Bill Nye VS Ken Ham: A Full Commentary

[@KingCrocoduck]

Hello. I would really like Mr. Ham to turn his attention to this video, so if you would be so kind as to like the video, you can help make this happen. If you're feeling particularly proactive, sharing and favoriting this video will also be enormously helpful. A lot of work and effort went into this project, so I'd really appreciate it. Thanks and I hope you enjoy.

[@derek24hudson]

Great, detailed response to the nonsense spouted by Ham and his cronies. Congratulations, and thanks for what you do,

[@1991stratplus]

Your hard work on this is commendable, Thanks for this King. :)x

[@obscureinception8302]

*"I want you to know that I support your project in full; just as the pyramids of Giza stand as a reminder of the long-abandoned beliefs of an ancient and primitive people, so too will your facility stand as a lasting reminder to future generations of the depths of stupidity and arrogance that their ancestors had sunk to."* So true. Being able to laugh at the ridiculous beliefs of the past helps people to see how modern society has advanced. We can only hope that "Ken Ham's model" is unanimously seen as the tripe that it is sooner rather than later.

[@darthmaulization]

James Brown I found this video on Ham's page. however it was only there for 2 hours before one of the moderators makred it as spam and banned the user that posted it. they define every opposing view as "hate speech" and their policy states that if one visits the page or "likes" it then he must be of equal opinion to Ham.

[@MilitantAntiTheist]

He'll turn his attention to this video by filing a false DMCA.

[@armouredskeptic]

I have watched this several times now. You do good work, King Crocoduck!

[@TetsuRiken]

Armoured Skeptic may i receive some help? i

[@bobcabbit6343]

Armoured Skeptic I can't believe this doesn't have a single comment after 4 years? Love you armored skeptic. Especially since you help create Harold Penisman.

[@whitegoose2017]

When I saw those children being indoctrinated by Ken Ham I felt awe and horror at the same time. The sophistication of that, but also when taking into account the mind of a child.. you can easily dazzle a child and expand her imagination that way, but this.. No, what Ham is proposing is limitation according to ideology/religion.

[@justsam7919]

@Armoured Skeptic history is a lie because none of us were there to witness it

[@petermetcalfe6722]

@@justsam7919 Mistaken possibly, but not a lie.

[@ThatxOtherxDude]

We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology. Carl Sagan

[@ryanlarkin2333]

Sagan!

[@MrJoeyWheeler]

adding to this, "'Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that" George Carlin.

[@MexiSword]

That Other Dude "God is a comedian in front of an audience who is scard to laugh."

[@stefantherainbowphoenix]

"In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion." "The major religions on the Earth contradict each other left and right. You can't all be correct. And what if all of you are wrong? It's a possibility, you know. You must care about the truth, right? Well, the way to winnow through all the differing contentions is to be skeptical. I'm not any more skeptical about your religious beliefs than I am about every new scientific idea I hear about. But in my line of work, they're called hypotheses, not inspiration and not revelation." "At the extremes it is difficult to distinguish pseudoscience from rigid, doctrinaire religion." www.thoughtco.com/carl-sagan-quotes-4072032

[@tnekkc]

My neighbor, a physics PhD working at Bell Labs, encountered Sagan at a symposium. Carl said that a single hydrogen bomb test would bring on nuke winter. My neighbor called him out for back of an envelope, unverified climate calculation. He is 88 now. Sagan was a showman.

[@origamiswami6272]

Ken Ham: These naturalists are trying to impose their religion on our kids! How dare they! 5 minutes later Ken Ham: We should teach children that God died on a cross for them.

[@TheLivingDinosaur]

This was simply magnificent, KC. Very well done, and thank you for the gargantuan amount of effort expended in creating it.

[@KingCrocoduck]

Thanks TLD. Some measure of credit has to be afforded to you too though, as your videos on Ham were very influential to several of my segments. I eagerly await HH 39 whenever it comes out.

[@1991stratplus]

King Crocoduck Take a look at this video, it is most excellent, simple to the point about the KCA.

[@CaptIronfoundersson]

***** He discontinued the series, I think

[@servals2384]

Gargantuan. Now that's a word I haven't heard in a very, very long time. By the way: I just noticed your icon/ user name. If you meant to express the modern bird's relation to their dinosaurian ancestors, then kudos to you.

[@williambarnes5023]

Servals The relationship is that all birds living today are currently still dinosaurs. :D

[@vendettaAOF]

I had a co-worker that recently left walk up to me the other day.. Handing me a gift she says "I know you love science and all, so I thought I would give you this." Well, I already knew what it was before I tore the gift wrap open... It was a grand dvd set in five disks titles "Science Proves the Bible." I made it about 18 minutes into the first disk when I had to just shut it off due to the lunacy. At that point in this pastors presentation he had begun arguing about the fact of dinosaurs. Stating that they were really just fire breathing dragons, and that was the reason knights of old used pikes, and wore armor... Some people....

[@klopapierben]

smart. wearing metal armor and using a long pointy stick must just be the smartest and most effective way to fight a flying, firebreathing dragon.

[@BluePhoenix_]

@@klopapierben espacially, when some of them are said to breath fire so hot as to melt all metal. Not to forget... Pikes... Wood. XD

[@JuanMendoza-qd5lm]

Yeah im going to have to call a big steaming pile of fresh bs on that one. If there actually was a DVD series why wasnt the name of the documentary ever given? You Atheists are more gullible than any Christian could ever be considered. Scientifically illiterate sheep.

[@LisaAnn777]

A bit off topic but a movie that takes place in an alternate universe where large carnivorous dinosaurs actually survived and humans in the middle ages had to fight them would be very interesting. I'll bet castles 🏰 would be very effective against a tyrannosaurus Rex lol 😆 Actually it would make a good tv series too. Someone do this!

[@hectroinfectro]

Every time a glue eater responds to me with, "Were you there?" I say yes. When they say I couldn't have been there I say, "Where you there? You don't know if I was there. I was there, I would *know* if you were there." It tends to end with me laughing and them having a temper tantrum. I did get punched for it once, though. That sort of sucked. Totally worth it though.

[@zemineriver8043]

hectroinfectro woah, i thought the same exact thing XE

[@XavIsOnline]

That's a perfect answer.

[@JustinMoralesTheComposer]

One thing is for sure, the atoms that make both of your bodies were there...they've always been there - they just keep changing form.

[@jamescunningham4418]

GLUE EATER!! bwahahahahaa!!! that's the best!! I shall acquire that beautiful nugget...and put it in my quiver ... priceless!!!!

[@Somerandomnobodyonyoutube]

A thiest resorted to physicaly attacking you for besting them? Sounds about right

[@MikeBenko]

What mystifies me to this day is how Bill Nye managed to keep a straight face through that torture session. Also mystifies me how he didn't take out his belt and whipped Ham for all the obvious straight faced lies he spewed. One has to admire Nye's commitment to education.

[@MelkorHimself]

Well we all know what Bill Nye ate for dinner the following evening: smoked Ham.

[@billschlafly4107]

Fun Knee

[@anticorncob6]

Melkor I know this was three years ago but I gotta say, nice one!

[@PalmBalms]

how about some hamm hock

[@tommyodonovan3883]

That's not kosher

[@area85restorations75]

5 years later and I'm still having a laugh!! Good comment mate!!

[@benbisley]

A brilliant video. I have one question for Ken Ham: "when God dictated Genesis - were you there?"

[@svetievboris]

That is an excellent retort. We have a saying that goes something like "being hit with your own stone". It looses in the translation but this is a perfect example of it.

[@benbisley]

Much regarded. Maybe one day we'll have a beer together.

[@svetievboris]

Would be looking forward to it 😊

[@ohhahhcantona]

benbisley You won't, because all you're doing is sending each other code through a cable. All your "beer date" stuff is just so you can gang up and bash the funny little God people. It's a little bit weird guys, you come across like little two year old toddlers. Right, now you have been properly chastised, I'll show you what friendship really is. The Bible, as NO world view has been proven, is potentially the word of God. Given that fact, wouldn't it be worth investigating, just in case. I know, if you gave it an academic eye, if nothing else you would find it fascinating. In terms of fulfilled prophesy, moralistic tenet and historical accuracy, it's a great read. And as a sidenote, it will save your life. I'm telling you this because as a Christian I love and care for you and time is running out. God bless you man.

