Living In The Female vs Male Gaze: The Audrey Hepburn & Marilyn Monroe Stylized Imagery Impact

[@Ashley-ro4xz]

I was never really interested in Marilyn Monroe growing up, because of the sexual aspect that was constantly pinned on her. However, the more I have grown up it hurts my heart to just hear what she had to go through. I fee for her and I wish she had a better end to her life. Ugh I hate it.

[@pinkywinky7207]

However considering Marylin Incredibly intelligent out of pity...

[@marte1376]

Marilyn is so mysterious and underrated for women. She was sweet and childlike and at the same time very sexual and passionate, great actress, singer, she made herself and icon, She had inner wounds and wishes and she became the portrait of who she wanna be. Marilyn will always be a siren and to carry such power by using your femininity as your force is something that blows my mind.

[@LalinDissanayaka]

Same for me, I'm so glad for people who make videos like this

[@adrianazashen]

For me, I wanted to dissociate from anything "girly" or "sexy". Whether it be dance, singing, etc. But on baggy clothes (before Billie normalized this and made it cool. Girls that did this in my time were weird/gross/losers). As an adult, I've pushed myself to try out things out of my comfort zone and learned that I love belly dance, hula, ballet and other things I actively avoided when I was younger. I prefer dresses, like jewelry, and makeup is a talent. It's interesting that we unconsciously try to push the male gaze away not knowing this is what we are doing. Either that, or some only see their worth by being extremely girly/womanly (like the Cassie character from Euphoria).

[@Cat-zk9dg]

Same unfortunately she was used

[@eunoia6184]

Who could think of Audrey as someone lacking beauty

[@FabalociousDee]

I thought the same thing! Like, who TF could think Audrey was ugly? 😆

[@itssarah3438]

I think It's the severe thinness that she had at the time, being a kid raised in Europe during the war. So her physic was a lot qualified as "boyish"

[@anita_loves_apples765]

I've seen a lot of people who call her ugly for being thin

[@milax2730]

She was beautiful but to much bones 🦴

[@anita_loves_apples765]

@@milax2730 body shaming ain't cool

[@ModernGurlz]

i'm a minute in and i'm already obsessed with this video

[@breathless_siren]

I have to say, between you, Mina Le, Broey Deschanel and this channel, l am getting my life with all of your content. Such good work, all of you.

[@samanthagupta]

I love that you both watch each other💝

[@itssarah3438]

@@breathless_siren I feel like Broey is less about fashion tho. But love her analysis too

[@annyviana21]

Omg bestie fancy seeing you here

[@the_mulattos]

Remember all of this is defined by lesbians. The male gaze and the female gaze and the concept

[@no-jb3em]

i love that both of them had bodies that dont fit what society sees as the "perfect shape" audrey was too thin and had a "boyish body" for their liking and marilyn often body shamed for having a tummy and being "fat", its sad that they still body shame these vintage beauties to this day

[@britneybritney]

What? Marilyn was deemed and still is to this day as having the ideal hourglass figure

[@katpage9378]

No, Marylin was very much considered the perfect shape. Her stomach is normal healthy size

[@zarwine7080]

Despite of their physical imperfections, it's just that there is something in their physical appearance that's attractive. Audrey knows how to carry clothes well that's why she became a fashion icon, while Marilyn knows how to make herself look elegant.

[@remigal899]

Your entire comment just spouts stupidity. Her body was still the standard and considered perfect at that time, and even today.

[@gildedpeahen876]

@@remigal899 only after she personally MADE it the standard. Up until her, the female starlets were pressured into eating disorders and yes Marilyn was 100% made to feel that she was too big. She was so vivacious that she shattered the standard Hollywood ideal and created a new ideal

[@Anna-oi4yj]

Audrey's beauty and elegance is once in a century, her moves, her eyes, her smile, everything was queen like

[@starlight.2467]

She actually was royalty.

[@marianaplayfair]

@@starlight.2467 her father was a duke i think, but they had fallen in disgrace sadly 😔.... Also, her elegance probably comes from her ballet background, most ballerinas have that kind of graciousness etc :))

[@gintongmandirigma698]

Sorry but I don't like bony chest 'cause I remember mine

[@NT-oo9qg]

Audrey Hepburn was super skinny like bag of bones. She has weird nose that you can see her nostrils lol. Flat chested🤢, small face she must have been weighted 30 kg

[@altrupassionategirl555]

​@@gintongmandirigma698No one is talking about you.

[@rubydoo3307]

I just realised, that Audrey Hepburn was insecure, but at the time, you couldn't pop down to the surgeon down the road and 'fix' everything, you had to live with it. I'm so glad she did. Same goes for Marilyn. Both beautiful, self-critical women who had to learn to be okay with themselves, and I know it's more complicated than that, but I find it inspiring. EDIT: I know Marilyn had stuff done, thanks to the replies for letting me know!

[@vassisvintage]

Actually, cosmetic surgery was avaliable during these times for celebrities. Marilyn was said to have had cosmetic surgery on her face. You can find further information about it online

[@rubydoo3307]

@@vassisvintage Oh wow, really? I had no idea, thanks for the info, I'll do a google!

[@catarinarodrigues3142]

Yeah marilyn reduced her nose a bit and added a chin impant cause she was made fun of in the film industry in the beggining of her career and called "The girl without a chin". The chin implant gave more projection to her face and looked better on film

[@NotJoegoldberg]

@@thesacredmonster2429 but thats a known fact, her autopsy proved that she had surgery.

