of this, but even Zee a character you claim to like is a character you could've, and should've mentioned how he's an amputee, and the great way the season handled it. In fact, you didn't mention at all how the season handled its LGBT storyline either, and how neither of the characters involved with the story were just gay and that's it. The show did a great job with how it wrote it, it didn't feel like pandering, and it deserves praise for it. Actually the season in general did a lot of great things previous seasons either didn't do, or did worse, and you gave them 0 mentions. How strategy was so important in this season, Chef's fresh new role and how it impacts the tension of the eliminations, I can go on. Axel also wasn't entirely like Shawn, literally the only thing they have in common was being athletic and having a thing for zombies, which for Axel was only brought up once. She was more of a second Eva if anything. 5) Your criticism about the soundtrack. First of all, I disagree with it being generic, they sound cool especially the elimination music. But secondly and most importantly, questioning why it's there makes no sense. The new season is a reboot. Of course it's gonna have a new soundtrack. 6) Chris being the only thing you weren't disappointed by goes completely against everything good you said about the season before, such as its humor, which you said at the beginning you really liked. When you say stuff like this, it's hard for me or to really believe you actually liked the season. 7) If you say you want it to succeed, making a video like this where you spend most of the time criticising it, before the season even officially releases in its most important countries (US and Canada), is really not going to help the show at all in the slightest bit. You're scaring away people from watching and supporting it more than anything.

[@nuibaba280]

Based

[@galoostic]

gather that flop

[@ashborn7343]

@@galoostic on naw mald💀

[@m56214]

Disgusting that you would compare Dexter's Lab with Dramarama

[@efogodo3013]

@@m56214 Why? They're both simple comedy shows with no continuity and super simple premise, they're comparable. Also fun fact, Dexter's Lab had an entire episode revolve around a fart joke too.

[@Terrencetheterrible]

This season is like if pahkitew island was autistic

[@nuibaba280]

This is better than Pahkitew and one of the best reviewed seasons.

[@cesaracosta362]

I mean is true that there was a lack of character development but they went ALL ON with the characterization of the whole cast and that was something that really got me into the whole season. I felt everything squished and I guess it happened due to the 13-episodes format but the fact that at the end Chris said there would be a second chance made me happy. Many characters have a lot untapped potential

[@ignorant1126]

It's night and day comparing Pahkitew's cast and this one. They had an evil twin, evil mastermind, evil genius and Snow White. This season? Exes, a gay couple, a hacker, kleptomaniac hacker and one guy that actively asked to get voted off. It all feels so much more natural. Also, Damien may just be my favourite TD character 💀 he barely had a presence and yet he's everything I could've asked for- bro handed out 'vote Damien' PINS 😭

[@bgos4727]

@@ignorant1126 i love damian, it's like dave done right

[@DigitalRag3X]

Chris not being Chris is the only thing keeping me from watching this It’ll never be the same

[@nuibaba280]

If that's the only thing then you should watch it anyway. Chris is still written like Chris. Portenza couldn't return due to his allegations of being a sexual predator.

[@StefanoAraneda]

Las Vegas in space in da hood would be awesome!

[@gabrielbuerger]

12:48 for me, Axel is a fusion between Shawn and Eva

[@ashborn7343]

i unironically loved the rebbot but it's kinda easy to see its gained a cult following considering how its fangirls and boys are already in the section trying discredit the mans review

[@Ryzard]

3:04 - can we talk about how weirdly slow that blink is?

[@crpalstuck2966]

Ehhh, we'll definitely be having another 13 episode season using this cast, so I hope we get way more development on the cast. This was a back-to-basics season, so I'm hoping next season they experiment more

[@JuliaTheTransPeacock]

I’m really hoping the second season builds upon things that we saw in the first. These characters do have potential, but it all depends on how they’re fleshed our in the future. - I do hope for a revenge arc from Caleb, though it would also be hilarious if he were the first boot again. - Axel is really interesting to me and I want her to go further next season. - There’s not much else you can do with Nichelle other than watch her fail miserably in challenges again. - Lauren/Scary Girl is hilarious and I want her to go far. - I’m banking on Damien being a lock for the final two next season. He’s so much fun to watch and his determination right before he got the boot has me hoping. - There isn’t much else to do with MK. I don’t think she's compelling enough to take Julia's spot as the antagonist of the season. - I don’t know if you can do much with Wayne's character but I really want more of Raj and Bowie. Those two are really cute together. - Ripper can eat shit. - Zee is hilarious and I really hope he gets a good amount of screen time next season, even if his character is kind of static. - I don’t think you can really do much else with Chase and Emma except make them fight more. - Julia is awesome and I hope she continues to serve, even if she doesn’t get to be the antagonist of the season. - There’s not much else for Millie to do but I so want more about Priya and her possibly coming to terms with her messed up parents.

