Ultimate Power Reviews (ALL IN ONE) - Atop the Fourth Wall

[@robo-nidai4236]

Man. Looking back at it all, I'm surprised Ultimate Spider-Man never suffered from any back problems. Because he was basically carrying the entire Ultimate universe.

[@brandonspencer5594]

He legit was.I’m sure the other books had its fans but I don’t remember ANYONE at school talking about the ultimates,Ultimate x men,nobody

[@RenoReborn]

The only reason anyone actually knows about the Ultimate Universe is because Miles ascended into the Zeitgeist

[@justanotheranimeprofilepic]

​@@RenoRebornno even before mile morales people liked ultimate Spider-Man because it wasn't as complicated as the mainline Spiderman. I don't know why the writers on the rest of the ultimate universe didn't get the memo to have uncomplicated storylines that don't shake the status quo too much

[@ironmaster6496]

@@justanotheranimeprofilepic i always found it hilarious how every time marvel wants to take something from the ultimates is always just th evisual stuff and some origins, except for that eveyrhting else is basically just 616, hell even in that regard they aren't safe since in avengers EMH they made the evil Captain America wear the ultimate suit while the normal one wore the...normal one. it's big contrast to Spider-man media borrowing from the ultimate since those plots don't suck they can mix them with the regular stuff to create something interesting, like spectacular did

[@eamonndeane587]

​@@ironmaster6496They also had Captain Marvel wear his Ultimate Marvel costume.

[@the4thwallkid132]

Even to this day I still believe Greg Land plays Overwatch as Tracer

[@RabblesTheBinx]

I bet his three favorite Pokémon are Gardevoir, Porygon2, and Mega Alakazam.

[@jakeproven256]

Ha! Good one!

[@Dragoon1809]

Oh yeah, probably with one hand I can imagine.

[@legoking6165]

@@RabblesTheBinx Why those three specifically?

[@RabblesTheBinx]

@@legoking6165 they all have the ability Trace

[@danielbrant6740]

_"DOOM declares that these comics suck!"_ We need more of Lewis' parody characters doing stuff like this.

[@GatorRay]

Me: So Mr. Doom Slayer. Do you think these comics suck? *Doom Marine rips and tears them to shreds* Me: I'll take that as a yes.

[@ckd8520]

Nicest thing I can say about Greg Land’s art is that at least not AI Generated. All 100% pure human laziness locally sourced here

[@bthsr7113]

For now [rubs temples and suppresses urge to scream in terror]

[@danielbrant6740]

Jack Kirby help us when those AI generators start scraping Greg Land's art for their creations (more like *abominations* )!

[@DinoDave150]

Now that's damning with faint praise right there.

[@ericwhite1942]

Yeah, you need a Human being to reach that level of laziness. It's why we'll win in the end.

[@vaiyt]

it's a matter of time before Greg starts using AI, and he'll either use porn databases or scrape his own art for a self referential ouroboros of laziness

[@captainchaos5705]

I think the most frustrating thing here is that there is a good story buried beneath this. Reed feeling guilty and more desperate to fix Ben, and creating a massive catastrophe on accident. He has to take responsibility and everything. The problem is that everyone treats the squadron as villains for just wanting Reed to fix his mistakes.

[@eamonndeane587]

Even though Burbank and the Squadron's Government are the one's responsible for the Destruction and Carnage?

[@mitchellcowan2500]

“Sir you need to call for a full scale evacuation.” “Of the entire Eastern seaboard!? And where should I put everyone? YOUR house!?” These are bad comics but that exchange is hilarious to me.

[@DinoDave150]

Never before has that one clip from MST3K been more appropriate for a series. "We hope you enjoyed No Moral Theater!" Seriously. It simply astounds me how despite having THREE writers and NINE issues, NOTHING happens in this comic!!! Also Greg Land can eat shit.

[@GatorRay]

I say he can be forced to drink an ogre's crap from a toilet THROUGH A STRAW!

[@Dreigonix]

Greg Land’s been real quiet since this dropped. Almost like he disappeared without a trace.

[@creativepseudonym9872]

I see what you did there.

[@eamonndeane587]

The Fact that Lewis managed to milk as much Comedy from reviewing such a Plotless and Artless mess like this Miniseries is worthy of a Salute. I'm among the contrarians that don't like Ultimate Mr Fantastic being turned into an Evil Irredeemable monster.

[@GatorRay]

I hope he does a remake of the worst Heroes becoming villains list next year to celebrate the original upload's 15th anniversary.

[@SpawnRevenge92]

I honestly don't like Reed Richards in any shape or form. He's always some variety of dick. I do agree that Ultimate Reed was better than regular Reed, though. And his age also made some blunders more forgivable. Regular Reed is just the worst.

