Ranged DPS Comparison - Legion

[@lespretend]

Shitters- BM Hunter 1:55 Aff Lock 4:00 Middle of the Road- Arcane 6:47 Balance 8:02 Destro Lock 9:55 Frost Mage 11:33 Demo Lock 12:32 Marksman Hunter 14:22 Fire Mage 15:40 The Really..Really Well Done Specs- Ele Shaman 17:58 Shadow Priest 21:10

[@thesunshinewrathhungabunga1845]

ok

[@mortal243]

ty very much

[@lespretend]

Korogan np, saw it wasn't done yet like his other vids so figured I'd step up since others helped me.

[@shaneg.8208]

appreciate the list :D

[@SigFrid1985]

Thanks! Been playing Hunter and considered BM but not anymore. Not even sure if I should remain on same class or even try my Shaman or Warlock.

[@saberwolfcdw]

You're Welcome! Bad: Beastmaster Hunter - 1:55 Affliction Warlock - 4:00 Good: Arcane Mage - 6:46 Balance Druid - 8:01 Destruction Warlock - 9:55 Frost Mage - 11:32 Demonology Warlock - 12:33 Marksmanship Hunter - 14:21 Fire Mage - 15:40 Outstanding: Elemental Shaman - 17:56 Shadow Priest - 21:10

[@rayzodoom]

You're the real mvp

[@Aei934]

I know you mean well, but he kinda needs people to actually watch his videos to make money.

[@saberwolfcdw]

That wasn't my intention at all. it was a convenience thing so people could go directly to the class they were looking for and see what he thinks. I would hope people wouldn't just look at the list and not listen to his reasoning behind where he put the spec. I could change it to just be alphabetic order so people don't know where they sit. maybe that would be better.

[@rayzodoom]

+Corban Wood I spend plenty of time watching alot of his videos. In this specific one I just wanted my class. So you're good and I don't think preach cares a whole lot.

[@wukey2253]

+Corban Wood people click the video and its a view, it doesn't generate more money the longer you watch it, you're fine and honestly if I had gone to the comments first i would have praised you for this but I had to sit through shitty hunter and boomkin and everything else before I got to see what I came here for

[@TheGoldblaze]

Your videos are getting better and better over time.

[@PlastKladd]

Really high quality with this one.

[@andrewandreasen162]

came here to leave a like-minded comment. I wasn't a huge fan of your videos at first I just kind of watched them due to the lack of legion content on youtube. maybe I'm just getting used to you but your videos at least seem to be getting better and better quality. If I had to cite one reason maybe it's the tamed down excitement you sometimes get? Just seemed a little "unprofessional" I guess. Sorry for the really downer comment but I truly do mean it as a compliment. Keep up the good work! Just for example in this video when you were talking about the elemental shaman and raising the fist in the air I like that a lot. It wasn't too much and i appreciate the tameness of the excitement. However the other day when I was watching one of your warrior videos you were just really over the top with it. I understand it's probably a character you're really emotionally invested in and I'm just being an asshole on the internet. Sorry if i'm being hyper-critical but feedback is feedback right?

[@ii2gjdp20sjdj2]

+Andrew Andreasen No. It's this excitement that makes his videos unique and shows his passion for this game. I've seen many channels that were like his is now but went "professional", as you said, becoming so much worse in the process. I've been watching Preach's channel since his Cataclysm guides and have been witness to it's growth and I sincerely hope he doesn't go down the path the aformentioned channels did. I hope success makes his videos better, not worse.

[@Perid0tStar]

I agree with Night Burn. I love the parts in his videos where he gets all excited over something or other. I don't even play a Warrior and his first Fury Warrior video had my grinning from ear to ear :) Not to mention the 'best worst webshow ever' which was just a fine experience overall lol

[@MAJCrAiN]

honestly, they are. He clearly puts time and effort into his videos and cares about them. I'm proud.

[@Zemerax]

Nothing beats waking up to some preach!

[@lukasmisanthrop8557]

totally dig that ;D

[@bradclarke7346]

or in my case. just as i get into bed.

[@jeffbriese875]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@matthiasbayer6694]

That's what she said.

[@AndrewO83]

I'm sure his missus says that too.

[@Farfa]

"Fuck you Preacher, I enjoyed BM!"

[@DeadlySins23]

said no one ever

[@daisuke2795]

+Deadly Sins i like you sir😂😂😂

[@Spekeskinka]

Having mained hunter since wotlk I gotta agree, bm is way more interesting than mm at the moment

[@Rainfalls7711]

+Bepples MM is vastly.more involved than BM. BM is possibly the most boring spec i've ever played. MM is full of decision making to eek out more damage. BM is literally hit abilities off cd. You talk shit to Preach, but obviously know fuck all yourself.

