Kpop opinions you don’t wanna admit but you need to accept

[@mahi05399]

Bro the way people kept attacking ive for their encores in their initial days of debut but then changed their statement when ive improved their live vocals saying "encore is all about fun, vocals doesn't matter, IVE doesn't seem to enjoy their win, they're boring etc etc" is sick to me. This is peak level hypocrisy.

[@vangyul]

Facts!

[@cherreii..]

FR!!

[@gamjasong04]

I bet those haters expect ive to do somersaults on stage or something, otherwise “they’re boring and it doesn’t look like they’re having fun” 🙃

[@lavienrosewon8811]

Actually ive wasn't really attack for their encore...there is ton bg group,twice momo and lesserafim get more critism than them

[@mahi05399]

@@gamjasong04 FR lmao! 😭

[@Lewis-hl9qw]

The male female idol point is so true. Momo’s vocals get torn to shreds but Felix’s vocals get ridiculously overpraised by Stays as though he sings like a main vocalist when in fact he’s the weakest vocalist in a non vocalist group. Such hypocrisy.

[@tzune1]

THISS!!! i keep seeing stays use the more and more encore stage against momo but when someone brings up the skz encore stage its suddenly them having fun. i hate this hate towards female idols. its always a big deal when a girl does something its actually driving me insane

[@stayinneverland]

I am a stay, but this is so true

[@op_timusprime]

I hope I'm not being too biased as I am a stay so let me just break it down, there's a difference between momo and Felix. One of them is Felix isn't apart of the vocal line, he's a lead rapper and lead dancer while momo is apparently a sub vocalist and main dancer. Another thing is Felix is trying his hardest to improve his vocals, so stays are just encouraging him

[@op_timusprime]

​@@tzune1actually most people hate on skz more than twice, I've literally seen people use their encore stages to discredit them. No hate, I just think there could be a better example

[@Lewis-hl9qw]

@@op_timusprime Blind praise doesn’t help anyone, It’s just condescending. Just because he wants to improve doesn’t mean he has. It’s also unfair to the stronger vocalists in the group too - exaggerating his ability makes it seem as though there isn’t a difference in Felix’s vocals to someone like the Main Vocal Seungmin, which discredits the hard work and effort other members have put into to developing their vocal abilities.

[@ahmedbarakat2809]

Also lia isnt that bad of a Performer it is just that the other 4 members are THAT GOOD that she stands out

[@AaA-lk8kx]

Yess I agree with you. There is groups that almost all members can't outdance Lia but they're not getting hate because no one stands out. I blame Jyp a lot for the hate Lia gets. They could've done some changes to choreographys so Lia wouldn't stand out much but they prefered to have a dancing monster image for Itzy

[@isabelayourboyfriendsheeee2791]

I personally believe that she is at a similar dance level with BP's Jisoo. She is not that good but she's not like, terrible as many people say and they both improved a lot recently and they'll continue to do so. I totally agree that the others are just really good.

[@Yeri-strawberry]

THANK YOU I’ve been saying this for years

[@i1sha]

​@@isabelayourboyfriendsheeee2791jisoo is my bias from bp and Lia from itzy but I'd say Lia is better to some degree than jisoo.

[@unidentifiedddd]

And people who say things along the lines of “Lia should not be in ITZY” don’t realise how hard Lia carries their vocals.

[@slayning6033]

i agree with the first opinion sooo much. Like okay, encore stages are made to have fun but why are you telling me their poor vocal skills do not allow them to support a single note WHILE just standing?

[@soft4taeng]

no exactly and obviously it's not okay to send hate against these idols but i feel like it's fair to criticize them

[@blossom6693]

​@@soft4taenghey fifty fifty rag to riches story turned out to be fake media play done by the company, update the video,

[@norabeckwith6893]

​@@soft4taengthat's why I like 2gen kpop tbh encores were so much fun no one cared about messing up everybody had a good time this generation my god everyone gotta a stick up their butt

[@gwen6140]

​@@norabeckwith6893👴 back in my day

[@norabeckwith6893]

@@gwen6140 I am old Wait not really I am only 25

[@serinemadoui8675]

Recently with misamo debuting as a unit we got Momo singing with her actual register and she just sounded amazing omg 😭😭✨✨✨

[@multifan6679]

Fr, the fact they already had a comeback with Marshmallosafter having debited like 5months ago with Bouquet. Misamo really is a successful sub unit as it seems

[@neb.9489]

Momo is one of the best dancers in the industry and she’s actually a really good rapper, but people refuse to let her live and keep brining up that one More & More encore fancam. Momo is a dancer and there is a reason why her solo for the Ready to Be tour is a dance performance. People need to leave her alone. Also, I do wish HYBE snatch up Bahiyyih. I’m afraid of her company mismanaging her after Kep1er’s disbandment. She’s in the same company as weeekly and that scares me. Her potential is already being waisted in Kep1er, so I want her somewhere she can thrive. This goes for all the Kep1er members. I want them all to thrive after Kep1er, especially Yujin who was stuck under cube and being mismanaged for years.

[@gabdongipark]

I think that people expect talent and growth at the same time. Like they expected her to improve over time

[@wintoreos]

with that new misamo song, she sounds good with her lower register so i think she should be getting some vocal training more

[@neb.9489]

@@gabdongipark In my opinion, she has improved, but she also clearly was singing in a vocal tone that’s not her real voice

[@myofleur]

⁠@@wintoreos I think she doesn't just need some more vocal training, but also Twice producers need to find a way in which Momo's natural vocals can be used in their songs bc as far as we know they force her to sing with that voice to fit in the songs

[@myofleur]

⁠​⁠@@wintoreos and we can see that they have found a way to use her actual vocal tone on Misamo's new song

[@Thispotatolikekpop]

The fifth one isnt an opinion, its a fact. I hate it because the misogyny kpop stans have is so naturual that people dont even think of it like that.

[@gamjasong04]

Yeoreum being on Queendom again despite her group literally winning last year just says a lot about starship’s competency. You would think the company knew how to keep the hype wjsn gained, yet here we are…

[@vixxexo6855]

If Starship handled them right they could have been the next Mamamoo or even Oh My Girl. WJSN should have had another comeback in 2022 to keep their momentum and Bona even got attention from Twenty Two Twenty Three series.

