KickStarter's STOLEN campaigns - SGR

[@slopesgameroom]

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[@horatiohornblower741]

Love the show, big fan of complete history series too

[@gustavogoes9939]

Uu

[@slopesgameroom]

appreciated buddy, huge thanks for all the support

[@zacherydunn6174]

avo-the-self-cleaning-tropical-fish-tank all the backers think she stole the money for her wedding and house.

[@Jennifer_Devote]

Hay your using the sound tack from the opening of the game "sea of thieves" where is their credit!!!!

[@TMJBtv]

The peachy printer thing seems like it was a scam from the start. Why would he have a calm interview about the money being stolen with the guy who stole it...? Just report it and get the money back surely. I think they were both in on it, pocketed the money and filmed this stupid story

[@metalc.s3170]

I agree They’ve got to be in on it together

[@DragonNexus]

And on that note, why if you've stolen the money would you go "Yes, I stole it. And I'm willing to have a nice sit down chat on camera saying I stole it, thus incriminating myself"

[@alleosussquirt8041]

Frankly I'd go at things as calmly as possible, because going in raging will either make you make a critical misstep that'll cost you everything, or make you overlook something important. But yeah this is a clear investigation requirement now that is shady as fuck. At best the guy set this all up to make his goon the fall guy in terms of internet targeting. I wish I knew what kickstarter had done about it.

[@ChrisLove713]

yuuup

[@gotgunpowder]

of course, and your uninformed third party viewpoint is clear gospel. not like people can calmly discuss something like adults. nah, must be scam.

[@GlassesnMouthplates]

I'm more confused than angry about the micro 3D printer scam, all thanks to that low budget documentary they decided to make using 0.001% of the money they accumulated from the backers. It's like a child trying to convince his parents that a time-travelling sentient dinosaur was the one who ate all the cookies from the cookie jar.

[@Hammerhead547]

I'm not entirely unconvinced that peachy printer wasn't just a money laundering scheme in the first place.

[@FranNyan]

Considering that resin printers in '14 were still stupid pricey and the resin itself is still painful to the wallet despite the existence of legit $150 resin printers now.. yeah, that was 100% a scam. The proof is that no one built the plans that were released. The maker community would have been all over that if it had been even remotely legit.

[@uselessDM]

That they are just calmly sitting there discussing it seems very strange. That David would ge infront of the camera and just admit to it seems very strange as well to me. It smells like a planned cover up to make them look like they did everything to make it seem as they wanted to be as open as possible about it, so that backers wouldn't make too much of a fuss. But then again, you could just vanish and never give another update ever again like that Air Umbrella campaign for example and keep the money either way.

[@DJMouthwash]

Yeah, the "innocent" guy is a pretty shitty actor. You don't just sit your business partner down for an interview to say "Sowwy I embezzled thowsands of dowwaws :^)" like fucking Logan Paul if you weren't already in on it. You call the police and find a lawyer.

[@Hammerhead547]

@@uselessDM My guess is that they either squandered all of the money on themselves or one of them was in deep with a loan shark and that's where the $750.000 went. I don't know what part of canada they're from but there's no way that's a $200.000+ house unless they live in saskatchewan, most other places like ontario quebec or bc that's easily a $500.000+ home not including the value of the property itselfm

[@gus_valadares]

Extremely unlikely. In order to institute a laudering scheme you have to have a very complex organization to mix the dirty money with the clean money so Kickstarter alone wouldn't be enough. Also, they have to be very low profile and avoid too much exposition and detail. They need to avoid leaving the tracking of the money. And they admitting to run away with the money like they did it's pinning the accusation on theirselves. To begin with, almost 4500 real people are backing this project so, there are at 4500 people in constant monitoring of this thing. Kickstarter it's a very high traffic website where succesful projects go viral you Yourtube and websites, not exactly a low profile place to do that. The scammers behind this travesty have shown their faces and purposely drawn attention to their scam with video publicity, photos, actors and all. Most important of all, Money laudering schemes avoid at all costs to encourage people to look at their scam. They are idiot scammers that, whatever they did to the money, now they think it's smart making a drama to get away with the job

[@MysteryD]

"he built a house with it" alright. So which room is mine?

