Led Zeppelin 2 ii, 2014 lp record reissue reviewed,compared to the classic records 200 gram reissue

Led Zeppelin 2 ii, 2014 reissue compared to the classic records 200 gram reissue also the new Friday music 180 gram reissue of the Moody Blues 1970 release Question of balance compared to a 1st edition Canadian pressing

[@diegomendivil7101]

It’s really not that bad of a release, honestly. Very comparable plus it is affordable and redly available. Led Zeppelin II is one of my favorite albums and sure this 2014 release might not be the absolute best but these audiophiles think everyone has limitless money to spend on very expensive releases to enjoy their favorite album.

[@RocknRonni]

You're absolutely correct after I've had some time to reflect on the whole experience I was just disappointed because Atlantic had the Led Zeppelin Vault and they could have made a much better record but the one they made is good

[@michaelmerinar8355]

The subdued colors of the cover art are used to match first press U.K. Issues. The Japanese cardboard sleeve issues are the same. The first U.K. Issues of "Pepper" also have subdued colors when compared to later copies.

[@snerp]

I appreciate your opinion though it is just yours. I got all the Jimmy remasters and they sound (to me) fantastic. Telling people that these remasters have no redeeming quality is crazy. I compared my LZ II Ludwig mix and yes, the Ludwig mix is better, but only slightly to my ears. So it really does come down to individual sound taste and stereo equipment.

[@johnjeffery6638]

No. A HOT MIX IS A HOT MIX PERIOD.

[@RocknRonni]

Well at 1st I was disappointed with Atlantic with Atlantic for not making them better than they did, but now after a while to think about it most folks that are buying these records have never owned Led Zeppelin records before so for them they'll be fine.

[@phillanassa759]

People who cant afford the Classic records 180 and 200 gram pressings now that they are in the several hundred dollar range, who are looking for a clean copy, who don't know the music as well or are used to hearing it for 40 years the 2014 is a good buy for the money (18$ US at Target) are the target audience here. Aside from the lesser reverb, and panning it's not a bad release to listen to. On my VPI Avenger Plus, it sounds pretty good. My 200 Gram Classic edition is a go to, but the Pecko Duck 70's and others though the mix is good, are typically beat to hell, by nature of the material, these were played to death. And the Robert Ludwig 1st release is the gold standard, but thanks to the internet, everyone knows about it and even if you can find one in bad shape, people ask hundreds, if you can find one, which I have yet to locate one in the wild in 40 years. They say the UK pressings are decent, I've never heard any of them. If I could find one that I wouldn't need to sell a Kidney to own, I'd buy one. I'd like to have the Clarity vinyl Led Zeppelin Road case 45 RPM set, but back when I could have paid 600$ for one; now these crazy people are asking as much as 10k$ for them. The Beatles In Mono box is another example where greedy people have jacked the prices up to the ridiculous level, .. anywhere from 900$ to 3000$ for the Mono vinyl box,, 100$ -300 for individual titles, when a few years back Amazon couldn't give those sets away for 199$ Same situation the Classic Records Led Zep road case 45s, ( and all the 180/200 gram Bernie Gundman AAA pressings) I missed out on both of them much to my chagrin.. Fortunately I did pick up all the 200 gram LZ releases when they were still 37$-49$ each depending on whether it was a single or double LP. They are now in the several hundred dollar range and more. As far as A Question Of Balance, my go to is the US White label Threshold, the later Blue Threshold with rainbow colored fairy dust sounds terrible. I have a W. German pressing that sounds pretty nice,, I think it's a Royal Sound pressing, motherload would be the UK Threshold, if you can fine one here in North America ( I live in Hanover, Pa, good luck finding them here, unless you sell a Kidney and roll the dice on Discogs, the bunch of thief's there are worse than the rapists on Ebay) again, never seen one in the wild in 40 years. They are here, but people are sitting on them or selling them for ridiculous $$ because they can. I have 2 of the White label Threshold N. American pressings, one was mine from the 70's, a first pressing, the other I found is the same but was still sealed, until I opened it to see what it was, I play it now and again, but use the other duplicate one for every day playing. Problem with the Friday Music version to my ears sounds like the tapes they used were several generations from the master, or they used a digital intermediate step. I don't like them. Not all digital transfers are bad when used to make a Lacquer, there are many albums out there that sound great in spite of the fact that the source made from the tapes is a flat transfer, 192/24, 96/24, or similar, and they don't sound like a CD recorded to vinyl, but I digress.. I have been buying the new Moody Blues Universal releases, and to my ear, they are the best bang for the buck. I'm about to go scorched earth on my Moody Blues Core 7 titles in 2021, and starting with the first album with Go Now, through Seventh Sojourn, I plan to buy the best of the UK pressings for each title. Now that my Beatles, Stones, Zeppelin collections are pretty much up to snuff, the Moody Blues are next. Love your channel, love these videos, and how you approach selecting each title the same as others and myself do, logically. As you said, research is your friend here. Find the best pressings, those using the closest generation master tape for the Lacquer,.. narrow it down to the earliest Lacquer, and Mother, Stamper. Typically you cannot go wrong this way. Every now and then you can stumble on something where the reissue or repress is actually better, or where the stamper used was the right one, but was at the end of its life, but that just happens some times. You just do more research, and find another one. Ebay and Discogs are a minefield to buy vinyl from. People there lie or do not grade their albums honestly, tend to use/mix together wrong or multiple grading standards. They often outright lie about the condition, claiming the album is a VG+ when actually its only G if that, and it is the same with grading the jackets. Albums shows up with every side beat, the spine is split because the seller didn't pack it right, didn't remove the LP from the jacket to ship it. Then the vinyl itself ends up sounding like a bowl of Rice Crispies when you play it even after you clean them multiple times in a US bath, then vacuum dry.

[@RocknRonni]

Sounds like you are the vinyl Guru I agree 100% everything you say ty for watching my humble channel

[@robertzemko6590]

My father purchased the red label original Canadian copy back in December 69 and I (as an 8 yr old) spent the Christmas holidays listening to it with my dad and listening also to Mom's new Beatles (Abbey Road) lp, great memories. I have a double sided RL which is in VG cond but wow, it is the ultimate sounding copy, will have to dig out my fathers red label copy to see how it is (scratched up though it is). I also have the 2014 Page "remaster" and no doubt about it, it is nowhere near what the Ludwig was. The main problem is that 99% of the population doesn't care about sound quality so there is no incentive for it, if there was they would still have stereo equipment that could rival the old Marantz/Sansui 70's stuff. My Marantz 2250b or big 4400 combined with my Pioneer HPM-100 speakers cranking the RL pressed Zep 2 is an amazing experience, not to mention a few other lp's from that year ( Second Winter and Yer Album) which both had that fat bottom end.

[@RocknRonni]

😊 Thanks for sharing your wonderful memories I really enjoyed hearing about those experiences. I couldn't agree more with all your noted points

[@discomfortzone]

Nice comparison video Ron. I love my original RL Cut the best. Sounds amazing!

[@RocknRonni]

thanks bro

[@snowpuppy77]

Very interesting. I was just listening to Zepplin 2 today and my original pressing certainly has the swirling you mention on the first track. Really disappointing how they would reissue something that would not have that. They are ripping people off with this stuff.

[@ralfwalter3923]

The RL Bob Ludwig OG is untouchable imo.

[@tbonethemann3525]

Rockin' Ronnie? I think Ronnie's hearing is shot. For $20 bucks get the 180g 2014 Reissues. Your search is over. They sound great. And yes, I grew up buying and Listening to Vinyl. Ron is just ticked that he spent all that money on the Classic records reissues.

[@RocknRonni]

I think you are ticked off because you cannot afford the classic records reissues. I to grew up buying and Listening to Vinyl. So when the classic records Led Zeppelin reissues came out I Purchased them for $29.99 each. Now I have compared them and this is what I found. Sorry if you don't like the findings and I agree with you I didn't like it either. I so much wanted these reissues to sound better. Atlantic has no respect for folks like us who want a really good sounding record. It was way to much trouble for them to make a hi fi record. Atlantic made what they have always made, a mid fi record because its easier to do. They don't understand why some folks are still buying records, We buy them because they sound better than CDs and record folks that know this like Analogue Productions and others make wonderful sounding records. The folks at Capitol and Atlantic don't understand this and it is only because so many folks complained about the sound Quality of the Beatles reissues EMI contacted Michel Fermer and brought him to England to find out what the people want and why on earth they were disgruntled with their wonderful product. and out of this came the MONO box. I just purchased this yesterday review coming soon. Yes the 2014 reissues sound great till you compare them to the classic records reissue and then you find out you have ripped off because so much detail is missing. because its all about what do you compare it to.