[@dks13nic]

starshit will always be starshit. fvck that dumb company. 2022 could be a huge year for wjsn especially when bona got a hit drama and winning the queendom 2. but instead of using that momentum, starshit just stay silent and keep wjsn in their basement and only gave them one cb "last sequence".

[@tabassumsaraah]

​@@vixxexo6855Im sorry "or even omg" the last i checked Mamamoo seemed much more bigger than OMG ?

[@ibetterbearoundyou]

I'd dare to say the only group that was helped by QD2 was LOONA. "Flip That" sold more than their previous records and it actually helped them to grow as artists. However, BBC is worse than Starship, so they ended up disbanding this year.

[@snowyblossom5]

They did the same thing with the group Boyfriend. Literally ruined their popularity and seeing them do it again with WJSN is so disappointing why haven't they learned❗❗❗

[@Mashka14]

Couldn’t agree more with the comment it’s unfortunately a continuing problem in the K-pop community the fans being more judgmental towards Female Idols instead of Male Idols it’s a complete Double Standards

[@abookonlife]

What makes it worse is that there are so many videos talking about these double standards yet no one seems to take it seriously that much, i mean there is but its just for the span of the videos and thats it.

[@Chaoticaenergy]

@@Your.wet..pantiesBecause he was actually terrible

[@Chaoticaenergy]

@@Your.wet..panties Not as terrible as jimin.

[@lana-br4yz]

@@Your.wet..panties Position of Jimin is lead vocalist. That's why he was getting hate for his poor encore

[@Chaoticaenergy]

@@Your.wet..panties Girl the “hate” he’s getting is valid😂 he’s been a idol for how many years????? And still sounds horrible in the encore stage🤦🏽‍♀️ Its rare when a male idol gets criticized this much but when it’s female idols they will drag it on for a years literally. So you can complain all you want he still sounds terrible.

[@neb.9489]

I agree with the second opinion! A lot of kpop stans act like this. They have this “not like other girls” syndrome and this applies to non-girls as well. They only like unpopular groups to be edgy and different. Normal fans would want their favorite group to get fame and recognition, but a lot of these people just want to be unique. It’s like those people in middle school who bragged about liking some obscure indie artist instead of One Direction or Justin Bieber.

[@franklin_du_bois]

Opinion 4: I agree 100%. I swear some stans forget that kpop is a business to make money. Hybe and other companies would only act in order to make a profit. (It's obvious, but sometimes it needs to be repeated). Kpop = industry = business = money.

[@tkp97]

the hybe one and queendom puzzle ones are so true. every time let's say a popular trainee doesn't get chosen or let's say there's a kep1er girl and everyone's like "Oh i hope hybe takes them in". I got some backlash cuz I told ppl that hybe is not a charity case, they will not take everyone in . Also Chaewon and Sakura were already popular to begin with. Kep1er is declining in popularity every comeback, they're losing sales and interest. The Queendom puzzle probably won't benefit the groups that much, sadly.

[@elsa7594]

Fr, i mean like some people seem to forget that Sakura is one of the biggest celebrities of Japan.

[@eggiemybaby]

True. Hybe buying companies and other idol's contracts are part of their expansion before. They have stabilized now and have enough trainees at their disposal (most of them they wasted) to ever need to buy anymore companies and groups.

[@Fairyphobia]

People are so intimidated by ive is ridiculous😂😂

[@BAMMIE7613]

People thinking hybe is gonna buy every company to fit with their narrative of hybe monopolising kpop

[@2FullMoons]

Fearnots will come for me but it’s not a lie that this whole ‘encore stages are supposed to be fun’ idea only started circulating once LSF gave that underwhelming encore stage, if IVE or Aespa did poorly during their encore stages the whole kpop stan twitter would be on their asses with fearnots being one of the forefront fandoms, just like they were always one of the major fandoms to drive the ‘IVE can’t sing’ & ‘IVE never sings live’ narratives since last winter. Interesting how both of these two things were disproven in time and for it to come out that their group barely sings live and usually poorly when they do. It’s interesting how there’s so much hypocrisy in kpop and how groups like IVE & Aespa are consistently nitpicked at and LIED on, and groups like LSF have their mistakes & shortcoming constantly excused not just by their fandom but a lot of the kpop community. It’s true, the kpop community does choose who to hate and who not to and will be shamelessly hypocritical about it. And no, I am not saying LSF or any other group deserves hate as well, I am pointing out a DOUBLE STANDARD, it’s a very big difference. We should treat ALL rookie groups like rookies and accept that they have room to improve without hating on ANY of them. In other words BE FAIR and treat ALL of them THE SAME, with compassion. I also agree with your third opinion, I am SO upset with how Starship handled WJSN after Queendom, the group doubled their first week sales with the release of Last Sequence which showed that there IS potential for further growth however they choose to literally sh*t on their momentum in favor of... IVE. And I say this as a DIVE and OF COURSE this is not IVE’s fault however, if IVE wasn’t their main money maker trust that they would have capitalized to hell and back on what WJSN achieved on Queendom. I am also disappointed and questioning WHY out of all their groups is WJSN the one to take the blow, Monsta X & Cravity continued to receive proper treatment after IVE’s success. Justice for WJSN forreal, it’s sad because I actually became a fan of them because of Last Sequence and how amazing it was.

[@mahi05399]

LS are not hated by K-pop stans mainly because of the hybe privilege same with nwjs too. Also I agree that the "Ive can't sing" narrative was supported mostly by fearnots and hybe stans and the fact that LS got away with their lip sync stage of sour grapes while sitting and on the other hand a whole bandwagon started against ive for that one cover, literally everybody and their moms were dragging them to hell. The level of hypocrisy is amusing to me. I was scrolling through the shorts a while ago and guess what 4-5 hate videos for ive appeared and comments were literally normalizing the hate against them, I thought the hate has calmed down a bit but boy was I wrong. They always bark about protecting minors and then proceed to cyber bully leeseo istg I'm Soo frustrated rn. Also you're right about the WJSN situation, starship did them dirty, girlies deserve better treatment fgs. As much as I love ive, I won't defend starship's favouritism towards ive. MonstaX and cravity are still pretty much treated better because "tHeY'rE a bOy gRoUp" as we've been seeing from ages.