[@svetievboris]

FUTURE PHILOSOPHY I am sorry but the answers to most of your questions is NO. Let's take it in order: Potential word of God - no b/c an omnipotent, omniscient being cannot exist b/c of the omnipotence paradox and the impossibility of there existing a solution to Turing's Halting problem (look them up) so at best if the bible is really dictated by God then he is lying b/c he cannot really be omnipotent or omniscient. Fulfilled prophecy - please what evidence have you of that? There is more evidence of the Loch Ness monster than of any prophecy fulfilled in the bible. Moralistic tenet - do you mean the cherry picked sections that we use as part of the vastly greater and superior secular moral code where we don't send people to hell for working on the sabbath or wearing clothes of two types of linen, or burn witches at the stake or hold inquisitions, or going to a holy crusade war.... the list goes on.... it is however an interesting historical study or the evolution of moral code to present day. Historical accuracy - don't make me laugh. For a historical use see the note above this one about the evolution of moral code. The only value the bible has is as an excellent prosaic/poetic work of fiction and preservation of folklore myths and legends just as Greek, German, Hindu etc. mythology. That makes for a fascinating read. Scientifically there is nothing accurate in it so there is no practical value in it. Most of this goes for the quran as well. As a side note, my life does not need saving so I kindly say no to that heartfelt offer. I would however invite you to our beer date so we can continue our discussions in person. Cheers

[@ToastyMcGrath]

Man, that video of Ham indoctrinating those poor children never fails to creep the the shit out of me.

[@a.j8307]

These are the same people who piss and moan about children being taught "evolutionism" in public schools and have the very balls to use the word indoctrination as a criticism of their opponents. Felons like Kent Hovind duck paying taxes for school lunches and football uniforms because of the science curriculum, and then he complains about "tax supported religion". Atheists in Kentucky paid tax dollars to fund the Ark Encounter, which is somehow a non profit and also a business. Meanwhile children (as young as 4-5) are taught in tax exempt churches to memorize unsubstantiated religious dogma, they drill homophobic and anti-women, anti-science beliefs into them, and they stunt their critical thinking. They then tell us to "teach both sides", while not even being able to define the word kind, without any consensus on the age of the Earth, while saying animals like lions, great white sharks and pirahnas were vegetarians. How do you teach that? There's a movement to have Evo taught as early as 4th Grade, and I support it because these children need to be taught the truth before the church rots their brains. Fuck Ken Ham, and fuck his whiny persecution complex. His museum, his theme park, his payroll of scientists, his flock of braindead sheep and all of his money didn't help him win this debate. He lost in an ugly way, coming off as a confused, uneducated, bitter, homophobic "bloke" who looks miserable when with home field advantage.

[@Somerandomnobodyonyoutube]

Bullying and basic fear tactics only work on children

[@gocevoyevoda8847]

What about when Bill Lye indoctrines them, how does that make you feel?

[@valroniclehre193]

@@gocevoyevoda8847 He doesn't have to indicate them. They are obviously there. If you mean indoctrinate, the term doesn't really apply to systems of thinking that are plastic to new information.

[@gocevoyevoda8847]

@@valroniclehre193 thank you! I meant indoctrinate

[@S_Winegar]

How to counter Ken Spam "Were you there?" Yes, in fact, I was. "No you weren't!" Yes I was, but I didn't see you there.

[@EvilBreeBunny]

So lie?

[@KlaxontheImpailr]

Br ee ham lies all the time, so maybe fight fire with fire?

[@KlaxontheImpailr]

Genius

[@minculaurian9720]

Yes. Lie. Use his style against his stance until he is forced to either accept the power of deduction or at least give up his bullshit "were you there" nonsense

[@levihuttner3260]

I love the nickname Ken Spam

[@RedditAddict99]

"some people believe that there was a global flood on Mars, yet there's no liquid water on Mars" a year later: SCIENCE BITCH

[@TheGlobalAtheism]

Ham lost the debate before it started. Creationism can't predict the future and doesn't explain the past. I don't even think I could create a worse model that fails at both...

[@nodnal1313]

Ken ham said if he were shown proof against his ideas he would still believe in his BS. Pointless in every way to even try to debate this person.

[@wispa1a]

Yes for spectators to see how dumb he is.

[@justsam7919]

The worst part is that the proof against his stance is literally everywhere in the universe. In order to convince ken ham of anything we would need a time machine, which at this point is impossible to build one for him and his special units.

[@jeffhough7460]

They do it hoping to show truth and reason to the gullible and mislead

[@ea-tr1jh]

The only way to convince him is demonstrating that Genesis, when stripped of modern western philosophical and cultural assumptions and left bare to its ancient middle eastern philosophy and culture, comments on nothing or implies nothing regarding a young earth or direct creation as opposed to evolution.

[@Marius.82.]

Ateist Peter Atkkins vs Hugh Ross on Unbealiveble TV show has said the same. Peter Attkins said that if God will reveal Himself ti him he will put this to madness. So?

[@BlackEpyon]

Dear Ken Ham, You weren't there either! Meaning that both of us are left with only one method to observe the past: science...... But you aren't using science, are you? Religious apologetics make my head hurt.

[@mentality-monster]

1. Create a fake science centre. 2. Wave hands and ramble on about holy book. 3. 4. 5. Profit

[@joshfish2]

Moriari Besser except if you knew Jack shit, the definition of religion is the belief in the spiritual or a god or gods. The vast majority of science today is secular and does not believe in this at all, therefore, not a religion whether you like it or not Plus your assumption is that science has no basis just because it doesn't believe in god. Wrong, it has a basis in observations and experiments tracing back our past through observation of how fossils changed, looking at the universe through a telescope, stratigraphy and chemical analysis of rocks in geology to determine what happened in each geological event. It might be proven wrong in future, but science is not immune to change Religion in the other hand, doesn't change with its science of god, and Ken ham ONLY seems to use the Bible here, which doesn't even proove if it was written by this god you believe in it not

[@toalutoriangaming]

Andrew Shaw they were making fun of ken ham, not justifying him.

[@robertt9342]

BlackEpyon . I think the problem is that Ham doesn't present any evidence aside from the bible to show that creationism is a viable explanation. The best he could do is point at some unexplained examples saying that science is wrong because it hasn't been explained.

[@stefantherainbowphoenix]

Moriari Besser 😂😂😂😂😂

[@CJCroen1393]

"Most bears are primarily vegetarian," said no salmon ever. Also fruit bats most certainly do NOT look like "savage little creatures". They look like flying puppies (hence why they're sometimes called "flying foxes") who like to climb trees, make squeaking noises and cuddle.

[@CJCroen1393]

Cherubim Church Thanks for calling an Autistic person "retarded". That will make your argument more weighty. That first fruit bat image is clearly one that's been agitated and bats don't typically look like that all the time. Also, I don't think that bat looks in any way "scary" or "savage". It looks more like it's trying to scare away a predator. As for the second image...what point are trying to make? That it looks scary or not-cute? Because I disagree on both points. The second picture may not look cuddly, but it's certainly not scary. As for the comment about salmon/fat, this doesn't change the fact that bears gladly eat meat. I will concede that they eat plant matter perhaps moreso, but other than pandas (pure herbivore) and polar bears (pure carnivore), bears still require meat for not just fat, but also protein. My main question is are you siding with Ken Ham here, or just trying to argue with me?

[@SonoftheLivingGod7]

CJCroen1393 I am siding with truth, so that would be Ken Ham. Bears eat what is necessary to survive, that doesn't mean they wouldn't only eat a plant based diet if they could get all the calories, but good luck in this fallen world. Hard to grow plants, and the salmon alone prove what Ken said.

[@SonoftheLivingGod7]

*Fact about black bears* "In the wild they eat a mostly 80% vegetarian diet" theblueridgehighlander.com/Black-Bears-of-the-Blue-Ridge-Smoky-Mountains/The-Characteristics-of-the-Black-Bear/ Ken Ham and I are right.

[@CJCroen1393]

Cherubim Church Seeing as you seriously think Ken Ham's side is the truth, I can see that nothing I say will convince you, just like Ham's statement of "nothing will change my mind, even if I'm proven wrong".

