Leaving Jehovah's Witness, surviving Armageddon with Baked Beansᴴᴰ | Terri O'Sullivan [Ex JW]

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7 жыл бұрын

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@thrivingexjw2061
@thrivingexjw2061 7 жыл бұрын
So happy you are free now! I was in for 40 years & out for over 20 yrs now. It's amazing to be free & be able to think for ourselves now! Much love ❣
@miat8264
@miat8264 7 жыл бұрын
I am crying that I'm so happy sweet heart you moved on and caught up with your life so young. I wasn't so fortunate. My heart warms though when I find that so many young people are waking up and helping each other. Hugs.
@faithtofaithless
@faithtofaithless 7 жыл бұрын
We're sorry to hear it took you so long, Mia. If you are in the UK and are "out", we're always looking for people to tell their stories! community@faithtofaithless.com x
@mirygomes
@mirygomes 7 жыл бұрын
It happened to me, but on the contrary. I met the congregation at 5 years old and at 16 I left, and went to nightclubs of my time, (now I'm 45) so, when I get married, return to Jehovah, because what I saw outside, in the I DONT liked. When I was born my first child I thought, what good education will I leave when I die, my stories of when I was at parties? So return to Jehovah because he gives us a good education through his congregation.
@miat8264
@miat8264 7 жыл бұрын
Miarim, does your congregation disfellowship it's members if they express that the GB doesn't always dispense truth? And is not inspired by God? And if they do not, if your daughter needs a blood transfusion and to save her life you will approve it, will they want to meet with you in the "back room"? What if you allow her to go to a birthday party of a friend from school, or join Girl Scouts, or later on she goes to college to pursue her interest in marine biology? Will your decisions be respected and allowed? Basically, will your child be forced into baptism - a contractural agreement with a publishing company, before she is of the age of consent, and if she changes her mind later, will your elders force you to shun her? Food for thought.
@mirygomes
@mirygomes 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, now tell me where I say that? If you talk about the speech the girl says about nail painting, I can assure you that there is NO such a speech, and in front of anyone I can repeat it. I have known the congregation for 40 years and have never heard anything like it. . And if the brother who gave the speech, may have been wrong, like any human being, maybe little girls can not paint their nails, but that has NEVER been said in a speech, those things are left to parents, if you talk about Personal arrangement and how it is appropriate to dress to go to our meetings and preach, but I paint my nails the color that makes me want, make up my face and no one told me not to!
@mirygomes
@mirygomes 7 жыл бұрын
As for the blood transfusions, they have told us many times that they are things that remain to OWN CONSCIOUSNESS, they will not expel you for something that you want to do to save your life, because indfinidad of times they have told us, that people are Blind and deaf is something else, no one will expel you for committing a sin unless you are repentant, and say, I will continue to do it and I do not care what you say, you have to remember that to Jehovah nobody deceives you and if you are sinful In penitent, then you deceive yourself, to God no one deceives you.
@KameronFader
@KameronFader 7 жыл бұрын
I left at the age of 23, almost 24 and went straight into a relationship for 3-31/2 years. Now single, this is my first year on my own and I am so happy to see other level headed Ex JW's speak out about this. I've subbed and even made my own video to try and reach others. Life does get better. Like Terri said, it took me years to want to reach out to other "apostates". Thank you for posting this, I send my encouragement all the way from California.
@oneerone
@oneerone 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kameron! Glad you're free too :-)
@KameronFader
@KameronFader 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing what you do Terri! I teared up a little when I first watched your testimony, I felt like I could relate to everything. You've inspired me to do the same on my channel. :) Cheers to freedom!
@charlietaylor5136
@charlietaylor5136 7 жыл бұрын
Congratulations it's been a few years since I started fading but about a year since I left for good. I started fading after I got baptised because I got so sick and after I came back they didn't care that I was sick.
@nadijadominica
@nadijadominica 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Cameron! Don’t know if you remember me...but you 100% helped me wake up for the years of brain washing! It’s insane how wrong I was about everything. Just thought I’d say hello:)
@R.Oates7902
@R.Oates7902 2 жыл бұрын
@@charlietaylor5136 I'm sorry you got sick. This is some years later, but I hope you're much better.
