Foster Son Salt Poisoned?! The Andrew Burd Story

[@TSShay]

I'm confused about the cops and their obsession with the mom not calling 911? She took him to the hospital. Where I live just driving to the hospital is faster than waiting for an ambulance to come.

[@UrbanDecayLova247]

Yea that was a little strange. They were acting as if she hadn’t done anything. Do they think her calling 911, waiting for them to get there and then taking him to the hospital anyway would’ve saved him? Like in my opinion she took more action than some would’ve by just taking him herself.

[@punkin3073]

Exactly... A trip one way is faster than a trip two ways!

[@Alexa-jv3nz]

I thought she just drove him to a clinic?

[@taniarysz7949]

The Cops just wanted to pin it on her no matter what by the sounds of it..🤦🏼‍♀️..not fair

[@victoriautzler6953]

not to mention they have 6 kids, driving your child is definitely cheaper and usually faster. this seems like a reach to pin a crime on them.

[@emilyriley3389]

I think the seasoning was to make the water taste like the soup without him overeating so he wouldn't get sick.

[@Loclioness]

Emily Riley my reaction is ya profile pic

[@SuperRandH]

that's exactly what I was thinking

[@heatherbolin8862]

Yup. Like mixing a little bit a juice into water to give it the taste.

[@mikhaelburt8332]

Odd but yeah for flavor

[@nicoledelrosario515]

I've done this for myself once.

[@orgamsm6788]

Maybe she gave him the sippie cup with seasoning so it still kinda tasted like the soup without him over eating it?

[@Misscutieful1]

ogramsm G I was thinking the same thing, kind of to curb the craving without letting him know that he wasn’t still eating soup

[@jacquelinebeth1]

ogramsm G I was thinking that!

[@donnap5699]

Same here was thinking that too

[@LaLaLonna]

Yes, that's what she would do. I saw another doc on this. He was always hungry and she knew she had just fed him but still wanted to appease him.

[@malibunights1443]

literally like broth

[@elik8448]

When she was laughing in the interview it honestly looks like a shock response. I don't think it came from a place of joy.

[@drewharris7785]

Yeah that could be shock or anxiety

[@NoLuHe]

That is so true!! But people like to judge without knowing how someone will react to a anxiety attack. When my dad was dying from cancer, I was grabbing his hand and as soon as he passed I burst laughing so hard that some of the family looked at my as if I was crazy AND I do loved my dad so much, we had a very strong and special relationship, weird one, like we will fight all the time but at the same time we could almost knew what the other was thinking, I know he would die for me and I for him anytime. Since I can remember I have had the same reaction to pain or grief.

[@manekineko111]

She was smiling all the time…

[@jess1987]

True... I get uncomfortable in a lot of situations. I either go into shock, or freeze up. I get fidgety, I sometimes laugh when there is clearly nothing to laugh about. I also either don't cry at all, or I cry too much and I hate crying in front of other's. If I was ever interviewed with millions of people watching it; they'd probably think I'm guilty just because I'd be so awkward!

[@melanierix]

I took a first aid course and the instructor was very clear that laughing was a stress response. It's only officially been recognized in the last few years. She was in hospital for a leg fracture and because she was laughing from shock the doctors though she was making light of her injury. Because of that they didn't treat her properly until months later and now she has a limp for life because of the delayed treatment.

[@madisonbrooke2957]

I've been rinsed off with a hose before... I dont understand what's so cruel about that unless its winter I guess.

[@polardirt4835]

true when i get muddy or just on occasions I'm outside and slightly dirty

[@mikhaelburt8332]

If it's too cold...

[@elizabethdulworth5724]

It was in October. But also in Corpus Christi TX so probably not cold out.

[@cttencandy2388]

@@elizabethdulworth5724 yeah Texas is usually hot

[@emanymton713]

Anything. Lucy the setting of the hose?!? It’s a house-side hose it’s either on or off that’s literally the only setting.

[@kaitlynsites2274]

Cop in this case: "you watched him die and did nothing?!" Meanwhile *literally drove him to the clinic which we all know is faster than an ambulance if you've ever needed to take an ambulance* GETS LIFE IN PRISON... CASEY ANTHONY: Doesnt even CALL the cops for 31 days after her TWO year old daughter goes missing Judge: NOT GUILTY

[@CutieRingoJoy]

Exactly my thought, they said the parents watch him die and do nothing , yet their rushing him to the clinic like aren’t that obvious enough they really care about him they rush him to the clinic

[@isabellamanning9189]

Litteraly like wtf

[@christinabuchinski6013]

When he said that i got mad. Like was he not hearing what they said

[@BohemianAnthem]

Yessss

[@isidoracobanovic4397]

I totally agree... What a hell happend here??? 😨

[@christinabuchinski6013]

Dr. Phil acting like he never been hosed down before

[@ontxtteredwxngs]

like that's a texas thing for sure. fake texan, i think XD

[@christinabuchinski6013]

ontxtteredwxngs I’m not even from Texas and that’s happened to me

[@rorig4630]

@@fislinetimea Im from Chile.. is pretty normal.. even in hot days when we wanted to go to the beach and our mom couldnt take us. We would be hise down and sometimes even neighbour's would join and it was way more fun. Nowdays people does not do it not because is cruel or anything.. simply because we are more water conscious

[@aprildannettegosa5381]

He smeared poo all over the place of course they hosed him down outside duh they were not abusing him

[@low-key5512]

@@fislinetimea From Slovakia here. It's pretty normal from the area I'm from. Then again, I grew up in a small village and on a farm so I suppose maybe that's why it doesn't strike me as odd

[@bethanyross3916]

I don’t understand how this woman was given a life sentence, but Casey Anthony gets to walk free… I know our justice system is screwed up, but what the heck…

[@JessiexXxX]

I know it’s so ridiculous, Casey Anthony absolutely murdered that baby. I can’t even watch anything about that case anymore because it makes me so angry and sad. Then this lady gets life in prison, it doesn’t make any sense.

[@imaychat]

Both are guilty. Both are walking free but one has nothing to do with the other.

[@Anthony.and.Bigsis]

For real wtf. And that other girl who buried her baby in her backyard that cheerleader girl! She didnt get in trouble either. Like wtf

[@rachael422]

This is what I came here to say...unbelievable. The whole situation is heartbreaking but I really don't think this situation was intentional. Casey Anthony however murdered her little girl and got away with it.

[@anna-sg4oj]

And also honestly like she didn’t seem really that bad my mother would do the same thing, Also they should have considered he went into the pantry.

[@michaela3826]

If a kid will eat cigarette butts and carpet, he’ll defiantly eat a bunch of salt...

[@mockingjaypin]

I’m Crafting Right Now Have you ever eaten just a tablespoon of salt? Or bitten into a lemon? The human body has mechanisms that reject these extreme tastes and it immediately becomes unappealing to you because too much of it is damaging. There is no way a toddler could just ignore these survival instincts. It must have been forced into him. (like they did with spices as punishment for the other kids)

[@Margatatials]

@@mockingjaypin People with Pika crave things that would normally make other people respond with repulsion,

[@itsjenn.4660]

mockingjaypin Actually had a friend that ate salt by the hand full and would drink lime and lemon juice straight from the little lemon and lime shaped bottles.

[@stripyyjaz9753]

@@mockingjaypin lol i still eat into a lemon as a joke with my mates

[@TheYakisobaNoodle]

@@mockingjaypin have you ever eaten a cigarette butt?

[@alyssapape6463]

Absolutely no part of me believes this woman had any intention of harming her kid. Not even for a second.

[@siennadavid3692]

I believe she is innocent as well

[@GabrielTheMagolorMain]

Alyssa Pape I completely agree with you. This must have been so devastating.

[@GabrielTheMagolorMain]

Caden Gibson Why do you think that?

[@blakkgurrl]

about the smiling/smirking thing, whenever I'm nervous or worried I laugh. it's kind of just a thing my body does to cope w/ the situation, so I don't think her smiling was malicious either.

[@Puddingcup110]

Me too. They just needed a body to charge with the crime.

[@jessicafoster541]

Why would she kill him when they were just doing a 6 month trial, she could have just given him back.

[@in_99]

That's literally what I was thinking. They could have just told the state that they wouldn't be able to care for him with all of his medical problems. There was no reason for them to kill the boy. I think they were innocent.

[@theresajuranek9782]

Came here to say the same thing. They hadn't adopted him yet, so it would have been easy to find another solution for him.

[@emilybragg3986]

there is little to no evidence to say that she actually killed him tho. I think she deserves to be set free.

[@taylermorgan7421]

because she didn’t

[@vanonwheels81]

Ikr I was like why would she go to the length to KILL HIM when she could have just gave him back like??????

[@kaitlynwonders9087]

Sippy cup with seasoning can taste like broth or soup. Driving him to the clinic would probably be faster than an ambulance. Especially since the dispatch asks so many questions first. This was a mother in distress when she saw him not breathing right. She did what she has too while her adrenaline was going and could only think so much.

[@xoxo2026]

I'm Hispanic, when we would get filthy like DIRTY AF a time from playing in mud my mother would hose us down. We were little kids in the privacy of our home (backyard). Soooo I don't see anything wrong with that. But Dr.Phil is just reaching when he was commenting on that. For views lol

[@mycatisjudgingyou]

My mom did too because I liked playing in mud. She would also spray me with the hose as a playtime thing because I just enjoyed it. Definitely not abuse!

[@gahyeonlvr7501]

It literally happens all the time in the south, and is normal.