[@SonoftheLivingGod7]

CJCroen1393 That happens when you *know* God is real. It is a beautiful thing. You will be fooled, I promise. When what you think are aliens start showing up, which they already have, but when they introduce themselves you'll swallow it all. And then, you will be doomed forever, with no way out. Here's a gift; First of all, the beautiful and holy gospel; *The REAL GOSPEL!* www.cleargospel.org/the-gospel-english-cover/ Now here is the stuff that just might convince you God is real; *Islam is Satanic* i.imgur.com/l7OiQTs.jpg *Barack Obamas name in Hebrew, found in the Bible.* i.imgur.com/pqbhGwn.png *CNN Believes in the Bible, Satan, Kabbalah etc.* i.imgur.com/hZBLeWO.png *Skull and Bones Yale society believes in the Bible.* 33.media.tumblr.com/3a37a90bff11fc18c7ec3bef07df29e6/tumblr_nlvm338Zof1uqezico1_540.gif *Heineken surely believes in Satan* www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/images/HeinekenLogo666.jpg *Taco Bell surely believes in Satan and the eye of the beast* illuminatisymbols.info/wp-content/themes/grido/themify/img.php?src=illuminatisymbols.info/wp-content/uploads/illuminati-symbols-taco-bell-eye.jpg&w=670&h=&zc=1 *Dollar Bill has "alien" face on it too, which is actually a demon / nephilim.* choualbox.com/Img/138425658580.jpg *The Pope, the most powerful man on earth, pretends to be a Christian but in secret worships the dragon, serpent, Satan* s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e7/1e/80/e71e8020d265eb3f5d12c774d8f3ea5d.jpg *Undeniable PROOF the Catholics and the Jews worship Satan!* i.imgur.com/YBYLYJP.jpg *The planet saturn with it's one RING has a hexagon on it* upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/PIA18274-Saturn-NorthPolarHexagon-Cassini-20140402.jpg A hexagon becomes a cube in 3D space right? Saturn... Satan. One ring (the one ring of sauron, the one eye, I mean where did you really think tolkien got his stories from?) So what is an open cube? Oh yeah, a cross right? So Jesus Christ gave us a way to escape the cube, which is Satan. *Here's the Pope wearing his red SATURN hat* www.yahuahreigns.com/images/saturn-hat1.jpg *Greek god Zeus hides "alien" face, which is actually a demon face. Which you have been taught is how aliens look like, which is the big deception, so you'll accept these things from "other" worlds and then you're fucked forever.* 36.media.tumblr.com/45c7f4c302545ea962ffd1e9590bcfae/tumblr_nox9t8294R1uqezico1_1280.png *Apple the computer company believes in nephilim (demons). And what did Adam and Eve eat again to fall...?* www.truthcontrol.com/files/truthcontrol/images/Apple%20Alien.png *The Bible names of people in chronological order gives you THE message of God* 41.media.tumblr.com/1d69eb755168784c20afb1f47ba93aad/tumblr_nowtktk7E81uqezico1_1280.png *CERN logo is 666, and if you type "ipetgoat" in google maps it takes you to CERN. Oh and they have Shiva the destroyer (Satan) in their courtyard, coming through a portal.* twclark66.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/shiva-and-cern1.jpg *Google 666 logo.* 4.bp.blogspot.com/-RSkVXLIZHbY/UHxkrLTKxeI/AAAAAAAAKyM/B4zCXEtkgyk/s1600/hidden-666-logos-mark-of-the-beast-chip-obama-.jpg *Monster energy drink has 666 as it's logo. (Unleash the beast) ;)* www.unexplainable.net/brainbox/uploads/2/monster666.jpg *United Nations* www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/666_united_nations.jpg *Inauguration of the president logo* i.imgur.com/C9ceCVK.jpg *Where did Miley Cyrus get her one eye closed, tongue sticking out look?* i.imgur.com/Nznh9fm.jpg *101 scientific facts found in the Bible way before science had any idea about it.* www.eternal-productions.org/101science.html Source for most of this: *kzbin.info*

[@vorpalcheese]

Thanks for compiling this, my head was exploding as the debate unfolded not being able to fully refute what Ham was saying. Nye did a good job refuting him but to fully explain why Ham is wrong would have taken much more time and a lot of prepared responses that couldn't happen in the debate setting. Well done.

[@jonneexplorer]

One note... Columbus was deservedly laughed at, he was not arguing the world was round since this was a widely accepted truth at this point. The shape and size of the earth was known all the way back in 240 BC when Eratosthenes calculated it within a few percentage points. This fact was known in Columbus day. All he did was argue that it was in fact smaller than the calculations, and as such it should be possible to reach India with the supplies a ship could take.... He was wrong, and would have died along the way had the new world not been there...

[@pyrespirit]

Ken Ham keeps going on about the laws of logic "requiring god." It's trivially easy to demonstrate that the laws of logic are necessarily true because they cannot not be true. The law of identity - A is A - must be true. Because for it to not be true and A to not be A, you have to first be able to describe what A is in order to say that it's not itself, and at that point you've demonstrated A to be A. In order for the law of identity to be false, it has to be true. Since in order for it to be true, it has to be true, and in order for it to be false, it has to be true - it is true. It requires nothing beyond that. The law of non-contradiction becomes true because of the law of identity. Nothing can both be and not-be. Since we've already established what something is by the Law of Identity, we've been able to determine what it's not - because it's not everything that isn't what it is, and thus the law of non-contradiction is true because the law of identity is true. These two laws give rise to the third law of logic - the law of the excluded middle. For any proposition, that proposition is either true or its negation is true. Something cannot be both true and not-true at the same time, thanks to the law of non-contradiction - it cannot hold two incompatible characteristics. None of these require god in any way. They're simply descriptive definitions of the nature of reality.

[@TheBastius]

Exactly. I couldn't have explained it better.

[@stephblackcat]

While all true and well put Ham is arguing that from where he stands if there is no god there is no one you can trust to make things stay the same. Doesn't make much sense but remember ignorance and good-feels are the grasses of his particular flock.

[@stephblackcat]

Chad Kalinowski The very most annoying thing about it is that he claims that if there is no god there is no guarantee that the natural laws of logic could be in flux. But then reasons that you can't know the past through observation which could only be true if the laws HAD changed.

[@tacobell222122]

The only problem is that due to quantum mechanics logic doesn't really always apply. A can be not A while still being A. Particles can exist in multiple places at once and instantaneously move from one location to another via quantum tunneling. These don't really make sense from the standpoint of logic. In a sense the only things that are wholly true are invented concepts that are intrinsic in nature such as mathematics. Also another issue with what you say the is "third law of logic" as you call it. This creates a false dichotomy in some instances. The main issue is that if the premises are false the followup is not necessarily true or false. The best example for this would be the Kalam Cosmological argument which for many reasons its attempt at logic falls flat: particularly it's initial premises.

[@pyrespirit]

tacobell222122 You're incorrect regarding the laws of logic and quantum mechanics. An electron is always an electron, even if you cannot know both its momentum and position to the same degree of accuracy at the same time. Kalam doesn't follow the law of the excluded middle. The law of the excluded middle does not create false dichotomies, it *is* a true dichotomy. Something cannot be anywhere between what it is and what it's not at any given time. Things can transform between different things, but they have instantaneous properties of one thing at a time. To use QM as an example, quarks have a property called Color Charge - they're either red, blue, green, antired, antiblue or antigreen. They're never, for example, red and antired at the same time. They're red up until the point they're no longer red and become antired, then they're not red anymore but are antired.

[@nfal445]

The portion of the video when Ken Ham was indoctrinating kids gave me an unsettling feeling.

[@archangel3561]

on the plus side, I've been in a church before where they try to drill things like that into you... really didn't last or work on me.

[@GododAllMadness]

arch angel I was too, Babtized and everything. Thats ok though. They can have the children that don't ask questions or challenge their beliefs due to lack of evidence like I did. I have a feeling they wouldn't be very good athiests either.

[@squidpizza6320]

It was creepy enough without the music.

[@a.j8307]

@@archangel3561 not everyone's like that though

[@HarryNicNicholas]

dawkins was debating cardinal pell the day before cardinal pell was arrested and later convicted of child molesting, i'll leave it at that.

