LIVE DEBATE | Kurt Zouma: Prime Minister's Sister Rachel Johnson Defends THAT Cat Video

[@ed.winters]

I was invited on to LBC to chat with Rachel Johnson about my recent video discussing the hypocrisy that the UK is showing over its outrage about Kurt Zouma. However, the conversation quickly turned to whether Kurt Zouma should be ‘cancelled’ for his animal abuse. In defence of Kurt Zouma, Rachel then used the example of when she had to force her dog not to eat a chocolate bar (which would have harmed her dog) as a reason to justify Kurt not facing any meaningful consequences for his actions. To find out what's happening to animals in the UK right now, please watch Land of Hope and Glory on my KZbin channel: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqfXh56EpMuWp5o or Dismantle Dairy: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmrWhHeKl69rjas 📚 My debut book 'This is Vegan Propaganda (And Other Lies the Meat Industry Tells You)' is also out now & you can order your copy here: earthlinged.org/orderbook 🌱 Become a monthly or one-off supporter of my work (thank you so much!): earthlinged.org/support 🍃 Make the switch to vegan & get all of the support you need: switchtovegan.co.uk 📖 Download my FREE e-book: earthlinged.org/ebook

[@VeganV5912]

@No One .. “I am the one that’s responsible, what’s happened” Jeffrey Dahmer . kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y56ciZ2giMili7s !!!!!

[@VeganV5912]

.. 🐮🔪⛓😭/😵🔴🦠🍖🐔. Hypoooocrite 🤥. Big Time !!!! Over a frigging 5 minute hamburger et cetera !!!!!! CuIt🔴foIIowing !!!!! You can have vegan burgers and vegan chicken and vegan pizza and vegan curry and vegan tacos and vegan burritos..... without murder !!! Simple !!! ✅🤷🏼‍♂️. Vegan burgers blindfold test, Number 1 ever, delicious !!!!

[@Ranger1812]

@@VeganV5912 Stop it.

[@Incredible43]

Great job Ed this woman is a hypocrite claiming "Animal lover" while excusing Cat abuse in addition she's the daughter of an environmentalist I bet neither are Vegan, more hypocrisy.

[@VeganV5912]

@@Ranger1812 ... 👈.. Like CharIes Manson. Proxy killing... 👈🤥🍖🔴.... 🙄. Over a burger. 5 minute burger !! Animals life gone for good !! 🤦🏼‍♂️ Twice a Coooooooo-ward !!!! Hypoooocrite. Big time. I was a hypocrite. But now I’m vegan. Don’t hurt animals. Simple really. ✅🤷🏼‍♂️. KZbin delicious vegan food. Time to change......

[@smiller2114]

I feel very strongly about her response that the cat looked fine. My mum was in an abusive relationship for nearly 15 years and nearly always "looked fine". Is Rachel condoning this "type" of abuse as long as someone "looks fine"??

[@michaelrch]

She doesn't know what she is saying. She is just trying to make things add up in her head when they obviously don't, so she is just winging it.

[@nicklachen5060]

just leave no marks, no bruises and go for it. hit and kick away!!

[@suicune2001]

Yep. I grew up in a very abusive household. Never once had a bruise from being punched in the face. I LOOKED fine so people ignored the abuse I was going through.

[@veganvanguard8273]

@@michaelrch oh god, yep, totally has the energy of the average carnist post hoc justifying animal abuse. Ego.

[@SirPhytone]

I don't think she is condoning it, I can understand where she is coming from, she just didn't articulate it well - I have a friend who made a stupid mistake when he was 18, got a criminal record and now 20 years later after training to be a teacher, he still fails checks and so finds it extremely difficult to get a job. His whole life is effected from this mistake. Point being, even though he did not treat the animal with compassion, if we react in the same way to him (using zero compassion) - take away his career and then he ends up depressed and commits suicide or something, are we really any better? It is a very nuanced issue and I think the ideal solution would be to make him earn redemption, maybe by helping in an animal home for a long time alongside his job. Or a meaningful punishment, but one which does not just destroy his only career path.

[@AnonymSwede]

Media still think they can trick Ed in to saying something stupid or controversial 😂

[@klaudiaparulska232]

Amen !

[@TDrudley]

Well, didn't he imply that if you mistreat an animal you should get fired from your job? No law states that any crime has the punishment of losing ones job, that's a good thing. He should of course be charged for the crime he committed though. I'm a bit confused, he didn't get charged, but he got fined? Isn't the fine then the punishment for the crime..?

[@klaudiaparulska232]

Drudley, when you have an much as this Dickhead a fine means absolutely nothing to you. He tried to say that the law should be held up no matter the status of the individual and the law shouldn’t contradict itself where it’s an exception for one or the other.

[@AnonymSwede]

@@TDrudley Getting a fine does not necessarily mean you've been charged for a crime. And I don't really know how the law works over there, but in Sweden job contracts usually states that they have the right and probably will fire an employee who makes them guilty of a crime. (Sorry if my English is bad.)

[@sectionq1]

@@TDrudley no, he didn't. But he pointed out that he should be tried in a court of law, something that hasn't currently happened. If it did, a criminal conviction could lead to a prison sentence, which, would obviously impact his career. As would a prison sentence impact someone that, in her example, worked in McDonald's.

[@ifazhowl5381]

Ed’s gifted with empathy intelligence and a sharp mind. Animals around the world are thankful to have you as their friend.

