Responding to the most toxic kpop opinions on Tiktok

[@cktemple3452]

I wanted Yuna to be the IT girl but the level of popularity Wonyoung has reached is beyond any fourth gen idol. Girlie literally stopped the world cuz of a strawberry and a pizza

[@Eunwoo29409]

You get it girl

[@lavienrosewon8811]

Yuna cant being...since shin ryujin and yeji re most popular than her...jype didn't promoted them as ambassadors of brands individuels..or didn't get solo schedules well...only recent thry get but they lost their popularity

[@slayning6033]

that's also jyp fault causs they sould either burn the company instead of allowing their artists to have solo activities. (unless they have been a long time in the industry.)

[@hallooos7585]

@@slayning6033 I think it’s somewhat a good thing that Yuna isn’t the It girl cause look at how everyone is nitpicking every little thing that Wonyoung does, and Yuna might have difficulty of being herself and being happy being over analyze by weirdos

[@choerrychile5042]

i never understand why y’all measure the amount of “popularity” someone has based on how much hate they get like do u not get how dumb y’all sound 😭

[@kpopzyyy_]

No one can take Wonyoung’s IT GIRL title. She’s perfect for that title, she really has impact but talent too

[@tolanisimpson5360]

YESS!!!!

[@vixxexo6855]

Wonyoung is famous, but she has no talent. Wonyoung is famous for being from IZ*ONE and her plastic visuals. Nobody cares about Wonyoung non existing talent. Like Wonyoung only knows how to lipsync anyways. Only thing people talk about is Wonyoung’s plastic face and her scandals. Old men wants to marry Wonyoung and young girls wants to take plastic surgery to look like Wonyoung.

[@leyiapathy]

the best comment.

[@tolanisimpson5360]

​@@leyiapathy I'm saying!!!!

[@starwineryjurn]

SO TRUE

[@seempt]

You are so real for putting ATEEZ on the background your response to the first opinion bcs Ateez alone will make them deflect and eat their words. Ateez excels in every category, vocals, rap, dance, stage presence, personality, variety, discography excellence/diversity. And i'm so tired of ppl hating on Wonyoung, like leave the poor girl alone. Those haters are so jealous, they want what Wonyoung have for their faves.

[@wintoraa_]

Wonyoung has impact on kpop that no idol has ever have just at the age of 18 she endores 20+ brands and people still says that she shouldn't be it girl and i totally agree with you that strawberry one went too far and this defines wonyoung popularity and her impact and not to mention her asthetics are one of the most popular asthetics in kpop and she even has nicknames like Korea's granddaughter, Korea's princees, 1000 year idol and many more so she is the definition of the it girl you are totally right and btw your channel is awesome ❤❤

[@Useri77u7u7]

Ppl who deny wonyoung is an it girl are just lying to themselves

[@tolanisimpson5360]

On gosh!!!!

[@supercalifragilisticexpialido6]

Exactly

[@kpopzyyy_]

Also Wonyoung is really center material, she fits the position more than Sakura does. Their both sp are amazing but Wony fits center position better

[@tolanisimpson5360]

THIS!!!

[@kpopzyyy_]

@@tolanisimpson5360 I call myself one of the biggest fearnots (le sserafim fandom name) and love all members but if we are fair then it’s what I said

[@Eunwoo29409]

@@kpopzyyy_ my opinion Sakura did not improve in her stage presence like in produce48 she competed with wony but now Yujin does better than her

[@tolanisimpson5360]

@@kpopzyyy_ Right!! Wonyoung improved in her dance skills, stage presence faster than Sakura, this is not to say that she never improved, Sakura MASSIVELY improved in her dance skils and stage presence when she debuted in Le Sserafim, seeing one of her Antifragile facecams made me recognise her amazing improvements, making Sakura one of my favourite performers in Le Sserafim. However, all this I have mentioned still doesn't mean Sakura is center material, you can have great stage presence and not be center material.

[@imegacameplz]

im sorry but sakura can barely dance so idk why people think she would have placed 1st over wonyoung..

[@bullboxfactory9704]

4th gen hate is so weird like it is just fine

[@soft4taeng]

Literally! The hate feels so forced

[@laylamia]

Personally i prefer 2nd and 3rd gen but 4th gen is also really good,i wonder why someone would call 4th gen the worst gen when 1st gen exists,no offense but Rain,Boa,Lee Hyori and Shinhwa are the only 1st gen artists i like

[@deukiez]

After the pandemic people become so obsessed of play the online mean girl, they think is funny to bullying idols online

[@ayanobadass949]

​@@soft4taengTHANK YOU OMG THEY ARE SO EMBARASSING

[@FallforcupidD]

​@@deukiez YESSS

[@mnif001]

This narrative calling 4th gen untalented is seriously starting to get annoying, especially because most of the time, this statement is made to put down other groups to contribute to a hate train all while praising their faves. This argument is literally tailor-made for fanwars, and it’s so annoying

[@sarah0325_]

I will never understand the hate for Lia in itzy, as you said shes the vocalist and she fits in so well

[@Thispotatolikekpop]

Instead of rigging line ups, i think the final lineup should ultimately be decided by the judges. Yes, fans should have some influence, but they shouldnt decide the final lineup, because honestly, survival shows are popularity contests, not talent contests, so even if the most talented members were picked by fans, i doubt it would be for their skills. Also, kpop fans probably dont know of different vocal tiers and stuff like that, and which idols would work well as a group, something the judges would know.

