THE Celestion VINTAGE 30 Masterclass! (with NOLLY GETGOOD)

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German producer Kristian Kohle (Aborted, Powerwolf, Hämatom, Van Canto, Eskimo Callboy, Sinister) meets producer Adam "Nolly" Getgood to talk about the most legendary guitar speaker, the Celestion Vintage 30.
Nolly has collected and studied over 80 single Vintage 30 speakers and knows sooo much about all the different versions and the history of that speaker, it was about time to get enlightened by him!
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THOMANN:
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SWEETWATER:
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[@Producelikeapro]

THE Best collaboration! Wow! Thanks ever so much for doing this Kristian!

[@KohleAudioKult]

You're more than welcome, my friend! But we're gotta thank Nolly here!

[@-........]

i want a heart as well

[@Producelikeapro]

@@KohleAudioKult Yes! Indeed

[@rgarcia4412]

What speakers for a 4x10 cab for a do it all sound would you choose?

[@JensenSpeakersVideos]

Ignazio here! Awesome video - As always... and Nolly KNOWS, a-freaking-lot of! V30 galore, haha! Three comments, one for fun, one for total nerdiness, and one for serious... - The fun one: my favorite V30 is an OEM version, taken from a mid '90s Groove Tubes Soul'O 75. Still have it, still love it! Sounds to me slightly more "classic" rock than the current ones. Maybe Nolly could share his thoughts about the V30s of those years? I'd love to hear his comments... - The nerdy one: Totally agree with the finding that the bottom speakers in a closed back 4x12 are influenced by the bouncing back of the waves from the back panel, returning and "disturbing" the "piston-like" behavior of the cone membrane. This generates BOTH comb filtering AND standing waves. This is common in all closed backs, while in ported and open backs it does not happen, or at least is much less evident, the more the speaker is open (i.e. there is less or no pressure inside the enclosure. - The "serious" comment: At 28:03 Nolly says the magic word: "inconsistency". There is simply NO way that the cellulose pulp of today is exactly the same used 30 years ago, or even 30 days ago, and yes, this is the single most important factor in a speaker's voice. The membrane manufacturers, they all go a long way in their quality control processes, BUT still, there will be variances. So when the speaker manufacturer receives the new shipment of membranes, he may or may not run some test, to select them and group them for similarity, a bit like what happens with tubes. Maybe some clients will require the strictest possible tolerance from the reference sample, while others may accept more variance. Maybe the same manufacturer needs a small percentage of their speakers being built with the strictest tolerance, for some clients. Clearly, any "off-line" testing and selection process, pre or post-manufacturing, costs time, human resources, and therefore has a cost... Just my 2-cents :)

[@tobins6800]

Is there a proper way to break in a speaker? A way to push it or them to the voice you have in mind?

[@JensenSpeakersVideos]

@@tobins6800 this is a key question, we get it every other day... I don't want to "steal the show" from Nolly, however, I think this is useful information. We (Jensen Speakers) do NOT recommend ANY procedure to speed up or force the break in process. At least, if you don't REALLY know what you're doing, and you haven't test equipment available to monitor the speaker status. And here's why: If you feed a speaker with a signal, be it a sweep or white noise or music, for a continued, uninterrupted amount of time, the speaker will move accordingly and will build up heat, even if the amplitude of the signal is relatively low. It will never have even a few fractions of a second to allow the voice coil to cool down. This is likely the most dangerous situation for a voice coil. Once overheated over a certain point, the damage done is just non-reversible. On the contrary, any style of guitar playing will allow some pauses in between one pick strum and the next one. Even some high gain palm-muted rhythm patterns will allow milliseconds of silence in between strokes. This reduces the heat build-up. Therefore, we recommend to PLAY the speaker. Let's say 30 hours to make it playable, and maybe the classic 100 hours to have it cooked right. You may want to record a loop of guitar playing, and send it to the amp, at a reasonable volume. You don't really need to blast it. Maybe face the cab against a wall or a closet, maybe cover the cab with blankets or anything that will reduce the volume in the room, to avoid being screamed to by the wife or the neighbors. Finally, in our experience, there is no way to "push a speaker to a specific voice". The speaker has its own voice. Breaking in will loosen the moving parts (surrounds, spider, membrane, etc.) allowing for a fatter, warmer, more organic bass and mid response. It will not really change the response on the treble range, but because of the improvement on bass and mids, the whole curve will sound naturally tilted in favor of a warmer, less aggressive tone. Hope this helps!