[@harrybodley-scott]

im a philosophy student.. and a lot of my lectures are nowhere near as cogent, edifying, or as elegantly intelligible as this. Fantastic job bro, I'm a fan :)

[@lavenderelephant234]

I'll admit that I did chuckle at the "there is a book" line.....the first time. If he'd let it go at that, it would have just been a brief moment of good-natured ribbing. After repeated uses, it just illustrated that he doesn't have any actual answers

[@imagomonkei]

Recent former YEC here. You talk about Bill Nye's childlike excitement for science versus Ken Ham's cold and cynical approach. When I gave up all that nonsense, I felt a lightness and an excitement to learn that I haven't felt since childhood. Just the thought that birds are dinosaurs awakened a joy I don't remember feeling before. I used to be so cynical. I chose my college and degree based on their support of AiG. When I transferred to a state school, I had to take a geology class and ended up doing twice the work-first doing what the professor expected, and following it up with my conscientious objection explaining the biblical truth, god damnit! My poor professor was so generous to ignore the creationist mumbo-jumbo from some punk millennial POS who thought he knew better than the scientists. If I remembered his name, I'd email him an apology.

[@EdwardHowton]

One man built airplanes and taught kids how to do experiments. One man built a theme park and taught kids to shut people up if they tried to teach them how to do experiments. One man, when asked what would change his mind, said that nothing would change his mind because it's your mind that has to change. One man, when asked what would change his mind, said evidence. One man presented a case for his side. One man said murders are impossible to prove unless there's a perfectly trustworthy witness. Pick the better man. If you think the ignorance-promoting child abusing self-important idiot who doesn't understand forensics is the better man because he believes in a jewish zombie's magical powers, *_you need a better definition for the word 'better'_* and there is nothing left to say to you.

[@vampyricon7026]

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[@ParanormalEncyclopedia]

I find your characterization of the ark park as a amusement park offensive... amusement parks are fun

[@MicDread]

EdwardHowton , bill nye took less than 2 years of schooling , to get a job. Do you really think he built airplanes? Captain Kangaroo had a TV show teaching kids. Should I listen to him about the environment? There are over 20 real studies that you need to even intelligently explain the environment. Nye has zero of them.

[@ParanormalEncyclopedia]

How about the thousands of other scientists who agree with him? Here's a better idea: look at the studies instead of listening to talking heads. There are many more then 20 studies supporting Nye's claims either on Evolution or global warming. That a handful of coproartions (in the case of global warming) or relgiious extremists (in the case of Young Earth) BOUGHT a couple "experts" doesn't ammount to much.

[@t3hsilarn]

@@MicDread Source? He attended the Sibley School of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering at Cornell University for 4 years to earn his BS, based on his own biography. Do you have evidence to refute that? So yes, it makes quite a bit of sense that he'd go on to design airplane components for the next 9 years.

[@CynicalSkeptic1]

Ken Ham at 2:06:50 mark: "Well...I've been emphasizing all night, you cannot ever prove...using the scientific method in the present..." He may as well have said "No matter what contradictory evidence that is available now or may be discovered in the future...my beliefs are still correct. My mind is completely closed and I refer you to my ancient book of talking animals/foliage and magic zombies."

[@MexiSword]

CynicalSkeptic1 Gotta love the difference. Ken Ham: Nope, the bible is never flawed and will always be right. Bill Nye: Show us where ancient humans have historic records of them riding dinosaurs, then we would make new theory on the new discovery.

[@theblackprinceofnyc]

This video DESERVES a thumbs up. Share it with your friends and family. Share it with anyone who wants an in depth analysis of this debate. Send it to EVERYONE!

[@donathartyan2566]

Principe Negrô I would, but no one else speaks english -.-

[@YamishiMizuandDracus]

Ken Ham is a SCIENCE teacher...? Am I the only one who finds this terrifying? Btw KC, awesome use of Dolan music.

[@lancemarchetti8673]

Hi Yamishi...'Science' ( means 'knowledge' - to 'know') Now can you tell me if this means knowlege of what is seen, or unseen? Please choose one... cheers and see you soon... :)

[@YamishiMizuandDracus]

Science isn't necessarily knowledge. Science is a process by which we come to understand our world, through testing, experimenting and repeating.

[@chadkalinowski7467]

I've recently noticed that almost all creationists are really bad at talking with their hands. Like ken ham, he flails his arms about when he's talking and it looks retarded. When he told bill nye "it's the only thing that makes logical sense!" he waves his hands out to the side and looks like a seal or walrus flapping around

[@Grey-Fox_94]

Lance Marchetti Your asking a false dichotomy question.

[@lancemarchetti8673]

I wouldn't say it's a false dichotomy question, because I have not loaded it with two opposing views in order to present a logical fallacy. The answer is that true empirical Science has no option but to embrace the unseen as reality. No-one can hold out in their hand...gravity, wind or a human thought , yet Science does not refute their existence. Yet when I express my belief in God...Science seems to challenge me.."show me evidence" ... so what now? I cannot use a logic that says " if you can't show me a thought by holding it out in your hand for me to see and touch, I must logically conclude that you have no mind."

[@robertcorbell1006]

Bill Nye the Science Guy!!! Vs. Ken Ham the Bullshit Man!!!

[@mrjtfang2]

...begin! (Epic rap battles reference)

[@takingupserpents632]

This is an absolute masterpiece! I really enjoy your work and I hope you continue with these sort of commentaries for a long time. Thank you sir!

[@plaguedoct0r]

You used beautiful art, strong, concise and rational arguments and a very well founded and balanced emotional base when approaching this discussion. This is a fantastic piece of mixed art and science, and everyone should sit down with a bag of popcorn, an open mind and watch this.

[@plaguedoct0r]

I would only say that I wish you would have mentioned that the light that travels to us from other suns/planets/etc are akin to reading a history book on the rules of the universe, and how they _absolutely have not_ changed over time.

[@CakeTastey]

Took me a couple (painful) days to get through this. Very good work, KC! I appreciate all the work and time this must have taken you and I'll certainly be referring some friends to this video in the near future!

[@aaronfarris6539]

"Creation Science" is based on the bible. The bible says bats are birds. And yet you will never hear a creationist calling a bat a bird. I wonder why?

[@louistournas120]

+Aaron Farris Here is another one Deuteronomy 14: "7 However, of those that chew the cud or that have a divided hoof you may not eat the camel, the rabbit or the hyrax. Although they chew the cud, they do not have a divided hoof; they are ceremonially unclean for you." Rabbits don't chew cud. People probably noticed that they move their mouth a lot and assumed they are chewing cud.

[@KrisMayeaux]

+Aaron Farris What is the scripture verse that says bats are considered birds in the Bible? But if so, what possible difference would that make? And a whale was also considered a fish in the Bible and so what? *There was a different classification system in effect*. That's all. There are many different ways to classify animals and the characteristic of flight is one and creatures that swim in the sea is another. And rabbits actually rechew their food by eating their excrement, so of course this is why they are in the same category as animals who chew the cud.

[@aaronfarris6539]

Kristen Michelle Leviticus 11:13-19 if you must know. And the point was that the bible isn't anything like science. For an all knowing god to let it be said in a book that he is supposed to have inspired that a mammal is a bird is pathetic for that all knowing being. There is no such thing as "creation science", there is only science. If you do not follow the evidence then what you are doing is not science. And "creation science" always states as its first premise that the bible is the literal, perfect, inerrant word of god. "Creation science" selects the evidence that may support its chosen presupposed answer and tries to invalidate or outright dismiss/ignore any evidence that suggests it may not be true. That is not science in any sense of the word.

[@KrisMayeaux]

+Aaron Farris You said: For an all knowing god to let it be said in a book that he is supposed to have inspired that a mammal is a bird is pathetic for that all knowing being. Aaron, I don't think you realize that God was not interested in the biological classification that we use in the 21st century. God used a different system, not classifying them as mammals, reptiles, bacteria etc, but the Bible classed the animal world differently - creeping things, flying animals, animals that swam under the sea. God never said that a whale was not a mammal. He didn't need to. Nobody used that system back then! LOL Do you see what I mean? God use a simplistic system of classification for the ancient times. It wasn't wrong at all -- it was just different. Actually there are different views but I think science should go where the evidence leads and not make any presuppositions at all. If all evidence points in one direction -- Go there. Don't circumvent to find another answer because it is not the one you wanted it to be. Agreed?