[@soft4taeng]

I kinda agree with you but i don’t think it would work because fans want to have a say in who makes it into the final line up and if they weren’t allowed to decide that through voting, then i think they might feel less interested in the program and in the final line up itself

[@Yeri-strawberry]

YES exactly! Doesn’t this seem like the perfect compromise for these stupid rigging apologists?

[@Etherealzyo]

Rizz Ricky better make it tho

[@gabrieltaurino4657]

I believe that if a member has very few lines, he needs to have a lot of screen time and center to compensate. If a main vocal must have more lines, it would be fair for a main dancer to have more prominence in the mv (both in quantity and quality) to balance it out. I wouldn't mind that certain members sing a little bit (like 5 seconds) if they have more center and screen time than the members who sing more.

[@Augustlaster]

So Wonyoung placing first is a problem? Ummm i dont see why cause Sakura made it into izone i dont see the problem

[@Eunwoo29409]

Sakura Stan’s are fing annoying no everything is not racism and no way Sakura is more talented or influential than wonyoung and if they has sooo much problem with Japan then why did they put nakomi.hyewon and others

[@tolanisimpson5360]

​@@Eunwoo29409 I'M SAYINGGG!!!!

[@lavienrosewon8811]

​​​​​​​​​@@Eunwoo29409 rumor wonyoung is one quarter taiwanese,mnet dont care if the center is korean or no ..look at zhang hao is zb1 center in mnet survival show...wonyoung is better singer than her...i think mnet did great job....sakura didn't get backlash in izone with her lines or singing cause she isn't great vocalist as center also they hide her weakness...no hate I know many people will compared sakura as weak center if she was chosed as center by knetizens and international fans for her skills in dancing and singing (she was one weakest dancer in izone with hyewon)

[@vangyul]

This might be an unpopular opinion but i never really believed Mnet rigged the center spot cause they didn’t want a foreign center. It just makes no sense and there’s no proof to support these claims, it just seems like something salty Sakura stans throw around just to discredit Wonyoung. If Mnet had a problem with Japan they would have never made a show in collaboration with AKB and their idols. There’s literally no solid proof they didn’t want a foreign center, so i’m not gonna believe baseless claims when there’s no evidence.

[@Eunwoo29409]

You have brain some people dont

[@thesimple1818]

i see sakura singing and i wonder how people convince themselves the reason she didn't win was because of rigging?

[@hallooos7585]

@@thesimple1818 It isn’t about singing it’s about popularity and Sakura is by far the most popular person on Produce 48 and everyone knew that she would be center considering she has a large Japanese fanbase while Wonyoung was just new to the idol scene and against Sakura who was an idol ever since she was a child and also had a large fanbase it just didn’t sit right

[@hallooos7585]

@@Eunwoo29409 If you did then you know that Sakura would have been #1 ever since she appeared on the show considering she already had a massive Japanese fan base and is one of the most popular artist in Japan, and everyone on Produce 48 knew that they couldn’t get to her level of popularity considering that everyone on that show was new to the idol scene or never had a whole country idolizing you, imagine if a BTS member joined Boysplanet and that member somehow made it 2nd in the final lineup wouldn’t you raise an eyebrow considering that every BYS member already have a massive following??

[@empireblue2968]

people have been saying this exact same thing since the show ended its not unpopular

[@gwen6140]

about #4: wonyoung ranked in the top 12 EVERY SINGLE EPISODE she had a massive improvement she had beautiful visuals she was extremely talented, especially for her age Wonyoung deserved to be the centre just as much as Sakura, perhaps even more. Not sure why Sakura stans are still bringing this up.

[@vronji]

ngl i understand the vote rigging thing probably put wonyoung in first when she wasnt, but whats done is done. she is an amazing center and tue best izone could have had.

[@samcarmen]

Opinion 2: Being the IT girl has never been about talent, in the past, and it still doesn't. No IT girl has ever been labeled as such because of their talent, but because of their visuals, popularity, marketability, and influence. Before, it could've been considered to be Yuna (itzy), but ever since Wonyoung debuted in IVE she quickly took that spot to the point where her IT girl status can't be compared to other idols

[@i1sha]

Tbh I still see Yuna as the it girl along with wony, if jype will start promoting ger out pf the blue she'll definitely go places.