[@N-gene]

As a Fearnotdive (or whatever it’s called, I mean I stan both groups) I agree. Well, I personally don’t really care about encore stages so I don’t have problem with that Le sserafim stage. But if some Fearnots hate on Ive for the same reason, that’s definitely double standards. They just can’t hate on Ive for that and defend LSF at the same time. That’s messed up.

[@green360z]

​@@mahi05399Stop pushing the fearnots hate IVE agenda because sincerely, it's kpop stans who are pushing all their hate towards ive through LESSERAFIM, comparing them all the time. Besides, IVE got a hate train far before LESSERAFIM's debut so idk why people are pushing this narrative

[@green360z]

Also, so what if the idols fell short? Mind you, we are right for saying an encore is for fun because it's not the right stage to evaluate them I do agree that two members, Sakura and Kazuha are the only ones who slack off vocally but that's for valid understandable reasons Mind you, Sakura had been practicing unhealthy singing techniques which could've damaged her cords and asked for less lines. She's in the group because she contributes a lot to their success since it takes more than vocals to be a successful idol Also, Kazuha is new in the scene and has a good vocal tone but she's got a long way to go because she just started singing. Mind you, she was supposed to be a rapper but because her vocal tone was beautiful, they tried to push her into singing, same as Sakura who all had more to offer to the kpop scene than just vocals Love or hate her, Sakura has one of the best vocal tones out there but isn't a good vocalist but that doesn't mean she's lost her worth She doesn't need criticism for something she herself has acknowledged publicly and is working towards. That's just hate

[@2FullMoons]

@@green360z I think you need to read my comment again because you missed the intention of my argument, which was about pointing out a double standard and nothing about what any of the LSF members specifically need to work on or not ( which idc about anyway since I am not their fan ). About how other groups are offered a different treatment, and how if they were the ones in that position ( the ones with underwhelming encore stages ) the online discourse would be different, and less compassionate, and how one of the fandoms to push that less compassionate discourse would be fearnots as they, whether you want to believe it or not, have done it before. So I am sorry but your reply was a little besides the point.

[@Everythingz127]

I feel like the last two queendoms are harming female idols more than helping them. It's like it's not even a plus to your career.

[@soft4taeng]

Now queendom became a show for struggling groups and unfortunately most of these groups come from companies that don’t know how to keep the hype their idols build

[@4m3mory]

opinion 5 is sooo true there are other male idols who aren't allrounders or visuals who aren't that talented in any idol skill(s) without main or even lead positions, but they never get hated on for being an eyecandy or stanattractor like the female idols. the group vid u chose for that part was on point, jaemin actually came to mind first for me

[@Eris_Norregard]

Wait why did Jaemin came to mind? I'm not really all that versed in NCT but I thought he was a pretty good dancer?

[@4m3mory]

@@Eris_Norregard honestly everyone in nct is a good dancer to some extent. but he's not special, not better than the maindancers. and he aint an all rounder which is what the creator mentioned necessary for female idols to avoid hate. for female visuals, they are expected to be extra good at the all the idols skills to make up for their visual and avoid "eyecandy" allegations as if that visual was a burden and not a cherry on top.

[@Eris_Norregard]

@@4m3mory Ooh I got you. Thanks for explanation.

[@4m3mory]

@stephanie1026 every idol gets hate to SOME extent, especially on twitter and for unreasonable things. jaemin aint ur hated female idol, don't be so sensitive. he literally makes those "idols with no haters" list and ppl will flex that they "havent seen a single soul hate on jaemin". bc he's unproblematic.

[@4m3mory]

@stephanie1026 he does? i didnt know. AS HE SHOULD (not for the cat owner part, for the visual & talent part)

[@Angelwing01]

The first option is so true like these days, all that matters is the visual. They don't care about real skills and talents. There are many idols who are so below average in every skill department, and when they get criticized, their fans will come up with excuses out of their ass.

[@chae_seo0211]

At this point i feel like if ive does something "bad" ppl are gonna bash them for it but if someone else does something similar ppl are just gonna be like meh, and this isn't just random ppl cuz from what i have observed- just a personal opinion- it's 50% coming from their fanbase (mostly the toxic ppl) like bro lesserafim's fanbase is really passive like let's take sakura for example she has the least lines in most of their latest comeback but u didn't see fans hating on the other members with the most lines infact most of the comments were abt how they hope sakura would improve on her vocal skills and get more lines in the future and personally her part in unforgiven is one my favourite parts, and take for example if one person is wearing pants during a stage performance no one will bat an eye or say how she is the company's favorite or some sh*t like that but thesame isn't the case for ive, i recently watched a video of ive's perfomance of kitsch where someone said that starship has started with their favouritism just cuz wony was the only one wearing leather pants when in reality each member had a particular vibe or style to themselves but atlast they just wanted an excuse to spread hate or if she has more lines ppl are gonna say she is the fave or whatever and that's just ridiculous and am gonna admit lesserafim's encore stage vocals wasn't that good in some vocals and am saying this as a FEARNOT cuz it's good to admit that "yeah that wasn't very good but am gonna continue stanning them" cuz thats what i tell myself when a grp i stan doesn't perform well instead of making an excuse to justify that and again am saying this as both a FEARNOT and DIVE. I will continue defending ive against stupid and malicious statements and continue staning both grps Wowww that was mouthful or more like typeful

[@Your.wet..panties]

I was saying the same thing in another’s dive comment and not they ate me alive. They can’t accept the toxicity of their own fandom.

[@chae_seo0211]

@@Your.wet..panties Bro thank u 🙏🏼, like seriously there's so much going on with the dive fandom ✋🏼and am saying this as a dive myself and worst of all is that they can't admit that to themselves and even other fandoms are noticing it too i mean i was a fearnot b4 a dive and i noticed it ppl are even saying that they are growing to becoming like some toxic blinks 😩 but i don't want that for my girls

[@Your.wet..panties]

It's the company's fault. They know damn well what they're doing with their stupid marketing strategie.