[@Perid0tStar]

Lol xD /rabble rabble rabble

[@CaptainOvious123]

"Frost is really cool" nice

[@kemyaali2056]

Ayyyyyyyyyy

[@xDarkxZerox1]

but the burst is slow and short, the first comet breaks the freeze state of the target and that makes the next comets do less damg, they dont have that much control like before. Was nice to see how few secs were given to frost and just say "yes, its a cool clast" and that was all lol.

[@MichaelPGilbert]

He left it brief because he just released his Frost preview but ya. If we were being totally honest arcane and frost should've probably been in the bottom tier, as well as boomy. They're no more fun or captivating to play than aff.

[@Perid0tStar]

I just used my Legion boost on a frost mage and really enjoying it. Ive never played a mage before though i keep hearing arcane and especially fire are the It thing now, but I'm warming up to frost (lol) and starting to get better at it. I love casting blizzard and then comet storm on a bunch of mobs :D

[@CaptainOvious123]

Perid0tStar Oh that's nice, I'm thinking of using my boost on a frost mage and never played ranged before

[@Jurdelol]

As an Elemental Shaman main who has been fucked over repeatedly by nerfs, this brings a tear to my eyes

[@DarkAzure00]

holy shit me too, I'm coming back just to experience this before the nerf hammer comes down from blizz

[@MrWildriderz]

Me three xD This, aswell as shadow priest, has got me really excited.

[@shikatsu]

+jur bergs The only issue I had playing ele in beta was being so squishy, I missed the healing and healing totems for real. But boy is it fun to get all the lightning zapping.

[@kissqt]

Just don't plan to do PvP with your Esham

[@hatsimulator]

Esham bgs are fun.

[@squidrides6339]

LMFAO. best quote... "push out purple shit balls like a diabetic rabbit." Priceless.

[@xLetalis]

Good plougher, someone's been playing the Witcher 3 :)

[@SpaceGrape]

Amen

[@kooyking]

where do you see that?

[@AsTheUniverseFades]

2:45

[@dah0heavy]

subbed to your channel love the content

[@HavocHounds1988]

Surrender to Madness is one of the coolest abilities Blizzard has ever come up with.

[@marxman6896]

MM Hunter is the worst of the ranged, and it really isn't even close in my eyes. Even if I did plan to raid mythics again in Legion, I would absolutely refuse to play it. BM, as braindead as it is, is a lot more enjoyable imo.

[@Ross97512]

MM has some actual decisions, good talent tree with some choices completely changing the rotation, damage is good. what is the problem with it

[@marxman6896]

***** "Good talent tree"? The spec is borderline unplayable without Patient Sniper and Sidewinders, which make for a locked, incredibly boring, and very slow rotation. The entire idea of Marked Shot being a proc is the issue. If Marked Shot just had a cooldown and Hunter's Mark was put on everything that Arcane Shot/Multi-Shot hit automatically, the spec would be fine. Because you're forced into Sidewinders to make it not feel awful, the spec is just DOA. Plus Aimed Shot is a mobility nightmare, just like it was in the first half of WoD.

[@Ross97512]

ill agree that my only problem is marked shot being a proc. stuff like patient sniper to me makes it more interesting because instead of vulnerability just being 3 stack debuff that you keep up, its only 1 that doenst last long, forcing you to plan to see how many hits you can get in that timeframe, or not wanting to waste focus. i think aimed shot is fine opinions opinions. but calling i the worst of the ranged is laughable. BM is a disaster and to me, affliction is a tragedy.

[@KronosSupreme]

MM to me is just a burst PVP spec, and the best pvp spec. The talents don't really give choice their is always a best talent you need to choose over the other 2 shitters. BM is simple as shit but it is visually fun. I do miss seeing my pets however. I wish BM could use your other 4 pets in your rotation. Instead of random animals make them animals you have tamed with you.

[@ryanm94]

That's just like, your opinion man. To me BM looks like total shit, Melee hunter is a joke in this melee-heavy meta, MM has good talents, great mobility, very good AoE with Barrage and Sidewinders + Marked Shot and I find it very fun to play right now. It is pretty similar to WoD, build focus dump focus, but with a bit more complexity added into it.

[@Duxaization]

Your videos have gotten allot better Preach. The disclosing and outlining that it is your point of view at the start and finish I think is an excellent touch, and ups your videos standard. Your videos are also to the point, which is shown by the videos not being soo long and you get the general gist of why you have ranked the classes. So overall good content and keep it up :) Also for Legion I am maining an Aff warlock (DPS), Paladin/Dpriest (heals) and Blood DK (Tank).

[@brettpierce5225]

Wow, never thought I'd see the day where ele shaman AND shadow priests hit the top of the ranged DPS list

[@raducostache8342]

This is not the list of the ranged dps, but of the fun ranged specs, and they are the funniest for Preach.

