IF THE BEAUTY STANDARD WAS REVERSED

[@PillowcaseOfBricks]

"guydeals" and "girlspectations" are my favorite thing ever and I need people to combine words more often.

[@luvsx.]

​@allanmccoy-ip5ud fym part 2, what r u yapping about blud

[@Dyongi]

@@luvsx. blud they jus like the silly word combos hush

[@A_RandomNobody]

Wdym we need to do that more often? We've already got tons in the English language! Shepherd: sheep + herd, holiday: holy + day, none: not + one, and so much more! /j Btw if some of this feels sorta familiar it's cuz i actually got the idea from a yt short lol :P. And oh yeah. someone pointed yt shorts ain't a great source of knowledge and i totally agree, so just take it with a pinch of salt. And not flaunt it in a way that could get you k.o'd with a reply pointing out ur accedental bulshittary (aka don't word it in a way as if your presenting it as the correct truth if you don't 100% know that is the truth cuz u got it from a not so trusted source) I'm just sayin this just to clear up some things, even tho tbh i don't really care about this shit. Since it's not really important (to me anyways)

[@KARMAZYNA]

Portmanteau Power! XD

[@qwertyuiop.lkjhgfdsa]

@@A_RandomNobody youtube shorts are not a reliable source of knowledge, and these are some really fucking weird and misleading examples for an actual thing with solid examples. the time that comes after noon is called the 'afternoon' and a thing that shields you from wind a 'windshield!' like, 'none' is from the old english words 'ne' and 'an,' which do _translate_ and are _related_ to 'not' and 'one' respectively, but it didnt come from mashing together the modern words 'not' and 'one' like youre implying. that isnt how etymology works. similar thing goes for holiday and shepherd etymology is cool you dont have to make shit up

[@eldestmissbear4235]

The male character's face looked surprisingly similar to pictures of Greek heros. Just goes to show how beauty standards change.

[@kyubeyo]

That’s what I was thinking

[@Dr.Worm666]

Also Jamie from Cursed Princess Club on Webtoon

[@autinjones7194]

tbf ancient Greek culture was way more accepting of gay people and femboys. that's probably related.

[@iselli]

@@Dr.Worm666yesss

[@indrimza]

​@@Dr.Worm666 never thought I'd see a cpc fan here, but I'm glad

[@ActuallyRea]

Poutyface Pretty Boy blaring in the distance

[@rosesareredsilentasamouse]

oh hey someone who I swear I've seen before (online, not irl)

[@bluelfsuma]

Howdy hey, Rea!

[@solilobye]

omg i just binged your videos no way

[@CoolGuy44456]

Twink.

[@cxffaine]

he is watching, pondering, waiting…

[@astraamarante6233]

"We need equality!" **Boys now have extreme appearance standards too** "WRONG DIRECTION! WRONG DIRECTION!"

[@Crime.gril2]

XD

[@doagii]

so you mean there’s only… one direction…?😈

[@bunnyconcubus8468]

Is that a doofensmirtz reference??!

[@astraamarante6233]

@@bunnyconcubus8468 Unfortunately, no, but I wish I had a good enough memory to do that on command 😂

[@bunnyconcubus8468]

@@astraamarante6233 It's fine, if you're wondering which episode it's from the Phineas birthday episode.

[@dollsolde]

THAT GIRL IS MY SAPPHIC DREAMS COME TRUE

[@MirKat792]

Awomen 🙏

[@AdSoyad-rp1vm]

Now if she was real... :(

[@spencerwalkstothepark]

REAK RWEAK REAML REAL!!!

[@withthelambs1614]

Basically my girlfriend she's 6 ft and buff 🙏 Living the dream

[@graciefarnsworth165]

If I wasn’t ace I’d say “I can’t tell in I wanna be her or be in her”

[@Acidfrog475]

It took me an embarrassingly long time to notice that you automatically made her tan while he’s extremely pale. It’s something I learnt about last semester in art history, and now I cannot go without noticing all the tan men and pale women in art. I think it would be interesting seeing you tackle these historic tropes and body expectations in a future video.

[@djk5758]

I agree, thats another subconscious change

[@ItsMe-ce6ug]

being sporty and 'manly' you'd prob be out in the sun while the petite frail woman stays inside and does 'feminine' tasks that dont involve her getting tan. Everything's so stupid man

[@HJ-oo8ph]

Yep, that’s another interesting phenomenon with how we perceive masc/fem, and it’s got some historical roots. Having a darker shade of skin was considered “masculine” because, in white men, it was achieved by working in the sun a lot, usually by manual labor, something generally perceived as masculine. Being pale was considered feminine because it was achieved by white women by staying out of the sun (like by staying in the house or confining your work to shade) through housework or careful protection, like with parasols. It all kind of ties into the masc = manual labor and fem = housework narrative. Unfortunately, that belief was also used to discriminate against POC women, as people would accuse them of being “too masculine” simply for having darker skin. The origin of our perceptions of masculinity and femininity are very saddening but also fascinating to learn about.

[@JoanRamirez-zo3pm]

I TOTALLY AGREE

[@pixelzebra8440]

Oh noes

[@b-sidecassette]

femboy and butch art from Lavendertowne? LETS GOOOO

[@mystic_micah2608]

No kidding! It's great. She did a good job

[@moonlight_wolf5253]

YESSSS

[@zar_17c]

that's literally what i was thinking 😭

[@oreo_was_here9621]

I was about to say that she just reverse engineered every queer besties, especially the little guy lmao. He is lowkey me frfr

[@MythicPalette]

This. I love femboys so it was awesome to see one in this video.

[@squidkins4552]

That's a fire keyboard

[@Strawberrii9217]

REAL!!

