'LeBron can’t out GOAT Jordan' - Emmanuel Acho on LBJ's GOAT moment | NBA | SPEAK FOR YOURSELF

Los Angeles Lakers All-Star LeBron James said in an interview that winning the 2016 NBA Finals was the moment he realized he was the GOAT basketball player. LeBron James was apart of the NBA’s Greatest 75 Players of All-Time list which included the likes of Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, Stephen Curry, Kevin Durant and more. Marcellus Wiley & Emmanuel Acho discuss if the 2016 NBA Finals solidified LeBron as the GOAT.
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'LeBron can’t out GOAT Jordan' - Emmanuel Acho on LBJ's GOAT moment | NBA | SPEAK FOR YOURSELF
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[@herbslim2008]

Magic Johnson went to 9 finals in 13 year career, yall need to stop basketball if ysll don't know basketball history, I guess should be happy losing 4 straight superbowls, Dam I didn't know u play for 2nd, but thats what this era is all about, playing for 2nd

[@omez23]

Jordan is better on offense, defense, clutch, winning and marketability. In 2013 Lebron got caught purchasing ped's in Miami. Jordan was an all natural athlete. This debate is not even close.

[@CoachQ773]

Acho tries way too hard to be philosophical... Lol... Sometimes things are simple....

[@CoachQ773]

Lebron is not better than Kobe... He needs a Kobe to win

[@CoachQ773]

Kyrie won that series for them

[@christopherhorn1161]

Jerry West made 9 Finals...Magic Johnson made 9 Finals in 13 years...and Lebron has 10...all impressive, but doesn't make any the GOAT.

[@erich1380]

Right thats why impact on the game is what matters. Which is why mj is the goat

[@ogbobbyt2159]

Bron went to 8 straight

[@Xmarkyaspot_ent]

Yea still dominant could be debated when u think curry been to 4 could be 5 this yr and would catch him in rings this yr and a chance. To even eclipse Bron in appearances n titles and if Bron plays till bronnie plays n steph n gsw go to two more n win one it's very debatable

[@nikeman116]

@@Xmarkyaspot_ent steph isn’t a the same level basketball player as any of the people in the goat debate. Him getting to and possibly winning more finals won’t put him in that discussion

[@LakersNinersFan]

@James Smith So what if Jerry West only won once? What's the line of delineation? By lebron fan boys standards, just getting there is all that matters. So if Lebron winning 4 makes him better than West winning one...then Jordan winning 6 makes him better than both.

[@LoganNagol]

“We’ve never seen anyone go to 9 straight finals” Bill Russell is typing…

[@jimanderson2076]

*modern NBA

[@joebowen8599]

We didn't see it though lol and the Celtics had byes back then. That's like LeBron getting a bye beat a team in round 2 and you in the finals it was only 8 teams when Russell won his

[@chi-townlowend1812]

3-6 that’s not goat Status

[@joebowen8599]

Goats don't get swept in the first round twice either

[@riverofcustard5027]

No disrespect to Bill Russell because that's incredible, but come on bro, there were 8 teams in the playoffs at that time and the league was mostly dominated by a couple teams

[@ENix14]

Going to the finals 10 times and winning only 4 times, with not a single three-peat despite having the best roster from 2010-2014, is not the same as going there 6 times and not losing. And MJ didn’t come back in the finals down 1-3 because he was NEVER down that much. Ever. C’mon, Wiley and Acho 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@coreythomas3633]

THAT IS THE MOST IMPRESSIVE. DOWN 3 1 TO A 73 9 TEAM. Mj 1 9 without Scottie Pippen like ya sound stupid mj never won unless there a team around him. LABRON carries average teams to the final almost every year.

[@terrencegray2608]

He didn’t have the best roster lebron James was never favorited in the nba finals but once over the Dallas mavericks his team was always the underdog know your facts

[@coreythomas3633]

@@terrencegray2608 LABRON THE GOAT ya just wont admit because you people are emotional. It not about performance anymore it about who i like the most.

[@discokidd1264]

Jordan was 1-9 in 3 yrs, but was there every year. Lbjockstrap didnt even mske playoffs his first 2years. They brung in larry hughes to help them get there. So lbjockstrap was 0-0 before Larry Hughes bcuz he wasnt even making it

[@Aknight292]

@@coreythomas3633 you're just copy pasting you're same boring dumb comment. Sit down child, no one wants to talk to you.

[@MusicLuv80]

Let's stop this. Most people including new generations of kids think Jordan is the GOAT.

[@dolpherarnold238]

He is and I'm a A I fan

[@ShazBot-]

Bron 🐐

[@disguy41]

@@ShazBot- Bron is NOT the GOAT braindead

[@back2back379]

Yep. I'm still waiting to see a single poll that has Lebron ahead of Jordan. Every single poll, it doesn't matter what era, the vast majority sees MJ as the goat. Baby Boomers, Gen X, Millennials all rank MJ as GOAT. When people are asked to pick, the vast majority select Jordan, whether it's players (both current and former), coaches, GMs, fans, etc., because Lebron hasn't been able to convince the eyes of the vast majority that he's better. In fact, he's actually convinced the eyes of the vast majority that he's not quite as good. Bird and Magic convinced the world they were the best up to that point with their play, Jordan convinced the world he's better than Bird and Magic with his play and the greatest of all time, but Lebron's been unable to convince the world he's better than Jordan.

[@jamestayla4701]

@@back2back379 How championships did Jordan win while magic and bird were in their prime?

[@we-lit6071]

is this a joke.. .LEBRON claiming his goat moment was beatin golden state without draymond & iggy & kyrie hittin the game winner, please stop comparing him to Mj, when hes not even kobe💯

[@GibbsVision]

Draymond and Iggy played fam. Draymond missed ONE game.

[@israelcintron5870]

That’s right

[@israelcintron5870]

👍

[@diegorob7625]

Dray had a 30 point triple double at home game 7 fam.

[@raejonnriggins]

@@GibbsVision add bogut too

[@cmurder843]

Getting to the finals IS NOT THE SAME THING AS WINNNING THEM. The Bills got to 4 in a row and it doesn't matter because they DIDN'T WIN.

[@phillipt1697]

Facts

[@dolpherarnold238]

Facts and that's what makes MJ the goat because he never lost a finals game and never went too a game 7 all his 6 rings was in game 6

[@back2back379]

I don't understand why kids in this generation value 2nd place so much

[@crashoverride23]

Facts

[@nerdbamarich2063]

Facts..