[@josephhocking4571]

Noxxic does however have them ranked at the top right now. Whether or not they will stay there, we shall see. I am dropping my MM hunter in favor of either an SPriest or an Unholy DK.

[@brettpierce5225]

+radu costache funniest? Did you mean funnest (which isn't a word lol) ?

[@twinkacast]

+Brett Pierce Check the dictionary, it was deemed a work.

[@brettpierce5225]

+Elias Work? Did you mean word :P

[@Xo1ot1]

Thanks a lot for your work. Getting to the point where you can make comprehensive statements about each class and spec and sharing that info is a big help for me and many others.

[@shanoer82]

I've been BM since ICC was released, my main alt is a priest. i don't agree with you on either but I respect your opinion, the video as a whole is great! BM has a ton of CD's and crazy mobility, plus monitoring your pets activity. I will admit this is the simplest I've seen it but I'm enjoying it. That being said I worked on my shadow priest too just in case I hated BM, I didn't which is good. I felt about shadow like you feel about BM, basically you do old shadow rotation until void form is up and then rotate between 3 buttons until it falls off (Void Bolt, Mind Blast, Mind Seer as filler all on CD since Void Bolt refreshes my DoTs). Rinse and repeat, Surrender to madness is so so fun but dying every fight gets old, I did an LFR and had to run back a few fights because people are jerks in LFR. Shadow is better than it was but still I wish it had more raid CD's without having to pick it as a talent.

[@shanoer82]

I meant Mind Flay, not Seer.

[@Qlimaxmango]

I REALLY love this new setup for the intro to the videos. Getting to see Preach and his expressions when talking about topics with gameplay on the screens in the background is very immersive and feels like a more in depth and valuable viewing experience. Hope to see this more often, looking very sophisticated Preach.

[@greywilson11]

"shit balls like a diuretic rabbit that's eaten a felt tipped pen" truly one of the greatest poets of our era

[@phantomjhd5076]

Gameplay on the big Tv's is a very nice touch, the quality of the vids are always improving. Keep it up dude :)

[@Quettesh]

So the safe bet is mage :D As always :D

[@Ross97512]

a mage will ALWAYS have a spot. forever.

[@Jandiss]

and if only for the foodtable :^)

[@Quettesh]

there were some darker times - e.g. Firelands without legendary and Shard of Woe :( but for a long time mage is pretty safe bet :D

[@Jandiss]

i have prefered monk since it came to be :) brewmaster in mist and WoD and i will be Mistweaver in Legion :)

[@PlastKladd]

I am forever never not going to be a mage. Loved it for years and still going strong.

[@Jezza24681]

YASSSSS!!! Been checking your channel multiple times everyday for this video to be up since the melee one, great stuff Preach! Looking forward to the healer vid :)

[@AndrewO83]

Affliction Warlock is what's keeping me playing at the moment. Wasn't aware of Utha'lesh's Tormented Soul changes but it probably still won't be a deal breaker for me. I love keeping my dot's ticking over and maintaining UA. If the gripes are more towards aesthetics, then I don't consider them to be much of a concern. Soul Effigy is so fun, my personal target dummy.

[@Drumboy450]

Preacher I need to tell you how much I actually appreciate these vids! Picking a main this is crucial thing, and hearing your opinion gives me the confidence to choose what I will be playing throughout legion :) Thanks preacher, and btw the office looks amazing! :)

[@RedRagedRooster]

About the Stormcaller. What if they changed it so, you activate it and for the duration of the effect, you cast your Lightning bolts as the animation for Stormcaller was?

[@evelic]

Preach you've done a FANTASTIC job with these series. I fucking love your channel man.

[@Agressivemassacure]

So sad about Affliction... :(

[@its_deer]

Same :((

[@klaas-janboon3814]

Play it, good chance you'll still like it.

[@Knives7777]

sadly i have to agree with preach ... holy shit its bad :/ destro too actually i kind of dislike warlocks on a whole as they are now which is sad cuz ive been a lock since late vanilla :(

[@Fenzha]

Yeh, i started my warlock beginning of TBC and played destro/aff since and Legion is the first time i have just hated the 2 specs. Demo is alright but it lacks the basics needed to be a decent raiding spec in Legion

[@Outwardpd]

Compared to WoD affliction it is infinitely better, yeah the recent changes were definitely undesirable but the spec is finally actually a fucking dot spec which is honestly the best step they've made in Affi's design in years.

[@Iamnotslow]

This is some really good production quality, you've really stepped up your game Preach!

[@Timmercjt]

HEALER COMPARISON!!!!!! :D

[@adij1950]

this is what life all comes down to

[@Pachiku93]

If you really really need it Method has one

[@Timmercjt]

I have seen this one, but I enjoy preachers commentary better! :P

[@yungcuz7498]

Resto Druid is best, disc is worst and that is all you need to know

[@martinsydij1561]

Disappeared for awhile and starting watching your vids again recently. Preach man you have really come along way, love the vids man! Keep up the solid content.