[@SwiftNimblefoot]

Yeah, I think what is done in such cases is that the court claims the house, sells it and then returns the money.

[@nightstalker5282]

Just go to the house and reclaim your share. As in if your money went to the tile then you reclaim that tile and resell it. Every part of that house can be taken apart and resold from the nails to the toilet.

[@storymaster21]

well the peachy printer is pretty easy, call the canadian feds, report him for tax fraud AND for his theft. they will take possession of his home and his possessions and sell it and use the money to refund the backers. then he will go to a federal prison. when making a judgement in regards to stolen money anything purchased with the money is also legally considered to be stolen and will be taken, this includes a home or car.

[@ironsentinel6047]

Your lack of caps at the start of sentences disturbs me. Are you a sentient being?

[@eval_is_evil]

@@ironsentinel6047 are you some sort of grammar Nazi ? It fuckin happens if you're used to auto caps and then it's turned off.

[@Ezichim]

Kickstarter needs to get on top of this, they make it so easy for people to scam.

[@ironsentinel6047]

@@eval_is_evil Your *r/whoosh* needs an update. Please click *here* to install.

[@Hammerhead547]

I suspect it was probably a money laundering scheme of some sort or another.

[@Pooky1991]

At this point the "I invoke my rights under kickstarter" comments might as well be a meme because 99 percent of the time it does nothing

[@Grayvorn]

Just like the 'I do not give Facebook permission to....' stuff huh?

[@kkcty]

That Peachy Printer 'docudrama' is one of the most bizarre Kickstarter things I've seen here so far. And that's saying something.

[@scottydu81]

If this includes that guy who kickstarted a submarine so he could lure a poor woman to her death, holy cow

[@lindastone6868]

As soon as I saw those drives advertised on FB I reported them as a scam.

[@GrandCorsair]

The Peachy Printer story is fishy as hell. I'm not even convinced they aren't both in on it. He seems pretty calm talking to the guy who "ripped him off". You think they would be more upset.

[@DesolatorMagic]

I wouldn't be able to be in the same room as that thief without punching him. The other dude HAD to be in on it.

[@Zulf85]

Which one...?

[@GrandCorsair]

Yeah, he was pretty calm for being taking time out of his day traveling to them only to be told you're getting all of jack shit for your money.

[@ThatManOverThere]

Given what you've talked about doing to attempted thieves, I'm not sure he'd get to leave the room.

[@gotgunpowder]

lmao because you're a fucking child who can't solve his issues without violence. but nah it must be a scam right? not like people can actually discuss an issue like adults. for how much money they got they put too much effort into it to be a "scam", it was just a project that failed because of bungled finances.

[@DeviIInADress]

Some people are inherently nonviolent and able to control their emotions - Crazy concept, I know 🤯

[@KerzacTransformed]

The best scam is one that takes little to no work. Little effort for the scammers and it makes it appear to be real to the customers.

[@buttholesavior1364]

Wow . I kant believe it . How did u figure that out its such a komplex idea like holy shit

[@godlaydying]

The 3D printer thing must have been a scam from the start. They don't have houses in Canada, only igloos.

[@Faelocke]

Am Canadian, can confirm. I even built a second one for my moose.

[@OtioseFanatic]

Stories like the one for the Peachy Printer are why people think Canadians are TOO polite.

[@lvl5Vaporeon]

That final entry made me go "Oh so he was describing himself and not the company when he named that studio". Great work as usual Slopes!

[@genyakozlov1316]

He was the only real person in that "studio" so that makes sense. The name describes the only member.

[@Trueglich]

Lol looking at warp drive part.. I work for a SSD maker and i am think how the hell do you get 1 tb and flash and a NVME usb contoler that small and not cook itself. I guss the answer is you don't yet.

[@krivdik]

Well, you cannot fool the laws of thermodynamics I guess.

[@Grinnar]

Someday, but that day is not now. :(

[@LittleRainGames]

You can get 1tb flash ICs which are pretty small. I could see you layering 2 boards and fitting it in that space, flash on 1 board and an MCU handling USB on the other. And if the case was metal, it could be used as a heat sink, but i have no idea how hot they get so i could be wrong.