[@DanielGonzalez-hf6ql]

Look at the 75 ceremony. Who commanded the most respect? MJ shined so bright! He was on a different level. GOAT 🐐

[@anthonycal9071]

So u think Lebron not on another level rn u slow

[@DanielGonzalez-hf6ql]

@@anthonycal9071 that is Absolutely what I am saying. LeBron is not on MJs level. Not even close. Sorry you weren't around to witness greatness in real time. All you have to rely on is old KZbin footage and the last dance documentary. As far as LeBron goes, I still rememeber him crying when Dirk beat him in the Finals. I rememeber when he missed a three pointer in game 6 against the spurs and if it wasn't for Ray Allen they would have lost. I remember kyrie Irving big three in game 7, winning the game for them. He is the best player in this generation for sure, but doesn't compare to MJ though. And if you bring up Paxson and Kerr shots, those weren't do or die games, as in of they miss they lose the series. They were up in both games. He wasn't bailed out like LeBron was. He beat a young thunder team and an out matched heat team too. Great he took advantage of weak competition. Not MJ level.

[@mrlilrip10]

@@DanielGonzalez-hf6ql you trippin

[@decartes_3168]

@@mrlilrip10 No he’s not. No one will EVER come close to MJs stature. He OWNED the 90s as far as being the biggest persona. EVERYONE wanted to be like Mike(That’s why his shoes are so dominant). I don’t know anyone who said, “I want to be like Lebron.” Don’t get me wrong, Lebron is great in his own right. But as far as legacy/impact. No one out tops the one and only Michael Jeffrey Jordan.

[@back2back379]

@@anthonycal9071 He's on Kareem's level, maybe. Not on MJ's level.

[@WalkingW_]

Knocks against Lebron's GOAT chance: - He's been swept twice. - Gotten a gentleman sweep twice. - One embarrassing finals collapse. That's 5 losses already. More losses than wins doesn't make you the GOAT. 4 rings in 18 yrs. Applaud losing now why don't we

[@adtastic1533]

Exactly. Rockets and OKC pushed those Warriors teams harder.

[@just.branden4997]

So all team failures to define an individual legacy. So I guess Bill is the goat

[@PrinceCortezJones]

@@just.branden4997 you can't talk objective or detailed basketball with most Kobe or Jordan fans. They're full of emotion and can't comprehend past ring count and talent on a team. Don't waste your time lol

[@alxfonso4924]

@@just.branden4997 yes Goats win when they shouldnt. Like Jordan did in 93 and 98 specifically.

[@KClark1280]

@@just.branden4997 who? Bill Cartwright 😂

[@adtastic1533]

Tom Brady's 7/10 SBs way more impressive than LeBron's 4/10. Acho, stay off the drugs.

[@BaithNa]

Magic also went to 9 finals and won 5 championships, Kareem went to 10 finals and won 6 championships It just means the conference was weak

[@johnnycoop8694]

Is this not team sports lol!??

[@CtrlAltDfook]

Superbowls are worth WAY more than nba finals and brady has 7 rings. Lebron isn't even on bradys radar.

[@johnnycoop8694]

@@CtrlAltDfook Brady plays on one side of the ball and was a game manager early in his career. Y’all are so dumb

[@JohnSmith-nj4zq]

@@johnnycoop8694 Lebron couldn't win a ring until he joined Super Teams. Lebron is garbage compared to M.J and Brady.

[@deshawncurry2029]

Magic went 9X in 11yrs. And went 5-4.

[@sportschool3537]

And didn't go to the Finals again because of AIDS... not because he had to retire... the man only played 12 seasons and went to the Finals 9 times... yeah, his team was stacked af but so were Lebron's..

[@conditionallyunconditional5691]

And Magic has said MJ is the greatest he ever played against.

[@coreydon7097]

The true all-time GOATS don't have to keep telling you that they're the greatest of any sport, your body of work should speak for itself

[@lets_play_a_game268]

Exactly 💯

[@MrAntonthaman]

Like Ali or Prime

[@Mr10before9]

@@MrAntonthaman LeBron didn't start saying he was the GOAT until he thought he could claim it, Ali said it from jump before he had any of the accolades to back it up...huge difference. Ali believed it from the start and was going to prove it. LeBron hears that the people with the greatest opinions on the subject still don't say he is, so he tries to force it now. But the more he tries to force it, the more the careers get critiqued...and LeBron got some bad blemishes on that career that Jordan doesn't have.

[@elliot16]

thats your opinion

[@dparks2856]

If he said he's the 2nd best player of all time then you would knock him for not saying he's the best of all time

[@ahtenakhte]

In a GOAT debate, coming in second place is a huge disadvantage. That was a weak point.

[@uylam81]

It wasnt even second place. He won in the EAST!!! They weren't even tested against some of the other great teams in the west. We would never know who would win those series had the second place teams in the west faced lebron. So it wasnt second place.

[@halfshot253]

and losing

[@thisiseliasm4645]

@@uylam81 exactly. I believe in 2018, every team in the west playoffs would’ve beaten the cavs.

[@coreythomas3633]

THAT IS THE MOST IMPRESSIVE. DOWN 3 1 TO A 73 9 TEAM. Mj 1 9 without Scottie Pippen like ya sound stupid mj never won unless there a team around him. LABRON carries average teams to the final almost every year.

[@thisiseliasm4645]

@@coreythomas3633 Only carried and Average team in 2018 and 2007. LeBron also need talent to win.

[@mr.z8453]

i hear all these great comebacks by Lebron. This dude always behind first. Weak debate for a GOAT debate. A GOAT dominates, period. During MJ's era, active HOF & superstars concedes and admits MJ the GOAT. During Lebron's era, non HOF & supertars feels and thinks they can take Lebron on. How many times did we see the media debate Giannis, Kahwi, Curry, Durant is the best player in different years ? During MJ's era, no debate. Period

[@LIFEWITHMIA111]

💯 PERIOD!!!

[@cedricspears6381]

Enough said! I question guys character that refuse to recognize authentic greatness and lift this guy up on a false pedestal.

[@JaHui513]

LeBron didn't strike fear in players and coaches like MJ did. That speaks volume to his game.

[@cyber6sapien]

FACTS!!

[@coreythomas3633]

THAT IS THE MOST IMPRESSIVE. DOWN 3 1 TO A 73 9 TEAM. Mj 1 9 without Scottie Pippen like ya sound stupid mj never won unless there a team around him. LABRON carries average teams to the final almost every year.

[@billyjenkins3672]

No matter how the media spins it. The viewing public, the majority of planet earth will never say that Lebron is better than Jordan. It’ll just never happen 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@puncho8799]

Facts! 💯

[@alessioraccagni3753]

The majority of the World doesn't even knows Lebron, to be fair. I'm from Italy, everybody knows MJ, most of the time I heard "Lebron who?" I respect Lebron, he's a fantastic player, but he can't be compared to MJ.

[@puncho8799]

@@alessioraccagni3753 I agree with you 💯%

[@billyjenkins3672]

@@alessioraccagni3753 Super facts

[@bmm2208]

Jordan’s whole career was a moment lol 😂 y’all tripping big time! There isn’t enough time,if we played all of Jordan’s moments we’d be sitting there for a very long time! MJ is the goat

[@rong648]

Emmanuel with that logic, wouldn't the Buffalo Bills of the 1990's be the greatest football team of all times. Four Super Bowls in a row 1991, 1992, 1993, and 1994.