@bgr-n
@bgr-n 2 жыл бұрын
I feel for you Terri. Hope you can continue to heal those psychological wounds. Wish you all good 🤞
@konspiracykid
@konspiracykid 7 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed the talk and the event, well done Terri....all the best, Reuben 😀
@catherinekendrick3670
@catherinekendrick3670 5 жыл бұрын
My heart is with all of you❤️ in the video and in the comments. We can live authentic lives loving without fear , obligation and guilt.
@TigrisVoice
@TigrisVoice 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Terri, you have made an important contribution to human freedom and dignity
@genesistv5912
@genesistv5912 4 жыл бұрын
Nice: Thank you so much for your sincere yet happy words
@fuhgetabatit1051
@fuhgetabatit1051 3 жыл бұрын
Omg we need more videos and interviews like this
@observerlink4124
@observerlink4124 7 жыл бұрын
What a story! And your mother threw you and your sister out of the house just for missing a few meetings? Wow! She was really 'hard-core' j-dub!
@albertafarmer8638
@albertafarmer8638 3 жыл бұрын
Yes that's awful but if you want to get saved and go to heaven you must believe in the true JESUS from the Bible! The JW's deny the deity of our Lord and Savior JESUS CHRIST - this is deadly: if you believe that our LORD s only a created being you can NOT be saved!!! JESUS CHRIST is GOD, see John 1! HE always existed with the FATHER and the HOLY SPIRIT = the GODHEAD or Trinity. Thank JESUS for paying for your sins on the cross and HIS resurrection on the 3rd day!!! It must come from the bottom of your heart. Listen to great evangelists lke Dr. John Ankerberg and Dr. David Reagan and their guests.
@sean2val
@sean2val 7 жыл бұрын
great video thank you
@lizberry9266
@lizberry9266 7 жыл бұрын
amazing person. Really pleased for you. xx
@PhalseProfit13
@PhalseProfit13 7 жыл бұрын
I have a friend who has depression and is a witness is about 40 years old and needs help I reckon, he lives cloistered existence and is very staunch about his religious views, goes with the territory, I wish he'd wake up!
@teknogran
@teknogran 7 жыл бұрын
Great Video Terri So PROUD of you - LOVE YOU babe
@seanrathmakedisciples1508
@seanrathmakedisciples1508 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your video I’ve subscribed to your KZbin channel from Ireland ❤Keep the videos coming in Jesus name ❤
@phase2763
@phase2763 7 жыл бұрын
fantastic experience!
@ellielarkin6355
@ellielarkin6355 5 жыл бұрын
where is the uk online group. I was in 23 years.out 12 now . please pass it on to me
@gaetangenesse3673
@gaetangenesse3673 5 жыл бұрын
This is a really good story! you are one of my favorite exjw
@tjinfofrance6453
@tjinfofrance6453 7 жыл бұрын
When and where did that event take place? would have loved to attend. (About the dinosaurs, I was told they were used by Jehovah to flatten the earth. But some of my friends were told other different things...)
@faithtofaithless
@faithtofaithless 7 жыл бұрын
It was in Manchester. However if you check out our Facebook page, we are doing a HUGE similar event in London in December x facebook.com/faithtofaithless
@lingfoosing
@lingfoosing 7 жыл бұрын
faithtofaithless
@caribbeanman3379
@caribbeanman3379 7 жыл бұрын
Wow! For a moment I thought this interview was done in the 1980s. LOL
@alexiatr
@alexiatr 5 жыл бұрын
what a brilliant mind that could have gone to waste on that cult
@Esther-1914
@Esther-1914 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your amazing experience, Terri. Shining light on the Jehovah's Witnesses terrible policies is very important work. The world needs to know they aren't a benign or benevolent religion like they would have everyone believe! Cheers!