[@eamonndeane587]

​@@GatorRayYou and me both.

[@GatorRay]

@@eamonndeane587 Welp. I now understand why he hasn't after watching his video on The Heroic Green Goblin.

[@troin3925]

The tracing adds to the comedy. I can't stop laughing at the weird faces!

[@ReverseUnicorn]

Ultimate Thor's hammer DOESN"T have the "only the worthy" enchantment that regular Mjolnir has, this is important because Ultimate Magneto later takes it.

[@ianbyrne465]

From what I remember hearing: Greg was initially brought on for more work because he was good at hitting deadlines, and as time went on and he had more responsibility and the same deadlines to hit, he started relying more and more on tracing than he did on just drawing like a normal artist.

[@Savagewolver]

Understandable, but it doesn’t make the art good.

[@ianbyrne465]

@@SavagewolverAbsolutely not. The tracing is atrocious. It’s a shame too, since Greg’s a pretty good artist when he actually tried.

[@justanotheranimeprofilepic]

​@@Savagewolverabout not understandable. If you can't meet the deadlines you schedule a meeting with your boss, tell them that you have far too much on your shoulders to be able to handle, then if they still don't listen then try to hit the deadlines, if you miss you just prove the point

[@jeremyowens3319]

"Doom is a magnificent bastard. He read Doom's book!" got me good. I laughed a LOT.

[@RosieTheRo]

sometimes i feel self-concious about how much I rely on clip studio's 3D models for posing and perspective in my art, but then i remember that at least my characters look consistent and i have the rights to use those assets and i feel a bit better

[@calebmarmon1310]

Keep making these All-in-one videos. They’re a great way to re-watch the reviews.

[@skyslasher2297]

Honestly my problem with Land isn’t just that he’s tracing or even his laziness it’s the weird hyper realistic style on top of it. It reaches uncanny valley territory in the faces especially with their gaping maws a lot like Brett Booth the more I think about it.

[@eamonndeane587]

If they wanted a Hyper realistic artist who makes his Heroes resemble celebrities, they should hire Rags Morales instead.

[@vaiyt]

The realistic style also highlights the laziness of the tracing by making it obvious when a character's real-life model changes from panel to panel.

[@ammagon4519]

And it's why I'm not a fan of "realistic" type of arts, especially comics, but holy cow Alex Ross is an absolute exception.

[@eamonndeane587]

​@ammagon4519 Rags Morales pulls it off quite well too (for all the many issues with Identity Crisis, Morales' artwork for that absolutely beautiful, especially in Sue Dibney's memorial service).

[@DrakeyC]

You know, the more I think about the reveal about what was really behind the biological attack on the Supreme Power universe, the less sense it makes. To start, Emil Burbank created the biological weapon to kill Hyperion, but it didn't, he was able to fight through its power loss. And then he pinned the blame on Reed Richards for it using the probe, causing the inter-dimensional brawl. What was his plan to deal with the Marvel heroes once they came to their universe? Was that his plan all along, to get them to kill Hyperion? But that can't be it, because how could he know that universe's heroes were strong enough to do it, and how would he know they exist anyway? And once Hyperion beat them, Supreme Power and the rest of Earth would still be pissed at the alternate dimension for all this. Why would Burbank knock out Reed to stop him from getting the other heroes to stop fighting, he should want them to stop fighting just as much as Reed. Also, Reed says the probe is similar to a spore he's found on other extra-dimensional excursions, but how is that possible if the weapon was actually Burbank's creation and they supposedly didn't have the means for multi-dimensional travel? Reed's comment about making sure that no biological matter could adhere to the probe rules out that Burbank got the spore from the probe in the first place. Or is it just a huge coincidence that Burbank's weapon happens to be genetically similar to the spore? The reveal that the creator of the bio-weapon was actually Burbank and he used Reed as a scapegoat either relies on him having a crapton of knowledge about the Ultimate universe that he shouldn't be able to possess, or a convenient series of coincidences. And all to create and deploy a bio-weapon that didn't even accomplish the thing it was supposed to, and in fact made things worse because it started an inter-dimensional war!

