Let's Talk About THAT Sonic Dream Team "Controversy"

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On November 1st, Sega announced their newest mobile title, Sonic Dream Team. A 3D platformer that allows the player to go through different environments with the ability to use one of six playable characters. Fan feedback was positive, until it was announced as an Apple Arcade exclusive. Let's talk about that.
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1:37 Controversy?
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[@GottaBeFrank]

Thank you to Apex Gaming PC for sponsoring this video Use code "GottaBeFrank" for up to $250 your next purchase: apexpartner.app/redirect/Gotta-Be-Frank What are your thoughts on the whole Sonic Dream Team discussion? Let me know!

[@polyplayer]

Apeck

[@jarmelatodyssechutminds126]

Sorry already got myself a gaming PC desktop. Room's taken until I need a replacement.

[@johnpett1955]

Not really looking to buy a gaming pc right now, but that discount looks pretty tempting not gonna lie.

[@jarmelatodyssechutminds126]

@@polyplayer classic grammar error.

[@polyplayer]

@@jarmelatodyssechutminds126I meant to say apeck

[@DannyBenS94]

My biggest problem with this game is not really that it's Apple Arcade exclusive (which yeah, I do have a problem with that, it's just not the biggest problem with it), but it's the fact that this is the time Sega decided to have a game like this made. It's something a lot of us have been wanting for years now; multiple playable characters in a 3D Sonic platformer, which we haven't had (in a mainline game at least) since Sonic 06, not counting the 3rd major update for Sonic Frontiers. And after hearing that it's like a mix of Adventure 2 and Mario 64, that made me even more frustrated cause that sounds awesome. Even if I had an Apple device that could play this game perfectly well, it wouldn't be the way I'd want to play it. Now of course the game isn't out yet, it could end up sucking. But still, many, many Sonic fans are mad. Yes, Apple helped fund this game, but unless they had a big influence on the idea of how the game would be, Sega made a huge mistake having this kind of game made for them and not for the platforms 99% of Sonic fans would want to use to play it.

[@johnpett1955]

Agreed. All we can do is hope it gets ported to pc and maybe even some consoles after the contract expires instead of getting de-listed and falling into obscurity

[@DannyBenS94]

@johnpett1955 hopefully so! This wouldn't be as frustrating if we had gotten something like this in the past couple of years on console and PC. Like yes, we'd still want Dream Team more avaliable, but we'd be like "well at least we got [game] not too long ago". But instead this is the first game in a very long time to be like that and that's why it stings really bad right now.

[@johnpett1955]

@@DannyBenS94 yeah this looks like the closest thing to a Sonic adventure 3 than we've ever seen before. Seeing such a game exclusive to Apple devices sucks.

[@JuanPablo-su6vw]

Blame Sonic team for sucking at making games

[@ZW_Zacattack99]

I totally understand considering the situation around other titles on Apple Arcade, Apple’s funding and exclusivity deals, and preservation, and Apple Arcade’s install base. Yes, absolutely despise the term ‘skill issue’ in the context of a financial decision, as well as ‘skill issue’ as a whole.

[@GottaBeFrank]

I've hated skill issue as a whole for a very long time. It's from either children or adults who can't come up with a good response.

[@nobodycares5050]

​@@GottaBeFrankWait people use skill issue unironically?!?

[@GottaBeFrank]

Unfortunately, yes.

[@somerobloxdude3699]

@@GottaBeFrankI remember seeing a PC-exclusive roblox game, and when i checked the group wall for that game, there was a person who said if they cant afford a pc, thats a “skill issue” (note that alot of ppl had requested mobile support on the group wall, and i have a pc myself) and imo, its just sad to see people expecting other people to just have the money to buy anything

[@sboinkthelegday3892]