[@Doublegd3]

Tell me if the bills won...I’ll wait

[@zogood3495]

@@Doublegd3 that's the point The Bills lost just like Lebron lost.

[@nerdbamarich2063]

@@zogood3495 🤣🤣 fact's

[@rong648]

@@Doublegd3 According to Emmanuel you don't have to win, just going makes you the GOAT.

[@johnjohnson6338]

Jordan won 24 and 1 in 25 playoffs rounds between 90 and 98, and went 631 straight games in between 90 and 98 which he never lost 3 in a row, in that same span.

[@clutch3ball239]

Shows you about what competition he had

[@cobrachannel100]

@@clutch3ball239 He had better comp than now where half the players load manage dude.

[@shankarsrinidhi4743]

Bruh do you think Lebron wouldn't have done that if he was in Jordan's place

[@seangermano1563]

@@shankarsrinidhi4743 In Jordan's place no. Bron and Pip are basically the same player, bad combo. Lebron fits way better with a shooter/closer type. Lebron gave an interview recently where he sees himself in that era in Pips place playing with Jordan.

[@FatbobRell]

@@shankarsrinidhi4743 bron lost back 2 back finals 2x in his career. debate over

[@ourcountrynotourselves3933]

10 yrs, 9 finals, 4 win, 3 teams..... MJ, 6 finals, 6 yrs, 6 wins, 6 Finals MVPs

[@dparks2856]

Uh MJ did that over 8 years. He took 1.5 years off and lost first in 95

[@puncho8799]

True MJ🐐

[@sportschool3537]

@@dparks2856 95 really doesn't count... he wasn't even in professional basketball physical shape... he literally win 6 in a row in 6 full seasons of basketball he played... and he won in such a fashion that nobody even dared to say they could beat him...

[@dparks2856]

@@sportschool3537 Excuses excuses. He played right? Can't just count MJs wins. He got losses

[@sportschool3537]

@@dparks2856 The man was out for 1.5 years without even practicing basketball properly... and you expect him to win that year? Have you ever even played a sport? I'll even count ping pong as a sport if you want me to... The man won in 91,92,93,96,97 and 98... in 94 he didn't play at all and was playing baseball and in 95 he played half the season and as Pippen himself said "he was in no real basketball condition"... the man literally came back next year in proper condition, won 72 games and a ring... In the NBA they don't play basketball like you do in your backyard... you can't just decide to go back to the NBA after 500 days of not playing at all and be ready to play at 100% day 1... seriously... how can you people not understand that???

[@isaiahbernal4943]

My only problem with the 9 finals take is that he couldn’t even win half of them, ask Kobe how it feels to come in second in the finals

[@obynoomere1280]

😂😂

[@condog209]

i mean Magic won 5 and went to 9 so Magic > Lebron by these standards

[@kedrickgarland5343]

And he had to leave depleted teams to do it.

[@acs79]

🤫 bron needs bubbles and lockouts to win when it counts🤣🤣

[@elioenaiporto6881]

Bron faced a stronger competition than MJ going along with horrible teams. Pretty unfair to just compare final records without context. I could never understand how many make it seem that it be better if Lebron was 4-0 instead. It is ridiculous.

[@racetrackbidness1371]

He’s the best 2nd place finisher of all time 👌🏾

[@jtremaine23]

LOL

[@cyrusnicca]

This the one 😂😂😂😂😂

[@roroonthegogo653]

😭

[@back2back379]

The question is, would you rather get a Silver medal over and over again, or win the Gold and never medal again? I play to reach the pinnacle, to reach the point of being the best, not to almost reach it as many times as possible.

[@hizairnezznoonelze6481]

Great one

[@MusicLuv80]

Acho is a great guy but one time I remember him comparing Jordan vs Lebron's shooting stats, but he used Lebron's total career stats against Jordan's season stats and said Lebron has better shooting percentage. Now this debate was no good either. Players give everything to win a title. Ask a pro basketball player if he rather win one title or go to the finals 9 times and not win? Come on!

[@MikeBNumba6]

Giannis is already a top 75 player of all time and he not even 30 yet. And that's largely because he won a ring. Archo doesn't believe what he's saying. This is a debate show.

[@rjphillips4777]

Now ask that same player if they would rather win one or go to 9 and win 4

[@MikeBNumba6]

@@rjphillips4777 I'm sure they would rather win 4 and go to 9 IF they stayed on one team. But team hopping from team to team and begging guys to join you and going to 9 straight and winning 4? Idk. I think Dirk and Giannis would rather win one instead of team hopping

[@daguywhoknowz2638]

You don’t understand the power of Nostalgia. It’s in MJs favor. It will look different on 10-15 years. Most will say Lebron is the goat.

[@brookiecarr5334]

@@MikeBNumba6 Playing on the same team your whole career gives the front office more credit for helping that player win. If the NFL Brady was not considered the GOAT by many until he won with another team. LBJ won 3 finals MVP with 3 teams.

[@jrow3101]

Sometimes a goat is just a GOAT every poll has Mj as the GOAT even if you are talking about young people. Because you can watch every game from the past Mj played in. All polls have MJ as the GOAT and by large numbers so MJ is the GOAT. The only argument is with contrarians who want there opinions to stand out.

[@ressestevenson7309]

Facts

[@TheBlegere]

I wouldn't take a poll as an argument 🤣 Majority of people are indoctrinated and ignorant to the game

[@LakersNinersFan]

1996 Chicago Bulls are the best team in NBA history...because they won the chip. 2016 Warriors were fraudulent.

[@MM-zm5qx]

The NBA suspended Draymond Green so lebron could win that year let's stop playing like we didn't see that people 🤔

[@Doublegd3]

Knicks had 1 HOF

[@x-man9473]

@@Doublegd3 they didn't beat the Knicks in the 1996 finals. They played the Sonics.

[@RetroGamer532]

The 96 bulls are the best team, the warriors chased that 73 win record and burned themselves out for that regular season record. They didn’t just lose the finals, they lost 9 games in that playoffs, almost lost to the Thunder down 3-1 also. They lost 9 all season and lost 9 in the playoffs too, they chased the record way too hard and payed for it

[@bobbyd1632]

Ask anyone who ever played a sport at a moderately serious level this question: Would you rather make 10 finals and LOSE 6 of them, or make it to 6 finals and win ALL of them ??!! I know what the answer is going to be

[@TuneSquadFTW]

MJ the GOAT and anyone who says otherwise is most likely under 25

[@NotebookLives]

@@TuneSquadFTW Wrong. I'm 28, watched Jordan as a little kid, used to believe he was the greatest to ever play. I watched LeBron his whole career, and after seeing the 2016 finals, it changed my entire perspective. It became clear that he was the greatest. When he passed Jordan in 2017 on the all-time scoring-list with 1,200 less shot attempts, that closed the case. When he got to his 10th Finals, won his 4th championship, and got his 4th Finals MVP, he reopened the case and reminded us what the verdict was. It's close, but LeBron has the edge.