[@aaronfarris6539]

Kristen Michelle "not classifying them as mammals, reptiles, bacteria etc, but the Bible classed the animal world differently - creeping things, flying animals, animals that swam under the sea." That is my point, the level of care and knowledge shown by the bible does not reflect a perfect, all knowing, being. Instead it reflects the knowledge of the actual authors: ignorant superstitious iron age goat herders. So when "creation scientists" say that their presuppositions include that the bible is "inspired by" an all knowing being and filled with truth they are shooting themselves in the foot. "Don't circumvent to find another answer because it is not the one you wanted it to be. Agreed?" Agreed on this part.

[@krysher6]

2:12:38 Ken Ham, Literally is Literally defined as Literally, Literally. Stop playing word games.

[@ItsDomke]

He is standing there, wearing a suit made of multiple materials, trying to imply that we should take everything in the bible literally without actually saying it. He knows this is a HUGE contradiction and simply wants to work his way around it without addressing it.

[@XoXBremenDruid]

Wow, that destruction of Ken Ham's belief of the age of the earth based on radioactive decay was brilliant. Nice work!

[@travisfisher5719]

+Charles Dahill a three year old child would out debate Ken Spam any day

[@XoXBremenDruid]

Oh I agree, I have just never seen anyone actually do the math on non-constant radioactive decay models and their effect on the earth.

[@KrisMayeaux]

+Charles Dahill Even if Ken Ham is wrong on the age of the Earth, so what? He may or may not be because you have not heard his side of the story. However, did you know the Bible does not state specifically that the earth is young, but that Creation is young. Maybe 6,000, maybe 10,000, maybe 15,000 as there could be some discrepancies when people try to figure out genealogies and generations. Or maybe, as the Bible states, one day with the Lord is as 1000 years. So the days of Creation could be up to 6,000 years from start to finish. These are just some of the various views within Christianity. Other Christians believe that the universe and the earth are the age that scientists suggest, but that God used the methods of evolution to diversify the Earth. It doesn't really matter. What matters is accepting that there is a God, and he has given us his Son as the atonement for our moral law violations. We all know right from wrong; and we all are guilty of violating the moral law. We all need a Savior. That's my view and I believe in a young creation; not necessarily a young earth.

[@XoXBremenDruid]

Kristen Michelle The argument that you provide is different from what is presented in the video. The point is that Ken Ham's view about the Earth being only 6000 or so years old is incorrect, and it has been pointed out with multitudes of scientific evidence to back it up. So regardless of your personal views of a god, Ken Ham is still an idiot. I won't go too much into the whole deity argument, but I will say one thing. You say "we all need a savior". That would imply that I do as well. And I don't. I'm perfectly fine now without one (in fact I think I'm better off without the one the bible suggests, considering god's track record on how he treats his children).

[@MMMHOTCHEEZE]

+Charles Dahill I haven't gotten to that part of his "review" or whatever you want to call it. I'm assuming he debunks the little slide Ham shows of the wood and Basalt?

[@SuperZez]

"Over my dead body, Ham." ...Dude, I got chills from that. That was awesome.

[@russelld2925]

Me too. I love the passion for truth from KC.

[@TheCJHowes]

The time and effort that was put into this has to be applauded. It's because of people like you, KC, and the other YT debunkers like Baud Bits and Potholer54 that creationism will fall.

[@ppatrick1a1]

What I thought was the most compelling argument in the debate... Narrator: "What would change your mind?" Ken Ham: "Nothing" Bill Nye: "Evidence"

[@fcolli8889]

"Mr. Ham, what, if anything, would change your mind?" "What mind?"

[@marcpaul55]

At 1:01:49 to 1:02:15 it gave me chills. It made me understand more and more the importance of battling these creationists out of science.

[@1991stratplus]

Did you like the part of the debate when ken ham-head said that all animals were vegetarians before the fall, what a stinking ignorant colostomy bag Ken is.

[@Murphio25]

1991stratplus But oh, they have sharp teeth, that doesn't mean anything. Hmmm, a giant Tyrannosaurus with the skull size of a Slug-bug car full with razor teeth was vegetarian, the more ya know XD

[@1991stratplus]

***** Ya, those razor teeth are for eating carrots and leaves, grass, maybe even broccoli, go figure . So i guess cows should have razor sharp teeth according to Kunt....Urrr i mean Kent, oops again i mean ken Ham. I smell a turd.

[@Lomaxient]

The bullet points you used to sum up the word "theory" was excellent. A hypothesis that; 1) Makes successful predictions. 2) Can be independently verified or falsified. 3) Relies on no extraneous assumptions. That's such a beautifully concise definition. I like it, I like it a lot! This solves so many problems in the word game war.

[@KingCrocoduck]

Once again you commit your ignorance to public with brazen and bombastic confidence. To understand why what you said is full of crap, watch this video of mine from 16:00 - 25:00 Confronting Ray Comfort: Debunking "Evolution VS God"

[@Lomaxient]

Justus McNeal _"Post-diction is not the same as prediction, and people make many claims about what evolution has predicted."_ Oh I understand now. I can't believe I was so daft. I have to admit your argument is compelling. It's always good to be mentally stimulated by people of your caliber on KZbin. _"Also, evolution does rely on extraneous assumptions."_ Yes absolutely. Wow! I have to say I've just done a complete 180 on my worldview. _"Darwin's claims, which followed baseless science of the day, are the assumption built into every single thing discovered within a rock or even within DNA."_ It's so obvious when you think about it rationally isn't it. The true origin of man isn't gradual change of life forms over millions of years. What really happened is a 900 year old man built a magic boat & filled it with animals in an impossible giant flood which happened because the creator of the Universe got pissed off at the descendants of two people that were made out of dust & rib bones, & who spoke to a talking snake. This all happened 6 to 8 thousand years ago when giants roamed the Earth & dinosaurs ate vegetables. Soon the world will come to an end when seven headed dragons will attack all the sinners & suck them into an eternal pit of doom. Thanks for clearing that up!

[@MossyMozart]

Just to point out that Mr Crocoduck is not responding to @Lomaxient, but to a deleted post.

[@Sines314]

Everytime I hear "Observational Science vs. Historical Science" I hear "Stuff I can't deny, and stuff I can deny".

[@prototypep4]

***** That's the idea. Confuse people so they might take your side because you sound smart. It's like using big words to impress children. They might think you're smart yet you might actually be talking gibberish. It's dangerous.

[@Baud2Bits]

A Marathon that gave me a Snicker more than once. There was little of consequence in your commentary that I would question and much that gave me reason to expand my own research. I appreciate the effort you put in to this one.

[@KingCrocoduck]

Thanks Baud, glad to hear it. Though for the purpose of improving my future work, what things of little consequence that you'd question were you referring to?

[@Baud2Bits]

King Crocoduck You want me to watch it again??? The one thing that leaps to mind is religion holding us back scientifically for hundreds of years because of their dogmatic adherence to Aristotle. I am not in a position to take a position on this yet but I suspect that there are nuances which are ignored in repeating the blanket statement. I might be utterly incorrect and the statement valid. But it is an area I have not researched at any depth.

[@Lomaxient]

_"A Marathon that gave me a Snicker more than once."_ Chocolate bar puns FTW!

[@MaximusArurealius]

***** Religion invented science ya moron.

[@Lomaxient]

MaximusArurealius 12,000 views & only 7 followers. EPIC TROLL ALERT!!!

[@leonardofalaschini1782]

When Raymond Ramadian says the world was created in six 24-hours days it seems to be a a sitcom laughter in the background haha

[@dannytibi]

Isn't it odd that Ham criticizes the approach of observing the way natural laws work in the present and then extrapolating back in order to figure out what happened in the past, but also claims that the biblical worldview is the only one that can give an account for the existence and consistency of natural laws?

[@dannytibi]

Evolution is a part of science, that much is so undeniable that creationists even came up with the idea of micro-evolution so that they could acknowledge the evolutionary processes we observe today with having to extrapolate backwards. Anyway, the point I was making was that Ham cannot have it both ways, either the natural laws we observe are constant and reliable, and thus we can extrapolate backwards into the past to figure out what happened, or they are not. He can't simply reject the constancy of natural laws when it suits him, and then later claim that the biblical worldview is what gives us assurance of the constancy of natural laws. It's one or the other...