[@Trueglich]

@@LittleRainGames not at nvme speeds that it claimed. Look at nvme m.2 drives. Manny need heat syncs bigger then they are to work at full speed

[@ikmnification5737]

Portable Resin 3D Printer: Best thing that could happen is the UV cures the resin before you can use it. Worst thing that could happen is chemical burns and resin everywhere. What is there to lose?

[@evoeden]

That's some 3d printed house for sure. PS: I miss RetroDrop&Retro

[@Vanilla0729]

Stop Drop & Retro?

[@evoeden]

@@Vanilla0729 Him , yeah

[@summerlaverdure]

what happened?

[@SoldMySoul45]

Yeah, I miss Stop Drop Retro too. He hasn’t uploaded in a very long time. I wonder what happened to him. Hoping those Scam Z asshats didn’t get to him.

[@mattwo7]

11:58 Is it just me or does the camera angle combined with his position and relative size make it it look like a green screen was involved here? I know objects closer to the camera appear larger but there's something a bit off about this I can't put my finger on. Not to mention the way this is edited makes it look like he didn't actually say the same thing each time. Which means those three are all actors. I'm a media critic, I have an eye for these things.

[@M644theawesome]

I hope everyone was able to get their money back on that second one, there should be an easy way to resolve it, call the police and report it, all the evidence is out there to be a open and shut case, he should not have that house he still lives in

[@ThomasTomiczek]

The peachy printer thing is stupid. He build a house with it? Sure. Court, Sell house, recover a significant part of the money. Done. Oh, and prison time.

[@Advent-Axl]

Wow they jacked Genzoman's artwork like people wouldn't recognize it?

[@Hammerhead547]

You should do one of these on the old HRT F1 Team and how they had to crowdfund their last race appearance in 2012 at the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix, the background too the story is fascinating. Especially the part about the team being more or less broke along with being hilariously mismanaged financially too the point that they literally had to beg fans for table scraps to get too their last race. They spent their last season so lacking in sponsorship that they adorned the empty spaces on their cars with signage that read "this could be you", "your name here" and "this space is nice" which is the F1 equivalent too a street corner beggars sign saying "hungry and homeless, please help".

[@Pooky1991]

I remember the Peachy Printer on the shitty kickstarter reddit long ago. I always wondered what happened with that shitstorm

[@Whomobile]

That Peachy Printer Interview looks like a Half in the Bag episode

[@skydiamsteam6005]

"So tell us what happened Mike!"

[@potatoradio]

Why wasn't the rcmp notified and the house confiscated.

[@zombietrash416]

about the 3d printer, which out of the three options did the backers choose? and did anything happen with that?

[@DragonNexus]

Always love these stories. The things people think they can get away with. I especially like stories of the internet doing the full Sherlock thing and taking these campaigns apart piece by piece.

[@powergannon]

How can you openly admit to stealing money from crowdfunding investors and not face any legal consequences?

[@stevenschnepp576]

Canada, apparently.

[@adamfrazer5150]

How callous can your mind be when naming the post that tells everyone how screwed they are 'Big Bad News' 😒

[@caberwikijack]

"Stolen from here! And here! And this! I'm not gonna explain exactly WHERE this was stolen from, you're gonna have to take my word for it!"

[@DrButthugger]

So glad this popped up on my recommended, because apparently I’m not subscribed! That’s now been fixed, love your content!

[@carterstroud5403]

How is warp drive not already trademarked

[@auqustfire]

It's probably too general to be trademarked.

[@sos_legio_primus]

Meat Soap?. Just what everybody wants. Their partner smelling like a charnel house. Well, I guess if Everybody is Ed Gein. Mind you the guy has a look of John Wayne Gacy about him. So maybe he does

[@CristalianaIvor]

Well u can actually make soap from meat (or to be precise the fat of meat)....

[@sos_legio_primus]

@@CristalianaIvor True they used to use rendered fat to make soap and candles. Even a couple of serial killers used this method to help dispose of some of their kills along with selling the meat as food, using the hair for stuffing cushions and powdering the bones into plant food. But from that clip I got the idea, it was meat scented soap. Kinda like bacon soap but grosser

[@Orkunkadunk]

My dad did this and now he’s in the human zoo

[@PeanutButterfly92]

5:25 I appreciate the fact that you used a song from Rhythm Thief.