[@Dionyzos]

Emotional intelligence is very underrated in our society unfortunately. It's all IQ here IQ there while people with high IQs can be jerks just like everyone else. Jobs that require empathy like nurses are often paid less although they're some of the most important.

[@x-latetv-x6816]

@@OM617a if I kick my pet, it doesn't make any difference as I eat meat 🤦

[@tom4412]

One things for sure I’m glad I’m not an insect, with earthling Gaunt around

[@x-latetv-x6816]

@@OM617a that's good to hear that you see a deeper depravity, I was getting worried about vegans

[@tom4412]

@@nicksguitarlessons7482 what crops are you referring to here

[@luchan1638]

Calling abusing a cat a "silly mistake" is honestly frightening

[@clickbait9486]

true

[@monkeyx17]

If it was a constant thing, a spur of the moment "itl be funny" situation is different. If it was an on going thing then its not a "silly mistake" But maybe he did it on a once off which means it was a silly mistake. Not saying its right. its not. but it seems like it was a silly mistake

[@luchan1638]

@@monkeyx17 naj dude there is no such thing as hitting a cat just for the funnsies once. You have to be fucking evil to be enjoying that and to even think of wanting to do that shit There is no way to talk this good.

[@monkeyx17]

@@luchan1638 Oh its absolutely not ok. but a once off is very different to a continuous thing. Having said that. I only watched the video there and it is sick. Hes not right at all

[@luchan1638]

@@monkeyx17 I can see your point but still...there is just no way my mind can make it right for someone doing this once and even if he does it never again...i would still see him as a giant walking red flag of a human being. Whether he did it once or he continues doing it. And I feel like he doesn't regret his actions at all.... He's just sad/angry that he got caught

[@mintinfinity1028]

At around 9 minutes Rachel Johnson thought she'd got a slam dunk against Ed and was completely blindsided by his excellent question. She didn't like it when the shoe was one the other foot and she suddenly stopped being so smug. Nice one Ed for being so calm and level headed.

[@jamesjohnson2394]

Yeah "so you wanna cancel Zooms career" a typical western media journalist move

[@sebfox2194]

@@jamesjohnson2394 They shouldn't cancel his career, but should simply prosecute him for animal cruelty according to UK law.

[@BeyondaThought]

@@sebfox2194 being prosecuted for a crime isn't canceling somones career though, they simply can't be a part of the career anymore because they're serving the punishment. I think people (especially media and online) need to stop referring to it as cancel culture straight away.

[@vietnamd0820]

@@sebfox2194 Yep, if he is prosecuted, found guilty, and either made to pay a fine and/or serve some jail time, he could theoretically go back to playing sports once the punishment is over

[@sebfox2194]

@@BeyondaThought I didn't say it was cancelling his career. I just said what I thought should be done.

[@disneybunny45]

"One misguided kick"???? A person doesn't simply kick or smack a cat once just because of the lols. It's something that they are comfortable doing, which suggests that they have done it pretty often. It just happens that this time it was recorded and shared on the Internet. It didn't mean it's a solitary occurrence.

[@vegetable_shredder9306]

My exact thoughts. This probably wasn't the first time this cat was abused - 100% prosecution

[@Maxon-x3t]

I would never ever ever kick my animals

[@shubz1083]

I like how Ed answered the leading questions like a boss! There's no excuse for animal abuse!

[@kevs6402]

THAT WAS NOT ANIMAL ABUSE.

[@thegrinderman1090]

@@kevs6402 How is drop-kicking a cat not animal abuse?

[@sschreck08]

I like how she said she doesn't particularly like cats & then proceeds to say she loves animals. 🤦‍♀️ I'm sure she doesn't include farm animals in her little tiny circle of love. She's a perfect example of speciesism!

[@davidt8087]

I don't like cats and dogs either. I actually like cows, lamb, and pigs more and love chickens and parrots and all other birds thr most. But it doesn't mean I breed dogs and enslave them and kill them for meat either. But unfortunately this is something the morons complaining about kicking a cat just never realize because their brains are microscopic in size

[@pockydust3404]

Did she really just say “his silly brother posted the video” “it was clearly a mistake”. I’m just curious if a person was getting abused would she call that a mistake too? How can you kick a cat repeatedly by mistake? His brother was silly, not for recording the video, but for allowing the abuse to happen.

[@sschreck08]

Makes you wonder how many times he has done this.

[@tsbspionkop]

Not surprising given her silly brother's antics

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

@@sschreck08 Yes, I highly doubt it was this psychopath's first time abusing animals. He could easily develop into a serial killer & needs to be locked away from society. Yet she's worried about his career....

[@joshuakohlmann9731]

Also, the fact that she thought working at McDonald's (as an example of an innocuous job) was in any way a suitable comparison was just daft. Discussing animal rights with a vegan and McDonald's was the best she could come up with?

[@lorianavalente]

What Kurt did is unacceptable and should be punished! You see very clearly it’s normal behavior for him to slap a cat around. It was not “one silly mistake”, dear Rachel. And Rachel (I’m very shocked about some of your arguments - they seem like a little bit (VERY) oldschool): what people do in their private life should have CONSEQUENCES in all areas! What about: “Oh, I abused my child only in my private life and I slapped my wife only at home! And I murdered a neighbor’s child in my living room.” MOST abusive cases take place behind closed doors in private life! They have to take the consequences and apologize and should go through a psychotherapy program to ensure they don’t repeat their behavior! In this case from my point of view: Kurt Should Not represent any Team in Public. This is not a role model as a sportsman! He has clear tendencies of aggression and should be banned from fair game. A real sportsman has also discipline and ethic rules at home - not only when he’s playing on a field. I hate it when people talk down abuse and do as if it wasn’t that bad. “I only abused a bit. I only raped a bit. It wasn’t that bad. The victim should be fiiiiiine.” Come on, in which world are we living? Abuse is Abuse! Take the consequences!!!