[@TheYoshiller5]

Your opinion be trash, Ripper is a chad.

[@nuibaba280]

@@TheYoshiller5 lmao based

[@kasumikat]

I totally agree, I felt something was off about this season and then I realised its because we didnt get to know enough about the cast

[@nuibaba280]

We learn about as much as we did for Season 1's crew. Noah and Cody were even fan favorites when they weren't all that deep. It feels like weird double standards to criticize a cast "not being developed" from Total Drama of all things.

[@EnigmaPrince101]

This TDI Reboot was pretty ok as a standard reiteration of the classic TDI to its bestest degree. Some dynamics were interesting to watch while others were underutilized or outright a chore to watch. Julia is as reasonably close to Heather as possible without really being Heather and I liked Emma until she was flip-flopping after Chase in the later half of the season and Bowie really played the game well enough that he could've won had it not been for a few ticks here and there and I am fine with the new Chris and Chefs voices despite the originals not coming back and they did indeed do a serviceable and fine job with their portrayals. Hopefully, the crew can look back on this season and see what worked and what didn't character, challenge and dynamic wise and then tweak them for the 2nd season so that TDI can return to being as great and fun as it once was without being too much influenced by the current generation.

[@YooranKujara]

I wish they just replaced Chris with Don or Blaineley and said Chris just went to jail forever or hired someone who can replicate his voice as there are tons

[@nuibaba280]

Nah, they're distancing themselves from the OG. His new voice is fine, serviceable.

[@YooranKujara]

@@nuibaba280 it sounds so wrong

[@YooranKujara]

@professionalcutie Blaineley would be great, she needs more love

[@nuibaba280]

@@YooranKujara You can get used to it. They're not retiring an iconic host over a voice.

[@YooranKujara]

@@nuibaba280 you can get over being a bitch, but looks like you're not gonna. Also remember Don? They did retire him for a long while. Also also I said they could hire someone who could do their voice well, I don't want Chris gone, I just think the voice is uncanny and doesn't fit

[@whyisNATtaken]

rippers an alpha male tho. hes obviously the most important and worthy of screentime frfr no cap totally not lying

[@Juni12]

I never thought a cartoon review would tell me just how ancient I am from the word go

[@elaykitsu7602]

Being a 2004 infant ain’t that bad, I mean we can’t drink yet but at least we can drive

[@TryTheRoachBurger]

I think this is better than the later seasons besides the race rebrand (that’s really fun)

[@il3fortunato664]

As an Italian fan, I liked this season. I was absolutely hyped for it, and having back Chris with his iconic voice it was beautiful! His sadistic irony was on point. Chef was OK, it's not the same as it was back at least he's more like a real host that worries about contestants. The dub also was good, the worst character is absolutely Ripper... he wants to be like my beloved Owen, he suck.

[@seroujghazarian6343]

Well, technically, it is a sequel season. It's a _soft_ reboot. It's not a bakugan battle planet level reboot.

[@ilikewalls956]

being a youtuber has been a dream of mine since 2013, and im so glad to see someone in my age range be able to be this successful on youtube

[@pining_tree6788]

I think the biggest thing holding this reboot back is not returning to the original season length. While it would require more characters to be made, they wouldn’t have to directly double the number. It would also open up room for recapture episodes where we could get more characterization for people that were eliminated early. It would just, overall give more time for character moments which is the highlight of total drama

[@nuibaba280]

But the original didn't give more character moments to the pre-mergers. Nobody remembers Zeke, Eva, Katie and Sadie, etc fondly.

[@mimikyutubesaltaccount4875]

@nubaiba280 me who’s favorite character in the show is Ezekiel:

[@nuibaba280]

@@mimikyutubesaltaccount4875 You're a minority and lots of characters from the 13 episode seasons are more cared about than him.

[@mimikyutubesaltaccount4875]

@@nuibaba280 I don’t really care tbh

[@mimikyutubesaltaccount4875]

@@nuibaba280 also you aren’t seriously gonna tell me that you cared more about Mike than Ezekiel

[@jp9480]

i think ppl overhype tda way too much cuz this season was way better than it

[@MindofNooah]

Hot take I like revenge and this season more than action it's not as bad as all stars and pahkitew but is still in my bottom 3

[@pepsicannot]

I think you ment overhated

[@jp9480]

@@pepsicannot no i didnt

[@pepsicannot]

@@jp9480 you said overhype idk if you ment action or this

[@jp9480]

@@pepsicannot i meant action is overhyped

[@elifishwhat]

really great video! love your take on RR and i really hope some of the characters from this season get expanded on like you said- damien especially. I feel like he was pretty relatable and I love his design. zee is by far my favorite and ripper is my least favorite (although he wasn't meant to be very likable so it checks out). seriously, how did he stay so long 😭

[@nuibaba280]

He stayed long to bring conflict. You do know the name is "Total Drama" right? Ripper brought the drama and conflict necessary and he helped make the merge interesting. We finally have a season where the main villain isn't the only one under fire 24/7.