[@soft4taeng]

I feel like the problem is that ive has a lot of fake stans that always butt in dive's business but they're not even dives and they just use members like Gaeul and Liz to drag the other girls. I've been a dive since pre debut and i actually have to say the fandom equally supports everyone and always tries to debunk the favoritism claims instead of starting them, but like i said, there are many kpop stans that desperately wanna bring ive down and they will literally say the nastiest things about certain members while also using a Liz/Gaeul profile picture to seem like they're dives when they're actually not dives at all. For example 99% of those who complained about Liz's lack of lines in Kitsch while being mean to the other girls were not dives, in fact they didn't even know Jiwon was Liz's real name 😭 It's clear most people are just using some members to attack the others.

[@Your.wet..panties]

@@soft4taeng You're just giving the same excuse, saying they're fake fans and so on. No, they're real fans. I'm seeing them everywhere, on every video I go to. They're arguing with each other about things like Wonyoung getting more screen time or Yujin always getting the dance break. Let's be honest, it's expected with their poor marketing strategy of pushing Wonyoung. But lately, I think they're starting to push Liz more, so Starship needs to realize that negative media attention is not good for the girls.

[@winter_gaeul_fan1207]

I think the last opinion is because they're a bit more female stans in kpop than males. I mean some the female stans (just the toxic ones) just want that male idols to look handsome and that's enough, while with female idols maybe they tend to criticize them because the female idols are attractive and actually talented and the hate they receive is because the toxic stans are jealous of them.

[@gabdongipark]

Possible but I would add that it is eaiser to hide poor vocals with rap and lower range of note while for female you cant. So you will see more quickly if they cant sing or not

[@Ri57490]

This isn't just to do with the gender of the fans. There are mediocre western artists and actors who have more fame than better female artists e.g Drake and Tom Cruise - they have equal gender fans. If kpop had majority male fans, the same would happen as what we are seeing now with kpop in terms of lower standards for male idols. Because people accept mediocrity from men more easily than from women.

[@gabdongipark]

@@Ri57490 are you saying that Drake and Tom cruise are mediocre?

[@LovelyKissess]

Yeah, I agree. Female idols get hate from female fans. So if there was more male fans, there will be less hate towards these women because the men will be happy just seeing their favorite female idols be cute just like female kpop stans do with male idols Girls love guys and when they're crushing or in love, they see nothing wrong with what he's doing or don't care because they just want to look at him When female idols get hate it's mainly out of jealousy. Sometimes when male idols get hate too. Boy group stans hate on male idols as well. BUT female stans don't like to see girl idols do anything cute or attractive that'll get attention from the opposite gender. They're consider "Pick me's" because they think they're doing it to get attention from a man It's a whole lot to why girls treat girls that way and it stems from jealousy. That's why women in kpop are treated worse when it comes to certain situations

[@giansachse]

i think the opinion 3 is actually true because i never heard of queendom until it ended for a period of time

[@vesavius]

That says more about you than the show though.

[@LovelyKissess]

I only learned of queendom after I watched Kingdom. Tried to watch queendom after because Kingdom was just GREAT! But to me, it wasn't that good. I watched a few performances then gave up. I heard of street woman fighter after street man fighter as well. I actually watched both performances. They're both good

[@aerii_11]

I AGREEEEEEE WITH SO MANY OF YOUR VIDEOS I LITERALLY LOVE YOUR CHANNEL!!!!!

[@PietaGomez-df7iu]

My love for I've just soared higher than i thought it could because of their visting the girl in the hospital

[@Blitz_Beast]

I'm a genuine Hunnie since the very beginning with FiftyFifty and this is something I've known for a while. It's been one of my biggest concerns for them is them feeling "not good enough" when the Cupid hype dies down if they don't constantly hit that bar it can really eat them up, and I hope they don't overthink it like that. I think the statement that there are tons of "token fans" because of the rags to riches story is very true, and just hope that with all those comes legitimate fans that listen to their other music and enjoy the girls and their talents as they are and not jus the story and one song.

[@Yoest.1]

The second opinion is so true, it’s already happening. I’ve seen these fans say that they are tired of hearing fifty fifty and they are already calling them overrated. At this point kpop stans are too predictable, i knew something like this would happen and it’s only gonna get worse the more successful fifty fifty get

[@v0n12z]

7:08 while i do mostly agree, there definitely are male idols that get bashed for their singing. first example that comes to my mind is ni-ki of enhypen, despite being considered one of the best 4th gen dancers in the industry, his vocals are constantly being bashed

[@N-gene]

I think the point is that there are more female idols who get hated than male idols. But it doesn’t mean there aren’t any male idols who get hated. Niki is an example, he doesn’t only get hated for his vocals but also a lot of other stuff. Also I feel like sometimes some people don’t remember the fact that he is also a foreign minor idol and debuted at 14, just like Hyein (well she isn’t foreign but still debuted at the same age) etc. And I’ve seen some people talking about double standards in kpop and talking about how male idols like Niki get treated so well (compared to female idols) and yes it’s true that there are double standards in kpop but in my opinion Niki is one of those male idols who actually gets hate, so I think they shouldn’t use him as an example of idol who ”is protected and treated well”, because he is the guy who got death threats and sexualised at the age of 15 or something, and now gets hate of even little things he does. Just like some female idols, and it’s wrong, no one should get hated like that. Sorry for writing a long message but yeah that’s what I wanted to say.

[@green360z]

​@@N-geneI honestly don't get the Niki hate. He's gone through everything a person shouldn't have to go through at such a young age

[@flobrez2470]

I’m not sure why but Jimin of BTS is getting a lot of hate too. I don’t know if it’s because of that encore he did that one time? Still no reason to hate the guy.