[@definelizziey]

frrr!! was just about to comment this!

[@savybeanie]

The DUCK😍

[@Izo_Risu]

I WANT ITTTT!!!!!

[@rattersworld1016]

I love the DUCK

[@lisavogler581]

"I don't think the path to equality is making everyone suffer equally." PREACH

[@kitty_was_heree]

“Mewing” NOOO LAVENDERRRR STAY AWAY FROM THE BRAINROTTTTT RUN WHILE U STILL CANNNN

[@Yoimiya_Lover29]

But both of these characters are extremely attractive imo 😭

[@extaceed5961]

I think the video is proving that even when you dont fit the beauty standards you can still be exttemely attractive

[@sugar706]

​@@extaceed5961No, the video is making me doubt about my sexuality even more ahahah

[@Kairochronophobia]

​@@sugar706 it's doing both

[@sugar706]

@@Kairochronophobia yeah :D

[@impptweek]

​@@sugar706 same LOL

[@spookz26]

As a tiny girl who's been mocked by others (mostly guys) for looking like a kid, I legitimately cannot begin to believe that my height is now considered a beauty standard... Kinda speaks of how randomly and abruptly these things tend to change!

[@pouinkimir]

you've been mocked for that before?? im super small but i've never been bullied 😭fuck those guys for being like that to you

[@TheMarshmallowMushroom]

​@@pouinkimiryou're lucky af then 😭

[@bluelfsuma]

I'm kinda short, but I've never been bullied for it, because I'm scary. I always joke that people should fear the short, because they're closer to crotch punching height.

[@RAATz-]

where is being short/petite seen as a beauty standard?? i always see tall/average and curvy being a beauty standard....(or like when people say short they mean 5'2 or 5'1.. which isn't really short 😭)

[@bluelfsuma]

@@RAATz- I mean, did you watch the video? It was kinda born from the idea of girls being short being seen as a standard of beauty in recent times.

[@AmaiSimply-go3ob]

Lol, my characters very often look like this.. I don’t know why, but drawing a cute little short guy standing next to a cool beefy woman is just my favorite thing to do recently. Heck, my main OCs fall into this trope-

[@pink_seapickles3819]

Literally tho! a pair of my ocs are just 'Golden Retriever Gf who's strong as hell' and her 'Black Cat Bf who's the one being picked up'. With her being very masc and the bf being more feminine!

[@noddle4649]

the main ship of two of my stories is kind of that trope too ig Lavendertowne attracted a specific kind of audience

[@menes-ahoge]

my 2 main ocs are tall futch and 5’3 femboy…

[@krsmanjovanovic8607]

Cyborg wearwolf cynical janitor woman in her mid 40s who makes dols and dresses out of human remains in free time and when not stalking her next prey she makes toilet moonshine and smokes so much cigars she has to frequently clear her throat air filter from all of acumulated tar, she serves as high profile cyborg mercenary/assasin for mid tier space merchant guild led by eldritch mad man who split himself in two so he could compete with himself in order to stimulate growth of his guild, and is curently stuck as you know, you cant "win" against yourself lol Her squad mate and protagonist is young fu€k boy cyborg druid savant (he speaks to machines) with semingly sinister interior motive to become immortal because "being dead su€ks a$$", and he knows that because he almost died to cancer and accepted deal with the guild for a chance at getting at least few extra months of life, but no one know of his schemes (not even the audience in the begining), on the outside, he is pretty much guy who likes to indulge in clubing and driving his 200 year old Wolkswagen

[@MurkyPaintWater]

Same lmao. I have two characters that are twins, one male and one female, and the guy is more feminine and the girl is masc. Both are the same height, which would make the girl seem really tall.

[@alexisgrey3633]

Funnily enough, the girl still looks like a lot of people would find her attractive, but the boy looks like he would be made fun of.

[@Sylvainjose-satoyumiyato]

Eh, I've seen a lot of people that are into that body type in guys. Edit: im partially included??? i think im bi, but just on the more gray side

[@a_random_person17-k]

​@Sylvainjose-satoyumiyato average femboys enjoyers, people of culture 🔥🔥🗣

[@hanarielgodlike9283]

What? totally oposit for me... The girl i find ugly The boy its cute.

[@nevaehbazon9879]

i think its because masculine features are socially acceptable for all guys and girls, but feminine features are seen as "girls and gays only", like a subtle form of misogyny

[@lifeissoupandiamfork707]

I find both attractive 😭 but it's probably cause im pan and don't care what a person "was born with" or how they identify if you know what I mean djajjd

[@familyberente1407]

This is literally my taste in women and men in one picture

[@Sleepy_Rosette]

Same lol

[@ashumi809]

REALLL

[@AdSoyad-rp1vm]

As a bisexual this is win win

[@ZyonHorrorPictureShow]

This

[@GleamDrawz]

I'm asexual but fr They're so aesthetic 😭

[@Maybilene]

Its kind of weird how humans have vastly different beauty standards for men and women that even other animals would think is weird. Typically in the animal kingdom males are very colorful to attract mates. But for humans that is reversed.

[@FrankTheAmazing]

It's kind of specific to U.S beauty standards.

[@beebe_owo]

I have been thinking that too

[@Whisk762]

Yea the standards for beauty has changed a lot even just completely normal things that just about every living thing has have been made taboo to talk about

[@GibbusWibbus]

This kinda does show that features that define male and female appearances aren’t just as a result of societal view. I hear so many people say it’s just because of society, that you associate certain features with male and female.

[@UltimateKyuubiFox]

@@GibbusWibbusIt proves the opposite though?

[@cxffaine]

I just watched 13 minutes of LavenderTowne drawing a dommy mommy and a femboy and honestly i'm not mad about it💀💀

[@Suited_Nat]

… I’m pretty sure it’s less dommy mommy, and more butch lesbian or butch sapphic woman but sure.