[@thesacredmonster2429]

@@NotJoegoldberg Marilyn did a job at the cartilage of the nose. Many things have been invented for speculation and profit. About the death and autopsy of Marilyn Monroe they said more lies and bullshit than they said about aliens. We need to look very very carefully on google and we need to know filter (Sorry my English)

[@pinkvio]

“Marlyn broke the standard then became it” 🤍

[@EchelonPandora]

Therefore boring

[@iconslegends5230]

@@EchelonPandora Maybe, those who imitate Marilyn is boring, but surely Marilyn has never been boring!

[@iconslegends5230]

She continues to be a source of inspiration

[@jevonbrown6397]

she got the standard from a black women

[@iconslegends5230]

@@jevonbrown6397 She got the standard only from herself

[@SoWhosGae]

Idk why but them having medium-short hair during most of their lives makes me feel better about my own hair. 😅 It shows that the "traditional" feature of long hair as being one of the prerequisites to being beautiful and feminine is not an essential.

[@chrystianaw8256]

Short hair was in fashion back then

[@SoWhosGae]

@@chrystianaw8256 I know but they are considered beauty icons for many years and to this day when fashion and styles have changed. Even though their hair might not be fashionable now for example, you wouldn't catch anyone saying Marilyn or Audrey don't look gorgeous and elegant despite that.

[@heath2671]

I think one of the reasons that people like long hair nowadays is because it is generally more flattering on people. Both Audrey and Marilyn have fantastic bone structure though.

[@ertfgghhhh]

How about finding tbe beauty in yourself rather than relying on others for validation of your beauty. Or better yet, value your morals more than your attractiveness. Beauty fades. Morals do not.....

[@SoWhosGae]

@@ertfgghhhh Gee thanks I would've never thought about that 😒. It ain't that deep chief. It's just an observation on beauty.

[@solheinroth13]

I think people used to say back in the day:Are you a Jackie or a Marilyn? Since Audrey's career started almost at the end of Hollywood's Golden Age (she became famous with Roman Holiday but her peak was at the late 50s). By the time she reached her peak (Breakfast at Tiffany's in 1961), Marilyn died a year later. So both actresses weren't really put against each other, Marilyn sadly already started to get blacklisted in productions due to her mental illness and behavior (She didn't actually turn down Breakfast at Tiffany's, since the producers wanted a more "fresh"version of Holly). So, Audrey had more opportunities and was the It Girl

[@maireen3889]

both are QUEENS

[@the_mulattos]

You realize this is through a lesbian lens though right

[@nanaah4602]

yup

[@kyitty]

@@the_mulattos what are you even talking about

[@archiveofyass]

@@the_mulattos who said that and when was this even mentioned

[@weareallinthis3668]

YESSSS

[@itssarah3438]

Marilyn was also a Kibbe romantic, to follow your analysis on Kibbe body types ! I feel like Audrey & Marilyn represent very well their Respective type as Marilyn being Sensual,flirtatious & Audrey youthful, careless.

[@mpvf0]

Audrey was categorized as a Flamboyant Gamine as well

[@itssarah3438]

@@mpvf0 oh yeah I was implying that too ☺️

[@miahan8988]

Hello, fellow Kibbe friends 😊

[@pinkywinky7207]

Marylin Monroe was just a persona, sensual and flirtatious more like a exploited and hypersexualized

[@Arginne]

@@mpvf0 how is that possible when she was 5’7? Gamines cant be that tall.

[@Krissy_K888]

That limited view Marilyn mentions is because people feel a sense of insecurity by people who are perceived as pretty, so to ease their own ego they tell themselves the pretty person must be at least dumber than them. To convince themselves, they even go out of their way to make these people feel dumb. They consider this easier than just working on whatever they don't like about themselves.

[@johnwalker1058]

Yup. "Hurt people hurt people," as they say. I think when someone is not used to seeing others uplifted or doesn't understand how that works, the only way they know how to uplift themselves is to lash out at someone else and try to cut them down even lower than they feel or perceive about themselves, so that they are uplifted by relative comparison.

[@gildedpeahen876]

Exactly. "There's no way you're beautiful AND smart and I'm ugly AND dumb, I must be secretly smart to make up for my appearance and theres no way they have both"

[@missygee531]

I lived with this. My sister that was older constantly 'bashed' me. Yes she was smart, I'll give her that. But I lived with her criticism daily. She so wanted my beauty that it became pathological. It has lasted my entire adulthood. I know I was poised due to years of dance. And so were my words. They were always kind. My figure has remained thin where as my sister filled out. The difference with us was quiet/demure vs vocal/demonstrative. Somene in this thread mentioned 'hurt ppl hurt ppl' (?) ...as mentioned i grew up with my sister constantly hurting me. I remain an Audrey type to this day. I believe she was truly femine and a style icon. Coming from Hollywood, to retain a style that was proper and ladylike showed strength. Yes she was thin, not a lot to reveal. But her 'thin' benefitted her. Some of us can just be that way. To me, Audrey was pure elegance.

[@Krissy_K888]

@@missygee531 I agree. Hurt people hurt people is generalizing a bit. I had a similar experience to yours with my mother, but I didn't end up bullying people because they are larger. As you said, insecurities are loud, and confidence is silent. It is easy to recognize when we learn to disassociate from poisonous words. There is a beautiful book called 'How to be Lovely: The Audrey Hepburn Way of Life'. That is also very grounding.