[@elifishwhat]

@@nuibaba280 yeah, i know- i mean how did he stay so long in the context of people not voting for him in the show. i hope that makes it clearer

[@nuibaba280]

@@elifishwhat Well it's pretty clear. Others sucked harder and threw challenges. They were also mean/imposing in their own right (Axel and Scary Girl)

[@saturnine41]

Enjoyed the season for what it was. My main problem with the characters were that some just outlived their shticks in my opinion. Ripper had no business lasting as long as he did . Raj and Wayne were alright, but besides Raj being gay you just have the same character x2. Chase and Emma's relationship drama became super tedious and one of them needed to be booted off way sooner. Otherwise, Julia was easily a season highlight; the 180 from the fake deep influencer persona was funny and a clever parallel to reality. Priya and Millie's dynamic was also interesting with the latter becoming deadweight getting carried through challenges.

[@nuibaba280]

Yes he did. Ripper added needed variety to the merge especially if he's going to be further developed in the next season. He better fit as a fodder character that others hate enough to vote over Bowie and Julia.

[@nuibaba280]

How on earth did Bowie not have more than what meets the eye? He had more going on than just being a gay flamboyant man, did you tune him out?

[@gorillazfan30000]

Zee is litteraly just Jude from 6teen, like even down to the design

[@chaodic]

I feel like the reason that the character designs look so weird is the colored line art. Colored line art was EXTREMELY rare in the original designs

[@khdo12346]

You're old enough to drink in Brazil, if that's worth anything to you Although people ignore that a lot over here too

[@queenqwonk9074]

it’s really weird watching someone who’s literally the same age as me- same year and everything😂

[@twintimeproductions8700]

I think this reboot is the Super Mario Party of the TDI franchise. The creators are gauging interest for more seasons. If they see the interest, expect there to be more in-depth, higher quality, seasons.

[@nuibaba280]

Nope. The network demands shorter seasons.

[@DuneStone6816]

Wawanakwa Island was sunk the last time we saw it. How are they back on that island?

[@The_Leon_Kuwata]

The background song is from Persona 5 - Wicked Plan

[@erikbihari3625]

A:"did you know that darma, is canonically set in the same universe as 6teen? B:"have you ever reviewed looney tunes show, or other oddities like loonatics unleashed? They'd deserve fresh look!

[@Pronerd-kl8xy]

Why were all the comparisons Just stop made at 6:23 all from the leprechaun horror series?

[@sandyr5407]

The Leprechaun is a good reality tv show

[@Pablo-hp6vg]

Crazy? I was crazy once...

[@Lunteer69]

r/im14andthisisdeep

[@theblankking1966]

I really don't get the design philosophy of the casts outside of the first one. Cast 1 had a bunch of vivid colors, unique body shapes, and standout accessories that made them 100% unique from everyone else. The only one I think didn't quite have that is Eva and maybe Tyler but the rest just snapped. Even someone as simple as Trent had that handprint shirt that just made him pop out. The only person here that clicks as "unique" is Scary Girl (and even then she's basically just Gwen but red/violet themed) and MK thanks to her jacket. Everyone else is just... who tf is this loser?

[@sameyfan612]

Some of the things you said about the gen 1 cast can also apply to characters from the other seasons. They also feature characters with vivid colors, unique body shapes and standout accessories, not all but the gen 1 cast also have characters that don't fit the descriptions you are giving to them. Lindsay and Gwen have pretty much the exact same lover body, Katie and Sadie wear the exact same clothing and hairstyle, Noah and Duncan have the same lover body too, Ezekiel and Noah don't have vivid colors, and so on. Too many of the characters just have a random something on their shirts to make them pop, but the only ones that actually fit with the characters were Duncan, DJ and Owen. Harold having a hamburger on his shirt, and Trent a handprint made no sense and felt super random, not to mention Leshawna's shirt having kumquats on it. The unique body shapes can also be negative to some people, as not everyone is fond of Duncan's long torso, or Trent's clearly JFK inspired headshape. At the end these are just designs, and people are giving them way too much attention for no real reason. A character's looks don't matter anywhere near as much as their writing does. Everyone disliked Bowie's design for example, and yet he ended up being one of the most beloved characters of the season thanks to his writing.

[@nuibaba280]

@@sameyfan612 It must be tough having common sense in a sea of nostalgia biased people.