@nicosyiallouris1103
@nicosyiallouris1103 3 жыл бұрын
The days of the cult are Numbered
@bellajia223
@bellajia223 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your experience! Happy for your freedom. I joined at age 22, after years of being disgusted with other religions. It was different and warm at first. I started fading 2.5 years ago and been out almost one year👏👏👏 I left bcz of the mind control, don’t really know why I stayed bcz I was always talking with elders how I didn’t agree with so much written that is beyond what is written. I did experience being u sure if it was ok by God to leave but once I saw the faithful slave is a parable (John 12:41) I was good! No depression or sadness, just HAPPY and I actually learn more from the Bible since I am reading on my own and not misguided by their talks and literature. My heart and prayers go out to all those young and old. I hope with all of you activists that they find the courage to leave and know they are not alone
@christianaashong8963
@christianaashong8963 5 жыл бұрын
Am ex Jehovah witnesses, thanks you guys
@winniefader4602
@winniefader4602 7 жыл бұрын
Should make a homeless disfellowshipped go bag for those young ones who have nowhere to go
@oneerone
@oneerone 7 жыл бұрын
Crazy Heathen good idea! :-)
@idontcarei
@idontcarei 7 жыл бұрын
african man's laugh is so genuine
@matthewscott1091
@matthewscott1091 5 жыл бұрын
Someone correct me if I’m wrong Because I’m not 100% sure but don’t the laws in the UK sort of override a minors “right” to refuse blood if their life is endanger? Even if the parents object aren’t doctors supposed to give the minor blood? I know here in the US, though I’m sure it varies in each state most states require a doctor to obtain a court order from a judge in order to give a JW child a transfusion when the parents refuse.
@matthewscott1091
@matthewscott1091 4 жыл бұрын
❓Is being made “redundant” like what we in the US would call being “laid off”? Meaning you’re terminated (laid off) but it wasn’t your fault (like the company went bankrupt etc) as opposed to, being “fired” which is when you lose your job because of your own alleged mistake (like theft, tardiness, bad performance etc.) Are there different terms in the UK for both like in the US?❓
@KDJWTV
@KDJWTV 3 жыл бұрын
I've studied Jehovah's witnesses with Jehovah's witness off and on for 30 years.and I still believe today most of the teachings are true but I can't see myself being a Jehovah's witness in with the Jehovah's witnesses I want to be a Jehovah's witness in my own home on my own time what do I do with my life now I guess enjoy it.
@theelderscrollsnerd9066
@theelderscrollsnerd9066 6 жыл бұрын
Terri is a bit bullet rough but shes a very good activist though and i appreciate her work
@habanero6332
@habanero6332 8 ай бұрын
The only thing I actually agree with about the witnesses is the blood transfusion issue as I have a lot of medical knowledge and having blood transfusions really are not necessary and can, 9 times out of 10, be far more detrimental than beneficial. The sad thing about ex Jews is that all of a sudden they become total believers in other cults such as the medical system cult, as opposed to researching this stuff.
@R.Oates7902
@R.Oates7902 2 жыл бұрын
My mother would have helped you mom burn those books! She's deep into being a good JW. She removed a stereo from our home bc the brother in the cong who sold it to my brother smoked pot once or twice. That's demon related, apparently. It had to go. I wish I had been like you and questioned things. I'm sorry you were homeless. That is NOT right! Unforgiveable. You got your degree! Good for you. You seem much happier now. 👍
@johan9736
@johan9736 4 жыл бұрын
My best friend is caught in bondage by the JW religion. He doesn't read any books except the Awake & watchtower. What a pity. Im so confused sometimes as i see the bondage he just simply cant see. How can I help him. I try not to speak about religion, though we always do.
@mitchpol1432
@mitchpol1432 7 жыл бұрын
lol! i did that too!! kinda hide behind catholics and other religious people who might ask me stuff at service. the only way i was able to free myself from this was to wanting to defend "the truth" was trying to see what "lies" apostates were saying so i could win the arguement and shit them up haha! i looked through my own literature along with a youtuber called watchtowerexamination who had the literature and was pointing out at passages and pages. and how i never really looked through it with an open mind. so congrats to her on gettibg back on her feet and fighting the abuse. its never a bad decicion or the worst thing to do when leaving an abusive group that treats you like shit even after you were giving your all or best to the church and members. dont let people guilt trip you or try to manipulate you using your own past against you when youve made a choice that has been made up on your own. youre the only one who will be alone with your thoughts at the end of the day and have your own individual opinion. keep staying away from what hurts you in every level and keeps you away from being happy
@oneerone
@oneerone 7 жыл бұрын
Mitch Pol lovely comment Mitch, thank you so much. :-) love to you wherever you are :-)
@mitchpol1432
@mitchpol1432 7 жыл бұрын
Haha thank you T O'Sullivan​ .