[@fadillahassyaufi5118]

Actually it's not all of her fault, how good do you think hollywood is? Especially when it had come to a beautiful woman back then?

[@solheinroth13]

In my country, almost all beauty salons have a photo of Marilyn Monroe. Some may don't know her name, but no one can say they didn't see her face

[@screenactorsguilable]

All people that cannot know her name MM should be considered to be shallow twats. No respect !

[@pinkywinky7207]

That's because she was widely represented by pop culture artists such as Andy Warhol

[@ijustwannabehappier-v4973]

@@screenactorsguilable wtf

[@mohamedahmedyassinhussein6856]

What country you from and yes she’s a icon all around the world

[@mvvx313]

@@mohamedahmedyassinhussein6856 as Muslims we shouldn’t these ppl icons

[@laurasdumbchannel2157]

Each one of your videos is a masterpiece. The scripts are thought-provoking and insightful. The visuals are detailed and cohesive. (I love how they look like a magazine layout!) So much research, work, and skill must go into these. Thanks so much for taking the time to make beautiful things for your viewers!

[@the_mulattos]

This is all from a lesbian point of view right

[@angelaattenbon4788]

The desperate attempt at a slow, lingering 'sexy' voice makes it very difficult to listen to.

[@laurasdumbchannel2157]

@@angelaattenbon4788 Try her newest video-new narrator

[@bubblepop2245]

They created the gloves + dress look. They no doubt influenced most of the fashion we see today. They will not only be fashion icons but just icons in general.

[@mvvx313]

They didn’t create it although they are fashion icons

[@hi-ve1cw]

The gloves + dress look had literally been around for centuries before them but ok lol. They didn't even popularise it, like gloves and a dress was the standard evening look for women since like the 18th century

[@Saffron-sugar]

I recognise not everybody knows much about fashion. But neither of them invented any of the things they wore. They invented their whole personas.

[@sweetcelien]

Besides Audrey beauty, she was a very intelligent woman too she spoke many languages and she spoke them fluently

[@NT-oo9qg]

Audrey Hepburn was super skinny like bag of bones. She has weird that you can see her nostrils lol. Flat chested🤢, small face she must have been weighted 30 kg

[@nikitaniki19]

Im reading 'Fragments' right now, a book full of personal notes and entrys and even some poetry by Marilyn. People don't always realize her persona was deliberate and planned, underneath it she was incredibly intelligent. She had a unique way of thinking and a great vocabulary. She embraced her sensitivity which I also find very unique, she even tried expressing it with her body language which is what makes her so endearing to look at.

[@peppercornowl1182]

Marilyn Monroe always made me feel better about myself. I realise that her curated persona was not who she really was and though that is terrible it made me realise that it isn't necessarily a bad thing to not be vulnerable around everybody I know and that made me more comfortable in a lot of situations. Also, I am quite insecure about my chest size (far too large if you ask me) but though that is a lifelong struggle for me with clothing (surprisingly hard to find clothes that fit, yes I do have many more trips to a tailor than I would like). But my breasts are exactly the same measurement around as my hips, and if Marilyn Monroe made that beautiful, maybe I can too.

[@anncyl3348]

Girl you are really pretty...! Many people payed for your body.

[@flightforlight157]

Of course you can😊

[@missygee531]

Girl I'm sure you're perfect!! And modesty will make you even more perfect! 🌷

[@zenitsu1909]

marylin monroe was always beautifull xx people are jealous of her and adore to humbl her, ot put her from pedestal

[@pinkvio]

“Our own gaze must be intact” 🙌🏻

[@ForeverSweetx3]

Audrey is the most beautiful woman ever! Her features were not traditional and yet it all came together. She was just gorgeous! Also her love for people shined through like you said. Love love Audrey!

[@NT-oo9qg]

Audrey Hepburn was super skinny like bag of bones. She has weird that you can see her nostrils lol. Flat chested🤢, small face she must have been weighted 30 kg

[@debspringchannel831]

Everyone seems to ignore how miserably tormented they were outside the big screen.

[@ForeverSweetx3]

Monroe more so than Hepburn. Hepburn had a sad life and marriages.

[@user-kj1pq6zh3x]

Audrey had a good life, except her childhood. But she found a good husband at the end, unlike MM

[@nini-rb7wb]

✨Audrey Hepburn✨ the way she speak and carry out herself is simply elegant and classy lady. Love her sm🌷

[@NT-oo9qg]

Audrey Hepburn was super skinny like bag of bones. She has weird that you can see her nostrils lol. Flat chested🤢, small face she must have been weighted 30 kg

[@user-kj1pq6zh3x]

​@@NT-oo9qg you're eyeless.

[@retiredwinxfairy9976]

Audrey Hepburn was also made to appeal to the male gaze. She and Marilyn just had different shticks, but they were all pandering to men.