[@aWERFRGT6545BGFG]

macsuline women and feminine men are cool i knew a couple that was like that once, they were both bi

[@cxffaine]

@@aWERFRGT6545BGFG as a feminine guy myself i have to admit that yeah, we’re pretty cool 😎

[@beanbean647]

real

[@ashumi809]

@@aWERFRGT6545BGFGme and my boyfriend are both pan- he looks very feminine and pretty but he won’t wear the dresses I give him 😞 /jjj

[@zsofiaszabo8317]

I find both characters in this video incredibly attractive and I don't know what to make of that. Also what a keyboard! So cute.

[@kitkat8669]

If you're attracted to both of them, there's a chance that you're pan- / bisexual!

[@kitkat8669]

^Speaking from experience lol

[@antlerthyme]

@@kitkat8669It's not even the bisexuality question, I think the more noticeable thing is finding men and women who are very gender non-conforming very attractive. I personally identify as queer/bisexual because it applies but I am most attracted to androgynous and gender non-conforming people which is interesting to notice in yourself

[@Vesperad0]

To me, gender non conforming people regardless of gender identity are incredibly attractive. Like I can see how people like masc guys and fem girls, but what are essentially tomgirls and femboys as well as androgynous people are so much more intriguing lol

[@kitkat8669]

@@antlerthyme oh shit, same!! Androgynous ppl are so fucking attractive, it's really a shame that I don't live in a place where it's safe for people to look like that :(

[@Danariya1]

Wait a sec. This is how 85% of my m/f OC couples look like

[@thesoutherncowgirlpoet]

I'm glad you did this! I have more "masculine attractiveness" than I do feminine traits. I'm tall, almost 6", broad shoulders, large muscles, chiseled jaw, tall nose, defined brow-bone, and large hands. These attributes have always made me feel less worthy and less beautiful than any other girl. I've learned that beauty standards suck and I'm okay with how I look now.

[@Very_Silly_Individual]

Sounds like your a country girl, lol.

[@4NT1D3PR3SS4NTS]

As someone who actually likes the opposite of the beauty standards for guys and women- this art is a 5 course meal to my eyes

[@coIours_]

REAL!!!! i love this art nomnom

[@novu6196]

TOMBOYS AND FEMBOYS FTW!!!

[@macchannnel12]

Same

[@FRUITCANOPY]

Same

[@WoodlouseFairy]

Same

[@additionson]

I like how every place has different beauty standards because even if you aren’t considered the beauty standard here you definitely are somewhere else

[@KitsuNerezza]

This is something I've observed when it comes to comments I get on my very pale/porcelain skin tone; I've had some people ask me how I kept my skin so fair and clear when they liked the look of very fair skin (which often aligned with the standards from their countries) and that's always a stark contrast with the ones here in Western Europe, where being tan is usually seen as the attractive standard; and where it's common for people to use tanning beds to achieve that while other countries do the opposite by bleaching their skin (both of those methods can be harmful though and I don't think there should be as much of a pressure to change one's natural skin tone, I'm all about embracing it instead!)

[@KingOfTheKindle]

@juliab3326overweight is not at all hated everywhere, and the general amount of fat considered “overweight” varies by culture.

[@akankshya13]

that thing you said about posing and stances and how it’s considered ‘masculine’ to be “open” in your stance and take up more space while it’s ‘feminine’ to emphasise your petiteness, look as slender possible and fit as compactly into space as possible was. wow. really eye-opening. it’s so commonplace it doesn’t even register as something worth questioning, but it does reflect so much about societal expectations of masculinity and femininity.

[@ellie8272]

As a trans person comments like this are so fascinating. Something I have to put conscious effort to do every moment of my life to be seen how I want to be seen not even being acknowledged by most people is wild It really goes to show how brainwashed we all are by beauty standards

[@LemonMori]

Oh fuck am I a femboy?

[@zeapringle]

@@LemonMori _gives you a maid dress_ *wear it.*

[@Not_a_Femboy._.]

​@@ellie8272why do you have to put conscious effort into it

[@Not_a_Femboy._.]

​​@@LemonMoriit is what it is, put the skirt on.

[@shark_girl]

The funny thing is, they actually were like this once. Historically, men used to wear heels, wigs, makeup, gowns, and stuff that nowadays is seen as feminine and girly while women wore things that are considered traditionally masculine today. Funny how much those standards have changed.

[@_-.Squid_Face.-_]

10:36 Oh! Oh! Fun Fact! Cheerleading was actually invented by guys AND originally a male only activity :>

[@chibibble]

I am OBSESSED with your "Guydeals" woman!! I feel we as a society have been starved of women like this in media, which is exactly why I draw them so much, *especially* in my web comic. The mentor of the comic is a middle-aged, buff, motherly woman, and the main character is a fem who starts off fit and grows more toned as the story progresses. There's also a masculine enby that dresses in a feminine way, and they're dating a muscular goddess of a woman whom herself is probably the most feminine and girly person in the entire story. Point being, "hot" comes in many different forms, and I want to see more variations aside from "Buff, manly guy" and "Small, cute girl". I especially want more old badasses. GIVE ME WARRIOR GRANDMAS PLEASE!! EDIT: Wow, this is getting more traction than I thought it would. For those curious, the comic is called Crossing Worlds on webtoon. The link is in my channel bio! :D

[@sapateirovalentin348]

Barbarian crone with a axe broom hybrid to fly on

[@lamultishipper9530]

im begging what is your webcomics name???