[@v0n12z]

@@N-gene completely agree

[@hey_290]

Idols are trained for singing and dancing so it's funny to me when people said lesserafim that this is how live sounds like. You can't defend them. Ive is definitely better than lesserafim in vocals. Lesserafim only has yunjin and chaewon. Ive got hate for their encore but bcoz it was hybe's gg everyone defended them.

[@Your.wet..panties]

Actually They’re the same they have average vocals. Ive have Liz and yujin. Lesserafim have Chaewon and Yunjin while the rest of the members are so weak and some even we can’t call them vocals so I don’t know from where people are comparing them when the two need to train more.

[@n1ghtflight]

“le sserafim only has yunjin and chaewon, ive is better”?? you say that as if ive doesn’t only have liz

[@renzzza__]

The opinion on the double standards for male and female idols resonates with me so much lol. Mainly because I used to be a bg stan only, and I definitely had that mentality at the beginning of me getting into kpop. It's crazy to me now whenever I see idols like Wonyoung getting absolutely dragged by bg stans for "just sitting and lip syncing" when their fave could easily also be a visual who contributes little to nothing in the vocal/rap/dance category. At this point, I think fans have gotten to a point where they idolize their faves so obsessively that they think anything their fave lacks in is completely fine, but if another idol (esp if its a female idol) lacks in the same category, they're untalented and should leave the group. I don't care about this kinda stuff anymore because I just don't think it's a big deal, but the double standards are getting out of hand. Just enjoy your faves and stop comparing, please 😮‍💨

[@cattopotato4883]

Ur opinions make so much sense I stan

[@mahi05399]

As much as i agree with your last opinion, i would say that sometimes this case isn't always the same for every male idol. Take jimin for example, boy was hated so much for his like crazy encore. They bashed him so much calling him talentless, undeserving of his lead vocalist position completely ignoring that he's an amazing main dancer. One of the best in K-pop i would say. I do understand the criticism but people went overboard with him. P.s - also i hope people start treating female idols the same way they do male idols. K-pop stans are absolutely not fair to female idols.

[@soft4taeng]

Oh you’re totally right, the way people treated Jimin was so horrible and it must be because he’s literally part of the biggest kpop group ever, so people hold bts to insane and unrealistic standards all the time

[@mahi05399]

@@soft4taeng I totally understand the high standards for performances when it comes to BTS, since they're the first group to come to your mind when you think of k-pop, but sometimes people forget that end the of the day they're humans just like us and considering that he has mentioned his insecurity for his voice, I would say most of it was out of nervousness.

[@Yooniverse35]

​@@soft4taengyeah like kpop fans, blinks esp (imagine the irony), are crying about humanizing idols but not when it's BTS. But God forbid someone criticizes their faves 🙄

[@green360z]

​@@soft4taengIt's dumb because we've seen the best of Him in and he even sang set me free live. Please, encores aren't substantial, drop this dumb idea. There's a lot that contributes to bad encores but the performance is what matters

[@gibbei]

another opinion they are okay with sexualizing men but when it comes to women in kpop they’ll go out of the way to stop it

[@wintoraa_]

People always expect idols to sing as better as they can like they sing in mvs and if a group not able to manage that they criticised them so much saying things like " they should work on there vocals " and things like that like wtf it isn't even there main performance its there contribute performance for winning the award but people not seem to understand i totally agree and i also totally agree with double standards for female and male idol like for example when kai performed shirtless everyone called him " sexy " but solar and jennie were slut shammed and people really expect female idols to be all rounder and Sakura was already so famous in japan before she participated in pd48 and izone was bop so hybe took chance to create a new girl group that fits line up with specially when yunjin was also there and queendom puzzle is already getting based for evil editing chaeyeon so its true its not gonna benifit anyone and btw you my favourite k-tuber ❤❤

[@ketakikhobragade7168]

5050 are most probably one hit wonder group. Kpop stans really token stan brand new popular ggs but when they start to be more popular than their original faves they drop them completely. They did this to itzy,aespa,ive,new jeans,stayc.

[@ivexoults]

The new intro with the cherish instrumental is pretty!!

[@Godongo]

I feel mixed on the first one. Like, yes, it is for fun, so I get that, but I also don't really see a problem with sounding bad either. If they sound bad during a live performance, that's a different story. Encore stages... I don't know. I feel like they can sound horrible, and that's okay? I don't really see an issue with it. As for the male and female idol one, I agree, but I don't feel like it's very relevant. I feel like male idols are generally more skilled than female idols or at least they are given the opportunity to let it shine more. There are so many talented and amazing female idols out there, so I am nowhere saying that female idols aren't good. Some of my favorite kpop stars are females. For example, Yeji and Yuna from Itzy, Giselle from Aespa, Somi, ect. The list goes on. Though, what makes me say that generally it seems like male idols are more skilled than female idols is because I have seen a lot more really poor performances from female groups than male groups. I can't think of one poor nale group performance, but I can for female groups.

[@Blanka767]

I feel that Queendom puzzle is already helping H1key, Cherry Bullet and Rocket Punch

[@soft4taeng]

Technically even Girls Planet was helping Cherry Bullet, but then the show ended and the company didn't do anything to keep the hype alive, until the attention the girls got faded away, so i'm kinda scared the same thing will happen again

[@blossom6693]

​@@soft4taenghybe major money maker are still BTS by their solo work outside of music btw and the info is wrong

[@neb.9489]

@@blossom6693No one said they weren’t their biggest money maker. The point was that HYBE is doing okay while BTS is on hiatus and that they don’t need outside groups

[@blossom6693]

@@neb.9489 but it's still bcz BTS member are active and not to mention hobi is still ambassador of lv so after every one enlist things will change

[@dipikaoyshee604]

Totally agree with opinion 5 there is double standard in kpop

[@Xeleven-k4d]

5 opinion when it comes to female and male there is a huge difference, people always have a higher expectation and they definitely receive more hate, but we all know how fucked up the industry so....