[@tobins6800]

@@JensenSpeakersVideos whoa. A ton of info, and a huge thank you for that information.

[@JensenSpeakersVideos]

@@tobins6800 My pleasure!!!

[@adamnollygetgood]

Hey Ignazio, awesome of you to step in! If your early 90s V30 is anything like the ones I've tried I'd definitely agree it's a more classic tone. To me they have a lot of the qualities that the Kurt Mueller coned black-back G12s of the late 70s are known for, with a brighter and more aggressive top end, and less mid. In fact I have a pair of '77 T1511 G12M25s (444 cone) that sound very much in the same family as the early 90s 16ohm V30s I have, just a bit higher in timbre and with more "fizz". Those early V30s (or more usually Marshall Vintage models) are very much responsible for the hard rock guitar tones of the late 80s/early 90s that are often attributed to "Greenbacks" or G12-65s - you can hear Bob Rock talk in several interviews about how he would always use V30s cabs back in those days. Additionally it's rumoured Slash's tone on Appetite for Destruction (and maybe others too?) was the product of that speaker too. Definitely a great sound and a long way away from the modern production V30 or indeed the much darker speakers that appeared in 2000 when the cone ribs became less sharp-edged and prominent so I would put a lot of confidence in the theory there was a change in the cone manufacturing procedure in the KM factory right around then. So glad you agree about the comb filtering/standing wave issue in straight cabs or bottom speakers of angled cabs. As you say, it's not present in open or ported cabs. Also smaller 2x12 and 1x12 cabs tend to suffer much less due to the increased relative stiffness of the smaller baffle dimensions. Agreed about consistency, and in fact I had intended to say in this interview that while the OEM Mesa Boogie V30s might share the same recipe as other UK-made V30s (and Chinese ones too barring the different glue used) it could well be there is simply a narrower tolerance in place for components in the Mesa speakers. Thanks so much for weighing in, it's great to be able to chat about this stuff with others in the know.

[@bbck15]

Nolly is always so pleasant to listen to.

[@CarcPazu]

Yeah he's so soft spoken, great pronunciation, lots of vocabulary. He sounds like a British gentlemen.

[@jorgea.9988]

Cause he's not american

[@rlm4471]

He should put out a spoken word album of him talking about V30s. I'd fall asleep to it.

[@captaina4248]

Almost expected; "Hey, V Sauce, today we're going to talk about Vintage 30s!" Thanks for the knowledge =)

[@CarcPazu]

This is a very underrated comment if I ever saw one lol

[@Gumbo72203]

You win the internet today. Thank you.

[@andrewgremba1450]

V Sauce seems a little depressed in this vid.

[@SmokeBreakStudios]

We NEED the straight vs angled video kohle!!! Thanks for another great video.

[@incitatus634]

Angled all the way!

[@amateurism1]

Uhhhh Johan Segborn....

[@progrocker84]

+1

[@MrKnisterable]

@kohleaudiokult where are you? Slanted vs straight? 😊

[@asherplatts6253]

Break-in is so real. I was also really disappointed in my V30 when I first installed it, it was so fizzy. Then after playing it cranked every day for like 6 months, it suddenly became "the sound" and I absolutely love it now.

[@sykocustomcabinets3712]

Cab Builder here! One of the first things I took into account for defining the cab sizes was the standing waves and when I captured some IRs of V30s in the 4x12" the effect was very present, specifically at 500Hz "ish" zone, which corresponds directly to the internal depth of the cab. The cabs I build are front loaded, and both the back panel and baffle are glued together with the rest of the cab, so i'ts esentially a single piece. Additionally I added a glued unión in between the back and baffle to mitigate phase cancelation between the bouncing parts. To my surprise, it resulted in a more linear response and not so boomy as one would expect a 4x12 to be.

[@xsonicassassinx]

this is probably why i prefer semi-open back so much. much more consistent midrange. even if it softens the bass a little. especially on stage, that midrange is so much more more important to me than the projection

[@sykocustomcabinets3712]

@@xsonicassassinx you know the old saying: If it sounds good, it sounds good! That's the beauty of guitar cabs vs other instruments, it's expected to have a character of it's own and linearity is usually not the main goal. It's cool to understand the mechanics and math behind everything, but in the end what matters is if it sounds good.

[@snapascrew]

@@sykocustomcabinets3712 do you find slants record better??

[@moonorbust7740]

Wait I’m a noob. Are these standing waves and whatnot considered “bad” or just another flavor of sound?

