Ken Ham CLASHES With Bill Nye in Public Debate!

[@patriotpearl264]

This debate is from 2014. The information is timeless, so if you've never seen the debate it's definitely worth watching. However, if like me, you were wondering if it is a new debate between these two, it's not, so if you've seen it... You've seen it.

[@StEpHeNno22]

Thank you, you actually saved me time lol.

[@danielnorris6888]

the original debate was 2 and a half hours long... this is less that an hour and a half... wonder what AIG cut out???

[@_help_me_please_]

@@danielnorris6888 You'd guess that they cut out the boring stuff where they just go in circles. Creation vs evolution debates normally do that.

[@josiahstelzl9312]

You can always go and watch the full debate... @@danielnorris6888

[@kellys923]

They also got into a small debate on the ark encounter.

[@shadowninja2398]

Don’t get how people are roasting bill nye for saying he doesn’t know something instead of pretending to have an answer

[@sethmcclain4297]

Because he grills people.for not knowing himself. Just holding him to the same standards he holds others to.

[@Sccorpy]

​@@sethmcclain4297 No he grills people for evidence as they claim that they do know. Then they proceed to not give any tangible or quantifiable evidence as with a lot of religious Doctrine, its all faith based. He has said many times he is skeptical about many things but he could be wrong, the one thing Bill Nye doubles down is the age of the Earth. Because the evidence is LITERALLY all around us.

[@lizd2943]

Can you give an example?@@sethmcclain4297

[@timotar4308]

​@@sethmcclain4297and you don't see the irony in your statement. So sad.

[@leroyjenkins3744]

@@sethmcclain4297context matters. If someone is presented with a concept they are not well versed in then an “idk” is correctly used. If a person who believes in God is presented with a concept they aren’t well versed in and they respond with a “idk but God did it” then that is fallacious. You can’t know a God exists and thus cannot use him as an answer to the unknown. Bill is honest, Ken is a liar.

[@CatT1987]

I don't understand the point of this. These are the kind of debates I'm not interested in because they never go anywhere. Pitting a creationist against a scientist/evolutionist never produces anything productive. There's a reason non-believers or atheists can't see God. He has made them blind toward His truths and only by opening their mind and their heart and seeking him out, coming to Him in abject humility, will their eyes be opened.

[@captaingaza2389]

How can he make them blind and say we have free will? Your logic and god fails

[@CatT1987]

@@captaingaza2389 Because when you earnestly seek him profess belief on the name of Jesus Christ you're ready and your eyes will be opened. Those who don't want to believe won't see or understand his words.

[@captaingaza2389]

@@CatT1987 Nonsense Why must I decide to believe this god when this god can just reveal himself beyond a reasonable doubt It’s superstitious nonsense and you’re taken hook line and sinker Sad

[@christiankhaemba4318]

I am Christian who has always been interested in Science. I am so happy there are scientists like Ken Ham who tie the word of God to Science showing that Science is the biggest evidence of God & His Word.

[@friisteching3433]

If Ham have to ignore scientific facts, twist other scientific facts, Ham is no longer doing science.

[@Ban_Helmers]

We should trust The Science. Lol

[@friisteching3433]

@@Ban_Helmers we should verify the data. On both side, and look at that, creationism failed the verification process.

[@samuelmoore1635]

Ham is a business man, not a scientist

[@JoinUsInVR]

CSI is based on REPEATABLE tests. At 5:00 Bill is flat out WRONG to imply that repeating tests on a crime show, is the same as marking claims about the origin of life, of which nobody has EVER duplicated (the origin of life and energy and matter from nothing). When Bill lights the fuse on a bomb sitting in a bucket of random chemicals and it produces some functioning life, then you can comoare it to repeatable science like CSI.

[@luish1498]

The Miller-Urey experiment

[@JoinUsInVR]

@@luish1498 that and EVER single test has FAILED to create life forming DNA. No single instance of creating life. Not once. And certainly not repeatable per the scientific method requirement.

[@JoinUsInVR]

..... not to mention that test, and EVERY test, uses the molecules AND laws of chemistry that science has no plausible explanation for the origin of. All we know is that within time and space, energy and matter cannot be created OR destroyed.... Therefore according to science, something OUTSIDE of time and space had to have created it.... His name is God, and believe it or not, we will all meet Him one day. Shouldn't we at least look at what He says about Himself? John 1:1 is a great place to start. Feel free to get in direct contact with me if you'd like to talk.

[@perfectstranger1152]

​@@Moist._Robot I'm pretty sure if he can cite from the book, he's read it at least once.

[@perfectstranger1152]

@@Moist._Robot you have yet to cite the book in this entire thread. Unless youtube is hiding something, which it tends to do. He went as far as stating "John 1:1". If you have read the book twice and still won't accept massive portions of it, then I can understand why you would be confused.

[@PropensityVisualized]

Nye should visit the area around Mount Saint Helens. The place looks like the Grand Canyon now but looked like a field before the explosion.

[@Gary-fq8cx]

I dont understand. How does this show if a god is real?

[@Assembled-Saints]

​@Gary-fq8cx he said it takes millions of years to form the grand canyon yet we've seen something similar in mere days. Therefore we know it did Not have to take millions of years. Also the fossil records indicate that the Mount Sainy Helen's canyon appears millions of years old if you use bills science. [Which they did] Basically wrecked Bill's arguments

[@Assembled-Saints]

​@@Gary-fq8cx"if you can find one example of that it'll change this belief " They did and his beliefs didn't change. In fact Bill went to observe it and disagreed it just happened. 😂

[@Gary-fq8cx]

@@Moist._Robot He doesnt know any science and is simply parroting stuff he tries to remember Ham said. 😒

[@Gary-fq8cx]

@@Assembled-Saints Lik ef my last post said it's not the same and not even similar. You religious people are the only ones claiming they are alike. No geologists says that. Why dont any professionals who this is their lifes work agree with you? I've seen video and pics of St Helen's and it looks nothing like the Gand Canyon. Send me some links of what you say looks like the Canyon. The bible describes a flat Earth multiple times. Flat Earthers point to the bib lo e as proof its flat. Why does your god think our homeworld is flat when it's not?

[@cgfreshmaker]

For those who produce the video. I enjoy listening to the video as I can’t always watch while working and the sound effects of the images are very distracting. Thanks for providing this session

[@stevekerp1]

Agreed - that unnecessary "swooshing" sound every time the view changes is annoying and adds nothing to the video.

[@peacepipe6695]

@@stevekerp1 cry about it

[@spikenomoon]

What’s wrong with you. Nobody produced the video. It just was sitting on a shelf waiting for people to watch. It’s at lest 77.7 billion years old They are millions all over the world. I’ve seen at least appear from nowhere.

[@Barbutt]

@@spikenomoon​Sitting on top of all the primitive productions…The oldest just saying, “welcome!” with no audience right up to the final touch… tables and podiums.

[@spikenomoon]

@@Barbutt A sky Fairy or A Organized Nothing Fairy. They Mock the Supernatural and yet they completely ignore we are here.

[@DavidPillow]

Ken Ham's entire justification is "Well we didn't see it so we don't know" When pressed on actual data, He says well "we weren't there we didn't see it" and goes on coulda Shoulda woulda argument that never holds up

[@noblewolfwriting7526]

And the naturalist argument is. ‘We know with certainty exactly what happened even though we weren’t there.’ As Ken says multiple times, naturalism is a belief. It makes claims and assertions based on a particular point of view. If you say his arguments don’t hold up. The exact same can be said of Bill’s. Unless of course you take his beliefs as fact instead of what they are. Beliefs

[@eduard.amihai7545]

I gladly stay on the Scripture as a foundation of my life!!

[@mekavio8231]

so, that INCLUDES lev 20:13 ?

[@grarglejobber7941]

I feel so alone being an actual Christian. Almost everybody places faith above all else, which is silly because the bible exists to be read and interpreted. Mainstream Christianity is as cringe as the beta males latching onto antitheism.

[@jayhawk6767]

@@mekavio8231 That is morality, not science.

[@stevied3400]

@@razark9not everything is scientific. Philosophy isn’t scientific yet philosophy is still valid and valuable. Fantasy books aren’t scientific yet they are still valuable.

[@skilz8098]

@@razark9 Based on whose perspective and whose authority? If you think a person can not use the Bible as a basis to construct their hypothesis, or thesis from and then go out to perform observational experiments using the various tools within the sciences then you are truly mistaken.

[@SeaScienceFilmLabs]

Thanks for supporting the Creation Ministry! 👋 👍

[@Ledinosour673]

please no

[@SeaScienceFilmLabs]

Ah… :) Here comes the tears of the self~Claimed “Atheist” and “Agnostic…” 😋 Did You All know, that “Atheism” and “Agnosticism” are both forms of Irrational Denial??? 🍏

[@SeaScienceFilmLabs]

@@Ledinosour673 _”please no…”_ ~RaptorMongoliensis {2023} 🤣 ☝️ Who are You beggin?’

[@markduell2468]

"Ministry"...yes. "Science"...no.

[@SeaScienceFilmLabs]

@@Moist._Robot “NephilimFree?” 🤔

[@pianogal853]

22:19 this is from 2014 - Ken couldn't have imagined how much the word 'science' is hijacked now!

[@YuriMakarov-h3p]

What I thought when he said this.

[@leroyjenkins3744]

“Science” was not hijacked. We all stayed within it while fundamentalist Christians hopped ship because the science didn’t confirm their bias. You know that most of the founders of these theories were Christians? They didn’t deny what they had found. They simply accepted it and assumed God did it somehow. Darwin was a Christian. Hell, Gregor Mendel was a priest! These men made massive contributions to the field of biology and they did so with faith. Genesis is literally written as a Hebrew poem. It’s obviously not meant to be taken literally. Most Jews don’t even believe it’s literal. If Jesus could talk in parables then why can’t God?!

[@_help_me_please_]

@@leroyjenkins3744 "We all stayed within it while fundamentalist Christians hopped ship because the science didn’t confirm their bias." And yet most "scientists" think that humans were once monkeys, they know the age of the earth, and creating something out of absolutely nothing is possible, even when directly contradicting the 1st law of thermodynamics.

[@leroyjenkins3744]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@_help_me_please_first of all humans are apes. By every definition we are apes. It’s just taxonomy Second of all we know the approximate age of the earth. We don’t know the exact age. We do know with like 99.99% certainty it’s not 6,000 though. Third of all science does not claim everything came from nothing. That’s what Christians believe. As you stated, the first law of thermodynamics says energy is neither created nor destroyed. The law of conservation of matter says similar things about matter. Matter is just condensed energy so the image of a universe with zero entropy and the simplest form of matter condensing and increasing entropy isn’t too hard to imagine if you understand quantum physics or chemistry. Now on to what Christians believe. They think we were made out of mud, light was formed before the sun, everything in existence came from nothing (even tho that breaks the first law of thermodynamics), and that the world is 6,000 years old even though we’ve found cities from 10,000 years ago and cave paintings from 50,000 years ago.