[@suicune2001]

Exactly!!! Well said.

[@Dionyzos]

I think he should be allowed to come back after he did all the things you mentioned. Cancel culture is able to cause more pain to the cancelled person than the person ever caused. The goal should be rehabilitation and education. The best prisons in the world with the lowest relapse rate are the ones which focus on rehabilitation over punishment.

[@SirPhytone]

Where is your compassion? What he did was horrible and wrong, but the focus should be on allowing him (and others) to understand the severity of his actions and change. Not to take revenge and take away what is clearly his only career path and passion in life - by doing that you are putting him through years and years of pain, and i imagine that won't even help, possibly make things worse, as he will forever hate animal activists like yourself.

[@SirPhytone]

@@Dionyzos bang on.

[@SeeNickView]

So I think everyone would benefit from reviewing the ethical theories that govern the laws we find ourselves subject to anywhere we live. In general, there are 3 types of ethical theories, according to Brown University of Providence, Rhode Island, USA: 1) Consequentialist theories The consequence or outcome of an action acts as the basis for judgement and punishment 2) Non-consequentialist theories The intent from which the action arises acts as the basis for the judgement and punishment 3) Agent-based theories The moral status of an individual, as defined as the integrated sum of one's moral or immoral actions committed *over time* ( _not of a single action_ ), acts as the basis for the judgement and punishment It would appear that Ed's interviewer converses while holding more agent-based theories, meaning that the French football player should not be punished as severely because there is a high probability that the player hasn't committed as many immoral actions like this one as compared to the moral ones. (I should note that we cannot know the probability of the football player's moral status just by looking at a single piece of evidence: it seems like Ed's interviewer is jumping this uncertainty gap and assuming so anyways.) Ed seems to be conversing with more consequentialist theories, meaning that regardless of how an action came to be, the receiver of the offense (i.e. the cat) still underwent an impulse and later moments of suffering. If we were to harmonize these two theory types, then it could very well be the case that: 1) The football player historically might never have shown such levels of physical suffering on other animals close to him as he did in the video 2) The cat historically might never have induced the level of suffering communicated in the video If the event truly was highly infrequent: once in a lifetime, then I suppose we can weigh the judgement and punishment directed towards the player differently than if these events were more frequent or if the suffering of said events took on greater levels of harm. But that's highly improbable too, of course. Just thought I'd offer this information for others trying to formulate their opinions.

[@RussellB]

You're doing a great job of making it as difficult as possible for them to get the sound byte they desire

[@yams7355]

"He only slapped his 3 day old son in the face for his own entertainment ONE TIME cmon guys jeeez"

[@camilles7113]

"I mean heyy it's ok, the baby looks fine, he's still breathing !! "

[@fadinglight7103]

"His wife made the silly mistake of uploading it online"

[@timyorke9758]

Yeah, and it was in private!

[@emmanuelcastro3815]

And it was in the privacy of their own home for crying out loud!

[@jaws8090]

@@emmanuelcastro3815 And? Your point?

[@stevenvitali7404]

Our society is absolutely insane, every day it amazes me how blind most people are

[@leelewis3770]

But are you aware of all that you're blind to, Steven?

[@stevenvitali7404]

@@leelewis3770 yes I am aware of this , we were all born to live our lives from a script, we have been conditioned well, only when we realise this can we then slowly start to change things

[@leelewis3770]

@@stevenvitali7404 nice answer 👍🏽

[@stevenvitali7404]

@@leelewis3770 thanks mate, I just want to live in a society where people are nicer to each other and to fellow earthlings, I thought your comment was really good and true, anyway wish you all the best in the future

[@veganm8918]

@@stevenvitali7404 You used to be blind but now you see.

[@kace9075]

Great conversation especially towards the end. It was "funny" how she put the words "so Ed says he should be cancelled and loose his job" in your mouth, even though you never said that! He should go to court for starters, like anyone who does anything like this, at home or not, should.

[@keeyan2166]

Yeah, what the hell was that? Just making stuff up in the end. But that's what LBC does best init?

[@willd6215]

So dishonest on her part.

[@AlistairCrooks44]

Yeah, that was so out of nowhere. I'm amazed Ed didn't interrupt her then. He had every right to. Completely misrepresented him.

[@marley7659]

I was like. Where did that response come from? At least he got her to change her attitude at the end. Looking like she was trying to say that the cat video wasn't an act of abuse towards the cat

[@jamesjohnson2394]

Yep. Typical of the western journalist that just says things deliberately to provoke an audience!

[@GoVeganForTheAnimal]

Wow, very well handled! You got to discuss some important animal rights issues amongst this question which tickles many people to be more interested in the rights of other species. Thanks for sharing

[@Vanessa-fs7oz]

I'm glad you got the chance to ask a question back at her because she seemed to want to wrap up the interview once she felt confident she could clearly put the right words in your mouth. You weren't saying yes or no to the question of whether he should be cancelled, but she kinda just tried to squeeze it out of you and once she got something close to that she was content to end there. Thanks so much for pointing out the hypocrisy here! It's tricky because I'm sure she would have agreed about the severity of the act if instead of a cat, it was a human child or baby, but that's crossing into a whole new territory where people then try to say we care about animals more than humans and they get defensive and are afraid to see the similarities between human and non-human animals. Also, surprisingly, there are some people who actually look the other way if someone kicks or slaps their child in the privacy of their own home. I hope her listeners heard the point you were making and not the one she desperately wanted you to make.