[@zAvAvAz]

@@snapascrew Yes. Slant your entire speaker mounting board and set the bottom speakers higher up in a larger cab so there is not a 'kink' in the corner along bottom.

[@victorcaio3965]

The most epic crossover in metal produce world!

[@francescocapone7966]

2 of my favorite audio engeneer together, what a magical day! thank you

[@belligerentamateur]

@21:00. DUDE THANK YOU. This is exactly what I've been saying about Mesa oversized cabs for YEARS. The OS is not boomy, it extremely tight!

[@vikingmike8139]

Great info. Cool discussion. Cheers Gentlemen.

[@vikingmike8139]

I too am a Vintage 30 fan/nutbar. I like the Mesa version of the V30, somewhat darker with that distinct V30 mid grind and growl. Cheers!

[@FlankinspanK]

I love how its always an adventure listening to different speakers

[@marcospintor1333]

My new cab was shipped with a vintage 30 and i planned to swap with immediately cuz i knew vintage 30s were so common. But when I first tried it, it was BADASS. There’s a reason why they’re so popular

[@soad11dude]

Another long and nerdy video that forced me to pause what I was doing and watch every second... this is what I get for selling my soul... and I love it.

[@MatthiasBuesing]

Finally we know that speaker/cab has been used for cab 2 in Archetype Gojira. Happy man now, because I'm so in love with that particular IR :-) Thanks Nolly!

[@xsonicassassinx]

it's funny that this was such a mystery. i have such a STRONG distaste for greenbacks that the first online demo i saw, when they clicked to cab 2 i said "ew, greenback". when you don't like something, you can always taste it in your food haha

[@adamsteelproducer]

Oh man you guys are going to send me down the rabbit hole as well! I've already done a 6-hour video on different brand-new Celestions, but this is a whole new path to go down...

[@KohleAudioKult]

I have watched some of your speaker videos! Great content! 🍺👹

[@Paul_Lenard_Ewing]

Love all these different speaker shows. No matter how music is made it all gets totally analog when it hits a speaker. The complexity to such a purely analog expedience takes us as close as we will get to the first drums that were only a hollowed out log.

[@claudevieaul1465]

I've bought various V30s over the years from early this century up to about 2012, and to me getting them well played-in was key to a good sound. Used them in various cabs, mostly closed back, and they seem to thrive in oversized closed cabs the best... Combined one with an old silver-coned Greenback G12H (code 1976), and that combination can handle pretty much anything!!

[@doctersound9630]

Is there a Celestion V30 serial number guide/database that some other “geeks & nerds” can follow? Thank you in advance. (Appreciate the time guys! Thank you Nolly!)

[@maddnotez]

There is, celestion has one but even that isn't accurate according to some of the date codes I've seen.

[@doctersound9630]

@@maddnotez Thank you!

[@maddnotez]

@@doctersound9630 it won't let me link the url here

[@MentallyBlind]

Two legendary mixing engineers in one video - how can we not love it? :)

[@zenistermister9695]

He does an excellent job at explaining the sound of the sound. It's amazing.

[@Dirge4july]

I’m that person. I use to NEVER pay any mind to the speakers and cab when I was younger. Now I do more then ever. Mostly because of this channel I’ve realized how damn important they are. You don’t need need a bunch of amps for different tones. You just need different cabs with different speakers if you want other tones. I’m running a prs stealth cab with 2 v30s and 2 75 creambacks. Killer sound.

[@TheGgreen100]

I used to be the exact same way. Amps were always so much more interesting and cool to me so that's where I spent my time. Turns out speakers are much more influential to the entire tone. I still love amps and don't plan to sell mine... so now I just have to stock up on different cabs lol. :)

[@LtCmdrAmbrose]

@@TheGgreen100 Both is the answer

[@TheGgreen100]

@@LtCmdrAmbrose Yup.

[@deepend69]

Great to see videos of professionals nerd out on speakers, it's always guitars and amps. Speakers are where the rubber meets the road. Guitarists need to nerd out on speakers more. Would like to see you guys talk about the EVM 12L. I'm a long time user of Mesa rectifier and mesa half back cabs with evm 12l speakers. Best combination I've come across since I got my rectifer in '97.

[@catatafish6251]

Thank you so much for this video! 🙏🏻 Adam D. would be really interesting at some point. Really liked some of his metalcore productions in the 2000s.