[@adrianthom2073]

@@_help_me_please_, humans are great apes, not monkeys. Science has never claimed something can come from nothing. The Big Bang Theory is not something from nothing. It never has been this and never will be this. Your ignorance of science is not evidence against it. Many People of all faiths have no issues with science. And accept it. Many of science great breakthroughs have come from religious people. “I was interested in truth from the point of view of salvation just as much as in truth from the point of view of scientific certainty. It appeared to me that there were two paths to truth, and I decided to follow both of them.” - George’s Lemaitre

[@DeeZ36]

To believe that something can actually exists from nothing need more faith than to believe that there is a God.

[@katamas832]

That's what people who believe there is a God believe. Not what the opposition believes 🤷‍♂️

[@ClifffSVK]

But you say that God created something from nothing, so it's exactly the same argument and the same logic. You can't create something from nothing, so if God created something, he had to create it from something rather than from nothing, right? But if he created it from nothing, then any other explanation is equally valid. Anyway, when scientists try to question the origin of something, they don't ask who created it, but how did it come to existence. For example, when they encounter a hurricane, they don't ask who sent it to us, but how did it come to existence (the process of creation/formation). When you ask the right questions, it can produce some answers. And science actually has some answers regarding the origin of the universe. We have the "Standard Model of particle physics" and it's all based on observations, calculations and experiments. The discovery of the Higgs boson was a major thing. And the best thing - no faith involved. Your assumption that this needs more faith than your own worldview just shows your ignorance about the topic.

[@DeeZ36]

@@ClifffSVK You have a wrong definition of God.. In most of theisms that I know of, God is a creator. If God need other stuff to create something, that means he's not a god. He's more like a producer.

[@ClifffSVK]

@@DeeZ36 Oh, then you have a wrong definition of "something from nothing"

[@DeeZ36]

@@ClifffSVK you failed logically.. you assume that in order for God have to create, God need something.. Why do you assume this?

[@viking670]

Just as I thought, this is an old debate going back to 2014. It would be nice to see a 2023 debate between these 2, or any other 2 for that matter.

[@TheRealMake-Make]

Yep, I watched it live with my brother…fun times!

[@basp-ef7jx]

It wouldn't be any different today unfortunately.

[@alanniketic7690]

2024, more proofs for the Bible. Time works again the theory of evolution. The truth of the Bible is coming out every minute. All the sciences are backed up by the Bible, especially archaeology.

[@Tomarsnback.]

Nothing would change. I don't understand what your trying to say.

[@alanniketic7690]

@@Tomarsnback. Yes It will, more proofs in favour of creation since 2014, time works against evolution, the more the time is passing the more new archeological discoveries give reason to the Bible and more lies of the theory of evolution will be exposed.

[@Eyewonder3210]

Nye keeps saying "American English version", over and over as if this means something. What he fails to mention is the dead sea scrolls and how amazing it was to see how little the difference was. Also Nye doesn't understand the poetry of psalms as songs and prayers by David. Which shows he hasn't read it. If you're going to debate a book with someone, the least you can do is read it. Another point Nye ignored was the depth of the plane that was recovered in the ice. That blows his statements about how long it took to lay down ice.

[@StudentDad-mc3pu]

You have been sold a dud there - the Dead Sea Scrolls are remarkably altered compared to the versions we have - just in the book of Isaiah there are 43 alterations to major words or phrases.

[@rayober2273]

Stop showing how foolish you are.

[@CelticSpiritsCoven]

@@StudentDad-mc3pu While we have far more evidence to work with, if the Scrolls taught us anything about Old Testament scripture, it is generally true that the older the manuscripts the more varied they become. Simply put: human scribes were not photocopiers and no two manuscripts are the same. Scribes copied texts but also interpreted them. That was their job. It wasn’t trickery or introducing error at every turn. This often resulted in slow growth of biblical texts with manuscripts having relatively modest variations in content. A word here, a phrase there, and in some cases, more than one edition of a book circulated. To many modern readers, this might sound like a major problem. It is not a problem. No 2 eye witnesses ever say the exact same thing. If there is enough evidence that they saw the same event, we wouldn't expect them to repeat word-for-word what each other saw. So there is no issue if a word or a phrase was off. It didn't change the message.

[@michaelsears6702]

@StudentDaf-mc3pu the book of Isaiah was 95% the same we have in our bibles now. The 5% were misspellings and did have a different word every now and then but it did not change the meaning of the scripture/text.

[@leroyjenkins3744]

Most all of the Torah is written in poetry and songs. If you ever listen to a Jewish reading it’s always in song structure. Genesis is like this too. It’s pretty obvious it was meant a story to explain the world. Every culture has them. You guys just won’t accept it

[@whyaskwhybuddry]

One thing i wished that Ham would have done in that debate was to put up a picture of Noah's Ark National Park where the Government of Turkey formally dedicated the Durpinar site as Noah's Ark. 3D Ground scans prove that its not a natural formation. There is a 3 story structure underneath with bulkhead and empty spaces at regular intervals.

[@ddrse]

The real Noah's Ark was a fractal. That's the only way he could fit everything inside. That's what pitch with in Pitch with one window means.

[@whyaskwhybuddry]

@ddrse Explain. The Flood Account only gives one dimension for the window, so it's more likely that the window ran the length of the top deck. 1. Known fact that the Himalayas, Andes, Alpes didn't exist during the Great Flood which is why they have fossilized shellfish in the CLOSED position on the top of them. Mt Everest and Lake Titicaca were Sea Floor and the thrust up RAPIDLY during the Zuni and Tejas Megasequences. There are 12 foot wide fossilized oysters in the Andes in Peru in the closed position. It didn't take "MILLIONS of years" to cause these shellfish to come up out of the water, otherwise they would have died Naturally, lost their tops to the Ocean Currents and their carcasses eaten. 2. Known fact that a ship at Sea is safer than one at Port during a Tsunami. A ship in the open Ocean barely notices, while the ones in Port are driven several miles inland. US Navy Weatherman Petty Officer First Class Aaron Kawczk noted in a Stars and Stripes interview regarding Tsunami threats to US Military assets: "Ships can be fairly safe at sea during a tsunami because the large waves are moving deep under the surface. Out at sea, they aren't extremely noticeable; Kawczk explained. The passing waves produce only a gentle rise and fall of the surface. Noah's Ark had many multi-ton "Drogue Stones" that were tied to the back and sides of the boat to keep it stable and pointed into any waves. These huge stones have been found near Noah's Ark National Park in Eastern Turkey at 39°26'30"N 44°12'52"E. These stones have curved holes in the top where ropes were passed thru. Look them up on Google. 3. Ark Capacity. The Logistics of the boat construction prove it's not only doable in 100-120 years, but structurally sound on the Ocean. Moses would have been familiar with the Royal Egyptian Cubit which was about 21.6 inches. The Ark design was a 515 ft long, 85 ft wide 51 feet high with 3 decks. Entrance was on the 2nd deck with a ramps to the top and bottom decks. The Ark had the storage space equivalent to 450 standard Commercial Cargo tractor trailers. The Ark would have had about 2.2M cu feet of storage space, which is about 4% of the original One World Trade Center in New York (58.8M) . That MORE than enough room for 8 Humans and around 1700 Kinds of animals. 4. "Kinds" vs "Species". Noah didn't need to take every "Species" of each animal Kind, or take Marine creatures on the Ark because they can breathe under water. If you ever read the Text, you would learn that God brought to the Ark "2 pair of every Unclean Animal" and "7 pairs of every Clean Animal". Noah would not have taken fully grown elderly elephants and giraffes etc. because they won't reproduce. It would have been younger animals. Nor did Noah have to bring insects because insects breathe thru their skin and can survive by floating on Log Mats, and feeding off the carcasses of dead animals. 5. Why would Noah need to bring "Fossils" on to the Ark when fossils didn't EXIST before the Flood? It was the Flood to killed everything when the Earth's Crust broke up at the Mid Atlantic Ridge and released TRILLIONS of gallons of water from below and propelling magma into Space which hit the Moon like BBs. (NASA website; Big Bertha). 6. Google "Experiments In Stratification" by the US Navy. They are very interested in knowing whether or not underwater canyons will be there for Submarine Operations. 7. "Heat Problem"? What Heat Problem? Known fact that Earth itself has many Heat Sinks to regulate the Temperature. Among these are Algae and Clay. 8. There weren't "5 Mass Extinctions", only 1 with 6 Megasequences during the Flood: Saulk, Tippecanoe, Kaskashkia, Abrizoka, Zuni and Tejas. It was the Zuni and Tejas Megasequences that lifted up every mountain chain, sunk every Major Basin and Trench to which the Flood Waters drained off. All the Great Mountain Chains and Basins follow the Mid Ocean Ridges from which they slid. 9. The Great Oceanographer Jaques Cousteau once said "If you flattened the Crust, the Continents would be covered by over a Mile of Water." 10. The Design of Noah's Ark has been tested in the US Navy Wave Tanks and shown to be perfectly stable.

[@jockyoung4491]

So there was a boat or something built there. How does that make is "Noah's Ark"?

[@whyaskwhybuddry]

@jockyoung4491 Because it matches the coordinates given to us in the Ancient Sumerian Clay Tablets. The Sumerians were the World's first "Disaster Tourists". They knew where it was because they traveled there and talked to Noah and his wife for many years. Those coordinates when translated into our modern systems is: Noahs Ark National Park 39°26'30"N 44°12'52"E Noah's Homestead 39°37'56.27"N 43°59'3.96"E The Ancient Assyrian King Nimrod (Ie Enmerker) wrote to his grandfather Noah "The Lord Of Uratu" all the time asking for his blessing.

[@bn2870]

Welp story sold… we all now know there was a guy who gathered millions of animals on a boat he built with a few family members, lived for 1,000 years or whatever it was, and is the only family who survived a worldwide flood that didn’t happen.

[@Cutface141]

People getting mad when a scientist says I don't know but being able to say I don't know is way better than saying you know when you don't. That's called being wrong.

[@bufordghoons9981]

"Avoid the irreverent babble and contradictions of what is falsely called science, for by professing it (Evolution) some have swerved from the faith." --1 Tim. 6:20

[@bufordghoons9981]

@@Moist._Robot God's word --the bible, is reality. Ape to Man Evolution is the myth.

[@MikeMullins77]

This was a great debate. Wasn't this aired several years ago?

[@TheFissionchips]

debating an actor who plays the part of a 'scientist' is not a debate - it's theater.

[@PicturingOurPast]

Yea, the link in the bio is to the full debate 9years ago. It was successful and noone wants to debate this anymore, it seems. So they revisit the topic as they can.