[@wakingpug]

Tony Mann He raves and raves about the Classic Records reissues... how does that mean he's mad that he spent "all that money on it"?

[@dimebagdave77]

miss your vids real bad Rockin Ron.hope all is going smoothly and hope to hear from u soon! all the best to you and yours this holiday season! you truly rock my friend

[@kgobrien1]

This release sounds great. I have the Classic Records and the RL releases and this compares very favorable.

[@craigphillips6063]

Another great video Ron,,went to my local HMV,and picked up zeppelin 1 and 2,,but would love the classic records 200grm copies..

[@RocknRonni]

craig phillips , of course it all depends how bad you want them because you can buy them off eBay but you have to be patient and Shop and eventually you can pick them up for a decent price good luck and for the record they are worth the extra money they are that good

[@aboutsoundandvision]

The CD versions of the 2014 Reissue is excellent, but if you want vinyl for any Led Zeppelin album find an original copy.

[@tbonethemann3525]

I do have the "RL" and it is the best mastering I personally have heard. With that being said, I also have the 2014 reissue of Led Zeppelin II. It sounds very ,very good. Sure it's not analog but it does sound very nice. Your reviews are based on your hearing, not mine. If you love the Classic Records version that is terrific. I'm sure it is great. However the $20 reissue is excellent for those who can't afford an "rl" or a classic. Also you have higher end equipment than most people. I personally use an old integrated tube amp and Klipsch speakers. This new issue is not a waste of time. It gives people a chance to own a nice clean,quiet sounding copy on 180 gram vinyl. I just thing you are discouraging people from purchasing Led Zeppelin reissues. I think they are great for the price. They are what they are. That's all. I do enjoy watching your videos. I don't want to get into an argument over music. I love music just like you. I bet we have lots in common. See ya later "Rockin' Ronnie" aye.

[@RocknRonni]

Tony Mann Thanks Tony for your response you make many good points and I believe you have a very good sounding system. My Point on the Led Zeppelin reissues is that Atlantic could have made a much better record than they did.Then that would have been a great value. what I do here on my channel is give my opinion on how different issues sound to me.. I believe any other pressing would sound better and if you want a nice clean sounding copy of this new Atlantic reissue just buy the CD. I have said this many times just like the new Jethro Tull reissues these records sound nice till you compare them to something else. Yes we have much in common if you were here and compared what I did you will hear the same things .One thing I have learned on this channel is music is about opinions and no one is wrong. thank you for you great feedback

[@MrMojoRisin]

Good video Ron. Very well explained.

[@needley]

I have to disagree too.. I have all original UK Pressings of Led Zep 1234 and now I have the recent remasters.. The UK Pressings to me sound superior but the Remasters are no slouch in terms of sound.. They sound superb.. You really shouldn't say the CR is The best sounding record.. In your opinion it may be..The remasters are superb for their price and sound VERY VERY meaty...

[@RocknRonni]

+Father Damien Karras I just earlier today read Michel Fremers reviews of the LZ remasters he has the original UK pressings and the Classic records reissues and says the UK pressings sound poor, the remasters are better, and then the Classic Records reissued are superior in every way.I don't have the UK pressings to compare he had them all and the original USA pressing which were not as good as the uk pressings in his opinion Now this is my Channel and it is of course my opinion but for the price $29.99 the price I paid for the Classic Records reissues I think they are superb for the price. The point is Jimmy Page made the decision to go Digital, epic fail, they could have made an even better sounding record than a start up reissue record company like Classic Records but they did not. The new reissues sound good till you compare them to the classic records reissue, then you will be disappointed when you learn what should have been. Because its all about what do you compare it to?

[@needley]

+Ron Beaudry The UK original pressings sound poor?? WTF? Lmao.. never heard such crap in my life.. I have NM ORIGINAL UK pressings and they are some of the best sounding records I own.. You really don't know what you're talking about..

[@RocknRonni]

+Father Damien Karras ok for the record I personally do not have an opinion about the UK originals because I don't have them I had just read Michel Fremer's review of LZ3 and here is the portion of his article where he has his opinion about the records. "I can't recall how the album was originally received by either the press or the public in 1970 but in 2014 Led Zeppelin III holds up very well.Analogplanet.com readers are most interested in how this reissue compares to other versions so i spent a good deal of time comparing it to an original Atlantic mastered at Mastercraft by "RR" with "So Mote Be It" handwritten in the lead out groove area, with a later German orange/green pressing and with Classic's Bernie Grundman cut from a decade ago.First of all, the original is pretty awful compared to any of the others. It's dynamically limited and frequency limited as well. It's just plain muddy. And the UK "plum label" Atlantic was pressed using another Mastercraft lacquer so while the plating and pressing quality are probably somewhat better the sound is most likely equally mediocre.The German reissue (ATL 50 002) I have which says ©1973 but probably is a later issue sounds far better than the American original and is overall pretty good but the Classic reissue cut by Bernie Grundman is far superior being far more dynamic and transparent with better bass response. Read more at www.analogplanet.com/content/led-zeppelin-iii-tones-down-heavy#oyp5f4wbwmqKomUA.99 ok I apologize for quoting someone else's opinion on my channel. Now that I am reading it again he says the sound is most likely equally mediocre. most likely? he did not even listen to them, he has an opinion about something he did not listen too, hmm? sorry for the mess here But I do know what I am talking about, but apparently Mikey does not. I value your opinion and from my experience UK pressing are usually superior to USA pressings so I would assume the UK pressings are wonderful sounding as you state here. The point is after this is that The Classic records reissue is far superior to the 2014 reissue and in my opinion the 2014 digital reissue of LZ 2 is not worth owning because of its poor sound compared to the classic records reissue the one I compared it to and the one I own.

[@needley]

+Ron Beaudry firstly he's talking about Led Zep III and not all of them.. I don't know what he was playing the Original on but it doesn't sound muddy in the slightest on my system. Maybe it was his cartridge/stylus that made it sound muddy.. So from my point of view the OP are the ones to have and the recent remasters are a nice back up... With two tracks on each side of your classic records running at 45rpm you are bound to hear differences in quality but it doesn't necessarily make it superior..

[@RocknRonni]

first I am talking about the Classic records 33.3 edition. ok then here it is you have not listened to the classic records reissues you think the 2014 remasters sound ok well they don't, they sound like bad cd sorry,so your uk pressing must not sound that great if you think the 2014 reissues sound superb compared to them. Oh and by the way Michel Fremer's turntable is state of the art and it should be at 100k USD. why do you want to disagree with folks that have compared the new 2014 digital reissues to the classic records reissues when you have not? hey I wish the 2014 sounded superb but they don't. compared to the classic records reissues

[@johnwasher9394]

Hey Ron! Just curious and not sure if you've covered this in another video but what turntable and speakers are you usually using? I'm buying new speakers soon and looking for input. Thanks!

[@TheTigersfan20]

I love the Robert Ludwig cut! I own a Monarch pressing, VG+. I later found another copy at a garage sale, VG all round. It’s got some noise, but the record is cut so loud, it drowns it out pretty well. It SLAMS!

[@jhr2jam]

I 100% agree with your comparison. I also compared my LZ II Classic Records version to the new remaster and came to the same conclusions. The remaster is garbage compared to Classic's pressing.

[@RocknRonni]

thanks for your feedback. glad you are enjoying the videos thank you so much for watching

[@MasaM-c2c]

jhr2jam have to disagree.

[@catalunyallibertat7]

It's a shame that only few people know about your channel. Full of quality videos!! Well, you've earned a new subscriber for sure:)

[@RocknRonni]

Xavi R thanks buddy so happy you are enjoying the videos

[@DavidToth-re6zw]

Hi Ron,ive recently switched back to enjoying vinyl and am looking to add to my library the Led Zeppelin classics are high on my list,found this vid very informative and seems to be in line with what most other reviews are saying,it would however appear that you may have changed your mind somewhat do you now consider the 2014 pressings worth a punt for the money or is it still worth searching out a more well known classic pressing

[@RocknRonni]

I guess it depends on your budget more than anything else

[@NoEgg4u]

If you want the best possible sounding pressing, of Led Zeppelin II, it is the Robert Ludwig/Sterling Sound ("RL/SS") stamper. It is the hot mix. Only 200,000 were pressed. More were planned. But when Ahmet Ertegun, President of Atlantic Records, brought one of these gems home for his daughter, her toy turntable could not play the record, because her stylus would not stay in the grooves (because her turntable, cartridge, and tone-arm were garbage). He deemed the record to be defective. To the chagrin of his employees, he mandated that further pressings be dialed down and compressed (a decision he later lamented). There are no absolutes. So owning one of the 200,000 hot mixes is not a guarantee of nirvana -- only a good shot at it. Any other mix, re-master, etc, has zero chance of sounding as good as one of the best pressings from the batch of RL/SS 200,000 pressings.