[@Haylee_Jo]

Love the intro and video ❤

[@skdoremi6666]

1. Agree with u ,you can have fun but sing decently on a live stage without even dancing. 2. Fact, kpop stan support idols who do well not the ones that r talented,if they flop next cb they will be forgotten. 3. I don't support any mnet program....its mnet. 5. 😒kpop stan r stupid. 6. Disagree....I really think female idols need to be a visual to succeed in kpop,talent was never relevant while male idols need more than a pretty face,eunwoo is a proof that as idol he didn't do well as much as an actor and model, most of gg who r doing well today have gone viral for some members popularity, many r bad performers yet still labeled 4th gen leaders, chart top 5 in melon....etc, no one in kpop cared about fifty fifty when they promoted their cupid song until it blow up on tiktok, people didn't care if they sing live or dance decently simply because they didn't have any visual member that gone viral.

[@luvnu8846]

Bahiyyih with hybe makes sense to me majority of her fanbase are hybe stans (txt,bts specifically) they already are supporting her like she's a junior to these groups same as they do with nwjns, if they ever consider taking any kep1er members hikaru, bahiyyih and xiaoting are the ones that would thought of, maybe kep1er's name doesn't hold much value but these girls can definitely make it big with the right company to push them like the amount of viral tweets xiaoting gets asking hybe to take her is silly

[@ellis20022]

the 5th opinion is just a statement for life in general. happens everywhere. im a woman in STEM and if im not the best in my class and know everything im seen as incompetent but a guy who gets by with Cs is the next Zuckerburg. you have to be the best or you're seen as the worst.

[@emapples202]

im so scared for the fifty fifty hate:(

[@bangtanlogy]

i totally disagree with your last point i think it's totally opposite and female artist gets popular easily only due to their beauty on the other hand male artist needs to prove themselves many times even they came from big companies

[@soft4taeng]

i feel like anybody who is good looking and pretty can become famous more easily, whether or not they are a male or a female idol, but it takes much less for people to nitpick and criticize female idols' talents. Just think of idols like Shuhua, Wonyoung, Tzuyu and others who are considered just pretty faces. Now think about how many male idols have underdeveloped talents but people still put them on a pedestal and never try to paint them as filler members.

[@sooszn]

The fifth opinion JUST really shows that the standards for male idols are so low

[@KurapikaSakura]

The thing is, in encores the idol cant hear themselves so messing up is very easy. Im not defending, just saying that they cant sound exactly like the studio.

[@nctacoz]

Although I do agree about the girls get more hate than boys I do remember back in the day when SHINee debuted Taemin got so much hate and was called tone deaf. Taemin worked really hard and new kpop Stans really don’t know how hard he worked and the impressive vocal improvement he had. Not to take away from your example mentioning momo because I as a once and momo stan know and see it all the time and it sucks because I feel like nowdays as social media is a big thing, idols get twice or thrice the hate that back in the day. I Can see why momo would also feel uncomfortable with showcasing her vocals more confidently if everyone always tears her down.

[@Rabiana.]

The thing with double standards between men a women in kpop comes from the way they are marketed. Cuz most kpop fans are girls companies market male idols as this boy friend material gentlemen but market female idols as this rich, pretty, famous b!tch that you want to be like in your dreams so people tend to be more strict on them to feed their ego and it's disgusting...

[@gyubear24]

Love you videos

[@baby_juice_]

I also want to add this. Some sensible kpop stans are too afraid to criticize the bad things of their favourite groups because of some toxic fandoms. Like for instance Blackpink, the toxicity of their fandom is so toxic that you have to wear a biohazard suit even when people are making honest and sincere criticism about them, their fandom is really quick to cyber bully and call out the person for "spreading hate comments" about their favourite kpop groups.

[@ellieremillard3905]

I think even IF HYBE propose a contract to Hiyyih, i really don’t think she is ever gonna accept it, since I think she is adamant to separating herself with her brother. No wonder why she never even mentioned it herself in GP999 or much after that either! ❤❤

[@koreanimmersion3608]

fans will be fans, they will defend their idols no matter what. it's the sad nature of kpop nowadays that vocals aren't that important, its all about image. vocal purists like us just have to accept the facts. I was watching HyeMiLeeYeChaePa and the fact that lee jung, who is a choreographer/dancer, fits perfectly with the idols shows that vocals isn't top priority.

[@kaylamoore9685]

I didn’t even watch the video I js saw the name of it but girl they are your opinions why we need to accept them 😭

[@jAyBCD1]

Are you sure you're not my twin? I legit made the encore stage opinion some days ago on my unpopular kpop opinions video, but worded mine differently, but we had the same idea. Omg that's two opinions (the other one was the izone. la vie rose not being big if clc did it)

[@pruitv4]

yes everglow-up, aka kpopification, winterosy, yoshified, planet minjae, planet tokki, ningelic, aedark etc, thats why you make fun of them when they have a hard time and hate on them all day with accounts like queen bee, hapus rapus, stray flops, karina runs aespa, nasrun etc.

[@4jae]

awh i liked your old intro 😭😭

[@rxbiluhvrp]

An opinion I will get f*cking cancelled for: I’m glad fifty fifty is down falling because I’m tired of hearing Cupid.

[@Bg-zn5co]

5th one is soooo goddamn true and finally somebody said that. thank you

[@taeiira]

You never miss!

[@BLACK_PINKYY]

Well believe me, 5050 is already losing popularity, and they'll keep dropping, especially with their issues.

[@Cryforme-]

Ok the 5th one PLS LOUDER!!!!!!!!!!

[@panic.3426]

What is the MV in the back during opinion 3?

[@soft4taeng]

Last sequence by wjsn

[@panic.3426]

@@soft4taeng thank you ^-^

[@ghazale1987]

the thing is befor singing you should warm your voice up, but most idols befor encores don't do that so thats beacuase sometimes they sound bad

[@wendytaylor252]

I agree with the first opinion! The caveat is that everyone has different opinions on what sounds decent. For example, the poster showed the fimmies as the video for opinion 1, when some KPop fans have been bashing everyone in the group for sounding like shit when Yunjin and Chaewon have sounded BETTER than decent for all stages and Eunchae is at the very least listen-able if that’s your meter stick. Kazuha is also on-key with “a couple of voice cracks” per stage which is acceptable considering what the video is saying. Sakura was bad in half of the encore stages, but sang just fine in the other half. Criticism is warranted, but everyone has different opinions on what is ‘decent’, what is ‘bad’, and what is ‘excellent’. Bashing an entire group based on 1~2 people’s performance is ridiculous. And let me add, just because someone else bashed your faves (Specifically IVE fans) for bad reasons doesn’t mean you get to turn around and do it to another group.