4:36 I know their situation. They're on the market to complain what platfroms blue rat game is on. Yeah, it's not skill issue, it's inherent talent issue that DTT or lead poisoning made them permanently unhireable to overcome, and medicare doesn't stretch to frivolous purchases. For any other situation, you ahve to be the ABSOLUTE scum, to cry about PURCHASE OPTIONS and then turn back wailing that nobody is allowed to put your entitlements into the context YOU flaunt them in, and pretend to be victim. What a crybully move. YOU shut the f up. "As a whole", no, you don't get to ride the "i was born poor :(" train over entering this conversation with "I NEED my sanerk games and I need them ALWAYS!". This case is SPECIFIC. This self-victimizing can have it's place if you fr break out the numbers and call out something like having to choose between power and water. AND EVEN THEN you'd save the MOST money with that eBay iPhone, and periodically cutting down on monthly entertainment subs, that's basic-as frugality. THAT'S the finance situation we ALL are in, especially when producing US level heaps of trash because US economy doesn't shoulder the COST of sorting its own waste. Complain about lacking iPhone coverage if you were born legless into a burning chemical heap in India.

[@DaveAced]

Exclusivity of any kind sucks, and I really do hope that the game comes out to other platforms after the contract runs up rather than it being taken off the platform and within time become unplayable - I'm very much looking forward to the release of it, just upgraded to the latest iMac so I'm defs ready to experience it!

[@GottaBeFrank]

It's going to look so good on that iMac.

[@Timotarius_]

Exclusivity for consoles makes sense for some games , I don’t think people would buy a Nintendo console if it had no exclusives. But making a sonic game exclusive to an Apple device makes even less sense even though I own iPhone and Apple TV 4K

[@DaveAced]

@@Timotarius_ I think people are forgetting this is a game fully funded by Apple, if a game company is approached to make a game for a specific service they’re not going to turn it down, that’s just business in general

[@MiltonGagliardi]

Living in a shitty country, I have to save money for months just to buy a single 60$ game a year, and used iPhone costs excatly the same, so no, the 'buy and old phone just to play one game' isn't really an option. Still, I'm at least happy the game got made and some people will be able to enjoy it. I'll check your streams once it comes out to see how it is.

[@GottaBeFrank]

Yeah. It's a huge blow to those in really bad markets & countries.

[@earlduran6419]

This "controversy" reminds me how Just Dance (more specifically Just Dance 2023 Edition and onward) received controversy due to not being available on Xbox One and PS4 despite the game being released on Nintendo Switch which is the only platform supports more than one controller option, the Xbox Series version does not support the Kinect due to the Xbox Series consoles does not support the Kinect, PS5 version did not support PS Move or the PS4 Camera despite the PS5 being compatible with the PS Move and the PS4 Camera with the adapter, and the fact the game is online only though you can download up to 40 songs but your progress is online only. Oh, the numerous bugs and glitches which includes the Just Dance Version of Unlimited Colors bug reminiscent of Sonic Colors Ultimate, Lag when playing overtime at launch, disconnections of players during online multiplayer mode, a fake save file corruption bug, and of course, the many crashes. The bugs and glitches I've heard so far are only from the Nintendo Switch version and I can't say the PS5 and Xbox Series versions are perfect.

[@jarmelatodyssechutminds126]

Not to mention the use of denuvo in Sonic Colors ultimate. Why? By the time they finally got the steam release. The storefront mentions the third party DRM by the name of denuvo for Sonic Colors ultimate. So Sonic team has finally screwed the pooch once more and make me trust less in them.

[@joeker5208]

Getting some Sonic X nostalgia with the character line up

[@GottaBeFrank]

True.

[@AnimalXing]

I’m still coming to terms with Dream Team looking exactly like my ideal Sonic game

[@sa64ds]

I think I might play Sonic Dream Team on all my Apple devices when it releases, looks really fun and I’m glad a somewhat-Sonic Adventure 3 does exist. Although, I’m not sure if the game will get ported to other platforms considering Hardlight primarily makes games for mobile devices (and before anyone says Dream Team is coming to Mac and Apple TV as well, Apple uses the same (if not similar) APIs and graphics library (or whatever else) for all of their devices, so Hardlight is still working with similar stuff as iPhones and iPads.). As for Apple Arcade, I did use it for a bit and have enjoyed some of the games I played using it, including Sonic Dash+ (replaced regular Sonic Dash for me while I had Arcade), Shovel Knight Dig, and The Survivalists. I stopped paying for it as Apple raised the price of Apple One (and I think they raised the price for Arcade again fairly recently). I was miffed that Apple locked the latest update for Stardew Valley behind a + version on Arcade (even though the normal version on mobile is paid with no ads) after I stopped paying for it. I’ll probably consider re-paying for it for Dream Team.