[@RocknRonni]

In your opinion I believe the remaster done with the original Master tapes remastered by Bernie grundman for classic records is a Better sounding overall record than the Robert Ludwig hot mix that's why the classic records reissue sells for more than the RL hot mix which is a very good sounding pressing

[@NoEgg4u]

@@RocknRonni I found the Classic, heavy vinyl to be bright and crude, and a chore to listen to. This is after a dozen or so auditions. The German pressings are the next closest bet to the RL/SS gems. I suspect that, if you did already audition a RL/SS pressing, you just happened to get a lemon. Not all of them are spectacular. No two pressings sound 100% alike. No two sides of the same pressing sound 100% alike. But the right RL/SS pressing is magical (well, for at least one of the sides -- you often need two pressings -- one for side 1 and another for side 2, because it is rare to find this (or almost any album) with white hot sound on both sides). There are any number of reasons why The Classic, heavy vinyl pressings sell more. One of them being the mystique of heavy vinyl. Another being that most folks simply have never heard vinyl done right. Few folks professionally dial in their turntable / tone-arm / cartridge, and match it with a quality phono-amp, etc. You and I are not going to agree on this Led Zeppelin II subject. You have heard what you have heard, as have I. So that is what forms the basis for our conclusions. Cheers!

[@jeremyfoster8366]

@@NoEgg4u I vote for the RL cuts to be the definitive press of Zep II. I have 5 of them with 2 of them being in that VG+ range. My best sounding RL is from the Presswell plant (PR) and has the super skinny side 2 dead wax. I'd also argue with Classic records selling for way more than Ludwig cuts. VG+ RL's easily go for $300+ with premium copies fetching over a grand. The only subpar sounding II's are the Atlantic recuts that butchered the ludwig mix. The RL cuts I have are right at the top of the best sounding pieces of music I own.

[@johnjeffery6638]

Awesome story THANX bro!!

[@NoEgg4u]

@@jeremyfoster8366 My RL / SS pressing is an Atlantic label. But there is nothing on the label that states "Presswell" or any other pressing plant. Is there something in the etching in the dead wax that is a code for the pressing plant? How do you know that your pressing is from the Presswell plant?

[@jackmontreal1]

Merci Ron. I invite you to make a special investigation and found why Japenese pressing soud so amasing. Not opinion but fact. ps. i love my 6000lps collection. And I love MUCH more mono than stereo fake. You do a good job, cheers

[@RocknRonni]

I think the reason the Japanese originals sound better is because the Japanese use better mastering techniques, better mastering hardware and use a better plating process Because they want to make the best possible record They can. Kind of like analog productions Does today.

[@Mark5W8Comer]

Thanks for the warning on LZ II! I was shopping for it, changed my mind. I've had LZ III for three months- still haven't played the original mix yet...

[@RocknRonni]

You are welcome Mark glad I could help

[@Darrin.Crawford]

Hi Ron, I have been watching your videos and I love them. I have recently wanted to re-start my vinyl collection that I had years ago. I know this is not related to Led Zeppelin BUT...I am in the market for the Beatles Stereo vinyl boxset and since I have read many times that the European version is way superior to the US version, I wondered (since I am from Canada) how do I tell from a sealed copy of the box from any local store or ordering from Amazon which one is from Europe and which one is the US?? Are there any indicators that I got the pressing from Germany? Here in Canada it states on the individually sold albums on it's promo label that it is from Capitol (US) Hollywood California. Also, what should I be paying for the box? Here in Canada I found a sealed for $319.99 and also I have seen some on Amazon for $289.99 ...again not knowing where it was actually pressed. I would be grateful to you or anyone with any insight. PS I am now starting to realize (from your videos that the Japanese pressings are the way to go and incredible to see that majority are EX to NM conditions.

[@RocknRonni]

Hi just wondering how you made out with The Beatles Box and remember it's the original Japanese pressings that sound The best

[@LaylaVaughan]

I found the LZII remaster on vinyl to be quite pleasing. Yes, it was digitally sourced, but from 24-bit files, not 16-bit 44.1 Khz. The only complaint I'd have about it is that it sounds a little less dynamic. To date, all my other LZ albums are original pressings and they do have much more dynamic range, but I wouldn't say it sounds like the highs and lows were cut off or that it lacked any dynamics. It is a well done remaster. Maybe not the best the vinyl format has to offer, as evidenced by the old pressings of other albums I have, but not bad. It's a welcome upgrade from the really old CD of LZII, as in, the first CD version released in the 80s. I do enjoy this channel. I'm a semi-audiophile, ie, an audiophile with little money, and your set up is probably far more revealing than mine. Hopefully one day I'll have a really great set up.

[@RocknRonni]

well it all takes time but hey slow and steady wins the race all these records and stereo equipment was acquired over the the last 44 years and as far as the lz records its all about what do you compare it to and for me when I compaire then to the classic records reissue these are my findings I was disapointed because if atlantic wanted to do a better job they could have to hear my latest rant on this subject look a this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/bnO5nJl9Zb6Xaqc

[@LaylaVaughan]

Ron Beaudry I'll check it out. Ha, yeah, as of writing I am just 24, and have only been into hi-fi since 2012. I have a really decent "mid-fi" set up, which pleases my ears for now, but in the long run once I am totally independent I want a room in my house entirely dedicated to music. No TV, no computer, just some tall, powerful, speakers, a good amplifier, and my wonderful Audio-Technica turntable with a comfortable chair situated between them. In any case, my primary concern when it comes to vinyl vs digital formats concerns the dynamic range that is often more present on vinyl releases. Hence, if the vinyl version is less compressed with the dynamic range, or is sourced from a high-res 24-bit version of the master, it should still have advantage over the 16-bit CD. But I have to say, the all-analog pressings I have always sound fantastic and so dynamic compared to the digital version so I get where you are coming from (except the mono Are You Experienced? from Jimi Hendrix sounds like an old 78rpm , but I think that's a problem with the master tapes being in poor shape or something).

[@RocknRonni]

yes I agree completely I to had a jimi hendrix mono Japan release sound SUCKED bad. no idea why probably like you say poor master tape copy who knows except the suck. So I sold it, now the new issues i like a lot. I have a video where I talk about them. Bottom line is trust your own ears thanks for your feed back Bro good luck Ron

[@LaylaVaughan]

Bernie Grundmann did the maters using his all analog process, and they were pressed at a good plant on 200 gram vinyl (or 180 for the European releases of them) so the only reason for sounding bad left is the master tapes. At least I know I have the best mono versions available. The 2010/2014 reissue of the 2010 Are You Experienced in stereo is pretty good, all analog, though it's a bit bright. On headphones the treble was really harsh. I've heard the MDR-V6 headphones I have can accentuate the high end, so maybe that was the problem. It seems alright over speakers.

[@RocknRonni]

i have the stereo 2lp version of are you experienced by back to black on mca remastered by george marino its a little better than the legacy reissue and sounds better than the original reprise press of course

[@BubblesBubbles]

I would guess that they were transferred to high-resolution years ago, so we may not see any analog remasters ever again. However, no one will be "throwing away" the precious master tapes. They will be protected safely until the end of time.

[@jackoliver4483]

The mofi lp of Led Zeppelin ll is no slouch

[@Bill22jack]

How do you like the OG RL master compared to the 200g version?

[@RocknRonni]

I haven't ever heard the Robert ludwig or RL hot mix but I have it under good advicement that the RL is the best Sounding version ever

[@Frusciantefan]

If only I could afford the classic records 200 gram reissue

[@RocknRonni]

+jbonefilms save you cash then get your fave led zeppelin record on the classic records 200 gram. you will be happy you did.

[@Chinolyn]

Since knows which is the original pressing? Because some discs the instruments are listened to the left of the speaker, and in others to the right...