[@macmeda6677]

Thank you for all your work on this subject, I feel like all the information is on the table finally.. 4years ago I bought a ‘00 1960BV cab with 2- ‘00 Celestion V30s and 2- ‘92 Celestion V30s that spent its years touring with a Punk band and it sounds amazingly perfect. It has seen years at loud stage volume. Your description of the tone earlier V30’s really helps me understand why it sounds so incredible. It’s that early “Greenbackish” tone of the early ‘90s with the perfect metal tone of the ‘00s mixed and played-in. Thanks again

[@MrGuruYoda]

I combined v30 and eminence legends in my Soldano cab and they compliment each other well. Also the celestion g12-65 from the late 70s-80s is a great speaker too. Cool video I loved the nerdy depth it went into.

[@justinlonghofer]

I have the same in a line 6/Bogner cab. My personal favorite speaker combo!

[@KaddysJamKave]

I came across videos with frequency analysis comparing new v30s vs broken in v30s concluding that there is no significant difference in sound. I believed that for the last couple years... Until I bought a hb 2x12 vintage from thomann which was SO bright and harsh but smooth and pleasant when I plug the same amp and settings into my orange 212 vintage. Perfect opportunity to test a break in... I literally looped a chunky chug into the hb 212 and cranked the bass up all the way, faced the speakers down into the carpet and cranked it and left it for 6 hours... Not expecting a difference. WOW man, even 6 hours of doing this took away most of the harsh high frequencies and has way more lows and mids and smoothed out nicely. I can't believe it actually worked... It's definitely not my brain adapting to the sound... The difference is night and day and very similar to the Orange cab I originally compared to. The myth busters on this topic are definitely wrong...

[@KevinJohnson-hm8qp]

A crossover to rival all crossovers. Legitimately two of my favorites doing it right now. Thanks for this!

[@miserypath]

This is a good example why I love your channel so much! It's alway very educating and entertaining at the same time!

[@snapascrew]

Nolly is dead on. I’ve owned a lot of the years of Mesa’s he mentioned and agree 100%. Even when he mentioned the 2001’s being dark and getting good results going dead center.. I’m literally having to do that right now. Nolly if you’re reading: my 2001’s are from may 25th 2001 (speaker date not cab).

[@slymebuoy]

Same! Mine are August 2001

[@maddnotez]

How can you tell exactly what year the speaker is?

[@Aleksisguitar]

Josh absolutely has made some great use of that cab =D Awesome video, you fine gentlemen!

[@personal2809]

i swear nolly is a god when it comes to most audio things but his voice is sooooo airy in this video its giving me asthma

[@5150forevermore]

Scored a Mesa cab with babied October 2000 T4335s. The hype is real. Even though they have low hours the just sound better than my 2020 V30s.

[@firdeye2681]

This is amazing, the guys, the content, knowledge, the collab. So happy videos like this exist

[@DarkHorizonsMusic]

I've become a cab and speaker nerd in recent years. This video is fascinating for me. I'm still such a noob to it all but love learning. Keep these videos coming! Thanks fellas!

[@markblack2365]

1 good amp head plus a few choices of cabs is way more versatile than 10 amp heads and 1 cab.

[@aaaaa111aaaaa]

But i think Most Guitarist Care more about shiny Amps than cabs which arent as aesthetically pleasing

[@threeonamatchventura]

Love this video

[@ph0kused]

came from the new GGD Cali Cabs video where nolly references this vid - awesome convo and super interesting!

[@KohleAudioKult]

which video was that?

[@gigafuq8751]

@@KohleAudioKult kzbin.info/www/bejne/gIKbZouOp96KrZY

[@Stahlengelmusic]

The video i have ever waited for. Thanks so much!

[@jeffyoung8047]

Awesome video, thank you! I had to geek out after watching this. I opened up 2 of my mesa cabs... traditional slant 4x12 celestions are July of 2000, and standard recto bottom cab March of 2006.

[@adamnollygetgood]

Nice, I assume that means your slant cab is around serial C-33xxx? For what it’s worth Mesa only started making straight-baffle cabs in 2006

[@jeffyoung8047]

Yes Sir! C3355x. I did not know that about the straight cabs, thank you and again great video.

[@adamnollygetgood]

@@jeffyoung8047 Lovely, that's a fine vintage, I bet it sounds fantastic.

[@FedericoMK]

​@@adamnollygetgood I know you won't probably reply to this, but I have to ask! what about a Mesa 4x12 OS slanted cab with serial C315xx? I think it should have been made around 2000 or something, right? Is it too early or is it as good as the ones in best range (2002-2003)? Thanks again mate, keep up your great work as always!