[@dannytibi]

That was supposed to be *without having to

[@DeathLordFhyeg]

Justus McNeal lol, having studied the biochemistry behind it I can tell you that evolution IS science. Too bad you most probably don't have an education in any scientific field to know what science even is xD

[@ThePolistiren]

Justus McNeal Say something other than empty assertions and ad hominems. By acting like an immature douchebag, you look like a troll.

[@DeathLordFhyeg]

lol, claiming that something isn't science, while you yourself know next to nothing about it and have no formal training in any sort of scientific field, let alone the topic at hand, IS making an argument.

[@FishHeadSalad]

I must admit, I have never sat through a KZbin video that was this long until now and it was well worth the time spent! This is an excellent production on all levels! Your dissection of Ham was sharp, deep, and thorough.

[@shiluc9134]

This video put me on the path to atheism and out of Christianity. I can't thank you enough for getting me out of that hole.

[@RockinAtheist]

Noah had to load SEVEN, not two, of every edible animal. Ken Ham didn't cut down so much as one tree. He used pre-cut timber and pre-formed timber. He used powerful industrial electric saws and other modern equipment. He employed hundreds of skilled volunteer workers. His ark thing is built on dry land, as far away from water as possible. He knows it would tip over and sink if ever it was launched. Ken Ham PROVED that it couldn't possibly be done with unskilled workers using primitive tools. Well done Ken - you should get a medal for obliterating the Biblical account of the great flood.

[@MossyMozart]

Additionally, it is NOT a freestanding "ark". It is about half a chunk of boatish-shaped building that is half building-shaped building. I recently saw a video that toured the outside of the building: it made the above obvious. Also, building codes required that they use steel and concrete in their "ark" where appropriate.

[@GeahkBurchill]

It was really interesting to see how these two men started at roughly the same level of energy and confidence but as the debate progressed, Nye got more energized and animated and Ham became more scattered, tired and enfeebled. Now, I don't know if either of the two men suffer from health problems or anything else that might leave Ham exhausted and Nye energized but it was interesting to watch.

[@MementoMortis21]

Don't you see? Nye made a pact with his dark lord for mastery over black magic; he was siphoning Ham's life force from him as the debate went on, to weaken him and make him look and seem less credible. How else can you explain that Nye "convinced" the majority of christian watchers into thinking he won the debate? Reasonable arguments? Bah! He cast a spell on the audience, that's why!

[@GeahkBurchill]

Naruto was never my series so I don't get the reference.

[@clemfandango6897]

when i was a christian i didn't want to watch this debate, bc i knew it would cause me to question my faith, wish i woulda watched it sooner.

[@MadScientist72]

Love your commentary on this debate. I find myself watching it over and over. Great stuff!

[@linkkicksu]

Creationists: "Scientists don't know what happened in the past, they can only guess and cast speculation" Also creationists: "It's a fact that god made the world and I don't need any proof or justification"

[@anneleppold8776]

This video was published a while ago, but I wanted to add something here: 22:50 - Not only does Ken Ham not understand the science isn't broken into historical vs. observational science (The only time I've ever heard historical science used in my studies was in reference to the scientists and scientific studies of the past. It is most definitely not the science of studying something that happened in the past; that's just not a thing.), but also he doesn't even know what a scientific law is and how we defined them. You don't "assume" the laws of the natural world. They aren't laws that we made up like, "Don't murder. You will go to jail if you murder people." The Laws of Nature or logic or natural uniformity aren't just made up out of thin air. Scientific laws aren't scientific theories either. A scientific law is the description of an observed phenomenon. It doesn't explain why the phenomenon exists or what causes it. The explanation of a phenomenon is called a scientific theory. A hypothesis, then, is a limited explanation of a phenomenon. Also many people think that if scientists find evidence that supports a hypothesis, the hypothesis is upgraded to a theory and if the theory if found to be correct, it is upgraded to a law. That is not how it works at all. In fact, facts, theories and laws - as well as hypotheses - are separate parts of the scientific method. Though they may evolve, they aren't upgraded to something else. Ken Ham has no understanding of science and the scientific process of learning and acquiring knowledge. He has no idea what he's talking about. King Crocoduck explains this part well, but, as a geologist, I feel personally insulted that he used my field of study to try to boost his idiotic claims that "historical" and observational science are two different things. So I wanted to say more in defense of geology. That textbook wasn't saying that "historical vs observational" bullshit that Ham is spewing, not at all; the authors were just trying to make a point that you have to understand how earthly processes work now in order to study how those processes acted upon the earth many, many years ago. For example, you can't dig up a sedimentary rock, look at the structures within it, and say how it was formed without knowing what causes those sed. structures to form in the first place. That's all it is. "Historical" and "observational" science are still the same science, same processes, same theories, etc. Geologic history isn't Ken Ham's moronic "historical science"; it's just the study of how the earth and parts of it formed since the earth came into existence, and how long it took to for those parts to forms. Just because he know the names of some rock layers in the Grand Canyon, it doesn't mean he knows anything about geology. Of course Ham doesn't see a 10 million year gap, because any good geologist knows that you can't always see unconformities. You have to age date the rock through various means, which I won't go into for the sake of comment length... Ham is either an idiot or lying.

[@josiahhanson1920]

Anne Leppold you're the prettiest geologist I've ever seen 😘

[@notachinesespy6156]

Ken Ham was like : WTF?!? HES USEING FACTS?!? THATS NOT IN THE RULES!

[@DunedinDino99]

A few examples of transitional fossils: Archaeothyris: A transition between early reptiles and mammals. It looks like a lizard but has a single temporal fenestra. Ambulocetus: A transition between land mammals and whales. It has teeth similar to those of early whales like Basilosaurus, but still has legs which were poorly suited for a fully terrestrial lifestyle, but suitable for a semi-aquatic lifestyle. It also had underwater adaptions such as whale-like periotic bones. Sphecomyrma: An early ant with wasp-like features. Odontochelys: An early turtle with only half a shell, and teeth in the mouth instead of a beak. Australopithecus: Contrary to creationist beliefs, this was not a knuckle-walking ape. An isolated foot bone found in 2011 indicated that it walked upright.

[@abcdefg10376]

Global Warming Skeptic The reason we know they are transitions, is because we can use comparative anatomy to see how they are related. The bones structures being compared, as well as taxonomy can give us a great picture of evolution in species.

[@abcdefg10376]

Global Warming Skeptic *facepalm* You are making no sense. -.-

[@MossyMozart]

I posit that we _Homo sapiens_ are also a transitional species - between the supposed _Homo heidelbergensis_ and what comes next ( _Homo spacetraveler? ).

[@73hhK41]

I would have appreciated this more if you also included parts of Bill Nye's response, perhaps with commentary on that.

[@FMAxBrotherhoodXx]

1:12:18 Potholer54 reference. Both of you folks are brilliant.

[@vampyricon7026]

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[@mordirit8727]

1:51:34 is one of the most disgusting things I have every seen in my life. It made me feel so happy about my childhood; my father was a cook and partook in many projects for my parents church, he was constantly asked to provide food for such events and when my sister and I were old enough to start attending these we were expected to go to every one of those indoctrination routines for simplicity of our parents' sake, but after the first two we declared to be absolutely bored on the classes and that we were learning nothing new and only losing our time. It's frankly frightening to imagine what could have happened if we allowed ourselves to remain there long enough for it to take effect.

[@thoughtaddict2739]

It's possible to get out when you stay longer. I did.

[@dhruboroy]

Amazing video. As an avid follower of your channel, I have always admired the amount of research you put in all your videos. Being a grad student myself, I know how hard it is to meet your professional commitments and still find the time and effort to seek your passion. I think you have embarked on a crusade to educate the world, and we're all getting a bit wiser as we browse through the vast knowledge-mine and superlative intellectual fodder your videos provide. Keep up the good work! Best wishes from a fan.

[@mlighter67]

KC! Fantastic job reviewing the debate and kudos for all of the work and time that you must have spent on this. I think you did a great job presenting the science in a way that was still simple enough for the layperson to understand but complex enough to validate the decades of research behind the science. Top notch work!

