Live Equals Funny: Elder Abuse Debate React Adventure

[@bulkbogan6235]

"Every User... Has its rant" - Hidetaka Miyazaki, inventor of gaming.

[@andrewlivingston1590]

Just like every night has its dawn. Just like every cowboy sings a sad, sad song.

[@Gandalf-The-Gay]

I agree to disagree with myself.

[@bentwineham1986]

8:48 the discussion on Jenny’s joker review only took up a small portion of that livestream. Most of it was just the hosts messing about and joking with eachother. Also, Jenny did say she thought that joker’s message was ‘don’t take your meds’. That’s not exactly mildly critical so much as it is absolutely insane.

[@Gandalf-The-Gay]

You're very correct, my massive.

[@GiovanniCloud]

5:53:10 It's ironic because Mr. Manticore made a video on the primary debates called the "DEBATEDEMON."

[@andrewlivingston1590]

5:20:30 debate start

[@adeadlyn3rotoxin11]

EFAP has made fun of synthetic man alot also besides Jenny. So they are more than just EVERYTHING WOKE....

[@jujuteuxOfficial]

doesn't help that DWD responded to like 5s of talk before skipping 30s forwards and responding to the next 5s on and on, he skipped over a fuckton of moments that answers things they asked. he really chose the wrong target to shit on with that lack of good faith. he thinks they're that way because they have HeelsVsBabyface, of which they keep spamming his stuff from a sound keyboard, biting hook, line and sinker thinking his loud moments are unfounded and the whole content of his vids when it's meant to be just a quip.

[@Gandalf-The-Gay]

True that.

[@Kainvverd]

DeadwingDork covering EFAP? Intriguing but highly disturbing.

[@K.Esmerelda-zy7cf]

Claw arrives at 6:14

[@Gandalf-The-Gay]

Maybe.

[@fishstreams6343]

I think the problem is that suspension of disbelief works on a sliding scale and everybody has their own tipping point before they get fed up with the amount of bullshit going on in a piece of media and start to see nothing but the flaws in it. You and MauLer both seem to agree that the writing in Doctor Who is silly, he just doesn't enjoy that aspect of it, but I think he has fun bashing on media he thinks is bad. Sometimes you just gotta rant on how Jeffy is the worst character in SML.

[@golderzoa]

Why does Biden sound like the Anime Cry for Weezing

[@Edax_Royeaux]

I do question Mauler's motives lately. Right after his Fallout dunk video, on EFAP he admitted he didn't know who Joshua Graham was and in previous episode like the one on Emil Pagliarulo, Mauler admits he only played Fallout 3 in the franchise and was only really clowning around in it, so I have no idea why he was acting so emotional and angry and using lore arguments in his Fallout video while hurling personal insults at the showrunners. Mauler would play dumb and ask questions about the show and then answer those questions like 30 minutes later and as a result he comes across as disingenuous. Of all the things to get angry about...the Yao Guai scene. It just feels so performative.

[@jujuteuxOfficial]

joshua graham is a DLC character whose DLC and background doesn't affect the show by not knowing about it. when he needed info he made sure to contact as many people knew were knowledgeable about it like creetosis, rags, mootal and others and had them proofread the script. Fallout 3 is *very* shallow and it doesn't take you much to realize that and just disengage from the story as you don't need to dive to reach the bottom of a shat kiddie pool. not liking fallout 3 and not caring about the DLCs doesn't mean you can't like fallout 1, 2 and fallout new vegas's story now, about the questions what were the questions he ended up answering in his own video? And yao guai-wise, the dude was in power armor and was thrown around like a clown, and the result of that farce where a walking tank gets bodied by a bear, by internal bleeding especially, is that the side character gets a fully working, jetpack-equipped walkable tank, going from a squire to a knight in a few minutes. At least in the show they could've made the yao guai much more violent, and it bites at one of the joints crushing the dude's arm or hell, ripping the helmet clean off with his head still in there, it would've made it so the knight doesn't say such stupid lines like "hey, when you rescue me i'm gonna get you hanged", or made it so the scribe doesn't decide to let the guy bleed out like a psychopath, hell, the scribe then could've tried to contact them with the helmet but the comms got damaged and only mangled static comes out, so there isn't that cringe impersonation joke that falls flat instantly.