[@Tplwtch]

I really like that Ultimate Nick Fury complains about Ultimate Spiderman learning nothing in school and ask him to be Ultimate Hulk "Jimmy" Cricket, when in the original Pinocchio tale, the "Talking Cricket" is a really minor character with far less importance than in the Disney movie BECAUSE PINOCCHIO JUST KILL HIM WITH A HAMMER WHEN JIMMINY SHOWS UP AND START LECTURING HIM, TRYING TO BE PINOCCHIO'S CONSCIENCE. :chefkiss:

[@repulser93]

Honestly, depending on who was writing him, either Fury made that suggestion unaware of Disney’s changes (Bendis)… Or he knew EXACTLY how the original went and intended for Peter to suffer the same fate as his mom and dad. (Loeb at his worst)

[@sebastianevangelista4921]

I've definitely been looking forward to this particular compilation and am totally down for more Ultimate Universe content on this channel, especially given how The Maker has made a resurgence since the 2015 Secret Wars.

[@brianlewolfhunt]

A favorite of mine. This is my popcorn flick of the reviews. Simple and fun. I love returning to these.

[@edgesmith7112]

1:21:32 couldn’t it be possible that the person who proved the Earth in the Supreme Power universe was a person with the name Columbus

[@christalerico6953]

Ok so, this started as a way for Reed to find a cure for Ben because a piece of his skin fell off and showing what was underneath. Which is admittedly a pretty good idea; the skin, not the cure. I'm sure it's been covered somewhere, but I don't know how Thing's body works. But the resolution to that is just "Well it grew back and it's all good now"? The hell? It grew back in what, a week? Less than that because they showed Ben before Reed left and I don't remember seeing a piece missing from his shoulder. I don't know how the Ultimate Universe lasted as long as it did with writers phoning it in and coupon Alex Ross doing the art.

[@DinoDave150]

Hey! Calling Greg Land "Coupon Alex Ross" is an insult to Alex Ross AND coupons!

[@christalerico6953]

@@DinoDave150 I was thinking free sample Alex Ross, but at least you get something of value from a free sample. I say Alex Ross because they both use photo reference. Obviously Ross is way better. If nothing else he at least takes his own reference photos and they're not paused...umm..."movies"?

[@AngryIrishBenjamin]

The consensus seems to be, Ultimate Spider-Man. No matter how bad things got, the Ultimate Peter Parker/Miles Morales were always top notch.

[@christalerico6953]

@@AngryIrishBenjamin Ultimate Spiderman was the best Spidey book for awhile. Especially with what creative was doing to mainline Peter at the time. But one great book doesn't make up for an entire line being crap.

[@myriadmediamusings]

I went to the SDCC museum a short while back and there was a section of their limited time Spidey exhibit dedicated to the Ultimate universe and how Ultimate Spidey was the trailblazer. Seeing Ultimate Peter as one of the least insane people in this and all other Ultimate universe AT4W reviews does make me mystified at how it did last so long. Ultimate F4 I heard was not too bad either, and them having pathos in Ultimate Power certainly helps. But with Ultimate Reed now the villainous Maker, pretty much the only good comic thing to come out of the Ultimate universe now is Miles Morales.

[@EliDEVITTSpeaks]

It started out good and got edgy real quick.

[@skyslasher2297]

Honestly Ultimate Spiderman was too influential it gave marvel the wrong idea that people only want to see Peter Parker be like a teenager leaving him stuck in a perpetual loop where this 30 year old man acts like a 16 year old kid. Thats not the stories fault nor Bendis but its undeniable its long term impact did more harm than good for Peters character. Miles is fine though

[@undead923]

Maker and Miles were pretty good in Secret Wars, especially with how they bounce off their 616 counterpart

[@ClericOfPholtus]

and us getting to have Sam L Jackson play Nick Fury in the movies/cartoons. Badass superspy boss

[@TevyaSmolka]

@@ClericOfPholtus yup that’s right

[@SnakeRoadComicsOfficial3677]

"You presume Doom cares" needs to be a meme.

[@Hawkatana]

4:26 This aged well.

[@gracekim1998]

😂

[@JDMaverick6714]

Did Greg Land really just trace Tobey Maguire’s Spider-Man suit and hopes no one would notice? 🤦‍♂️SMH

[@Cartoonguy133]

It looks like he traced Hugh Jackman when drawing Wolverine too.

[@JomasterTheSecond]

Greg Land's Ultimate Power is like The Limbo of the Lost of comic books. As in it straight up lifts its assets from elsewhere and is unfulfilling as all hell.

[@idongesitusen5764]

With the rise of Spider multiversring in other media, I hope to see some MC2 books eventually.

[@repulser93]

If Tom Holland and Zendaya are signed up for another trilogy, then I guarantee it will end with the first live-action Spider-Marriage and Peter passing the mantle to Miles while he and MJ raise baby Mayday Parker.

[@YMasterS]

​@Adam Sherman yes, but they'll go from starting to date at the end of one movie/series to already married and have a 2 year old daughter in the next project because the MCU writers don't treat it like a story.

