Logitech Ergo K860 Review - My First Ergonomic Keyboard!

The new MX Ergo K860 takes the Logitech MX concept and moves it to a much more ergonomic form factor for touch typing. But how does it feel for someone who has never used an ergonomic keyboard before and will its price, availability and battery life cause problems?
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[@mikeshift225]

I must be old. When I was in school we had to take a mandatory "keyboarding" class. Looking back, I'm glad I did. I can't imagine what it's like to sit down in front of a keyboard and not know where the keys are!

[@SirT0M1]

I must be older. When I was in high school we took a "typing" class using mechanical typewriters. AAA BBB CCC..... I had never heard of the term "keyboarding" at that time. LOL!!

[@nilsemmenegger7770]

I'm a youngster who sadly never properly learned to type so I just use basically 4 of my fingers flying all over the place. My typing speed isn't bad (85WPM) but I'm scared of repetitive strain injuries. I figured it'd be pretty hard to relearn how to type but not much harder if I just learned an entirely new keyboard layout so I decided to learn Dvorak. Anyway, I'm disappointed it isn't a mandatory course (or a course at all in my case) anymore. I could've saved myself a lot of time and effort that way.

[@roilev]

I had this annoying colleague at work that loved coming to my desk and trying stuff at my PC. I bought 10keyless cherry brown mechanical switches keyboard, with no markings on the keys! This keyboard alone stopped him annoying me!

[@roilev]

In another office we had this april fool where they changed the keys on the keyboards. The caps were easy to remove and shuffle. After 3 months one colleague noticed that I still haven't switched back my keys -- I haven't noticed it at all

[@mikeshift225]

@@SirT0M1 It's all the same. Kind of like how "gym class" has turned into "Physical Education. I had to sit at the keyboard with a piece of paper over my fingers to learn how to type. AAA BBB CCC. haha

[@unparticularnoise9021]

Thanks, Eber. Great review. You kinda convinced me to try this out. Also cinematography is great, lighting is great. Colors so vivid and punchy! You guys so grew up. Really amazing.

[@amadeusb4]

Battery life is INSANE! Now you know why there's no back lighting. This has been my work keyboard for the past year and it has helped my hands out even though I've had a busy year. Totally recommended. $130 is nothing compared to going through carpal tunnel release surgery. Take care of yourself.

[@engelsseele2]

Honestly logitech has some of the best mice and keyboards that excell at battery life!

[@zmangormz]

but it is membrane for that price

[@kilgoretrout321]

Touch typing is something you can learn from a library book. I found a typewriter-based book at my library and went through it for a few weeks. My typing immediately improved, and it really clicked once I had to do a lot of writing for online classes. It IS about muscle memory, and some key movements such as using your left index finger for "B" are initially awkward, yet it's totally worth it. Especially if you know keyboard shortcuts for your operating system, your productivity improves DRAMATICALLY. It's not just that you don't need to look at your fingers, it's that you hardly need to use your mouse! You probably have no idea, but your keyboard can pretty much do it all, and it's a fun feeling. If I were you, I'd make touch typing a goal and get started on it today. Especially if enjoy life hacks or you fancy yourself a computer person, a gamer, or you work in an office. OMG, office people should HAVE TO learn touch typing, if just to make their life way EASIER. Anyway, best of luck.

[@VG-2792]

Been using an ergonomics keyboard for years, with the latest being the K860 the past few months. And I love this keyboard. Being able to connect to a pc and a Mac and my iPad, has been awesome. the feel is great and very comfortable. Funny how you mentioned its a large keyboard, look at the ms 4000. I found this KB has a great design and use of space. Best KB I’ve used in long while. Enjoy the channel, great reviews.

[@auradrifter7779]

I’ve been eyeing ergo keyboards this week, so I’m glad you uploaded this. Think I’m going to get it.

[@PetarStamenkovic]

I've been using ergonomic keyboard from almost the start, from 1995 with the first Microsoft natural keyboard. I'm using Ms natural 4000 now. It's really strange to see that flat, box keyboards are dominating. It's really good that Logitech is joining the ergonomic competition. Thank you for the review.