[@waywardwinchester]

Yes Rachel, we should have ZERO tolerance for nonhuman animals abuse, the same way we have ZERO tolerance for human animals abuse. Her speciesism is clouding her thoughts. You held her accountable for her speciesist views very well Ed as usual.

[@Raven-fx5qm]

agreed! well written!

[@nathijomac]

Question: Is it necessarily a bad thing to be speciesist? People use it as a term on par with racism, and I don't agree.

[@ifazhowl5381]

Those speciesists are on the wrong side of history. I don’t understand why people’s minds are so blocked from the truth. It’s like human beings aren’t actually smart because we have people like that lady. Like seriously, she really said “what if I kick the cat because she’s choking?” Like what??? There’s a huge difference between saving the cat and abusing the cat. It blows my mind.

[@ifazhowl5381]

@@nathijomac why not? That’s exactly what speciesism is. You undervalue other species and over value humans. I personally think speciesm is worse because I genuinely like animals better than people, but even if you weren’t like me, it’s important to treat all life equally. If it’s black white, feathers or scales. In my opinion, if you don’t value al life, you can’t fight for racial justice or justice for species.

[@ifazhowl5381]

@@nathijomac and the only reason you don’t think it’s on par is because most of society doesn’t either. If you grew up learning that both concepts are equally important you would have a different view. You need to open your eyes and not be influenced by society so much.

[@FamilyFreedom]

Thank you Ed! Freedom and peace for ALL animals 🙏

[@schultz7952]

i like to order in a restraunt a steak medium raw to get the taste of blood, i usually order two steaks and i try to have one made from (baby cow) and the other steak would be its mother, it's really unlikely but i keep hoping, after i eat the steaks i use leftover blood to cover potatoes and salad so I can enjoy the vegetables to taste like blood 😋🥩

[@WeAreCameron]

What the hell is this lady talking about? "He did a crime but it was in private." "What if he wasn't famous should there still be consequences?" "I tried to help my dog once." I mean really... who puts these people on TV?

[@jamesjohnson2394]

Well her brothers the PM. It's not what you know.. all the jouralista and presenters in the UK are from the ruling families

[@suicune2001]

Someone kicks a cat: RAGE!!!! Someone ties down a baby cow to the point he can't stand for 6 months in isolation after being taken away from his mother immediately after being born then sent to have his throat slit open and bleed to death: I SEE NOTHING WRONG HERE.

[@camilles7113]

Someone eats a cat : TERROR !!! Replace "cat" by "calf" and suddenly see the magic happen.

[@vinnyhorapeti2461]

@@camilles7113 they are trapped in meatrix😂😂😂😂 (if they watch gary yourofsky's speech they can remove that huge ass blinders and finally apologize)

[@miamitten1123]

It’s the same way you’re not talking about abuse in Palestine. People (like you) have selective outrage.

[@suicune2001]

@@miamitten1123 So I go around talking about how "all forms of human abuse is not ok" but when I see a woman in Palestine getting abused, I say there isn't anything wrong with that? Because that is what is going on here. Not being outraged all the time about everything is not selective outrage. Saying you're wholeheartedly against something and then actively support said thing you claim to be against is selective outrage.

[@Narcissism-TheDarknessintheWor]

@@suicune2001 exactly.

[@chrismasters3308]

I could listen to Ed debate all day. He’s what I aspire to be when I have conversations about my vegan lifestyle😂

[@gigio6873]

Yessss me tooo

[@niva9308]

SAME

[@pegbuckner5074]

Yes!! Ed is awesome!!!

[@gigio6873]

@Stu Sadler awwwwww little Stuey..life really bad huh? Lol its probably your bowels they are completely backed up. Causing sh*t in the brain! Hahahaha

[@gencandy3324]

Samsiesssss

[@NoInjusticeLastsForever]

Do not leave this planet ashamed to die. Speak up for the animals today and every day. Please, the animals need us. Thanks Ed. ❤️💪🏻

[@niranjansinghdangi8397]

I'm eating chicken breast

[@junglefever4091]

💓🔥

[@myfoodisgrownnotborncompas362]

You are absolutely right as always.

[@pockydust3404]

Love your username

[@coloradostatesenatorsteven7443]

Oh look another sheep

[@Quincycle]

@@coloradostatesenatorsteven7443 oh yes the minority being sheep

[@pockydust3404]

@@Quincycle Right XD

[@myfoodisgrownnotborncompas362]

@@pockydust3404 Thank you. I choose it because in my opinion it is the best to promote vegan education.

[@clioneye8039]

I remember there being a woman who worked for a bank who randomly picked up a cat and put him/her in a bin, she lost her job. Just because he is a footballer doesn't mean he deserves leniency when it comes to animal abuse, I guarantee no one was saying that woman losing her job was too much and she was being cancelled for putting a cat in a bin.

[@gretavaiciulyte47]

Because nobody likes people working in banks as much as they like footballers, so there's a double standard.. some just want Zouma to keep playing football and don't want their entertainment to suffer.. He shouldn't get away with what he's done just because he's a football player

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

@@gretavaiciulyte47 Yes, I don't get this idolization of athletes. The same thing happened with Michael Vick. He didn't even go to prison for abusing animals, it was because he didn't pay taxes on his dogfighting operation.