[@mariababenko]

I'm from Germany and I don't know a single German who would let their kids dirty into their house, especially when they're covered in poop. I was being showered in the garden all the time and my friends as well lol.

[@xosecox12]

Seriously! You wouldn't want poop getting on the furniture and walls. It makes sense to wash it off outside where animals use the bathroom. Kids even find it fun/funny getting hosed down.

[@katiekuchen9694]

Just last week my girls had mixed water into the sandpit and “shampooed” it into their hair. I sprayed them down with a hose before bringing them inside and putting them in the bath. I wouldn’t consider any of that abuse. I’m in the UK and it was a gorgeous sunny day

[@allisonpearce2588]

“This is really weird but he decided to burn the sheets” Me: oh that’s not too weird “On the grill” Me: I’ve spoken too soon

[@josemelendez3598]

Allison Pearce she burned sheets so he wouldnt keep getting from garbage.

[@julesmbc]

Poor little guy :( This is so sad, my husband was starved as a child, before foster care and remembers eating gum off the sidewalk :/ As someone who has also taken in family members children, via the state, and had 2 very challenging Grandchildren with behavioral problems; they really should've put him in a situation where he had more one-on-one care. It is not the child's decision, or fault, that he is damaged! Why abuse him more, after all he has been through? Garden hose bathing, wooden bed sleeping, and feeding him obviously not normal amounts of food, even if he has an obvious eating disorder??? What about counseling? Why not tell the state you're in over your head, and need a specialized home counselor, or need him to go to a more specialized situation?? NO sympathy here - It is up the adults, to know when it has become too much!! We had 5 kids total at one point, with our 3 children, and the 2 Grandkids who's parents lost their rights - and had some tough choices to make at one point. There is an element of shame, in realizing that you're in over your head, and they obviously were. Sorry, not sorry. The foster parents were in the wrong!!! Worried about what their "church family", and friends would think. So so so sad!!! They clearly committed child abuse, in MANY ways. I'm appalled :(

[@amandaakalilac4655]

Jose Melendez could have just taken them to the dump.

[@taylorvarnell4424]

Not defending them but I think he burned them on the grill bc they were probably in a neighborhood and unable to build a fire or burn them on the street/driveway

[@allisonpearce2588]

Amanda Cobb I agree, I understand that I don’t know the whole story and what they were thinking/feeling but in my opinion burning soiled sheets on something that you cook on sounds really gross and like there were many other options that were a little less extreme and disgusting

[@rhinoavocado1569]

Can we end the belief that when someone's smiling it means they're happy. Everytime something bad happens, I literally smile or laugh it's just a nervousness thing. When I'm confronted I automatically smile...

[@tacobell7679]

Me too. It's a nervous thing. I smile when I lie....or when I'm scared....

[@rhinoavocado1569]

@@tacobell7679 like I really got in trouble all the time at school because of that... Like the teacher would yell at me and Id smile and sometimes giggle

[@tacobell7679]

@@rhinoavocado1569 Omg same. One time the teacher started yelling at our class and I started laughing and she almost wrote me up.

[@rhinoavocado1569]

@@tacobell7679 I really don't know how to control it lol

[@tacobell7679]

@@rhinoavocado1569 Me neither. It's just a struggle I've got do to deal with. The only problem is that I have 456 other problems I need to deal with before I get to that one.

[@emmap.7314]

As a foster care social worker, thank you for helping to break down the stigma that children in foster care are “bad kids.” They are children who have gone through trauma and those traumatic experiences often come out as behaviors that can be more challenging compared to behaviors of children who have not gone through trauma. Thank you for acknowledging that challenging behaviors are a result of what these children have been through.

[@anna-sg4oj]

@Jan Lima What the fuck? No, kids in foster care most likely have extreme trauma from past households. If you were a foster parent you’d honestly understand.

[@robmullin1128]

I have worked with kids who had PICA, you literally have to watch them. It would not be unreasonable to believe that he probably did eat a bunch of salt.

[@ryan-fq7ob]

exactly. my dog has pica and as soon as i take my eyes off him, suddenly hes eating a leaf, something random that he found, his fur, etc.. it really wouldnt shock me if he had eaten all that salt himself sadly because ik if i didnt watch my dog as much as i did, bad things would happen.

[@frankieppbutt]

Rob Mullin i know a teen with PICA and he’s been known to eat soap and everything so yeah salt is very reasonable for someone with that disorder

[@onjah5466]

i agree i have pica and when i was younger i would eat a lot of salt not as much as he could have but it very well could have been that

[@rosiexpetunia6138]

I have something called pandas which for me is the opposite of PICA I got it from strep

[@texasburbs4380]

The first foster mom said it was not an issue though. Still weird to put cajun seasoning in water though.

[@baileytara1553]

It is not cruel to wash a child with a hose In my home hosing kids down during the summer would always be turned into a game. Me and my siblings loved it

[@KatKaleen]

I just did that two years ago while babysitting my neighbors' kids. It was a hot day, so I had prepared a water balloon fight and brought out the water pistols. We re-filled them from the garden hose, and in the end we took turns spraying each other with it. It was a lot of fun!

[@lisrod29]

My mom even did it to me as a teenager when I came home with my white soccer uniform and my whole body full of mud😂😂

[@haileemartin8346]

same😂 we still be spraying eachother down after we ride fourwheelers. it honestly just helps not get the house as dirty

[@saramelebari9043]

Mia BSD true

[@JuanLopez-ob8cs]

Yea but she probably did it with soap instead of taking a shower

[@skyekarn7616]

I think the reasoning for the sippy cup with seasoning was supposed to act like broth in a way to maybe try and fill him up

[@aniaszwoch]

Skye Karn I did that when I was younger 👌

[@tanyarodriguez6221]

Yeah I have a friend that buys canned broths and she drinks that casually

[@sylviacrafts6704]

No it wasn't

[@skyekarn7616]

Sylvia Crafts what do you mean?

[@briightSpark]

My husband actually eats tomyum cubes- which are basically cubes of salt and Tom yum flavouring that we would use for a broth

[@mandysolis6454]

I remember hearing this story and being SO angry for her, I'm so relieved that she's free now.

[@cbrook1328]

He ate everything, he was obsessed with eating, she caught him going through the baking ingredients before giving him some soup. It’s possible he consumed salt when she wasn’t looking

[@emilybrandt2644]

Prader willi syndrome probably

[@quintaprissilla9141]

And of course being in a coma and having sodium pumped into your blood while already having a raised sodium level doesn’t help

[@graysonrogers-barnes6302]

@@emilybrandt2644 My thoughts exactly.

[@hrts4pb]

Emily Brandt i watcced another cover of this, just a light one, and (i think) it was like an eterny or social worker, i cant remember, but basically they said that so probably

[@kodak3619]

Exactly my thoughts

[@mariefalzoine4873]

Spraying your kids down in the yard is pretty common in the south. When I would get muddy or really dirty as a kid my parents did it.

[@brendasuhey9672]

Same. It's easier

[@caitlinmcdaries2986]

Marie Falzoine I get that, but I think it’s weird in this situation because he was inside the house, not playing outside. They could have gotten into a tub or shower. Instead, they took him outside to spray him down. Idk, just seems weird.

[@Forever-And.Ever-Amen]

@@caitlinmcdaries2986 who wants poop clogging their shower drains?

[@imjustanasshlesometimes3488]

Same.... we'd go 4 wheeling in the mud 😂😂

[@lizs7251]

Same I didn’t really mind it I honestly found it fun

[@aime9840]

The fact that the husband waited for her, not knowing; if she would ever be a free woman, shows a lot from this family in my opinion.

[@tahliastevens8894]

who said he waited lmfao?

[@kiakaha110]

Ann-Marie Paliukenas Church says absolutely nothing.

[@Mark-sd5jk]

Ann-Marie Paliukenas agreed

[@chloer7587]

there’s articles online, and the moms free now because she was proven not guilty

[@strawberryteapot]

100% for better or worse. Its amazing ❤

[@Coffeemomcafe]

When the previous foster mom had Andrew he was younger and relied on her to eat. Now his new foster mom is dealing with an older toddler that is more mobile and knows what food is. After raising 4 boys they will eat just about anything! No judgement here! Also, having special needs/circumstances to deal with, it is exhausting. Trust me from first hand experience.

[@nathanchung27]

"Innocent until proven guilty." More like guilty until proven innocent, in this case.

[@bookishcearia6317]

That's how it is in all cases.

[@sammysabo]

Nathan Chung,,Most cases in the US are like that

[@edenr8678]

People are never actually proven innocent, just not guilty

[@ashleycollins5189]

True in every case

[@ylabea]

Nathan Chung they are guilty of being responsible for the death of Henry.

[@Jazzyjen1997]

There’s a condition called Prader-Willi Syndrome and unfortunately it does get worse as the child ages so that’s most likely why the first foster mom didn’t report any issues. Symptoms include: speech and physical delays, insatiable hunger where you never feel full, tamper tantrums because you’re always hungry, and more. It’s extremely rare and it’s heartbreaking that this wasn’t able to be looked into.

[@alliebuch3742]

I’ve heard of Prader-Willi and the whole time I was thinking that could be a possibility for the poor child.

[@Jazzyjen1997]

@@alliebuch3742 I know right? 🥺

[@clairepilatin7373]

I wonder how they treat it?

[@erinleue2379]

This was exactly my thought as well! I've worked with people with this condition and their behavior is very difficult to deal with. My heart goes out to all of them, what a sad situation.