[@pollysshore2539]

Was she? Laura Mulvey came up with the male gaze in the 1970s. She was a history major with no experience in film whatsoever. She married a director, got a little jealous watching him work and came up with the concept. It is just that though. It’s one woman thoughts based on her experience. It’s not a proven fact carved in stone. Plenty of feminists disagree with the concept while noting that Laura is an incredibly sweet person. Some found and continue to find her ideas interesting and thought provoking. The problem is when they treat it as indisputable. Fun fact… Freud was also wrong in the majority of his theories. Radical feminists and their allies always had a very bizarre relationship with Freud. They simultaneously blasted him for being a patriarchal pig wrong about everything while treating all of his theories as gospel. Unfortunately this bit of psychodrama keeps rearing it’s head in campus feminism. Incredibly dangerous malpractice like repressed/recovered memory, which has destroyed the lives of many women and their families, keeps being propped up on a pedestal as a valuable part of “feminist therapy” that must be reclaimed every 30 years. It started the Satanic Panic when Boomers “reclaimed” it and resulted in a large number of leveled lives and a spike in suicides among mentally ill women. When Freud came up with the concept it’s based on many years ago he eventually realized he was inadvertently encouraging his troubled - mentally ill female patients to make false accusations of years of forgotten sexual abuse through the use of drugs, hypnosis and heavy suggestion. This is something that can happen very easily (there is a wealth of video from the 1980s - 1990s that helps prove it). He did multiple tests to make sure this was the case, wrote extensively about it and shelved his theory because it was harming women. It wasn’t helping them. The very idea that women alone are spiraled into an alternate reality by a penis is a problematic one, to say the least. Yet, again, every 30 years the radfem conspiracy theory about Freud being forced to shelve his theory by the patriarchy in order to keep the abuse of women and girls hidden resurfaces, and campaigns to destroy more womens lives in the name of “feminism” and actual patriarchal claptrap emerges. Soon after Mulvey is drug off the shelf again. It’s exhausting.

[@retiredwinxfairy9976]

@@pollysshore2539 Sis... Chill

[@maya-cc2sx]

@@pollysshore2539 this was actually interesting to read, what did you mean by that line about mulvey?

[@cat_pb]

@@maya-cc2sx I also wondered about that!! Hope the person replies!

[@fujoshirants9609]

@@retiredwinxfairy9976 Typical feminist response to a highly intellectual discourse. I am not even surprised anymore.

[@Sophie-fr2yh]

You have officially replaced Vogue for me

[@preranapradeep3963]

It's crazy for me how women who had insecurities became icons BECAUSE of their insecurities by using the resources. Marilyn, Audrey, Kim, Kylie and many more. They didn't fit in the standards so they became it. You're not ugly, you just lack resource

[@pinkywinky7207]

What the hell, that's fucked up to think, or they could invest in their education rather than altering their physical appearance completely? (Given the obvious impact this has on the psyche) Kim and Kylie are horrible examples, meanwhile Marilyn is just the OG glam whore Who was hypersexualized, Audrey is the only one that has something to say appart from her being naturally gorgeous

[@preranapradeep3963]

@@pinkywinky7207 u can say anything. But u can't deny that these women created standards which was followed by women for at least a decade. Fucked up or not.

[@pinkywinky7207]

@@preranapradeep3963 yes, that makes It even more terrifying

[@yungjose3369]

You didn't just put Marilyn and Audrey in the same sentence as the kardashians.

[@audreyf9092]

Kylie literally recreated everything about herself 💀 no comparison

[@persecell]

I was just rewatching your French New Wave video! Love the content you've been making lately, please keep it up! You deserve much more attention and love, these videos are extremely well stylised and simultaneously informative.

[@CleverAndChic]

This truly warms my heart, so happy to hear you’re enjoying it! Thank you so much 🖤

[@the_mulattos]

This is just lesbianism

[@dianana7371]

Thank you for this video, I honestly love both these women so much. They were both incredibly intelligent, empathic, chic, sensitive, beautiful inside and out.

[@giooriani]

Amazing video! I always had a soft spot for Marilyn since when I studied in high school her "portraits" made by Warhol. Then during my MA we had a class on the concept of "icon" and its representation throughout history and conteporary art and ofc we talked about Marilyn. When I learned that she was able to put on that persona but "off camera" was a very different kind of person I fell even more in love with her. It was maybe just a feeling but I knew what she presented as a character wasn't all she had in her at all. She was so much more! And I am also one of the people that thinks that the Warhol prints are not just a flat and easy commentary on fame but actually there are many layers to them, just like Marilyn herself.

[@KennyVacek]

Beautiful and insightful topic on old Hollywood’s most glamorous actresses, would love to see a video on Grace Kelly’s style evolution from actress to Princess of Monaco

[@forschungstorte]

Outstanding video, thank you. Would be intrigued to see what take you may have on Mae West who for one incorporated the male gaze for her presentation but also strongly emphasized her female gaze towards the men she chose to presented with her in her films and her later Las Vegas shows.

[@gildedpeahen876]

YES mae west! Is that a gun in your pocket or are u just happy to see me

[@user-tl1er3nh1m]

Honestly I wish people would stop pitting these two amazing women against each other, it happened then, and it still happens now.

[@magicknight13]

Fashion history, art history, philosophy, film theory, Euphoria, incredible editing.... this is the best video ever! 😭 everything i love

[@lianeee6883]

If Audrey was lacking beauty then what are the rest of us then 🥲

[@deadinside8719]

🤷‍♀️ nothing then

[@NT-oo9qg]

Audrey Hepburn was super skinny like bag of bones. She has weird that you can see her nostrils lol. Flat chested🤢, small face she must have been weighted 30 kg

[@samanthagupta]

Please cover Scream Queens and Desperate Housewives at some point! I would love your insight!