[@jeffyoung8047]

I also just picked up an oversize slant Mesa and opened it up to find Feb 2002 speakers. I got lucky. serial is c422xx

[@davel_ggw]

I already knew they both sound amazing, but still feeling even happier now with my Mesa OS slant with September 1995 V30s and Marshall MF280B with December 2002 V30s.

[@miked5487]

one of my favorite speakers is and older Celestion seventy 80. Which has been really thrashed and all the harsh top end is gone. And man it sounds nice when you mic it.

[@BazonBlades]

I used Mesa 4x12's with V30's for a couple of decades with multiple heads. Different gens of Recto heads, multiple different 5150 heads, JSX's, Marshall Valvestates, etc. That's how I learned to deal with break in and taming the V30 upper mids. Now I am using a PRS MT15 through an 8 ohm Avatar Contemporary 2x12 loaded with Hellatone 60's. The cab is a clone of the oversized Orange PPC212. And the Hellatone 60's are just broken in V30's. At least with the MT15 this cab is bigger in the bottom end and far less beaky in the upper mids. Far less harsh. Maybe because of the cabinet volume, being rear loaded, whatever.

[@eikbike]

Fantastic interview and information!!!! Thanks!

[@mattrector431]

highly recommend trying a well broke in Lynchback. Nolly nailed what they should have been marketed as. They pair great with V30's and heavy mag creambacks.. new follower and love everyone so far!

[@nj1255]

Check out Barefaced Audio's cabs. They have difractors in the back of the cab that helps get rid of the phase cancellation, amplifies the acoustic power and disperses the sound much better so that your tone is more consistent wherever you are standing in relation to the cab. I have mostly heard demos of them in more low gain settings, but it would be very interesting to see a demo of one of their 2x12 cabs with 8 ohm V30's and high gain tones.

[@giancarlopaolini7529]

Nolly truly knows a lot and his cab plugins are among the best around indeed.

[@joeblow1229]

Solid nerdy round table, thanks Kohle… sneap is using the Marshall BV/AV cabs so much these days, it’s a nice change of pace, and I’m glad to see that coming out because they really are great.

[@joeblow1229]

Also… nice to see nolly confirm what I’ve been saying forever, the Marshall cabs have more low end ;)

[@magnuslervikmusic]

Sooo interesting! I'm currently on a speaker quest so this was so useful. Thanks a million to you both!

[@thomasrobertson4213]

Thanks for this, I love the way Nolly seems to bring scientific inquiry to everything he talks about

[@TheGhostNotePodcast]

Im a simple man. I see Nolly... I click.

[@vaughan7835]

I bought a "Dead" Vintage 30 on a Sydney Australia gear road trip, a few years ago. Still haven't hooked it up yet, to at least try it. It's still in a storage shed. Bought it from a Mad / Great Lead Guitarist who pulled it from his Crazy Metal Orange something amp. Also have a fairly new but well used Vox AC15 C1 with a green back, that the previous owner broke in. I'm still not sure whether I like it or not. Better plug in a bit more often. Great subject tho. Well done

[@hobbybobley]

Absolutely fantastic video - thanks!

[@miguelmikemigs]

There's a guy who used to work at the paper plant that supplied the cones back in 2001 somehwere in the internet watching this and going "man I knew I dropped way too much glue into the mixing machine".

[@Penberth1]

I've got one of Nolly's Mesa 412s here, V30s - 2x'94 and 2x'00 in X pattern, such a phenomenal cab. Very distinctive sound difference between the pairs - one smoother, the other a little more mid-y and bark-y. My own Mesa 412 I've had for yonks is a similar vintage and again it's quite different, surprisingly so. They have a common base, but different flavours on top for sure.

[@timperry2375]

Could you do a video on these speakers

[@hyperbolekid]

This was by far one of the best geek out's ever! Between this and your Fluff interview about Rectifier heads, my amp/cab room looks very different now. A lot more Mesa Boogie logos in it and I can now summon Satan on command. Thanks for all you do! Gonna make sure I follow and learn more from Nolly now as well.

[@davidthomas2986]

Nolly repping Control Room! Fascinating video.

[@gustavelantierronan]

Great ! Thans to both of you !

[@nicholassparks3153]

There was talk about some years of the chinese version that had a different dust cap than the UK version that was not transparent. These were harsh and fizzy. At some point they switched to the correct dust cap and the sound was much better.