[@Anonymous-zd7nc]

preach logic, "if its shiny, its amazing".

[@adij1950]

But shiny things are always amazing. Fish seem to think so

[@Rylos277]

Its hard to like unshiny things for a long time though

[@Anonymous-zd7nc]

Siren Watcher chill out kid. preach doesn't need a white-knight running to his recuse. learn what a joke is Mr keyboard warrior.

[@Omega068]

Thanks for putting this together Preach! I appreciate the work you're putting into this immensely.

[@kazziajenkins9903]

I love Destro now. Havoc for 20 seconds with no CD and Incinerate hitting all targets is beyond awesome.

[@TheCoDzillaPlayer]

Yeah Ive enjoyed destro alot too lately. Sweet eradication windows.

[@isabelh5561]

+TheCoDzillaPlayer I really wish I understood what you like about destro. I have maimed a destro warlock since Wrath and Legion will be the first expansion where I not only abandon destro, but warlocks in general.

[@TheCoDzillaPlayer]

James Stuart-James I like the choices I get in talents and spell usage, and how it looks/feels. Its not really a complex spec, but it has anwsers to most things, except movement.

[@NecxZhor9]

I am surprised Affliction was bumped all the way down to the lowest tier. The warlock community seems pleased with the new Reap Soul. It may be less cool but the gameplay is much improved by it. Particularly the fact that it has no cooldown, which makes it flexible and gives the lock way more control than the old system, and the souls spawning from killed adds as well. Which means Affliction benefits from killing adds more than it did before. I think Preach has forgotten is that the original Reap Soul was just another DoT which dissatisfied him. The only issue is that Wrath of Consumption is not very useful now It is just his opinion but I think commenters should know the warlock community welcomed the new Reap Soul mechanic

[@Fenzha]

Demo may look cool and even feel cool to play but it has so many drawbacks for raiding. mainly mobility, ramp up on damage and target switching.

[@PeetStranger]

"Good plowers", love it ! Also new office looks great! Awesome content, great quality, Preach!

[@Zergonapal]

I do feel that Demonology is lacking a bit in the trash clearing. By the time you get all your demons out the mob is dead or near as and I feel as if I have wasted my time burning all the shards. So lately I have just been doing half a rotation with the fel stalkers and imps, but the downside of that is that I feel I am not pulling my weight on the way to the boss.

[@camzoman]

Try Implosion, build up some shards, get a 5 stack HoG ready for the next pack. Big Numbers.

[@camzoman]

Ryan W Use a tome, same as currently, you just have to buy it off the AH.

[@boobum8752]

Thanks for making these videos preacher, helping us indecisive people so much!

[@maudiepoot1]

it isn't a matter of not wanting to be a good player..people choose classes that are easy for many reasons..mine is I'm a 65-year-old woman and I hate smashing a half-dozen buttons ,,combos and " you gotta do this at the right millisecond" I just want to kill crap and loot.

[@Khorothis]

I always felt that Blizz took a giant shit on Warlocks every expansion, because their specs are 3 classes in one: Affliction is the Shadow Priest, Demonology is the Hunter, and Destruction is the Fire Mage, so if you make any of these good you're making competition for another class. It would have been so easy to go bonkers with these specs, as opposed to giving each an obviously favoured pet and a bland rotation. The entire Warlock fantasy is that you said fuck off to all the more disciplined and focused spells because your balls weren't made of glass like those pussies. The Warlock should be the high-speed version of the three classes it mimics. Affliction could have invested more into playing around Curse of Agony's current tick level, like having a base 20% to pop a shard, but each tick level added another point to that. Corruption also could have had a similar mechanic, but it would have given 10%+ DOT dmg for you only after it got 10 ticks off undisturbed. Siphon Life could have had a mechanic where each tick it got off as a simple DOT would make all DOTs on the target heal for 2% of its dmg, up to a max of 10 stacks where all 3 of your DOTs healed you for 20% of their dmg individually. Drop Seed of Corruption for good old Warcraft 1 Poison Cloud that consumes shards to power up, much like the Hand of Gul'dan for Demo, increasing its size and dmg. Hell, at 5 shards it could even move on its own and had a howling souls whirling in it faintly. Unstable Affliction is perfect now, though Drain Soul should be baseline and had a 10% chance to pop a shard every tick. Demonology could have invested more into having a ton of demons out, as opposed to having the Felguard out again but now with a gang of imps. Demo could have had a Call Dreadstalkers combined with Grimoire of Service for every demon, though these summoned ones could not be killed, since they're essentially outsourced DPS. Demo doesn't have a main pet but instead an army of them, and has a unique command bar that allows him to command all his pets to focus on one target, move to a specific location, use an ability on your target, or go on a rampage on their own. Demonbolt is baseline (no idea why it isn't, it makes no sense). Demo could have been able to counter every situation on demand and still leave room for every other class to shine. Destruction could have invested more into a gradual escalation mechanic as opposed to the rigid "gain and spend based on procs" boredom it has to endure now. As you throw spells out, you gain a buff called Chaotic Energies, that stacks up to 50, duration of 5 seconds but refreshed with every dmg spell (this is on you, not on the target). Chaotic Energies turns your dmg spells' 2% of Fire dmg into 3% Chaos dmg, and when you reach 50, your cast times are reduced by 0,08s and your spenders have a 10% chance to refund their cost (stacks with Soul Conduit). You get a spell called "Infinite Power" with a 2m cooldown, which eliminates global cooldown and increases your dmg by 10% for 15 seconds, but you will suffer 10% of the dmg you deal during this period. You cannot call Guardians, instead you have a spell called "Meteor Shower" which costs as many shards you have; for each you do not, it costs 5% max HP. It is twice the size of Rain of Fire, and upon a crit it spawns an Infernal, which goes on a rampage for 20 seconds. Your pet of choice is a pimped out Infernal, obviously. Compare that to what you have now, then look at what other classes have (the light show of the Enhancement/Elemental Shaman, for example). It's like not getting a present for Christmas while all your friends got something at least.