[@levihuttner3260]

I think it's so great that this video appears in the recommended section when you pull up the original video of the debate, because I have to imagine that at least one person who was swayed by Ken Spam's argument decided to watch your video only to realize how utterly indefensible Ken Ham's position is and how logically unsound all of his arguments are.

[@thoughtaddict2739]

It did convince me two years ago. Though I never heard of Ken ham when I watched the video.

[@Hirome_Satou]

I can only imagine how many times you had to listen to Ham drone on about his lunatic ideas during the recording and editing of this video. For your hours of sacrifice on our behalf I thank you. Of course if I were Ham, I wouldn't believe you actually made this video, I hear your voice, but I didn't actually see you make the video, in fact, I don't even know if you are a real person, because I've never observed you. I've only seen historical science, your videos recorded from the past. I'm so glad the real world doesn't work the way Ham thinks it does, or at least the way he convinces his flock to believe.

[@chaz9808]

wow Ken talking to those kids creeps me out its like a cult.

[@jammapcb]

+chaz Davis its damn wrong to imply a conclusion... when they should have the right to think on their own when they are of a certain age!,,, being told X does not make it so!

[@TheKyrix82]

Technically, religions ARE a cult. It's just that some cults reach a point where they get a name upgrade to 'religion'

[@jammapcb]

TheKyrix82 im a jedi.... i signed up to 15000 votes in california.... its in law a religion lol .... politics me thinks!

[@SplinterForSale]

The comment about "Why couldn't Noah couldn't build a big boart? By the way, the chinese and agyptians built boats." he missed the point, hit and nearly killed me. How much headache can words induce?

[@AtheistRex]

In a word: Epic. This video had to be made. Thanks for your efforts. Excellently crafted.

[@KlaxontheImpailr]

I'm a Buddhist so clearly I can say I was there. On a side note, do you have any idea what it's like to be a horseshoe crab trying to rack up good karma when all you can do is scuttle around the ocean floor?

[@CrittingOut]

*scuttly horseshoe crab noises*

[@spaveevo]

Ken Ham seems to think we are stupid. 'If you didn't see it happen then we aren't smart enough to figure out what happened by looking at evidence.' historical vs observational science... that's what that means.

[@mikechen159]

it takes 31 years none stop to count to billion, and evolution knows what happen 13 billion years ago that makes sense just to count ice rings even.

[@Shaewaros]

Excellent science lecture by Bill Nye! I don't know why his lecture was periodically interrupted by that other guy though.

[@arnoutpriamos6330]

"they dont teach people that there is a difference between historical events and present events" "look at this science textbook in which they teach people the difference in dealing with the past and the present concerning geology" - Kent Ham , self-refuting 'scientist' since Jesus was a thing

[@thekbshouse]

I'd love to see another round of this debate , where they both have a look at each others power point presentations to rip them open to expose bullshit. I'm not terribly happy with this genre of debate that allows gish gallop. Also, Nye is god of patience. With the amount of joyful ignorance and the celebration of stupidity I would had to hold myself down from crying for the future of humanity or from slapping the stupidity out of Ham with a book. Where you there Ham? I was at the science class. I wasn't the best pupil or the most successful at tests, but at least I was there Ham.

[@hkkorly]

Out of all the science-focused channels on KZbin, yours is perhaps my favorite. It's easy to debunk most of Ken Ham's claims even with a cursory understanding of modern scientific theories - hell, even an afternoon or two on Wikipedia would be enough to learn why creationism is bullshit - but few channels rip through them with such depth and clarity, such as you did with Andrew Fabich's lies at 52:27. It is amazing that someone who supposedly has a PhD in microbiology would display such stunning ignorance (if not plain academic dishonesty) towards his own field of study. When I watch your videos, I feel inspired to start my own channel debunking anti-scientific creationist claims. I'm tired of seeing disinformation being spread about every level of modern science. Keep up the good work, please.

[@thriftstoredan5828]

I still rewatch this every now and then because KC's gift for articulation is just so satisfying to listen to...

[@Gossettc68]

Recorded in the book of Genesis? Who witnessed the 6 day creation? Who witnessed God making Adam? ( Kinda hard to " Observe " this stuff when there was no one around to record it.

[@agrid]

I think Ham reffers to God being the one who witness all that.

[@Gossettc68]

Pablo Rozzotto You think? Well that does not come close to answering my question.

[@Gossettc68]

You think God wrote the bible? Or man? Most theologians are convinced it was man. Your response would not hold up in any court of law.

[@agrid]

I am convinced it was a human invention. Even if it were true that God Inspire that BS, it is still man made, I mean, I had a girl friend, and she had inspired some poems (corny and stupid poems) but still, they are my poems, made by me, not by her, it is not her words per say. They are my words, my poems, I wrote them, inspired by her. But still mine. All I am saying is that I think Ham Refers to God as the witness who knows everything and because of that, the Bible is trustfull. But still the failure, in Ham's argument is that He was not there in the past, when, the Bible was inspired, so according to him, we cannot now if the bible is the word of God. As we were not there. But still the man who wrote any part of the bible is the witness of that his is writing about God, I mean he is the witness of God. But still as he was not there, he cannot know (according to his argument) if the bible was writen as a joke, as a delusion, as just someone creating a story. Or if it was made by a drunk guy or girl, or one guy, many guys, amy girls etc, etc etc. Of course Ham will not go there as for he is a Dishonest MF. He cherry picks in order to create confusion, disinform, and with that cheats people into believing something senseless.. As many of the lies, King Crocoduck pointed out in this video.

[@moneymikz]

Eccleisates 3 19For the fate of the sons of men and the fate of beasts is the same. As one dies so dies the other; indeed, they all have the same breath and there is no advantage for man over beast, for all is vanity. 20All go to the same place. All came from the dust and all return to the dust.… The most truthful thing in the bible and it refutes the whole concept behind religion. Let go of Bronze Age Palestinian mythology, you'll be much happier people, I was

[@aiyakapteyaichimani5601]

That's my favourite verse, too. :-) Actually, Ecclesiastes 3:18-22. It's a breath of fresh air. But some creationists I've talked to said that I 'misinterpreted' the verse and in fact the whole book of Ecclesiastes. It doesn't say what that says it says, if that makes sense...

[@marindanielionita5670]

But Christians say that we live forever in hell or heaven

[@Erkelify]

Very professional and intellectual video. At first I felt like you were throwing up too many straw-man arguments, but that definitely was not the case. This video needs much more attention.

[@thejonner2036]

Ham has the demeanour of a man who has neither told a joke, understood one nor understood the purpose of one.

[@riparianlife97701]

When a natural history museum curator walks a group of people into an empty room and asks them to pretend the room is lined with fossils, religion and science will be on the same footing.

[@daverobson3084]

Ham is actually a brilliant debater. When you get to define your own terms however you like, you win all arguments.

[@DanQZ]

Too true

[@EdwardHowton]

That's like saying that you're a brilliant baseball player if you get to declare yourself the winner every time you miss the goddamn ball. Shit, I'm the best hockey player on the planet. I've never played the game in my life, therefore I win.

[@DanQZ]

EdwardHowton never try, never fail

[@cristianbacu4010]

Ken Ham, the only individual who will dispute his date of birth with his own mother: " How do you know?! Were you there?"

[@arcusaeterna6093]

i just want to note, that if i remember correctly, the silmarillion by J.R.R.Tolkien actually mentions nearly all the things Ken Ham says you can only find in the bible (2:24:15). J.R.R Tolkien also wrote the lord of the rings, and the silmarillion is an account of everything that happened before and during the lord of the rings and hobbit storylines). It starts off by telling you there is a god (Eru the one I believe) the origin of day and night even has a very good story behind it. It accounts for the creation of live and earth, it accounts for He wrote grammatical rules for the different languages, and the book has a very defined lineage of the main characters. It accounts for why we dont find the equivalent of demigods on earth, and where we go when we die. It explains where the elves went, it explains where evil went and came from. That and lots more. Heck, the story is also a lot better than from the bible ^.^ The point i want to make is, why believe the bible so literally, and not the silmarillion? Not hating on Christianity, some of my best friends are christian, but please dont take the book literally and apply circular reasoning as to why whats in the book is valid. There is nothing wrong with believing in something, as long as you do not impose it upon others (Critical thinking is not a belief, and i wish everyone was good at it) .According to that logic the only reason i shouldnt believe in a history according to the silmarillion is because it doesnt say we should. Sincerely, an atheist who respects religion, but sometimes gets annoyed

[@servals2384]

I almost feel bad for Ken Ham. He just made a fool out of himself and everyone saw it.