[@Twotontessie]

Love the passion for detail.

[@MrSpocksbrain]

Great video, Ron. I have the reissue on vinyl but I haven't listened to it yet. I did have the 2014/15 remasters of their whole catalogue on CD and to me they sounded too harsh and brick walled. I just got the 1980s Barry Diament "unremastered" versions and they are a lot easier on the ears.

[@RocknRonni]

+Dan G Thanks Dan

[@Dontcareaboutoffending]

The Physical Graffiti 2015 CD album is the same album discs from back in the 90s reissues but now with the cardboard sleeve and a bonus disc instead of the jewel case. And it sounds fine to me, I had the original remastered cd once.

[@dimebagdave77]

very disappointing they came that close to the original masters and totally blew it.i don't get it,is it a money issue? gonna give my classic records copy a spin today for the first time in years.do u have the CR version of The Song Remains the Same? crazy highs on that one! keep up the good work Ron,you're like a vinyl scientist and i love every minute! sounds like the record companies need a vinyl chemist,u should help them out.have a great week my friend.

[@RocknRonni]

Yep from what i understand its is easier and cheaper to make a lacquer from a digital master. So its obvious the big record companys don't understand us record people because they are not Analog folks they are Digital. Don't have song remains the same sorry thanks for your kind words and support. I am very Happy to share the little i know about this stuff. You are right they need help, but if Jimmy Page can't get a record pressed from the master tape who can? Thank Heavens we have record company's like Rhino and Analogue productions that have skilled Artisans who love Analog and can reissue records that are better than the originals

[@MasaM-c2c]

My favorite Zeppelin album, II, but i prefer Zeppelin collection, like mothership vinyl box set!

[@ReferenceFidelityComponents]

I have the 2nd uk pressing which is available at reasonable cist still and it is a great recording. I wouldn't trade olit for any later reissue as must lose something in translation. 1st & 2nd pressings are still the ones to have if you can find a reasonable copy in good condition. Not heard the Classic Recording's 200gr reissue but doubt it would better an early 2nd pressing tbh. The only reissue I like which I have is the Elektra 180gr gatefold of the self titled Doors album which is great.

[@rorythomas3084]

Great video, however, ( some positive feedback and not hate ;P ) I have to disagree in some way, ok , so , I have all of led zeppelins albums on remastered vinyl, why? I like my vinyl brand new, I know its not damaged or dirty and any damage is done by me, if i were to get an original pressing new, it would cost at least 4 times the remaster, I don't have any zeppelin albums that aren't remastered so , I cannot compare, however I take your word for it that the original (provided its in good condition ) sounds better, BUT , that does not mean the remasters sound terrible ! They sound great , you mentioned whole lotta love, and how the part where the drums go to the symbols and the crazy swirling part, and how it doesn't travel from one speaker to the other, as if its mono , yet thats the first thing I noticed, the sound travels from left to right and it sounds great ! my floor vibrates with bass when its cranked up loud and everything sounds crisp and clear, I can say that the vinyl sounds so so much better than my mp3 or streamed file versions of the song, so sure, the original might sound better , but just because something is better than something else doesn't make the other one terrible , it's just not the best :P I will definitely look into getting the 200g reissue so that I can compare the two and see for myself what I'm missing !

[@RocknRonni]

+Rory Thomas thanks for your great feedback Rory what you say is true but my channel is about which records sound best. So glad you are enjoying records. if you can get a classic records reissue that's great but they are expensive. Maybe just try to get an older UK pressing if you are on a budget. Thanks very much for watching and posting your appreciated comments.

[@johnjeffery6638]

DUDE you wrote a book man!

[@RocknRonni]

Hello my friend after time to think about this. at 1st I was Disappointed that Atlantic didn't make a better record for the money they were charging they could've made a much better record. But is it OK yes it's a good sounding record, and most of the people that are buying this record have never owned one before so for those folks it's great.

[@mcintoshkid]

classic records is the best,,thx for sharing mate

[@ceejaydeesoozaa]

I have the 1st japan pressing of LZ2 ron. blows my US reissue (70s or 80s) out of the water.

[@RocknRonni]

Yeah I had the same experience with Led Zeppelin IV which I believed to have been a first edition Japanese but the classic records is still a lot better

[@ceejaydeesoozaa]

read in SH forums that the pecko duck/George Peckham cut (us or uk?) is the one to go for. yes I almost won the bid for classic R's LZ4 but some1 beat me to it sadly. also heard the Ludwig LZ2/ UK plum red is the one to get but they are hard to get here in Singapore and shipping from the states is pricey :) thanks for replying ron

[@RocknRonni]

@@ceejaydeesoozaa yes those are all good pressings but from what I read from folks who have them and compared them the classic records is the go-to best sounding

[@ceejaydeesoozaa]

yes I wish to own a classic R version someday. a pecko one too. that's what happens when ur both an audiophile AND a LZ fan :)

[@RocknRonni]

@@ceejaydeesoozaa nice

[@digitalmarcel]

Just bought a 1972 uk version of the Led Zeppelin Ii album and listed to it for the very first time today. I was in awe. Totally amazing album. Love it. 😃👍

[@vmvlev]

get the us version there are still a view around they are soo much more fun.. look for a bob ( Robert ) Ludwig short RL pressing .. they will blow your mind

[@galus14436]

I picked up a German pressing l, has RL for side 1, and it does impress

[@galus14436]

@@vmvlev I picked up a German pressing, has RL for side 1, and it does impress!

[@georgemunteanu1001]

Hi ,Ron! Well,how come that you like the stereo Beatles box (made from digital)? Nevertheless,you care or not if the reissues are made from analog or digital ?

[@RocknRonni]

i like good sound most every time digital sounds bad but not always

[@audioeeze8396]

I feel your pain. I just picked up Aerosmith toys in the attic, remix and it sounds terrible.

[@666kevink]

I've gone through 5 copies of the 2014 LZII vinyl reissue. They all had excessive crackle on Bring it On Home during the quiet parts at the beginning and end. Rest of songs are OK, nothing more than an occasional pop here and there. Is your copy dead quiet all the way through? I'm using rega rp3 + dynavector 10x5.

[@RocknRonni]

sorry to hear that, yes the parts I played were dead quiet, but I did not play the entire record and I sold it now. so sorry I cannot confirm your findings

[@James-hb6ee]

I gave your video a thumbs up because at least you are giving your opinion, and not everyone does in this day and age. IMHO, the COLOR of the 2014 album cover is more correct to the original US release version than the Classic release you showed (I know because I walked at least two miles one way to buy it as soon as I saved up enough money. :) I stil have it in a box somewhere around here, but it is played to death and is horribly scratched. The sound is what counts though for me, and I just may have to seek out the Classic records version of II and III. I don't care so much about the color of the jacket. Who knows, the color of the Classic may be closer to the UK first pressing. I just played the Led IV Classic pressing the other day for the first time (too many records and too little time). :( I thought the sound was very good, but I have no other vinyl versions of IV to compare to, as it is not my favorite Zep album. I had planned to purchase the 2014 pressings of Led I, II and III, but your video has given me pause. I hadn't heard there was a digital intermaster in there somewhere in the new pressings. Kinda ruins the fun. I am a few years older than you and we seem to have fairly similar tastes in music and equipment as well. I watched your equipment video first (that's how I found this one) and enjoyed seeing your room and gear. I liked all of the posters and photos, nice touch. I also have Martin-Logan's, CLS version 1's that have been rebuilt at the factory. I also run a tubed preamp and solid state amp. Thanks again for the interesting video.

[@RocknRonni]

+James 73 Hi James good to hear from you. Sounds like you have an awesome stereo Gratz! Now about the color of the cover I was not making any assessment as to which was more faithful to the original. This was just my opinion as to which one looked nicer to me. Now on the classic records reissues if you can afford them. They are so much better sounding than the new 2012 reissues. With your stereo appears that sound quality matters to you. I now am getting spoiled by the new 45 rpm reissues that have come out by various artist. I have videos on a few titles. These records sound so good it will spoil you for anything else. Thanks for watching appreciate your comments. Glad you are enjoying the videos.

[@gotham61]

But how do they compare to an original "RL" pressing? The lighter brown cover is similar to an original US pressing, while the darker brown is like a UK pressing.