[@jakeproven256]

16:14 Someone should've said something similar to Mr.Fantastic when he said "wives are to be kissed and not heard" I'm not kidding, he said that once, and people wonder why I'm so hard on Reid Richards!

[@jakeproven256]

I would like to point out that, the fact that the female characters Greg Land "draws" via tracing coming from pornography, can come off as extremley sexist. I mean look, if I was an artist and I was a lazy tracer, I would at least have the dignaty to for when "drawing" female characters who are suposed to be strong, I would use images of characters like Wonder Woman or Captain Marvel, or heck even for female suporting characters I would use generic stock images of women doing things as refference. I'm just saying, if a male is a tracer and for the female characters, he only uses porn as a refference, that's very telling of how he views women.

[@bobi200samatar6]

To throw the guy a single bone, he does seem to copy porn for the guys in his 'art' too, if all the bizzare orgasm faces are anything to go by. But yeah, if you're going to copy art for your superhero book, why not steal from photos portraying athletes? You know, guys and gals at the peak of health and strength, and who are often photographed or recorded competing or showing off? Like, c'mon dude.

[@jakeproven256]

@@bobi200samatar6 Oh right, I should've mentioned athletes as an example. Thanks for mentioning that.

[@Rabbitlord108]

​@@bobi200samatar6I wonder if he's ever met Frank Miller.

[@m.comicman243]

You know, if you think about it, Greg Land is basically the real person equivalent of an A.I. artist. Sure, he IS drawing the pages, but his work has a lot of the same hallmarks: Stealing off of pre-existing images/artwork, inconsistent character details, wonky anatomy and proportions, and haphazard and bizarre design choices. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if Land eventually gets tired of tracing things himself and starts using A.I. in his future stories. Why not? There are already a couple of artists at DC getting away with using A.I., and Marvel seemed fine with him tracing for years and are still hiring him for projects. It feels rather inevitable.

[@dragonempress8367]

This finally came out. Now I could look at all the copy and paste artwork in all it's glory. 😀

[@Rakiarmas]

I don't know if anyone has said this, but I think you could get a interesting looking wallpaper if somehow we manage to edit all the similar character models into a row. Like a measurement tape to see how far this goes.

[@Maswartz226]

It's astounding that Greg Land still gets work.

[@DinoDave150]

Well if Frank Miller can even after Holy Terror, then it shouldn't seem that implausible.

[@wikiuser92]

It's things like these that make people shake their heads and groan in frustration.

[@TheGoldenNeil]

@@DinoDave150 Hey, at least Frank makes his own crap, in both writing and art. And he has stories that are beloved, from DKR, to Daredevil, to Ronin, to Sin City, etc. A ton of junk often gets overshadowed by those beloved stories, and more. Greg, however, just traces, and somehow has been getting books and covers for years. And he’s gotten even lazier! There’s been a bunch of covers where Spider-Gwen clones are the Sinister Six, and there’s about 3 different poses for the 6 of them… it’s so bad!

[@daelen.cclark]

Did he get better?

[@justanotheranimeprofilepic]

I assume it gets art out faster despite being incredibly scummy and taking the place reserved for artists

[@LordSchattenwind]

It's still baffling to me how little can happen in a storyline that spans 9 issues. Ugh.

[@TheOpinionator1610]

With how little plot there is and how bad the art is, I’m surprised Linkara was able to make these reviews as funny as he did. 😂

[@GatorRay]

With as little to say about the actual comics there is. I think that leaves more room for including gags.

[@troin3925]

I was already laughing at the tracing and the lorem ipsum bit!

[@maxxjapan619]

It honestly just shocks me that Greg Land still gets work. There was an issue of Ultimate Fantastic Four he did where he literally just traced Deep Space Nine and then flipped it upside to to show an alien ship. Another time he traced over work Bryan Hitch (a fellow Marvel artist of all people!) did in Ultimates 2. You can claim you like or dislike a comic artist's style, that's personal taste, that's fine. But tracing over someone else's work, changing a few details, and calling it your own work? Disgraceful. Also, just in case nobody mentioned this and Lewis doesn't know; that's not the same Doctor Doom who went to the Marvel Zombies universe. He's still there. This Doctor Doom (who later appears in Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum) was retconned to be Sue and Johnny Storm's mother who had been working with Doom for years.

[@troin3925]

He mentioned the last part.

[@eamonndeane587]

@maxxjapan619 Which is baffling since Mrs Storm is shown attending her husband's funeral in Ultimatum Requem.

[@hitomisalazar4073]

Gotta say though, after World War Hulk's Reed Richards constantly going: "But I didn't INTEND to kill billions of people so I'm blameless"... I still do like the Ultimate Reed Richards realizing that actions have consequences, intention wise or not.