[@thomasnn]

I think BM feels better than marksmanship in practice, the downtime isnt that bad once you have some gear at 110

[@Deceptor]

Thanks Preach! This is and the melee comparison video have been a huge help for me :) Love the concept.

[@Narkis_01]

Shadow priest confirmed as your main then preach ?

[@blckheart70]

I like how everything he likes about ele, are the same things people hate on beta forums and vice versa.

[@greatbudda]

But the demons there so fun! Unlike those boring BM Pets and there simple rotation.

[@ZenMorph]

Yeah, I can't make up my mind: Ele Shaman or Aff 'lock. I find both to be really fun to play. Though, I'm leaning toward Affliction because in 7 years of WoW I've not played a DoT class, and it has me perplexed how I missed this for 7 years.

[@ToughJerky_]

6:22

[@kvetoslav9453]

Damn I am so glad you made me look twice on shadow priest, I had him somewhere around 50 and didn't like it at all but now... I hit 100 recently and absolutely love it, I simply cannot wait until the Legion hits and I get my hands on artifact and 4p set. Thanks again for opening my mind man, keep up the great work!

[@FuriosoDrummer]

Man, I can't say I find MM more enjoyable than BM. MM is just focus pooling and waiting for Marking, then hitting Sidewinders and casting Aimed a few times, then waiting for 8 more seconds for your next Sidewinders charge. BM's at least a little more dynamic than that xD edit: Ah, you played the more active but substantially lower DPS version (and it's an absolute shame that the numbers work out this way, because the version you describe playing is substantially more fun than the Patient Sniper/Sidewinders setup that's by far the best for raiding).

[@AngeloWoW]

I'm so happy we Shadow Priests are finally getting some recognition across the board! I'm so excited for Legion to finally go live - and thank you SO much Preacher for putting these astonishing comparisons together!

[@monkeyking9863]

my druid the other day glitched the giant space lazer and it became a permanent spell with no drain that was a blast :)

[@adij1950]

lol that must've brightened up your day

[@monkeyking9863]

Adi Joshi very much so, it even was active after i left the instance but sadly because it "walks" so slowly and cant leave the instance i had to manually deactivate it :(

[@Wfxq]

Just woke up and saw the video I've been waiting for:) thanks preach!

[@JustPeterSteel]

Looks to me like you should main Shaman this expansion :p You love both DPS specs, let's see how you like the healing spec. Well then of course you might miss tanking but you can always play an alt to tank. Thanks for your opinions.

[@divine_aspirations]

great job my friend, the viewer can literally SEE that you enjoy what youre doing

[@Kishkumen1337]

Are you gonna do new tank comparison ?

[@FisherGaming]

He said he would early on in the video. He said he'd being "revisiting the tanks in a brief way."

[@Kishkumen1337]

Fisher Gaming Ah I mustve missed it, cheers

[@Nafaniah]

THANK YOU SOO MUCH for all the video's you make... There is so much information the we ask ourself on daily bases, mindboggeling questions about what spec will be changed into what kind of monstroucity or awsomenessity... And you give us the insight via hours and hours of playtime so we don't have to feel fucked after half-a-year of gaming with a playstyle not designed for our specific needs. THANK YOU again for the information, induction, deduction and your personal opinion on these matters! /bow Nafania of Silvermoon

[@JoshuaRAWRR]

It's hilarious that you put the Ele shaman so high, because 98% of the Shaman community believe Ele is garbage.