[@cheesecakenne]

Omg i would love to read this

[@maievenkodon5488]

WHATS YOUR WEBCOMICS NAME WHATS YOUR WEBCOMICS NAME WHATS YOUR WEBCOMICS NAME PLEASEE @chibibble

[@maievenkodon5488]

anyone curious its on her youtube description IM READIJNG IT TMRW

[@silver_dusk]

Lavendertowne just made me realise the tomboy butch and gay femboy friendship\platonic dynamic is✨ flipping fantastic✨nice!

[@aWERFRGT6545BGFG]

as well as masculine girl straight/ bi dating feminine boy straight/ bi. i knew a couple like that

[@SleepyHollowKnight]

Believe it or not, I actually naturally love cute guys, like literally short (because I’m short) soft jaw, big eyes etc. Like it’s not me having low expectations, I literally prefer that over “hot” guys. I don’t know why. You literally made like my ideal guy lmao Like I don’t like it THAT exaggerated, but on paper yeah basically

[@amiable_monster]

Maybe it's because they don't give threatening vibe? Like this man can do no wrong, he just too wholesome to abuse, manipulate or do anything bad towards you(just my theory)

[@corndo9]

​@@amiable_monster People can just have physical preferences that they genuinely just find most attractive that are different from the societal standard. The same way that people who like women can be attracted to masculine presenting women regardless of their personality (i.e., not expecting them to be dominant or assertive), people who like men can like more feminine ones without it being about fear/distrust towards the opposite. I'm not saying no one feels the way you're saying, but I don't feel like this needs to be pathologized or assumed based on that preference, especially not based on what op said

[@azi6022]

Same fr

[@amiable_monster]

@@corndo9 I understand. Apologies if it sounded like i believe i know what op mindset is or that every person look out for such vibes. It was just the thing i observed with myself so i wrote it to find people out there who feel the same

[@corndo9]

@@amiable_monster No worries I didn’t think you meant it in a negative way. I just wanted to speak up because some people do try to say that in a negative way towards especially women/girls and lgbt+ people so much to invalidate them, so I just wanted to explain how it isn’t always the case and shouldn’t be assumed. But I don’t think it’s wrong for you to try to find people who relate or anything

[@hedgieandfriends1796]

Am i the only one who thinks that the beauty stander of women being 'young and youthful' extremely creepy and trouble? just some thought food. Love your videos btw ❤

[@wlwgwlwgnomesarereal]

what, are they supposed to be old and doddering?

[@JuniperGal-ek2pu]

Yeah, a little weird. I think femininity is just infantalized in general.

[@cocopus]

Am I the only one who thinks that being attracted to young looking women is NOT the same as being a PDF file??

[@JuniperGal-ek2pu]

@@wlwgwlwgnomesarereal Anything but infantilizing.

[@demo0831]

So real. shes so young looking is often a big thing for describing women i hate.

[@Eclipse-Senpai]

Pretty guys and handsome girls are the reason i'm not depressed

[@GermEat]

I do find it kinda creepy that all the expectations for women these days are basically explaining children 😭🙏 like hairless, petite, etc.

[@Waspinmymind]

Ah, because in the past women were in fact considered children. Kind of.

[@annoying-person]

I just realized that- 😭💀

[@ilove9540]

really? i thought the expectation for women these days were to have large thighs, big butts and a big back, broad shoulders and slim waist. Also hairless.

[@skull8534]

hairless = cleaness ; petite = need of a man to protect her i dont really why comment like yours exist what are you even implying about all men

[@dave-69]

not that i've seen irl.. maybe just some places of the internet.. i always hear boys talking abt chest, back etc

[@sigamigs]

*Lav reverses beauty ideals* "Oh they're still hot 😩"

[@heidokij]

REAL

[@Rumi12456]

As a bisexual girl i am thriving

[@broblerone413]

yesss they're both so attractive

[@Reddfur]

Ty for making this video! I feel like not many people realize sexism effects everyone

[@Milk-ck1wv]

I think most people do

[@TheProletariat321]

I dont think most people dont know this. Its obvious Patriarchy affects everyone. If women are expected to be docile and weak and in need of protection, Men are expected to be the opposite of that: strong and stoic. Womens emotions arent taken seriously, while Men arent allowed to show any emotion except Anger and Lust because its "feminine". This is just Feminism 101 at this point. Theres still much more to it. And I havent gotten into intersectionality because that'll take too long, but you get my point.

[@blue-uv4mh]

@@Milk-ck1wv I would want to agree but I argue too often with too many people online about the very fundament of sexism and how it even exists… (some people do in fact still not "believe" in sexism or play it down by alot)

[@Suited_Nat]

@@blue-uv4mhyeah I see that.

[@Milk-ck1wv]

@@blue-uv4mh i know some people do but I think it isn't as many as you'd think but I could be wrong on the percentage

[@Sillaycritter]

I LOVE TROPES WHERE THE MAN IS DAINTY AND HIS PARTNER/BFF IS A BIG BUFF WOMAN

[@nonstoryadict]

Okay but hear me out, musclier girls? 😍😍

[@chronicallyonlineena]

as a pansexual this video is an absolute win also i love these characters sm😭😭your real for not wanting them as romantic interests though they totally give off more cousin vibes

[@Shadowdemoninsideyourwalls]

Fr tho

[@cravinguravity]

there was this book i read a few years ago "The Handsome Girl and Her Beautiful Boy" that this reminds me so much of this idea unfortunately my parents found out about how fruity it was and took it away when i didn't know 😭 ill just buy a new one but it was a really silly little book

[@cravinguravity]

help the guy looks a little like basil (omori) thats so cute

[@justanonbinarynerd-ne9tt]

@@cravinguravity HE DOES :O

[@unknownusrname]

Go steal it back

[@undeniablycanon]

this video really shows how the world collectively views both men and women and the subconscious standards that are in place. I've never seen someone do a video like this, so this was a really interesting and fun watch, thank you!