[@bigshanemoment1574]

@@clairepilatin7373 sadly there's no none cure, there is support available though

[@ma-nesia6947]

"You didn't do anything." DUDE she drove to the nearest emergency clinic while still in pain from her car accident. -.- Like her husband said, it would be quicker to drive to the emergency clinic than to call 911 and wait for a response. This case is so f'ed up because the police already decided she did it intentionally and just stuck to that belief.

[@Lilia4102]

They killed him already at home he died they didn't want him to go to the hospital they wanted to make sure he would die so he died on the way to the hospital

[@HLJRMAI1]

@@Lilia4102 he didn't die at home he died at the hospital

[@Jenny-sb2nz]

@@Lilia4102 they probably didn’t think it was so extreme like maybe he just threw up from what he ate and had trouble breathing from his tantrum and when he threw up and urgent care was really close it’s not like they didn’t do anything

[@jessicaground6309]

Its quicker and nuch more safe for an ambulance to reach you and stabilize a person than you risking your life the childs life as well as other people on the road

[@zoinksrodan7644]

@@jessicaground6309 "it's quicker" yea that's not always the case

[@cathywaters7509]

I can't believe she was blamed for poisoning Andrew when it was well known he had a possible medical condition for trying to eat everything?

[@alem883]

This story made me think twice about adopting or being a foster parent 🥺😟😏

[@jedimindtrick-pi8xe]

His diagnoses was based on his abusice foster parent's word

[@MarceySa]

​@@jedimindtrick-pi8xeand everyone else who lived in the house. Not just her.

[@anna-sg4oj]

@@jedimindtrick-pi8xehe was being seen by doctors, social workers for this diagnosis it’s not just their word.

[@ErikaMoore-b8y]

statements from her other children. They said she often gave him water with spicy seasonings, they also said she would lock him in his room & watch him on camera, and other strange things.

[@LittleMsShine]

I think this kid was going to the pantry and eating salt without permission often. This could be a thing that gradually built up over time

[@herefortheride6293]

Yup too much salt builds up in the system overtime , RIP little angel so sad

[@boltzmannbrain8698]

Agree. I think she is completely innocent

[@amandae384]

CheerupButtercup I agree!

[@B.entries]

I agree. He probably did this all the time and it built up in his system. RIP poor child. I used to lick layers of dust off window screens/vents etc even when I was 6/7 yrs old. It was a conscious decision, I remember loving the taste. I sometimes wonder how I'm still alive :P

[@jeanetteriffle1397]

Plus ....kids get bruised from throwing a tantrum and a fit.

[@madisonsara6012]

And if you're freaking out thinking your kid needs emergency medical attention, you're probably not placing him delicately in his carseat. I would snatch him up and run to the car as fast as I could...

[@breannedixon9712]

I was bruised up a ton as a kid. Truly the Most clumsiest kid ever and I wasn’t even spanked as a kid. A ton of my friends were, too. That 100% doesn’t mean child abuse

[@why7240]

Breanne Dixon y r

[@KCM1]

Breanne Dixon same, I played super rough outside and hurt myself on my own

[@subekennedy9554]

My siblings had huge knots on their heads when we fell down the stairs. All the time! Bruises are much easier to get

[@elliecourtney777]

Too much “reasonable doubt” to convict this lady for life.

[@msgirly6827]

Exactly

[@CiarraMMichelle]

Exactly. Those poor kids can't have a mom. The older girl has to teach the younger how to do her hair because that's something dad doesn't typically know how to do. It's sad.

[@Hearth123]

I don't think the seasoning in the sippy cup is weird. Sometimes kids won't drink water, they want something with flavor. It actually seems like a reasonable solution to the Pica issue

[@chelsiadiehl5878]

I was honestly imagining it being like a broth if she heated it up so I don't think it's that weird either.

[@WouldntULikeToKnow.]

Salt water is not what you want to give a kid after 2 bowls of canned soup. Mix pedialyte or a little juice in the water. How did she get a nursing degree?

[@harley4886]

@@WouldntULikeToKnow. thank you!!! Omg the amount of people excusing her behaviour in the comments, how does a nurse not know about salt poisoning?

[@shelbymarie1281]

It's just odd because she worked in the medical field. She should've known juice or something is safer. But I definitely don't think she wanted to murder him. Especially since he wasn't even officially adopted yet. If he was too much for them they could've gave him back.

[@shelbymarie1281]

Possibly she just wanted to recreate the taste of the soup to satisfy him without giving him too much soup. It's a bit odd, but she's an overwhelmed mother

[@kevinklose]

Water with seasoning is basically just a type of broth soup

[@robbiehartstein7059]

cerys.emb i agree, the mom was super tired and in pain and she didnt want to go through the trouble of making a third bowl of "real soup". she knew the kid would eat anything and water and seasoning isnt bad for you so i rlly don't see anything wrong with her giving him that to drink

[@madisonjohnston8830]

I definitely think that rinsing off a child with a hose is very very common. It’s to keep the yuck from further spreading everywhere. Also, I think that her driving to the hospital was a lot better than calling an ambulance. They take absolutely forever to get to someone’s home. I think she was genuinely innocent.

[@Im-miles]

I honestly don't think the cup with seasoning is that odd, We used to have hot water with beef bullion as kids. almost like a soup broth.

[@coleeverhart8359]

I agree. This is very common. More than you think.and the cuts and scratches he's a kid and a rambunctious kid at that. And all the medical stuff. How sad. Poor family.

[@8lavenderrose8]

Same but with vegetable bouillon and a grilled cheese

[@basicallystevenuniverse511]

I’ve never heard of it but it doesn’t seen that weird

[@HangTheDj3000]

Me too, my mom would put the chicken bouillon cubes in hot water for me when I was little because I was the pickiest eater and apparently I liked that a lot.

[@bronzewolf3]

Yes bovril etc very normal

[@ChaosRecession]

In case anyone was wondering, the verdict was overturned after 7 years and Hannah received 600k in compensation for wrongful imprisonment back in 2018. She now does work for the Innocence Project.

[@saltcitysunshine]

I never stopped thinking about Hannah. I am so so glad she’s been exonerated.

[@shohannie]

I'm so happy to read this. She regularly crossed my mind.

[@jedimindtrick-pi8xe]

IMO both of those foster parents were abusing Andrew and got away with murder.

[@NeapolitanApe]

600k for 7 whole years of your life

[@emi2885]

She didn't intent to hurt him. She just didn't want him to over eat, water with seasoning would just keep him entertained for a while. She has 5 other children to take care of. Hosing a child down is common when they're very dirty. As for the bed sheets, they must have just been very frustrated.

[@Savannajames4]

I could see burning the sheets, just not on the grill, that’s weird and gross. Everything else I was like “ehh okay” but tbh I can see how the cops walking into a house after a kid died and seeing them just sleeping on a wooden frame and burned sheets on the grill would probably not look good

[@winddragonlundholm1792]

I actually agree with you and I defenetly don't think they are bad parents because they do really seem to care about their children it's just really sad what happend:(

[@PR-xm5zc]

Didn't want him to over eat so give him water with seasoning?? How is that a logical explanation?🤦‍♂️ be a lot easier to just not give him more...he was a child and she gave into his "tantrum/demand" do you know how many times my niece wanted chocolate pudding and icecream for breakfast doesn't mean that's what I have to give her..

[@kirstenornelas881]

@@SaudiLiving1 this is an EXTREMELY GOOD point! I can deff see usingthe grill after thinking about it. 6 children around and replacing the grill is something you can do but you cannot take back a child getting into an open fire. The dad was frustrated and trying to get rid of the sheets permanently so the kid would stop trying to get them again and again. He threw them in the grill, easy to contain the fire cuz you can close the lid and walk away which makes since as to why they weren't completely burned up too. He prob threw it in there and got back to cleaning everything up and was not about to go back to that until he could just take it to the dump and get a knew one. It does make since in that light.

[@cyrene7784]

@@PR-xm5zc You need to read up on pica.

[@ilovecows1991]

I once rinsed my drunk af boyfriend in the back yard cos he had vomit all over him and there ain't no way I'm cleaning him up in the shower

[@marilynray2611]

Emma Ramsay exactly, imagine shit instead of vomit 🤢

[@meaghan3911]

Girl,.. it kinda sounds like you need a new boyfriend. I bet you can do a lot better.

[@ilovecows1991]

I upgraded ;)

[@amandarios448]

If your motive, isn't to make the person die of cold, freeze, not breathe, expose, humiliate, damage or cause them pain & just clean them. It's just an outside shower. What if it's a bucket? Then it's not bad, it can be if you are trying to harm the person. Why does it being hose matter more than how or why is this done?

[@rebeccarose8745]

Yeah because that's the same as a 4 year old past abused child. Seriously.

[@Gam3r5t93]

I truly believe that the mother was concerned with the amount of soup the boy was eating so she innocently believed that adding some flavoring to water would do less harm than another bowl of soup.

[@Menagerie_K]

If that were the case, a boulion cube would suffice. I wonder how much seasoning was in that cup.

[@Gam3r5t93]

The Menagerie K do you know how much sodium is in each can of soup?? american soup has more sodium than anything else. 2 cans of soup FILLED with sodium + bouillon which is also almost exclusively made of salt is BOUND to have negative effects.

[@brebre2480]

Daniel Feds yeah like if he has it in a cup he can just have a little flavor with water

[@mexikunt]

@@Menagerie_K No, a bouillon cube has a TON more seasoning than a sprinkle of creole seasoning.