[@brandonspencer5594]

….remind me again why ultimate reed became a villain?

[@LupineShadowOmega]

@@brandonspencer5594 Because he was way more likable than normal Reed. They just chose the wrong Reed. XD

[@GatorRay]

@@LupineShadowOmega I wonder if it could've been to contrast Sue Storm going evil at one point in the main comics.

[@richborn6700]

​@@brandonspencer5594more or less his genius led to unchecked ego and apathy on a multiversal scale

[@justanotheranimeprofilepic]

​​@@richborn6700super genius doesn't remove empathy. Especially since he is shown in this series to be quite empathetic to the plight of Ben grim and the supreme power universe

[@ya-kiri794]

1:29:17 So Fury's solution to the two colliding factions (the Ultimates and Squadron) that are resulting in destruction...is to introduce an even dangerous third party (Ultimate Hulk) that will result in worse collateral and then even more when the two other previously conflicting factions (that were the initial issue) cause more damage in trying to stop the new third element (the Hulk) that's causing destruction.....Genius! Fury, you magnificent bastard I READ YOUR BOOK!!!!

[@Rabbitlord108]

And even more deaths if Ultimate Hulk DOES eat people.

[@rickdaniel7341]

1:43:20 Hulk is really struggling with this “Phantom Thieves” thing.

[@eamonndeane587]

"PERSONA!!!!!!" It's even more amusing when you consider that Akechi's English VA Robbie Daymond is the voice of Spider-Man in the 2017 Animated series.

[@JamailvanWestering]

Well Lewis, you didn’t luck out with the 2015 version, which had some amazing moments and awesome story to boot, but Hickman was writing it since his FF days at Marvel which was also amazing and heartwarming

[@maxxjapan619]

Considering Secret Wars is supposed to be the sixth Avengers movie, I'd say it's a safe bet we're seeing it for the next event comics month. I read it as it was coming out and it was really good, and had some excellent tie-ins to boot (Where Monsters Dwell, 2099, Squadron Sinister, Marvel Zombies vs Age of Ultron, Renew Your Vows, and Little Marvel AvX were standouts).

[@JamailvanWestering]

@@maxxjapan619 what I especially loved about it was the prelude Time Runs Out. Frank Castle entering a bar with the entire criminal underworld in attendance Tony revealing he knew about this happening all this time and thought it was futile to do something (which ended up making Steve so pissed if they started fighting again) I also loved A-Force but the overal event was just amazing with some damn amazing moments and stories

[@MTdaBlacking]

I think compiling all of these comics together really makes the whole thing worse and emphasizes slow and meaningless any plot progression feels like. At least seeing these things weeks/months apart concealed how little things changed...

[@12thLevelSithLord]

For real. What even happened in this story? Reed sent a probe to other dimensions. Alternate dimension people show up and they fight. Our heroes go to the alternate dimension and they fight. Some new people from other alternate dimensions show up and they fight. Doctor Doom and Hulk show up at some point and they fight. The end. Did I miss anything?

[@eamonndeane587]

@@12thLevelSithLord Lots of the heroes in their fight scenes had orgasmic facial expressions.

[@thomaspalazzolo5902]

Nick Fury's "secret things! Things you know nothing about!" makes me think of Pee-wee Herman's, "there are things about me you couldn't understand. Things you shouldn't understand."

[@farmersgirl624]

I honestly still laugh at what, to me, is your best line: "Why am I even reading this?!" from Issue 4.

[@farmersgirl624]

The answer is: because I make money mocking crap like this.

[@troin3925]

Even though I didn't finish these reviews as they were coming out, I'm glad that you included a Missed Opportunities clip there (and of course, it's just as hilarious as the tracing! Seriously, Lorem ipsum!?). I really appreciate you taking stuff like that into account when making these compilations, Missed Opportunities and Screwups in these compilations are very useful for people who haven't watched those videos before.

[@constructivecriticism2568]

1:40:28 Wait a second, the Skrullian Skymaster turned into a gray version of 616 Hulk, having the purple pants and smoother body features. But why though?

[@DrAnarchy69]

1:23:49 maybe he’s referring to the great disco classic “Ring my Bell” by Anita Ward. I’m pretty sure it’s a euphemism for having sex.

[@skyslasher2297]

37:47 Btw Reed tried purposing at her fathers funeral. Ya he died in Ultimatum too.