[@Starch1b2c3d4a]

My recto 2x12 has 70watt v30’s from 1999. Everything I plug into it sounds awesome

[@SluggerStark]

I believe you! My angled Mesa 4x12 is a 1999. I have toured and jammed God knows how many hours on that thing and it sounds unreal good. Many amps have come and gone, but that old Mesa recto cab stays. Like yours, everything sounds awesome through it!

[@johnmore142]

i have what seems to be celestion vintage 30’s made for randall in the xl cabs that sounds phenomenal, maybe better than my mesa cab from golden era. 16 ohm vs 8 ohm, angled versus straight. but man do they sound great !

[@JimboLodisC]

This is the video I didn't know I needed! I'm gonna rewind and watch it again! I've been thinking about building my own cabinet and am toying around with the idea of doing a V30 / DV-77 combination, now I know what to look for when shopping for the V30

[@leosteinhausbass]

With collabs like this, I need KZbin to add an option to like videos twice. Epic!

[@insulartomb]

Brilliant video, in-depth analysis based on lots of data and clearly an incredible ear (you were right complimenting his descriptions! Really precise). This series is so good, loved the Dual Rec one as well. Thank you!

[@capita31]

Everything I knew about speakers prior to watching this video….. just went right out the damn door. Thanks Boys! Priceless Insight here!

[@DadoSimicStudiostriver]

The best video i ever watched from you. This is A M A Z I N G. So much information that started to clarify things tromendously.

[@WECREATEMETAL]

When I did the Marshall factory tour I asked about it they said that this speaker was designed with Marshall so the version out as vintage 30 is slightly different for legal matters I also read some where but I don’t know if true that there were 2 changes made over the years to soften the mid bite while Marshall still get their original design

[@jukkamurto2411]

Very interesting, thank you so much! I have a nice cab from nineties with V30s and when I bought the mentioned Thomann H&K V30 cab about five years ago i was horrified how harsh they sounded at first. There was no low end... After hard abuse from a marshall 2203 playing with a with a loud drummer they gradually softened and sound ok today.

[@donadams1505]

I have to say that my favorite sound is my cab with V30 and Celestion Greenbacks combined. But this video is very informative for newbies and people that haven't been able to play with different combinations of speakers..

[@Moka8]

My favorite set of V30's is an Orange 2x12 with a set of English made V30's from either 2002 or 2003. It was actually one of Underoath's old touring cabs so it was definitely broken in by them over the years!

[@KohleAudioKult]

As you’ve heard, that’s one of the golden years!

[@Moka8]

@@KohleAudioKult Maybe it's time to look into making an impulse response of it! Haha

[@djentlover]

@@Moka8 Please do! Maybe without the baffle, to eliminate the comb filtering? 🤔

[@billyjoebobjimjr]

Very good info guys! I just bought a set of 4 V30s new made in China. I think they were too bright and thin but now I realize as you say they have to be broken in. For now I put the set of 4 G12H-75 UK speakers back in the Soldano 4x12 because the low end is so much nicer. If I just tap on the cone you can hear the resonance is lower by at least a half step on the G12H-75s. I was going to sell the V30s but I will work on getting those broken in and try again. I just want the sound that's in the UA OX 4x12 UK VEE30.

[@braddtatum]

Great video! Thanks for the info and guidance here. I just pulled the trigger and ordered four 8ohm vintage 30’s from Mesa. I should get them in two days. I have a technician scheduled to swap out the g12t-75s from my Lead1960a cab and put the V30’s in. I don’t want to risk messing it up by trying to wire it myself. Can’t wait to hear the speakers! Cheers and thanks for the vids! I’m learning a lot. 🤘

[@belligerentamateur]

What perfect timing to feed my speaker binge

[@Dereuberblocherp]

Nice talk. I have two Lynchbacker in my homade cabinet and i realy love it. They sound great with a tight lowend.

[@Ronny1031]

I actually just received a 2 x 12 from monoprice loaded with vintage 30s and I had assumed it was the same cabinet model as the Harley Benton, but found its actually a bit different. It has a 1/4 open back design and a slanted baffle, where I believe the Harley Benton is closed back and has a straight baffle (could be wrong, as I haven't seen a Harley Benton cabinet in person), but it sounds pretty fantastic in the room.