[@caminoprojectUS]

Honestly this deserves more veiws. My personal preference trends towards Audrey's mind. Hepburn was a survivor of the freedom fighters during ww2. Her sharp calculating intellect was striking. Independent but able to admit the advantages of others strenghts. Defiantly loyal. Though that loyalty is earned. In my experience that is the type of lady you wish to have at your side.

[@NT-oo9qg]

Audrey Hepburn was super skinny like bag of bones. She has weird that you can see her nostrils lol. Flat chested🤢, small face she must have been weighted 30 kg

[@X-Warrior.1119]

These women we're... Way Ahead Of The Game?!

[@mystuff8579]

I don't know if I can do the voice but I'm so interested in the content but whew I'm struggling not to click off!!!!

[@TanyaBananaaaa14]

I watched it with captions on but with the audio muted!

[@thornyback]

I'm cringing so bad over the fake demure soft feminine voice.

[@gillian6918]

i sped it up so it sounded more normal

[@joyce3003]

@@thornyback it's not fake it's literally just the voice that the youtuber has and was born with :/

[@cataguerra8301]

@@joyce3003 doubt it

[@melinapowers1454]

I disagree with most of this. I think they are equally beautiful and it seems pretty obvious that men frequently admired Audrey too. Marilyn experienced plenty of criticism about her looks in her career too. She is not naturally blonde either I will add. And as far as I can tell it is mostly just Audrey who has said some negative things about her own appearance (it's not so much the rest of us). Also, for some reason some people seem to like to compare their breast size as well which to me seems unnecessary to bring up. Picking people apart and not just seeing the whole seems silly to me. I just see Audrey as beautiful, but if we are going to get into the details of it, I would add that at certain points in Marilyn's career her breast size was more similar to Audrey's size. She tended to wear the pointy bras that were popular at the time too which emphasize your chest. It's almost like comparing someone in a push up bra to someone without one. Or it's like comparing someone in a baggy shirt to that.

[@wolfsmaid6815]

hm, I also disagree with the video but I would provocatively state that whatever men collectively like in women defines beauty. Women do not try to achieve beauty of character or of body for themselves, not matter what they say.

[@mcchilde2903]

@@wolfsmaid6815 so I guess lesbians also do it for men?

[@thesacredmonster2429]

Yes, but there are photos of Marilyn Monroe where she was naked, and her breast was really prosperous, (not enormous, but prosperous) she had a nice breast. In the last period (before she died) she had lost weight. (sorry my English)

[@kuramacabre]

The main difference between the two, beauty-related, was the bone structure. As a Romantic, any flesh on Marilyn's body looked lush. As a Flamboyant Gamine, Audrey's body looks more teen-like. One is not better than the other, they are just different.

[@melinapowers1454]

Their facial structure is actually quite similar and even their overall bone structure is similar too. They both have a large waist to hip ratio which doesn't make me think of an early teen. They both have big eyes etc. However, I agree that one is not better than the other and that one is not necessarily, in general, more desirable than the other (by men or women alike).

[@clarissagafoor5222]

Goodness gracious me I don't want to be unkind but this woman's voice - I seriously can't....

[@preranapradeep3963]

This style of talking is more suitable for soothing audiobooks for sleep. It was too difficult and energy consuming to take in the information because it was overly soothing and slowly talked.

[@enough2715]

The loud music and breathy monotone voice is really hard to listen to and focus on.

[@vitalityseeker6193]

This is a beautifully and intelligently composed and crafted overview of style, film, and femininity as viewed though the lens. Thank you for offering us this inspiring and insightful view of fashion and beauty, and how these perceptions have created an enduring standard of beauty, and understanding of the power of feminine strength, which continues to instruct and inform regardless of the passage of time. Elegance is timeless, as evidenced by this memorable presentation which you have created. BRAVA!

[@MatchaMama3]

It’s always interesting to me that Marilyn Monroe is such a style icon but she learned it all from Dorothy Dandrige. They were both beautiful ladies and good friends.

[@niccole3542]

I am pretty sure anyone can agree that they were both beautiful women beyond their body shapes.It's sad that back in those days and even now famous females are still critiqued on their bodies regardless if its natural or not.I feel like no woman nor person should be told whether they're beautiful or not by anyones gaze.The gaze should only be for ourselves and no one else.

[@KO.42]

Great video! Can you do one on Jackie Kennedy? Her style was impeccable.

[@williamkazak469]

Marilyn always seemed to be playing the character role, a bit over the top. Audrey was styled by the designer, giving her an edge that she embraced. Thanks for this history lesson. Certainly, they both had an influence.

[@goldenqueen729]

I think both are for the male gaze, because we live in a patrical society

[@kuramacabre]

I agree with you, they embody different male appeals.

[@Alkymisten100]

I don't buy into the feminist idea of a patrical society.

[@pinkywinky7207]

They are the embodiment of the madonna whore complex

[@SR77736]

@@Alkymisten100 who cares? Doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[@phucbich7581]

@@Alkymisten100 cool that DOESNT mean it’s not a thing

[@khaliaward1771]

i love both of them so much. i would’ve loved if they met and were friends.

[@chloeluv]

I hateeee how the narrator speaks… it gives me an ick

[@tiffanyroseangeles7517]

Marilyn was never a dumb blonde! She read compulsively! She had those roles" that didn't mean she was that woman" How brill to say she only slept in Chanel no 5? In those days,that made her more/ more sexy. I thought her body was very curvy though I heard one of her fave designers were Pucci & Chanel. Actually towards her last film, she went on the steak & champagne " diet lost weight ....Apparently her size was as small as Kate Moss upon her death. Perhaps before) RIP lovelies!