[@leelewis3770]

You dont employ him, you dont pay his wages, so you really dont have a say unfortunately

[@krishnaveganathar]

This is where an appeal to law is valid and effective. Laws protecting domestic animals are justified and rational. And those laws should extend to protect “farm” animals. This may be the straightest path to our goal.

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

Until you legally establish the sentience of animals, you'll only see the same useless welfarist laws with loopholes and no oversight that just keep the operations going. And until then, the animals that humans financially exploit, like on farms and research labs, will never have any such protective laws. The money made by humans is deemed more important than an animal's suffering.

[@thegrinderman1090]

@@harveyplantharvester1502 The use of the term 'suffering' in law already implies sentience. Experience requires sentience. The Animal Welfare Act 2006 contains provisions against 'unnecessary suffering', and I believe it would apply to farm animals too, were there not separate acts for farming, which take priority. My point is that although I agree with the sentiment, I'm not sure what you're saying is true exactly, because it seems to me like it's already legally established that vertebrates (and a few others) are sentient. Interestingly, 'duty of care' requiring the basic needs of animals to be met, was law for farm animals long before it was law for pets. I think the Animal Welfare Act 2006 is very good and quite comprehensive. We just need to put an end the false idea that animal agriculture is necessary and worthy of its own protections.

[@blue_sky_bright_sun7599]

@@MZ95 to stop animal suffering, forced breeding and torturing.

[@ellev11]

"we don't want anyone to harm any animals" unless it's not a pet.

[@schultz7952]

i like to order in a restraunt a steak medium raw to get the taste of blood, i usually order two steaks and i try to have one made from (baby cow) and the other steak would be its mother, it's really unlikely but i keep hoping, after i eat the steaks i use leftover blood to cover potatoes and salad so I can enjoy my vegetables bloody 😋🥩

[@orgate3953]

@@schultz7952 okay so youre a bad person then?

[@schultz7952]

@@orgate3953 bruh eating a steak medium raw is bad ?

[@orgate3953]

@@schultz7952 taking pleasure in animal and human suffering is bad

[@schultz7952]

@@orgate3953 idk why would someone have pleasure from suffering

[@ShaunSteinberg]

He hasn’t been “cancelled” he has been held accountable for his actions.

[@meganyoung8633]

So proud of you Ed. We are all so lucky to have you representing such compassionate and strong voice for the animals!

[@hazelife7366]

"If public figures break laws, should they have to face the same kind of punishment as you lot of plebs?" Is basically what she is saying and standing for.

[@chuckybang]

Definitely not. If you are rich and famous then you are better than everyone else and should have different laws and standards that apply.

[@notme5744]

I think she's saying that public figured SHOULD be treated the same as the rest of us, and not have our lives destroyed when we make mistakes. Although a lot of people have that happen as well even if they're not famous.

[@seraphinagg2857]

She’s arguing the opposite actually.

[@hazelife7366]

@@seraphinagg2857 Trust me this woman would LOVE cats if it wasn't a famouse footballer slapping 1, but you or I.... she'd be arguing to throw the book at us...

[@seraphinagg2857]

@@hazelife7366 I don’t know what you’re saying but I dont think it’s related lol, she was arguing the exact opposite of what you said. I’m just clearing that up man

[@Zoonofski]

Grown man slaps kitten in the face with all his strength. 'Animal lover': The cat was probably fine

[@frankpanetta1596]

Listening to "animal lovers" express their views on animal abuse is so discouraging, because I'm reminded, unfortunately, how far we are from truly understanding that we absolutely have no right to inflict any harm on our Non-Human brothers and sisters. Thank you, Earthlin Ed.

[@michaelmonaghan8172]

Loved the way you roasted her at the end. She attempted to frame the outcome in her favour but when you threw a question back at her, she didn’t know what to do and was left clutching at straws and had no choice but to agree 🤣

[@pegbuckner5074]

Ed, Thank you, for sharing your wisdom and passion with the world 🌎 We are so blessed to have you!!!! 💚

[@roybarrows9733]

"Silly mistake?" She has no business calling herself an animal lover.

[@milesclark2966]

Ed is a master at these one on ones, he is so well spoken, he never gets angry and is very calm, he just tells it like it is, I learn a lot about how to debate and speak eloquently about what you believe in.

[@cynicalidealist11]

Hope to see you on more TV debates and discussions

[@Frida_vegan]

I enjoyed watching this! You are such a great debater! The animals thank you every day for everything you do💚

[@eduardomacias901]

"We don't want anybody to treat any animal with any cruelty" proceeds to eat her tuna sandwich with cheese, while grabbing a free range organic milk asking her family if they want to order some corpses of Chickens and a Cow for dinner.

[@jemeson5332]

Well hey now, it is HUMANE the way all of those things are gathered. The RSPCA said so.....

[@Collabcreatemarketing]

Same as everybody calling for Zoumas head

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

@@Collabcreatemarketing If he'd beaten a child to entertain himself instead of "just" a cat, you'd be "calling for Zouma's head" too. You just proved your own hypocrisy.

[@blue_sky_bright_sun7599]

@@MZ95 corpses for dinner again today?

[@llamatreee]

@@harveyplantharvester1502 It’s a cat tho, it’s not a child lol. How are the two anywhere close?