[@2FullMoons]

Our favorite ktuber is back once again spitting truth. First of all, yes, I am SO tired of this narrative that 4th gen is untalented, just because there is a strong focus on the visual performance aspect, that doesn’t mean there is 0 of anything else, on the contrary, IMO this generation is the most diverse ever, there are strong dancers, performers, vocalists, models ( cause yes that matters too! ) etc, anything that you could ever want, there is for you to stan. Second, Wonyoung IS the IT Girl of the 4th gen, the fact that it’s even under debate tells you enough of how seriously this title is given to her. An IT girl cannot be manufactured, Starship did not set itself out to make her that, she JUST became one, just like Jennie and Suzy, for whatever reason, people care about every single move they make, and you cannot force people to be obsessed with you, they either are or they aren’t. Also, I see a lot of stans of other groups say how their fav is the IT girl of the 4th gen because they are more ‘liked’ but that means nothing because being an IT girl is not just about the love you get it’s also about the hate. For example, Lisa is way more popular and loved than Jennie but she does not have the same kind of impact Jennie has on the kpop community & general public. And third, I am so sick and tired of the Lia slander like what do ya’ll have with this girl? She is a good vocalist, has a beautiful vocal tone that adds so much to ITZY’s songs and is not even a bad performer. She improved a lot but it’s like with IVE, people will never give ITZY the credit they deserve, constantly nitpicking at them to find a problem. I feel like the kpop community is dead set on a narrative about them and won’t let go, I am afraid that even if the girls have a great song in the future people will still call it a flop just because it’s the thing to say about ITZY. So tired.

[@soft4taeng]

It bothers me so much how people treat Lia because i swear male idols aren’t held to such high standards. If a male idol is a main vocalist and he’s not that great of a dancer people are okay with it and they accept the fact he’s mainly focusing on his vocals, but when it comes to female idols it’s like they’re always expected to be good at everything and to always be all rounders. As for Wonyoung, like you said, just the fact that her haters ALWAYS bring up her name to try and prove she’s not an it girl just tells you she’s the standard for it girls.

[@deukiez]

I think this massive hate is on all JYP groups, I don't like to point out fandom names but I notice that many fandoms wants badly they downfall, and sneakers unfortunately just give them the taste of victory is sad because is not the girls fault, I'm not a midzy I feel pity for the girls and I can see this is affecting they confidence

[@Slayoon]

1. Not to mention that a lot of 4th gen groups are involved with the creative process of their music such as Skz, Ateez, Idle, LE SSERAFIM, AESPA, treasure, TXT, and even New Jeans. Majority of first and second gen groups during their era would have never even thought of picking up a pen or producing their own music for their groups album. 2. Whoever made that opinion clearly doesn’t know what an “It girl” in Korea means. “It girl” is not based on talent. “It girl” is about having amazing visuals, great popularity, and MOST importantly having influence in the fashion industry. Whether it be influence on what other idols wear on stage such as Kai setting the trend for male idols wearing crop tops or influence on everyday people’s fashion such as Jennie’s hair clips. An “it girl” also has to have many solo brand deals which Wonyoung has. Not to mention international stans are not the ones who pick the “it girl” of K-pop, KOREANS are and they’ve decided Wonyoung was the 4th gen “it girl” a long time ago so there’s no need to still be debating about it. 3. Momo has my favorite voice in TWICE and I had already came to this conclusion when I first joined K-pop and before I knew about the Momo encore singing scandal. I always saw people saying Momo is a bad singer but I always felt like people over exaggerate it. Momo is no means a good vocalist or a vocalist at all but imo people are being overly dramatic. I don’t think Momo should have “less lines”. She should be given more rap parts because she’s actually a great rapper. I personally like her rapping more than Dahyun and Chaeyoung because she has a nice flow and the other rappers in Twice sound like they’re talk singing. 4. I don’t think Sakura not winning had anything to do with her being Japanese. Plus whether she got robbed of the center position or not Wonyoung was still the better choice for center because at the time Sakura genuinely lacked stage presence while Wonyoung’s stage presence was always good. 5. I agree. Red Velvet are not rappers and all they do is talk sing. Let them just stay a vocal group. 6. Lia fits the concept well which is why I think she was added. But I do think talent wise JYPE could have chose someone different. Lia lacks in dance and vocals in GENERAL. Again I’m not just talking about compared to her members her dancing skills are lacking or compared to her members her singing skills are better (which it is) but in general she is genuinely a weak main vocalist and dancer. But I think JYPE chose her because she fits the concept, her visuals, and because she has good variety skills. Could JYPE have picked someone who at least is on par with the other members in terms of dancing? Yes, but I still wouldn’t have want ITZY to debut any other way. The 5 of them are great together. Sometimes it’s not about the talent when picking trainees.