[@beta_nd_greeble]

i was so happy when you gave the girl character body hair. it's really something people tend to overlook!

[@spartanraccoon]

never thought i'd hear "mewing" in a lavendertowne video 😭

[@dymaxion3988]

The final one of them together is so good, I love this football girl cheerleader boy dynamic

[@marigold-isme]

All these videos about women being “beautiful” brings to the light how the male view has really warped female beauty standards, as a woman it just feels creepier the deeper you look anyway, your videos are always a joy, lavendertowne! love ur art!

[@chimera9818]

Has straight male I rarely find the overly cliche girly attractive (if anything the tomboy in this video look more attractive to me )

[@mr.dirtydan3338]

Trust me, even as a somewhat hetero guy, nothing makes me more uncomfortable than hearing a group of dudes dehumanizing women that walk by.

[@r.connor9280]

As apposed to a obscene Female view? since when has beauty been a monopoly.

[@Vesperad0]

And yet the moment anyone, regardless of their own gender or age or sexuality, calls out how close the beauty standard for women gets to creepiness towards kids...they respond as if you're delusional. Like, sure bro. Desiring a hyperspecific type of woman that is essentially a child "but legal" is weird. There's nothing wrong with a shorter woman or a woman who shaves/naturally has less body hair, there's a problem with YOU. They need to stop expecting all women to look like preteens, especially when it comes to Asian women...leave them alone asian people are not fetish fuel replacements for children. Weirdos.

[@mr.dirtydan3338]

@@r.connor9280 Every facet of society is seen through the male gaze. Read up on it instead of just talking out of your biased view.

[@aceinashoppingcart]

This is also a good example of how one can mix and match if you're looking for a more androgynous look. Formfitting clothing but open/aggressive stance, bulky clothes but closed stance, deliberately chiseled features but fem clothes, etc. This was a really cool vid!!

[@MariekeNoa]

Not me looking 80% like the handsome girl.

[@Thewalkr]

There's actually a Game called Trials in tainted space were there is a race called the Kaithrit. They have extreme sexual dimorphism where the females are massive muscular and the dominant gender and the male are small, petite and feminine. Despite the fact they are highly advanced they males barely have rights and are considered to emotional to partake in politics at the same time they are extremely cuddled by their society.

[@alaska_6156]

As a bi person who likes Fem men and Masc women ik i’ll like this vid

[@Ijustwatchthevids]

same tho!

[@willie4093]

I SUPPORT this video

[@akinanishikawa6193]

SAME, but I'm not bi

[@beanbean647]

reallll but im not bi either

[@lejandario7779]

Same here, there's beauty in all kinds of people but I do have that preference.

[@kazejonin]

The male character is giving me big ancient Rome servant boy vibes

[@Sun_S3t_22_Official]

The fact that some ancient greek philosophes were actually onto those 😀 (I'll never look at aristoteles the same)

[@ballonstudios7799]

​@@Sun_S3t_22_Official lmaaaoo

[@dl2839]

​@@Sun_S3t_22_Official💀💀💀💀

[@CrakShak]

Especially the ones north of the Danube and east of the Rhine. They were exceptionally fair, and their blonde hair and blue eyes were of celestial appeal

[@TG-vt7ue]

""""""servant boy"""""" 🤔

[@frozenwaterbottles1021]

The boy design genuinely reminded me of some of my baby photos. REALLY puts this into perspective. Kind of horrifying

[@meh6513]

Well most trans women and femboys like themselves looking androgynous and that's usually before puberty...so it's less so of a baby thing and more avoiding gender specific features... Plus baby is cute not every one like sexy eye candy some just like wholesome and cute...

[@blessedandbiwithahintofmagic]

Handsome women are the most beautiful type of people, I adore these wonderful ladies ♡

[@haroldgloom8637]

On a character design level I noticed by myself and my artist friends that artists tend to draw body types and some details specifically as how they themselves look. For example, I get critic sometimes that legs and arms of my characters look weirdly long sometimes, which is a result of using myself as reference and just being a very lanky guy. It is super interesting

[@DiamondBunnyArts]

Oh my gods she's so pretty! Pretty boy would accidentally get turned into a plant via Apollo

[@djk5758]

Idk, apollo was a pretty boy

[@Alexandre0903]

​@@djk5758yeah but he turned several other pretty boys into flowers too

[@Dynex567]

I just realized this video is literally just lavendertowne drawing tomboys and femboys💀💀💀💀💀 Edit: holy this blew up unexpectedly. Edit 2: ain't no way people arguing what the proper term for tomboy and femboy is💀💀💀 it's not that deep bro

[@grianjuju9438]

Frrrrr i wanted to write the same thing 💀💀💀💀💀

[@pitwithabow-88]

That's what I was just thinking

[@Dynex567]

​@@grianjuju9438lmaoooooo💀💀💀💀💀

[@LocalGooberGoobs]

I was thinking that too 💀

[@ashleyhansen4479]

Okay, but whenever anime characters have those types of designs it’s usually a W for the LGBTQ community! Or just people who like those designs in general!

[@ashleyhansen4479]

Never expected to see a Jeff the Killer jump scare at 6:27 and it’s just hilarious yet terrifying! 😂😂😭😭

[@kirabarnes657]

since haley is EVER so good at warning about such instances, I'm checking the comments before i hit play from now on because i don't trust like that. thank you for warning others so that they may be more fortunate than us

[@6754bettkitty]

Agreed

[@redribbon2]

I love feminine boys for some reason 😭 i just think they're somehow cuter. it was fun to see lavendertowne draw them

[@wlwgwlwgnomesarereal]

fetish

[@itiswhatitismindset]

imagine explaining "mewing" and how it's in a lavendertowne vid to your 2018 self 😭

[@KaeseMelone]

she just explained the basics of tomboys and femboys to us

[@mmangalisomasinga432]

I was looking for this comment

[@RedGuy-but-a-girl-RedGirl]

I love them both they’re adorableeeeee

[@crybabydemonboy]

This is why we need more Masc-girls/tomboys and Femboy/to girls in media! Bonus if they’re dating eachother too!