[@dorihungerbuhler7885]

Yes, zero tolerance for abuse of any animal in any household. She is minimizing the abuse by simply calling it a misguided kick. #cancel

[@oliverv305]

I'm surprised she didn't call it football training

[@stephenward2743]

Finished strong with that final question, nicely done Ed

[@DJLirnl]

Well done Ed , calling out the BS .

[@rsy1708]

What is the punishment for kicking, slapping, mistreating a small child like that? Prison? Supervision? Whatever it is, it should be applied here too.

[@thewildwoodlandgarden.420]

Well done Son. You did really well. I just wanted to point out, that when she said that the cat didn't look any worse for wear, she's missing the point. She's underestimating animal psychology and emotions. Perhaps she should look into all the latest information available on it. The cat could very well be living in fear with this kind of behaviour. Living in the fight or flight response is terrible for the mind and the body, and there's enough evidence that non-human mammals can live in this state. The other areas to consider are as you will know, that most complaints about animal cruelty are not even investigated by the Police. When charges are brought, then most of the charged are not brought to trial by the prosecutor fiscal, and on the off chance that they are, they're usually admonished for good behaviour or receive a temporary ban that can't be enforced. If he's doing that when he's on video, then what could he be doing for a joke when he's not on video?

[@willd6215]

Right. The cat and many animals may have high levels of flight or fight to deal with without this kind of bullshit put on top. I know my cat was never the same after a traumatic event and practicly flinched at everything.

[@barend8485]

The way you are able to make connections between reality, arguments and different points of view is just astonishing! Thank you!!

[@OptimisticApocalypse]

two minutes in- and anyone who considers casually beating an animal a “silly mistake” is one that condones animal abuse, no matter how many times they state that they love animals. Total cognitive dissonance.

[@gillosborne9516]

“Do we have a zero tolerance policy?” We don’t, but we should.

[@SourceChan]

And what do you once the police comes knocking on your door for feeding your cats vegetables?

[@SourceChan]

@@OM617a I would kick the vegetables for fun, but that's just me.

[@Raven-fx5qm]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[@BlapwardKrunkle]

@@SourceChan why would anybody feed their cat vegetables? That’s a form animal cruelty itself

[@80slimshadys]

@@BlapwardKrunkle They think formulated cat wet or dry food that has evidence that it's healthier than meat for them is ''vegetables''

[@LevaniTavberidze]

Ed Winters for UK president! The animals in slaughterhouses really wish they only had slaps.

[@jansoltes971]

You mean UK king? He should start a new royal dynasty! 😉

[@miamitten1123]

@@jansoltes971 no human is above me.

[@jellokween1680]

She comes from a Tory family, cruelty and disrespect is considered normal to these people ,fun even, fox hunting for example .

[@isabellebeluch8298]

That woman is cold and detached

[@myfoodisgrownnotborncompas362]

Earthling Ed is a legend. Respect for you.

[@valerieholt3625]

Can’t wait to read your new book!! Thank you for your activism and sharing your brilliant intelligence with the world in this way. I learn so much from you.

[@FlaminpieSpain]

She listens but doesn’t take it in, that’s what we are up against

[@jamesjohnson2394]

On the grand scale she was ok and I'm amazed she did actually let him speak without interrupting. Still the "you wanna cancel him" comment at the endgame from nowhere and was just a part of a script

[@babyphoenix246]

Of course she would think criminality shouldn't have consequences in someone's career, she is Boris Johnson's sister.

[@thebowandbullet]

Funny how she kept trying to make Ed say something inflammatory and unreasonable, but he remained calm, unflappable and rational throughout.

[@PercivalBlakeney]

@Bow When the truth is on your side, you don't have to be anything except clam and reasonable. "If I'm in the right I can afford to keep my temper; if I'm in the wrong, I can't afford to lose it." - Gandhi. Hiya Bow, hope you're well. 😌

[@thebowandbullet]

@@PercivalBlakeney Perfect quote! I've never heard this one. I am well, thank you, hope you are too 😊

[@PercivalBlakeney]

@@thebowandbullet 😁🌹❤️

[@yoyogirl626]

Love the way you articulate yourself in front of a national television. I'm so proud of you ed. Thank you for your education and compassion and care. Loved your final question for her as well

[@satchel929]

Actions have consequences Rachel. There should be a dire one for cruelty. You must be one of those that will forgive a rapist if he comes from a good family.

[@Dirgis-66]

Saw an ad for your book on a London train today. That was so awsome!!! Congrats on this wonderful accomplishment :)))

[@leonardoterzani9639]

Amazing job as usual Ed. Thank you

[@acridopossum4291]

Seems that she is indirectly trying to defend her twit of a brother.... “things you do in your private life shouldn’t impact your career” etc.

[@Kiyarose3999]

Yes, we ALL ‘’only saw a bit of it’’ so what else could he have done to the cat while not filming, are we to assume this was a one off?, also even if the Cat had no serious physical injuries, I’m sure it suffered mentally

[@kubey88]

Another great interview Ed! That was the perfect question to ask her at the end.

[@myfoodisgrownnotborncompas362]

Thank you very much for what you are doing.

[@MrMuffinkatze]

Once in my life I just want to be as on point as Ed is in every discussion .. the way he answers the interviewer when she tries to lure him in with the rape comparison .. priceless! Thank you Ed!

[@BeyondaThought]

How is slapping a kicking a cat a silly mistake? Leaving your keys is a silly mistake, not abusing animals. This woman is in no way an animal lover, especially if she has meat, eggs and dairy.