[@serinemadoui8675]

finally someone with some critical thinking in this community !! It feels refreshing tbh, that's why I prefer ytb kpop over tiktok kpop bc some people there can just slap a random fancam with the most stupid statement on it without any developpement creating a fanwar in the comment section and call it a day but yeah ig even ytb starts becoming like that with the shorts thinggy but hopefully it won't be as bad as in tiktok where people lack originality and creativity and are desperate for some views

[@mahi05399]

I recently came across on a very ridiculous video naming idols who are "company favourites" and there was comment saying that "pd48 was conducted to make wonyoung the winner and let her debut with a huge popularity and that starship paid a huge amount for it" and even worse that replies were agreeing with the op and the comment literally had sone 4-5k likes...like wth??? I don't even know what to say anymore. And one more thing Wonyoung is 4th gen it girl, and she'll forever be, no matter how much k-pop stans deny it.

[@Yeri-strawberry]

Ppl are literally crazy and will do anything to badmouth WY

[@mahi05399]

@@Yeri-strawberry no cuz fr!! ☠️

[@c._.lover.]

honestly why would pd48 go thru such measures just to debut wonyoung? 😭 im crying these haters are literally so illogical!

[@kavitapanchal8422]

As an Atiny i can guarantee Ateez excels in everything ❤

[@tolanisimpson5360]

They really do excel in everything and I am so proud to be a fan of Ateez.

[@Satellit3]

When will kpop stans understand that being an it girl isn't about talent 😦 It's someone pretty, fashionable and rich that everyone knows, be it because of positive or negative reasons. Wonyoung is young, beautiful, rich and more importantly extremely successful, being the most searched 4th gen female idol in korea, japan and the usa aka her biggest market and the third most searched 4th gen idol with an extremely thin difference than the top two. You don't get to pick and chose who's an it girl just because someone's your bias. tl;dr : it girls are supposed to be impactful and popular and that's something wony obv is

[@katgreer6113]

im surprised about the usa one but yeah. Its never about talent.

[@2xsunny]

No one is taking Wonyoung's spot at the top as 4th gen's IT Girl, period.

[@tolanisimpson5360]

FACTS!!!

[@goldenhandkerchief]

Well I think different generations of kpop deem different things more important. Third gen for example was all about vocals/rap and the dance wasn’t as important, whereas in fourth gen they really put an emphasis on dance/performance and put vocals last, that’s not to say that fourth gen is bad vocally they just aren’t as good as third gen, which I guess for people who enjoy listening to vocally good groups don’t really have loads of fourth gen groups to listen to other than a few popular grps and nugu groups.

[@jinsouloutdidurfaves]

Red Velvet's rapping is actually good in my opinion. Especially in Ice Cream Cake, the rap was so good.

[@snowyblossom5]

I agree, sometimes the raps are out of place but I usually enjoy Red Velvet raps

[@NeverlandXidle]

I actually used to think that wonyoung isn't 'it girl material' but after hearing your explanation i kinda agree.

[@Eunwoo29409]

Search hyeatiful real meaning of it girl u will see a vid with a thumbnail of Jennie Andy will know what it girl is and then reply saying what u think

[@NeverlandXidle]

@@Eunwoo29409 thank you! I just watched the video and it really helped me put things in perspective. I used to think that the it girl means someone very flawlessly talented and fierce but after watching the video i understood the real meaning.

[@Eunwoo29409]

@@NeverlandXidle yeah you know and appreciate creators like hyeatiful,Soft 4 ta eng and everglow up they are the most mature and a ray of sunshine in these toxicity and welcome

[@NeverlandXidle]

@@Eunwoo29409 agreed. Like they are some of the k-tubers who ACTUALLY give honest opinions instead of being straight up rude.

[@zhisu2665]

the comment about Momo is so real but I also feel that way about Aespa's Winter, G-idles Miyeon and BPs Rose. Sometimes their voices are so grating and make it hard to listen to them at all.

[@wywrd_mtnt]

the iz*one opinion is so...redundant cause like, it literally doesn't matter at this point. they're no longer in the same group and they're both very successful even after their survival show group where their position was determined by the ranking. like it's just an opinion to stir the pot and bring hate to both wonyoung and sakura, kpop stans are so annoying they really should just leave both of them alone

[@Yoest.1]

K stans really thought they were doing something when they started bullying a person for eating a damn strawberry. Jealousy within kpop stans needs to be talked about more

[@Yeri-strawberry]

I don’t understand the 4th gen untalented idea. Like yeah singing has become less of a priority, but there are LOTS of 3rd gen groups with only 1 or proportionally fewer strong singers. And by comparison, 4th gen idols are better dancers than 3rd gen and astronomically better than 2nd gen in that category. Sure, complain about the vocal standards decreasing since 2nd gen but “untalented”? Come on.