[@amiable_monster]

Hell yeah!

[@aWERFRGT6545BGFG]

yass more masc girls dating tomgirls

[@ParsUmbra]

@@aWERFRGT6545BGFG Or masc girls dating feminine girls

[@tomokokurokiirl]

I agree that we need more representation of masculine women and wlw relationships, but both of those combined as you've described doesn't really set us any forward. The stereotype of a lesbian already is a masculine/tomboy girl. Making them date each other would just make that stereotype even deeper, as even now the audience already excepts more masculine women to already be portrayed as non-heterosexual since the start, or to end up being revealed as such later on. And even if they do end up dating a guy, they're still called "queer-coded" - which is really regressive of fandoms to judge someone's sexuality just based on their appearance. Same happens with feminine/androgynous men always ending up non-heterosexual, except I've been finding it usually happens in a more ambiguous way; such as attraction to another male character being implied but never showed on-screen or progressed into anything more than a crush/"best friends who mean the world to each other", or he simply ends up never getting together with anyone. Male homosexuality still seems to be a lot more culturally taboo than female homosexuality after all, just like it's been for all of history; with even examples of homophobes finding lesbians hot but gay men are looked down upon and considered less masculine. So I ended up kinda going off-topic, but my point still stands. Yes, we absolutely need to keep working on breaking gender stereotypes in general - but if that character just ends up stereotypically queer in the end as the audience would expect, we've changed exactly nothing.

[@aWERFRGT6545BGFG]

​@@tomokokurokiirl I mean the standards for heterosexual relationships have usually been masculine man and feminine woman or masculine man and androgynous woman. I think crossing taht line and letting masculine women date feminine men is a good change, i wouldnt say it changes nothing. When I was a kid I didnt differentiate gender so I always believed for ages that women and men were exactly equal in the relationship and that feminine men and masculine women were a normal couple to exist. Femininity is hated, thats why women can be masc and still be seen as cool (until she doesnt shave or wear mkaeup then she is looked down upon) but men cant be fem without people being cruel about it. Having a Masculine woman (aka a tomboy/ mascgirl) dating a feminine man (aka a femboy/tomgirl) should be more normalized. I've been attracted to feminine men for ages and back when I was identifying as a woman, that was frowned upon and people got mad at me for "tkaing the gay men away" even though I wasnt. but after I transitioned to a guy now Its seen as a normal thing in the queer community.

[@lavenderlab3174]

I love how the thing that caught my attention the most was that at the end they traded eye colors.

[@Iloveshrek10]

I don’t think you will see this but I love your videos so much and your art style is so pretty! I love your calming quiet voice (not trying to be creepy) and watching one of your videos always make me feel better when I’m sad, upset, overwhelmed or even when nothings wrong you put me in a happy motivational mood and I’m usually able to draw a few things, even if it’s just a small little doodle it makes me happy to make art and practice, I’m not exactly a beginner artist but I’m a young artist and your videos always inspire me and remind me to keep making art, so thank you so so so much you are my favorite artist and KZbinr -ur biggest fan

[@AfroX-StayLegendary]

Leblehblehbleh is literally famous for being the last Lavender Towne patron mentioned. Great video, btw.

[@MadBanana-gv5rl]

as a bisexual who’s generally attracted to androgyny, I see this video as an absolute win

[@kono_dioda87]

THAT’S WHAT I’M SAYING !!! *falls off chair*

[@Justacutelilfrog]

These designs are so beautiful! It really goes to show how beauty isn’t one objective thing and that everyone is beautiful in their own way ❤️❤️

[@sora.eats.newspaper5990]

As a guy who has more feminine traits than masculine, I've always just been seen as a "femboy" and because of that I don't really get taken seriously by any of my guy friends and I thought that might get better with all the beauty movements but nah

[@aWERFRGT6545BGFG]

that sucks. people never take femininity seriously

[@terdragontra8900]

Dang, I wish I had feminine traits tho, lucky

[@frankieloinandgroin]

@@terdragontra8900 this is literally so dismissive wtf

[@terdragontra8900]

@@frankieloinandgroin you are right, im sorry, its just funny that i don't care at all about being taken seriously, and would gladly switch bodies with him, because as it is im probably going to die alone because my appearance doesnt match how id like to act in a relationship

[@rd3munna812]

​@@terdragontra8900 your appearance don't need to march your personality you are not a Disney character. Only in animation were this is necessary because you need to know a characters personality just by their appearance

[@kyattogallery]

This might be one of my favorite videos you’ve done! Also I agree, whenever you feel down about yourself, it’s good to remember that beauty standards are always different over times and locations. I learned that when I moved to Japan and some of the features I hated for not fitting into American beauty standards became traits my friends always found most pretty. Beauty is subjective. ☺️

[@Rilesjean]

It wasn't mentioned but it's very interesting that the female character with "guydeals" is darker overall and the guy with "girlspectations" is lighter overall. Like, the unconscious bias of darker colors = masculine and lighter colors = feminine is interesting to see and realize in these character designs

[@kurokura8379]

the handsome girl looks so cool and the pretty boy is total gender envy this video was super interesting, but i loved it since some of my favorite character design tropes are masc girls and feminine guys. i'm totally gonna try this challenge sometime soon

[@rexiandtherandom8198]

Not gonna lie, i really like these designs and especially the second drawing, the girl is just not having it while the guy manages to look straight up adorable, and they're just so wholesome together

[@anabsolutebuffoon]

This has always been something I’ve noticed when I look at tutorials on how to draw men or women. Men almost always have ‘make the jawline sharper’ then women will have ‘use rounder, softer shapes’ and it’s always felt really weird??? Glad to see this get addressed.