[@DeepfriedBaby]

I don't think they realize the reason they went out of use, because people were damaging their wrists.

[@hsjawanda]

I had the MS Natural 4000 & loved it. It's junk now (age). Apparently ergonomic keyboards don't sell well in India because I could find so few choices and they're all so overpriced. Plus, none of the seem to be backlit, really important for me since I often work in a dark-ish room with a little bit of indirect light falling on my desk.

[@robin_birdie_]

MS never produced ergonomic keyboards, you better stop lying to yourself.

[@markbrown83]

I'm currently using the Microsoft Sculpt ergo keyboard - love it. This is quite nice - I tried the MX Keys keyboard and loved everything about it - so presumably it's the same travel etc in a ergo layout... I will probably try it.

[@davidreagan2830]

Yes! I've been wanting to see more split keyboards in the market. :) I have bad RSI, I can't use a normal keyboard for more than a few minutes without pain. I've been using the Microsoft Sculpt keyboard for years. If Logitech accepts any feedback, I'd love to see a tenkeyless version. The extra distance the keypad adds to my right arms travel when switching between keyboard and mouse adds to my RSI pain. I'd also love to see a mechanical version. My Sculpt has low profile keys, and the I start noticing the travel distance being too short after long coding or gaming sessions. My ultimate dream keyboard is a version of the Kinesis Advantage 2 that lets your wrist rest at an angle instead of straight. Anyway, I hope this spurs more companies to try selling ergonomic keyboards. It's a market that needs a lot more competition.

[@royroye1643]

and a trackball in the middle with switch to change to scroll mode and of course with left right buttons.

[@michaelknight2897]

I go to PAX every year and talk to peripheral vendors and push ergo keyboards. It's 2019.

[@EKPLUK]

I need to have the keypad as an accountant so I was forced to solve that issue by learning to mouse with my left hand. The reason for this is because I had developed nervous tension in my right arm and it got so bad my right arm and hand would go completely numb. It took me maybe 3 weeks to become proficient. So my “right” click is now a left click as I made my mouse a true left handed mouse. My nervous tension has gone away with physio and has not come back since I started mousing with my left hand and using an ergonomic keyboard. I use the cheap wired Microsoft Natural Ergonomic 4000 at work and bought myself the Logitech Ergo K860 for working at home. I like them both but I think my preference is the feel of the Logitech one.

[@ThijsFTW]

@@michaelknight2897 Thank you!

[@smilebot484]

I agree. This keyboard is way too big. Most people don't need a keypad.

[@marcelsgold]

Well done video! This is my first ergo keyboard and I'm testing it out. Price to value is a negative though as is the attached wrist rest that can't be replaced.

[@arkikali5632]

This looks awesome. And God love them for putting the risers on the front instead of the back. I'd have probably gone with this if I didn't already have a Kinesis Pro. Thanks for the review!

[@tanisha2659]

I am probably one of the youngest amongst the comment section. I'm 15 turning 16 and the thing is, my wrist pain and hands were aching nonstop and due to the lockdown, it worsened to the point that I couldn't even eat properly. I bought the ergo keyboard a few days ago and it just came in two days ago and I love it. I guess I'm more of a touch typist, but I still do make mistakes because I don't really have the whole layout memorized. This is also my first ergo keyboard and I can tell you that I work at night with the lights ON so I do not find it a dealbreaker if it does not have backlighting. I found this to be expensive, but in the long term, this is a much better solution. Now I'm waiting for my ergonomic mouse. BTW the pain has lessened like crazy for me so this keyboard is a lifesaver.

[@jorgegomez-arrones4039]

Thanks Tanisha :)

[@toastymctoastinson]

im 3

[@haifutter4166]

For anyone who might read this: if you want to learn to touch type, look into mnemonics! It's possible - and easy - to memorize the qwerty layout in 7h (breaks included) + some extra hours to gain speed. I couldn't believe that would work, when my parents signed me up for a 1-day course of that type. My siblings later visited the same course and thats how we learned touch typing. One thing though: it's a soft programming of muscle memory, so if you use your past typing scheme in the first few days after the course, you completely ruin it. So be careful and patient or straight out put the course in your holidays.