[@JowanaBueser]

@@NotebookLives If you're 28, you would have been born in 1994. Let's say you started watching at 5 (that means 1999), Jordan has retired again by that time. So you saw him at his Wizards era. lol Now let's say you saw Jordan's last 2 championships, that means your perspective of Jordan was that of a 3-year-old kid. 😏

[@NotebookLives]

@@JowanaBueser That means I couldn't have watched full basketball games from the 80s or early 90s as a teenager or young adult? Lmfao, come on. You're smarter than that, girl. 😂

[@coreythomas3633]

@@TuneSquadFTW THAT IS THE MOST IMPRESSIVE. DOWN 3 1 TO A 73 9 TEAM. Mj 1 9 without Scottie Pippen like ya sound stupid mj never won unless there a team around him. LABRON carries average teams to the final almost every year.

[@jhonc2725]

After MJ brought house down in Cleveland it was over

[@Anthony-tz2wb]

Michael Jordan played with mailmen and plumbers. LEBRON IS THE GOAT

[@vanjones1749]

Ageeed MJ was and is the Man

[@Yanp87]

@@Anthony-tz2wb Lebron is playing with children. He would get elbows in his face in the paint during MJ era

[@theprfesssor]

@@Anthony-tz2wb You have a weird way of saying strongest Eastern conference we've ever seen

[@jhonc2725]

@@Anthony-tz2wb 🤣Yep! Real men. Not todays cupcakes🤡

[@joeymanny]

theres nothing wrong behind MJ in the GOAT conversation, 10 years from now, everyone will still compare the era's best player to MJ, not lebron

[@jenkericj]

You mean behind Kobe. I'm still not understanding how they leave Kobe out?? Did Kobe not play? Mike, Kobe, and then maybe Bron.

[@bboywolf]

@@jenkericj kobe barely a top 10 player stop smoking rocks. A top 5 player leads his team to at least 3 rings as the best player lol

[@dbz4735]

@@bboywolf Kobe barely top 10 ? I think you mean lebron barely top 10 he only on the top 10 list cause of the media and delusional bron fan Kobe is most definitely top 10 and top 5 and don’t forget dwade lead his team on the heat while lebron is not even a leader on his own team

[@bboywolf]

@@dbz4735 lebron was the guy on every chip he won lol dwade gave lebron the keys. Kobe had his chance in 04 and choked too. Lebron has double the finals mvps. 4x the mvps, more points scored in less time, more clutch moments in the playoffs.... i have lebron 6 all time LMFAO he barely top 5...

[@Eseibio__]

When you look at the numbers it's not even close. Jordan wins

[@ReneParada]

6 out of 8 , and winning all 6 times in the Finals is the most impressive feat, with 2 3-peats on the first and end of that stretch. Not 9 of 10 with 4 wins and not even a 3-peat or dynastic run with one team.

[@drewg17]

You just named team accomplishments.

[@ReneParada]

@@drewg17 you think going to 9 out of 10 NBA finals is just a one player accomplishment? dumb comment.

[@drewg17]

@@ReneParada oh Rene... I clearly said... you just named team accomplishments. For both players. Not one single thing you said proves anything but the caliber of their team. Not the individual. Think a little harder. If Jordan is your goat that's okay because at the end of the day no one can say who is better anyway. But at least use individual accomplishments when talking about individuals my guy.

[@back2back379]

@@drewg17 as if a team's accomplishments aren't linked to individual players? There’s a direct correlation between being the best players and getting rings since individual players can affect the game and outcome so much in basketball. Your reasoning is dumb af.

[@drewg17]

@@back2back379 ohhhh okay that makes total sense now. So Bill Russell is the goat and it's not even close. Or do you want to bring up that most rings were before the merger? What about sam jones, john havlicek, Robert Horry, Kareem? I guess that same line of reasoning would prove danny green should be ahead or in the same convo as AI or TMac? Good job buddy I see the light

[@JustaKarenDiscoveredTheIntrnet]

Mj won all his chips on one team. Lebron had join half nba teams get his chips

[@krazzier779]

Fr

[@coreythomas3633]

THAT IS THE MOST IMPRESSIVE. DOWN 3 1 TO A 73 9 TEAM. Mj 1 9 without Scottie Pippen like ya sound stupid mj never won unless there a team around him. LABRON carries average teams to the final almost every year.

[@coreythomas3633]

@@krazzier779 THAT IS THE MOST IMPRESSIVE. DOWN 3 1 TO A 73 9 TEAM. Mj 1 9 without Scottie Pippen like ya sound stupid mj never won unless there a team around him. LABRON carries average teams to the final almost every year.

[@leetraviusmckay2919]

MJ set the bar so high that players like lebron have succeeded expectations but haven't reached his status

[@jtremaine23]

That's true...can't believe I never really thought that but it just hit me. Look how great Kobe and LeBron became but they still fell short.

[@TheBlegere]

​@jtremaine23 nah lebron the goat No one takes into consideration who lebron faced in the finals, if lebron faced the teams jordan did in the 90's he'd have 10 rings

[@kendricjonrs8581]

We treat 2nd place like Silver Medals, because that's what it is....

[@bradybryant1770]

Yeah. Jordan and Kobe are more gold medal type players

[@BaDHabitS4]

and everybody remembers Bolt but i bet most of the people don't remember who was second :)

[@slaythompson]

In the words of the all wise, Ricky Bobby… “if you ain’t first, you’re last” statement was ahead of its time and will forever be true

[@suntansuperman26]

Don’t forget the great Ricky Bobby went on to say “second place is just the first loser”

[@lordsangone]

Lebron's legacy also includes a lot of losses too. Inconsistencies, team-stacking, complaining, self-praising, false equivalences, missed shots, lack of defense, etc.

[@riverofcustard5027]

No legacy is spotless, not even Jordan's. You sound pretty bitter, my man.

[@jtremaine23]

Just on a championship level...you're right. He's won in HS, NBA, Olympics & other Int'l play but he's also lost on all of those same levels.

[@jaydubb2005]

and the Most Turnovers in Nba history and Nba Finals history. Espn will never report that.

[@derquandoucett7986]

So we comparing Kerr and Paxton making 1 three to kyrie dropping 41 😂😂😂

[@dparks2856]

Kyrie didn't hit for 41 in the game 7

[@martinrochajr]

Didn't ray Allen have like less than 10 points when he hit that 3 yea ok

[@telmolicious]

@@dparks2856 Literally no one wrote he did.

[@asdsadasdasdas6214]

@@martinrochajr but ray allen 3's save the miami heat from losing the finals while kerr and paxton making 1 three only won the game because they where up to 3 - 2 againts the opposing team they could still win in on game 7.