[@MikeMullins77]

This actor has a BS in Mechanical Engineering from Cornell University where he studied under Carl Sagan, a renowned scientist who think "We are made of starstuff."@@TheFissionchips

[@Davidsavage8008]

@@MikeMullins77 exactly.

[@TheFissionchips]

@@MikeMullins77 the renowned FREEMASON Sagan. lol. Still, Ham couldn't find anyone who isn't an actor/liar to debate?

[@dennisfuller2571]

Good debate from nine years ago. Still applies today. Paul said in Hebrews 13:8, "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever." Jesus said in John 10:30, "I and My Father are one.”

[@stevied3400]

Why is Ney claiming that the Bible being translated into American English makes it invalid? What language does science need to be written in for science to be valid?

[@friisteching3433]

Translating something in the same way as the Bible, will always change the meaning. You cannot know which translation of a word is the correct one. The "day" is Genesis for example could also be translated as a stretch of time. Science uses English in general. But even if needed to be translated, you can contact the author to clarify which meaning is the correct one when doing the transition.

[@pianogal853]

6:33 you (Nye) forget that fossils are dead animals - they can't 'swim up' to another layer after they're buried

[@JesusSaves86AB]

Especially rapidly like a giant flood of greater proportions than tsunamis.

[@johannesstephanusroos4969]

Also, animal corpses have different densities. Mammals float, crustaceans sink

[@jamescohn4268]

😂😂😂😂. That’s not helping 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@AndrewFosterSheff69]

@@johannesstephanusroos4969 The crustaceans were already on the bottom of the oceans... feeding. The fish were next cos they were already underwater and above the crustaceans. The insects got washed out of the air and trodden underfoot / swamped. The larger slower animals got overrun quicker than faster more nimble animals. Faster animals were able to outrun the rising waters... for a while. The birds floated cos their wings are full of air and are light before becoming water logged and finally sinking. The geologic column does not actually exist anywhere, there are contradictions to the above order found all over the world, it's almost like the creatures got caught in a massive washing machine, with mass "fossil graveyards" containing all the different creatures all mixed up 🤔 And the cap on the whole thing is that they are ALL found in SEDIMENTARY rock (wet mud). Logic simply cannot be included when dealing with evolutionists, it destroys their model at every turn. And as an addendum re Nye's claim about the ice layers... I'm a snowboarder, there can be several different layers of snow in any season, it's not like tree rings with one per year! Just FYI 🙂

[@YuriMakarov-h3p]

I had these same thoughts. In Wisconsin there are evidence of the flood, in sediment, sandstone, all over the place, 2000+ft above the sea level. Just another factor.

[@TheRealJohnMadden]

You can tell Bill cares so much about the education of the younger generations as well as education and does not want them being misinformed.

[@roberthubal6278]

Mr Nyes last statement, that the rest of the world will out compete us in science if we embrace a path of God. Is what was said when they took God out of schools in the 1950s.

[@iamazania]

The naturalistic world view has never been so widely accepted and yet the West is deteriorating everyday as it moves further away from Judeo-Christian values.

[@alysabrumfield9607]

Yep and look at the moral decline and degeneracy that has resulted

[@Djmiddlekauff]

Actually in the 50s many changes were made to differentiate us godly capitalists from our atheistic soviet friends. In God we trust became the national motto and schools began doing the pledge of allegiance.

[@roberthubal6278]

@@Djmiddlekauff I remember around the mid to late sixties, suddenly, we weren't saying the pledge

[@robinpage2730]

​@@roberthubal6278in 36 and I said the pledge all through school

[@blueray3361]

I really enjoyed the way this video was put together. Very nice job indeed.

[@jbunch3331]

Ken hamm was clear n open. Bill nye assumes n confuses. Bill nye's laughter reminds me of reminds me of 1 Corinthians 14:20.

[@davidlivingston7104]

Being part of the justice system at one point...using csi is a horrible example.

[@JoinUsInVR]

LOL... agreed. What part of the justice system were you a part of? I was too. Jury duty. But I'm guessing you mean something a little bit more relevant. 😉

[@nwkcanada]

Ridiculous is a better term

[@JoinUsInVR]

@@nwkcanada what do you mean? Who is? What is? And why?

[@leroyjenkins3744]

You don’t think forensic science is a good comparison to determining what happened in the past? Why?

[@attiliodisandomingo5265]

The word of God always "wins"

[@vld7850]

AMEN!

[@mekavio8231]

and that word is the bible , right ? but do you ever question who put it together, and chose to leave out other books ??? nah, just blindly trust those unknown ppl anyway..right ?

[@Entomology314]

Nice quotation marks lol.

[@garydalegimotea7834]

Ken Ham!!! thank you...

[@jbunch3331]

Wow Bill nye makes all assumptions that are not true.

[@mekavio8231]

as ?

[@leroyjenkins3744]

You mean assumptions that you disagree with

[@suffist]

You were asked by two different people to give an example. So far you have given none. What assumption did he make that wasn't true? You've had 50 upvotes for making an assumption that isn't true, honestly! Talk about sheep.

[@ibelieveicanwalk]

What is one thing Bill said here that is not true? That is scientifically proven to be false?

[@abigaillindsey512]

Wow! I’m surprised Nye said the words “boy” and “girl.” 🤣 But really, pray the Lord would change his heart!

[@banemaler]

This is an old debate, he has been thoroughly indoctrinated to the current culture by now.

[@--..-...-..-.--....]

Wow, using a book that doesn't have a single event to be proven real, to then use it to control people to your liking is just satanic. I'll pray for you🙏

[@J383n]

You can be LGBT inclusive and believe in boys and girls. Most Trans people themselves believe in those two things, cause they don't feel like they're the one or the other., which is why they trans....ision 😊

[@abigaillindsey512]

@@banemaler Bummer!

[@anthonygarcia8749]

​@@J383nah yes the LGBT cult and religion lol

[@ahh-2-ahh]

Bill sure is gonna be in for a big surprise when he dies... i sure wish i could be there when he realizes that he physically died, but he actually does have a spirit that continues on.

[@bn2870]

What’s he in for?

[@GarlemaldInformatum]

@@bn2870 Prognosis: Not good.

[@bn2870]

@@GarlemaldInformatum according to people who believe a guy built an ark to house all of the animals on the earth and lived for 900+ years? 😂👌🏻

[@leroyjenkins3744]

A bit sadistic of a wish for one of God’s loving flock isn’t it?

[@GarlemaldInformatum]

@@bn2870 Yes, actually.

[@OdinMagnus]

I'm glad Answers in Genesis posted this debate. Utter defeat for creationism. Ken's whole argument was either "Were you there?" Or "I have this book that says things" The major problem with biblical literalism is that we know the world isn't flat, we know that there is no dome (the firmament), we know that the sun, moon and stars aren't placed into that firmament. We know that the earth isn't younger than some living things. The world isn't 6k years old. So again, thank you for posting your fails for us to see.

[@chesfern]

The Bible states that the Universe is expanding (stretching) even before scientists discovered it so. 'Zechariah 12:1 The LORD, who stretches out the heavens, who lays the foundation of the earth, and who forms the human spirit within a person...'

[@radekvecerka1115]

That so obviously a metaphor xdd

[@Astroqualia]

Wrong, the heavens is not space. The heavens is another dimension above the earth. God lays the foundation of the earth. God is not an alien. Don't fall prey to linking that together to fall for one of the future deceptions.

[@leroyjenkins3744]

The Bible also claims the earth is flat, has corners, and is held up by pillars

[@chesfern]

@@leroyjenkins3744 You are mistaken. Here are several translations of Job 26:7 : 7 God stretches the northern sky over empty space and hangs the earth on nothing. 7 He spreads the skies over unformed space, hangs the earth out in empty space. 7 He stretches the northern [skies] over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing.

[@leroyjenkins3744]

@@chesfernso you’re refuting the pillars part? It still says it’s flat and has corners. It’s still wrong and stupidly so

[@vaughnwilliams59]

Bill mentions the tree "Old Tjikko" being over 9,000 years old. But that age isn't based on counting tree rings, it's based on carbon dating

[@leroyjenkins3744]

Another well researched and reliable scientific method. Thank you for the clarification

[@VTRIGGERS]

​@leroyjenkins3744 it only dates the carbon matter around the tree not the tree itself

[@leroyjenkins3744]

⁠@@VTRIGGERSit was dated using genetically matched plant material around the tree. Carbon dating only works on dead things. The plant material was dead so the carbon dating is effective. Besides, if they dated material around the tree but it wasn’t the tree at all and it said 9,000 years then wouldn’t that also be a bad look on the young earth? Anything 6,000+ makes the Bible dead wrong by Ken’s standards.

[@VTRIGGERS]

@leroyjenkins3744 how was it genetically matched?

[@leroyjenkins3744]

@@VTRIGGERSI mean there’s a few methods that work. DNA electrophoresis, DNA sequencing, etc. take your pick. I don’t know the specific one off hand, I’d have to research further. But that doesn’t make it illegitimate.

[@nuancedliars112]

Since I've grown up I have become even more enamored with God.

[@Creationism-is-pseudoscience]

That's alright, but if you're ever interested in learning about how the natural world works you might want to read up on some actual science as opposed to Answers propaganda.

[@nuancedliars112]

@@Creationism-is-pseudoscience why do you care about the direction of anything in the world? "Shouldn't you be out on the ledge somewhere?"

[@Creationism-is-pseudoscience]

@@nuancedliars112 What a christian thing thing to say. Why would I bot care? Unlike creationists most other want a better world where truth is valued. Why do *YOU* care? Aren't you just waiting around to die so you can go the bouncy castle in the clouds? Why does anything down here matter to you? I know you don't care about truth and science.

[@Creationism-is-pseudoscience]

@@nuancedliars112 Happy I left my mental shackles of Christianity when I did and not become a 110% programmed drone. I freed myself from my mind-slavery, but it's sad seeing creation-zombies just nod your empty heads to whatever pseudo-science and propaganda is shoved down your throat, usually with some emotional background music to go along and you never, ever question anything your brainwashers feed you with. Just sad. 😔

[@_help_me_please_]

@@Creationism-is-pseudoscience This "actual science" in which you speak of seems to be assumptions that are widely accepted. Nothing else.

[@leoneljuarez8378]

Do not look for what's out there, look to what's in your heart ❤️ with the help of Our Lord Jesus Christ! Amen! ✝️

[@jellybean5929]

L god Lod

[@78David]

‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:22‬ ‭KJV‬‬ Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools

[@vld7850]

That's a perfect description of nye!

[@78David]

@@vld7850 amen!

[@leroyjenkins3744]

Man, Ken must think himself immensely wise then

[@johncaulfield8935]

Sheesh, the difference in comments between this video and the full original video it comes from is like night and day.