[@iambaked1537]

Daniel Feds weird but I agree

[@jgeorge4919]

My parents were great parents, but for some reason my kid brain decided to wake up every night and go and sneak sips of their leftover Dr Pepper from the trash can…which led to minor health issues, confusion on my diagnosis and finally my confession which is how we found out I’m allergic to caramel food coloring. 🤷🏻‍♀️ kids are weird. My parents probably looked like liars to the doctors though, “she *never* drinks soda”. Me riffling through the trash like a raccoon in the night to steal sips of flat soda: 👀 Point is, sometimes parents look guilty but it’s just an accident or the kid. I think that’s this case. An accident.

[@eagleeye2300]

Great info and thanks for sharing your story.

[@goin_back2_kali]

Can i ask what health issues please? I get a random rash almost daily & swollen face lips feet etc... I'm wondering now 🤔

[@jgeorge4919]

@@goin_back2_kali my symptoms are mostly “belly” related but I also get breakouts and headaches. But that’s just my experience it can have all kinds of allergy symptoms

[@sjm5750]

You're a good writer. Your story was fun to read.

[@amandacampione3089]

Mg reading this gave me goosebumps cause I have a similar “my dumb kid brain” lol story Uhgggg crazy .

[@applecat1231]

That kid guzzled salt while in the cabinet... I bet if she called 911 and watched him die at home they would say " you lived near an urgent care why didn't you just drive him there". ...

[@samanthahenry7607]

Facts

[@chandlermayo2563]

exactly that’s why I don’t really think callin 911 would have changed much

[@sarahcatherinerowell]

I hate the “ why did you start driving instead of calling 911” excuse again and again. Sometimes driving might be quicker? Especially for more rural parts, I’ve seen this a lot in cases.

[@buslady3705]

I've heard of parents having to put locks on the fridge and pantry.

[@ellacielo8518]

Exactly. My dad suffers gout in his knee and the first time it happened, we rang the hospital and they sent an ambulance out. My grandparents went to meet him at the hospital and they were waiting nearly 2 hours before my dad arrived in the ambulance. I get it's not life-threatening, but the traffic is so bad in our town it's quicker to go down country roads that ambulances often can't fit and in a case like Andrew's, it might've been quicker for his mum to take him to the clinic than wait for the ambulance, but what is done is done and it unfortunately ended the way it did. May he finally rest in peace ❤

[@martha_makes_art]

I agree, she made some questionable parenting decisions but she’s no murderer. She’s recovering from an accident, her husband working extra time, she has several children, one with severe issues. A lot of people would make some bad decisions, be stressed and exhausted but no one questions it because it doesn’t end in a death.

[@lornagodbylg]

No parent is given 'the Perfect Parent' handbook

[@wendyokoopa7048]

Sometimes the most difficult thing to do is to say can you help me. We want to think we can do it on our own but we get overwhelmed and yes she had that car accident she had bruising and whiplash she may have even had a concussion

[@danettacoleman6946]

Well she had no business adopting a disabled child

[@stitches318]

@@danettacoleman6946 AGREED! She simply wanted the status of doing a good deed, not another child. There is no doubt in my mind this woman didn't love Andrew the same way she loved her real kids. She may not have murdered him but had no business having him

[@tatyanawhite7106]

But he's dead... There was a death

[@honeydew_94]

Why would you wash a kid in the shower when he’s covered in crap? To create more mess? It’s quicker and easier to hose them down. Chilli flakes, soap.. it’s all heard of them.

[@alaynaolive248]

exactly!!! when i was a little kid i would love to be sprayed by the hose, even if it was cold, little kids literally dont care its fun for them

[@youtubegimme8646]

@@alaynaolive248 even now it's fun to be sprayed by a hose , whenever my brother and i play outdoors we would get muddy and when we come home we would hose ourselves down , last year one my friends fell into a puddle , it was slightly brownish so we made our way over to my house to hose him down , we ended up playing tag with it. nothing wrong with using a hose to shower why "dr" phil says it is idk , he is a pos rip andrew, i cannot begin to comprehend the pain the family went through , if i lost my brother (he a stupid head but i love him) i would be devastated , he is my bestfriend and this video has made be cherish him even more

[@brendajuan8463]

Exactly! the only thing i agree is weird is burning the blankets, but honestly we all do things when we're stressed, I flushed an apple core down the toilet at 5am once so who am I to judge lol

[@racheld8920]

@@alaynaolive248 I would always ask my grandmother to spray me down with the hose when she was gardening as I loved it.

[@Lord3nder]

"Chilli flakes, soap.. it’s all heard of them." Cool. I've heard of forms of child abuse as well...

[@KamisKisses]

she really should have checked what he was eating But, a tired stressed person cannot make sound decisions under pressure. it's a sad story, I don't think she deliberately harmed Andrew. My questions are, why didn't they put child locks on the food pantry and on every cupboard so he couldn't access it?

[@brianagarcia8546]

It’s a hard situation because restricting food actually makes it worse. The best thing for them to do is always allow him to eat when he wanted (healthy options) and always allowed him to hold food until he realizes he will never be restricted

[@Britt1Marie]

I get what you're saying, but if we were hearing this story and were told they locked up all of the food, people would say that is abuse. There are people who have caught CPS cases for doing just that

[@BeyondTheJordan]

CPS would have taken him back had they seen locks on the food. I've seen this happen.

[@BeyondTheJordan]

@@Britt1Marie I was saying the exact same. CPS has some weird rules and restrictions.

[@rivershaley]

maybe she shouldn’t have gone out of her way to hoard child and adopt a disabled child if she was so tired and stressed. the parents were selfish. when you have that many kids and one of them is disabled or has behavior problems then someone is going without, multiple someone’s most likely

[@crazypyrokitty]

I smile when I'm upset but it's a different smile than my "happy smile" I also laugh when something is difficult to handle emotionally.

[@HeartHandsHooks]

my daughter will laugh and smile in pressuring situation whichs shes says helps her cope with the situation that brings her anxiety up its not intentional just a reaction that she does so i dont think it too uncommon for that to happen

[@Feezee223]

Same. Like one time me and my friend allmost got hit by cars crossing the street (we didn’t) and we laughed about it because we were shocked and didn’t know what else to do. People who saw looked at us like we were insane.

[@ShanaLawson]

My daughter will either laugh/giggle when nervous/upset/scared or she’ll burst into tears. She takes after her momma 🙋‍♀️lol

[@emilym190]

This exactly. I laugh when I’m nervous in serious situations. People who don’t do this/understand this. Just don’t get it.

[@jjkelly5219]

I've literally gotten in hot water because of my giggle- I laugh when I'm stressed, when I'm nervous, when I'm scared, when I'm sad. It's really frustrating sometimes because people think you think things are funny when really I just can't stop it from happening.

[@hanabartosikova6406]

I can’t even begin to count all those times I got hosed down as a toddler. Especially in the hot summer after rolling in a mud and other similar activities lol

[@mariadeborah4447]

As a person who cleans up the Poo of a person with challenges daily, on sheets and walls and hidden under objects, in the bath, bathroom walls etc etc etc, I sympathise with what they went through. Eventually the poo residue clogging up your washing machine gets out of control. Although I haven't done it, hosing down is not a surprise to me. The mental stress is also immense.

[@belmum1689]

@@mariadeborah4447 Right u never done it before b/c that is cruel, I have never taken a baby or toddler outside and hosed them down b/c they got poo on their bottom. That's abuse

[@rissie3315]

@@belmum1689 hosing down is just spraying someone with water? What’s wrong with that- I was sprayed down as a child all the time, and it’s not abuse. I found it fun, actually.

[@belmum1689]

@@rissie3315 But it wasn't for a fun time with Andrew, it was actually punishment, like burning his sheets on the BBQ, and really Andrew was in foster care he had moved from house to house, he was a very vulnerable child like most children who are in foster care who have been takin away from their parents, their family.

[@rissie3315]

@@belmum1689 I see what you’re saying, and I agree burning it on the BBQ is strange, but there are reasons someone might’ve burned it on a BBQ. And I don’t think they were being mean to him; there’s not enough context for me to know though.

[@carosacha]

He had bruises and scratches...wow, so if they saw my daughter’s legs and arms, they would probably think we have been abusing her as well...like wtf? Kids run like drunk old men, they climb stuff, they do stupid things and fall all the time. I feel like she has been charged based on her nervous behavior, like smiling at the wrong moment.

[@EvaFantastic]

My sister had a lot of bruises too,because she began to walk pretty soon. She got an ear infection so we visited the doctor and he actually called CPS on us because of her bruises, even after we explained why she had them. i was like seven years old at the time and was really taken aback by all this stuff

[@nnabrenda12]

Right! My kids have bruises and sometime scratches from when they fall.

[@kibaliziosa483]

When I was small, like 2 years old, I started manifesting a lot of allergies. One of these wasn't an allergy per se but my skin would get super irritated and itching when I was sweating. This resulted in me scratching my back really badly multiple times a year trying to get rid of the feeling. My mom was always panicked that someone would see my back and think that I was actually beaten with a belt because she'd heard the horror stories... we aren't even in the USA, we're in Italy, but it's as bad

[@BlackLotus30]

ah the school called CPS on my Parents because I had soccer ball sized bruises on the front of my legs and made the mistake of wanting to wear a dress. The reasons I had those bruises was because me and other class mate would play soccer at -15 Celsius with a semi inflated ball and I was the goalie and that ball hurt like heel when hit with it. XD

[@jaynenorth3757]

@@nnabrenda12 I remember my new aunt by marriage asking me how I got a bruise & didn't believe I couldn't remember (actually said I was lying) until she spent an afternoon at our house with my siblings and cousins. Then she couldn't believe any of us lived to grow up. She had all sisters and two female cousins. We had plenty of bumps and bruises. We grew all up healthy, not wimpy and knew how to behave differently when the situation called for it.