[@xmaverickhunterkx]

Yeah, you can get used to anything. I don't have this, but I do have a split keyboard. At first it was weird, now it is harder going back to regular keyboards than using the split one.

[@YeahNaw]

Considering your age, I highly feel that the reasoning for your wrist ache is due to you not properly positioning your wrist when you use a keyboard. This ergo keyboard would help because the wrist rest and shape forces your hand to be positioned correctly. I'm glad the keyboard helps you solve the issue but I still recommend you looking into how to properly positioned, not only your wrist, but perhaps your desk height as well.

[@FalbertForester]

Having used my Belkin ergonomic keyboards for almost two decades, I can definitely say that they have saved me wrist and arm strain. I have to go back to standard keyboards from time to time, and after a couple of hours, I can definitely feel the strain. If you have learned to touch type, then adjusting back and forth to an ergo keyboard does indeed just take a few hours the first time, but not much time going back. All keyboards should be ergo designed! We don't need to keep pandering to mechanical movements designed to push a type bar against a paper page anymore.

[@gaber.5600]

Good quality video review if I've ever seen one. Just ordered to give it a try as my daily work keyboard. Agreed on the absence of any backlighting (usually wired keyboards), but I can live with that for daylight work just fine. For low light / gaming I'll probably just switch up. Thanks for the great review!

[@hogisan12]

Always looking at new ergonomic offerings. For the present, I am using a Logic Tech K350 keyboard ( 2nd keyboard in daily use). I have found the ergonomic style of this keyboard a more natural and comfortable feature. I was considering the Perixx keyboard as an alternative. Great video!

[@Yozimbo]

thank you for your review... as you rightly mentioned the lack of backlight is a deal breaker...

[@raploh]

Currently using Microsoft Sculpt Ergonomic Keyboard. I've been using MS ergonomic keyboards for a very long time (20+ years, since my student days). Very comfortable. All the pain in my wrists went away in a few days once I switched over to an ergo keyboard. For touch typists, I would say ergonomic keyboards (those with the split in the middle) all the way. Worth (almost) every penny.

[@animandrews]

This one looks great! I have the Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 (old...) that still works like a charm, tried to switch to the much recent Microsoft Sculpt Ergonomic Keyboard but didn't like the separated numbers pad and the short travel keys. I think I'll keep my current one for a while.

[@gregbrowne4791]

I have used the wired Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 since about 2004 or 2005. As a full-time programmer it was a lifesaver on my wrists. Never had a problem with carpal tunnel. It's kind of clunky looking compared to today's fancy ergonomic keyboards, but it is a total workhorse and only about $30-40 on Amazon. In fact, I am still using the same physical keyboard. That's how sturdy it is.

[@jaelee1368]

Very nice review, though I wish a little more discussion about how the keys feel and how loud they are in an office environment would've been nice. I've been using Microsoft ergonomic keyboards for years, starting with the Microsoft Natural Keyboard 4000. I'm currently using the Microsoft Sculpt keyboard, which is definitely a love/hate relationship (love the wireless connectivity, hate the smaller Function (F) keys on the top row). I would never go back to standard keyboards, since I'm always in front of a computer coding. The new Logitech K860 keyboard looks great! I'm going to pick it up and see how it compares with the Microsoft Sculpt. I'm already using the Logitech MX Master 3 mouse, so this keyboard will pair nicely with it and save a USB port.

[@egelev]

This is a great review. I didn't know about this keyboard but it looks like something I would love to test. I'm a full-time software developer and I spend most of my day using a keyboard and a mouse. A couple of years ago I tried an ergonomic keyboard and I'm not switching back. I love the natural position of my wrists, no more strain or pain on my hands. My favorite is the MS Sculpt Ergonomic. I just love this one. The best in my opinion. I also bought its predecessor MS Natural 4000 because it is cheaper (wired) and I needed a second one. It's pretty good as well. And its successor MS Surface Ergonomic - fancy design but less comfort. I believe a Numpad section is pretty useless but otherwise, this Logitech looks amazing.