[@zh75931]

i also agree that it's naive to believe hybe will take in kep1er members because they did with izone, but about chaewon and sakura being popular in japan beforehand, kep1er are really popular in japan too! regardless though i'm excited to see what happens in the future for post-kep1er, because the girls are really talented and i think they have a lot to offer

[@AnimeVideoGame55532]

I think the whole thing with people criticizing female idols for not being good at everything is really sad. On the flip side, if a male idol is good at more than one thing, people only focus on what they do the best. Taemin is an exceptional dancer, but people hardly ever mention how good his vocals are. Leedo in ONEUS is a rapper mainly but his vocal range is very good when he sings. Mingi in ATEEZ is a rapper, but he is also one of their best dancers. Haechan is a singer but very good at dancing. It's really said that idols, male or female, can't be appreciated as a whole.

[@happytobehere4752]

okay the last opinion reminded me of mnet groups, while hyewon/hiyyih....etc were painted as talentless and dragged through the mud to this day, i never saw kpop fans hate on idols that clearly were rigged in and are nothing more than a pretty face. (you know exactly who im talking about. same goes for other groups like twice who got backlash vs groups like nct who are full of filler members and i can name them all

[@sotysnooze]

ıs there any bad encores that ı can watch? ı really don't know any

[@Straw_cherry]

More and more twice,unforgiven lesserafim

[@sotysnooze]

@@Straw_cherry thank youu

[@Vanilla_Baker44]

Queendom Puzzle is a misfire since the GP doesn't care that much about these kinds of shows anymore. They are too many of them and most are similar. They need something new and innovative. Queendom and Kingdom were new/fresh in 2019, but not now it's been done before.

[@auroriiiia]

The second one is already true, you see how many people have backed down from stanning them when they sued their company? How many people no matter what you tell them believe the ceo's media play and are on his side? How many people nowadays won't bring up fifty fifty when talking about other people's success because they're going through a trial? The minute it wasn't just "unknown girl group becomes huge from a small company" but "girl group sues their company for not being transparent about finances" and suddenly that token stanning becomes hating on the group, because they're not having their rags to riches storyline anymore.

[@poroounicorn6568]

opinion 5 been always like that in the music industry in general

[@makeart-notwar-6732]

these opinions are as tame as a day old lukewarm sparkling water

[@Yoonjoying]

I high key agree with the fifty fifty one, they are gonna be famous but hated too

[@makaylayounger9951]

THIS‼️‼️

[@cnlaiza3297]

The opinion 5 is SO true omg

[@confused7970]

The last opinion is a general thing, women all over the world in every profession are judged and expected to be perfect more often than men

[@p0rnany0ne]

expecting idols to sound decent when vocals are low on priorities Lower your expectations Groups openly advertise that they have one, maybe two good singers Tied to second opinion Again, People don’t care if the music is actually good They care about the popularity and storyline Applies to third opinion too

[@plantadelbosque]

While I do agree with the point itself, that women have to be three times as good as men to receive the same amount of respect, I kinda disagree with the Lia example The reason she gets so intensely dragged for her dancing abilities is because she is in a dance-intensive group, were vocally rich parts are practically nonexistent, not necessarily for being a women Lia would be perfectly fine in like 99% of groups, and I doubt people would attack her nearly as much (although yeah, toxic people who would be toxic just for the sake of it would try to bring her down). But because the gap between her dance skills and the ones of her members (who are all main dancer material in their own right) makes the difference super noticeable, and thus, people treat her like she was the worst of the worst. Doesn't help that the songs have barely any vocally rich part (a la nmixx) where she could show her strengths, so she is stuck with dance tracks that only highlight her weaker aspect. I 100% blame JYP for that though, cause they put her in Itzy, and the fact the company put her in that position is beyond me, cause with the years of experience, I cannot fathom them not predicting this outcome. I do feel that in this particular example (a skill based group with a member who isn't good in that particular skill) the member would be dragged no matter the gender. Now, is the level of hate she is receiving higher for being female? yes. That is also true

[@gahkko]

I agree with everything except the first one, where you put LSF as the group. - Chaewon and Yunjin sounded excellent in almost all of their performances (besides the one where Yunjin had a cold) - Eunchae sounds fine, she isn't a Haewon, Ningning or Lily M (who trained for AGES btw, Eunchae only trained vocally for 1 year) but she isn't unstable and doesn't makes your ears bleed. - Kazuha only had 3 months to train before debuting and she's more of a Rapper/Dancer/Visual anyway. I really hope Source stops pushing her in the next comeback because she obviously cannot handle all those lines and hopefully she gets better - Sakura definitely developed horrible singing habits from the 11 years she spent without having any vocal training. Bestie's vocal chords are probably on the VERGE of collapsing. I hope people stop bashing Kpop girlies for their vocals (Namely IVE, Le Sserafim) when they're not even that bad - they probably just have 1 or 2 bad days which is normal cause they're human too lol

[@Verowinday777]

The problem that LSF barely sing live since after fearless era (their debut era) ! ,they had no live stage for antifragile and only one live stage for unforgiven.

[@KurapikaSakura]

Which app do you use to make the videos? You're the most respectful ktube chanel I've seen so far so I wanted to ask..