[@TheAugustBurnsRedFan]

Bill's desire to have science bundled up together and not separated into categories and types is the epitome of his religion. His religion requires that a current observation be able to to be infinitely applied to the past. That is a religious worldview

[@carolinusTG]

You wanna try that again in english, not whatever cryptic strawman that was?

[@TheMoopMonster]

We may not recognize it as a typical religion, but science does fill the role of religion's explanatory authority, moral/ego orientation, in the minds of its devotees. Scientism is a real religion, even if there is no official singular brand, it has its sects, organizations, clerical oligarchy, churches and preachers. There may be more opposition of ideas tolerated, but there is still a deeply rooted, imutable dogma instilled in its followers. There is an ontology, epistemology, and axiology, implicit and peer reinforced, in the modern scientific worldview, it is by definition a religion.

[@TheAugustBurnsRedFan]

@@razark9 you're failing to understand the faith that exists in the scientific community. Have you ever OBSERVED one being evolve into a completely different being? Did anyone OBSERVE the 'Big Bang'? No. None of these are observed. They are inferences that are only attested to by what can be observed. But these are only capable of being made through assumptions. You must ASSUME that Carbon has had a consistent decay rate through all of history, you must ASSUME the level of Daughter Elements as being zero at the beginning of the universe. You must ASSUME a law of entropy that cannot be broken or suspended. These are assumptions that are being made on behalf of an evolutionist. They are taken with faith, which means the trust in things not observed. Ken is simply pointing out that these are doctrinal statements made to explain the unobserved through the observed. That is what religion is. The systematic explanation of what was through what is. There's no dishonesty to say that each position has its starting points that are assumed. Neither can be proven, because they would need to be witnessed which is not possible. So you take existing evidence for both sides, and do an internal critique of the worldview to make sure the evidence fits. Your starting points are the religious claims. Again, can Bill Nye prove that Carbon decay rates have been perfectly consistent through all of world history? Can he provide an origin for the matter that imploded on itself to create the 'Big Bang'? No, those are taken on pure FAITH.

[@TheAugustBurnsRedFan]

@@carolinusTG that was definitely English, and not a cryptic strawman. It's only a strawman if you conflate scientific consensus with absolute fact or truth. The reality is that scientists are only saying that these are the best explanations they have come up with as of yet. But they aren't absolute standards, or an absolute claim.

[@carolinusTG]

@@TheAugustBurnsRedFan derp derp, words have meanings for a reason. The best scientific consensus is what is considered factual whereas nothing stated in that book has been demonstrated in any sort of fashion and nothing beyond feelings have ever been expressed by anyone arguing for the existence of a god, much less a christian one. Ham is a grifter, just like every preacher, and there is more proof of that in existence, than proof of a god.

[@PeaceIntheValley]

Bill Nye loves personal attacks. Ham never attacked him once. No matter which way you swing on this - Nye's attacks really undermined his own argument.

[@XxBillyGoatNinjaxX]

Because when you're up against someone who refuses to accept reason and profits off of spiritual belief with zero credibility or genuine evidence outside of "because the bible says so", there is no more reason to be polite.

[@Creationism-is-pseudoscience]

Where exactly did Bill Nye attack? 😳

[@politicalsheepdog]

@@XxBillyGoatNinjaxX Ken Ham put forth reason and logic. Biil Nye just kept saying extraordinary. He picks up some limestone in Kentucky that had fossils of water creatures in it and then keeps asking how the layers could be laid down quickly. The presents there was evidence that the land was under water and then contradicts his finding.

[@XxBillyGoatNinjaxX]

@@politicalsheepdog You can't publicly believe in the story of Noahs Ark then call it "reasoning" when every single thing about it defies everything we know about biology. And Bill never contradicts himself, you just aren't capable of understanding the process of fossilization.

[@aaronadamson7463]

There isn't a lack of reason. In fact, I would say Bill tends to say "each and every process can only happen at 1 specific rate, in one specific way" and when Ken says "well actually there are other faster processes that can cause the same phenomenon at a much faster rate, and here is how" then Bill just basically says "nuh uh. I'm clearly an expert and you should never doubt an expert." Ken follows up with "well we have our own highly educated experts with the same or better credentials " and Bill responds with "well your experts are clearly incompetent. I completely reject your experts because." And that's where it ends. I would say that's why Bill handly loses. No real refutation to Ken, who provides evidence and reasoning with alternatives. Bill has no response to the possible alternatives to his own, bolted in world view. He claims "well we don't know, we could be wrong" yet just rejects out of hand any evidence that he could be. It's two faced, and false humility that isn't enough to hide the disdain he has for those who disagree with him

[@tjloefflerjaetem]

I have been tricked! I was several minutes in before I realized this wasn't a new debate. Still as good as the first time I saw it live several years ago.

[@hollier8638]

I've been scrolling trying to answer that question 😊 I saw this, not bad at all. Thx 4 sharing your comment

[@leroyjenkins3744]

Yeah ig they’re running out of ideas lol

[@johnelliott5859]

Maybe Mr. Ham is trying to trick you by presenting an edited version of the debate.

[@mosesmartinez97]

they need to do another imo lol

[@-RandomBiz-]

That's probably not the first time you were tricked by a Christian into absorbing their dogma.

[@katamas832]

To the question of what could convince them of being wrong: Bill Nye said: Evidence Ken Ham said: Nothing Enough said

[@CelticSpiritsCoven]

Ken knows that you won't present any evidence to prove him wrong. Bill literally denied the evidence that was presented to him.

[@Jewonastick]

​@@CelticSpiritsCovenLike what? Where did Ken present evidence?

[@CelticSpiritsCoven]

@@Jewonastick You obviously didn't comprehend the video. I don't have to spell it out for you. In fact, don't waste our time by posting about subjects that are so far above your head. You aren't elite.

[@cractrick9225]

😂 so you had time to respond and then reply to his response, but you don't have time to show evidence for your claim you just intellectual grand stand like your better because he's didn't see where you side showed any evidence.

[@katamas832]

​@@CelticSpiritsCovenAfter that statement, why would I? He literally admits that no amount of evidence can convince him otherwise. The evidence I'd show would be for their flock; but after AIG lied about Evolution to them for decades, I'd first have to undo the lies and have them understand Evolution, because without that my evidence wouldn't be worth much. Which is a losing battle 90% of the time because they wish to remain in their ignorance.

[@zircon7634]

We need more debates

[@mekavio8231]

you mean real debates, or heavely edited to portray one party as "correct and just" ?

[@zircon7634]

@@mekavio8231 I just meant more debates in general. If there it a tilt one way or the other it's based on the intelligence of the viewer to tell. Just watch the mainstream news, as it's a prime example.

[@mekavio8231]

@@zircon7634 ok i agree, decent debates with neutral moderators : like "modern day debates" on youtube.. right ?

[@Mhats]

we have plenty and there gonna be no end to it creationist: the LORD made the earth 6k year ago scientists: we actually have evidence that the earth is older than 6k creationist: no you don't because the bible says so creationist: the LORD made man in his own image scientists: we found that there were many human species, and the younger they are the more they look like us creation: no you don't because the bible says so

[@user-zr6pl6nb6z]

I've always liked Ken Ham.

[@HenryGibbs-u2r]

Until Noah's flood. Nothing on earth knew what rain was.

[@Nemo12417]

Do you even understand what the water cycle is?

[@HenryGibbs-u2r]

Water cycle of begining or rain?

[@whyaskwhybuddry]

To tell you how unsincere Nye was during this debate, he left out of the conversation that the Wyoming was operational for 14 years before it sank. The Ark didn't have sails and only had to be seaworthy for year. In this debate Nye promised to "Parchute a team of experts in to analyze any site claiming to be Noahs Ark." He has yet to follow thru on the Durpinar site with such an Air Aaault.

[@whyaskwhybuddry]

@frankslim592 Ham dismissed the site without doing a complete Forensic and Archaeological investigation. Others, like Andrew Jones and the University of Ankara weren't so quick to write it off. Most Scientists dismiss the Durpinar site simply because of who made the finding...Ron Wyatt, a Nashville Nurse Anesthetist who spent his own money for his research trips and never submitted ONE Grant Proposal. He wasn’t out for fame or a Nobel Prize. Most Christians, like Ham, who also reject the site do so because they have Doctrinal differences with 7th Day Adventists. "Science" is supposed to be about "The Truth" regardless of who's ox gets gored in the process.

[@whyaskwhybuddry]

@udhehfhehcuw9169 Nope. The Flood Account is History, Geology, Genetic and Archaeological. Noahs Ark National Park 39°26'30"N 44°12'52"E Noah's Homestead 39°37'56.27"N 43°59'3.96"E

[@whyaskwhybuddry]

@udhehfhehcuw9169 Genetics proves the Bible Science 1997, "Calculating the Mitochondrial Clock" "For example, researchers have calculated that "mitochondrial Eve"--the woman whose mtDNA was ancestral to that in all living people--lived 100,000 to 200,000 years ago in Africa. Using the new clock, she would be a mere 6000 years old. No one thinks that's the case, but at what point should models switch from one mtDNA time zone to the other?" -- Human Y-DNA proves the Bible Karmin, et al 2015 --- Dog DNA proves the Bible Origins of dogs traced by Matthew Binns Animal Health Trust. Friday, 22 November, 2002, 05:03 GMT By Christine McGourty BBC science correspondent "It looks as if 95% of current dogs come from just three original founding females" Three research teams have attempted to solve some long-standing puzzles in the evolution and social history of dogs. Their findings, reported in the journal Science, point to the existence of probably three founding females - the so-called "Eves" of the dog world. They conclude that intensive breeding by humans over the last 500 years - not different genetic origins - is responsible for the dramatic differences in appearance among modern dogs." --- Mitochondrial CO1 gene of over 100,000 animal types proves the Bible Far from special: Humanity's tiny DNA differences are 'average' in animal kingdom by Rockefeller University Experts have interpreted low genetic variation among living humans as a result of our recent expansion from a small population in which a sequence from one mother became the ancestor for all modern human mitochondrial sequences," says Dr. Thaler. "Our paper strengthens the argument that the low variation in the mitochondrial DNA of modern humans also explains the similar low variation found in over 90% of living animal species-we all likely originated by similar processes and most animal species are likely young." Genetic variation does not increase with population The study results represent a surprise given predictions found in textbooks, and based on mathematical models of evolution, that the bigger the population of a species, the greater the genetic variation one expects to find. "Is genetic diversity related to the size of the population?" asks Dr. Stoeckle. "The answer is no. The mitochondrial diversity within 7.6 billion humans or 500 million house sparrows or 100,000 sandpipers from around the world is about the same."