[@jujuteuxOfficial]

2) Just with those changes, you can make him flee because of him feeling he fucked up and not only did he fail to save the guy but the BOS, who recently raked him over the coals over someone being seriously wounded, now has to deal with a dead knight who "just happened to be with that same guy", so his career is completely shot in his eyes. Hell, he could've fled and ran away because the yao guai, despite that, was still alive, though too wounded to hunt him down, and it's later that he realizes he's too unequipped/he needs firepower (to perhaps protect someone), and he has to go back to that cave and get the armor, and finds himself to have to finish off the yao guai that's wounded but still a powerful foe, and him winning over it symbolizes his growth in skill, courage and sense of self worth

[@Edax_Royeaux]

​@@jujuteuxOfficial Mauler most legitimate criticisms are probably against Shady Sands, which is something Mauler wouldn't have any investment anyway, having only played Fallout 3. This makes all the emotion, anger and personal insults thrown out seem performative. "when he needed info he made sure to contact as many people knew were knowledgeable about it like creetosis, rags, mootal and others and had them proofread the script." It's one thing to borrow information, it's quite another to act enraged about it when Mauler has little to no investment in Fallout. "not liking fallout 3 and not caring about the DLCs doesn't mean you can't like fallout 1, 2 and fallout new vegas's story" Mauler, having not played those games, does not know what those stories are other than what was told to him second hand. And we can see from this very Deadwingdork video that perils of receiving information second hand from a bias source about Doctor Who. It doesn't matter that Joshua Graham is a DLC character, Mauler did not play New Vegas anyway. Mauler didn't play Fallout 1 so any emotional arguments involving The Master would likely be performative. "And yao guai-wise, the dude was in power armor and was thrown around like a clown" Armor doesn't make you immune to blunt force trauma. Bears are literally strong enough to slap a human to death. You can literally kill a medieval knight in plate armor by striking the helmet with enough force, you don't need the Yao Guai to rip Titus' head off to indicate he's being injured. Every time the Titus is struck, he can be heard crying out in pain. Being unarmed, injured and having a huge mutated bear roar at him, it's not clownish to start running away. If Mauler is going to cite lore, then I'd cite the fact that in Fallout 4, the first power armor mission can have you being killed by a Deathclaw, that only has claws to work with, and has special animations for attacking Power Armor. "what were the questions he ended up answering in his own video?" He glosses over what's going on in Vault 4 because that's inconvenient as it'd explain what he's mocking. Then explains it after. He calls Hank the moustache twirling bad guy, then later acknowledges that it's explained in detail why he believes what he believes and that was a part of Vault-Tecs plan. Hank wants to destroy people from the surface, however he is also a loving father and cares about his community which already gives him 2-diementions. Mauler complains that the show didn't make Hank super evil, after complaining they did, and ignoring that people aren't black and white and have their own motivations. He critiques Vault Tec for buying out the cold fusion market, then literally 10 minutes later suggests that if they had so much power why didn't they buy out the market. He missed the point that they're buying up the solutions so they have control and power, not because they don't want to use them. Mauler bring up lore arguments, then asks "How could a pip boy from another vault open another vault?" Which something that happens in Fallout 4, with a Vault 111 pip-boy capable of opening other vault doors. Mauler, not having played any Fallout game other than Fallout 3, just wouldn't know, but decides to act angry and emotional anyway. Mauler asks "why didn't Moldaver go in to 33 straight away?" when the show demonstrates that opening the door alerts the Vault, but Mauler can't put two and two together because that would hurt his point. Mauler claims Vault-Tec launched the nukes first when that never happens in the show (we only see them plan to do so), Mauler was inserting his fan-fic into his video to bash the show with. It felt like Mauler was intentionally misunderstanding the show at nearly every possible turn to make his video. Not helped that Mauler has no real investment in the Fallout franchise.

[@jujuteuxOfficial]