[@Etherealzyo]

In my opinion it’s not about some of the idols not having talent it’s about how the company’s choose their idols

[@lavienrosewon8811]

The rigged scandal p48 was dumb...i am happy wonyoung is center cause she fit izone concept and decent singer than sakura .I will never understand why wonyoung get hate for being center at age 14 yo.. Pd48 is rigged like all the survival show anyways why you dont blamed starship or mnet cause wony isn't the problem...now wonyoung is one most popular idol in 4gen..she have it factor and talented add born to shine even without solo guests in 2023 or get less lines during ive recent comebacks also she is most searched kpop female idol 4gen on Google worldwide in 2023 and this year one most searched female idol on Google and youtube korea. She have big influence in kpop as it girl

[@supercalifragilisticexpialido6]

People love to discredit her

[@lavienrosewon8811]

​@@supercalifragilisticexpialido6yes wonyoung is sub vocalist and starship give her the luck for showcase her talents well. She is still great songwriter

[@via45]

Wonyoung gets all her titles from major medias. Whilst many others are just claimed by from fans.

[@Hfthvfdvnjtv]

About momos voice, it was so exaggerated (the original post). Me personally, I like her actual voice. I feel like the reason her voice isn’t the best is because jyp tells her to go ham on forcing her voice. Because recently her vocals have seemed to improve, specifically is MISAMOS Marshmallow. Also IT girl isn’t about talent, it’s purely about fitting the kbs and being what the public thinks stunning is. And like you said, having a big impact.

[@hatake.uchiha]

i dont get ppl who say no one from 4th gen can rap, dance or sing when theirs literally ppl like han from stray kids, that man can rap,sing, dance and ppl still say there are no 4th gens who have talent, theres even soyeon who can rap hard af, she sings, dances, produces music at the same time and ppl still say there is no talent in the 4th gen, these so called kpop fans are deff uneducated and just vented online to get attention

[@annamann8659]

Thank you for talking about Kepler. No matter what happened on girls Planet 999 Kepler is falling behind because of wake one.

[@soft4taeng]

Yes they’re a very talented line up and they’re full of potential. You can’t blame it on the members if things are not going that well. The mismanagement is just crazy.

[@tolanisimpson5360]

Here's my thought on those opinions. 1st opinion: MORE THAN HIGHLY disagree, bitter and miserable much? 2nd opinion: HIGHLY disagree, Wonyoung is 4th generation Kpop's IT girl whether you like it or not!!! The way people like the original poster of this opinion go out of their way to be hateful towards her even further proves Wonyoung is an IT girl!!! 3rd opinion: Disagree, Momo is not the greatest singer out there but her voice is decent enough to listen to. 4th opinion: Highly disagree, back then in Produce 48, Wonyoung has better dance skill, better stage presence than Sakura and was one of the most talked about trainees in Produce 48. Wonyoung just improved faster than Sakura. 6th opinion: I disagree, their company are just wasting their potential by mismanagement 7th opinion: HIGHLY disagree!! How can you say Jyp putting Lia in ITZY is a insane decision when Lia has the best vocal technique/support in ITZY?

[@hallooos7585]

Yes Sakura was the It girl during the Produce 48 era because her fame was unreachable for any of the contes on that show, and when she appeared everyone knew she would be #1 because she already had a massive fanbase, but recently her popularity kinda faded and Wonyoungs popularity sky rocketed after Produce 48

[@Etherealzyo]

Momo’s voice is nasally so that’s why most people hate her voice I mean I love her voice but I don’t blame people for not liking it

[@tolanisimpson5360]

@@Etherealzyo Yes, when it comes to nasally voices, there's rarely in betweens, most people either love or hate nasally voices.

[@ahlamsdiary]

There's a whole ass thing called wonyoungism..

[@tolanisimpson5360]

THIS!!!!

[@kiwiipeachii8980]

And the Wonyoung aesthetic

[@ruruca]

and wonyoungfication

[@kwangya]

well tbh it's a term made by her fans to promote eds and pseudosciences on social media

[@noobb499]

frrr. so i did some research abt it (aka asked some girl on pintrest) and she sad "wonyoungisim is basically not caring about what others do and keep on shining like how she does even though people hate her"

[@ancientmingyu0604]

Ngl putting Ateez on screen after such a baseless opinion is a whole flex and I'm here for it, bestie 🤌🏻✨ Another thing is that I see it very often that people have all kinds of opinions on the talent on 4th gen groups but once you dig a little deeper it transpires that those people seem to exclusively talk about girl groups. Like, how can you say 4th gen sucks when you don't even take half of it into consideration? You only gotta go that far to realize that those people have zero clue what they're talking about.

[@World_is_my_Oyster]

I am proud of my govt. For banning tiktok

[@StanIVES2]

AM i the only one who really likes red Velvet raps, i really enjoy them and they sound

[@Lily-gb7jq]

0:54 i think this also has to do with 4th gen fans though. 4th gen fans are very into aesthetics so the 4th gen groups that are popular are the ones whose companies have big budgets for MVs, concepts and packaging. Choreography is also part of a group's overall visuals so companies prioritizes dance skill of all members. But to be fair, kpop has always been big on aesthetics/visuals. It's just that 4th gen is a lot more into it than the previous ones.