[@whyaskwhybuddry]

@frankslim592 No, the Epic Of Gilgamesh and 200 other Flood Accounts derived from the singular account described in the Bible. What the Sumerians got right was the GPS coordinates of the Durpinar site which has been dedicated as "Noah's Ark National Park" on 20 Jun 1987 by the Turkish Government. 3D Ground radar scans and shallow excavations have proven that the 3-story, 515 foot long Ark made of laminated wood and metal alloy rivets is encased in an ancient landslide.

[@whyaskwhybuddry]

@@Moist._Robot Don't just bury your head in sand and accept the Pablum you're fed. Do your own research on places like Shuruppak, Iraq And the Noah's Ark Scans website

[@watchtrain7433]

I so loved how he slipped in the Gospel.

[@mekavio8231]

you mean "smuggled"

[@lucypevensie6284]

true followers of Christ just cant help it :)

[@leroyjenkins3744]

⁠@@lucypevensie6284yeah we know

[@leroyjenkins3744]

@SheepOfChrist818it also says not to boast and evangelical Christians are ironically not exactly known for their humbleness

[@leroyjenkins3744]

⁠@SheepOfChrist818are you trinitarian? Cuz if Jesus is also God then that means we are supposed to be as much like God as well, right? Do you think the God of the Bible is humble, peaceful, and moral? Cuz I wouldn’t

[@lennydee3538]

Why has it been edited? That bothers me. Did you remove awkward silence. Or a point you did not want me to hear?

[@jellybean5929]

Yeah it’s the deep state bruh

[@linamarie84]

Exactly. It shows it in the description...but...most people don't look at that..

[@andreimaxwell4455]

"We need to define terms correctly." ok... like "Is magic a viable source of logical and reasonable explanation to the universe?"

[@shxpsixcreative4318]

Actually magic* would fit, but it would also fit for the description of your DNA and molecular physiology. And the environment in which we interact daily.... So.. while you thought you had a *gotcha You're actually just magic yourself.... So.... Yea... The question is the same

[@dennishagans6339]

Ok, can you show me the multiverse, secularists say its real and we need to deal with it, you see the fine tunning issue is a big problem for secularists, their answer a multiverse, where there are an infinite number of universes, and we just happened to get one where everything is just right for life to be possible. But I sure would like to see another universe, but we are told that even with the very best technology possible we can never see another universe because they are moving away from each other incredibly fast. We are scolded for our belief in the supernatural, a good definition of which is 1: of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe. So we are mocked and made fun of for our belief of existence beyond the visible observable universe. Gee that sounds just like the multiverse, it is also a thing of existence beyond the visible observable universe, when Christians believe in an existence above and beyond that which is natural we are mocked and made fun of for that belief, but when scientists go there we are told its real and we had better deal with it. “‘The multiverse is not some kind of optional thing, like can you supersize or not,’ says Raphael Bousso, a theoretical physicist at the University of California, Berkeley. Our own cosmological history, he says, tells us that ‘it's there and we need to deal with it.” Robert Adler. Ultimate guide to the multiverse. New Scientist. 28 November 2011. The magic multiverse explains away the myriad of fine tuning problems like the waving a of a magicians wand, presto chango magic multiverse now appear!!!

[@shxpsixcreative4318]

@@dennishagans6339 no one scolded anyone for believing in a multiverse. Lol You're being to much

[@dennishagans6339]

@@shxpsixcreative4318 You missed the whole point. We are told that only natural processes that can be observed are valid for discussion in scientific circles, the multiverse no matter how good our tech becomes is unobservable period, all of the infinite universes are moving away from each other so fast, so they can never be observed. Oh dear what was that definition again? um gee oh ya: supernatural, a good definition of which is 1: of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe. The multiverse is supernatural, it is impossible to observe it, it is conjecture, hypothesis, a flight of fancy, FAITH!!! atheists hatched the multiverse to fix their dilemma of the fine tunning issue, because if any one of many cosmological constants were changed by fractions our universe would be unsuitable for life, so they hatched the multiverse to answer the fine tunning issue. They themselves who have stated many times over only natural observable processes and or things that can be repeated in a lab count, so to save themselves from the fine tuner they have hatched the unobservable unprovable multiverse because the big bang theory needs it or they are stuck with a fine tuner. That is the whole point, atheists are invoking something they disapprove of, something unobservable to save the big bang theory from the fine tunning issue. no multiverse and they have to deal with the insurmountable fine tunning issue.

[@lillianspark8781]

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. God could be using technology.

[@THEDOORIZCLOSED]

“Billions of believers who do not accept Hams model.” This is me🙋🏽‍♀️

[@Nigel.123]

Scorched earth victory for Ken Ham. Ignore the trolls.

[@VileAce]

Would have loved to see the unedited version of the debate.

[@ohthelushlife]

This debate was the catalyst for my deconversion, thank you, creationists, for showing me the ridiculousness of my indoctrination!

[@larryhorton8384]

One debate caused you to loose faith? I have a feeling you’re just saying that to spark a debate and you never truly believed. But I’ll bite. Can you prove the “biogenesis” hypothesis correct? You’d be the first if you can. I can prove the Bible has supernatural attributes. I can prove it through the mathematical probability of prophetic accuracy.

[@smykulec]

@@larryhorton8384now ill bite, what prophetic accuracy can you demostrate? And what does mathematical probability have to do with it? Just because science cant answer a question doesnt mean you should substitute it with a supernatural being. What about all the questions the bible cant answer? And the things we know the bible got wrong? Reason and logic are the bibles worse enemies

[@Autistic_R4tard]

Welcome aboard, congratulations on becoming an atheist/agnostic/deist or whatever faith you have converted into that dosen’t hold your intellectual curiosity and freedom be held hostage by iron age philosophy.

[@larryhorton8384]

@@smykulec what prophetic accuracy am I referring to? How about Israel itself. The Jewish people being scattered into the “gentile nations” and 2k years later being reunited in their home only to be surrounded by nations who want to destroy them. All prerecorded. No other nation or people has ever returned as a sovereign state after being invaded, destroyed and scattered for so long. The odds are astronomical. Also, Christ alone fulfilled hundreds of prophetic events, and we know for a fact that the Old Testament was written before He walked this world because of the Dead Sea scrolls. I don’t even have enough space to type out the exact prophecy Daniel wrote about the rise and fall of the Greeks, Persians, Romans. Alexander the Great to a T. But it’s mind blowing and I suggest you look it up.

[@larryhorton8384]

@@smykulec I never suggested you should “insert God” when you can’t answer something. But to believe and teach “biogenesis theory” as fact is absurd and devoid of any “logic or reason” as we don’t observe it and CANNOT reproduce it. (Science’s very definition) We can’t test it, you just have to take it at faith. the irony. Evolution is simply the secular humanist’s religion. Chaos doesn’t bring order, not even on the molecular level. A biogenesis cannot explain the origin of life because it cannot explain the origin of information. Complex structured information requires an intelligent mind. The logical answer is there is an intelligent Creator. You’ll have to actually list some things the you think the Bible got wrong for me to address them.

[@marilynh593]

Oh my! Ken Hamm, you did very well trying to explain your position. However, maybe helping Bill Nye to know that the Bible is a compilation of many books written over time and indeed are not all the books written, for instance, are in the Roman Catholic Bible, the Protestant Bible, the Greek Orthodox Bible, and various others... but were compiled by men of old, some even after the appearance of the Christ. For instance, before the Christ, the Hebrews had compiled the Torah. Creation was of God and by God. I pray that Mr. Nye would investigate further and not let the science of men be his one and only god. I believe it might cause him trouble later on, when he meets the one true God.

[@towerklok125]

Bill Nys was basically crying for an answer. He is starving for real truth BUT he wants proof of it. That’s not faith and I love how the Holy Spirit was moving through Ken not allowing Ken to give bill what he was looking for.

[@jockyoung4491]

And that is why faith cannot be used as science

[@Ledinosour673]

so just "believe it blindly" over "look for evidence" ? Creationist mentality never ceazes to amaze me

[@krystlebravo4629]

@@Ledinosour673your missing the point. Ken was pointing out Bills lack of evidence the whole time. In other words he’s believing his “evidence” blindly because he’s going off of only what he can observe rather than having historical evidence for his observations. All of naturalisms evidence are guesstimates. You can’t date fix nature with a changing climate. He’s completely inconsistent. Like Ken said humans are the only intelligence that can record keep so dating off from genealogy makes far more sense.

[@radianthaze5332]

“Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.” Hebrews 11:1

[@radianthaze5332]

Real faith is not blind-it’s based on evidence, both observational and historical. I hope that helps.

[@Jesus_is_otw]

God is good! Keep up the great work Ken! Praise the Lord!

[@Jesus_is_otw]

@@ThyBountyHunter ? Why can’t God bring calamity upon His enemies? That’s what the Hebrew means when it says He creates evil. The word means calamity/disaster.

[@Jesus_is_otw]

@@ThyBountyHunter the Hebrew word means calamity. God brought calamity on those who continued to sin against Him all throughout the Old Testament. Those who continued to rebel and forsake Him. “And as for this house, which is exalted, everyone who passes by it will be astonished and will hiss, and say, ‘Why has the Lord done thus to this land and to this house?’ Then they will answer, ‘Because they forsook the Lord their God, who brought their fathers out of the land of Egypt, and have embraced other gods, and worshiped them and served them; therefore the Lord has brought all this calamity on them.’ ”” ‭‭I Kings‬ ‭9‬:‭8‬-‭9‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ The word calamity is also rendered “evil” in the KJV. Please research these things before reading one verse and making a judgement against your Creator.

[@Vagus32000]

I have always loved how evolutionists reject an all powerful God but believe that time can be all powerful instead.

[@freeinhabitant2422]

Oh, man that's an excellent Observation. Time is the evolution god.

[@freeinhabitant2422]

@@razark9A Do you know what an ad hominem is, good sir? You guys never engage in real debate, only attacks, slanders, ridicule - because at the end of the debate, that is all you got.

[@Vagus32000]

@@razark9 Y’all do believe that time is all powerful. That’s why you insist on millions/billions of years. That’s why none of you can point to anything truly evolving in recent history.

[@AnaseSkyrider]

What a vacuous comment, Vagus. Time is not "all powerful", it's an observed fact of nature that time exists -- it's not spouting incantation spells, going abracadabra, to WILL things into being like your god. Processes occur over time and it's demonstrable that some processes require significant periods of time to transpire. That's it. Your dislike of robust foundational scientific models doesn't mean you can call whatever you want like it's a pejorative.

[@TheRizo0]

​@@Vagus32000 The flu virus changes every year. COVID-19 had many variants. Bacteria can evolve/mutate to become resistant to antibiotics. So yes in recent history life can evolve.... But you don't believe any of that. Education has failed you.

[@olliverklozov2789]

Ham: don't make assumptions about the past because you weren't there also Ham: Jesus is proof (was he there?)