[@TheHoonShow]

God damn, the Peachy Printer is like the most Canadian scam I've ever seen

[@blisterfingers8169]

In Search of Darkness was absolutely dire. It's a bunch of hasbeens blowing smoke up their own and each others arses. It talks about a lot of films but some films get a literal 20 seconds of time and most of the time is spent on films we all already know everything about. Also the marketing was full of FOMO bullshit and it charged through the nose for physical and digital releases. I fully expect In Search of Tomorrow to be the same. Don't waste your money.

[@MuchWhittering]

Atomic Shrimp has done several videos about stupidly cheap storage devices from Facebook, I'd recommend checking them out. Assuming they send you anything at all, it will be a 32GB (If you're lucky) drive that has been spoofed to fool the computer into thinking it's 2TB. The computer will copy files at it as though it's 2TB, but anything beyond the actual capacity of the drive will be lost.

[@Phantomsangel]

I'm surprised no one burnt his house down yet out of spite lol.

[@novalinnhe]

Absolutely love this series, but just wanted to ask if anyone else was confused by how the first scam works (the Kickstarter/Facebook one)? Putting aside that the product wasn't real in the first place, is the scam that people were spending more money for the same product on Facebook (which is why you beat them at their own game by going over to Kickstarter to buy it)?

[@Rot_Soft]

No, the Facebook scam was pretending to be the kickstarted item for much cheaper but in reality they probably just sent you a cheap shoddy HDD. The kickstarter itself was obviously a scam too though, no random company is going to be making an SSD that size with that capacity.

[@sown-laughter4351]

I'd be worried about stealing money to build a house; a house is quite flammable...

[@pferreira1983]

The peachy printer one was obviously planned quite early on. They had the apology video ready months ahead and making a documentary out of it seems like an attempt to fix what happened.

[@baitrunner1000]

Came for the scammers.. stayed for the Golden Axe cover music 13:50

[@DaRip74]

YAY crypt of the necrodancer music used. LOVE that game so i recognized a trac from it.

[@pagannova3621]

2:56 alright, good choice in music. didn't expect to hear that track here

[@doodoostickstain]

i honestly don't understand how people can feel comfortable spending other people's money on themselves. especially stating later that they "regret" it. it's like....i don't care that you regret it, you did it in the first place. that says a lot about your character, and even more that you decide later it wasn't right. you know, AFTER you gained from it :D sitting in his nice new house "yeah. i regret spending all of those people's money on this. i should probably tell them so"

[@doodoostickstain]

it's like, there's a LOT that goes into building a house. i mean, he had to go over plans, oversee the development, make many decisions on layout, locations, etc etc...then afterwards it's "yeah maybe i was wrong" ? bullshit! hopefully he didn't do the "i have a family" rationale other scumbags do lol i have a family, we've been broke, i didn't rob banks lol

[@senpieloven]

Peachy printer thing made no sense unless they were in on it and did not have a peachy printer in the first place??? A small 3D printer coulda made millions, or even sold the patent?????? For a couple hundred thousand. Literally! If they had a real mini 3D printer in the first place they coulda sold off the whole hassle to the highest bidder

[@Komiksti]

Kickstarter should sort this out.

[@zephyrus339]

That dagger at 18:15. I know that dagger! I have one exactly like that in my room. Okay, mine doesn't have runes on the blade and mine is silver/steel coloured, but other than that the shape of the blade and the shape and decorations on the hilt and pommel are 100% the same. I bought it at my very first Fantasy Fair. I don't now when exactly but it must be from before 2009.

[@tageneislover]

I really don't know what to expect from this title. This is gonna be interesting nonetheless.

[@frottlemi5301]

nice one slopes, adding the sea of thieves tune to the start when you're talking about people stealing kickstarters.

[@slopesgameroom]

I also added rhythm their and the thief theme from golden axe :P

[@maxxam3590]

1:46 Isn't that one of the posters for Extro?

[@iaincowell9747]

Xtro & yeah it is.

[@maxxam3590]

@@iaincowell9747 Good movie, I have some story with it...

[@mikethetowns]

6:11 that dude looks incredible baked right there. Also great watch, especially that section haha. Keep up the great work dude and stay safe.