[@elysesimpson2207]

This is so bizarre - I never thought people would be defending this animal abuse. This is terrifying

[@Collabcreatemarketing]

Nobody is defending the animal abuse they are defending consistency of punishment and the nations general stance towards animal abuse

[@eliasbostrom5131]

You did great Ed. Thank you for everything you do! 💚

[@TomKilworth]

"But should we have zero tolerance towards any mistreatment of any pet in any house?" Replace "pet" with "child" or "woman" and you'll see how silly that question is.

[@here5D]

Well done Ed! Exactly what I wish to say. Perfectly said. You never said he should lose his job but have a fair and just time in court. Absolutely. We aren’t supposed to hit children anymore and is considered abuse so they would go to court. ✨💞

[@leaveitayy6246]

Rachel's final "argument" reminds me of those people who sue you for performing CPR on them in a lifesaving situaion because you bruised a rib in the process. Apparently this can happen in the U.S.

[@kettlecup]

It's possible to sue but you almost certainly wouldn't be successful even if the ribs were broken. You definitely wouldn't be if they were only bruised.

[@leaveitayy6246]

@@kettlecup It's good to know these cases are mostly thrown out but the fact people are evn ungrateful enough to take it to court in the first place is concerning.

[@14kosh]

Lol CPR often breaks ribs.

[@SourceChan]

Exactly. I don't know much about law, but I do know that when precedents are set it can be hard to undo in the future, and the same goes for cultural standards we set, right now we might think mob justice is a good idea because it benefits us or our case (as long as you're on the far left), but this all depends on the sociopolitical climate, what if a wave of anti-veganism kicks in and you're in next for feeding your cat plants?

[@pelindoganay2863]

Thats actually the fault of US medical systems. If you have an insurance and go to the hospital with a broken rib the insurance company, in order to not pay the hospital fees, will sue the "assailant", ie the person who broke your ribs.

[@TheAmandasuzzanne]

Consistently impressed by you. Also, thank you for always laying things out so logically and clearly. It's always everything I want to say but can't find the words for. ❤️

[@AnthonyCook78]

She completely ignored the points you raised about the hypocrisy between animal agriculture and pet cruelty.

[@alisiademi]

Good job Ed, awesome to get a word in about the other animals and a book shoutout!! And it's nice to see a respectful interviewer for once even though she needs more compassion and to go vegan

[@Tingster1]

Thank you for giving animals a voice.

[@acaciajocelyn8369]

Your great at these conversations, thank you for all you do!

[@nigelrosario4367]

In contrast to how much we denigrate the emotional intelligence of non-human animals, cats and other animals alike can create trust barriers, develop paranoia and PTSD-much like humans do when life events stimulate such phenomena. People forget the mentality it takes to have complete disregard for not just another individual, but an individual much smaller than he and one that had done nothing to him, to then proceed to do such things. And we brush it off as 'a mistake,' but what would have happened if the kick was 50% harder, breaking bones and rupturing vital organs? Or if the cat was older or unknowingly pregnant (if female and not spayed). Death and serious injury and complication: what would the response be then? And if it's different-why? If you don't want to risk losing your career or face backlash, have some humility and show some basic kindness before you abuse other individuals, regardless of their species; they're here with us, not for us.

[@naomie167]

Your last sentence really resonates with me: “they are here with us, not for us.” So true! ❤️

[@Collabcreatemarketing]

What would we do if he abused the cat even more and then cooked and ate it?

[@JW-mg1sk]

@Nigel 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@nigelrosario4367]

@@Collabcreatemarketing Morally, it's a moot point if one were to eat the cat afterwards-the cat would be dead; in essence, suffering would have lead to death, and thus suffering ended. The reason it's irrelevant though, is that the ethical dilemma is harming the cat in the first place and taking away their autonomy to decide what happens to their own bodies. Which, in collective agreement, we all know the cat would lean preferably to not suffering; in this case being kicked or slapped (which sounds more light-hearted than it actually appeared). Finding reason to kill an individual doesn't make the act of taking an individual's life any more moral. In some circumstance, it may be justified (say you lived in a deserted tundra or in a developed nation and had little to no choice in your food options). But there's admittedly a large difference to truly needing to kill to survive, and killing because you wonder what cat tastes like. This is an individual's life in question, and I'd bet that if you're able to leave a comment here on KZbin, you most likely have the option not to seek out such curiosity.

[@katherine-rosefrank4596]

So according to Rachael, no one should get punished for assault as long as it’s in your own home and the victim looks fine to an outsider. What a delightful human she is.

[@drocardoso3213]

Ed is a legend. Much respect to all animal rights activists

[@omnipotenttit3240]

I really admire your debating skills. You know exactly how to evade sneaky journalistic tactics and you do it with a lot of grace! I hope to one day be almost as good as you are

[@dogfish1537]

I wish this interview continued for 2 more minutes! It gets interesting when people have to actually answer questions lol

[@Lodekac]

I wish every debate / conversation could go as respectful as this one! 💚

[@ravenevebyfleet4618]

Just because he was caught on camera once whos to say he hasn't done this before , I feel sorry for his children to have to have witnessed there father physically abusing a defenseless animal , what message is this giving young people who follow his career , sorry I think he should be sacked full stop , I made the mistake of watching the video and he visously booted that poor cat , he didn't shunt it ffs he proper kicked it disgusting 😢 , omg Ed I don't know how you keep so calm , so much respect to you and your work

[@woblobsterbeatboxer5124]

A footballer is an entertainer in the end, and how the public feels about them is a response to their behaviour. No one individually can decide how unpopular someone will become when ugly actions are exposed, and how much that will effect their career as a public figure. Thank you Ed for once again bringing the larger problem into the picture.