[@RocknRonni]

I cannot compare all pressings but i would say any other version is better than the new reissue thanks for watching

[@MattSmith-iq1ld]

Unless you think Jimmy Page is a liar in the following interview, he makes a very firm point that every single vinyl LP in the recent reissue campaign was cut from the original analog master tapes. The interviewer brings it up, and Page says it was extremely important that the records were mastered from the original master analog types. I don't see why Jimmy would have any reason to lie They were not taken from the digital copies according to him AT ALL: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5K7mJ1pe9SCjZY

[@RocknRonni]

hes not a liar of course the remasters were made from the analogue tapes the digital remasters from the analogue tape. Why not do it like quality records or classic records did back in the day remaster the tapes analogue? Everyone wanted these records to sound great, but they don't, they sound like bad CD so I say don't waste your money on the records just get the CD its the same sound. The folks who made these records don't know why folks like me buy records, or they would have made them better sounding.

[@toastyplatters70]

The language gets murky with regard to remastering. Jimmy mentions that it's an all analog source and that it the remastering was done from the quarter inch tapes. What I believe he means is that for the new remastering process, they did not refer to the digital files that were originally created for the first go'round on a remastering campaign, but this time going back to the original master tape source... to make new and improved digital files for the purposes of this particular series. Nowhere in the interview does he clarify that the all analog tapes were what the lacquers were actually CUT from.

[@musicman257]

yes my 2014 sounded different compaired to my original copy lack of bass for one thing And my cassette tape i had my friend recorded me years ago sounded so much better i think i will just stick to buying the orignals

[@68wrko]

Thank you.....the reissue records I read reviews on are a joke...….taking anything analog, then going digital at some point in the audio chain, to take that source and cut the digital on a master lacquer…………...you are defeating the purpose of having a reissue!...…It should have remained in the analog domain during the reissue. Who is in charge here, is this the younger engineers at work?...……. You might as well just have a CD. Garbage in Garbage Out, do they understand this concept? This is CD audio on a LP, pure and simple, like SO MUCH of the reissued stuff the hipsters are buying at $20-40 on a inexpensive stereo system. It's not an analog LP. Now if the original was recorded in Digital (Dan Fagan The Nightfly), then I would understand. The entire resurgent of vinyl and the price of any reissues are never positive. Find me the original LP, even if played, or a radio station promo.

[@heliotropezzz333]

I have a 1969 1st issue LZII which I bought new in the UK in the early 1970s. Thank goodness, because getting hold of a good copy now seems like a potential minefield. Apart from there being different versions, you also have to find a genuine seller and hope to find a reasonable price. Who is responsible for the 2014 re-issue. Is it Jimmy Page?

[@mark_beastpriest5539]

Yes, Jimmy oversaw them personaly. He wasn't happy with the sound on the 1990 remasters.

[@RocknRonni]

Congratulations on your UK original that is probably the best sounding version excluding the RL Robert ludwig hotmix very nice record you own and you're correct very hard to purchase in good and very nice condition And very expensive. On 1st listen the 2014 reissues they sound very good but what are you comparing it to Jimmy Page obviously not the original master tapes because your reissues don't Is sound nearly as good as the original pressings And you have the ability to make a better sound anyone that's the rub for me

[@heliotropezzz333]

@@RocknRonni Thanks for that reassurance. I've a few gaps in my LZ collection and trying to decide what versions to buy now is difficult - often a compromise between good and affordable. I'd never listened to so much of the LZ catalogue before Covid lockdown. It's been a great and pleasurable voyage of discovery and very uplifting in difficult times. With some bands, listening a lot eventually leads to the boredom of over familiarity, but with LZ listening a lot leads to addiction.

[@zingdangus5531]

Obviously it's me - it's gotta be, because I'm 63 years old, I've been listening to every incarnation of this album since I bought my first pressing at age 17 in 1969, I've got all the remasters and they all sound exactly the same! I must be fuckin' deaf!

[@RocknRonni]

ZING DANGUS you have the classic records reissue and to you it sounds the same as all the other copies you have? 2 two possible solutions you own a poor stereo or you can't hear well you're correct

[@vuch9802]

Thanks for the review. The first record I bought after getting my turntable a year ago was Led Zeppelin II. I didn't know much about buying records from Discogs at the time and ended up getting a NM 1977 Remastered Club Edition. The price seemed reasonable. Since that time I learned more about different versions available including the Robert Ludwig pressing. I ended up getting a VG++ RL and am very happy with it. I enjoy comparing the two records. I have one MoFi, Brothers In Arms. The sound is awesome but I don't like getting up to change the album every two songs. For that reason, I won't consider another 45 rpm album.

[@user-sw4qd2up2s]

I just bought this version today used for $20 knowing nothing about it because it's NM. I don't have a stereo right now so I can't play it. Also there is no bonus disc. This review says it sucks. Gonna call Disc Replay tomorrow and see if I can return it. Hopefully they will be cool. I'm really bummed.

[@RocknRonni]

Hello for you not even having a stereo probably never having this record before you may find it acceptable it's only when you compare it to original pressings that you find out it's not as well done

[@PrivTrd]

I did not buy a single copy of these reissues and I will not, regardless of what is on a companion disk. As educated customers, who pay a premium to have an album on vinyl, we should find out if they are digital transfers on our vinyl records. If they have any digital in the signal chain, for something that was recorded and mixed in the analog domain, I will simply NOT buy it. Different story for things that were recorded in digital, originally. Page has made a big mistake, 5 or 10 years ago this would fly. Now information is freely available and the number of reviewers, like yourself is staggering. Guys doing reissues have the added challenge now of producing top quality output else they will be called out for it and sales will suffer. WE WANT QUALITY FOR $30-50 a record not a digital transfer, RECORDS ARE NOT NOVELTY ITEMS we buy them to get the highest fidelity version of our favorite music available. Well that is my rant. I can hardly wait until someone else does this reissue the right way, before the tape self destructs.

[@RocknRonni]

PrivTrd very well explained great post

[@vinylcity1599]

PrivTrd YES, YES, YES!!!

[@MattSmith-iq1ld]

Listen to this interview. According to Page, every single vinyl record from the recent reissue series was cut from the original analog master tapes. It wasn't cut from digital. He makes a strong point about it. I have also heard him say the same thing in other interviews, including one where he said "the rumor" that they were cut from digital is bullshit. That he would never release such a product. The intention of this reissue program was to use the appropriate source for each medium. I don't see why he would lie, and he has total control over LZ's catalog: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5K7mJ1pe9SCjZY

[@RocknRonni]

he was asked did you make the records from a cd source he says no they were remastered from the tape what he does not say is they were digitally remastered from the tape

[@thebloodymess6314]

I think there's a lack of understanding of what is going on with digital vs. analog. Digital isn't adding anything or taking anything away. The fact that it is a binary structure is meaningless. The format is lossless, just like vinyl is lossless. Vinyl grooves etch FREQUENCIES broadcast through the cutting lathe and it has no idea if they are frequencies from analog or binary structure. Just like it has no idea if the drums are real or a drum machine. Digital is your best friend because it is the only thing that will immortalize those "master tapes" after they have deteriorated (which they have already done to some degree in the last 40-50 years). The problems you hear in re-issues and vinyl from new artists is poor workmanship either in mix, mastering, or cutting of the lacquer. Realize most of the skilled people at this are dead now. These important parts are not "automatic" things. Some people cut great lacquers some cut lousy ones. Some people have lousy mastering ideas and philosophy. But none of these problems are because "digital". I could play you a digital archive of a master tape and then play the actual master tape from the 2" and you would not be able to discern the difference. Also, classic albums sound "better" because they were mixed and mastered for vinyl as it was the only medium and those guys were GOOD at it. Albums now are mixed for CD with all kinds of inappropriate limiting and frequency ranges within them that have no business being on a CD or a vinyl that anyone is wanting to sound "good".

[@VinylRescue]

WOW! Sorry to hear they ruined a great LP. I have a pressing from the early 80s of II, but I've heard so much of Robert Ludwig's cut. Just watched a interview of him describing the story of it. If they would reissue his mastering cut of Led Zep's II that would be a great one to buy!

[@RocknRonni]

all they nee to do is remaster it properly and it would be fantastic for me its the classic records reissue thanks for your response

[@CrazyAboutVinylRecords]

I decided to pass on these when I learned they not sourced from the original master tapes. I already own the Classic Records 200g pressings, which are fantastic, so this was a big no sale for me.