[@sirkook8769]

She was a red head or something

[@abundanz]

It’s funny how the way you are talking is the audio equivalent of the male gaze.

[@SinisterSaturation]

Yeah, I was thinking this. It's a good analysis of the women and looks, but this whole video is just male gaze 😂

[@scorpia513]

Because of these two icons, Audrey & Marilyn, I learn to love my own body

[@DestinyTries]

I’m literally obsessed with both😭

[@limtorejosandy9397]

i must say, marilyn was more of a femme fatale while audrey is ethreal. both women are good when it comes on how they presented their self well

[@jenniferhalliwell416]

As a beauty professional...it is about the audience. Women...because they have been raised to be "good girls" often times, develop a hatred for a "Marilyn" type! And prefer...the fashion icon. Like an Audrey. While men...often times, prefer the "Marilyn" type. And its not about hair color but more so the energy one exudes. A woman who is curvy and pretty and has no problem showing it...will often be looked down on from other women who dream of doing such but are too afraid to! Men love them...women hate them. While the Audrey types are celebrated and praised by women...and men go "Meh". Because men don't really care about fashion. Breakfast at Tiffany's means more to Women and "alphabet men" then it does to men! While "The Seven Year Itch" men literally mobbed the street to watch Marilyn's skirt all night long! And we see this today. Kim K...Beyonce...Pam Anderson were all hated by women! While men found them ravishing! And the fashionista women Diana, Victoria Beckham, Zendaya...all women who are fashion icons of today...but not so popular among men. They mean more to women! Its the battle that will continue to rage on! What none of us realize or what we all miss is that both types are geniuses! Zendaya was asked to read "Mean tweets" about her. So she is reading one where a guy says "I am not attracted to her. She looks like her feet smell like funyuns" Zendaya says: "Let's see". She takes off her heel...holds the red bottom to the camera while sniffing it and replies "Nope! Smells like success to me." Now what makes this BRILLIANT is because a man doesn't know fashion so he has no clue he's just been check mated! Women got it! Cause we know fashion. So we know...anyone in a red bottom shoe...HAS to be successful because of the price of that shoe! Likewise...Marilyn was a character in and of herself. I don't mean in a movie! Norma made up the "CHARACTER" of Marilyn Monroe but that's not who she really was! A friend said they were walking down a busy street...not being bothered by anyone. Marilyn looks over at him and said "Want to see me be her?" He said...like a switch...she flipped something on! Her walk changed...and cars started to stop IMMEDIATELY and call her name! She had studied BODY MOVEMENTS and had created this character right down to the finest detail of a walk. That takes intelligence! Now some women can give you BOTH! And be both! Even though most fall into one or the other. ENTER: Queen ELizabeth! No not that one! I mean Elizabeth Taylor! She had the curves and breasts of a Marilyn but the fashion sense of a Hepburn! Popular with both men and women! Her curves helped her seduce men right down to stealing a woman's husband... but her fashion gave her popularity with women! Thus men wanted her and women respected her as a fashion icon. But it is a battle that will always be! The vixen vs the Fashionista!

[@jenniferhalliwell416]

@@esthergift8373 I saw it too but its more than curves. Again, its energy. Audrey would also be a bit flirty in roles, but it wasn't seen on the same level as Marilyn because Audrey always exuded or "gave you" the "Fashionista." Which women respect! So again, it depends on your audience. If you want to be loved by women, be a fashionista. If you want to be loved by men (But you will be hated by women) be a Marilyn. Marilyn wore amazing gowns too but would NEVER be seen as a "Fashionista" because that is not the energy she gave off. Same thing in the modeling world. Tyra Banks was "sexy" but Naomi Campbell was FASHION! So men went crazy for Tyra, while women hated her and celebrated Naomi!

[@deadinside8719]

How they treat Marilyn Monroe break my heart every time Girl know your worth We don't have to be candy

[@mvvx313]

say it louder 🙌

[@valeriamedina94]

the content seems really interesting but the voice is sooo weird and over acted, why?

[@chloeluv]

Exactly sounds like she wants to speak like Sydney Sweeney or Alexa Demie

[@alexchadsey5029]

I literally cannot concentrate on what is being said in this video because my misphonia at the intense vocal fry is shuddering my being.

[@alexchadsey5029]

@@sferrara I really liked the content, so I ultimately had to set it to captions and mute it.

[@alteredcatscyprus]

@@alexchadsey5029 Great idea.

[@fadillahassyaufi5118]

Could you imagine how those women could be loved by all women and men even until now? I love how big their powers of understanding to another women to make them feeling like beautiful for the way they were back then. I mean it's so hard to find like those powerful women with all of their understanding and not making a rule of being something good among nowadays famous celebrities.

[@journ7258]

I cant even watch through a minute on this because of how this lady speaks

[@mehreen_syed__]

I'm sorry I couldnt continue as I couldn't tolerate narrator's overexaggeration of sultry voice

[@starfishsisyphus8150]

why does the narration sound like this i cant listen to it without cringing :"(

[@Tigerheiress]

my mom always tells me i remind her of audrey. it makes me feel good because my sister is such a marilyn

[@sabrina_5563]

Marilyn is beautiful but for me Audrey is goddess

[@NT-oo9qg]

Audrey Hepburn was super skinny like bag of bones. She has weird that you can see her nostrils lol. Flat chested🤢, small face 🤢 she must have been weighted 30 kg

[@zenitsu1909]

for me Audrey is beautifull but Marylin is goddess

[@blondegirlsezthis8798]

There was an episode of Mad Men where the team figured out that marketing to women ended up being either to a Marilyn or a Jackie O, not very different

[@nobodyelse7911]

These 2 women inspire me so much in many ways.