@HomeroSignorini7
@HomeroSignorini7 7 жыл бұрын
Jehovah's Witnesses continue praying without ceasing: "Let your will be done here on Earth, as it is in Heaven" --- Matthew 6: 9,10.
@TigrisVoice
@TigrisVoice 5 жыл бұрын
Homero as you can see more praying doesn't answer the questions about absurdities of the religion.
@BrentRF
@BrentRF 4 жыл бұрын
What part of "let you will be done" does covering up pedophiles in your cult??? Or making ten false prophesies in god's name???? You better pray a whole lot more because your cult doesn't look very good now to the rest of the world.
@Sportliveonline
@Sportliveonline 7 жыл бұрын
Australian
@houmanshirvani4961
@houmanshirvani4961 3 жыл бұрын
truth Islams
@joanbaczek2575
@joanbaczek2575 7 жыл бұрын
i wasn't allowed jehovah witness friends, if one came over my father would beat my mother when the friend left, but be special nice to the friend while she was there so no body would believe the abuse suffered in my home. i wasn't allowed "worldly" friends by my mom, the congregation treated me like an outcast cuz parents felt i was most likely to leave the "truth" cuz my dad is worldly-so why take the chance i would be a bad influence on the wonderful jehovah's witness children, who out side of meeting had quite sinister lives but i was the bad apple you see?
@oneerone
@oneerone 7 жыл бұрын
joan baczek Joan I'm so sorry to hear this. You really had double trouble with those two parents. How parents like that live with themselves I don't know. Glad to hear you got free of the religion though. You must be a pretty amazing person to have survived all that. Much love to you x
@joanbaczek2575
@joanbaczek2575 7 жыл бұрын
T O'Sullivan i know my mom didn't have malice in her heart and parenting from a place of fear the fear was prolly put in her first by her evil mother and later my dad. My dad on the other hand could have just let me have Jehovah witness friends with out beating my mom over it, there was only one or two jehovah's witness families that didn't see us as bad risk of being a bad association, just cuz daddy wasn't a Jehovah's witness. they were just children. not like they were coming over to unmask him. funny thing is my dad had no idea how much more power he would have had if he just became a jehovah's witness they would prolly let him beat me and my mom on site infront of one elder at a time, cuz dada a brother. glad he didn't figure that one out lol
@claudetteearle3052
@claudetteearle3052 5 жыл бұрын
God has very little, if anything to do with the Bible. In fact, it is safe to say that God didn't inspire the Bible. Now the question is: who did or did anyone? If you are asking these questions, now you're talking!
@HomeroSignorini7
@HomeroSignorini7 7 жыл бұрын
What comes from God brings peace to humans who worship him! > Isaiah 55: 1-13: 1 Come, all who are thirsty, come to the water! Who have no money, come, buy and eat! Yes, come, take wine and milk without money and without cost! 2 Why continue to spend money on what is not bread, Why spend your wages with what brings no satisfaction? Listen to me carefully and eat what is good, And you will taste the best food. 3 Listen and come to me. Give ear, and you will live, And I without fail I will make with you an everlasting covenant In harmony with the faithful expressions of loyal love to David. 4 See, I made him a witness to the nations, A leader and minister to the nations. 5 See, you will call a nation that does not know, And people of a nation who do not know you shall run to you Because of Jehovah your God, the Holy One of Israel, Because he will glorify him. 6 Seek the Lord while he may be found. Call him while he is near. 7 Let the wicked his way, And the wicked his thoughts; They return to Jehovah, who will have mercy on them, To our God, for he will forgive widely. 8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, And your ways are not my ways, "says Jehovah. 9 "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are my ways higher than your ways, And my thoughts than your thoughts. 10 For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven And do not return there without first saturating the earth and make it bring forth and bud, Giving seed to the sowing and bread for eating, 11 So shall my word be that goes forth from my mouth. Not return to me without results, But surely realize what is my delight, And without fail fulfill the purpose for which I sent it. 12 For you will go out with joy, And they will be brought in peace. The mountains and the hills will be excited before you with shouts of joy, And the trees of the field shall clap their hands. 13 Instead of the thorn will grow the juniper, And instead of the nettle the myrtle will grow. This will bring glory * to Jehovah, It will be an everlasting sign that shall not cease to exist. "