[@_help_me_please_]

This is hilarious. Ham said that he absolutely makes assumptions in his beliefs. His point is that atheists like Neil won't admit that they use just as many assumptions in their day-to-day life.

[@lithembasomta3141]

No Ken argues that both beliefs are founded on worldviews and challenges Bill to admit it

[@parithon2397]

One problem with your theory, the word of God through Jesus was observed by others and documented. No assumptions were made there. You can disbelieve the eye witness accounts, just as you can today, but it is hardly an assumption.

[@JohnJohnson-ew3vz]

​@@parithon2397lol well you weren't there when these "observers" documented said things, youre just believing that they weren't lying you werent there. Theory holds up

[@parithon2397]

@@JohnJohnson-ew3vz that would be an awful lot of conspirators/liars then; and with that thought process we cannot believe any eyewitness testimony no matter the amount of people whose recollections are corroborated.

[@thebravesoul]

I watched the full debate some years ago as well as the one while Mr. Nye and Mr. Ham were walking through the Ark Encounter. While both were civil, I agree with all of Mr. Nye's points. If humans and dinosaurs coexisted, as Mr. Ham claims, how come no fossils of humans and dinosaurs have turned up in the same geologic layer? Likewise, a global flood was impossible roughly 5,000 years ago, since there are historical records of civilizations thriving. Not dying. The Egyptians were going into their second dynasty and started construction on the Great Pyramid at that time. Not to mention the Yazidi calendar has been going on for over 6,000 years as though the people were never wiped out. Finally, there is no contemporary historical evidence for Jesus. Isn't it odd how a miracle worker who attracted large crowds went completely unnoticed during his lifetime? This is why evidence matters when one asserts his/her beliefs as truth. Ham has not offered any reason to believe other than the Bible says so. The Bible, as well as every other holy book, is just a claim. There has to be evidence outside the source to back it up.

[@leoneljuarez8378]

Different strokes for different folks! As for me and my house we will serve the Lord Jesus Christ! Amen! ✝️

[@angelamurphy6233]

What if I told you that organizations such as the Smithsonian have been hiding and lying about a lot of discoveries. Take Giants, for example. They've been acquiring the bones and hiding their existence for a very long time. Lied about finding mummies in pyramids. I could go on. Point is, who's to say they have been telling the truth about what they find in which rock layers?

[@amyunick5674]

The Bible is inspired word of God written by over 40 people in 66 books that back up either don't contradict and it's truth. Just read it and may God open your eyes!

[@dysfunctional_vet]

actually they do appear with fossils you don't hear about it often, but, yes they do

[@bigshock_]

there are several sites dedicated to talking about the contradictions in the books, I believe that gods word would certainly be perfect, not backtalking different things.@@amyunick5674

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Kristi Burke and Mindshift offer excellent reasons to question the Bible and address it's many problems.

[@philosophyandreligion3442]

A simple thought experiment: If we could start human development over and over again 1000 times at the beginning of us being human, what % of the time would we write the same exact stories that appear in the Bible compared with the % of times we would reach the same scientific theories as we have now? To me the answer is obvious.

[@rcnfo1197]

Great thought experiment! One of the foundations of science is repeatability, replicating someone's experiment and getting the same result. Sound conclusions rely on sound evidence, and the avoidance of personal or confirmation bias. Faith on the other hand relies too much on imagination and personal feelings or intuition. The results are clear: science produces a general concensus about our universe, how it works and how we can improve our lives, and it works! Whereas faith is stuck interpreting ancient texts, dividing into more and more camps and endless arguments about who has the right "truth."

[@jarsa4099]

but you can't, you create a game with your rules, in which chance rules. It's a deceptive trick. Chance does not exist, there is no intention in chance, it is based on the assumption that evolution is a fact. Your argument, your logic and your "obvious answer" is pathetic.

[@philosophyandreligion3442]

@@jarsa4099 Your argument is based on your beliefs. Faith. No way to prove anything. That's your right, of course. My point has nothing to do with what you "debunked." I'm simply saying that humans studying the world around them would eventually reach the same conclusions-that the earth is a sphere, we revolve around our sun, 2+2=4 in whatever language one would think of, if you drop a rock it falls to the ground, and on and on and... 🖖🏻

[@l-jahlu-l]

After watching this Bill Nye made me more of a believer than I have been, I would question and take into consideration what scientists would have to say about the bible but here it seemed as if he just wanted to take God out of our modern day understanding of science. To me it seemed he just wanted to remove the probability of there being a creator of the universe. Thank you Mr. Ham, for showing me a lot of what they consider to be factual about the world we live in but in reality its just their own understanding and probabilities of how this world came to be.

[@djayk9692]

As a scientist, Nye is a poor spokesperson to represent the greater community in a platform such as this.

[@l-jahlu-l]

Doesn’t he have the same arguments on where modern day scientists stand? What’s so poor about his stance on this?

[@Entomology314]

No one is trying to stop you from believing. You can understand evolution whilst still believing in God. Many evolutionary biologists believe that God created the universe. The Bible is a textbook on morality, not science. Using it as a science textbook is a gross misuse of scripture.

[@djayk9692]

@@Entomology314 Agreed. So many devoted creationists try to point out that because there are creationists who are also based scientists or beliefs based-in science, is somehow supposed to trump evolutionists, or evolutionary fundamentalists altogether. Further agree that though the Bible may have stories in which can be explained by science or use science to defend the historical ‘accuracy’, the morality of the Bible is what is far more important. Some people entrench themselves so passionately on the events and wrath of the Old Testament, that they forget the more important redemption of the New Testament.

[@Entomology314]

@@djayk9692 It’s kinda sad how few young earth creationists understand the concept of a metaphor and the fact that a story doesn’t have to be 100% historically and scientifically accurate to have any valid points.

[@charynfrances294]

I fully agree with everything Ken Ham is saying, and depend totally on the Bible for interpretation of everything we see around us. It all boils down to one thing; the world and everything around us was created by a PERSON, who could intervene in the historical process of the earth if He chose to, which He did in the Flood, as described in Genesis 6-9. If the physical existence of everything we see came about by itself, with no creating hand, it could not have intervened in its own history. The Biblical account is fully reliable and trustworthy.

[@sorenjensen3863]

I'm hoping this is satire, just for my faith in mankind...

[@richardstevenwalz4968]

Another brainwashed imbecile.

[@Forastero011]

You sound like an ape that just learned to read.

[@scottmattern3437]

God help you as you’re not a smart or bright person.

[@shannonwilliams9744]

I enjoyed this debate really enjoy watching debates real debates especially now-a-days

[@williamwilson9373]

Bill Nye... that guy 😊

[@tamlynburleigh9267]

Ken won because he presented facts. Bill had nothing but obscurantism.

[@thorpeaaron1110]

What facts did he present?

[@vernonhedge4530]

Fair play that Bill Nye came to debate Ken Ham, and in 2014 - when most secularist science publicists were too haughty to, crying "don't give Creationists a platform". nothing gets advanced without debate. This was a well conducted debate. Fair play to Bill Nye, Ken Ham and AiG.

[@bn2870]

Oh man… the more the merrier… the more creationists on a platform the better. The quicker it will get ridiculed and die.

[@grayhamgrayhamson1466]

I honestly don’t think debates do anything to convince people. One of these people believes the world is 4000 years old because of their religion. If you Instead follow the evidence you’ll find that it’s not 4000 years old. But if you are indoctrinated into this religion you will choose to not follow the evidence, because your religion means everything to you. Listening to speeches doesn’t prove anything to anyone. You need to be intelligent enough and focused enough to understand the actual evidence that is put forward. Then you can weigh it up and know which one is the most likely to be true.

[@MrDmadness]

Creationists don't have a platform, they don't understand the difference between fiction and reality. Religion is brain cancer

[@gwanael34]

You can't debate magic tho as proven by this debate when ken outright Says nothing could change how mind.

[@gabrielsanchez5553]

​@@gwanael34Thus the part where Nye keep asking the audience to analyze and think what is at stake by letting creationists dictate how you perceive the world around you. Which will put the wrong people in power that will dictate the laws, rules and regulations of how you can behave, believe, research, etc.

[@Gil_552]

Very good video

[@HunterChristianDarkman]

Seems to me that all of Nye's assertions have been successfully rebutted, and even confirmed by secular scientists.

[@Jewonastick]

Like what? Evolution is still an observed fact and one of the most well substantiated scientific theories there is...

[@elijahweaver7135]

​@@Jewonastickcan you give any evidence?

[@HunterChristianDarkman]

@@Jewonastick You are incorrect. Evolution requires the addition of new information (not duplicate strings) to the genome to add a new and unique feature to an organism to change it to something else that is then better. Even the longest running "evolution" experiment involving E.Coli, despite its claims, started with E.Coli, and still has nothing but E.Coli. It's an epic fail. I have a long standing challenge (that's never been met) for anyone to provide even one properly documented case of the observation of one organism changing into another, better one. Feel free to have the last word.

[@CelticSpiritsCoven]

@@Jewonastick Micro-evolution has been observed [bird's beaks] However Macro-evolution [bird changes into a horse] has never been observed. Proof of micro isn't proof of macro. Where are all the transitional species? I don't see any around. Do you see any? Evolution is not proven true. It's a myth created by people who just hate God and don't want him to exist.

[@Jewonastick]

@@elijahweaver7135 Get an education

[@squeaksohko5863]

Around the 31 minute mark you can see Bill Nye's world view effect his math lol maybe it's not winter summer, winter summer.. maybe it's hot cold, hot cold. There are 365 days in a year and the temperature isn't always the same every day. 140 warmer days throughout the year can account for all those "snow ice" rings. It doesn't need to be winter-summer. It could be dry, rainy, cold, hot multiple times in a single year creating several rings in a single year.

[@allenbrown2482]

Let's think about this logically, we all can observe that when it snows, it only happens once per day for a measurable amount of time and never snows any other day of the year until 364 days have passed. Also, there are 2 explanations for the plane under so much snow: 1) the aliens recently revealed in Mexico; 2) we Christians buried it that deep to cover up the lie obviously.

[@squeaksohko5863]

​@@allenbrown2482I really hope you're being facetious or maybe you live in Arizona and it really only snows once a year lol

[@TheDjnatronic]

Information predates the Universe, Bill can't explain how information got here.