[@JS-hw8ve]

There WERE some good points to the Ultimate Universe... but over time, they got brushed aside and forgotten by creators who toke over for ones who had been in on it from the start. Worst among them was Joeph Loeb. The 616 and 1610 were never meant to be the same, you were supposed to see similarity but recognize them as different straight away. It was NOT meant to be a rerun of what we had already seen. Loeb took over as creative head of 1610 and literally made it the same as the 616. Thor started talking in his all too familiar Shakespeare Patois, costumes started to look the same as the ones from the 616, but the attempt at shock value was still there. Loeb amped that up, added nonsensical M Night Shyamalan style plot twists, and the stories became unreadable. Then, when Loeb had finished breaking his toys, he said "It's too much like the regular Marvel Universe, so there's no point to it, let's shut it down." The guy ended it because he hated what it had become... and he was the one who made it that way. Marvel DID try to salvage some of the good from the 1610, but sometimes it worked, sometimes it failed. I love seeing Miles in the 616, despite some bad writing since Bendis left the book, but bringing over Jimmy "Wolverine Junior" was a mistake... then again, making Jimmy was a mistake. And let's not forget all the influence the 1610 had on the final product that was the MCU. Hawkeye and Natasha being SHIELD agents who were placed on the Avengers, for example, and all the visual cues and details like Samuel L Jackson as Fury. In many ways, the 1610 was hot garbage, but it also had some really great parts that were squandered when Loeb captained it straight into an iceberg.

[@andyetnobananas]

You know, rewatching these reviews so many years later, the recent AI art boom and Greg Land's art are uncannily similar, in both composition process and final result. Stealing things from others and combining them in a way that ends up stilted and uncanny. If there is an argument for why AI art shouldn't be in comics, this series and other's by Land is a good counterpoint.

[@dylanthomas3072]

Dull Surprise Storm in particular sounds like an action figure.

[@psychotroniccity]

"Maybe they liked how successful Marvel Zombies was, and thought the 'eating people' part is what people wanted." That probably makes the most sense? Y'know, not a great explanation, but at least it's AN explanation.

[@genesismultiverse4896]

weirdly the spider looking at thor joke actually makes sense when you know the many affairs gods in ancient past had which includes young teenagers not kidding

[@justanotheranimeprofilepic]

1:05:14 to answer the question, yes Hyperion needs to be worthy

[@thomaspalazzolo5902]

Y'know they ever adapt Ultimate Power as a movie they should cast Tracy Morgan, Tracy Ulman, and Trace Beaulieau.

[@captainchaos5705]

Hear me out: Tracy Morgan as Nick Fury

[@wilhelmhedin8845]

The tracing has reached Critical Maas!!!!!

[@benwasserman8223]

So are we ever going to see Lewis review Miles Morales’ origin? Sam Jackson Nick Fury aside, he might be the only thing people remember from the Ultimate universe these says. Which is weird.

[@myriadmediamusings]

I can MAYBE see Miles being part of SOM. Keyword being maybe because of his recency. At least for Harley Quinn she came out in the 90s and long ago enough.

[@lordultimus559]

That's because most of the good stuff from the Ultimate universe found its way into the main Marvel continuity. Including Miles, funnily enough.

[@benwasserman8223]

@@lordultimus559 Honestly I feel like the 2015 Secret Wars event was done mainly to shove Miles into the 616 universe. Which gets equally complicated when you learn about his real 616 counterpart who became Fisk's crime partner AND moved to the Ultimate universe just to start things up with his dead gf.

[@ramblingRJ]

This plot of Reed's probe devastating a whole planet reminds me of the "Space: 1999" story "Voyager's Return", where the Queller Drive ravaged a planet, and the survivors came hunting the creator.

[@autobotproductions1244]

the sad thing is, the premise has potential. A biomass destroying the Squadron Supreme's universe is traced back to the Ultimates universe and they kidnap Reed to fix it with the heroes following after. Except that the probes are sabotaged by Doom, who wanted to use the bio mass to destroy the world to a certain extent so it could be weak enough for him to take over. The plot is revealed and the two teams work together to fight the biomass and stop Doom. and it takes like four issues, max

[@tannerprice2018]

To this day, I still never understand why Greg Land kept his career for long, despite literally cheating his career.

[@musicandmagic909]

Laziness makes your job easier, and they kept paying him. That's how.

[@richborn6700]

He wasn't bad early on. I remember finding a DC comic he did at my library from 1998, it was actually hand drawn

[@mitchellalexander9162]

I'm just disturbed that Ultimate Reboot Supreme Power looks A LOT MORE like The Seven of the Amazon Prime's adaptation of The Boys... Are we sure that The Seven is supposed to be just the Evil Justice League?

[@sockpuppy8811]

Ennis hate too much superheroes to care about the Not Justice League of Marvel, I would say... It's probably just a coincidence.