[@koohanpaik-mander7567]

This voice-over is a riot.

[@TanyaBananaaaa14]

I will be honest, the production is amazing as well as the depth of research and portrayal of both women, but it’s just a little hard to appreciate the video because of the narrator’s voice. It feels like listening to a cheesy chocolate/perfume ad trying to seduce you into buying their products. Either that or the person speaking sounds completely uninterested. The delivery is just borderline cringey. But I love the video, though, don’t get me wrong. I was actually looking forward to this when you tweeted that this vid was in production!

[@aeromocinho]

by what i'd read it seems she have a breathing issue, how insensitive of you

[@TanyaBananaaaa14]

@@aeromocinho not everyone does a background check on the people they watch on KZbin before commenting on the quality of the video they’d just seen ……..

[@angelaattenbon4788]

@@aeromocinho It is as fake as Marilyn Monroe's breathy little girl voice.

[@joyce3003]

The narrator cannot help the voice she has, and comments like yours as well-meaning or whatever they may seem have unfortunately added pressure to this channel so that recently she has been using an automated voice instead :/

[@joyce3003]

@@angelaattenbon4788 no it's not

[@jerseypooh4664]

Love those two. Such icons along with Grace Kelly, Judy Garland, Jane Russell, Rita Hayworth, Doris Day, Julie Andrews, Ava Gardner, Dorothy Dandridge and so many others. The golden era of Hollywood is my fave I think.

[@demsupremacist3238]

in the small town where i live there are two movie theaters and they both have a picture of marilyn

[@HB-mr7xz]

So many people talk about Marilyn's beauty but they don't mentioned she has plastic surgeries. I think it's important to have full disclosure of what is natural beauty and what is not. Audrey in the other hand has no surgery and she truly believes in inner beauty and growing old gracefully. One of her poems that I admired below. “The beauty of a woman is not in the clothes she wears, the figure that she carries, or the way she combs her hair. The beauty of a woman is seen in her eyes, because that is the doorway to her heart, the place where love resides. True beauty in a woman is reflected in her soul. It’s the caring that she lovingly gives, the passion that she shows & the beauty of a woman only grows with passing years.”

[@hanam.3323]

this editing is so amazing

[@kyshasmith7798]

But why does she narrate like that…?

[@anthonybredelberg9286]

Marilyn Monroe: American goddess Audrey Hepburn: British goddess

[@kelseyk530]

Audrey was Dutch.

[@Arch55567]

Both gorgeous.

[@ctruth6185]

@@kelseyk530 Audrey was from Belgium.

[@NT-oo9qg]

Audrey Hepburn was super skinny like bag of bones. She has weird that you can see her nostrils lol. Flat chested🤢, small face 🤢 she must have been weighted 30 kg

[@fatimazohradamas9490]

the woman speaking in this vidéo her voice is so anoying she should speak with a delicate voice and not rushing with words

[@bo1029]

Why are you talking like that??!

[@astralapparel]

Literally having to click off as it’s so grating

[@koreyr494]

its demure

[@sunitaupadhyaya3287]

I love Audrey Hepburn

[@vim2339]

Yess me too she look really natural

[@asanta2023]

Love her humanitarian work.

[@NT-oo9qg]

Audrey Hepburn was super skinny like bag of bones. She has weird that you can see her nostrils lol. Flat chested🤢, small face 🤢 she must have been weighted 30 kg

[@s.ugahoneyicetea]

This video was absolutely perfect. She never misses.

[@kim-it8de]

i cant stand how her voice curls at the end of each sentence

[@FabalociousDee]

15:44 Hits the nail on the head.

[@paulinalinalina]

Geat, video do next about Rita Hayworth, Ava Gardner, Elizabeth Taylor..

[@amberong4557]

lmaoo its so funny how at the end if every sentence she says it with vibrato, it was annoying at first but just got funnier and funnier

[@katpage9378]

That’s not vibrato lol It’s vocal fry

[@amberong4557]

@@katpage9378 yep that, i forgot the word for it

[@maryam.2890]

Omg ur right , I'm wheezing

[@thesacredmonster2429]

Marilyn Monroe... So magnetic

[@anonymous78546]

Marilyn Monroe is the most beautiful woman ever. Thank you for this wonderful video. 💖

[@joycezale5433]

Personally, I find audrey more attractive. Marylin is pretty, but audrey has more sophistication and elegance. She had better clothes.

[@pinkywinky7207]

Yeah that's for sure, she is better in every sense

[@sirkook8769]

Even if marylin and Audrey would wear the same dress... Marylin would still be seen as sensual and beautiful..while Audrey would be seem as elegant and cute. Marylin would be seen as "dumb" while Audrey would be seen as innocent. It's not exactly because of their body type but also their facial features and proportions.

[@deadinside8719]

Marilyn Monroe body Aurdey face

[@foofung9961]

@@sirkook8769 I don’t agree with that interpretation

[@ForeverSweetx3]

Audrey's face was just breathtaking which is why she never needed much makeup. Naturally beautiful

[@vim2339]

Audrey is the most beautiful woman in the world her face features are amazing.