[@TheBlegere]

​@@telmolicious he just did wtf 🤣🤡

[@SneakerFetish420]

Not the goat 9 finals but how many rings ? Why did he duck the slam dunk competition ? Kobe and Jordan did it and won why did he ring chase from team to team ? I like Lebron he’s top 5 but not the goat

[@nerdbamarich2063]

Facts

[@omez23]

Agreed

[@blackjesus6433]

Even Kareem participated once 🤦🏾‍♂️🙏🏾

[@derekmatthews2213]

Magic in his 12 year career, not 19 year, went to 9 finals and won 5. Going 10 times and winning 4 within almost 20 years ain’t gonna cut it.

[@chacosavage]

You could argue more then half the times LeBron got to the finals in the east there were 4 better teams then the cavs in the west if not more. He's not even technically the second best team in those years.

[@carloshall6434]

My thoughts exactly! All of the top players in the league were in the west, except for D-Wade and he teamed up with him. As soon as LeBron left the east, the Raptors got to the finals. When he got to the west, he didn’t make the playoffs.

[@toogoat9293]

Going to 9 Finals in 10 years speaks more to a weak conference than anything else

[@josephhornbuckle9456]

They gonna hate you for your truth sir

[@toogoat9293]

@@josephhornbuckle9456 it's common sense lol

[@cooljohn6961]

So I guess Jordan winning 6 out of 8 chips means it was a weak conference and league. Just doesn’t make sense.

[@toogoat9293]

@@cooljohn6961 *If youre going to 9 Finals in 10 years and lose most of them when you get there speaks more to a weak conference

[@bigpoppa6658]

For the records: Kobe Bryant in 14y is 5 of 7, LeBron is 4 of 8. Michael Air Jordan in 13years is 6 of 6 LeBron outshines both in durability but that doesn't make him the goat.

[@mpound97]

Durability? How many of those years did lebron play 82? Once... Jordan, 9 times...They're both durable.

[@bigpoppa6658]

@@mpound97 man true. And the physicality in the 90s. MJ all the way

[@stevejon71]

The only reason he's in there is bc the league is so soft.

[@winx529]

guys I love this show, but you are tripping if you think getting to the finals is more important than winning it and you're tripping even more if you think there is a debate about the goat why do you think they called out MJ as the last one of the top75NBA players in the history, did you hear the reaction of the crowd , in lebron's hometown???????? case closed if there ever was one

[@scottdelacerda2179]

According to Acho, we should be celebrating the Buffalo Bills. They went to 4 consecutive Super Bowls but didn’t win 1. He likes participation trophies instead of winners.

[@JoelCruz-ng4rn]

I got six words for Acho’s first statement. “You play to win the game”. Finishing runner up has never ever been the goal in sports

[@kalithechamp1412]

I can not be the only one who almost died at Marcellus’s “ You were in a movie?!” 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@joved1662]

Jordan went to the finals 6 times in 7 years and won all of them in the strongest conference in the League. The year he didn't win he played 17 games and came back from a 2 years retirement. 🤷‍♂️

[@lennybeason1110]

Acho that’s the dumbest take I’ve heard yet! Wiley MJ is the Goat and he doesn’t have to campaign for the title ‼️😂

[@lennybeason1110]

@Nnamdi Achebe tell that to Rich Paul and Lebron ‼️

[@coachtee6394]

Jim Kelly is the GOAT because he went to 4 straight Super Bowls...sounds ridiculous, right ?...Magic went to 9 Finals and actually has a winning record...L6Bron ain't that guy

[@DJC-10]

Okay so Lebron made 8 straight finals In those 8 years Lebrons squads were always a clear favourite to make the finals every year but 2018 when the competition in the east was probably at an all time low in the modern era. If he didn’t make the finals any of the other years it would be viewed as a monumental failure as his squads always had the most talent in the East except for 2018.

[@drewwilson5026]

But we both know MJ not beating ANY variation of The Warriors Lebron ran into in the Finals

[@KClark1280]

@@drewwilson5026 or that Warriors team will lose 1-4 to that 1st 3 peat and 3-4 to that 2nd 3 peat 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@dontwatchmewatchtv8039]

What ? He wasn’t the favorite in 2007, 2014 technically, 2016 he wasn’t either , and let’s be for real he was only the favorite this season because of his resume , and the team , but anytime LeBron was favorited he in fact did lose clearly just once , I’ve seen LeBron win 2016 when he wasn’t after 2015

[@DJC-10]

@@dontwatchmewatchtv8039 8 straight finals 2011-2018 nothing to do with winning the title. Only to do with coming out the east.

[@brandone.5106]

Repeatedly arriving in the finals makes you the best in the conference. Repeatedly winning the finals makes you the best in the league. MJ the GOAT.

[@ikeholt1363]

Kareem went to 10 just like Lebron with 6 Rings and Bill 12 trips in 13 seasons 11 Rings

[@boshidobrownreacts]

Add some context Acho... that 9 finals appearances was so none competitive it really doest matter to NBA fans that aren't biased in LBJ'S favor

[@TheRellokid]

I love when people use Lebron’s 9 straight final appearances as an argument when everyone knows it was because he didn’t play in the west 😂

[@WindyCityNick]

@Nnamdi Achebe AI and McGrady aren’t saying they’re the GOAT. No one is debating Bron’s greatness, we’re debating Bron vs Jordan. Where he pales in comparison

[@tomstorm7926]

The fact that he has a losing record in the finals shows that he would’ve struggled more in the west.

[@adtastic1533]

@Nnamdi Achebe It means he wouldn't have 10 finals appearances cos he could only beat the Warriors once. A weak East is the only reason he even in the GOAT conversation.

[@Atlantafan21]

That’s true. Post 2014 the most consistent top threat was probably the Toronto or “Lebronto” Raptors who were led by Demar Defrozen and always folded in the playoffs.

[@chi-townlowend1812]

And 3-6 in the 9 straight 😩

[@jordanjenkins1671]

People say "LeBron exceeded expectations" but never say what those expectations were.

[@MarkLaw13]

So Jordan 6 times in 10 years and 6 wins is rubbish???. Hahahahaha

[@Optic_texas]

Lebron took advantage of a weak east conference al them years

[@cooljohn6961]

I keep hearing the East was so weak! Well why didn’t free agents or players from the West come East. They must’ve saw how easy it was to win. Oh, they started coming East when LeBron went West. Straight Facts!

[@707Pitbull]

It’s not that impressive when you consider how weak the eastern conference was during that run. Only the wins matter

[@kerke4639]

LeBron had 32 11 and 10 in gane 6 of the 2013 Finals and that performance is a lot less memorable than 2016 unlike Acho said because we saw the most important shot jn NBA history. That shot alone changed the whole way we looked into that series. It turned from “LeBron is keeping this team alive.” To “LeBron’s legacy was saved by Ray Allen.” as LeBron missed the shot while Ray Allen made it which led to the comeback.