@BrentRF
@BrentRF 4 жыл бұрын
HELENA, Mont. - The Jehovah’s Witnesses must pay $35 million to a woman who says the church’s national organization ordered Montana clergy members not to report her sexual abuse as a child at the hands of a congregation member, a jury ruled in a verdict. nypost.com/2018/09/29/jehovahs-witnesses-must-pay-35m-to-sex-abuse-survivor/
@devinmedeiros9466
@devinmedeiros9466 3 ай бұрын
I am a ex jw hi 👋🏻
@GLENLYNAS
@GLENLYNAS Жыл бұрын
I fancy her loads ❤️❤️
@ajrwilde14
@ajrwilde14 5 жыл бұрын
she sounds kind of Australian
@nathanter7622
@nathanter7622 7 жыл бұрын
If only people today knew the historical origins of their religion, they wouldn't have followed it, and just studied it as a historical event and subject and nothing more. Judaism has roots from canaanite/sumerian myths. Christianity was a re-translation of Persian Zoroastrianism into Judaism. Islam was a amalgamation of christian and jewish literature, formatted Manichaean theology, and Nabatean religious rituals. Do more research in order to better understand what I am saying.
@MrDURAI12
@MrDURAI12 5 жыл бұрын
+ Nath Anter Well said,Nath Anter! I have also been researching the subject for some years now and your comment has helped me to come to a definite conclusion.
@joanbaczek2575
@joanbaczek2575 7 жыл бұрын
the good thing about jw is they promote good citizenship and law abidingness, but other than that you must have have blind faith
@championfarrows5865
@championfarrows5865 7 жыл бұрын
What do you mean by blind faith?? Elaborate,,
@joanbaczek2575
@joanbaczek2575 7 жыл бұрын
Champion Farrows if there is a tornado and jehovah says don't go under ground jehovah's witnesses would be expected to stand there and wait for jehovah to do something, if any jehovah's witness went under ground anyway he would be looked as an unbeliever. that movie i saw about how the enemy was coming to take over the city like all the other cities, but miraculously and illogically Jehovah kept the enemy from taking the city. even though Jehovah wouldn't do that for the other cities. the movie pissed me off and seemed like i twas written by a 4th grader, and fake. and we are supposed to see it as this glorious example of how we are rewarded with faith--i don't buy it its unrealistic. we are ants to jehovah. can you have a colony of ants and know which ones love you? no. he lives for ever so our 70 years is a blink of an eye to him
@championfarrows5865
@championfarrows5865 7 жыл бұрын
joan baczek What?? That doesn't even make sense.. Give me something that JWs believe RIGHT NOW that is NOT in keeping with God's word the bible??
@joanbaczek2575
@joanbaczek2575 7 жыл бұрын
Champion Farrows i never said they dont keep with the bible. i said "blind faith" i think the bible itself expects blind faith. and the bullshit about god using natural disasters to weed out the bad people during Armageddon doesn't make sense. have you ever been through a tornado? hurricane? good and bad has nothing to do with it, good people die, bad people die its random. telling people in 1975 that if they don't get baptized god will kill them don't make sense. telling me i gotta put up with child abuse cuz i don't have two witnesses to it don't make sense.elders expecting my mom to "prove" he cheating when he was beating the shit out of me and my mom(bruises to prove it) but im not good enough to let my mom leave with out facing dis-fellowship instead they want a film of my father bagging some woman from the bar? and back in the 80s that was almost impossible especially if poor. what i said does make sense that movie they put out at the convention was nothing but propaganda. just cuz you dont' agree doesn't mean what i said was wrong, nonsensical or stupid. i got out of the jehovahs witness hot mess by 1987. so i don't have a current example sorry
@joanbaczek2575
@joanbaczek2575 7 жыл бұрын
Champion Farrows all the films that were put out for the conventions in 2016 were all about blind faith. in another film we are supposed to give god glory for washing up sand for construction yet its not gods fault when an innocent life is lost? sorry jehovah cant have it both ways either he is the blame for good and bad or he doesn't get credit for any of it. i don't love a god that would prioritize washing sand up to use to build a kingdom hall and not save a woman from dying in an accident. sorry but the makers of that film made jehovahs witnesses look like assholes. all they had to do is leave out the part about jehovah washing up sand and i would be half as angry.