[@jamiebabie]

When my brother died I became absolutely hysterical and I was kind of crying and laughing at the same time… it is so weird but sometimes trauma is just too much for the mind to handle.

[@katem4994]

If I was playing in the mud when I was little, my mom would have hosed me off before I went into the house

[@mommyfindingfit]

Kate M, same here. I see nothing wrong with rinsing them off outside before putting them in the tub. My mom did the same thing. It keeps the bulk of the mess outside. You already had to clean the sheets, mattress, walls, floor etc, the last thing you're going to feel like doing is washing down and sanitizing the shower, too.

[@madisonsara6012]

Even just with sand, my parents would hose me down outside. It's a garden hose, not a fire hose. We had a sand box as kids and heck, we would hose ourselves down before going inside. Anyone who thinks that's extreme has been coddled.

[@nathanm2514]

Yeah i didn’t see anything wrong with that. Seems easy to rinse outside and then bring the kid in for a shower/bath. That way they don’t get shit everywhere especially

[@misseses9091]

Kate M In the summer we hosed off in the yard when we were muddy before going to shower .

[@daisygonzalez7861]

we always hosed off i feel like that’s really normal especially since he was covered in shit like you don’t want that all over the bathroom too

[@paigelarson9279]

The only thing I find really weird/neglectful about their behaviour is making him sleep on a wooden bed frame. The hosing him off outside is not abuse, calm down Dr Phil.

[@brendajuan8463]

I mean, I think that's a reasonable punishment, when I was younger and I destroyed something my mom would take it away to show me how it feels to be without it, ya know? plus sleeping on a frame isn't that bad, maybe some back pain but thats abt it. Burning trash on a barbecue stove is strange tho.

[@cathyxoxo]

Shit as a child I could sleep on hard wood floors perfectly fine 😂😂😂 now as an adult if i sleep without a pillow or in the wrong position then I feel broken 😂🤷🏻‍♀️ to each their own.

[@Lord3nder]

The hosing depends. What was the temp outside? HOW did they hose him off? As they were into unorthodox punishment for their special needs child, It's hard to believe this wasn't done in an abusive manor. Remember he was forced to go sleep on a box with no bed clothes after he was hosed down. Then was not given NEW bedclothes..... They were abusing this child and he died. His death at a minimum was abusive negligence.

[@introusas]

my thought was if he couldnt sleep on the couch for whatever reason they could have put a bunch of thick blankets on the floor or something. i used to do that sometimes as a kid just for fun

[@marymary7269]

Damn, I can’t believe anyone thinks this normal or appropriate.

[@ellenkarlsson9490]

She had no reason for killing Andrew. The adoption wasn't finalized, they could've just pulled out if they felt like he was too much to handle.

[@Arthur-ul2dh]

@bruh People definitely have reasons to murder, you may not agree with their reasons, that does not mean they don't exist and understanding these motives can be very helpful to understand a case.

[@celinamoyo5460]

She is a guilty witch and is gonna burn!

[@zo8449]

She didn’t murder him. Point blank period.

[@ChrisC.Astrology]

@@Arthur-ul2dh they were talking about that they don't deserve it

[@TheBookBaddie]

@bruh she didn’t have a reason to kill him either y’all just want someone to be guilty when the sad truth is that he poisoned himself. Like OP said if he was that much of an issue they could have pulled out of the adoption. He possible had an eating disorder that made him salt poison himself and that’s that. She’s innocent and that’s why she’s free now.

[@Ania-cd2sh]

The whole supply cup thing is not weird at all. It’s like drinking broth to fill you up. It’s pretty common. I definitely don’t think she did anything intentionally

[@Harris33-f5j]

I live in Louisiana and that’s where that seasoning comes from. That seasoning is full of nothing but salt. I would never put that on my sons food and I live here where it’s very common to use that seasoning.

[@AmarieWright]

This is the strangest case ever. You were right I have mixed feelings about this case.

[@bbygxr33]

The Lovely Mel Chan there has been people who have killed and cried real tears and did something with bad intentions. not everyone who cries with real tears are actually being honest, some cry cause they got caught.

[@ontxtteredwxngs]

@@bbygxr33 yep and they're usually crocodile tears like that lady who put a hit on her husband and she actually was using an undercover cop so when police said "your husband's been murdered" she started bawling but wanted to see his body as if to make sure the murder was done. He wasn't even dead.

[@carleeeyy634]

If my child smeared poop all over himself and the walls i would hose him down in the yard too

[@kenetrice]

Yea, that is actually pretty common. One time my older brother tickled my little brother and my little brother pooped all over himself. I remember my mom took my little brother out back and hosed him and his underwear and pants out. I mean it's not like you are using a fire-hose that has really high pressure and hurts. It is a basic, average water hose. It is easier to spray the poop off outside than to get a bunch of shit in your shower and/or washer. She wasn't hosing him off out there as punishment but more so to make the least mess as possible. He didn't care at all. lol

[@naomii494]

🤣yea my mom hosed me down cus I shitted on myself when I was younger ( I was outside and didn’t make it to the bathroom )

[@hannah-rk8bv]

Yeah Dr. Phil is a pretty questionable dude. Just trying to get a rise out of them.

[@waleskazambrano2536]

See my mom didn’t hose me down at least I do think she did but she did make me take a cold shower and she did hose down my brother when he threw a tantrum cuz he didn’t get the last cookie and smeared shit all over the bathroom walls idk if that is just a Latina thing ( I’m Latina ) or if it’s just a general way to clean ur child that just smeared shit all over the walls making as less mess as possible

[@michaela3826]

My parents would hose me down in the yard when I would play in mud or whatever. I don’t thinks it’s weird at all.

[@wowwut7538]

So Casey Anthony gets to go free when there was a literal decaying smell in the trunk of her car and lied about her daughter being kidnapped by a nanny that didn’t exist while this woman in this video gets convicted of murder and purposely poisoning her son with salt and was given life in prison (even though she was let out) even though you couldn’t prove that she purposely fed him all this salt or not. While she was negligent of the situation I don’t think she did this on purpose

[@teaisthere]

Wow Wut thank you! It’s so ridiculous.

[@brooklynpando8960]

Wow Wut THIS

[@madisonsara6012]

Totally agree. Not to mention, those kids lost 7 YEARS with their mom that they can never get back. At least this woman drove straight to help, rather than leaving a dead body in her freaking car.

[@nathanm2514]

yup! the system is fucked!

[@keijiakaashi2152]

Here's my genuine opinion. I had pica when I was younger. I was constantly hungry and I LOVED salt. I also had ADHD so my parents struggled to keep my calm with my food addiction. My mom would legit give me hot water with bulletin cubes mixed with it just to keep my under control. My dad would give me yogurts. Why? Because thats all they could think of because doctors don't know everything. That's exactly what this mother did. The fact that people are making it seem strange that she showered him down with a hose and burned the bed sheets is kinda crazy to me. Did you expect her to wash his shit filled ass in the bathroom where the other kids bathe in? Did you expect her to keep the shit stained sheets? That's the fastest way to get e-coli. She did what she thought was necessary and she at least tried unlike most people in her situation. Edit: OK so a lot of you have been giving me criticism about the bedsheets. I just want to make something clear. I don't think burning the sheets was the most logical solution. If my child shat all over my bed, burning the sheets won't be my first solution. But that's just me. Y'all gotta remember that people don't think the same way as you. People make irrational decisions.

[@arctic_desert]

Because I wasn't familiar with this case, when I heard that she gave him seasoned water I thought it was a great solution tbh. I've accidentally overcompensated for my chronic low blood pressure with huge amounts of sodium and it's excruciating but entirely accidental

[@cathysmiley1938]

I’m sorry for your suffering. It’s easy to backseat quarterback. Much harder in the heat of the moment.

[@yeahB]

you're not saying that burning these sheets on the grill would be healthier because the heat kills the ecoli? Just throw them out in the big bin

[@krisdiane]

Spraying him outside with the hose is not right. He should have been sprayed in the shower (and the shower disinfected after) with LOTS of reassurance and compassion. Taking his mattress was inhumane. And burning shitty sheets on their grill shows that they had no concern about germs. 😔

[@cathysmiley1938]

Bless you. That had to be so hard.

[@agroteraaaa]

i think hannah's laughing/smiling is consistent enough across interviews to be a nervous thing, y'know?

[@robmullin1128]

ellie ・_・ Yes, I was thinking the same thing.

[@projectlifevlogs3968]

I have that too. Whenever I’m so nervous, I laugh and smile just to conceal the train wreck in my head.

[@cooking.withkatt]

I laugh and smile whenever I’m under pressure or nervous! Everyone thinks I’m lying 😅

[@CharlestonAmy]

...Or a diabolical thing

[@carissasterling2411]

Honestly, my actual coping mechanism is laughing and joking. My step dad unfortunately passed on 4/17/20 from an enlarged heart and I was making jokes and laughing with my mom and my brother in law the night of and the days following. Any major situation in my life is handled with humor. I don’t cry and get emotional in front of people but I will make a joke when it gets too heavy for me.