[@masonr5677]

Same with kyrie

[@KemperFi13]

Having watched both players full careers, I’d take MJ everyday, all day, I’d take MJ in the after life. Bill Russell has the most titles, Wilt has the best overall stats. MJ was the greatest competitor.

[@robertcabrera4760]

Who cares if he made it 9 out of 10 times. The Buffalo Bills went to 4 straight Super Bowls, anyone saying Jim Kelly is a GOAT? Nope. Bill Russell won how many? Goats win, not lose

[@dparks2856]

JIM k never won and has no league MVPS

[@kanebee6806]

I have never seen so many people put so much effort to make some with a losing record 4-6 as the greatest!

[@herbslim2008]

@@kanebee6806 facts

[@dolpherarnold238]

Facts MJ 🐐

[@brookiecarr5334]

@@kanebee6806 It's harder to win 3 finals MVP with 3 teams vs 6 finals MVP with one team.

[@metalpharaoh3025]

I have never seen losing be praised so much until LeBron came around it’s hilarious🤣🤣

[@drewwilson5026]

So who else you seen go to 10 NBA FINALS AND 8 STRAIGHT!??

[@pryyority]

MJ was praised before he won 1 chip 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@brandonhagin7108]

Bill Russell duh

[@justonbartholomew]

Then he Lost more than he won. They act so dumb to that 🤣

[@metalpharaoh3025]

@@pryyority and look how that played out? LeBron a career is nearly over and he’s not won nearly as much yet gets praise for participation trophies

[@franklynmaldonadogor2]

So reaching the finals 10 years is more impressive than winning 6 in a 8 year span?

[@catwearingshades]

Realistically could’ve won 8 for 8 lol

[@franklynmaldonadogor2]

@@catwearingshades yo bro. It’s crazy how Acho just blew him off. If reaching the finals is an accomplishment, then the logo Jerry West is the “GOAT”.

[@kesbie5390]

If your talking goats in sports there is no 2nd place.. Goats are measured on how much they won

[@jakeequality8065]

Acho is a clown

[@LakersNinersFan]

Jordan in game 6 vs the Jazz 45 points game winning steal game winning shot Only had ONE teammate in double digits...Kukoc with only 15 points.

[@MikeBNumba6]

How many points did pippen have? All these LeBron fans act like pippen was only reason Jordan was successful

[@pryyority]

If he played he warriors and KD and Curry scored 30 a piece with Klay 20+ MJ would have lost with those 45 pts 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@LakersNinersFan]

@@MikeBNumba6 LMAO! Pippen only had 8 points that game and only played 25 minutes.

[@LakersNinersFan]

@@pryyority Lebron fan boys LOVE their hypotheticals. LMAO! Don't know what COULD have happened. I only know what DID happen.

[@MikeBNumba6]

@@LakersNinersFan 8 points? Lol that's all Jordan needed from pippen to get the dub against a Utah squad that swept the shaq and Kobe Lakers with two other all stars. A Utah squad that had arguably the greatest pg to ever play the game and one of best forwards to ever play. There you have it LeBron fans

[@junz685]

MJ Global Icon, worldwide , us down here in the south pacific we love MJ🐐

[@tgee1007]

Going to the finals 9 times is great, but it’s more impressive if it’s done with the same team. Team hoping to get better and younger talent is what he accomplished

[@brianbrooks1117]

Is it really though? It's definetly a harder learning curve figuring out new teammates then playing with the core of the same team and system consistently. But carry on.

[@andreyquesada1703]

@@brianbrooks1117 Not if you are teaming up with 2 other top 10 players. It's not like you are going to weak teams you help build up from scratch.

[@Darealkingrichard]

@@andreyquesada1703 Yes it is if you're the GO TO PLAYER

[@andreyquesada1703]

@@Darealkingrichard He was not the go to player in Miami. Remember he was the third best scorer in the 2011 finals. He was outscored by Jason Terry.

[@Darealkingrichard]

@@andreyquesada1703 He definitely was the number 1 & 2 option in Miami,alternating with Wade. D-Wade took a permanent backseat after that 2nd season. He played a little less than average in 2011,thats literally ONE PLAYOFF SERIES in almost 2 decades of playoff performances lol. No one plays great in every series,not even MJ! I'm not going to even go the "conspiracy route" about rigged sports. Dallas had one of the best playoff runs in nba history,that team was not TRASH at all,it was a goodish team & all the stars aligned for them that year.

[@24welmore]

Let's cut to the chase: One dude is invited to a woman's house 6 times....and gets the draws each time. Another dude gets invited 10 times....and gets the draws 4 times. Who's the man? Lol

[@SkittleEagle]

You wrong for that one🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍👍

[@CorderoStephens]

😂😂😂

[@jamestayla4701]

Scottie Pippen.

[@KClark1280]

So is Jerry West the 2nd greatest of all time? And since when has appearances become the mountain top? Don’t get me wrong LB is top 5, top 10 but GOAT?! Laughable & disrespectful.

[@kingbryce7373]

No one can outdo 6-0 and 6 FMVPs ever again. He is the greatest ever, not the best ever.

[@johnbates1552]

So the other yrs don't count because he didn't lose in the finals I guess.

[@nikeman116]

@@johnbates1552 this is gonna be long. Jordan will always be the goat cause of his finals record and individual awards. Voters actively vote against Lebron just to make sure he doesn’t catch jordan in awards. Lebron should have 10 mvps at least and they’ve kept him from the defensive player awards. Lebron has done more winning than any nba player ever he just has losses cause he’s literally played the best competition in the finals unlike Jordan. Lebron is better than Jordan but he will never be greater because of the active hate he gets from people who love Jordan and different era circumstances. I just call Lebron the best ever cause he’ll never be the goat sadly.

[@jasonfutrell3155]

@@nikeman116 wow that’s interesting way to look at things

[@dparks2856]

11 rings sounds better

[@nikeman116]

@@dparks2856 number of rings don’t matter if you’re not as good or impactful to the game as the other guy

[@1GreatEntity]

What I've noticed about these goat debates over the years, is that regardless of who people choose, far to many times they seem to omit information to make whoever they pick appear better.

[@whitewhale9012]

They're all absolutely insipid arguments to begin with.

[@whitewhale9012]

@Ludovic Breixo Make him a GM.

[@actzful]

acho bruh, tom brady went to 10 super bowls and winning 7 in the most difficult sport to win is way more impressive than lebron going to 9 straight finals. and i'm a lebron's fan.

[@wjl2068]

Not even close lol

[@shawncain882]

I hate to be that guy, but Tom Brady and the Patriots were associated with cheating, so we don't know how many of those Super Bowl wins were on the up-and-up, we don't know how many games they won were cheating was involved, I'm not gonna discredit all of New England and Tom Brady's success, but where I'm going to ding them most is in these GOAT debates, Brady can't be the GOAT when he's associated with and/or benefited from cheating, that's why no one really considers Barry Bonds the real Home Run King

[@wjl2068]

@@shawncain882 don't be so naive

[@shawncain882]

@@wjl2068 , Your comment applies to you...