[@wiiGee991]

Because they are 100% focused on numbers. If someone complains about the fun of the ele playstyle then a) can I please have some of what they are smoking and b) I don't know what they were expecting? They took what ele shaman has always been and refined it and removed most of it's clunkiness. It sounds like whining for the sake of whining and I don't know why those people even play shaman anymore. Switch class and shut up.

[@Ross97512]

my guildie switched to ele and is destroying so idk what they are talking about

[@seanyellin2296]

741 resto/ele shaman full mythic clear here. The class is fun as fuck. I almost had dos close to a fire Mage with how broken their class trinket is. The people that are complaining are only looking at dps numbers, and havnt realize that for aoe since we don't have our artifact weapon yet that earthquake play style wasn't going to work well. You can multi dot with flame shock for fucks sake. And earth shock actually does a shit ton of damage compared to WoD where it felt underwhelming before to cast. In all honest the "98%" of the shaman community have no idea what they are talking about and I wouldn't be surprised if they have never even entered a heroic/normal raid before...

[@finnersz]

+The KZbinr ae you going full burst spec?

[@seanyellin2296]

+Finlay Craig I'm using totems, echoes of elements over 5 minute fights or ancestral swiftness under 5 minutes, primal ele mentalist, elemental mastery, and ascendance.

[@qaroberts]

This video looks so much better than the other standing up videos! You are such a good presenter.

[@hamsterhamster6492]

Shaman if healer gets top then it equals preachers fav class in leigon

[@MrRanderas]

wouldnt supprise me. reso is looking really solid atm

[@Piisuke]

He's mentioned he is going ranged, I think it is quite obvious it is between the Shaman and Priest. Thinking about the options, I see it as follows: Shaman: he has confirmed he likes Elemental, but also Enhancement. Priest: he has confirmed he likes Shadow, but also Discipline. He's said he was going ranged, but didn't specify healer, or dps. It is assumed he's going DPS. He likes both Ele and SP for their versatility, talents and gameplay. Preach likes being able to fill in other roles, and both Shaman and Priests can play as a Healer and a DPS. I think it will come down to how well Restoration does and whether he wants to heal, or keep DPSing. If Restoration does good in his book, he might go Shaman, especially if he fancies having the opportunity to go melee. If he prefers Discipline over Restoration, it is very likely that he'll go Priest. However, he has played Priest in the past, so he might decide to go Shaman, seeing as he's had a love/hate relationship with the class and for the first time he's really enjoying the class.

[@vellor9145]

he said he will never main a healer again in one of his earlier videos, he mained a healing priest in vanilla and said it never gave him "moment of glory" moment that he craved for. But i as Micheal said, it depends on who wins the healing comparison that will decide which ranged class he will main, since he said you should be versatile in you class and be willing to play other roles if needed, so who has the most enjoyable healing spec might be the dealbreaker on which of the two ranged classes he will main.

[@diamondjozu8087]

He did take a couple of sly digs at resto healing during his disc review but resto does have different ways of playing which he kinda enjoys. However, since Shaman like the DK has at least 2 specs he likes, he could very well go for it.

[@finaleJ]

he also got his benediction back cuz it's a quest reward sadly you can't use it as a shadow.

[@rohirim07]

I always appreciate your insights preacher. I love watching your vids because of how you break the specs down.

[@filipfenix]

alot of people playing this game don't even have keybinds. Hunters definitely have an audience.

[@M-Town90]

I couldnt possibly imagine clicking all my spells.... errggh makes me feel dirty just thinking about it

[@filipfenix]

Mitchell Howkins yeah ,but a 1-4 button core rotation is in the green zone for keybound-less people like my GF , and she tanks mythic raids

[@KaGamer123]

i have a laptop and no mouse and use the arrow keys too move and use 1 2 3 4 as my main and only spells. which class should i play for pvp?

[@vozimtraktor2810]

Love the new office and the intro you did on the start it is proffesionall but I love the way you kept the way you do your videos like before and not changing to an ultra proffesional style. Keep it up, I love the content that you put out for WoW and this is the reason why when I want to check out something for WoW I come to your chanell :)

[@bigdawg7000]

Can't quit laughing about your BM part. So wrong, but *shrug*

[@therabbits69]

BM is boring as hell on the beta at level 110. This isn't about how strong a spec is..it's about how fun it is and how the playstyle is. If your gonna play a spec for a year or more, you should enjoy it. BM hunter..is boring and badly designed

[@M-Town90]

I agree, its boring as shit. Re subbed this month after having not played since earlier this year, and there is really fuck all to it. However, I did absolutely shred BG's on him straight away...

[@Despond]

So right you mean. Spam couple buttons so dire comes off, spam that. That's it. Pet dmg was nerfed too. It's fucking boring and shit, sorry. CATA hunter was the the ultimate perfection of skill depth and play input.