[@tiniieamie]

"Why didn't you call 911" cuz an ambulance is a damn lot of money for what she thought was a stomach virus.

[@jaceymonroe8561]

Right?! Who calls the ambulance because a kid puked and felt cold?!

[@gab1888]

I live in Poland where calling ambulanse is free but paramedics would always scream at me that I was wasting their time and were soo pissed of because I called them due to my father epilepsy.

[@MzYoShow]

I don't care how much an ambulance ride cost. Her child was in distress. She was supposedly still recovering from the accident and being pregnant, but thought it was a good idea to handle this emergency situation herself. She's a trained EMT with 5 other kids, but couldn't decipher he needed immediate care.

[@miharus.9055]

@@MzYoShow TEA!

[@anastasiakelaidis5079]

It’s insane to me that they were arrested. He literally had been diagnosed for eating crazy things.

[@cariendaniels7461]

Prader-willi syndrome

[@alina5468]

True they ruined the other kids life. The justice system is fucked up.

[@katiehensley290]

Why did they not have dangerous things locked up since they knew he had that disorder?

[@anne3067]

@@katiehensley290 who would consider salt and seasonings dangerous though? I wouldn’t. I’d lock up the cleaning supplies.

[@katiehensley290]

@@anne3067 anything can be dangerous if consumed in high enough amounts. He's at high risk for that since he has pica. They also said he behaved like a toddler, and they had a baby in the home. Don't people typically child proof their kitchen cabinets to protect their kids?

[@Storbjørn1419]

How did non of the health professionals investigate if Andrew had Prader Willi syndrome? Symptoms include developmental delay, speech delay, excessive appetite (especially not knowing when you’re full) and behavioural issues. He seemed to fit the profile

[@jmvonheim]

i just googled it and, yeah... seems like something it could be, although i do think maybe it was combined with pica? i dont know though i'm just a nurse

[@1997thatperson]

Yeah I just commented that too, PWS is way worse than pica, patients end up dying because of it.

[@mikesanders8621]

You're not "just" a nurse. You're a nurse, and your work is incredibly valuable.

[@coochiedominator4553]

she got exonerated and was awarded $600K for her wrongful conviction.

[@krowmother6970]

Thank you so much for the update. I hope you have a nice day.

[@adelaiideAngel]

they literally say this in the video ??

[@xoxosam7418]

as she should

[@AnneQuiet]

She did?? Thank God!

[@justbecause3754]

Plus monthly allowance throughout her life...

[@Cheeseman1717]

I can’t believe they convicted this lady but couldn’t convict Casey Anthony ... WTF

[@Jewels3398]

RIGHTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

[@kristenvollmerhausen4212]

Seriously!!!

[@hayleycollyer3071]

Exactly!!! Really blows my mind!!

[@rebeccasmith3837]

because Casey was a compulsive liar & it worked in her favor. She had the defense tell many stories to the court, that it confused people and they couldnt give a guilty verdict. There was too much doubt.

[@shannenmorgan5807]

LITERALLY

[@Kro368]

Regarding the sippy cup with seasoning, I feel like since he kept asking for food she figured giving him water with some flavor will make him think he is getting more food when he is not. She was essentially trying to not feed into his obsession by making him think she was. That’s how I wrap my head around it, but not exactly sure.

[@jessicalenea3573]

About the smiling, I smile during awkward confrontation and get accused of smirking. Honestly though Hannah may have been so stressed that she reached the breaking point and acted strange

[@parkerj6311]

Samee anytime I’m get accused of something I didn’t do I just smirk for some reason. Like I know that I shouldn’t be smiling in that moment but I just can’t help it

[@rosecastle2718]

same!

[@centrifugalmuse]

Jessica Lenea My daughter does this too. She’s 15 now and tried hard not to but I’ve learned it’s just something that’s a quirk for her and I usually let it go but when she was little and she would do that during a lecture or talk or something it would really upset me sometimes before I finally realized it’s just how she handles uncomfortable confrontation. Poor thing. I’m sorry you have that issue too bc I know it gets y’all in trouble sometimes :(

[@Andi-of2hn]

Jessica Lenea SAME!

[@probably_beth]

@@Ursella999 my thought is that she can manage to cry when her life gets taken from her, but the death of her child causes an uncomfortable smile?

[@Bbybunn]

I thought it was pretty common to rinse a kid with the hose outside... 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

[@Gelime_]

Especially when covered in poop..

[@SallyThatGirl]

I agree! I bet the kid had pieces of stuff in his poop because he ate everything in site. I wouldn’t put my kid in the shower and wouldn’t want all that going down the drain. But we will never know the real truth of what went on behind closed doors. It’s a sad story.

[@kaylee1769]

Agree! No parent would want the carpet and house to get dirty from a dirty child running around the house.

[@juliabonardi4791]

Same the thing I don’t understand is the shit covered sheets in the grill

[@toryakarolyn6575]

My sister also smiles and laughs during crisis it’s a way of to cope with hard situations

[@purechaos454]

Me too

[@laurasuseteviegas]

I do that aswell, it’s horrible..

[@_Https.maddie]

My best friend laughs and smiles too and that’s why I feel bad for the mom what if was just a nervous habit

[@brunapantaleaob]

Same

[@amapeli]

I do this. It's gotten me into trouble a few times.

[@caitlinkornilov3278]

Watching the interrogation video, her laughing responses looked like genuine responses to shock and trauma.

[@leahbess4]

Yes! How can people tell you how you're supposed to act and grieve?

[@emilyclaire7695]

As a person with trauma, I have laughed in dark situations or being questioned about my experiences, in exasperation and disbelief

[@kaylawarren4752]

I feel like this woman was convicted pretty much because she handles high stress situations by smiling...

[@notyourconcern3827]

Facts! This poor woman, I feel for her entire family as well, our justice system is such a crock of shit!

[@ashlee.m]

when i was younger i used to "nervous smile" when id get in trouble. not bc what i thought i did was funny but bc i was nervous and scared for some reason id just feel the need to smile i guess to hide the fact that i was nervous and scared. idk its a really weird thing but it really does happen.

[@Galbanolli]

Yes! I do the same but I laugh instead! I hate it 😖

[@friedbeans65]

I'm freaking out because I'm convinced he had prader willi syndrome. I know she's acting weird but I'm sure she's got a lot going on mentally

[@lil_one146]

I do the same... I was always told that I had to smile as a kid, that I had to be "perfect". So now when I get in trouble I smile and smirk as if I have everything in the bag.

[@NotAPanda19]

The fact that she was almost stuck there for life while Casey Anthony is walking free.

[@marquitashiver6141]

Right! I hate that that heffa is still walking free. Just crazy!

[@B6east]

Agreed !

[@CJ--kx1dg]

That is exactly what I was thinking

[@rebeccafoltz6390]

Agree

[@shadeofjade2040]

Ugh effing Casey Anthony 😑

[@SaraBethCox]

22:16 and you don't do anything. Dude! She threw him in the car and rushed to the hospital. She did something.

[@SaraBethCox]

@Madison Wadsworth But the guy saying it was from an interview I believe and he said that but I believe the mother said it as well what she did.

[@znyznyzny]

@Madison Wadsworth she makes these videos all about white people too like lmao

[@blackblackheartsss]

Madison Wadsworth the guy in the interview said it lmao watch the video before getting passive aggressive

[@christiepipkins8038]

Sara Beth Cox exactly! This is WAY quicker than waiting on 911....there is legit nothing wrong with this.

[@lindenhausmann6199]

I’m a nurse in the ICU and CONSTANTLY getting patients from the ER where the doctors ordered something and find out they shouldn’t have after running tests, etc. Happens all the time.

[@maybelikealittlebit]

My mom used to love using Tabasco on our tongues if we swore. Lol and now my brother + I swear like sailors and looove spicy food.

[@virginiaavitia8986]

Lmao same I feel like that's how it always turns out😂

[@moongirlmimi]

Lol!!!

[@flamingsickle]

My mom would make us hold cayenne pepper on our tongues. Now I love adding it to my food while they think ketchup is spicy. 😂

[@bug7059]

For a second I thought you said tobacco and then I had to read it again

[@user-wg1xk7ji1n]

You can see Hannah laughing/smiling when she talks about how her daughters are growing up without her, so it (to me) kinda shows that she is one of those people who awkwardly smile at 'inappropriate' times. I agree w/ you that the parents didn't intentionally kill him… still really sad though.

[@HooliganFamilyAdventures]

I do this when I'm really emotional. Like trying not to cry.

[@julesjade1540]

I thought the exact same thing as soon as I saw her smiling when she was talking about her daughters growing up without her

[@LauraVittadini]

Her smile didn't fade until she was convicted...... 🤯

[@LauraVittadini]

@@HooliganFamilyAdventures Why was she so emotional after the guilty verdict, though? 😥

[@cakedbake1273]

@@LauraVittadini because who wouldnt be? like is that not obvious why

[@raelynwalls2966]

I don’t think hosing him down in the yard is that crazy, my parents used to do that to me and my brothers when we got all muddy outside so we didn’t track mud in the house 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@Zombieslag]

Same here, it's normal.

[@brittanyking9753]

Exact same with me and I hose my daughter down after the sandbox or when she’s dirty because it’s also a fun activity in the warm days!