[@vld7850]

That is KEY, nothing cannot "create" anything just look at computers that is the same as DNA there cannot be a programmer without a creator

[@leroyjenkins3744]

What is information? Define it

[@TheDjnatronic]

@@leroyjenkins3744 Maybe we can define it together, each particle caries information, speed, spin, mass for example I would maybe define Information as the quantifiable properties of elements of the universe? How do you have a big bang without energy? The amount of energy would be information

[@leroyjenkins3744]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@TheDjnatronicthanks for the kind reply. Most people just reply by insulting intelligence, but you seem genuine. I would agree that a partial gives us information via speed, spin, mass, etc. I would also agree that you can’t have the Big Bang without energy. But I think we need to look to thermodynamics for that question. Energy cannot be created not destroyed, so that’s simple. There was energy for the Big Bang to, well, bang. When I think of information, I think of learning something. I think knowing the properties of a particle is information like you do, but I would ask you is the absence of something information too? In the realm of quantum mechanics we see a particle being in two places at once but when observed it’s only in one place. Did we learn anything from that lost particle? I’d say we did. I would argue that there is no “loss of information” in the realm of particles and molecules especially with respect to DNA. A loss or change in a nucleotide in the sequence can massively change the gene translated. This is new information even though we lost something. To summarize my position, I don’t think information is as physical a concept as you say. It’s more philosophical and metaphysical. Abstract concepts like the lack of something can yield new information. Hope this helps

[@Namrevlis1938]

Gobekli Tepe, recently unearthed in Turkey, is approximately 30,000 years old.

[@tommywatson4303]

These numbers you are getting from humans that made up the way to figure that out. Nobody saw that tree 30,000 years ago because nobody was here that long ago

[@jamesmichaelcunningham5547]

What method was used to arrive at 30,000 years?

[@curtflory7147]

Bill Nye is a classic example of a person described in Paul's letter to the church in Rome; Professing themselves to be wise they became fools and exchanged the glory of God for a lie.

[@conservativeriot5939]

You need to disclose that this is an old debate.

[@damstr8345]

Bill is just Hollywood.

[@tmoney8180]

Bingo

[@leroyjenkins3744]

And Ken is just propaganda

[@baden4462]

@@leroyjenkins3744o was gonna say he’s just wrong

[@tmaestaz98]

Ham got owned here and during the Tour of the Ark, ham showed his true delusion and the delusion of religion. Ham has no facts🤦🏽‍♂️

[@stick80]

You can't fix stupid.

[@stephenfloyd3522]

God Bless you Ken Ham. Been reading your books all my life. Also Henry Morrison and many others. The facts support the Bible and in time more evidence comes out.

[@Baruchiel]

The sun, moon, and stars were made for signs and seasons. We we were made from the dust of the earth. In the beginning the earth was void and formless and the dust was gathered into land to seperate the waters above from the waters below.

[@maseharper959]

Wow, so deep. Do you have an actual argument, or are you just going to keep making unfalsifiable claims?

[@Baruchiel]

I would rather be unfalsefied than falsified like most scientific theory.

[@Baruchiel]

The Word of God does not change and scientific theory is changing everyday by new discoveries in physics and I would rather believe in a creator than man who will never know all things.

[@joshuabuschbacher6776]

@@maseharper959it is.. actually quite deep to be honest. The question is, why does this statement alone bother you so?

[@philipmcclure6273]

I have a question for Bill Nye: if the Grand Canyon's rock layers, as well as many others, formed over millions of years, why are they as flat as a pool table? Why is there no sign of erosion?

[@rubber2023]

Christian explanation: quick deposition from the Flood. too little time passes to significantly erode. millions of years of erosion would make it rough.

[@leroyjenkins3744]

I’m no geologist, but if I had to guess it would be a mixture of billions of years of immense pressure on the rocks forming flat surfaces. This is probably why the deeper we go the flatter the layers are. Or it could be because the Grand Canyon used to be full of water and has since receded. It still has some water in it now actually.

[@grayhamgrayhamson1466]

He’s not a geologist, it’d be something worth asking a geologist…. But you aren’t actually asking are you, You think your question is some sort of gotcha lol. you’ve already decided that the Iron Age mythology you believe in has all the answers. We live in a sort of theme park made by a god who sent himself to sacrifice himself so he’d forgive the people he created for doing things he knew they’d do.

[@bigshock_]

the canyon itself is the evidence, it wasn't always a canyon, the canyon just allows you to see the different layers. Rock doesn't melt down, it wears away due to dust, water and other rocks, that means that the actual layers will only fall away or maybe bulge up or down (which is something that can be seen as not all layers are perfectly horizontal). the Layers were formed slowly, one upon the other, and then eventually the canyon was formed AND the canyon was slowly getting deeper.

[@oliverduke1173]

@@leroyjenkins3744 mineral deposits "veins" do not support this. They would then also be "planes"

[@johntandy8918]

I can't believe Bill Nye the bowtie guy still believes that nonsense 🙏

[@joelwiebe1868]

One word. Money.

[@johntandy8918]

@@razark9 evolution isn't science, it's a belief system

[@johntandy8918]

@@joelwiebe1868 probably

[@potatoxgaming9466]

@@razark9 Atheism does not even fit in science cause it does not make sense. Science is about absorbing the truth from the environment. Our body has a lot of intention and intention is a trail of intellectual being or a creator. This statement can be demonstrated and observed 24/7. We are the evidence of GOD. Unless you believe our body has no intention or intention can be achieved without a intellectual being then there is no GOD but that would make you delusional.

[@jsharp9735]

@@razark9 His uniformitarian natural materialism based on BB and abiogenesis, which are both scientifically impossible. Plus redshift has alternative explanations that are not distance related.

[@bcfc18751]

Having listened from start to finish I believe the following; up until my 40’s (I’m 65 now) I was a non believer in God, the Bible and the Trinity. Having read and researched Scripture I have come to the conclusion that God gives us all freedom of choice. To believe or not to believe. My life has changed for the better! 🙏🏼✝️😊🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Read John 3:16-18… Jesus Christ done that for us all.

[@friisteching3433]

What made you think the scripture was being truthfull?

[@friisteching3433]

@@Who_IsLike_God I don't believe you, could you demonstrate the story of, Noah and the flood, for example?

[@friisteching3433]

@@Who_IsLike_God gather your evidence and argue your case.

[@friisteching3433]

@@Who_IsLike_God if you have to exclude evidence in your interpretation and I don't. Your interpretation is discarded. Interpretation has the same amount of evidence, the one with the fewest unproven assumptions are like the true one, we are able to we don't know which one is correct and not pick a stance. When this happens we should look for more evidence.

[@secrandell]

Bill Nye is Nye a scientist. He’s a comedian. His start was in Seattle on Almost Live. His scientific credentials comes from a TV show that said he was a science guy. Science guy is not equal to scientist.

[@M3GASQUID]

His scientific credentials come from his education and career as a mechanical engineering scientist. His start as a science educator came from his standup side hustle. He was educated and worked as a scientist prior to moving into comedy and science education. What is your point?

[@EE-ut5wk]

This debate is the perfect example to cite John 20:29 Then Jesus said to him, “You have come to believe because you have seen me. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have come to believe.” Let's pray for Bill Nye to open his mind and heart. I truly believe that if he opens up, he will find the truth, which is the way for the eternal life. Dear Jesus, with your infinite love and wisdom, touch the heart of Bill, talk to him as you talked to so many people and place in him the mustard seed, so that he can start the search for You. If he converts, he can be an incredible witness and convert many lost souls.

[@pianogal853]

57:51 that's the second time Bill claims that Ken said natural law has changed - Ken didn't say that - to what is he referring?

[@aaronadamson7463]

Nye argues against the strawman he constructed, not against the man in front of him

[@leroyjenkins3744]

He refers to phenomena that we observe today at set rates (ex:tree ring formation). He says these suggest the earth is far older than 6,000 years old. Ken says that these do not prove the earth is older because we weren’t there in the past to observe these rates so they could have been different. It’s called shifting the goal posts

[@aaronadamson7463]

@leroyjenkins3744 if you are referring to the supposedly 9k year old tree, that was not aged with tree ring counting, it was done with carbon14 dating

[@leroyjenkins3744]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@aaronadamson7463and? Carbon dating is also what Ken claims didn’t always work like we observe currently. There’s no evidence to suggest that carbon14 decay has ever been a different rate. It’s a well researched and tested method that has limitations, but in the case of that 9,000 year old tree, it is a a accurate as we can get it. Also there is a tree that we did use ring dating to find it to be about 5,000 years old. I’m sure Ken would be in full support of tree ring dating if it confirms his young earth. Ken only accepts science when it confirms his preconceived opinions.

[@AnaseSkyrider]

@@leroyjenkins3744 Not to mention that processes like radioactivity rely on fundamental constants which, if altered, either completely destabilizes all matter, or releases so much heat energy as to turn the entire surface of Earth into molten lava, depending on how you try to make up physics to comport with a young Earth.

[@PoliticalPoke]

Man oh man… the mainstream stuff isn’t flying anymore Nye

[@TruthandnothingbutTHEtruth.]

Bills arguments weren’t even arguments, it was more like pouting

[@Astroqualia]

Intellectual snobbiness because he "knows" he is right. It's very common in reformed/calvinist circles as well.

[@TruthandnothingbutTHEtruth.]

@@Astroqualia yea I’ve seen John macArthur act the same way.

[@leroyjenkins3744]

Kinda hard to argue with someone who denies science

[@TruthandnothingbutTHEtruth.]

@@leroyjenkins3744 who’s denying science???

[@leroyjenkins3744]

@@TruthandnothingbutTHEtruth.Ken. Like all the time. It’s actually more rare to see him accurately portray science than not

[@treesquatch9150]

BN, argument is: "it's not reasonable to me" that is not a meaningful argument, you'd think he'd provide some evidence or at the minimumsomethingthatwouldbe considered logical. As the debate went on his thoughts and arguments never evolved, he never responded to what Dr Ham presented...what I heard from BN : "well this is a great mystery" and "nobody knows why".

[@bn2870]

I think he was just trying to be respectful.

[@Pawsforthought222]

Im 100% with Ken Ham,not blind naive believing,but based on science , confirming the biblical account❤😊

[@Jewonastick]

Ever read the statement of faith on the AIG website? They ADMIT that they are willing to IGNORE science when it conflicts with their religious beliefs... Science does NOT confirm what Ken says

[@katamas832]

He literally says nothing could convince him of being wrong lol

[@rubber2023]

@@Jewonastick They dont ignore true science. They only ignore the fake science called evilution. Science: here-and-now observational testing. mechanics of the universe. created by God. evilution: Speculation on the past. Very uncertain. its theories change all the time even tho its been around for 200+/- years. made by man.

[@rubber2023]

@@Moist._Robot This is a comedy of lies by frankslim. God tells us to not lie. Ken is a fundamental Christian. It's illogical to accuse Ken of lying.

[@thepassman]

Awesome debate! The book "Evolution: The Fossils Still Say No" by Dr. Duane T. Gish clinched it for me that Darwinism is completely invalid. Kudos to Ken Ham!

[@friisteching3433]

What do you think is the best point the book brings up?