[@kosmajahn2877]

Ok, maybe the UK vs China v30 discussion doesn't really have much sense, but for me it does, because I recently bought a cab with vintage 30 and the seller assured me that they are UK made (I looked on the back and saw that "Ipwich Suffolk England" writing so I automatically thought "ok, it's actually british made". But then I saw on the internet that it doesn't have to be British made, it may be China (they produced that writing on the back of the speaker till 2007 even in Chinese factory), so I'm no longer sure that my speakers were made in British. The worst thing is that I paid more for a cab with british made speaker, not regular ones but now I'm not even sure if this is true.. so I have to check this speaker once again closely, but still I'm concerned how to really check if it was British made. Great interview!

[@brugvp]

that's one of the nicest, nerdiest, informative videos on metal production. Great to see you guys working together. Would love to hear some tests of those v30s, like a shootout or something. Also angled vs straight cabs. Great content as always kohle! 🔥

[@platform1studio610]

this was the best v30 vid ever. so many questions.

[@BeatsAndMeats]

Golden age for Celestion V30 8 ohm speakers: 2000 - 2003, they need to be very well-used. The Golden Cab is a well-worn Mesa 4x12 oversized Cab in that era. Angled vs straight: You can approximate the difference just by moving a speaker from the angled part of the cab to the straight part of the cab. Angled speaker gives more upfront sound and removes the 560hz dip that's present in the straight speakers. The 2001s are extra dark and need to be mic'd basically dead center. 2002 and 2003 are the best of the best.

[@marcelopm3]

great abstract! lol

[@RobG-KD9YBZ]

I’m a bit confused. I have a pair of Vintage 30 made in 2003/2004. Both have the white label with “50” on it and some say that means they were made in China. Yet they are the grayish basket and have the magnet label that indicate made in England. So, which is it? UK or China

[@mikeflanders1292]

This is amazing. The only thing I like more than my MESA 4x12 with V30's , is my children. Seriously. I love it. It makes all my amps sound so good. My other cab and speaker combinations sound great with certain amps. But my MESA sounds incredible with every amp

[@CraigJSmithMusic]

I'm really curious to hear how Orange cabinets compare with Mesa and Marshall, both in terms of with their respective stock speakers and apples-to-apples

[@mbgmail5911]

They have the 16ohm Chinese V30 current version witch this guy says is one of the worst and harshest.

[@adamnollygetgood]

If you were to move the same speakers from a Mesa Standard Angle 4x12 to an Orange 4x12 you'd notice the Orange has a more rolled off top end due to the thick basketweave grille, a LOT of the midrange colouration due to the internal standing waves/comb filtering I talk about in this video, and a more nasal timbre. The Orange also tends to have quite a strong resonant low end. Personally I do not like the sound of Orange cabs in the room or under the microphone, they just sound too dark, skewed and nasal for my liking. EDIT: None of this is to say that Orange cabs have bad speakers in them - I've transplanted a lovely quad of 16ohm 2002 UK made V30s from an Orange 4x12 to a Marshall 1960B and had awesome results.

[@CraigJSmithMusic]

@@adamnollygetgood thanks for the reply! I really appreciate the info!

[@MixYourWay]

@@adamnollygetgood Would altering the angle of the back board change something tone wise for an Orange cab? (I'm stuck with mine and you've just described it. Nasal, resonant and skewed).

[@adamnollygetgood]

@@MixYourWay I’m not sure really. I guess if I were you I’d staplegun acoustic insulation to the back panel to reduce the undesirable lively resonances and colouration. I’ve done this on several non-Orange cabs with good results, but it won’t cure all of the issues. If you felt OK with ruining its appearance and resale value I guess you could remove/cut off the basket weave grille to open up the top end too.

[@SuperGuitar38]

I have two 4x12" cabs full of V30's from 94' and 95'. Treated nicely and broke in correctly. Amazing tone and will never part w/ them. My all time fav speakers.

[@mikehartigan2703]

I was so excited to buy my first V30 about a year ago. It is a Chinese 8ohm from one of the bigger online stores. Today it is sitting on a shelf because I don't like the sound it makes at all. I'm glad to find out that my ears are working properly! It is very bright/sharp/harsh.... Some day I will try to combine it with a warmer speaker, but for now I'm using a DV-77 with a Texas Heat in an oversized 2x12 that I built. Sounds great for just about everything. It's a shame.

[@vincesalutari4501]

I really learned a ton from this video. Thanks.

[@spyware1100]

I think it all depends on the amp and chain, also. If you have a mid scooped amp vith a mid heavy speaker, that can "even" things out. But if you have a mid heavy amp and a midrange focused speaker, the result won't be as pleasing.