[@baemto]

Right! I thought it was weird when the interviewer was insinuating that that was odd, I did it all the time as a kid lol

[@brooketurner4673]

Raelyn Bailey um same

[@nats_narrative]

Yes! Me too! That interviewer made is seem like torture! (And I understand that it has been used as torture, but with really cold water and a high pressure and I DONT think that’s what they did)

[@patrickboyle932]

We need to destigmantize refusing to talk to the police w/o a representative present.

[@beckyboo1433]

Yes! This i agree with. I would actually prefer we were given representation at the start without having to ask but at the very least it doesn't mean you're guilty if you want to talk to a lawyer.

[@SavviiTuesday]

Amazing this women got sent away, easy.. but Casey Anthony got to walk... Smh

[@SavviiTuesday]

@Emily Fox I wasn't really asking a question, but I suppose I see the point you're trying to make 🤷🏾‍♀️🙆🏾‍♀️

[@morganpeyton6977]

Savanna LaVera 👏🏼👏🏼

[@MARYWTHER]

@@SavviiTuesday Thing is, it really was about the physique. Anthony's attorney worked really hard to make her look innocent: she was dressed like a child sometimes, with her hair done in a "nice girl" way, she was crying the whole time, wearing clothes that clearly were NOT from her wardrobe lol.

[@sofiabravo1994]

Because one is religious and the other one isn’t kind of feel like there’s bigotry in this

[@InsightofSamantha]

She was wrongfully convicted and is receiving $600K from the state for her time spent in prison.

[@lakeshagoodwin6421]

I’m stressed out just listening to this child’s behavior. I couldn’t do it

[@velocireindeer]

Washing a naked kid off with a hose in the backyard is just country life

[@arisafarias4808]

I feel like this is what a Mexican grandma or mom would do as well 😝

[@x777aria]

honestly yeah lol

[@nunyabusiness3738]

It was a punishment when I was a kid because it's so cold outside where I'm from.

[@MariahiDontCarey]

Ari Saí lol my Mexican grandmother did that to me and my siblings when we were young but not as a punishment but something related to our bathroom shower being broken lol

[@Blodreina45]

I know it Lol

[@autumn_obbsessed]

I was a foster kid from 9 months old until I was 7, and as a child of that upbringing I can guarantee that his behavior is very normal for a foster kid. I was “accidentally” starved in one of the homes and because of this I still have an eating disorder. It sounds super outlandish to someone who doesn’t understand but it foster care is a hellish experience and I know other kids who have had maybe even worse experience then Andrew and may he Rest In Peace.

[@clairecarty906]

I'm so sorry for this. I'm a foster parent, and it kills me to hear of kids getting hurt in foster homes. We work so hard to make sure every child that enters our home is loved so well.

[@tgs5725]

Clearly Dr.Phil didnt grow up in the south. Getting hosed down in the back yard isnt harsh at all. Even if you get mud on you, you get hosed down often before coming in the house. Its just so you dont track dirtyness and stuff all in the house. Its not like its a damn pressure washer thats ripping your skin off... its a water hose, you can literally drink the water coming out of it, its coming out so slow.

[@jillian451]

Honestly it’s not even just a southern thing. I think any logical person would hose themselves down before entering the house if they were muddy, overly dirty, & ESPECIALLY if they were covered in shit 🤷🏼‍♀️ 100% NOT abuse. I’m from New York and my mom would do the same so that 1. Poop doesn’t get all over the house and 2. The poop doesn’t go down the water drain.

[@gapeach14]

Yep!!...They act like it’s a fire hose 🙄🙄🙄

[@1rage17]

And when your a toddler or younger its not abnormal to be naked outside within the confines of your own backyard especially

[@JaimeStroud1976]

100% agree with you...we were hosed off when we were younger and did the same to my kids. Definitely not inhumane or a form of punishment....geez Dr. PHIL

[@alexandrianielsen6185]

Being Hosed down outside is way easier then putting them in the shower and then having to clean the shower because there’s shit in the drain....

[@virtuous_women_ofgod]

That lady didn't seem like someone that could hurt a fly. Kudos to her husband for holding it together while she was away.

[@jordanspitzer4053]

She might not have done it on purpose but she neglected that poor boy and got Hundreds of thousands as a REWARD?? For neglect??

[@lvelazquez5595]

Amen 💯👍👏

[@maggiequinncloud]

Jordan Spitzer There really isn’t proof of neglect except making him sleep on a wooden bed frame after he smeared shit all over the bed and the mattress was soaked from being cleaned. One night sleeping on a hard surface certainly isn’t neglect.

[@jordanspitzer4053]

Maggie Cloud leaving him alone to eat enough salt for him to die is quite obvious neglect. Because of her that child is dead. She never should’ve taken him in. She didn’t love him

[@maggiequinncloud]

Jordan Spitzer I️ think it’s a bold accusation to claim she didn’t love him, I️ think he was misdiagnosed with Pica when he actually had Prader-Willis syndrome and she was simply unaware of how to raise him and what to expect and what precautions to take, as PWS causes severe compulsive behavior, aggression, delayed development, learning disabilities, and excessive insatiable hunger amongst other things. A diagnosis of PWS would also explain his previous foster mother not noticing symptoms, they wouldn’t have started developing yet. They were only fostering him, they hadn’t yet adopted him. If she simply didn’t love him they would have sent him back into the system. Parents of children with Prader-Willis often have to have padlocks on the fridge and cabinets because the second their back is turn the child will GORGE themselves on anything. She had five other children, without knowing of this diagnosis and the developmental delay and compulsive behavior that comes along with it, one would absolutely think they could turn their back for two minutes on a four year old without them ingesting a lethal amount of salt. It was a tragic accident, but honestly? I’m not even sure he DID ingest the salt. It was proven that his stomach contents did not contain twice the normal limit upon arrival, his blood levels did and this was AFTER the HOSPITAL pumped him with sodium for over an HOUR. The doctor’s completely false testimony of Andrew’s symptoms also led to an innocent woman doing 7 years in prison. THAT is not only neglect but potential medical malpractice.

[@cocowahlberg7082]

1) getting rinsed off by a water hose is normal. Not an issue at all. 2) spicy stuff as a punishment is also normal. I live in Texas and my parents used to give us a slice of jalapeño to suck on if we talked back, lied, cussed. Stuff like that 3) I don’t believe she meant to harm Andrew at all. I think he got into salt and she obviously didn’t know.

[@puppyhowler]

the spicy stuff can easily be seen as abuse, depending on HOW spicy the spices is

[@lizbitsmith9706]

puppyhowler Doubt most parents are buying ghost peppers or California reapers to discipline their kids. It’s parenting after all, not an episode of hot ones.

[@nicolataylor6011]

I'm from the UK and we had lemon juice put in the mouth for cursing and swearing..never once Is it seen as abuse..

[@puppyhowler]

@@lizbitsmith9706 eh you never know with how crazy some parents can be

[@nm56342]

@@puppyhowler apparently any form of discipline nowadays is abuse? what does biting into something spicy have to do with abuse? can it kill you?

[@nikki0817]

I’ve sprayed my kids off with a hose in the yard a million times. Especially when they would poop on themselves while potty training and just starting to wear undies. My son had a horrible problem with that. So that’s not weird at all. Unless it’s cold outside. Then it’s def messed up. But It just sounds like this couple took on way to many kids then they could handle. Those church people love doing that stuff for some reason.

[@colecat7461]

Seriously! My mom loves me more than anything and is a super protective parent, and yet I’ve been hosed off in a yard plenty of times😂 but I’m also from Louisiana so maybe that’s it.

[@KimmieKiTTie92]

I don't think she purposely poisoned the child... but I do think part of her was relieved... they had too many children! And this child required A LOT of care!

[@dinkyjen79]

Nah...i have 6 children and each and everyone of their lives is priceless and I would rather struggle everyday with a special needs child then lose them forever

[@memerice7609]

@@dinkyjen79 Amen!

[@latisha9456]

honestly, before adopting someone you have to think about the consequences of having so many children. you have to take the care this child needed into consideration BEFORE adopting.

[@jennywhite3508]

I come from a huge family with lots of siblings so it’s really not hard to have a lot of children or even to adopt because we adopted as well but I agree with you that little boy was very hard to handle and would have been better off with a family who could give him all the attention he needed.

[@BeeTeaDubs]

@@dinkyjen79 Absolutely and that's the answer every single person, or in the very least every single parent, should give. But unfortunately, there will always be parents who shouldn't have parents, horrible people who shouldn't be around kids and monsters that shouldn't be in the free world. In a perfect world, every parent would be like you Jennifer. After such a heartbreaking video, it's great seeing a comment from someone with a big heart and nothing but good intentions like you. Never change! I wish you and your family nothing but good health, happiness and safety.

[@frog1204]

I think if you analyze ANY family that closely you will find parenting practices that don’t fit into what we see as the “norm.”

[@Jelloitsme]

Caitlyn O'Neill yeah and every single parent/adult who would point out those malpractices have or will probably do something that would fit that category.

[@foziahussain5343]

Soo true

[@mowganashwey]

This is so true.

[@kenetrice]

Yepp, especially if they think hosing a kid off outside is not normal. lol My mom has hosed us off many times, washed our mouths out with soap, put hot sauce in our mouths, etc. Not to mention being spanked. She would have been in jail for sure if they were analyzing her. lol

[@joannasaadati8810]

@@kenetrice I'm from Poland and live in Canada so hosing off seems cruel to me because there are only 2 months of the year where that would feel good 😂 Definitely depends on your own personal experience.