[@blahorgaslisk7763]

As someone who used the original Natural Keyboard from Microsoft for something like seven years I have to say I thoroughly recommend people to try an ergonomic keyboard. It might not be for you, but you won't know unless you try one. One thing I found actually helped me improve my typing was the split nature of the keyboard. I never got any training in typing so was just shy of "hunt and peck" when I first started using the Natural Keyboard. The split forces you to use the correct hand when typing. For instance there is no way you can get away with using your left hand to type an "h" on a split keyboard. At the same time this can be a major disadvantage if you try to game on one. I'm not saying you can't game on a ergo keyboard, just that it can be less than optimal for gaming. Ergo keyboards seem to fall into two major categories. On one hand you have reasonably priced keyboards such as the Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard and on the other hand you have expensive keyboards where there doesn't seem to be a limit to how much they can cost. There are also some very exotic looking ergonomic keyboards where they throw away the old QWERTY standard and create a layout they think is more logical. The more exotic the keyboard is the harder it will be to adapt to. Doesn't mean they are bad, just that it require more of an investment in the form of retraining. Then there are the type of keys used. Most ergo keyboards are using membrane switches, and are definitely not N-Key rollover capable. And that's one more point against using them for gaming. There are however some mechanical version though they tend to cost an arm and a leg. And I have no idea if there are any N-Key rollover capable ergo keyboards out there...

[@frydog1ea]

Thanks for the review Eber. I have used a Microsoft Natural Keyboard Elite since 1999... I would love to switch to this keyboard or the Microsoft Sculpt...but my job requires everything to be wired. Though, I might pick this one up for home if it works well with Android phones and Chromebooks

[@DrYve36]

bought one of these off of ebay - this week nearly new for an amazing price. I am a touch typist and have been on it since it arrived today. LOVE IT. watched your video after the purchase but looks like other than the price it was a thumbs up for you -- as it is for me. the led missing is not an issue - as i touch type and rarely look at the key board i paid about 75% 'less than the full price so pretty good investment from my prospective. most importantly my wrists have never felt better.

[@652T4V0]

This video is on point and I'm looking foward to have ergonomic keyboard and mouse! Could you review the Miscrosoft sculpt ergonomic mouse and keyboard combo?

[@jordanalejandrocorona6247]

I don't know about the mouse, but I've been using the keyboard since October 2015, it's awesome, the palmrest shows where I put my palms (a little natural oil and dimples) but nothing serious. the keys feel nice and they're not noisy. My only complains are that I'd rather the bigger-squarish Enter key (it is exactly as the one on this video) and there isn't any indicator for the Caps Lock key I really love it.

[@roilev]

Same here, 4+ years, my second sculpt keyboard now. The mouse was fine but not the greatest microsoft mouse by any means. I switched to Logitech Ergonomic trackball and it is much better for the wrist.

[@Darkman03]

These are really great boards, but I'd love to see the MX Mechanical come in a layout like this, or a TKL + Backlight. The MX Keys do last a long time, albeit not as long as the k860. Backlights help when you are working in the early morning or late at night with lights off or dimmed, even as a touch typist. Ditching the numpad or including it as a split option would further increase ergonomics for those that don't need it regularly.

[@nilayanaik]

Great and thoughtful review. One item that is missing in the review is keystrokes noise factor.

[@arpad9]

Yes! I've been using the MS Surface Pro and before that the MS Sculpt ergonomic. For reasons I can't understand, Logitech abandoned the ergonomic keyboard after that awful "Curve," but I used to like them. I've been typing on ergo keyboards for about 15 years and can't use anything else. It was onset carpal tunnel that forced me off of a flat keyboard and I haven't looked back. Really glad to see this.

[@Harvester88]

I have the Surface Ergonomic one with the fabric finish, I really like it.