[@shadpant9255]

No offense but what were you expecting to hear?

[@anabsolutebuffoon]

@@shadpant9255 ???????

[@JuniperGal-ek2pu]

@@shadpant9255 Well not all men have hard features and not all women have soft features 🤷🏿‍♀

[@rd3munna812]

​​@@JuniperGal-ek2pu nobody say all women has soft features and all men have sharp features. Artist are taking about averageness they are teaching male and female anatomy

[@PS3_orange_box_Enjoyer]

berserk’s character design is yet again ahead of it’s time.

[@karolinedemon]

9:32 Congratularions, you just drew my type

[@uraniumgoose]

smh she just drew me but blonde 😭

[@gliss444]

Oh

[@the_doorkno2237]

as someone who likes tomboys and femboys, I see this as an absolute win

[@cinnamonsugarcourtney6073]

This is actually something I drew for a homemade comic back in high school, I wanted to make an idealized couple who got together, but the guy was the most feminine and the girl most masculine. I kinda miss those characters, I need to find those characters again, it'll take me a while to find those old sketches.

[@nvenvyvill3698]

Did you end up finding it? Curious.

[@cinnamonsugarcourtney6073]

@@nvenvyvill3698 Unfortunately no, I think it's in a box in storage, so it'll take me a long time to find it.

[@nvenvyvill3698]

@@cinnamonsugarcourtney6073 oh…well good luck then

[@qtpi6268]

When she startedd talking about posture, the first thing I thought of was throwns (cus I read a lot of fantasy novels with people sitting in throwns on the cover, and I like drawing them), like if theres a queen or whatever, even when she looks super haughty/proud, with her chin high, shoulders back, etcetera, the legs are usually crossed, aka taking up less space than even just having them resting normally, and the guys are almost always manspreading, and another thing is they usually look more relaxed than the ladies.

[@insertwittyusernamehere3082]

the “girlish” boy is giving achilles

[@colbyboucher6391]

I like how this comment is just left unfinished

[@insertwittyusernamehere3082]

@@colbyboucher6391???

[@lav-kitty]

we getting some free pretty boy action from lavendertowne???? awesome

[@Yoimiya_Lover29]

Am l the only one who likes feminine, pretty men?? I always show my friends photos of cute guys and get judged 💀😭

[@zeke_minori]

Dw you're not the only one. I personally love drawing feminine men because I find them cute

[@ra1nb00m_h00vez]

I love feminine men!

[@jewelcurrie345]

Oh yeah, facial hair (a very typically masculine trait) is a huge turn off for me. Facial hair is good on guys I wouldn’t be romantically interested, eg guys way older than me, family members, friends etc

[@rd3munna812]

​@@jewelcurrie345 basically you want a guy who didn't hit puberty. Also guys can be masculine without having beard. Beard make them more masculine 🦇

[@SanityInsanity-ge8bl]

Same. But the thing is, I also have an attraction to women. I’m wondering if that’s gotta do with something LOL

[@LilGremolin]

Now for the twist, the girl is actually suuuuper into cute stuff and cant say no to her cute kohai, he lets her try out cute makeup styles that she feels like she cant wear cuz of her face (but once the guy tries it out on her she looks really good with it) and they both go on a slushie date all dressed up and with makeup and they both slay (i will now think about these two for forever)

[@ellie8272]

Congratulations you just took non conformist characters and changed them to be more traditional so you would find them more appealing

[@LilGremolin]

@@ellie8272 Nah i didnt change them i just thought up a cute little story about them. If you don't like it then sry thats your problem but it wasn't my intention to be rude or anything just a cute little story

[@ellie8272]

@@LilGremolin I never said it was your intention to do that, just what the effect of it was. You saw non conformist characters and your gut instinct was to give them conformist traits

[@LilGremolin]

@@ellie8272 nah instinct was to make a cute story up with them in my head

[@myrmexi_mien]

​@@ellie8272THANK YOU LOL

[@imnotadrien]

this is such an interesting idea. not only does it showcase the insane beauty standard of women in US culture but also the guys. who seem to be less talked about (I say this as an afab person don't attack me lmao) I really enjoyed this video!!

[@noahsdragonfruit]

Yes and (as a woman) it is probably so harmful exactly because it is less talked about, men almost never see stuff about body positivity

[@k1illurse1lf]

scanning for the nearest danganronpa sakura and chihiro mention 🙏🙏

[@The_Real_Prinzessin]

i really like this idea, i think i'll try it. Also I LOVE the charecters you made, they are so nice.

[@EPadraigM]

I've noticed that recently you've been turning these more into video essays with art, which i think is really cool!! It works quite well.

[@Pelicanhorrorvideoshow69420]

There's actually a YA book called The Handsome girl and her Beautiful Boy that looks at this, and it's a bit of a trip lol. And it's one of those things I've never regularly seen in literature Also talking about buff women always makes me think of Karlach from BG3 lol, which I love she's the best 😂

[@qwertyuiop-pj3dw]

There's also manga called A Cute Guy but the girl is pretty feminine as well

[@pancaqq4578]

Thank you thank you THANK YOU! Lavender, this is a brilliant idea. Completely reversing these norms of what we expect and showcasing that these beautify expectations are unrealistic, and that there is something so handsome/beautiful about a man/woman who is simply beyond what we ask for as a society in America is great. Was not a fan of the Momo video, but I have to admit that this is a good thing to do. Can’t wait to watch the video.