[@guadalupemontoya1819]

I don’t think 4th gen groups are the problem, its 4th gen “fans”/public. It sort of a generalization itself, but 4th gen fans are the ones that make certain groups more popular than others, and some of those groups don’t have insane vocalist or rappers, while less popular ones do. Take for example IVE versus Purple Kiss. IVE is huge because people make them popular, even when they hate on them, while Purple Kiss, who have amazing vocals, aren’t as popular. Not saying IVE don’t have good vocalist, just that people love to pick them apart when they don’t perform live. And the music being good is very subjective, because you can say the same of every new music era; music changes because people want innovation and they try to create new things. If I see one more person say they love TWICE, but can’t listen to them because of MOMO, I will lose it. If it really bothered you that much, you would not be able to listen to Twice at all and you would not love Twice. I have had songs where if I can’t stand a certain part, even if I like the rest, I will never listen to it just to avoid it. If anything, Momo’s voice is a slight irritant to you, not a blithe on your ears that invokes a visceral reaction. I completely agree with with Red Velvet; that is why their b-sides are amazing, because SM isn’t trying to add an unnecessary rap and just allows them to sing. As for Kep1er, I had my fears for the final line up because main vocalist material kept ranking lower then the so called “aces”, but I think the final line up is much better than the lead up rankings suggested. They have a main vocalist, some good dancers, some good stage presence, and fair vocals all around. If their company could learn to properly utilize their skills and manage them, they wouldn’t need to rely so heavily on an audience mainly made up by people who watched the show and have their on opinions on who deserved to debut, but they haven’t broken into the more general public.

[@abilea4081]

4th gen is strongest at dancing but it lacks o much in the music which all sounds the same, the rapping has stayed the same IMO but older rappers would also be able to sing and rap so that when the song didn't suit a rap line they wouldn't always shove one in like they do now. Vocals in general are bad now.

[@FoosBushra]

I feel like some idols don’t write their music and they’re just given credit just to do it. And it would be the most random member and you’re like I know damn well you didn’t write shit. And if they actually did write some thing it’s not even that much big they got so much help because some idols you just know they don’t have the The sauce for writing.

[@supercalifragilisticexpialido6]

I disagree with your opinion. When an idol just writes a few words or his or her own parts or even one word then the company writes co- wrote. Like Lisa co- wrote AIIYL. I don't think that the company will give fake credits. If this was the thing then don't you think that half of the discography would have the members name

[@FoosBushra]

Writing one word does not mean you wrote a lyric, and they probably alter A lot of the writings if they faked writing their whole discography it would be noticeable, nowadays it’s a status boost if an idol wrote some of their lyrics, because people hype up idols who write there lyrics, if some American singers lied about writing their lyrics, what would you think a whole big ass company that wants to profit from their idols would do, they even tell them to fake their personalities, a little lyrics wouldn’t be a big fetch.

[@samcarmen]

Opinion 3: Damn, that's harsh. Sure, if I were to do an objective, no bias ranking of Twice's vocal ability, she would rank 9/9, but still, she isn't so bad that her mic should be revoked. Lately, as Twice's songs have been maturing and she's been more comfortable singing in her lower register rather than forcing herself to sing high to match the pitch, she has actually kind of been slaying. Like her part in Scientist is my favorite part of the song.

[@mediverge]

5:36 all we do know is 3 was lee kaeun and 4 was han chowon i believe. i think * and * were rigged in

[@lixie3654]

FOURTH GEN IS CRAZY, fck people who can't appreciate it for what it is

[@samcarmen]

Opinion 1: That's actually literally so false. Vocal: Are Ninging (aespa), Jongho (Ateez), Keeho (P1Harmony), Xiaojun (WayV), Lily (NMixx), Yunjin (Le Sserafim) and so many more a joke to you? Just because the focus has shifted away from solely vocal ability, doesn't mean idols can no longer sing. Rap: Han (Stray Kids), Changbin (Stray Kids), Soyeon (G-idle), Jongseob (P1Harmony), and many more. Dance: (this one is the most laughable since 4th gen is known for their dancers): Chaeryeong & Yeji (Itzy), Xiaoting (Kep1er), Kazuha (Le Sserafim), Chaeyeon, etc. Also, let's not forget the many 2nd & early 3rd gen groups that also had mediocre skills...

[@vickychannnnn]

wonyoung is the definition of the word 'Perfect'. yes i said it, btw u earned a new subscriber

[@kida-x2z]

i like these tiktok "reviews" but tbh i can only watch them when im in a certain mood ya know... gotta guard my energy and all that shii TT

[@samcarmen]

Opinion 7: I feel like Itzy would've been fine without Lia since Yeji is practically treated as a Main Vocalist now and Chaeryeong a Lead Vocalist. But, at the end of the day, Lia is in Itzy, so people trying to disregard her is what's crazy and ridiculous. Unless Lia suddenly leaves, she's here to stay and people need to grow up

[@Useri77u7u7]

I love momo’s voice in rewind

[@tzune1]

i dont like momo's voice too but i dont like the fact thats she actually BARELY gets any lines. in some songs theyre pulling a bahiyyih on her, or sometimes only give her a singular line. nowadays it isnt as bad, theyve def tried to use momo's voice more in their songs and i think she has improved so much. but back then i really do believe their line distributions are really unfair to members like momo and dahyun. (yes im stalking your page 😊 sending love

[@jeonyuna20.26]

I have told you before, you say just fact keep going💛

[@detergenthwachae]

The Momo opinion response was 50/50. She should improve off stage, not on stage

[@sof9219]

1. Wonyoung is def the IT girl of 4th gen, she can sing, she can dance, she can perform, she is fashionable, she is pretty, she is famous, she is rich etc. 2. 9:02 then what is Chaeryeong?