[@wjl2068]

@@shawncain882 I hate to be that guy to ruin your fav teams image or player. But everyone was slurping juice in the 90s and 2000s. They still do but just microdose. and every team cheats in some form or another. They just got their hands caught in the cookie jar

[@kalanievans2341]

No surprise these two never won in their careers with this ridiculous logic lol

[@joelewis8992]

To see mj have so much fun was incredible we all know mj is so competitive that we forget he’s human. 🐐🐐🐐

[@GregoryFergusson]

The problem with Lebron falling short of surpassing Michael Jordan is going to always falls back onto 2 three peats. You can’t present 10 finals unless you present 6 wins too. Team composition generally was always up to Lebron from the time he got to Miami but then he lost where he should’ve won so from then on, he had a lot of catching up to do and never really did. Just imagine he poached Anthony Davis and still only managed 1 while the roster basically looked how he wanted it to look.

[@MrBezl]

I think there’s 3 reasons why Lebron isn’t the Goat and only 1 of them is his fault. Starting with his fault, the 2011 Finals. He disappeared after game 3 and lost a finals when he should have won. The 2nd is the 2015 finals when Kyrie and Love were injured and he lost. It’s my opinion that he would have won if they were healthy. Adding another ring and another back to back. And finally the 3rd is when Gasol stole his 1 chance of winning MVP and DPOY. That would put him on a list including MJ and a very small list (he deserves to be on). If you add those 3 together then he’s 6-4 in the finals and has the DPOY and MVP in the same year. Then his argument for GOAT is legitimate. Full disclosure, Bron’s my favorite player of all time, but I think MJ is still the GOAT

[@GregoryFergusson]

@@MrBezl He should've won all in Miami, I'm not making any excuses. He also was fortunate to get Draymond ejected to come back so I'm not making any excuses.

[@MrDangelo7777]

@@MrBezl and don't forget that Melo was the one who win ROY and they giving to LeBron people for get about that too, but I Didn't .

[@your_royal_highness]

How many teams did LBJ play for? How many times did he seek out situations where he could free agent himself into opportunities? How many teams did MJ play for to win 6?

[@blackbolt3423]

Do you know Kyrie led the cavs in Per in that finials averaging 27 points

[@simaaj22]

and Kyrie Finals MVP was when ??????

[@blackbolt3423]

@@simaaj22 You know good and well the media/ league will always give that award to Lehoe . Put it tis way ,Lebron played 11 full season with the Cavs......and they won ONE RING. When did that happen ....with Kyrie

[@simaaj22]

@@blackbolt3423 ……😭😭😭….cry us a river , build a bridge and get over it ….u still didn’t answer my question….and a counter to u - what has Kyrie won without LBJ - before and/or afterwards????? I won’t even wait …..You 0 for 2 bro ….and showing u a hater ….. peace ✌️…..Facts over feelings …

[@brandone.5106]

He’s not the Goat. 6 finals wins in 8 years. WINS. Repeatedly arriving in the finals proves you’re the best in the conference. Winning the finals repeatedly proves you’re the best in the league.

[@salvatoresultana4058]

Nobody has done THAT in modern era sports.

[@RRP3321]

Talk

[@TDallasHLG0623]

That’s not the way you look at best player.. it takes teams to win championships… and he hit it on the money 4-10 it’s sum ppl who haven’t even went to a nba finals cp3 hof only been one time

[@chosenone9102]

Quitting for 2 years shows you're a quitter as well LEBRON NEVER TOOK TIME OFF

[@salvatoresultana4058]

@@chosenone9102 like when Bron left Cleveland and Miami and Cleveland again?

[@Ricardo-pj6cl]

Crazy how these dudes say “Lebron” came back from being down 3-1 as if he did it all by himself

[@LakersNinersFan]

RIGHT! hahaha. And then every now and then they'll mention Kyrie. hahaha

[@justinstreets2243]

Crazy how they say he lost 6 finals as if he was playing 1 on 1

[@johnnycoop8694]

It’s crazy how they say he lost 6 finals as if he was playing 1 on 1

[@nombomb9670]

Then why don’t people also say Jordan’s TEAM won 6 rings?

[@LakersNinersFan]

@@nombomb9670 they say the 72-10 Bulls all the time. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@MusicLuv80]

100% disagree with you there. This isn't elementary school basketball, this is NBA. These players give everything to win the title so please let's not act like being 2nd is a great thing because I bet you a player would be willing to win one title rather going to the finals 9 times and lose.

[@nikeman116]

Well people like dame are celebrated for never coming close to a finals so yeah I guess if you like being a loser okay to only win one. Which is a horrible Idea. No one talks about Paul peirce and his one little ring, but everyone acknowledges lebrons finals stretch

[@Mr10before9]

@@nikeman116 actually, we do talk about that 1 ring, but the knock is put majority on Doc Rivers. All the talent he has had and yet he has only gotten 1 ring out of it all.

[@ludlowbuckley5373]

@@nikeman116 no one ever gets clowned for only winning one ring they get clowned for not winning any ring at all tf you talking about. lol if you only make it to the one finals and WIN that will always be better than making it to 10 and LOSING all of them! There’s no participation trophies in pro sports lucky for LeBron he’s got 4 rings so it’s all good.

[@wjl2068]

Word. Give me the chip once I'll take than going to the finals 20 years in a row lol

[@ludlowbuckley5373]

@@wjl2068 exactly!!! At the end of the day you’re still a CHAMPION! 🏆

[@robjames4160]

BTW, that career-defining chase-down Leblock was technically goal-tending (more accurately "basket interference").

[@LakersNinersFan]

Lebron = in a 10 year stretch i WENT to 10 finals...and lost 6. Jordan = in an 11 year stretch I WON 6 titles. It's silly that this is a real debate.

[@Atlantafan21]

Would likely be 8 if he hadn’t retired.

[@LakersNinersFan]

@@Atlantafan21 Exactly. But that's the great thing about Jordan...his career is so great and accomplished that we don't even need hypotheticals to make him seem better like Lebron fans always try to do with Lebron.

[@sirthomas00]

It's because LeBron fans keep moving the goal post when they compare LeBron and MJ. You can say that MJ is 6-0 in finals and Lebron is 4-6, MJ is the GOAT; they would MJ has more loses in the playoffs then LeBron. MJ fans will say that Mike went to the playoffs his rookie year and LeBron didn't make the playoff until his 3rd yr in the league, MJ is the GOAT; Lebron fans will move goal post again say that MJ had help from Scottie and had Phil as a coach and LeBron didn't have help like that. It just that fans of LeBron don't want to acknowledge LeBron's failures but are quick to highlight MJ's.