[@Grammygirl29]

The point is not whether the cat was hurt, the point is Zouma’s reprehensible behavior.

[@yellow_the_squirrel]

The last thing, the "chocolate/dog" topic, is the same like if your'e saving a child that wanna walk over a street and doesn't see the nearing too fast car. I think we all agree that grab and pull back roughly the child is right. So here with her dog. I was a little bit confused why that was a topic. Should be clear by itselfe, or?

[@SourceChan]

Yes, the problem is the eyes that see's, what will the police's take be on this, what's the laws' take on this, and what will be the jury's take on this. Feeding your cat vegan food might be perfectly healthy for them considering it has supplemented taurine etc, but will the law agree or will it deem you an animal abuser next? That's the problem with politics, you create laws and attitudes in people on day that will benefit good people, that will in the next moment be used against good people, so you've always gotta think a little ahead and not just at the immediate benefits to you or your cause when it can have a huge backslash on you later on if i.e. the political mood changes.

[@GuitarTotality]

That was a great question you asked Rachel near the end of the conversation - she was stumped... And her analogy she came back with was an INVALID point - WHY? - Because the actions AND intent in her example were the opposite as the "cat incident"... Nice Effort, Ed! 🌎✌️🌱🎶

[@oreoiscool3409]

@8:55 OK Wow she's trying to put words in Earthling Ed's mouth and trying to paint him pro Cancellation. Hella Bad Faith 👎

[@GyulaHorvathGarijin]

To be fair, she was trying to get Ed to say it, but since that failed multiple times, she just went: "Okay, so here is what you said..."

[@oreoiscool3409]

@@GyulaHorvathGarijin That's bad faith as she's drawing a single conclusion based on her whole narrative in an intent to deceive Ed's overall points.

[@VeganicVerse]

I'm glad you spotted it too between 5 hours of comments. ED: ... He should be arrested and see what the law says Rach: But is it an arrestable offence? ED: yup Rach: "wow" you clearly said his career should be ended I'd be, "excuse me? As a vegan, i will not allow meaty words shoved into my mouth. Wow.

[@davidcrosier2761]

Completely agree that it's logical to argue that Zouma should be accountable for his actions, prosecuted under animal cruelty laws, and punished by a judge. But given the fact that the "animal-loving" British public calling for his head supports the industrial cruelty inflicted on billions of other animals, I'm inclined to think that Zouma should be given a break. Why should Zouma be held to higher ethical standards than Joe Bloggs?

[@michelletanner6361]

Calm and very well argued, Ed, as always. Thank you!!

[@Carokannking1984]

I can't imagine anyone better than Ed to deliver the view I believe in. His approach was friendly but precise. I felt that Rachel was stubborn but the best thing that Ed has done is darted some views which will be reflected upon away from this interview. I don't believe we should be hard on Rachel.

[@Graceelizabeth]

Amazing interview 👏🏻 well done Ed

[@Hesselgrenify]

Great work as always Ed! Thank you for you relentless work for the voicelss. Suggestion: look into your camera instead of what you see on your screen. Looking in the camera gives the illusion of you looking into the viewers eyes.

[@sahilsvision]

Such a great conversation! Keep up the amazing work! Love from 🇺🇸

[@howellheather6969]

Go to it Ed, your interviews are very inspiring 💜

[@CM-wt4yk]

Nobody can argue with this man. Eloquent AF.

[@x-latetv-x6816]

Ed is arguing that all meateaters are the same as Wayne couzens

[@elenadaniilidou3428]

Thanks for all that you do, Ed. Your book is amazing too. Hope more people buy it.

[@kingdaleclarke]

He doesn't do anything,he just harasses people

[@blue_sky_bright_sun7599]

@@kingdaleclarke he harasses? excuse me, you may need new glasses or new brain cells depending on what went wrong? have you listened to any of the talks? do yourself a favor and listen

[@user-jr7vc9dp7u]

@@blue_sky_bright_sun7599 Brother, the above commenter's ignorance is plainly on show to all who read it. They might be a troll. Don't let them trigger you into responding and getting mad. I mean this with all the respect due to you.

[@Baun92]

You're so articulate and brilliant in your responses every time. Thank you for what you're doing for the animals.

[@chloerosewood]

"It wasn't pretty. We don't want to treat any animal with any cruelty. It was animal abuse" and yet Rachel thinks it's justifiable because the cat looks "fine". If you kicked a baby across the room and slapped it and it looked fine, would that be okay? Of course not because pain and trauma has still been inflicted.

[@llamatreee]

Imagine comparing a cat and a baby lol

[@aaronmerkel5216]

Her entire goal was to get Ed to say that this guy’s career should end. Then Ed asked her how much abuse would it take for his career to end and she said “i never thought about it”. She got burned.

[@youtubewatcher8117]

Well done love. She tried to get you to say something that she could twist and you correct her brilliantly

[@sophiebennettdiplcm8236]

The way he kicked that poor cat he could have easily broken her back. Why do humans think we deserve rights but not animals. Thank you Ed for giving these animals a voice!

[@isabellebeluch8298]

He's giving vegans a voice and not animals