[@thepassman]

1. The abrupt appearance of a great variety of highly complex forms of life. No evolutionary ancestors for these animals can be found anywhere on the Earth. 2. The abrupt appearance of the higher categories of plants and animals with no evidence of transitional forms between these basic types. Example, the Coelacanth fish long believed to have been extinct for over 60 million years from discovered fossils was found alive and thriving off of the South African coast in 1938. No transitional fossils of marine mammals showing an adaptation from land to sea have ever been found@@friisteching3433

[@friisteching3433]

​@@thepassmanabrupt appearance? I am guessing it means the hundred thousand years of cambrian explosion. Some creatures change others don't, Horseshoe Crab is one of the oldest barely changing creatures. But we have also seen specieation in fruit flies. Marine mammals ancestors are likely: Ambulocetus, odontocetes or mysticetes (depending of what type of marine mammal).

[@thepassman]

Sharks and Crocodiles too though sharks I seem to remember from fossil teeth were around for a longer period of time. For marine mammals no transitional forms that I know of have been found in the fossil record where you can see the limbs morph into fins/flappers over time.@@friisteching3433

[@thepassman]

This will blow your mind. No disrespect to Ken Ham or other Christians. The original translation of Genesis from Hebrew to English did lose much in accurate meaning. The Hebrew words Barra and Reshiyth for example. I personally still believe in the account that God created both the Heavens and the Earth. That being said the opening of Genesis indicates that the Earth already existed before this current phase of "creation of life", "being void and without form". Some scholars now consider this to mean that the age of the Earth and the Heavens is much, much older than 6,000 years. This would also suggest a repurposing of the Earth for the life we see today, started approximately 6,000 years ago. This is also in keeping with what the Book of Revelations describe at the end of the ages of a "New Earth" and a "New Heaven". @@friisteching3433

[@AlexSmith-fj2zn]

Bill absolutely destroyed Ken. Good to see.

[@leoneljuarez8378]

🗣️ 🗣️ Speak for yourself, I disagree! Amen! ✝️

[@iamazania]

Bill is a good speaker and he can make historical science seem like fact(it is not).But I recommend you remove your preconceived notions and watch the debate again,see who actually "won".Bill had some good arguments,but his 'speech' was ridled with Ad Hominem attacks.

[@Entomology314]

⁠​⁠@@iamazania “Historical science” is just the science of the past. It does not refer to educated guesses. If you can prove something using sound and replicable empirical methods, it is not an educated guess.

[@newcreationinchrist1423]

So in his opening speech Bill Nye tries to say that historical science is just a construct of Dr. ham. Actually for starters that isn't true. There actually is something called historical science and is different from observational science. The only difference between the secular idea and the creationist idea on historical science is, secularists believe that both can be intertwined while creationists do not. Reason being is stated multiple times by creationists and makes perfect sense. #1 You cannot observe the past. Especially in what they like to call deep time. Millions to billions of years ago. #2 you can only assume that conditions during that time were similar to the conditions that we have today and expect that experiments in today's environment would mimic exactly what would have happened millions to billions of years ago. #3 so one thing creationists have done is point out how this is not only not provable but highly unlikely. Bill Nye does a terrible job in his opening statement as he never addresses these points. 🙏🙏🙏

[@--..-...-..-.--....]

Jesus!!! Science: many, MANY scientists present findings with evidence to further understand the past that can help us understand where we are today. Christians: My BoOk ThAt DoEsN't CoNTaIn AnY pRoVaBlE fAcTs SaYs ThE eArTh Is 6,000 YeArS oLd. 🤤... 🧠

[@newcreationinchrist1423]

​@@Moist._Robot look up historical science. That simply is not true 🙂🙏✝️

[@SamoIsKing]

What do you mean you cannot observe the past? Have you never seen a star in the night sky? You know when you see a star you are seeing what that star looked like millions of years ago?

[@just_me2797]

I never realized that Bill "the honorary" science guy suffered from a learning disability. The poor guy isn't capable of thinking and listening at the same time. What sort of closing statement was that? If you like your technology and comforts you must abandon religion and embrace atheistic science. Several studies have been done and worldwide the majority of scientists believe in a creator. Also atheism is declining. Debating him was a waste of time because all he did was skirt around everything, ignore what was said, and make demands.

[@just_me2797]

@@Moist._Robot Clearly you didn't listen to what was said either.

[@just_me2797]

@@Moist._Robot Again, I say that you clearly did not listen, nor were you capable of comprehending my post. Good grief. THE MAJORITY OF SCIENTISTS BELIEVE IN A CREATOR!!! Even with that being a fact science has not nor will be abandoned. One DOES NOT have to be an atheist to be a scientist, inventor, doctor, etc.

[@just_me2797]

@@Moist._Robot You couldn't be more wrong.

[@CelticSpiritsCoven]

@@Moist._Robot The bible is not out of date. The bible speaks extensively about the nature of the human mind, which is true. "Mockers delight in mockery, and fools hate knowledge". This is STILL a true statement about the human mind. You are wrong on the bible being out-dated. You simply emotionally reject it because you don't want to admit the truth. You'd rather deny than to accept reality. Science isn't the sole source of truth, because science cannot even be proven by the scientific method. Science has NOT disproven the bible. Get that Atheist cult dogma out of your head and start critically thinking.

[@bobbyadkins6983]

I praise God for saving my soul! JESUS CHRIST died for the sins of the whole world so that all could be saved and have eternal life!

[@Detroit_Vs._Everybody]

I think it actually takes more faith to believe in the big bang and evolution than it does believing in creationism.

[@avishevin1976]

Your first two words are a lie.

[@MemeRider]

​@avishevin1976 how is he lying if that's his opinion?

[@avishevin1976]

@@MemeRider It's only his opinion that he thinks?

[@luish1498]

@@MemeRider his opinion is base on false asssumptions!!

[@bigshock_]

Dear Daniel, you started with the claim that god is real, and then went to find evidence for that. Scientists found evidence of all planets moving away (looking at the red shift of the doppler effect), and figured that there could have been an event such as the big bang. the difference between science and creation is that science makes sense of evidence, and creation tries to explain a claim that they already believe to be true before proving it.

[@IrishBlueBear]

The difference between a actor and a scientist.. it shows.

[@IrishBlueBear]

@razark9 you're joking right?

[@bigd-ui6zs]

Lol Right! Ken Ham obliterate Bill Nyes lack of intelligence!@@IrishBlueBear

[@bigd-ui6zs]

Right! Bill acting like he knows by lying and Ken Ham shows his intelligent and expert knowledge that based by true facts and evidence. Difference is obvious as night and day!

[@bigd-ui6zs]

Embarrassing yourself just like Bill unless your comedian and like being laughed at, bad joke either way@@razark9

[@IrishBlueBear]

@bigd-ui6zs bill had no chance lol he just looks stupid speaking out of emotion instead of stating facts and giving real evidence like Ken. There's a big IQ gap between them..

[@RawrLys]

I commend Bill for his calm stature, I would laugh at everything that guy said😂

[@samuelswanepoel7926]

Ken Ham stated that the war plane was found in thick layers of ice. A true scientist would have answered Ken...... Bill Nye clearly is unable to defend his own biased assumptions. Boats are built light for transport, but the Ark were built for survival. It is really a strawman argument to say it was not possible.

[@nikkishears6402]

@@ThyBountyHunter ,you presented nothing to show why it would fail. I on the other hand gave physics for why it wouldn't. Multiple layers of overlapping strakes (planks) would give the Ark more durability. The outer layers could wear away without damaging the underlying layers. Pitch-Waterproofing Shipbuilders have always covered a ship with pitch to prevent leakage. But God commanded Noah to coat the inside too, which would have improved waterproofing. Mortise & Tenon-Interlocking Joints Planks can be “snapped” together with interlocking joints (tenons) that slip into matching holes (mortises) cut into each plank. Trunnels-Wooden Pegs Holes can be drilled into planks and wooden pegs pounded into the holes to hold the planks together. These pegs swell in the water and close any gaps. Lovett designed a water tight ark made to biblical specifics, and it floats. Johan Huibers built it.

[@nikkishears6402]

@@ThyBountyHunter , the biblical arc replica exists and it's been carrying Passengers down Holland's Maas River for years.

[@creatagheorghe9905]

"with God everything is possible" what kind of God do we believe in? a weak one or one to whom everything is possible. how did Jesus heal people? how did he perform miracles, what law did he use? how did he rise from the dead? this is God.

[@davidcross4815]

" what would it take to change your mind ? " Hamm : nothing can change my mind. Nye : evidence. Sums it up.😮

[@LumbridgeTeleport]

Talk is cheap . Like a criminal saying I’ll never do it again lol. Nye cries evidence then denies it all

[@LumbridgeTeleport]

Also ham is looking at the evidence so how could anything else Chang his mind . Facts

[@chrislucero4307]

Ken Ham got absolutely dragged 💀

[@jarsa4099]

Now tell me a cowboy joke

[@snake5305]

Bill Nye doesn't understand the creation concept and he demonstrated that. You can't drag someone if you don't know what you're talking about.

[@h00dielogic42]

@@snake5305 Ham hasn’t given any sufficient evidence to prove his claim the creationist origin theory. How could heave proved it? With science and measurement! Do you think it’s weird Ham has to delve into the meaning of words and philosophy instead of showing actual evidence?

[@Kain9407]

​​@@snake5305 If you think Nye doesn't understand creationism, you are out of your league and shouldn't even be posting a response.

[@johnallen8043]

@@h00dielogic42Bill Nye didn’t disprove creationism.

[@chesfern]

Noah was able to build the ship/ark because God was dictating to him how to build it. Without God, Noah would not be able to build such a huge ship.

[@markduell2468]

Noah and the ark is not a real story. It was taken from the Epic of Gilgamesh written 500 years before the Bible.

[@skypatrol250]

It's also not unreasonable that he wasn't the only person working on the ark. Entirely possible that he had hired/employed many other skilled workers that were around at the time. With Noah as the foreman who then 'built' the bost

[@chimmy___]

@@markduell2468 Hundreds of cultures have flood stories. Why? Because it happened. The Bible account is the most accurate.

[@michaelkwadzodelalifenu3002]

​​@@markduell2468the Bible is the accurate and the Bible is a reformation to Satan's way of explaining the universe (creation and others) to civilizations of the earth. Being old does not mean it's original and good.

[@michaelkwadzodelalifenu3002]

​@@LuciferAlmighty It's possible even though aig dismissed Ron Wyatt's discovery about the ark I don't agree to aig on it. Go and watch it on the internet. Lastly to do one thing very important; looking at your name, you are not a believer. Accept Christ and believe in His name to be saved. I want you to turn away from lucifer to a Biblical Christ . John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

[@karlschmied6218]

Once a brain is programmed by religion, one is mostly immune to questioning it. This is not true for science. Science must always be questioned. It thus makes progress, which can be seen in a huge number of applications. The Holy Books, however, are set once and for all, i.e. they cannot be revised and must not be questioned.