[@RocknRonni]

+jesaliga right Jesaliga, but we had to know because if Atlantic had taken the same care classic records did mastering these records, they could have been fantastic, :(

[@CrazyAboutVinylRecords]

+Ron Beaudry Agreed. But it was a hard sell no matter what IMO. It was doubtful that I would have shelled out the money even if they were sourced from the master tapes in a all-analogue chain. Bernie Grundman already did that, and it doesn't seem likely to me that these would have fared any better. Perhaps they might have appealed to certain tastes or preferences...maybe. These might appeal to people who missed out on the Classic Records 200g reissues and want these LPs on good quality pressings and don't want to pay the ridiculous prices being asked for the OOP Classic reissues. I am a big fan of Pallas and I think they are pressing some of the highest quality vinyl on the planet. I tend to agree with Fremer (which is unusual for me) that if you really want these then get the 24bit/96KHz digital downloads if you have a decent DAC and forget about the vinyl. And if you already have the Classic Records 200g pressings then give these a pass altogether because they just aren't going to be any better.

[@hutch815]

while i agree that it's a little foolish that the remasters were done digitally, largely (but not entirely) defeating the purpose of listening to it on an analog format, i feel that you are judging it too harshly by comparing it to the Classic Records copy. those cost upwards of 200-300 dollars for a new copy, no shit they're going to sound better. Page is aware that the hardcore audiophile zeppelin fans know where to go to find the best possible sound. but what he's done with the new remasters is provide a still very decent sounding copy (with bonus material on a second disc) for a price much more appropriate for the average consumer, as well as revamping the band's catalog and bringing it back to the forefront of attention in rock music. i bet led zeppelin has acquired a good number of new young fans because of these remasters. in addition, the focus of this reissue campaign is not solely on the vinyl and its sonic value. there are also CD copies (which since those are digital by nature, these remasters probably ARE the best sounding digital copy you can get), deluxe box sets including other collectible merchandise, and of course the companion discs. The vinyl copies are just one part of this campaign. PS. I got quite confused when you criticized the whole lotta love rough mix for being a rough mix. it's fucking called "rough mix," the whole point is that it doesn't include every detail of the original album version...

[@RocknRonni]

Hello thank for your reply i can tell you really care for Led Zeppelin as do I. The point I was making and I apologize for not making it clear was Atlantic could have made the same record that Classic records did. I paid $29.99 new for all my Classic Records issues when they came out. The question is why did Atlantic not take the same approach and care as Classic Records. Atlantic Records could and should have made an even better Record than Classic, but they chose to take short cuts they did not make the best record they could, they made something else, something that was easier for them to produce. I ask you would you not like to own a possibly better sounding record than the Classic records reissue for $29.99. The reason the Classic records reissues are worth so much is because they are so Good. I liked the way Atlantic did the rough mixes on LZ3 its all about opinions. I grew up with this record and I love it and I did not like the rough mix on LZ2 I believe better choices could have been made that's all. its not right or wrong its what do you like and I just share My humble opinion I expected more and was disappointed..

[@MasaM-c2c]

I dont compared them really. actually, re-issue sound way better in my ears, old pressing in my ears could sound shit, what i have experiences those, also depents, how good keeper is been? I know that, many people i guess is disagree with me about this but i enjoy more, rei-ssues than old pressings.

[@nathansmith7217]

I have a three dog night one on vinyl and it's a miss print I don't know if it's a first press here's the information 50048 2 re D 1 12454 x dct 3

[@brianhake5037]

good video! you should do a review on the train version of led zeppelin 2!

[@stuarttacey]

Also, first 2 tracks from the best version of IV, UK Plum- kzbin.info/www/bejne/aITChYxuhKiChKM

[@johnjeffery6638]

DUDE; you seem like you KNOW your shit- I wasn't fortunate enough to be a seventies kid n snag the original in all of its glory! However, I picked up the 2014 one that you have reviewed. I THOUGHT it sounded great as some of my friend from the same GENERATION. But Now I'm intrigued, and want to find a original out there. Thanx for the info. P.s. that companion disc that accompanied the 111 disc does sound TERRIFIC- I thought I was the only one.!

[@RocknRonni]

Good luck on your journey John Please let me know when you find an early pressing a have something for comparison

[@alex7712dk]

I would love to see you reviewing the new reissue of Pink floyd's The division bell :D

[@bbutler5090]

Well damn. I'm more confused than ever. LZ is my favorite band of all time. I have all albums on vinyl purchased used in the 80s. Lots of pops and crackles and some skips. So I'm replacing all of them. I was going to buy all albums in the 2014 and after remastered versions. Someone just tell me which to buy and where to find it. Money, for the most part, is no object. Also, I care only about sound quality, not packaging or bonus tracks. RESCUE ME DAMMIT!

[@RocknRonni]

I like the classic records reissues if you can find an RL or Robert ludwig og master of of Led Zeppelin 2 that is the best one is to get

[@batuksri]

Original analogue tapes degrade rapidLy over time, The tape gets brittle, the oxides get worn away. Best way to preserve is transfer to digital. And while in the digital domain, its a good time to fix any imperfections Digital technology has come a long way. So I don’t begrudge degital remastering.

[@RocknRonni]

You need to watch the interviews that were done in the last month with Bernie grandman and Kevin Gray some of these titles that they've been remastering the tapes are 60 years old and they say they're in perfect condition. But Hey that's just the guys using the tapes. don't believe everything the record companies tell you. The tapes are too valuable to remove from the vault they would rather use the digital file To them it's not a big deal.

[@yorkemar]

I have just listened to my eu pressed led zep 2 remasters...and the whole lotta love has a whole lotta guitar panning from left to right and I have some nice cymbal work too...so maybe its the us pressing mix problem?.I use an sl1210mk2 with ortofon m2 cartridge.my copy sounds fine and I enjoy it.Cd sounds ok too.Bear in mind they are 24bit digital masters from what its cut so that is not too bad.....horses for courses I guess.

[@RocknRonni]

Hi Bro its all about what do you compare it to, and the classic records reissue destroys the EU pressed remaster, sorry those EU pressed reissued sound really good until you hear what your missing on the Classic record reissue. what make me mad is I expected a lot more from Atlantic records

[@yorkemar]

ive heard a one master removed copy of lz2 on a master reel to reel player...now that sounds good..and I thought mine wasnt too bad at home after that.

[@RodrigoAlves-bc8qq]

I've just watched this comparision between the Bob Ludwig, the MOFI, the Classic Record, a 1976 Japanese press and the 2014 versions. Very revealing. The 2014 isn't that bad. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4WlmX6DgZ2HrLs

[@tbonethemann3525]

rockin " Ronnie" hates digital. I would bet that Ronnie couldn't tell the difference between vinyl and a digital " needle drop" . This best issue of this record is an "RL" version,not the Classic Records issue. He says nothing about the "RL". The Reissues are great.

[@RocknRonni]

I don't HATE Digital, what I don't like bad sounding records,like these Zeppelin records. whats with all the negativity Tony? Sorry I did not have the RL to compare so I do not have an opinion on that issue. If you have compared the RL to the classic records reissue please share your detailed findings.

[@Dontcareaboutoffending]

Digital mastering to vinyl sounds like shit, I can hear the differences. Analog master recordings to an analog record is the only way to go. It defeats the purpose of a record if it's going to be made from a digital source, might as well just buy the CD.

[@RocknRonni]

my thoughts exactly Bro! why have the tapes if you just going to make digital records, good grief thank god we still have analogue productions mofi speakers corner to name a few

[@giovannigobbi4832]

Question, is then every single record from basically 84' is bad? From that year on it's everything mastered digital except for some rare examples

[@zingdangus5531]

One other thing - if you've got the original October 1969 pressing then that's the only one which is the original mix - so what's the point of having the others and then saying 'I hate this, I'm never gonna play it?"

[@RocknRonni]

hello sounds like your a little frustrated sorry to hear that. the point of my channel if you have watched some of the other videos is that not all records sound good. some sound alot better than others do. this is the biggest bang for the buck when you are trying to get the best sound for the least money. because it all starts with the source material. in this led Zeppelin video I compare the classic records reissue from 1999 remastered by Bernie Grundman what classic records did is get the original master tape and basically make another original pressing they are a audiophile record label and did their best to make is sound as close to the tape as possible and man it sounds fantastic. i bought mine back in 1999 for 29.99 they go for alot more now because they are out of production and folks know how great they are and are willing to play big money for them. before its release Atlantic records was telling us that these new 2014 reissues were made from the original master tape and are now the best sounding version of all time. well they lied, they are mastered from a digital recording of the tape and the records sound like CD Now when compared to the classic records reissue its a joke how much better the classic records reissue is. the original Atlantic records 1969 SD 8236 us pressing will sound better than the latter reissues as the records get newer the stampers get older and the records sound inferior. but all the reissues will sound similar, the differences are not pronounced. I don't know how good your stereo is but the better the hi fi the better able you can hear the the difference. this is the point, does this matter to you? in the first place, to most people it does not. I hope you have a better understanding now. thanks for watching and taking the time to leave comments .