[@MikeBNumba6]

@@sirthomas00 Scottie and Phill Jackson argument falls flat because the Bulls lost three years in the playoffs with Scottie on the team. Phil Jackson was in puerto Rico. When the Bulls drafted pippen no one knew how good Scottie was going to be. All the arguments LeBron fans make are nothing but excuses. And that's the reason Jordan is the GOAT. Also LeBron played on stacked teams and still lost to an inferior team.

[@JustaKarenDiscoveredTheIntrnet]

Plus MJ did it on one squad. Lebron had join half nba teams and team up with superstars get his chips

[@BaithNa]

Magic also went to 9 finals and won 5 championships, Kareem went to 10 finals and won 6 championships It just means the conference was weak

[@nickgeorgiou123]

I literally can't name 3 great teams LeBron faced in the east when getting to those finals

[@loverboy5029]

Joke. MJ is in a league of his own LITERALLY.

[@cnothegoat23]

Being down 1 to 3 when you have Kyrie and Love going against Steph, Thompson, and Green isn’t something to be proud of. Series should’ve been a lot closer. If I’m not mistaken each game except game 7 was a blowout

[@toogoat9293]

People don't realize in terms of talent those teams were evenly matched. Jordan was asked after the Finals that year about the match-up and he said "The better team won"

[@bofranklin2944]

@@toogoat9293 talent and fit are two different things..I'd say the cavs had more raw talent but the warriors fit was more cohesive

[@cnothegoat23]

@@bofranklin2944 cause they ran an actual system. Lebron runs a backyard offense, I get ball and everyone else stand by the 3

[@bofranklin2944]

@@cnothegoat23 ok mr casual explain to me how the lebron system allows kyrie to go for 40 in the same finals game that lebron went for 40..explain how kyrie hits the game winning 3 in game 7..explain how AD was so dominant in the bubble that ppl rightfully thought he deserved finals mvp at one point..AD hit the game winner against denver..explain how caruso got a deal, how tristan Thompson got a deal, how jr smith got paid..how dellevadova got paid, ...that lebron system just sucks doesn't it lol

[@kingisraelite3770]

The 72-10 bulls are better than the 73- warriors simply because they closed the deal and won the championship, the warriors lost. Plus the warriors only won 1 more game than the 96 bulls, also the bulls went 15-3 in playoffs in 96 and WON THE CHAMPIONSHIP! Meanwhile the 2016 warriors lost 7 playoff games and LOST IN THE FINALS BLOWING A 3-1 LEAD! THE 96 BULLS ARE THE BEST TEAM EVER BASED ON THE STATS.

[@shade0180]

yep the playoff record differentiate how dominant the bulls was compared to the warriors. 15-3 vs 15-9.

[@jayrich6965]

They lost 9 they went 15 n 9 in the playoffs they match their regular season losses in the same playoffs

[@shade0180]

@@jayrich6965 yea I did write 15-9.... which means they lost about 35% more in the playoff. compared to Bulls run which is 15-3 about 16% which is closer to their season run of about 10~11% lost.

[@jayrich6965]

@@shade0180 it's all good lbj fans crying in the car right about now lol

[@travelinman]

Truth. But until Lebron no one got credit for losing in the finals. No one. People changed the narrative once he came into the league

[@jtremaine23]

That's what I say. Nobody gets credit for losing in the Finals. Barkley, Ewing, Malone & Miller get no credit for making it that far. They are just 4 guys who never won a ring. It changed to help LBJ out because he kept losing there so much so they were like "look at how many times he made the Finals". Who cares if you don't win it all.

[@jamalwilliams005]

Yeah but they call Jordan ‘God’ after he got swept by the Celtics

[@withallduerespect5073]

@@jamalwilliams005 exactly it’s so hypocritical

[@withallduerespect5073]

@@jamalwilliams005 dude lost like 3-4 times in the first round and they act like it don’t matter but keep saying bron lost in the finals smh

[@jamalwilliams005]

@@withallduerespect5073 and made those finals with a losing record, 3x

[@drizzejohnson5767]

Acho, ocho, taco, that was a bad take. Bron also got to pick his teammates. How many chips you think MJ have if instead of retiring if he would’ve went to Spurs with Dunkin? Or put a team together with Ewing & Barkley. Or joined Hakeem. You can’t credit Bron as a player with 9 finals appearance without bringing up all the players he teamed up with & weakened the competition.

[@3rdwsoldier]

That part

[@theposterking3553]

Why you think bron topped of Gms this weekend. MJ front office was legit. His front office didnt trade JJ hickson for Amare.Tell the whole story.

[@joaovasco3059]

How can someone say that going to 9 finals in 10 years is more impressive than winning 6 finals in 10 years?!

[@JowanaBueser]

Gonna ask Charles Barkley, Reggie Miller, and other HOFers without rings if they would rather reach the finals 9 times or win just one championship.

[@jhonc2725]

A loosing récord isnt an accolade. When You dribble the ball. It is about WINNING🤫

[@dparks2856]

Mj lost 9x not in the finals. How is that better

[@nevincuff3621]

@D Parks Championships- MJ won 6 in 15 years Lebron has won 4 in 19 years Jordan won more in less time. Actually, Lebron has lost 15 years which is the total of years MJ played. You can't be serious.

[@jhonc2725]

@@dparks2856 RINGS RINGS people remember winners. Ask people in Cleveland last weekend👌🏻

[@dparks2856]

@@jhonc2725 Bron don't have rings? MJ don't have the most rings ever

[@85gmb1]

LBJ can be your GOAT. MJ will always be my 🐐

[@moneypearl2830]

When James was down 3-1 to Warriors should have a asterisk by it if he wouldn’t of told on Draymond Green & got him suspended James would of never won that& we all know when the enforcer got suspended Warriors didn’t have a chance & Green had James on lockdown. Watch that series.

[@williebender1895]

Lol 2nd place man move

[@EWHITEFLIX]

If Jordan didnt take a 2 year break in his prime he would have 8 rings instead of 6

[@maximillanguapo1229]

Six in 8 years (while Jordan played another professional sport) = 75% winning percentage. Four in 10 years = 40%.

[@Hawaiiansurfa]

I see a lot of comments that it’s a team sport as an excuse for only winning 4 out of 10 yet they saying no one ever went finals 9 straight years lmao.

[@perpetualtimepiece857]

Going to consecutive finals and losing 60% versus Threepeat, retire came back, another threepeat 🤦‍♂️

[@netzarim1277]

Coming from behind 3-1. When the Cavs practically danced their way thru the finals while golden state went thru 2 series of 7 hard games. Then having steph in foul trouble every single game after game 4, suspending Green in Game 5. I get it they came back…but it want only Lebron who did that.

[@aleksandarhadjov8536]

When you need to convince ppl that you are best is something its wrong..MJ is the GOAT..game over

[@David-mu8hn]

Oh wow, Ok didn't know we were throwing parades for SECOND PLACE. Acho, come on bro, you just forcing this. MJ is still the GOAT, and it's ok. One day someone will pass MJ, no need to crown someone to please your "I was there for it" ego.