[@slopesgameroom]

Cheers buddy. I felt like there was quite the variety in these 3. Glad you liked it

[@meetoo594]

So the takeaway from all this is you can rip people off without consequences on crowdfunding sites. Those peachy printer guys and their amateur dramatics friends basically got a free house plus all the backers money leftover and walked into the sunset with it. That printer was a fake and all the people in that video were in on it and getting a cut. Not sure why they wernt arrested for something but maybe the kickstarter tos absolves them of responsibility and they committed no crime. Never understood why anyone would pay to crowdfund something, just wait till its finished and on store shelves and avoid all this. A fool and his money etc.....

[@TheCheat420]

I completely forgot about the Peachy Printer thing until the floating head confession. I didn't recognize the product or the guy's name, but I recognized that insane shot.

[@alexalexander1772]

Does mean nobody will back my ‘fact quest book’ by professor Gary.

[@JDyes-vk4zn]

Shout out from Charlotte NC in the States, long time viewer. This is going to sound ignorant but what would you define your accent as, I cant figure if its just the accent plus unique voice that has me intrigued or the accent is from a small area in Europe (As in not many people have it, so harder to distinguish)? Either way love the videos and that you put yourself more in the video instead of only narrating it. Keep it up bro!

[@cheshyr1]

J. Dyes England. He is from England. Not all British accents are the same. Londoners has a different accent than say someone from Northern England. Each region is different. Some cities are different within the same area.

[@JDyes-vk4zn]

@@cheshyr1 Thanks for clearing that up. Over here in states (like anywhere) theres many accents but sometimes it's more of the person's unique voice that makes it hard to pinpoint origin.

[@ArticJane]

Holy cow that middle one... That's just... So much detail almost has me convinced he is just trying to cover his own ass as well

[@slopesgameroom]

Yeah that's the impression I got too. Annoyingly... no evidence against anything he has shown

[@SDeww]

if you manage to scam people out of 320.000 dollar buildt a house with that money and get away with it having so much evidence against you!!!,, kudos to you!, fair play!...

[@benjaminolson7206]

So basically 3d printer guy agreed to let his partner embezzle money as a loan on the condition that he made a weird video admitting to it (in the past tense) which would then be released if the partner did not pay back the money in a timely fashion. He didn't like the thing, but wasn't willing to actually stop it because the guy had given him the money to start the project in the first place and so instead he came up with the weird video idea which he thinks puts him in the clear by having the other guy take all the blame in advance. Innovation of all sorts comes from people who think differently than others. I'll totally buy that the guy who (at least thought) he figured out a way to produce a dirt cheap 3d printer also thought he had come up with a brilliant original solution to how to deal with his partner illegally "borrowing" money without it becoming a problem. It didn't work out in either case.

[@Hammerhead547]

I wouldn't be surprised if they were actually laundering money for someone else through the project. Either than or one of them owed a bunch of money to a loan shark and they squandered the rest on themselves.

[@pjomayo]

I was burned by funding Project Phoenix, which was to be a JRPG Several years have passed, no sign of even an Alpha build or anything tangible.

[@foxman105]

That necrodancer song made me panic for a split second because I wasn't pressing buttons to the beat.

[@littleNorwegians]

Have you looked into Chronicles of Elyria? (MMO video game kickstarter)

[@MrMegaManFan]

Weird to hear Crypt of the Necrodancer in the background... but not in a bad way.

[@Kinglink]

Playing the usual theme has interesting connotations for this videos. "I'm going to take you for a ride." Well... these campaigns certainly will.

[@timothyapplegate2881]

The Peachy Printer campaign told people they were scammed through a Call of Duty trailer? Man, that's cold...

[@Jayzgame]

I really want a Kickscammers type tv show where they track these people down afterwards

[@manbum9842]

I just got a KZbin ad for a 2TB SSD just after that part of the video

[@Sevenigma777]

7:40 is that a typo $651.91 from Almost 4500 backers? What they contribute a handful of pennies each? Lol

[@adamfrazer5150]

@16:00 big shout out to Dan for the Warcraft II music 👌

[@solonsaturngaming3727]

The peachy guy looks like he did a line of coke lol

[@giga9955]

Homebrew Gaming Have no idea what kind of gear you’re doing, but he absolutely doesn’t

[@sandalf647]

What is the music at 12:56?