[@B0uff0s]

i;m not really sure he understands that unfortunately. coz obviously being a creationist automatically gives you unlimited understanding of biology, geology, physics and so on. i mean that;s common knowledge lol :)

[@TestMeatDollSteak]

Justus McNeal That's an interesting backwards interpretation of the debaters' performances, but hey, to each their own, I suppose. There is plenty of literature available on polystrate trees and fossils, so I don't know why you'd think that "there's no reason" that they should be found this way. Geologists have been addressing these sorts of finds for nearly two centuries. I take it that, in order for you to be so ignorant of the information is available to everyone, you must be limiting your "research" to that which is provided by young Earth creationist websites.

[@servals2384]

Justus McNeal That..... made absolutely no sense :/

[@willboucher9336]

hi His goal was all about grifting. This was merely a fundraiser financed by the gormless.

[@matthewweigel7856]

I don't understand how Bill Nye doesn't just simply shoot himself in the eye. Ken Ham is so freaking stupid. I would probably have a heart attack from releasing too much adrenaline from trying to get away from him.

[@fcolli8889]

Actually, I wish Mr. Nye had taken the time to ridicule some of the moronic things that can be found in the bible. Just open to any page, you'll find something.

[@DrumCoversandytps]

Bill Nye has said on many occasions that he agreed to the debate for the purposes of educating the youth that would hear him and not for Ken Ham and his adult followers who reject logic before it's presented.

[@fcolli8889]

I can't argue with that. I also realize that ridiculing the bible would have enabled Ham to play the victim, and of course the live audience was already sympathetic to him. But Ham's repeatedly saying "Uh, there is a book, you know . . . " was extremely irritating.

[@DrumCoversandytps]

Fred Collins There's an interview with Bill Nye and Bill Maher about this debate where he said the debate was very frustrating to get through. I personally thought it was like a PhD debating a stubborn 10 year old. Again though, if you watch in terms of Bill educating the youth in Kentucky he did a very good job and I applaud his bravery in accepting this debate for the greater good.

[@Ryusuta]

I think Ken Ham might be smarter than we think. I think he's good at pretending to believe his own bullshit but is really just running this whole angle as a money-making scheme to get a fuckton of cash from gullible twats.

[@blackfeathercrafts]

I still love the WTF look on Nye's face when Ham got into ice cores. Ham is such an idiot.

[@billnyekenhamdebate3553]

I fucking lost it at "Law and Order; Special Needs Unit" hahahaha

[@DocumentaryHub]

Bravo!

[@snickerdoodle7877]

"The biggest difference at the most fundamental level between the scientific model and the creationist model is the degree of error. It's a little wrong to say a tomato is a vegetable, but it's very wrong to say a tomato is a suspension bridge. Ken Ham's beliefs are akin to saying it's a spiral galaxy." The axe falls and the head rolls. Good show.

[@snickerdoodle7877]

Justus McNeal You must be new to this particular verbal battlefield, or at least this theatre of the war. If you can claim that evolution is not untouchable in certainty, you obviously have heard about zero arguments from the evolutionary side.

[@Novashadow115]

Snickerdoodle wow, in three years, you still havent gotten any smarter. damn, how sad

[@InfinityDz]

Feynman's words always kick ass

[@CRUSHFACTORPC]

"We are not worthy .. were not worthy " BUT I am glad you think we are AND I will keep watching and liking and sharing.

[@lanternofnonfaith5836]

If Ham had actually read that dog population diagram, then he would've realized the thing dealt with thousands of dogs, the pinching point is at 10,000 to 25,000 dogs. Also, if that pinching point proves Noah's flood, then what about the Golden Jackels to the side that saw no major change to their population?

[@EdwardHowton]

Well, see, your mistake is not listening to what Ham said. He was using the same evidence, just interpreting differently. Specifically, he was interpreting 10,000-25,000 as being "two pairs". Or "seven pairs". Because the bible is fucking inconsistent even so little as a single goddamn sentence after another. See? If you simply put on your biblical glasses, ten thousand means four! Or fourteen. Look, he's a creationist, you know they're shit at math.

[@Random1208]

Despite the overwhelming majority of observers finding Bill Nye the winner of this debate, Ken Ham still considered it a victory because it increased donations to his business. And donations to his business increased because all of his arguments in the debate were in English. That is, your argument can be technically correct, but the audience will reject it if it's in technobabble instead of English.

[@MagicTurtle643]

Wow. Incredible video. Extremely well researched and well spoken. What do those sports kids say? Game set match? Yeah. That ;) Debate over. :)

[@JonathanAcostaValverde]

Hi KC, I just wanted to take a few seconds to thank you for such a thorough and epic debunk of the nitwit Ken Ham, your in-depth research and care for details and debating every single weak point on Ham's case is just amazing. Thank you so much! :D

[@zach1313]

So basically Ken Ham's argument is, "You weren't there, therefore God." Really? This is the best Creationists have to offer?

[@skylarmontgomery3190]

If we went there to see the bible written how do we know it's real?

[@travisfisher5719]

Bruce Howlett lol! I love that, use that fucktard's words against those of his ilk. Damn it, why couldn't I come up with the phrase you just used. Oh well, I like it.

[@BrutakasTutorials]

I almost puked when I saw the clips of Ken Ham brainwashing those innocent children around 1:50:00. It was one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen in my entire life.

[@MrJoeyWheeler]

Having seen the debate, honestly I felt no need to listen to the commentary - it'd mean having to listen to Ham's drivel again. So I came here for the comments section. It's like an interactive safari down here! :D

[@Saylor3561]

Ham’s idea of poetry “No one who has been emasculated by crushing or cutting may enter the assembly of the Lord.” Deuteronomy 23:1

[@andresvanrompaey8277]

How can one be a decent astronomer and at the same moment be a young earth creationist???? How does he explain that we can observe stars and galaxies further away than 6000 lightyears? We wouldn't even be able to see the majority of our own galaxy if the universe was created just 6000 years ago, let alone the Andromeda galaxy.

[@kenhamforever3179]

hmm...maybe cuz God did it that way? If God put object X at 100,000 light years away from Earth, does that mean object X is at least 100,000 years old? Nope.

[@boul6373]

KenHamForever If God put an object 100,000 light years away and the universe is about 6000 years old we shouldn't be able to see it. The light from the object would take 100,000 years to reach us. Sorry buddy but creationism is nothing more then blind faith. Fortunately, more and more people are realizing it.

[@alexanderdeclercq982]

KenHamForever So how do you explain object X at 100,000 light years away from Earth can be seen then, if the universe is only 6000 years old? I would really like a verifiable explanation. Go ahead, you got the floor.

[@sarahbell180]

boul6373 ""But muh holy book!" - Young Earth Creationist" - CoolHardLogic

[@nontheistdavid]

I find it highly ironic and hilarious that he has actually disproved his own thesis by claiming that we cannot infer anything about the past. His bible was written in the past so he was not obviously there as was no human alive today so hence he cannot use his bible as "evidence".

[@thecynicalone7655]

*evidences

[@ThePi314Man]

As much as i hate the guy, Ken Ham does have some great genetics in the follicle department in regards to age.

[@ashleysilva7414]

This is why Bill Nye believes the way he does. Two of today's most popular scientists, Bill Nye and Neil deGrasse Tyson, each claim Sagan as their inspiration.  How would you like to have Carl Sagan as your astronomy professor? For Nye, this was reality. While Nye was studying at Cornell University in the late 70s, Sagan was his astronomy professor. Nye learned much about the universe from Sagan, saying that his lectures were like Cosmos episodes. At his 10-year class reunion in 1987, Nye told Sagan about his idea for a TV show that he wanted to gear towards children. Sagan advised him to “focus on pure science, kids resonate with pure science.” Bill Nye the Science Guy premiered in 1993, winning numerous accolades (including 19 Emmy awards) and inspiring a generation of future scientists. Nye later went on to be the CEO of The Planetary Society, an organization founded by Sagan. Now, Nye gets to continue part of Sagan’s legacy. If you grew up loving Bill Nye’s show, you owe much of that love to Carl Sagan.