[@green360z]

So what if the idols fell short vocally? Mind you, we are right for saying an encore is for fun because it's not the right stage to evaluate them I do agree that two members, Sakura and Kazuha are the only ones who slack off vocally but that's for valid understandable reasons Mind you, Sakura had been practicing unhealthy singing techniques which could've damaged her cords for over ten years and asked for less lines. She's in the group because she contributes a lot to their success since it takes more than vocals to be a successful idol Also, Kazuha is new in the scene and has a beautiful vocal tone but she's got a long way to go because she just started singing. Mind you, she was supposed to be a rapper but because her vocal tone was beautiful, they tried to push her into singing, same as Sakura who all had more to offer to the kpop scene than just vocals Love or hate her, Sakura has one of the best vocal tones out there but isn't a good vocalist but that doesn't mean she's lost her worth She doesn't need criticism for something she herself has acknowledged publicly and is working towards. That's just hate so yes, encores are no grounds and they don't need the criticism. So far, there's few stages where Sakura has fallen short in their one year of being active so you won't ruin her name over one or two encores where she couldn't give her best Mind you, on encores that followed, she did so well

[@vangyul]

Just because Sakura is working to improve her skills it doesn’t mean she should be immune to criticism. Actually, i would expect her to not even need to improve by now, considering she’s been in the industry for more than a decade. Obviously it’s not fair to just blindly hate on her, but come on, i feel like it’s more than normal criticizing someone for their shortcomings despite having been an idol for so long.

[@green360z]

@@vangyul What she gets is hate. If it truly was criticism, it would've stopped after she got better in following encores but y'all continue to dwell on her bad performance and refuse to accept that she's improving She gets insulted so much in the name of criticism. Criticism isn't insulting someone but pointing out their mistake and if the person works towards it, we praise the person but where was the praise? Sakura doesn't need hippocrates to tell her shit. All they're doing is making her lose the little bit of confidence she has in her singing

[@vangyul]

There are people who are just insulting her and that’s wrong and horrible, but many other people are just commenting on how she still has to improve a lot, which i think is fair and you can’t call it hate.

[@rdb9673]

Please this channel and another one who also does a similar content is biased towards ive

[@hmmmk7630]

​@@green360zshe doesn't even get 0.1% of hate that Jennie gets. Imagine so many talented idols training For yrs and yrs.but idols like Sakura who has visual And popularity gets to debut without training 😂

[@tireddaily]

opinions 5 is so real

[@elsa7594]

the fifty fifty opinion aged like milk lol, they aren't even gonna make it as an underdog group. They defo are gonna disband bcuz of the controversy and nobody will work with them anymore

[@sam_u_amu]

Wakeone should sell kep1ers contract to kep1ians. Or maybe Soyeon... We'd take better care of them.

[@KATiE-xl7mx]

Dive are the new blinks

[@bourjoism3917]

The IT have a opinion?? Ouch!

[@JasonAnjelGarcia]

I like being called a snowflake

[@jinsoulforangel]

fifty fifty is a one hit wonder ..

[@soft4taeng]

We can't possibly know since they haven't had a real comeback after cupid dropped. Now the situation isn't really looking good because of the whole messy situation with the company, but we can only really tell if they're gonna be one hit wonders or not when they put more music out.

[@sa0ko434]

6:04

[@wookjinius]

I agree with all of these, except the 5th one, i disagree badly, like don't y'all see how some male idols also get hate? It's very rare, but they get hate too, for example Hyunjin from skz was called "Overrated" and some ppl said that he dances like a crazy Monkey?? Or y'all are blind? Just because a female idol gets hate for something doesn't mean they are the ONLY ones hated, cuz some male idols get hated too btw this is just my opinion and i didn't mean to sound rude, I'm just being honest

[@soft4taeng]

Of course male idols get hate too, but people hold female idols to higher standards. There are many male idols who don’t have any main or lead position and are in the group just for being stan attractors and they usually don’t receive as much hate as female idols that are in the same situation and get called dozens and useless. I’m not saying male idols don’t get hated on, but stans always expect a bit more from female idols.

[@KATiE-xl7mx]

Wonyoung and leeseo couldn't even sing live sitting down that was the worst lipsync of all time. At least others try to sing live unlike them.

[@yuqi_cottage333]

I always try to explain the truth but then I get criticism like dude ?

[@jilianmanaois9452]

The 5th one is SUCH a fact like boy idols can show there abs then when a female kpop idol shows hers or even a piece of her body shes disgusting and inappropriate? Male idols can go shirtless and have all the respect? While the female idols get hate for showing a piece of there body? Damn this world is very cruel. PLUS WHEN A MALE KPOP IDOL HAVE A MID VOCAL BUT MID DANCE ASWELL HE STILL GETS RESPECT AND PRAISE? WHILE THE FEMALE IDOLS WHO HAVE THE BEST VOCALS BUT MID DANCE THEY GET HATE?

[@sangwoossnacc9959]

TH DOUBLE STANDARDS IN KPOP!!!!

[@proofoflife7654]

There is also the illuminana *cough cough* in kpop

[@KurapikaSakura]

5th one is faxxxx

[@kafjaf6387]

Um... everyone hates BTS? I don't think that that is correct. If you look at their fanbase and the figures that they achieve it's very obvious that they are loved not hated.

[@soft4taeng]

of course they are very loved, but i'm just saying they also have a lot of haters because the more popular you get the more people feel threatened and they will start to attack you

[@hmmmk7630]

​@@soft4taengI hate BTS becz if their Fandom and Superiority complex.and their anthem BTS paved the way

[@LovelyKissess]

​@@hmmmk7630Just hate the fandom. You don't have to hate the group. I strongly dislike army, and because of them, I'm no longer a BTS fan. Plus, after their popularity their music changed and it's not really as good TO ME. But I still check out all of their songs as I do every other group in existence. LITERALLY. But I don't pay attention to them And I agree. That brag that army's feel the need to do EVERY TIME YOU TURN AROUND is annoying. They're the reason most people who don't like bts, don't like them in the first place

[@isabelayourboyfriendsheeee2791]

The wording in the title is wrong. "you don't wanna admit" sounds like your opinions are facts and people don't admit that they're true but in the intro you proceed to say that these are just your opinions and that the audience can feel free to disagree respectfully, of course. It can also be taken as that people don't admit that they agree with these opinions which is also kinda a weird thing to say. At least to me.

[@aeeeeeeeecid]

It’s just to get people to view the video, it’s not supposed to be taken literally.

[@rabielamrabet1533]

Momo gets backlash because of her encore performance.. Lisa is a nobrainer counter example to your claim