[@DeaDBeaT187]

What I'm learning is if you ever need alot of money and want to steal it from hundreds of people with no consequences Kickstarter is the way to go...

[@slopesgameroom]

BINGO!

[@connerpearson3511]

1:50 just backed it a bout an hour ago, can't wait to watch it.

[@UnwellGaming]

Do a video where u include RAW the game. "Kickstarter canceled the campaign for MMORPG RAW just a day before it funded"

[@jonatanpinaenriquez5756]

I like your accent. As a bilingual I find easier to understand that most of english speaking people

[@michaelwhite5641]

Sea Of Thieves music at the start!

[@slopesgameroom]

see what i did?

[@michaelwhite5641]

@@slopesgameroom Sneaky Daniel!

[@TheKraig]

Anyone know the song at @13:00? So familiar...

[@Sega_Ages]

6:40 !!!!! Horizon chase turbo! Incredible game!

[@slopesgameroom]

Very well spotted mate

[@yoda908]

If you look closely enough you can see that both Dave and his partner were reading a script on the laptop. That interview was a cover up to them both scamming people. The laptop is setup to how both people can see it.

[@revaryk6868]

17:36 Interesting place to put a small reference to Radiant Silvergun.

[@dancarter5775]

Slope, great video. I love how the moral of most of your videos is, "don't trust Canadians".

[@dunkinnatalie]

That guy made a McMansion? It looks terrible.

[@Leeqzombie]

Even if you stuck four 256GB SD cards on an adapter in a box, it still wouldn't be that cheap. I'd hope the people coming across ads for cheap portable storage would at least have an idea of how much an SD card or USB stick cost.

[@gingergreek]

What's the song playing in the background around 13 minutes onwards? It's bugging cos I know it but can't remember the name.

[@kawaiimercenary]

It's apparently Golden Axe music.

[@writheagainsoon]

I am genuinely astonished that house has not been egged to shit. Hell I’m not even a backer and I want to fly to Canada just to egg the thing myself!!

[@BlameItOnYourFriend]

how is the dude that used the money to buy a house not in jail and how could his business partner just sit next to the guy as he tells him what he did and not kill the man? I don't understand how that story was not illegal in every way.

[@Mgalens]

Hearing sonic 06 mentioned as a point of comparison.... thats a game which sticks with you for life.

[@afarewelltokings]

another stolen campaign is the video game for Homestuck, Hiveswap. it raised over $1m on Kickstarter and almost all the money was stolen and put towards the development of the 2015 King's Quest game

[@afarewelltokings]

it was released but not nearly as big as they had originally planned, and not similar to what they originally planned if memory serves me right

[@bigmackandfrys7723]

12:55 golden axe im 80% sure the music is golden axe camp

[@ChrisRX13]

What's the music at 12:56? I can't remember where it's from

[@iaincowell9747]

Golden Axe

[@ChrisRX13]

Ah yes of course. Where you kick the gnomes. Thanks!

[@Devil0rdante]

Is this video a re-upload? I remember having watched this before quite clearly.

[@allensmith8237]

i've only pleadged to 2 kickstarter campains; wisdom tree arkade and retro fighters brawlers N64 controllers. and yes i had done my research on both companies. am happy with results on both.

[@tomg5187]

13:08 this is one for Fredrick Knudsen 😱

[@ffejpsycho]

I attempted every permutation of the peachyprinter self-build instructions.... to zero success. I am nearly convinced that something fishy may be occurring here...

[@benderbender-ij7ld]

"Any other ideas?" BURN THE MOTHERFUCKING HOUSE DOWN! Seriously, how the fuck was he supposedly going to replace 300 grand after blowing it all on that gigantic house that no one who doesn't breed like an insect would ever need?

[@koketsok1513]

I guess it was not a easy peachy,looks like the only way people are destroying that house is in sims/animal crossing. That story was the psychical incarnation of financial 4d gymnastics.

[@ZeraStargazer]

Love the Streets of Rage 2 music at the end, where'd you find those versions?

[@slopesgameroom]

They are from the streets of rage remake ost

[@ZeraStargazer]

@@slopesgameroom Awesome, thanks!

[@UserUser-oy8ch]

the fact that he found out waaaay b4 and giving cockknock there the chance to pay it back means he is culpable too cuz he hid it from backers also