[@zingdangus5531]

Ron Beaudry Thanks for the information and explaining it so well. I now understand what you were talking about before. Sorry if I sounded angry before but I was getting pretty confused by it all. Thanks again.

[@RocknRonni]

you are welcome brother thanks for watching you may like some of my other videos i have learned alot myself making the videos enjoy

[@geewhizhk]

I bought the re-issue of Led Zeppelin ZOSO album. very disappointed. it was so flat, you cant even hear the bass.

[@randyvangorder4174]

My ZOSO 2014 reissue has bass that will rattle my walls.

[@philguitar1]

Just comparing CD to original vinyl for a moment, i bought a CD version of Question of Balance, and the intro to A Question is atrocious, the acoustic guitar is right down in the mix, ruining the track completely. I hope we don't have to suffer this crap with reissue vinyl. If so, what can we do about it?

[@RocknRonni]

Unfortunately this is what the big record companies are putting out most people don't care about the sound like you or myself they're buying all these digital records and as long as the record company's get away with making junk records we're stuck with it. I don't buy them I prefer to buy records from analogue productions Some of the Or mofi or the stuff that blue notes putting out now. great companies that make good records but we have to buy certain titles that they don't make so what can we do about it? you just don't buy the record but everybody else is gonna buy it so it's hard to change that problem. I was just talking about how I wish this vinyl Renaissance had never happened I liked the days when classic records direct compact classics analogue productions mobile Fidelity Rhino records when they made records in the nineties and the 2 thousands they were all audio file because that was the people were buying records and you could still get the tapes from the record companies because they didn't want to make records that's all upside down now

[@glennquagmire7696]

I can see what Ron means here. Sure, the Atlantic reissues obviously weren't going to use the 2-3 track per side Classic method, but this is just another case of committee involvement - make it cheap, make it fast, here's a solid state drive - now press away. Jeez, you'd think they'd at least cut us a little slack and tack on the Ludwig mix as a third disc for LZII. Ha! Like that'll ever happen. That master is probably sitting in a Monarch retiree's basement somewhere in California.

[@RocknRonni]

thanks for your feedback funny thing to me the beatles stereo box sounds good, the new pink floyd sounds good, both from digital. So what happened at atlantic? just a big disappointment.

[@OSGondar]

@@RocknRonni Its called a remaster for reason. Its got nothing to do with what medium you want to play it on. Unless of course, they mixed it specifically to sound better on a record player. By your logic watching and listening to movies on VHS is somehow better sounding than the blu ray. It's not. All the faults you are concerned with have to do with how it was remastered or in other words remixed. If you don't like the new mix hey that's fine. But there is no way digital = worse just because its digital. You could have your bluray movie include the surround mix and a stereo mix and mono mix you would prefer the mono based on your bias. I am not disagreeing with your opinion though. You like the mix you like and that's fine but I think this idea that digital is worse is for all the wrong reasons. Of course digital played on the best speakers in the world would still be worse to you than your old vinyl speakers because thats the character you are used to or prefer. If its a bad mix than yea why even remaster it if its a worse mix than the ones we already have. I agree that removing the right and left mix that used to dance around was a bad choice for example. I am not about to blame it on my expensive speakers as if they are worse than some old record player because objectively they are not they are far superior. The same is true of digital vs records etc. Its the master you don't like, the technology yes can add a flavor if you are used to vhs etc but it's not better. There is a reason for splurging on my fancy speakers in the first place because it doesn't add or subtract anything and is high fidelity vs cheaper tech. So anything I can blame I would have to blame on the music, the remix, not the technology.

[@RocknRonni]

@@OSGondar thanks for your thoughtful remarks the bottom line is the new Led Zeppelin remastered sounds like crap compared to my classic records reissue. one record sourced from a analog tape the other record Source from a digital file

[@TympanicCash]

Have you heard the Reissue of Coda.....I was wondering if you felt as disappointed about it as I was.....

[@RocknRonni]

no I'm sorry I purchased three Led Zeppelin albums very disappointed with all of them they have done a terrible job remastering the Led Zeppelin Records thanks for letting me know about coda

[@TympanicCash]

+Ron Beaudry yeah.....I was impressed with the rest of the reissues....but Coda was horrible on CD.....very hissy, unsure about the vinyl version, also there seems to be some song that supper from tape degradation which is a shame

[@TympanicCash]

+Ron Beaudry sorry I meant Suffer...not supper

[@MyChannelVideosz]

I have 3 "RL" Led Zeppelin 2's. And they sound great. And will be worth something. Classic used the analog masters. So did MoFi. and look at the prices of those versions. They are priced too high for the market that Jimmy Page was going for. He wants the college kids who are back in to vinyl. And the time and money it would take to use the 40 year old master tapes was too much. I guess. But if you're gonna do something... do it right.

[@RocknRonni]

They could have made a masterpiece for 29.95 that's my point just like mofi and classic did. I bought all my classic records LZ copies for around 29.99 most folks that are buying records today have a lot of money invested in their systems some 10's of thousands of dollars. so why mess around with a half baked product because you want to sell it for a lousy 5 bucks cheaper. the folks that made these records don't care about sound because they did not take the time to listen to the master tape then compare it to what they produced. IF they did and cared about Quality they would have trashed the whole digital idea. now to be fair I guess that's what Capitol did to the Beatles and EMI did to pink floyd its just Atlantic did it really poorly the pink floyd and Beatles stuff did not Suck so bad

[@MyChannelVideosz]

Ron Beaudry I don't think most people have high end systems. College students are now buying the most records. And they have mid to low end systems. That is what Jimmy Page was after in making this. they don't care about master chains. They're not educated enough or they just can't afford a $100 record. Not many collectors can afford the amount of new vinyl that YOU buy Ron. But I'm still waiting for a review of the highest selling vinyl since 1991. Do you know who it is?

[@RocknRonni]

is it one of these. www.statista.com/statistics/189411/top-selling-albums-in-the-united-states-since-1991/

[@MyChannelVideosz]

Ron Beaudry no. how about a review of ANY of these? do you own any of these? www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/07/vinyl-records-savior-of-the-music-industry/374291/

[@RocknRonni]

I have Abbey Road in the new Beatles box and a Japanese pro use series edition. I own none of the others sorry

[@toneyisaiah408]

I saw that at Best Buy in Edwardsville. Toney Tillery Isaiah.

[@supracer2007]

Great video...thanks for sharing your knowledge...you just me suscribed.

[@RocknRonni]

+supracer2007 Thanks for the sub. you are most welcome, thanks for watching so happy you are enjoying the videos

[@mcintoshkid]

why dont you show the record back cover ,,so we see

[@RocknRonni]

I'm sorry these are very Popular Records almost everybody has them. I assumed most people already had these records in their collection or had seen them. I'll try to remember for next time thanks friend

[@chrissyman77]

I don't think the issue is just digital remastering, it's also about the compression added, just take a look at the DRC database.

[@ronpearl4770]

what went so wrong with the 2014 led zep reissues, has jimmy page gone deaf, those early led zep albums were some of my favorite albums when I was a teenager, page is in the twilight of his career and after all he has accomplished the only thing left is his legacy, how could page have a copy of a copy as the big reissue of his music, how could page have records that have such inferior sound quality as the last statement of his music

[@RocknRonni]

its the big record companys let me see Beatles stereo box new 180 gram pink Floyd reissues have you listened to the new Roxy music reissues by Capitol sounds like a blanket is over the speakers even the new mofi stuff sucks as I have stated in different videos the big record company's do not understand why we buy records they think if they make it they we buy mentality. question is who owns the master tapes if Jimmy Page owns them then shame on him. Ian Anderson let Classic records use his master of Aqualung WOW what a record I just bought the 4 lp 45 rpm edition video coming soon

[@bones007able]

was "in though the out door" , ever produced on vinyl? only have seen CD's never on a record....