​@@Edax_Royeaux What? he played the other games, he specifically said he only played fallout 3 a few times and that doesn't somehow means that he didn't play the other ones, in previous streams (not EFAP, with mootal and rags), especially around when 76 came out he talked a lot about new vegas and how stark it was writing-wise. "it's one thing to borrow info it's another to act enraged..." how is it incompatible? 5 years ago i knew basically nothing about halo, played halo CE at most, and became enraged after having a friend lead me through the other games, the "remember reach", "believe" trailers and more and making me realize how expansive and profound the lore was, making me enraged when i learned then what halo 4, 5 and infinity did, making a joke of the lore in comparison and making a noble hero actually a demigod chosen one. It wasn't before long that the show reared its ugly head and the rest is history. "mauler, having not played these games" he has. "and we can see from this very Deadwingdork video that perils of receiving information second hand from a bias source..." He watched it, it wasn't from a source, not even HvB watches it anymore outside of specifically terrible episodes Again, DWD skipped in chunks of 30s to entire minutes only to watch 5s of video between these, he didn't get shit from the video, watch when he pauses the vid how the video progressed and how much was actually covered vs what was skipped over, even the beginning it starts at 1:34. "And yao guai-wise, the dude was in power armor and was thrown around like a clown" "Armor doesn't make you immune to blunt force trauma. Bears are literally strong enough to slap a human to death." normal armor doesn't, power armor does, it's inch-thick parts, there isn't buckling, at most, flattening, and this isn't happening unless a tank uses you as a track wiper, "You can literally kill a medieval knight in plate armor by striking the helmet with enough force" yes, maybe with a maul or other hammer pole, and the helmet is only 2-3mm thick, and even then there's a generous amount of padding in the helmet, so you tend to break the neck or knock them unconscious and finish them off with a stab somewhere nor armored. "you don't need the Yao Guai to rip Titus' head off to indicate he's being injured" given he's in the equivalent of a military-grade grizzly suit, you kinda need that kind of stuff because the only thing that can damage you is piercing damage or joint damage. "Being unarmed" he's in power armor, his fists are weapons that can crush rock (in the same video), throw objects miles away, punch people's head off. "it's not clownish to start running away." that's not the problem, it's the entire situation that doesn't fit, it's like if, well, a TANK, started fleeing from a grizzly bear after the commander was attacked because he was standing outside of the tank before getting jumped by it. "If Mauler is going to cite lore, then I'd cite the fact that in Fallout 4, the first power armor mission can have you being killed by a Deathclaw, that only has claws to work with, and has special animations for attacking Power Armor." Deathclaws in lore has claws that are so incredibly sharp that it can pierce steel thanks to that and its incredibly muscular arms, on top of being extremely fast and aggressive, so when it gets close it's usually too late to fight back as it stunlocks you by breaking your limbs each blow. the deathclaw is an entirely different kind of beast, Literally purpose-made for military search-and-destroy missions, meanwhile the yao guai is a naturally mutated apalachian bear "He glosses over what's going on in Vault 4 because that's inconvenient as it'd explain what he's mocking" what specifically? what he was mainly saying was that that vault never existed before and served little else than treating the wounds of the duo at the time, with a sideplot where the show poorly twists an image that it later invalidates to get some 'oh that wasn't what it was, after all!', with everyone acting deranged now acting perfectly rational, it can be essentially skipped over as an episode and it wouldn't make the show worse, and arguably better given you don't learn about that botched timeline blackboard. "He calls Hank the moustache twirling bad guy, then later acknowledges that it's explained in detail why he believes what he believes and that was a part of Vault-Tecs plan" That doesn't make him a very poorly made character, he's still a moustache twirling bad guy, and vault tec's plan is still idiotic, especially given they apparently dropped the bombs to wipe out competition, then made several different vaults with different goals and armed with nuclear silos, which sounds like a lot of competition to be made, doesn't it? If they wanted some actual control they'd have a vault-tec vault headquarters controlling every non-test vaults' views and values, and they would be the one in possession of those nukes. Hank still nukes a town because his wife left to that place. If the argument shifts to "well that town is competition so you have to nuke it", then he'd have a few dozen more targets to nuke in that timespan, boneyard, necropolis, the hub, so and so on. "Hank wants to destroy people from the surface, however he is also a loving father and cares about his community which already gives him 2-diementions." He only cares about his community insofar as it furthers vault tec's goals, hearing "loving father" is especially dry as it didn't take long for him to throw her away like garbage, he clearly cares about himself and vault-tec and the rest are tools. "Mauler complains that the show didn't make Hank super evil, after complaining they did" He didn't, he complains the show tries to portrait him as someone anywhere near good in situations he is clearly deranged. "and ignoring that people aren't black and white and have their own motivations" He literally says that. He critiques the lack of greyness, the characters in the show, when they aren't stuck as "piece of shit" or "angelic", are flip-flopping inbetween, that doesn't make them grey, it makes them bipolar, and very few actions in the entire show are grey, as the ones that appear as grey turn out to be evil or good just a few seconds later with new information. grey choices stay grey, they toe the line and blur it, but the show has it be toed by a drunken man doing a DUI test on the side of the road. "He critiques Vault Tec for buying out the cold fusion market, then literally 10 minutes later suggests that if they had so much power why didn't they buy out the market" When he says "buy out the market", he means the entire energy market and more, with that kind of technology, energy is so hilarously cheap that they could get enough money to buy that "other half" of the market they don't own. "He missed the point that they're buying up the solutions so they have control and power, not because they don't want to use them" If they have control over them, including cold fusion, then they can buy the entire market, and yet they didn't use it. and didn't buy the rest of the market. "Mauler bring up lore arguments, then asks "How could a pip boy from another vault open another vault?" Which something that happens in Fallout 4, with a Vault 111 pip-boy capable of opening other vault doors." That's a valid criticism of fallout 4, it's a massive security problem and it allows any faction that has access to even a single pip-boy to come in uninvited with overwhelming weaponry, the kind of stuff that made vault cracking in fallout 1 something hard and lengthy, including fallout 2 whose opening/trailer shows exactly the kind of fate vault dwellers will have if you have such an easy access to the vault. "Mauler, not having played any Fallout game other than Fallout 3, just wouldn't know" Man you really put a lot of your argument on the idea that he never played the other games, didn't you? "Mauler asks "why didn't Moldaver go in to 33 straight away?" when the show demonstrates that opening the door alerts the Vault, but Mauler can't put two and two together because that would hurt his point." then tell me, how come the raiders enter the vault without doing that? oh, wait, they went through that other way in, which moldaver definitely knew of since she is the one that had the idea of this bullshit plan. You do realize everything they did, she could've done, and without that bloodbath, right? "Mauler claims Vault-Tec launched the nukes first when that never happens in the show (we only see them plan to do so), Mauler was inserting his fan-fic into his video to bash the show with." The planning heavily implies they were the ones to do it, along with the addition that now vaults have the ability to launch nukes on the surface. The show is terribly written, and house's "the end of the world is a lucrative opportunity" (paraphrasing) only shows the show has no fucking idea what it is doing. "It felt like Mauler was intentionally misunderstanding the show at nearly every possible turn to make his video. Not helped that Mauler has no real investment in the Fallout franchise." How funny.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