[@lavienrosewon8811]

Lia is same level as yeji now,she regressed much in her vocal..i hope itzy get better songs and no scream parts...ruined the songs

[@supercalifragilisticexpialido6]

She didn't regress tho Lia is D- ranged by Yeji is E/E-

[@lavienrosewon8811]

​@@supercalifragilisticexpialido6no lia is e-..many vocal coach said that

[@en-Jande]

Wonyoung IS the IT GIRL, period .

[@i1sha]

I've always seen Wonyoung and Yuna as the IT girls of 4th gen. And i still believe that if out of the blue jype will start promoting yuna, she'll definitely go places.

[@LuluPupu-eq3mu]

Same

[@haleyhutchinson8302]

For Momo her voice is at listenable in some songs but in others i just can't

[@Yooniverse35]

I love Momo's voice tho. I look forward to her parts when I'm listening to twice songs

[@Etherealzyo]

0:47 The 4th gen is definitely the worst but not for some of the reasons they stated like the fact the female idols and male idols can’t interact without starting dating rumors and they fact that people are always bashing other kpop groups to uplift there favs

[@orangeyeji4238]

Kpop stans have always been toxic, yes 4th gen stans are annoying but armys blinks and exo-ls were (and still are except for exo-ls) NIGHTMARES💀 Now I agree that it’s annoying that we don’t have mxg interactions but idols still interact, look at ateez and stray kids or txt and enha and a lot of other idols are friends with each other ! Also the challenges on tiktok and insta we get are amazing ! Like that one Changbin x nmixx love me like this, just iconic. Anyway I find it unfair to call 4th gen the worst yall too hard on them

[@Etherealzyo]

@@orangeyeji4238 4th gen is the worst mainly because of them not having any freedom yes they do tiktok challenges together but they can’t go out in public together especially if it’s a female idol and a male idol

[@orangeyeji4238]

@@Etherealzyo I think that's a little too much to say :/ Like as an example Sana and Chan are good friends and ppl aren't toxic about it and it was like this for other gens too, yes it got way worse but still

[@Etherealzyo]

@@orangeyeji4238 Worst ≠ Bad, what I mean is that the 4th gen is the worst out of the all the gens in terms of freedom and talent

[@ccsbm208]

You think there were no dating rumours and comparisons back in older gens?

[@tonyn1628]

4th gen gg are def not as well rounded as previous gens. yes, there are a few standout for rapping, singing or dancing, but i dont believe their companies are focused on being idols, but more on becoming brand ambassadors or social media stars. you have gg that are focus so much on social media and brand ambassadors (newjeans) that they are pushing little girls and posting fake brand endorsements on their social media accounts. of course 4th gg are better dances bc they lip sync so much, it is easy to just concentrate on dancing when you dont have to sing

[@supercalifragilisticexpialido6]

There are 4th gen groups who are well rounded tho. Like NMIXX and Baby monster

[@tonyn1628]

@@supercalifragilisticexpialido6 yes, NMIXX is well rounded but not better than 3rd gen gg like twice or red velvet. how do you know baby monster is well rounded when they have not debut yet. knowing YG .. baby monster is going to be rap heavy like BP, so no way they are well rounded.

[@jhiaka9888]

I think what opinion 7 meant was lia doesn’t fit Itzy. I thought the same thing at their debut when they had her singing in a higher tone that got her dragged and always gave Yeji the hard notes, they wasted her potential imo. She’s the opposite of her group which is weak vocals & good dancing (she’s the opposite) so she’s needed for her vocals to help the group but not prioritized. Her tone and style don’t fit itzy especially when they were singing higher songs.

[@leyiapathy]

i dont regret subscribing to you a long time ago already

[@hatake.uchiha]

aint no way ppl got mad bc sakura didnt come first in PD48, she literally debuted with izone so whats the problem? these fans man are bored with themselves fr

[@Stay_Zerose]

I think the Lia opinion has gotten even worse with her extended hiatus, because Itzy had good comebacks without now everyone acts like she brings nothing to the group. No sorry a group can do well without a member but that doesn't mean they would have done worse with them, in fact you could argue that it would have been better with them in it.