[@MatthewLewisology101]

Nice! I have used the entry level Microsoft split keyboard. Great but loud and wears out fast. Now I use the Logitech Wave which is really a good price but I'm getting impingement issues after months of wfh, so I might bump up to this K860...

[@thegrantclandotorg]

I love my Kinesis Freestyle Edge and Kinesis Freestyle Blue. I use the Freestyle Blue at work where not having the back light is not really an issue, but I love the Freestyle Edge at home where i can use it in a dark room without any issues. I use both keyboards at shoulder width apart, which is what I really love about these keyboards. It really helped with dealing with shoulder and elbow pain. I have been using the Freestyle Blue for about 4 years now and I still love it. I have found I have a little issue with switch from my laptop keyboard to the Freestyles, but they are similar enough it is not much of an issue.

[@jonathandegard]

Great video. Thanks for your analyse

[@evisiblemarketing7153]

Thanks. This was actually helpful! I use the Logitech K350 Wave Keyboard & M510 mouse, which comes as a set for around $80 US if I recall correctly. But it's time to upgrade my computer, and this keyboard/mouse is nearly 10 years old now. The K350 is comfortable, but as I get older, I think the split design and the raised center will lessen fatigue. Before the Wave, I used an old Microsoft ergonomic, split keyboard for six or eight years, so the layout is familiar. This K860 sounds perfect, as my use case is is a static desk in a well-lit space. The letters and top row numbers are programmed into my brain. But the function keys and the number keyboard requires looking lol.

[@WarriorsPhoto]

I love Logitech gear and am glad to see them selling something like this. Thank you Ebert. I will be going to a store and trying this keyboard for my own typing experience. (:

[@DarrenKrusi]

They've sold products like this for years, I'm still waiting for an update to my beloved MK550 Wave. Having bought a G915 TKL, I love it but I would still love an updated Wave.

[@WarriorsPhoto]

@@DarrenKrusi Good to know. I can look at the used market as well, thank you.

[@DarrenKrusi]

@@WarriorsPhoto You should still be able to buy the Wave in retail stores. There's a Comfort keyboard which just has opposite sides of the keyboard sloping but that's all it does. I will say that the Mouse that comes with the Wave combo is not that great, it's rear heavy and you feel it when picking it up.

[@WarriorsPhoto]

@@DarrenKrusi I am looking for a nice keyboard for when mine goes out. Whenever that'll be. Thank you for the input. BTW, any mechanical keyboards you know of that are Mac specific?

[@tomato3008]

Nice review...i really like a split keyboard, especially one from Logi with UNIVERSAL receiver.

[@RyanScanlan101]

Just got this keyboard today, so naturally that's when I decided to look up a video on it. Good video! And thanks for the point about sit/stand desks. I actually have one from UpLift, it's great with a little button at the bottom right that engages the hydraulics to lift/sink it.

[@RyanScanlan101]

Should also add, I came from a Microsoft wireless ergo (whatever it's called) before that, and a Microsoft wired ergo before THAT.

[@AlessandroSchiassi]

I'm on my second Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 in 14 years. Still love it, but I want to switch to a Kinesis Advantage2 very soon!

[@FugalBaboon]

I use the Microsoft Sculpt ergonomic keyboard. I love it. I had some wrist pain from typing on a Macbook for my software development job and the ergonomic keyboard made such a positive impact.

[@frankhooper7871]

I'm so glad I learned to touch-type...way back in the mid '60s! (Long before the advent of personal computers LOL). I have used ergonomic keyboards and do like them, although my current keyboard is a standard one.

[@terriebirdsong7775]

My all-time favorite keyboard was the Logitech Comfort Duo. It was wireless and had the big chunky keys that made all those wonderful noises every time you hit a button. I had that thing for close to a decade before it finally died. I'd rubbed the letters off of the buttons lol, but still used it without issue as I'm a touch typist. I've been using the Sculpt by Microsoft and ended up having to purchase 2 of those as they don't seem to last very long. I almost cried when I saw that Logitech was making this one! I was soooooo excited! I freaking love this one. I love that it still has the number pad on it for when I'm working in accounting. The wrist wrest is comfortable and can be wiped for easy cleanup. The buttons are responsive too. It's just a really, really great keyboard.