[@watchm4ker]

Convergent evolution.

[@noir-214]

1:36:45 like a certain well renowned artist who worked on the two greatest superhero comics in the world

[@lucaschannel726]

1:40:02 ultimate spiderman comics both the Peter and miles era was basically the only thing that kept readers interested and constantly good. Yes they had their rock stupid bad moments, but you can ask anyone and they can tell you the good outweighed all the bad.

[@SCWRMComms]

Been waiting for this compiling for a while, many thanks. -Teo

[@WolfJarl]

1:21:30 Columbus didn't discover the world being shperical, that was Aristotle and Pythagoras. Columbus thought the world was pear-shaped. He was kind of an idiot, much like that Lex Luthor stand-in.

[@skyslasher2297]

This mini series does raise the important questions would have Ultimate Power or Unlimited Power you make the call.

[@eamonndeane587]

Unlimited POWER!!!!!! Ian McDiarmid for the Win.

[@mikegates8993]

Oh right, he reviewed this one. How'd I forget this existed? The comic may be forgettable, but the reviews were pretty good.

[@OnDavidsBrain]

A lazy artist for an equally lazy story. Sounds like a match made in lazy town.

[@OrjanGrahn]

Do not forget the lazy editor that let the fake latin text stay in. 😊

[@parrotantics2046]

Great, I liked the playlist already, but this compilation is way more convenient. Cheers!

[@williamthomasberk6557]

"Never draw anything you can copy, never copy anything you can trace, never trace anything you can cut out and paste up." -- Wally Wood

[@MrDman21]

When somebody asks Greg Land does he draw or does he trace he says "both".

[@sockpuppy8811]

Too back he suck at both of them

[@Rabbitlord108]

1:24:21 Here's an idea I have for a new end of year list. Dumbest superhero plans of all time. As in plans concocted by superheroes that are incredibly stupid. My biggest example of which. Ultimate Nick Fury bringing The Hulk.

[@berneebern]

Thor is all about the game and how you play it. Pretty sure Land trace from pics of former pro-wrestler Triple H for Thor

[@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm]

Must this blessing shield you from the wrath of the Holy Ones & Zeros.

[@EmjayUltra]

Now that you've pointed it out, I can't not see it. Those O faces! They're everywhere!

[@maikt904]

at the moment in that review i've noticed the "lorem ipsum"i thought that is maybe the clereverest idea all along, Mr Burbank just can remember the headline and not the text body and stuff, but yeah given how much effort was put in all those issues that is more a happy accident

[@speedflashanimations221]

Let’s be honest It was ultimate Spider-Man that was carrying the ultimate universe

[@Blackwolfninja89]

Traces over porn, so that explains why Sue storm kept looking like Pamela Anderson and Jenna Jameson at times.

[@ericwhite1942]

"And Spider-Man and Thing are reacting as if Hyperian and Thor clashing is the most epic thing ever" well, it's should be, Goddammit!! Back then, this was as close to Superman vs Thor we ever though we were gonna get but looking at the art, all I can think s why are their mouths always open widen.......never thought I'd miss Rob Lifeild art were everyone's snarling

[@bthsr7113]

Yeah, Solar Savior verses Thunder God should be an epic clash and treated as such

[@TevyaSmolka]

Ah ultimate power such a terrible story that was only made to set up ultimatum which ruined everything and killed the entire ultimate marvel universe which is sad because ultimate marvel universe at its peak was amazing but man oh man after ultimate power and ultimatum came out the entire universe went to hell and never recovered which is sad because the ultimate marvel universe got me into comics, and when that universe died in secret wars 2015 I was sad angry disappointed but I accepted its death at that time and I maintained the only good character we had left in that universe was miles morales ultimate jessica drew aka ultimate Spider-woman and ultimate peter parker and ultimate Mary jane and the rest of the spidey cast and that's about it everybody else not so much they really don't need to comeback at least in my opinion.

[@CaptainAvenger1993]

I’m surprised that Greg Land got away from tracing porn while working at Marvel.

[@leonardomaranhao2861]

Marvel continues to hire Greg Lands even though he traces. Also Marvel, screwed over thousands of writers and artists and had no remorse doing so.

[@Maswartz226]

I just realized, how did they even deal with the Spore thingy?

[@sockpuppy8811]

Like how Marvel dealed with this comic, by sweeping it under the rug.

[@christopherbennett5858]

The art cards are great. My favourite one has to be the one with the D-Reaper from Digimon tamers.

[@lorddrayvon1426]

What's just kinda sad is that the story works better if the third issue was actually the first. Big shocking event to drive up reader confusion and issue 1 (which is now issue 2 in this AU I just made up) is a flashback to show why. Also, that drop should have killed Johnny even with the bubble. Big drop and a sudden stop.