[@bigdawg7000]

Poor guys don't know how to use other moves then. I wish i could get away with hitting 3 buttons.

[@therabbits69]

you clearly haven't played the new BrM is so utterly boring even with 20 buttons it would still be boring.

[@TheRealCHIMShady]

Holy shit dude, the quality of this vid is excellent. Keep up the good work.

[@Akeche]

Now that's a snazzy opener there Preach, office is looking good.

[@Metalswede]

Really happy that the classes I planned to play in Legion came so high on the list, really looking forward to playing fire mage, shadow priest and elemental shaman. Great video as always!

[@yung_cheezy]

I recently started playing a frost mage and I'm loving it. Good to hear positive things about all three specs in Legion. Thanks Preach

[@TheGoldenAngel82]

Nice to finally seeing the man behind the voice :D I have watched SO many of your videos, and I LOVE them all! Good job sir :D

[@redictor]

to be honest, i abandoned my shadow main to return to my dk again because of the voidform mechanic, even after watching the shadow complete preview. preach loved it, i tried it for about 2 hours and didn't have fun at all...

[@toaonua523]

Complicated specs aren't for everybody :) try BM!

[@redictor]

Toa Onua need to cap one first

[@Necrostrike]

It's not just that it's complicated. Latency will massively affect your performance as a shadow priest far more than any other spec. It's strictly a low ping spec.

[@MichaelPGilbert]

+Necrostrike would 100-150 ms be okay for it?

[@thiocarbamoyl]

+Ricky Spanish That would be on the upper edge of okay, I'd say. Lower is better.

[@its_deer]

Agree 100% with this, leveling elemental on the beta as I type this and it's amazing

[@calibanderson]

Appreciate your melee/range videos really helped me out! You the man

[@marcus1632]

Love your videos preach. Most have been very informative and I hope you continue with them.

[@lolblackice154]

The intro - fucken pogchamp mate! Grats on the new office

[@KnowScott]

Sub'd due to the amount of information and thoroughness and thoughtfulness of this video. Well done. Cheers.

[@ph4se2]

The new office/background looks great man. Congrats

[@dewtie]

Great job on the comparison Preach! Can't wait for the healing and tank one.

[@michelchatz4000]

Hey preach, Really liked this video and the meele dps one. However as a healer main i feel i have to ask, any estimates on the healing classes previews and the healing classes comparison

[@Bernie1337]

Preach! I'm not sure if you're aware or not, but flurry makes the target count as Frozen for your icelance if you use it directly after flurry. If that helps your view of it. (It gives additional time on the lvl 100 talent, and deals damage accordingly if you ice lance, also triggers frost bomb).

[@Wowluckylolz]

I've been playing PVP on my rogue resently, and was surprised when I found out that Warlocks (Not sure which spec) were able to dot me with corruption that would last a whole minute! I find that ridiculous, as my only escapes for that is ¨Cloak of Shadows¨or to simply just flee. I wonder if this is meant to be. It certainly is a pain. Great video btw! I really enjoyed it.

[@libraryofpangea7018]

if you have a monk in your group, tell them to hit you with a detox. In pvp Blizz wants people to be more dependant on team work this xpac, so that is how it has been balanced. as melee you HAVE to peel people off your healer for now as well, even with monk mobility and paladin defensives, they cant last forever against people anymore unless those people really don't know what their doing. and as a healer you HAVE to be much more proactive in not just healing but in over all utility as well other your dps wont be able to do their jobs. with noob teams its extremely fustrating to heal, but when you have a group that understands the new dynamic, its sooo much more satisfying to heal now.

[@TheByron130]

Affliction is the only spec with corruption anymore. Currently they are favored in pvp because of their high self healing, and that 1 minute long corruption is a talent.

[@Prence]

This is the video that I've been waiting for Preach. Thank you!

[@xxFairestxx]

Preach, amazing video as always. Been following you since your first few videos FOREVER ago. So happy to see you growing. Also, you've lost some weight! Good deal brother.

[@davidcooper917]

Thanks again for another really informative video, I mained a priest in Mists and you've tempted me to give it another go!

[@phoenixdeux8988]

What's the music at the beginning Mike? the one during the Beast Master Hunter, the very faint trap/chill-out music I assume? Would love to know it, it sounds great. Also another amazing video man! Well done.

[@Lemmywinks1989]

Oo that intro looked very old school preach! Love it mate, nice office!