[@RocknRonni]

bones007able yes it was originally released on vinyl and reissued and vinyl as well

[@RocknRonni]

The vinyl issues are cool because they came in the paper bag with four different covers randomly

[@dortega12]

recorded in 1978 . no CD

[@yorkemar]

recorded in abbas polar studio

[@zofo1961]

Yep i remember going to Virgin Records on day of release

[@leonard01ish]

Isn't it just like the record company to be penny wise pound foolish... Too bad they could have something real special.

[@RocknRonni]

you hit the nail square buddy thanks for your great comment

[@leonard01ish]

Thanks for your posts! I appreciate your humble insight on these LP's. I am a sucker for the Led Zep marketing on the super deluxe versions, and contemplated selling off my Classic versions to fund my purchases based on recent Jimmy Page interviews. I am now really buying the swag as opposed to the records. I can truly treasure my 200g LP's. Keep the great Work Ron!

[@carrion_man3700]

The 2014 LZ II is a disappointment. Good for a first copy for someone. But even then, you can get a George Piros version for the same amount, so why even bother except for ease of purchase if you don't know any better?

[@RocknRonni]

You're right most people don't know any better they just want to buy a vinyl so they say a new shiny one in the shrink wrap That's what I want led Zeppelin in the shrink brand new record beautiful sounds fantastic on my crosley. And that's the problem. Atlantic has no reason to do anything different cuz they're selling all of them they can make. Thanks so much for watching much appreciated and love your commentary thanks for liking the video. 👍

[@De_Futura]

I have this pressing and it’s very underwhelming. I haven’t heard the classic records version yet.

[@sarahmarie1898]

The 2014 version sucks. I gave mine away and bought a 1977 reissue which sounds so much better

[@laurabusse1832]

The original analog tapes degrade. They need to bebaked first (I'm not kidding) something about the oxidase. Then they were converted to digital and then i don't think the originals can be used again. I heard Rick beato talk about this as he was working with page's engineer at the time who was doing this w jimmy around 1999.

[@RocknRonni]

hello I have not done any research but i sorta remember this bebaked deal but just think for a moment yes these old tapes are degrading but to the record companys they are more precious than Gold they will not mail them anywhere, they do not want them travailing great distances for fear they will be lost or damaged in any way. you have to be very special and well regarded to even to able to get a chance to hold one. with that said do you thing they will do anything to the tape that will render it useless I think NOT thank you so much for your feedback glad you are enjoying the videos

[@laurabusse1832]

Ron beaudry, well, if the tapes are degraded, and they need the music from them, and if the only way to get the music from them is to bake the tapes 1st, and then if they can't use the tapes again...then of course they can't be used again. Perhaps i misunderstood him but you could find out from rick beato or jimmy page (good luck w that one) or the engineer who was involved. If i understood correctly, it must be a difficult decision to bake disintegrating tapes in order to hear them and then they can only be used once but that was the way i heard it. If I'm wrong i would like to know.

[@RocknRonni]

like i said these tapes are priceless but I have not done the research but you only have 1 original master why would you destroy it maybe if the future a new process will not destroy the tape? then you say oops sorry we destroyed the tape original Zeppelin or Beatles doesn't make sense to me when I get time i will do the research and make a video lol you never know have a great day makes you think,, its fun

[@Matasky2010]

I appreciate the video, but let's be honest- you are really comparing apples to oranges...these Classic records pressings sell consistently for $200+, it wouldn't make any sense for them to be similar in sound quality to these 2014 pressings at a fraction of the price...

[@RocknRonni]

Thank you very much for your appreciation of the video and your response but I'm being more than fair I bought my classic records reissues when they came out for $29.95 why are they going up in price because there are a lot of people who believe the classic records reissues are the best pressings of Led Zeppelin records ever made. believe me I wanted these new reissues to sound a lot better than they do, and from the pre-orders and the information available it was said they are from the original Master tapes and sound phenomenal it wasn't until I had my first listen and heard the digital, they are very disappointing. this is what happens when big record companies get involved making records. Now we have digital records thanks to them Classic records was started in the 90s when nobody was buying records except audiophiles who demanded high-quality recordings that bettered CD and labels like classic records came along to fill that need.

[@Fontsman]

The stupidity of using a digital copy is astounding. A complete con by the record companies.

[@RocknRonni]

There's the biggest problem I have to argue with people because they want to let me know that those record sound good lol

[@jamiehess4211]

Digital mastering is probably a cost-cutting measure that is sold to undiscerning hipsters (who don't know better). As Paul Simon once said, "the music suffers, the music business thrives.".

[@RocknRonni]

You're absolutely correct my friend it doesn't matter because they sell all they can make anyway most folks don't care for the absolute sound. audiophiles and DJs kept records from going extinct in the 90s audio files about the audiophile pressings and the DJ's like the records 12 in extended mixes and such but now there's a lot of folks buying records that don't know about high-end audio

[@jamiehess4211]

@@RocknRonni It's hard to blame them, really. It can be very difficult to determine from what media a particular pressing is sourced-unless they advertise the fact on the covers (the recent Hendrix reissues make that very clear). I almost got suckered recently. Found a sealed copy of Monk's Dream and assumed it was a Columbia reissue. Looked closer and saw it was Waxtime-a digital company with a bad reputation -and passed. Seems like the only way to be sure these days is to get an original and hope you can find one in good shape. Thanks for the video, btw. Lots of good information.

[@RocknRonni]

@@jamiehess4211 well that was part of the problem because these reissues were advertised to be from the master tapes so you know I was hoping for great things but when I started to listen I could hear digital and I said what's going on then I did the research and what they did yes they digitized the tape

[@jamiehess4211]

@@RocknRonni Agreed 100%. I'm no expert but it seems like quality varies greatly on the new stuff. I picked up a reissue of Allman Bros. Fillmore East (2016?) and it sounds amazing. Picked up a sealed copy of the 2013 pressing of Sandinista! by The Clash (1980). The sound is meh (probably digital) and there was a deep gouge and a bubble through the first song on record 2 (Lightning Strikes). Both printed in England, both studio reissues.

[@cobion]

Having given a good listen to this vinyl reissue after a good sonic cleaning (it came out of the jacket filthy) it sounds like utter crap. highs are mush, lows are flumps. almost unlistenable, it's that bad.

[@RocknRonni]

+Fenris Cobion Yes and I have folks that want to argue with us saying they sound Superb LOL!!! thank you for your comments

[@cobion]

Ron Beaudry I haven't had a listen to the CD's but I have listened to the audio files. The audio files aren't as damaged, but still lack some of the sonic qualities that you mentioned, such as the spacial spinning in Whole lotta love. I suspect that the masters for these were maximized for the Ipod generation and then not engineered for plating on vinyl. this is happening more and more as the old vinyl masters drop away.

[@insomnia979]

I heard in a interview that Jimmy Page used the original analog tapes to create the re issue vinyls, he said that the new vinyls sound better than the old ones.

[@RocknRonni]

+INSOMNIA They used the original tapes to make a digital copy then they made the records and cd's from that digital copy because they thought it sounded ok But it does not. Its all about what do you compare it to? if you just listen to the new reissue by its self they do sound ok I don't have the old originals any more to compare but when I listen i hear digital on the new reissues.When compared to the classic records re issues no contest. thanks for watching glad you are enjoying the videos and I appreciate your comments

[@shahnizamdaud9369]

wow

[@RocknRonni]

Yes wow too bad it's not wow really good record. thing is Atlantic Records could have made and even better sounding record then classic made because they had all the original master tapes

[@highcadence901]

I always pass my hearing test with high scores , your hearing is way off , I have all three and the differences are minor , you make it sound like it’s the worse , positive reviews over weigh reviews like yours , sorry

[@RocknRonni]

Sorry if you don't agree with my opinion Maybe if you spend a little more time comparing the digital Atlantic to the classic records edition remastered by Bernie grundman. listen Some more, most times when you do comparing you don't know what to listen for they all sound the same your right. When you listen more on a good system the minor things become major things I'm sorry I was disappointed. I was expecting more from a major label than a Run of the mill record

[@highcadence901]

@@RocknRonni even my monarch George piros copy is not that far off from my monarch RL , it’s quite obvious this digital thing stirs you up . To me all the remasters have some great things about them . Now the mix after the Ludwig, the de tuned version , that was horrible, instant difference. I just bought the 2014 and I was impressed by it . Just saying, your the first review that had totally trashed it 💯