@@jujuteuxOfficial "normal armor doesn't, power armor does, it's inch-thick parts, there isn't buckling," There's claw marks on the armor for the entire show after the attack. "how is it incompatible? 5 years ago i knew basically nothing about halo, played halo CE at most, and became enraged after having a friend lead me through the other games, the "remember reach", "believe" trailers and more and making me realize how expansive and profound the lore was" Just because you were told something second hand, doesn't mean you're even being told the truth. If you want to be enraged over Halo 4 despite not actually knowing the story, that's kind of strange. "normal armor doesn't, power armor does, it's inch-thick parts, there isn't buckling, at most, flattening, and this isn't happening unless a tank uses you as a track wiper," In words of Nicolas Moran, The Chieftain, even if tank armor withstands a blow from a shell, everyone in the tank will have suffered a "significant emotional event". There are claw marks on the armor ever since Yao Guai attack, so we can't even pretend the power armor did not receive a very heavy blow. "given he's in the equivalent of a military-grade grizzly suit, you kinda need that kind of stuff because the only thing that can damage you is piercing damage or joint damage." No, blunt force trauma will still kill a man. There is no "armor" that can fully protect against blunt force. Even in the show, a Brotherhood Knight in Power Armor drops dead for just being near an explosion, which is realistic. "it didn't take long for him to throw her away like garbage" Wrong, he choose to save his daughter over the Vault Dweller hostages. And at no point does he treat his daughter like "garbage'. "Man you really put a lot of your argument on the idea that he never played the other games, didn't you?" He admitted it and he had remarkably little to contribute to the discussion regarding the EFAP about Emil Pagliarulo. "You do realize everything they did, she could've done, and without that bloodbath, right?" The show gives Moldaver ample reason to hold a grudge against Vault Tec. "The planning heavily implies they were the ones to do it" No it doesn't. The show portrays Vault-Tec as incompetent, just look at Vault 32. "the end of the world is a lucrative opportunity" (paraphrasing) only shows the show has no fucking idea what it is doing. That's your opinion. House gained immense power after the bombs dropped, so even House may be onto something you clearly can't see.

[@sg389]

4:28:20

[@jujuteuxOfficial]

this is such cringe, your main problem with the vid was that you thought the "doctor who has completely destroyed itself" referred to the ending of the latest season, but the title refers to the entire franchise, from the writing taking a nosedive, by a man whose skill clearly worsened. It doesn't help that you pause for like 5 minutes for clips that's like 5s, then skip to 30s later before watching the next bit, no wonder you have no idea what you are talking about, you don't cover the vid, you peep at random intervals with no context of what was said before. (I'm ok if the cover of the vid is long, but if you're gonna do that, at least cover it in its entirety to not lose track of the conversation and end up talking about things they already answered but you skipped over) It's such cringe. please, if you're gonna act smug then at least be right.

[@Gandalf-The-Gay]

Yeah, this was a rather piss poor coverage of EFAP.