[@heartofglass6802]

When I was younger my mom would give me chicken broth in a sippy cup to shut me up about food

[@reneeemmerson4184]

I WOULD MAKE THAT FOR MYSELF AS A KID!

[@adrieanajosephine6938]

Is still drink some🤷🏻‍♀️🤣

[@zachary7335]

I still do that sometimes when I’m sick🤣🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️

[@urmom-dg4ch]

𝕊𝕒𝕞𝕖😂😂

[@Moncherelouis]

My friend is nearly 17 and still does this, it’s not weird

[@something_burger]

There are only two things about this case that I am absolutely certain about: 1. This case was horribly mismanaged, and justice was not served. 2. Andrew deserved so, so much better. May he rest in peace.

[@Kristiekins2]

It's not like they called the whole neighborhood over to watch while they hosed him down. Good lord.

[@Chloe575_]

Kristie McDonald IKR!! dr Phil acted as if they tortured the kid

[@brebre2480]

Kristie McDonald and the sheets they probably don’t have a fire pit !! Like tf they gonna do if the kid kept getting a shitty blanket out the trash

[@mls617983]

Kristie McDonald I know. It’s ridiculous how they make a big deal out something that’s not earth shattering.

[@raisingrem9661]

The only real flags for me are burning the sheets on the grill, and having him sleep on his bed frame. Possible they had no other way to contain the fire. The seasoning in the sippy cup seems like a somewhat smart way to try and convince Andrew he was intaking something flavorful like a soup or a broth without the calories and without feeding him four bowls. A drive to the hospital is faster than an ambulance here, and using a normal backyard hose to rinse a poopy toddler is very common. I’m sure they got frustrated and were overwhelmed with his behaviors, but I don’t think some questionable choices = life in prison for murder. Andrew looked like such a sweet boy, I’m happy he found a family and hope his last few months were spent so very feeling loved.

[@rattian1976]

Exactly!! Seasoning is in everything and instead of giving him more food, she did something smart to protect him, unknowing of the salt he had consumed prior to.

[@ChaoticBad]

I think the bed frame is because he was eating his mattress.

[@chihuahua3239]

Bed frame thing isnt weird though. Ive been punished with that twice when I was a preschooler. Not that bad, lol. My parents are good parents.

[@emilyarmstrong83]

Honestly, I think it was really just a tragic accident caused by him eating a lot of stuff that was high in sodium, like the soup, the stuff in his sippy cup, and then possibly more salt in pantry.

[@deenawomack4661]

There's no way I would ever want a hamburger from that grill!! Not sure of that idea all the way around. I wouldn't make my kids sleep on a wooden frame, but I could see my own mother doing so for punishment.

[@alannapowell7678]

My mom used to give us chicken broth (which is essentially seasoning and water) during winter time as a sort of warm drink. Also, my cousin smiles when shes uncomfortable... just because it isn't a TYPICAL reaction, doesn't mean it's wrong or malicious. Definitely some poor choices made here, but none of us can know how we would have reacted in these same situations.

[@Geminivixenchelly]

Yeah it's seriously so strange when a person smiles or giggles during serious moments but my daughter has the problem and it drives me crazy. I always thought that she was being deceitful but now I know she's just uncomfortable and doesn't know how to express her emotions the way most people do in certain uncomfortable or serious situations.

[@jukou4life583]

Alanna Powell I’m one of those people. It genuinely doesn’t matter what it is. I will smile or giggle for just about anything. Automatically makes me look suspicious

[@mariaasmrr]

Gemini Vixen Chelly thing is she only giggled when she did interviews. but during trial it was all tears? kinda weird

[@Amanda-cv7vn]

This is so sad my mom as a child had salt poisoning and her kidneys shut down thank God she recovered but she at 72 still has issues because of it

[@dimatadore]

Oh okay so we can’t even factually mention what substances are abused now. Bravo, KZbin.

[@krist3nmari38]

Ridiculous isnt it?!

[@yayayhahaha6909]

Actually you can talk about drugs as much as you want just not in a glorifying way

[@yayayhahaha6909]

The Matadore Kendall ily but that’s just overdramatic you know damn well you can talk about drugs on KZbin. Especially if it is in a context like this.

[@nunpho]

Things are automatically flagged anything to do with drugs, sex etc get flagged. A lot of people in the LGBT+ community, especially trans people are getting their videos flagged as they talk about their bodies as they are going through transitioning etc. KZbin is just being way overprotective. I miss how it used to be

[@starcarter531]

I grew up in foster homes, I can say some of them were good while others were terrible experiences. It’s heartbreaking to hear about his story. Rest In Peace Andrew, you’re gone but not forgotten.

[@trishak5128]

I grew up in foster care part of my life. Holy crap I was treated horribly. One of my foster families starved my sister and I.

[@starcarter531]

Trisha K I’m sorry to hear that. I had a foster mother who put her own children before me, she was and still is manipulative around me.

[@lindavincent5432]

I've had a shock response while holding my daughter when she was 18 months old. She had accidentally gotten into my sister's medicine that my sister left open on the coffee table while I was sick in bed. She ate 2 of these pills. Her body was limp like a newborn baby. My husband drove to her doctors office because it was closer & we were so young. I started laughing hysterically while tears were running down my face in the car. Had I done that in front of cops today or maybe even in the 70s I'm sure she would have been taken from me. She's fine by the way with no lasting effects. Praise God!

[@christineakey9016]

I’m so glad her conviction was overturned. If the child can eat a foam mattress, cigarette butts, and a carpet, then yes, he can eat salt.

[@chubbybunny7665]

When she said baking ingredients, I think baking soda or baking powder. The sodium in either is extremely high in very small amounts.

[@breathJONNYstay]

Casey Anthony’s car smelled like a dead body and Caylee’s hair was found in the trunk. She wasn’t with her daughter for a month. She was found not guilty. How the hell does that work???

[@emilyburdett1513]

That’s what I thought too!

[@DonPeyote420]

2 words: good lawyer

[@SaltyMouse10]

I have a bachelor's of forensics and that case pissed me off. The prosecution tried to capture the smell of death in a container as evidence. The hair, not reporting her missing, search history, etc should have been enought, but they get her bad checks?! Our justice system is a joke.

[@thepurplestofpies1136]

@@SaltyMouse10 cool, I actually plan to go into forensic photography after high school, that case annoyed me as well.

[@dominiquemiller7342]

That's Florida for you. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@Neytecha]

Love the content but when you said “she shouldn’t have been sleeping” I froze lol because sleep is strong enough to over power you and you can go to sleep and if she was already tired…. Definitely wouldn’t add this to bad parenting lol

[@victoriastroud4820]

She could've been on medication for her injuries from the car accident and maybe that made her drowsy. This kind of thing can happen to anyone, but unfortunately this was the one in a million instance where it ended tragically. I know hindsight is 20/20 but maybe they should've locked up the cabinets.

[@tionnahunt8732]

Right. She’s jsut now becoming a parent so she don’t understand the exhaustion that overtakes you at some points no matter how hard you try to stay awake

[@Britt1Marie]

I agree. I heard that and was like uhhhh

[@tors1278]

hard agree. I'm usually in agreement with Kendall but as I was hearing the story, all I was thinking was what brave parents trying to handle this child. I mean, just regular tantrums are hard to deal with in the moment. These parents were dealing with way way more, even if they signed up for adopting him knowing his difficult background. I think about the early nights with baby, poop everywhere--not the same as this foster kid but it's survival mode. I hope when Kendall's lived through her one child for a few years she revisits this video with an update. Some of her judgements were a bit harsh.

[@Secret-Serenity]

@@tors1278 totally agree was thinking the same thing!

[@supercoversisters8652]

I believe that she is innocent and that Andrew’s death was an tragic accident.

[@sueb2898]

She is NOT innocent. She punished him TO DEATH!

[@sambutterfield8960]

Sue B With what seasoned water? Hate to tell you but the doctors kept pushing salt water into his bloodstream because they didn’t know about the already elevated sodium levels. They didn’t find insanely crazy amounts of salt in his stomach meaning she didn’t spoon feed him salt they found it in his bloodstream

[@antisocialafrican1469]

Sue B are you actually looking at all the facts?

[@anthoniaeghwe6274]

Same.

[@andykarlson1681]

I agree. She’s innocent.

[@brooklyndelisle7625]

Yes, the marks all on his body could have been caused by the medical staff trying to save him but he also threw tantrums often. I think some of them could have been accidentally self inflicted. If seen kids have tantrums and thrown themselves on the ground so hard that they bruise themselves. Just my theory.

[@chloemichelle3320]

Yeah that and didn't his mom literally say he was a clumsy child. He was rowdy boy and what I can tell from the videos he enjoyed playing outside so he probably got hurt sometimes, as children do, especially children with poor motor skills.

[@brendajuan8463]

yeah, I'm an adult and I still have numerous bruises on my right leg at all times, is it because of abuse? no I'm just clumsy. Clumsiness causes a lot of injuries tbh

[@eaweareeacosa1878]

I have an almost 5 year old and she’ll have scratches and bruises that I have no idea where they came from, she very active and climbs everything. Right now she’s standing on her chair and jumping off 🤦‍♀️ I’ll find I have random bruises myself that I have no idea came from

[@chloelam3962]

I’m already like twelve and I still get injured for one of the most stupid things, it could have easily been self inflicted, and kids get so many more injuries when they are younger

[@jessicahurley5251]

My daughter, nephews, and cousins do this. Honestly I’ve never seen a kid not do this to get their way.