[@sa64ds]

Geez, this is the longest KZbin comment I ever written… TL;DR: Dream Team looks good, I don’t think it will get ported because Hardlight mainly makes mobile games, I enjoyed using Apple Arcade when I had it.

[@randompog8493]

I initially thought hacking the arcade onto a foreign device might work and im sure someone already did that but i couldn't imagine how At least KZbin has my back so i can see it if not play it and who knows? It might handle like garbage because thats just been mobile games in general of this kind 50% of the time

[@GottaBeFrank]

Yeah. If only it was that easy.

[@megasoniczxx]

Yeah, I can't say i'm really angry about this since, like you said, we probably might not have it otherwise. Just a bit disappointed since this looks like the kind of Sonic game I was hoping Sonic Team would make and I might not get to play it.

[@GottaBeFrank]

Yeah. Seeing this has me genuinely interested in a 3D game for the first time in a long time.

[@LilMxShivani]

Damn, is this game just exclusive to iPhone devices because of Arcade? Really unfortunate, just found out about this game and I wanna play it so bad but I don't have an iPhone nor can I buy it.

[@sa64ds]

You can buy a Mac, iPad, or Apple TV (with a controller) and play it that way

[@LilMxShivani]

@@sa64ds Fuck, I absolutely can't play the game then because I can't buy any of those - Would a laptop work? I'm currently saving up money to buy myself a laptop

[@sa64ds]

@@LilMxShivaniMacBooks do work. Basically, if it’s a fairly recent Apple device (excluding the Apple Watch), it’s guaranteed to support Apple Arcade. I’d recommend doing your own research, just to be safe.

[@SuperSireBoyYT]

Considering how much promotion dream team is getting, i would assume it’s going to be preserved, unless they just delist the videos once it disappearsig

[@GottaBeFrank]

Sega still has the trailers for ChuChu Rocket! Universe up, but the game's been gone for over a year. It's not common for game trailers for delisted games to disappear from the publisher's KZbin channel.

[@gameyfirebro9645]

There's an Angry Birds game also locked to Apple Arcade that's pretty gr8; too bad I'm not an apple user.

[@theoverseer1775]

My dad's getting a new iPhone soon and told me he could give me the iPhone 14 he currently uses, life is once again choosing to give me horror protagonist levels of luck I absolutely DO NOT deserve

[@spiritmacardi9300]

Considering Sega adds Denuvo to their PC games, I don't think they want you actually being able to OWN their games.

[@Mariocat99]

Would be neat if Apple had added Apple Arcade to not only MAC but Windows and linux too at least. But doubt it

[@azimuddin1890]

I’ll buy it still, but I wish it just in regular apple store.

[@GottaBeFrank]

Same. That would have been awesome.

[@azimuddin1890]

@@GottaBeFrank Wait, I meant Apple Store, not arcade.

[@YeomasBros.2008]

@@azimuddin1890nope you were right put it on all app stores

[@dekulinkgamer2789]

The only complaint i have is that i can't play it other than that. This game looks good and fun

[@GottaBeFrank]

Yeah. That exclusivity kinda sucks because it looks like a promising title that everyone should have access to.

[@Pepperknight341]

Said literally everyone complaining about this game.

[@MC_MYSTERIALTEAM9696]

So, Majin next, but I don't think that he will help them fighting against Lord X

[@Blueboyrave]

Man, i remember a few games on iOS that are no longer avaiable and i wish i could play again

[@GottaBeFrank]

Yeah. I wish backwards compatibility with older apps was a thing on iOS. I would love to replay the X-Men arcade game or Guardian Saga again.

[@breeckthon5144]

I have Apple Arcade every now and then, and I do think it’s worth it with all of the great titles that release on that platform. But it’s definitely not something you subscribe to all the time

[@GottaBeFrank]

Fair. There are some great titles there, just nothing that keeps you subscribed at all times. Unless you use Apple One.