[@kristianschlosser7108]

Concerning the desks you are inquiring about. I stumbled upon an older video from Jay about his choice in standing desk - which was the Autonomous SmartDesk. I immediately thought "oh he is a high profile tech youtuber so it'll probably cost a liver and a kidney", but the pricing is insanely reasonable and I am really considering getting a DIY kit myself. That is another great feature from this brand - you can use whatever tabletop you want with their frame.

[@Boopop1024]

I love PC gaming but I've never bothered with mechanical keyboards. Currently on a MS Sculpt, and I love it! Had an MS Ergonomic 4000 before that.

[@mrcraggle]

Legit same. I had my 4000 for years. I even busted the space bar but still kept it for years and last year bought the Sculpt which was on sale.

[@Adrian-jn9ov]

There are also ergonomic split mechanical keyboards. You can adjust the height at each corner and don't have the angle fixed.

[@CockatooDude]

@@Adrian-jn9ov They cost so much money though.

[@katzicael]

When I was working in a job where I spent all day at a keyboard - I was rocking a Microsoft Ergonomic 4000. Also used it for gaming (MMO nothing heavy).

[@JareTerran]

FUCK YES I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR AN ERGONOMIC KEYBOARD LIKE THE SCULPT FOR YEARS! The palm rest lift is something i can't live without.

[@surferdude4487]

The ergonomics and quality of this keyboard are tough to beat. You should be aware, however, that they put the 6 key on the left side of the split. I believe that Microsoft made the same mistake with their ergo keyboard.

[@beanut.putter]

@@surferdude4487 That is sooo fricking annoying.

[@surferdude4487]

@@beanut.putter Since the time I posted that reply, I've done plenty of research on the topic. Some European nations actually teach touch typing to strike the 6 key with the left hand. Some keyboard designers put the 6 on the left because they think it looks better. But I can't see because I'm blind, so I don't really care what the keyboard looks like. And I learned to touch-type in Canada so I want to hit that 6 key with my right hand. Besides, it's a long reach to get there with my left. So, yes, I would be a lot happier if they would put the 6 on the right side of the split or put one on both sides of the split. Of course, I could use the number pad, but since I use that for navigating with my screen reader, I would have to switch it back and forth and keep track of which mode it is in because I can't see the indicator LED.

[@trevorjerue8312]

Nice review. I think I would like this keyboard. My daily driver is the Kinesis Advantage2 which I can't recommend enough, even though it's twice the price of this for a refurbished model. I really like the Microsoft Sculpt, tenkeyless and a similar tenting angle in the middle. They're also about $50 on eBay, but would be concerned about resale/return if you didn't like it. I also agree that while LED back lighting is not necessary, it sure does look nice. Disappointing at the price point of $130, wouldn't be worth complaining about if this were under $100.

[@agreatd]

Hows button press volume compared to Surface Ergonomic Keyboard? Or any info on typing volume at all?

[@user-be3mk6cg4c]

OLKB Preonic Ortholinear? I've been using that and its been enjoyable and apparently more "ergonomic" Great video as always!

[@jaredthegamer]

I'm already using the Microsoft Sculpt keyboard at work and I love it. Best keyboard I've used until now. I ordered the Logitech Ergo K860 for my home office, it should be coming today, and I'm excited to try it. I decided to try the Logitech because it's designed to work with Mac and PC and I use both at home

[@shannonnechamkin4342]

A great sit stand desk is the Autonomous desk. I’ve used it for two years so far and love it.

[@rossharper1983]

I used to have a Microsoft ergo keyboard years ago, like 10 or so years ago. It was amazing to type fast on and I used it for gaming. This is back before everything had to have the word "gaming" in front of it. When I switched back to a standard layout I couldn't type for a month.