[@Dryarae]

Surprised you don't like the sheer occasion that the new Combustion brings with its visuals, Preach. You mention that you don't mind consistency so long as it brings a visual component to help the spec feel satisfying and I think the change to Combustion embodies that pretty well. Setting yourself on fire and becoming the God of Flame in order to set off a massive Pyroblast spam chain just feels fun, though I do understand the fact that you lament the loss of the old one. It was extremely satisfying. Was also surprised by the Marksmanship ranking. Though the mechanics can feel like they work well together in a lot of situations, I thought you'd be a little more put off by the fact that a lot of its damage is down to the RNG of its Marked Shot procs. Often during my own testing, I'd find periods of time where I was either swimming in procs (and therefore fairly focus starved / wasting procs) or I'd have no procs at all and I'd feel terrible about firing off shots to use that focus that weren't enhanced by Marked Shot's debuff. It always felt wrong when I played around with it and its inconsistent nature put me off a lot. I was surprised you didn't mention anything about that.

[@drschonify]

Darn you Preacher! I had decided to Main my shaman that I leveled in WoD as Elemental (I realized a long time ago that I do not like mixed cast/melee such as WoD Ret Pally, DKs, Enh Shaman). Then I watch your Melee Round up and see oooooh Shaman now is a pure melee spec. So I start working on gear. Now I just don't know if I can go through with it seeing how amazing the Elemental Shaman is. Thanks for all the great content.

[@rukinohi]

That office setup looks so cool! Good job Mr. Preach!

[@TheIvalen]

I can understand the comment about Combustion for the Fire Mage - however the biggest issue I had with old combustion is that you couldn't line it up when you needed it. This new combustion is extremely satisfying - save your blasts/flame-on charges as you see the combustion cooldown approaching zero, click and go and unleash hell.

[@Ferelous]

I have taken the decision to main disc this expansion and for the first time ever managed to get into a raiding guild and the only raiding guild on the horde side to clear mythic hfc, passed all my trails etc for legion raiding. Im happy that as a disc main im going to have the oppotunity to play shadow as well cos it feels and looks awesome! Great video as always.

[@marawanalsawi4455]

Loved your segment on the Shadow Priest!

[@DirtRoadRemedy]

thanks preach. As a casual player I'm loving my shaman, 3 totally different specs for whatever role I'm filling, be it solo, PvE, or PvP, and all fun. I used to hate them for being so heavy on totems and macros, but now totems just seem like I'm casting a hot/dot. Not to mention beautiful artifact weapons and animations for all specs.

[@Gorlokki]

Thank you for the video! The new office looks gorgeous!

[@markshinn7837]

Thx for all of your hard work! Please keep it up. Your PVE advice is always on the money.

[@Novestador]

Shitters: Beast Master - 1:55 Affliction - 4:00 Fine: Arcane - 6:46 Balance - 8:10 Destruction - 9:56 Frost - 11:32 Demonology - 12:34 Marksman - 14:20 Fire - 15:40 Really, really well done: Elemental - 17:56 Shadow - 21:10

[@Profoundsoup]

Thanks for all the hard work you put into this videos, they help a lot :)

[@dennisn5308]

New office is looking Swag as mate, great stuff. Looking forward to seeing more of Ghosty.

[@AgentVamp]

WOW! The office, preach! It looks astonishing!

[@DeltaWarrior95]

I love you Preach and all the work you do to make content for us man, always keep up your good work

[@Mitzblik]

Awsome channel man, Keep on the great job! Btw, what addons are you using on your videos?

[@christopherpeterson2250]

So fucking excited when I saw this was uploaded!!!

[@Kurugi]

I know fun is subjective, but for me I'm so glad for the combustion change. The fun I had with fire has never been about combusting a big ignite, it was chucking all those pyros back to back right before to get that big ignite. At that point hitting combustion just feels like a formality. "Yeah I got a good ignite might as well hit combustion now". And if you didn't get a good ignite for whatever reason it just felt "ugh" bc most likely that was your best chance to build a big ignite so it's like do I just go ahead and combustion or do I wait to see if I just get lucky? This problem definitely diminished as your crit got higher but this style has always caused the spec to require a "minimum" crit before it could be competitive, at least in the past couple expansions or so. Now instead of hoping and praying all those pyros crit they just will, and the bigger ignite happens automatically, and gets amplified due to combustion adding to your mastery as well. As Legion progresses and you're able to achieve higher crit from gear I foresee combustion being valued more for the extra mastery it provides than the 100% crit, as you'll be achieving more stable pyro chains outside of combustion at this point as well. I just always thought fire should be more focused around pyroblast, and now that it is I'm pretty happy with it. :)

[@biri0101]

I really appreciate these comparison videos, helped me come to the conclusion that I want to main a shadow priest for Legion.

[@InfusionTheory]

I find this video much more on point in comparison to the melee one. Thanks for all the hard work Preach.

[@xychogaming]

So random question. Have you tried tanking on an affliction warlock? I was just noticing all the self healing, damage reduction, the ability to get healed for 100% of someone else using a healthstone in a raid, that possibly an affliction warlock could tank a little bit. would definitely make it more interesting if it could.