[@NT-oo9qg]

Audrey Hepburn was super skinny like bag of bones. She has weird that you can see her nostrils lol. Flat chested🤢, small face 🤢 she must have been weighted 30 kg

[@quynhanhnguyen9186]

Great, well-researched video but the Narrator's voice was very uncomfortable and grating to listen to. It's that forceful lingering "seductive" voice mixed with vocal fries that's supposed to be soothing but ends up sounding unnatural and irritating instead. I had to mute and turn on CC in order to finish the video which is a shame bc otherwise the presentation is very cohesive and well-put together with incredible visuals

[@CleverAndChic]

I produce these videos myself, I naturally speak like this and can’t help it. I have a severely deviated septum and can’t breathe very well so this is the voice I have for now until surgery. I no longer narrate in new videos If you’re interested in this content. I appreciate the recognition of the work I put into it

[@quynhanhnguyen9186]

@Clever & Chic I'm very sorry, I didn't know that. From the bottom of my heart I apologize for my insensitive and hurtful comment. In no means I intended to demean your work and passion. From my perspective it was a mere observation as a viewer. Your tone and vocabulary was very pleasant but I thought the dragging of the syllables was on purpose and certain pattern of speech sounded robotic, so I was wondering if it's edited or auto-generated to some extent. I guess I was especially frustrated bc overall the way the researches, facts and your analysis is structured & presented up to your eloquence was super satisfying and intriguing to take in as a viewer. It doesn't change the fact that I was ignorant and disregarded someone's feelings. Especially since you put your soul and heart into your work with incredible attention to detail and structure, of course you want to share it to the world with your very own voice. Thank you so much for being kind and telling me about your condition. I wish you a lot of strength and luck on your journey and of course a quick, successful recovery from the surgery.

[@enhadassah5336]

@@CleverAndChic I loved your voice please do more narrating 😘

[@musca.domestica]

The editing in this video is incredible omg

[@lala99la]

I love your content but the vocal fry is hurting my ears. I have been following you for months, you didn't talk this way in your earlier videos.

[@CleverAndChic]

I was very nervous so my voice was higher/softer in my earlier videos recording, it is intimidating to do. I’ve become more comfortable and am relaxed so my voice is more true to sound (plus I have an actual microphone now)

[@destinyamedu9576]

I happen to like the vocal fry. It's unconventionally pleasing.

[@kathleenherzik9858]

@@CleverAndChic your voice is soothing and lovely to me. The whole experience here is amazing. Thank you.

[@mystic_mimi21]

A similar issue is the Marylyn vs Jackie. ‘Whore’ vs Madonna

[@thesacredmonster2429]

???

[@naninuna7440]

Oof, whoever came up with that, doesn't respect any women, andbyes that includes who they consider Madonna's.

[@anagy20]

I really appreciate the psychological insight that you put on each of your videos. Thanks for sharing your beautiful content.

[@the_mulattos]

All of it is lesbian conspiracy

[@yyg4632]

@@the_mulattos oops looks like the video attracted a psycho

[@the_mulattos]

Both of them are constructs by lesbians where it supposed to make women feel lesser if a man looks at them as a form of gatekeeping hetero sexual relationships.

[@pinkywinky7207]

@@the_mulattos were you in a psychotic episode?

[@red4679]

I absolutly LOVE Marilyn but I really can't excuse her cheating with JFK. You should NEVER do something like that to another woman. And even though I DO agree that she was being used by a powerful man, in the end we all do have a choice. She wasn't raped or blackmailed. So no. She wasn't just and only a powerless innocent victim. However still a human being that should have been treated with more decency.

[@red4679]

@kurozke Absolutly agreed

[@mcarm3628]

100 AGREE

[@mvvx313]

She had affairs with multiple men and at some point moved in with a married man but rip to both of them

[@unknownstranger6875]

Audrey also had an affair with JFK and a couple of other married men.

[@mvvx313]

@kurozke no no it was an affair. theyre were both gf n bf and he was married. She didnt marry him cuz she thought that her love for him is not enough for a marriage to happen.

[@YGhappyvirus]

interesting that marilyn loved chanel so publicly even though chanel is now more associated with flamboyant gamines like audrey!

[@mvvx313]

Right 💕

[@karinagomescruz]

Her voice is too breathy I can’t watch this 😭😭😭

[@jackienolan9142]

While this video is interesting I needed to mute and read the closed captioning because the narrator’s cadence, vocal fry and tone of voice is annoying.

[@boethia7367]

Both women were beautiful, but I personally found Marilyn more so. I think it's bc I loved her style and mannerisms.

[@takaogui]

Incredible video, but the vocal fry is driving me crazy on the naration...but the script and editing impecable, amazing video

[@mustardbiscuits9750]

Idk if you still see the comments left on these vids, but I’ve gotta say I absolutely adore this channel. It’s my favorite fashion channel, I love the style, writing, and presentation. I really hope to see you make more vids in the future!

[@CleverAndChic]

I do! I’ve just been on a bit of hiatus, thank you for taking the time to leave such a sweet comment. That truly warms my heart, I’m so happy to hear. I hope to return soon enough, much love 🖤

[@gg-ke1gp]

What’s up with the deeply affected tone of the narration? It sounds like a….certain kind of pop up ad

[@chillen8413]

love this vid but that voice made me want to rip my ear drums out