[@ToonyTails]

I feel like a lot of the people who were complaining about this also spent over $500 on a PS5 just for Spider Man 2

[@GottaBeFrank]

I don't doubt that, but I will doubt it was a lot of them.

[@inkchariot6147]

Dropping 500 bucks on a whole system or phone just to play one game is the dumbest thing.

[@afhamdanish1957]

I mean it's still mobile game but it's just a deal with apple don't get me wrong I'm android user too but i understand why this game only in apple arcade its a deal what do you expected that tbh i don't mind this game in iphone i mean this phone can handle re village and re 4 remake do you think capcom going to port in android i don't think so and again it's still a mobile game but with bigger budget game funding by apple itself with no ad and no app purchase tbh the game really looks good

[@macewindu3185]

I’m gonna be playing on my IPhone 15 plus with backbone controller. Wish this was coming to console tho

[@GottaBeFrank]

That's a smart way to go.

[@lucille404]

I just grabbed a used Apple TV so I can play the game when it comes out, and to my surprise it is literally impossible to add friends on it without owning another Apple device. So it seems like I won't be able to play multiplayer unless I can get my hands on yet another expensive device. Probably gonna just get a cheap 6S with a broken screen for like $20 to get around that but still, really baffling anti-consumer practice there

[@GottaBeFrank]

Good luck navigating the menu or apps with a broken screen.

[@lucille404]

@@GottaBeFrank meant more like a slightly cracked screen than outright broken lol, I just can't justify spending any more than what those go for in my area

[@GottaBeFrank]

Ahh, fair enough. As long as you can get to the game, you're good. Just get a cheap bluetooth controller and you should be set.

[@Nostalgic80s-nd3qb]

Yeah, i can totally see why so many Sonic fans would be upset. Why not release the game on consoles rather than on the arcade part of the App Store. It’s just baffling.

[@GottaBeFrank]

Easy. Apple funded it. If they're paying for it, they'll want it to be exclusive. Like Nintendo and the Bayonetta series.

[@Nostalgic80s-nd3qb]

@GottaBeFrank couldn’t agree more. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if this game doesn’t get many downloads, which would be a shame.

[@GottaBeFrank]

Apple Arcade has a large number of users, so the game might do well.

[@Nostalgic80s-nd3qb]

@GottaBeFrank Yeah, you’re right. Let’s just hope that SEGA will port this game onto other consoles and platforms. By the way, I have a question for you.

[@katieee_llyn]

I have an iPhone but I’m not buying a subscription to play it. I might just watch a let’s play of it on KZbin 😢

[@GottaBeFrank]

I'd say look into getting a trial of Apple Arcade. If you've never used it before, it should give you a month for free. Just remember to cancel before that month is up.

[@infintebruh007]

It's just dumb it is an iPhone arcade exclusive. The game itself so far looks fun. But dayum.

[@silverfox__12]

We finally get a new Adventure game. Sonic games have been released on every possible platform for a very long time now. This is disgusting because they know this is a heavily demanded game by die hard fans. They know they will make several people jump into the Apple echo system just to play this.

[@GottaBeFrank]

I went over the possible solutions, though they might still be out of reach for everyone. I do agree that the exclusivity kinda sucks.

[@azimuddin1890]

After playing it x3, it’s underwhelming. Controls feel a little heavy and slightly stiff, levels aren’t that interesting, there’s not much movesets and they are underpowered as h.f.i.l and don’t feel good to control (gliding), and there’s a ton of automation with the rail-grinding. The bosses (first three) were neato, if the second one confuting. I know it’s a mobile game but I feel there could’ve been much more. For me, it’s a 6/10 at least.

[@PsRohrbaugh]

I am old and have no interest in gaming on a phone. I will play games on my 75 inch TV. I will play games on my 34" 240hz monitor on my PC. I'm not going to play games on my phone or tablet - regardless of apple vs android

[@GottaBeFrank]

An Apple TV would work on that 75 inch TV. That's an option.