@willchacon5888
@willchacon5888 5 жыл бұрын
Where is the 🎻...
@abdulabdullah3679
@abdulabdullah3679 6 жыл бұрын
Your mother left your violent father and married a Ministerial Servant,hmm? Do they condone adultery or was your violent father not an issue ? You also should seek therapy ,whilst you speak ,it is evident that your emotions have been deeply affected.
@michellecollins290
@michellecollins290 5 жыл бұрын
Abdul Abdullah possibly she’s just nervous 😬?
@gloryz177
@gloryz177 4 жыл бұрын
Jehovah is the true God
@BrentRF
@BrentRF 4 жыл бұрын
And how do you think he feels about your cult covering pedophiles?? Or making multiple false prophesies in his name???? Your cult does a terrible job at representing any form of a god. Your "truth" yesterday is not your "truth" today. And your "truth" today will not be tomorrow. God doesn't change his mind but JW's change doctrines all the time.
@BrentRF
@BrentRF 4 жыл бұрын
How do you think he feels about covering up thousands of pedophiles in your cult???? Or all the false prophesies you have made in his name????????
@mirygomes
@mirygomes 7 жыл бұрын
It happened to me, but on the contrary. I met the congregation at 5 years old and at 16 I left, and went to nightclubs of my time, (now I'm 45) so, when I get married, return to Jehovah, because what I saw outside, in the I DONT liked. When I was born my first child I thought, what good education will I leave when I die, my stories of when I was at parties? So return to Jehovah because he gives us a good education through his congregation.
@soulmateswamp8245
@soulmateswamp8245 5 жыл бұрын
You sound very ignorant. You belong in this stupid cult.
@lancemilliken9078
@lancemilliken9078 5 жыл бұрын
Mairim Agev what will happen when your child gets molested by somebody with in the congregation but there was not a second person that witnessed the abuse. Then what? Your comment was from two years ago, hopefully you have started to wake up
@gregjones8412
@gregjones8412 7 жыл бұрын
I remember you being ill. This was the reason😶 Life is certainly rather weird🤔
@oneerone
@oneerone 7 жыл бұрын
Greg Jones hi is that 'the' Greg Jones? You found me! Haha hope you are well? :-)
@carlosraygoza2341
@carlosraygoza2341 7 жыл бұрын
Do apostates believe in the Bible, or Jehovah? or do you go from JW to atheist? What will all of you do, when the Great Tribulation strikes? I want to see all of you then, lol..
@oneerone
@oneerone 7 жыл бұрын
Dante Ponce Dante, are you saying you want to see people die? To answer your question, not all exjws become atheist although many do. Most just don't want any involvement with any religion after leaving and go on to enjoy themselves and appreciate this life for all it has to offer
@carlosraygoza2341
@carlosraygoza2341 7 жыл бұрын
T O'Sullivan No, but people will die, billions of them, most people can care less about learning about God, and live their lives as they pleased.
@oalmannearn6949
@oalmannearn6949 5 жыл бұрын
Lol?
@BrentRF
@BrentRF 4 жыл бұрын
@@carlosraygoza2341 Do you not realize how horrible your cult looks by eagerly looking forward to billions of men,, women and children dying??? If you have to use fear to attract members then you are in a cult. And in no way a true religion.
@mirygomes
@mirygomes 7 жыл бұрын
This girl "suffered" because her Fathers did not know how to tell her, how much Jehovah loves us, and they focused on Armageddon. We must focus on the things that Jehovah gives us immedi- ately, and what we give him is not to wait for the promised Paradise,.is better, to give thanks for what we already have, the sun, the rain, the seas, the beautiful planet, Living in fullness now, but without damaging our body, living in harmony with people and animals, centering our love on the family, if they see that their children are tired do not force them to give what they can not because they have not desided As adults who follow religion. If they are taught but with love, with patience, and to tell them the good and the bad of this world, there is always something good between evil, so let us worship Jehovah, what we give him that is of Heart and not as bound, because God loves, the joyous giver
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