[@samcarmen]

Opinion 6: People need to stop hating on Kep1er to try to seem edgy and actually place the blame where it's deserved: fans that fell for MNET's evil editing and WakeOne for mismanaging them and making their idol careers kind of a shit show. Kep1er aren't even untalented, their discography is just all over the place. Songs like Wa Da Da (although catchy and having grown on me) and We Fresh should've been left in the drafts. Giddy should've been released right after Up and they should also make a Chinese debut if they want to cling onto the gloal kpop group concept they tried with GP999. Even if the 9 of them aren't necessarily the most talented 9 from the show, they are still all talented except WakeOne is giving them crumbs, but are trying to pretend it's a full meal

[@makeart-notwar-6732]

mnet compensate their voting manipulations with evil editing

[@aainibbbbbb]

momo’s tone she uses in twice songs are tones that aren’t suitable for her, she can be good at singing but they give her lines that are an uncomfortable tone for her. kzbin.infoJzf7Dqmdcuc?feature=share also, rapping is way more suitable for her, she absolutely ate marshmallow upp

[@hrtjunnie]

wonyoung is the it girl but i agree shes average and theres so many others who could literally do it all. it girl is never about talent though

[@zhisu2665]

I'm a huge Reveluv but their rapping has always been awful, 98% of idol rappers cannot and should stop.

[@Snoopadoops]

Agree with the 1st opinion. You brought up 4th gen's dancing skills as a rebuttal to "4th gen is bad in all categories", but that's part of the problem. While I like some 4th gen groups, they mainly focus on performance and visuals rather than singing and the music itself. It's true that 4th gen has some exceptionally good dancers, but so did literally every other generation so that's not really a strong counter argument. In fact, the most popular kpop groups of all time are known for exceeding in all categories. if "dancing" is the only thing that can be used to back 4th gen's lack of skill in every other category, that speaks for itself.

[@Eunwoo29409]

First 4th time How do I know u r gonna post subliminally

[@bradstick3505]

is it bad that I agree with these takes?

[@samcarmen]

Opinion 5: This isn't even toxic, lmao, it's just true. Don't get me wrong, they have some iconic raps (Red Flavor, Psycho), but ultimately, their songs would be so much better (if that's even possible, lol) without raps at all. None of them are strong rappers and all of them can sing, so I don't see the point in them having so many raps that just don't fit the song.

[@KELLYOFFICIALACC]

What do you use to edit your videos?

[@rdb9673]

PD48 was rigged though. it's a fact

[@soft4taeng]

yes it was, but we don't know the real rankings so speculating about it is just gonna lead to certain idols getting unnecessary hate for something that wasn't even their fault

[@Hitryynorman]

To me wonyoung yujin and rei are it girls

[@vim2339]

I skip any song with momo 😂

[@swee_bee]

...so all songs?

[@manogaming6534]

​@@swee_bee😂

[@Eunwoo29409]

4th gen has skills comparatively better than 3rd gen

[@soft4taeng]

It’s kinda hard to determine which generation is better, especially because in the end it comes down to each specific group, but i just hate how people always have to find a way to belittle 4th gen idols and their skills

[@Eunwoo29409]

@@soft4taeng I can say after seeing each idol and after careful examination in scientific labs here is my conclusion In 2nd or 3rd gen there were very few all rounded idols , idols who were good at dancing had pretty bad vocals and it was okay but in 4th gen na na na Lia a good vocalist and pretty decent dancer but no people don’t like that so even though 4th gen still has the same talent in main position but they are also pretty all rounded or they don’t completely suck at other positions

[@Eunwoo29409]

@@soft4taeng these are opinions of Wonyoung haters mostly I saw that most of wonyoung haters Kanye Stan’s say this opinion tbh 4th gen is way less focused on visual than 2nd gen

[@Ginpachirah]

Lia is a SHAME for the title of "main vocalist" girlie has NOTHING to bring on wigh her vocals even without dancing

[@yurikicho7675]

she’s the best vocalist in the group, making her best fit for the position.

[@sofiahaque7990]

i would like to apoligize for my previous comment i never followed along the show produce 48 or the drama surrounding it and i saw a few videos and read a website that showed the actual rankings so i believe that and posted it her i apoligize for spreading misinformation

[@lavienrosewon8811]

Rigged or no...sakura isn't center material even in lesserafim..her vocal lack much for idol have 12 years carrer..i think this is better for her,mnet dont give her place as center..she should get ton backlash as center with her skills if she get that...esp in encore

[@laetitiac9890]

@@lavienrosewon8811actually even though she is not a good artist she is very very popular

[@vangyul]

This is literally fake, the rankings have never been revealed, not even for Produce 101 season 1 and 2. Mnet has always kept it a secret to prevent certain idols to get backlash.

[@2FullMoons]

This is not the real ranking, it was never revealed. Even this article says ‘allegedly’ because this is nothing but rumors.

[@MochieeeMoon]

Pls stop spreading this as it facts, when it’s just a rumor.

[@isha.sarraf]

I think wonyoung is ur fav in most the the video i see u praising her ..

[@Sizhui-mg6hc]

imagine a timeline where X1 was not rigged and Mingyu was not rigged out 💀