[@GINTegg]

Honestly and I know this is petty but my main issue is that it's specifically Apple. I hate Apple and their products therefore I refuse to invest time and money into their digital ecosystem simply to play a singular game that I in no way actually own especially when I know it would play better on any other device. I am glad for Apple product users that the game will be so easily discoverable there though. I imagine it'll lead to people playing the title that would have never seen it otherwise. I only hope that the game is able to be ported very soon because it does look really good.

[@mrcaos999]

To be frank i think gamers should stop to support the push for digital exclusive titel. They only do it because this gives them more control over the products they sell not to make it more convient for the customer. I think if you buy a product you really should own it and not be depended on the streaming service keeping it online.

[@wishbonefan]

don't forget the jailbreaking your iphone also exists 🏴‍☠🏴‍☠🏴‍☠

[@sa64ds]

I think Apple has safeguards in place for Apple Arcade games on iOS & iPadOS… so I don’t think jailbreaking would do anything…

[@GottaBeFrank]

I don't think I've seen much with preserving games through iOS jailbreaking. I remember it was a huge thing 10+ years ago, but not so much these days.

[@wishbonefan]

@@sa64ds I tried it with an Angry Birds game exclusive to Apple Arcade and it worked

[@breeckthon5144]

I got my iPhone 11 for 150$, and it’s more then capable to play all Apple Arcade games

[@GottaBeFrank]

Yeah, that should be more than enough to play it.

[@AvatarAidan]

I do think it is a little Overblown, I do plan on playing it on my IPhone X. Looks interesting.

[@vwnt]

Grrr, I hate apple...

[@jarmelatodyssechutminds126]

I am no stranger to platform exclusivity . I am the opposer against this practice ever since the PSX360 era. Mostly the DLC. I usually think their third party exclusive as second nature and filler and also strong lewd fetish for PlayStation fanboys even to this day still got the hots for. Which is why going forward I never tolerate exclusivity deals. And it's coming from a guy who bought Monster Hunter Generations ultimate. I never liked platform exclusivity deals no matter what it is. Whatever it is a personal computer or a gaming console I don't support it. You know what else I don't support. The god forbidden denuvo anti-temperance not to mention with one game or two lock exclusively to just one platform it's going to sold less copies and have fewer players of the playerbase.

[@jarmelatodyssechutminds126]

Make me want to bust out my nox. That will tell Sonic fans as well as the iOS and Macintosh fans to suck it up. If they don't have emulators. they can't access old games. Emulation is here to stay not to like Pirates.

[@user-be3qc7re9o]

So you don't like how Bayonetta is a Nintendo Exclusive, for example? Because the sequels wouldn't exist without Nintendo's involvement after Platinum Games got rejected by Sony and Microsoft TWICE.

[@BootlegGremlin]

*laughs in virtualbox*

[@louism771]

Tell me more. Virtualize macOS and passtrough a mac compatible GPU?

[@aquaponieee]

there is no way to run iOS on a virtual machine or any hardware that isn't an iPhone

[@GottaBeFrank]

I think they meant macOS. You can play most Apple Arcade games on a mac, if it's running the correct OS.

[@557deadpool]

Or just like..... don't play it. You don't need to play literally every single game out there

[@GottaBeFrank]

Really missing the point of the video. By the way, I've played it and it's pretty good.

[@StudioMetroProductions]

@@GottaBeFranknot sure if you’ve mentioned it somewhere else but when are you making another vid?

[@GottaBeFrank]

Soon. I'm editing a big Mega Man video and it became a little overwhelming. I want to have it out this month, but it depends on how much I can get done throughout the day.

[@wizzenberry]

When some random devs make a better game than sega team, 1st was modders now these guys. Sonic team have to go guys

[@asadrandolph7265]

I’m playing this game when it comes out

[@GottaBeFrank]

Neat

[@YeomasBros.2008]

This video is invalid please put the game on other platforms

[@GottaBeFrank]

How is it invalid?

[@YeomasBros.2008]

@@GottaBeFrankit doesn’t mean anything other than “you just want this game to die on Apple Arcade”

[@GottaBeFrank]

Yeah. I don't remember that being said at all. I spoke about the exclusivity. Feel free to rewatch the video to see how many times I brought it up.