[@jordansage9655]

36:30 cool idea of mixing in a cab to mic to preference

[@Thansferium]

Awesome video! On a speakernerd journey myself right now, put 2 Marshall Vintage speakers in X pattern with 2 1984 t75s in a Marshall 1960a cab and miked the two upper speakers, great mix! Maybe a cool sequel, the different t75s? ;)

[@pedrovanzeler1185]

Damn... the right Dual Rec and the right cab...you were destined to guide us through the quest for tone Kohle!

[@armandboss6285]

Interesting video! I've been miking the the upper speakers in 4x12s (live sound is mostly what I do...) for as long as I can remember but I've always explained my choice in doing that to eliminate potential floor reflections and then, of course, I don't have to bend down when clipping on the cab grabbers :) ... In my own 4x12s (Marshall 1960A/B made in 2008 w. 2x factory G12T-75s & 2x V30s (bought in 2011, I'll have to see if I can find a date code now...) mounted in X-pattern. I really like my V30s, sure they were a little bright/ice-picky and stiff when they were new but now they have approx. 200 hours of live use/rehearsal (decent volume) and all harshness is gone. I tried to keep track of how long it took and if I remember correctly the biggest change came after about 50 hours and they "smoothed out" and settled down after about 80-100 hours.

[@zAvAvAz]

What would you use with a modded boosted VH140C? WGS reaper 16ohm? Or V30? Or DV77? Or WGS retro 30? Or WGS DW75? Or Eminence C75? Or Legend V1216 or V128? Jensen Nighthawk 75? Jensen MOD 15-200? 10" Falcon 40? Randall fortin? Hiwatt fortin? Peavey famed circuit? With a crate GX130C? With a VS100? Guitars RG floyd rose 25.5". And an RG 27" scale. Custom 8 string 25.5" scale with floyd rose. Play 'life' metal, Xtreme gain, chainsaw, and Black metal, with thrash riffs and shred leads. The point is = highly saturated, highly clipped multicarved gain stages.

[@DrDannyMannGuitar]

Awesome video! Love this deep dive. I totally agree about mic’ing the top speaker. I’ve moved the same speaker from bottom to top of cab and got good improvement. An easy way to hear the change is by flipping the cab over as well.

[@infinitytones77]

Thanks for another great video/conversation, Kristian! \m/ I am located in the US and I did just recently purchase a Mesa-voiced V30; I guess it was about a month ago or so. Though I still have a long way to go before the speaker is truly broken in (I'm using it in my home studio with my 3-channel ~2010 Mesa/Rectifier), I think it sounds pretty good. Yes, its a little bright and young sounding (to use a phrase from Nolly), but its translating well thus far in my mixes.

[@antonbauer5379]

Holy shit! Both of you guys give me instpiration and ALOT of knowledge, but I didn't saw THIS coming ;)

[@Jediroller]

So to date them you have to check the speaker frame serials to get the year of production. The cones only has 444 or 777 stamps on them that indicate bass or lead cone as Nolly explained. This upsets me in a way because I re-coned a greenback and a creamback with 2x 8ohm 444 v30 re-cone kits that a music shop owner just managed to been keeping in the back of his music shop for years. I guess I will never know what year they were produced lol.

[@jarrusjenkins]

I think I'd like the brighter speaker... I have a Marshall DSL40CR (2020) and it comes with a Celestion V Type speaker in it and I find the amp in general darker than I'd like, to the point I run the Treble, Mids and the Presence at full.... I'm thinking a new V30 should help the cause quite a bit... great video as always !

[@DragonBolo]

Amazing info ! I want to buy a Marshall 1960 AV or BV , but do not know, which one …. It is not for recording, I just want to have the best tone at home. Both cabs are little bit bright ( 16 ohms), the AV because of the slanted speakers even a little bit more. Nolly said a 1960 B (V) has more low end than an oversized Mesa, but a 1960 A(V) would have less phase cancelations. Would be interesting which one Nolly would recommend a guy like me, just for playing at home. Is more low end better than less phase cancelation ? Nolly mentioned Sylosis. They use a mix of 1960 B and BV cabs on stage. His opinion on mixing V30s with T75s in a 1960 cab would be interesting as well.

[@guylikesguitar]

So much knowledge and nerdyness in one video. Awesome stuff! Also - Nolly could probably talk about how plants reproduce and I would still listen closely. :D

[@TheGarageRecordingSC]

Still loving my WSG Veteran 30 🤘🏻🤘🏻

[@rexweible3747]

awesome wealth of knowledge in this video thanks Kristian