[@matthewsimpson5529]

That and issue 1 honestly seem like they were written as a surprise crossover between Ultimate FF and Supreme Power - like, Reed would make the probes in an issue of Ultimate FF, then a month or two later a Supreme Power issue would come out with the biomass, with the reveal of the probe and Ultimate Reed being a big twist. Then you could have had a couple months of the Squadron dealing with the Biomass and trying to find a way to get to the Ultimate Universe leading into the full crossover.

[@Rixec2]

At least we can appreciate Greg Land's tracing for giving us wonderful reviews from you. ^_^

[@eamonndeane587]

Hopefully this Miniseries won't be the last time time that Linkara reviews some Greg Land comics.

[@ngrey651]

If the story had actually included more OF the Thing in in it, and him trying to grapple with coming across as even LESS human with the whole "pieces come off" thing, and then him trying to pretend it doesn't bother him, not REALLY...only for the final part of the comic to end on him sadly looking at that photo, this story could have been ten times better, because we could have had a proper tale. A tale of somebody trying to find meaning in heroism despite his horrible appearance, only to find not even his great actions, no matter how many worlds he saved, makes him feel like a person. As as he looks upon a reminder of what he used to be, he silently cries alone in his room... We could have had a really touching story of Ben Grimm if they'd just went the extra mile a LITTLE. But they didn't. What a shame. We could have at LEAST had a sad, touching little story that could have made the bad artwork worth getting through. But...we didn't get it. And that's just sad.

[@cassiedevereaux-smith3890]

If Spider-Man doesn't know how to spell 'Mjolnir' then why is he pronouncing the J, which is silent?

[@Tareltonlives]

1:05:51 my favorite joke from this run

[@Tareltonlives]

I always love the duct tape Doom

[@Tareltonlives]

And now I wish Samuel L Jackson would appear on Star Trek. He was awesome in Star Wars, why not bridge the franchises?

[@Tareltonlives]

You know, I do like how the villain is a fan of Colombus- megalomania, determination, cunning, treachery, and a keen eye for exploitation and conquest. I actually don't mind him giving Colombus the credit. But again, I'm trying to give culture and motivation and depth to an incredibly boring and generic villain. If I saw that in the script of the comic, I'd have Reed go "It was Eratosthenes that learned the world was round- Colombus thought it was shaped like an oval." as his big badass comeback in the next page

[@bthsr7113]

The idea of Minneapolis being the capital is quite amusing, as is Lewis putting on the south Canadian thing other states think use northernmost midwest states all use.

[@RichardWatt]

​@@bthsr7113I think of Minnesotans sounding more like Lewis or Richard Dean Anderson.

[@GothamStreetShop]

Finally! Next I’m waiting for DC Challenge

[@radspencer8187]

Only good thing came out of Ultimate universe is the costume selection in Marvel Ultimate Alliance.

[@Relichunters01]

And Miles Morales

[@eamonndeane587]

@@Relichunters01 and Ultimate Peter Parker.

[@Cdr2002]

Actually, the kool-aid man is sometimes green or purple

[@eastonenroth2366]

This entire event felt like the marvel equivalent to that episode from American dad where Stan and his family were stuck in hurricane and every time he tried to make a good decision it kept backfiring on him

[@casteanpreswyn7528]

One quick critique of these reviews. Considering how weirdly often cannibalism comes up for the human race, it makes sense the "more realistic and darker" version of the Marvel universe brings it up so often, considering how it basically didn't exist beforehand. One can argue Venom, but that's a semantics argument cause it was the symbiote that ate humans, not Eddie.

[@jakeproven256]

14:53 to 15:00 Yeah, the line starts over hear!🖐

[@TimTE01]

As a reminder, Squinty Faced Lady is Kate Beckinsale. Marvel Comics owes her money a la Amy Grant.

[@skyslasher2297]

Who and why?

[@AngryIrishBenjamin]

3:00 This part had a mock up of Circus Music. I had hoped it still would so I could make this joke but screw it why not? ♫ Ra da da da da da da da Circus Da da da da da da da da Afro Circus, Afro Circus, Afro Polka dot, polka dot, polka dot, Afro ♫

[@stevenhedge2850]

man, this was before ulitmate reed became evil

[@Tareltonlives]

THEY JUST DIDN'T CARE

[@Fluffkitscripts]

At what point do you have to call something a collage?

[@TimothyCollins]

It occurs to me... where exactly does Land GET his porn? I don't watch much porn since it does nothing for me but he must be really going to the bottom of that iceberg to get that type of poses and facial expressions...