[@mothbrainedindividual]

What's the Momo video?

[@novelle.27]

Momo video??

[@fangirlapocalypse]

@@mothbrainedindividualProbably the one where she was redesigning Momo and Siu smth (i forgot her name the dragon from raya)

[@mothbrainedindividual]

@@fangirlapocalypse Ahh, okay

[@chimera9818]

@@mothbrainedindividualfrom mha (I feel like in that case it was more making what look more sensible for teenager to wear and someone as smart as momo )

[@b9de]

That keyboard is so cute 0:58

[@astrodude_87]

I love how for the masculine ideal woman you legit just drew Rhea Ripley. Like good news! She’s real!

[@kuusiru]

Fun idea to explore and the characters are to die for

[@booklover-il1wq]

Just opened this video and I love the idea. This is so amazing I love gender reversing.

[@hollow____]

As a femboy, this whole video made me so happy. Gender norms are the weirdest things, and it makes me so glad that they’re getting addressed. I hope we can get to the point where everyone can just be how they want without judgement. For me, thigh highs are hella cute and I don’t just want to have to wear them underneath pants so I don’t get weird looks…

[@CorvidayWolfy]

SLAY!! I (a quite feminine girl) really like feminine men, or just cute/pretty guys in general. If a man wants to wear more stereotypically feminine clothes, that’s just as valid as a man wanting to appear more masculine. Same goes for women of course. If someone’s not into masculine girls or feminine guys that’s fine, everyone has their own tastes and preferences! As long as someone isn’t walking down the street naked, everyone should just mind their business.

[@terdragontra8900]

@@CorvidayWolfy ok, but what am I supposed to do if feminine clothes look dumb on me cuz I’m 6ft tall with a square jaw? :(

[@crashb800]

@@terdragontra8900 Honestly, it's hard because there are very few examples of feminine male characters. I guess looking at men in other cultures could be helpful, especially if male beauty standards elsewhere are closer to our female beauty standards. K-pop is a potential place for inspiration due to the hairlessness and very well-kept skin. However, they are usually incredibly toned and wear traditionally masculine clothing. I think Jojo's Bizarre Adventure is good for inspiration if you mostly look at part 4 and later. It's just about the only think I've seen that lets the male characters dress in very "feminine" clothing that still looks like it was designed for a male body. Honestly, I have the same struggle too sometimes, and I wish people were more creative in terms of creating "feminine" clothing that looks like it was designed for a male body in a way that doesn't feel like a joke or anything.

[@terdragontra8900]

@@crashb800 This is maybe a bizarre thing to say, but I don’t really have interest in dressing or acting feminine, I want to act freely without any regard to what we’ve associated with either sex, and I don’t want to be expected to act like a guy in a relationship. But maybe I’m just super lazy. Are there men who dress feminine not because they innately want to but as, like… advertisement?

[@crashb800]

​@@terdragontra8900 No, I don't think there are guys trying to be femboys based on advertisement. Honestly, I just read your response on a very surface level, and I think I get what you are saying now. Honestly, I struggle a lot with the expectation of leading in a relationship (I assume that's what you mean by not wanting to act like the guy in a relationship), and unfortunately, I don't know really how to deal with that. If I did, I would personally be a lot happier, but it honestly sucks feeling like your relationship options are either lead or no relationship. I don't honestly know how that will change until girls are really socially allowed to be the ones approaching.

[@Ruemi_Taka5289]

I love drawing femboys and tomboys, this really helps me to draw them better, great vid girl❤❤

[@StarlightNkyra]

Omg I love your male-fem character, he is just so adorable and makes the transfem inside me very happy.

[@natsubprojects4425]

I'd be super interested in seeing a redesign for the guy character and how you tweak him! Both of them are really fun, but when you said "I'm not satisfied with him, I might tweak him" it IMMEDIATELY made me think "wait really? Oh shoot, so what WILL you be satisfied with? What are you thinking?" and now I'm so curious to see a "final" design!! :D

[@Satomie0_0]

I remember when I was watching your videos when I were in middle school watching the videos about art school. Now I’m an art student studying visual arts in a university. You were always and still are my favorite youtuber.

[@Lolgun2]

ngl. Ive always kinda liked when the roles are swapped in how girls and guys look (infact its kinda my preference for what kind of girls and guys im into)

[@Pensive_Scarlet]

Such a great idea, and you put so much thought into it. As a gender-non-conforming person myself, I really appreciate this sort of thing. I may never live to see the day when our culture is dominated by tomboy/femboy power couples like the pair you drew here, but I will spend my life working toward that glorious future!

[@williamdrum9899]

0:01 Ok that shy smile is too cute. I only just noticed this detail in your intro. Reminds me of Double D from Ed, Edd n' Eddy

[@demisketch1840]

This is so fun! But one thing I do have to mention is that the title made me think you were going to literally reverse the ideals (eg. Clear skin - acne). Like, it would be so cool to take this same list and design some characters with the reversed expectations of their gender!

[@Milk-ck1wv]

If lavender does this again she could definitely do aging as one of the girlspectations.

[@Taro_theGalaxyWitch]

I love your characters! Particularly the high difference. Because it reminds me of the vampire lady from resident evil, where everyone on the fanbase went 'step on me, mommy!'

[@arronisgoodboy9169]

Okay, but if this couple approaches me after staring at me across the bar saying they like my vibe, I'm swooning.

[@someutuber376]

I love the handsome girl, making girls less stereotypical and small is something I really like. Characters with opposite features than their gender would stereotypically have, is something I find incredibly attractive and unique.