[@velociroger]

I use a split ergo mechanical keyboard called a Lily58. I'm a touch typist, so it only took about an hour to get used to the new layout. It's QMK programmable so if I didn't like where a key was, I could change it. Absolutely recommended, but it could be difficult for people who don't type "properly"

[@Zacharuni]

Typing on my Microsoft Sculpt. Happy to report that this is everything I'd want in a successor. LED backlighting is unnecessary for me, as touch typing is the goal with these. Having that 10-key built in will be nice, the Sculpt has one as a separate device which has never felt convenient. Being able to switch from three devices right from the keyboard is the killer feature. Definitely waiting for a sale on one of these.

[@JosiahNunemaker]

Also typing on the MS Sculpt. My biggest complaints are that the switches under the function keys are terrible, and there's a slider switch to switch between the fn keys and the shortcuts instead of the usual button.

[@SimonChango]

I disagree with the 10key being built in. The sculpt is already large for a TKL, as well as this ergo. I like neutral spacing of my arms for ergonomics. With this, you're forced into angling your arms outward if you are using both mouse and keyboard. I often use the wireless 10 key to the right of my mouse actually. And for the truly adventurous, you could place it at the left side to be used with your left hand instead. If I ever get into more keyboard heavy work I could see myself using this, but not currently. This will probably great for programmers and excel gurus that know their hotkeys.

[@roilev]

The numpad stays nice in the space between the two parts, in front of the keyboard. I rarely use it anyway, only for entering large numbers

[@GWM90]

The Sculpt has done well for me in general. I agree with the switches under the function keys. In the beginning I experienced a few weird issues that these keys would get stuck as well. I eventually stopped using these keys. And it seems the device is a bit sensitive for interference. Especially positioning my OnePlus in the center of the palm rest keystrokes aren't registered. All minor details though...

[@michaelknight2897]

I thinks it's good for office and everyday use but not for gaming. I have one in my office and there are hicups now and then due to the wireless.

[@JonasMKarlsson]

Have been using the Logitech Ergonomic combo set in the late 1990's then switched to Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 at home...and still using it today. At work using a Kinesis Freestyle2 VIP3. Love them all, would not go back to normal keyboard...and oh...I'm thinking of upgrading my existing keyboard at home

[@ryanwagenleitner2155]

I use a Kinesis Freestyle Pro - ergonomic, split keyboard with Cherry MX Brown key switches. Love it, and recommend that you try it out. I would consider this Logitech as a great wireless ergonomic option, as I had a Microsoft Sculpt and did not care for the key layout and found that it did not always record a key press.

[@TheKamigautigamer]

I would love to see a review on the MX Ergo or another ergonomic mouse, this type of device make a great difference to healthy

[@ARVash]

I use the MX ergo, I find the tilt to be worth the cost compared to the Logitech M570. The ball is a little more firmly secured in the socket which actually I don't prefer because it makes it a little harder to clean, but overall I still prefer the mx ergo. The resolution is quite tight, and there's a precision mode button. It works nicely with both bluetooth and the "unifying receiver" . I have won games of apex legends and starcraft 2 using it, so you can still game with it. I don't have an ergo keyboard but I do have an ergo mouse, and part of that is all the motion that goes into a mouse. I was developing carpal tunnel and I have done some stretches to help mitigate and manage it and that has been helpful but I do see a trackball mouse such as the MX ergo as a good way to constructively respond to it. Personally I also enjoy carrying the MX Ergo with me to use with my laptop, you will get some funny looks but it is really nice having a full desk experience without requiring a full desk worth of space (the mouse doesn't have to move). For me my strategy of reducing travel distance has been helpful in managing my symptoms, obviously your mileage may vary. I do find that the angle of the mx ergo is a substantial improvement to the m570, which I still think is a good choice to affordably cut back on repetitive stress. If you can afford it get the mx ergo, if you can't then try the m570. Either one will be a marked improvement over a traditional mouse in my experience and opinion.

[@kalmtraveler]

I haven't tried this one, but over the years I tried a few ergo designs and really love the positioning with the MS Ergo 4000, but have found that despite the worse wrist positioning with traditional keyboards, the overall experience is still better for me with a 'normal' clicky mechanical keyboard than with a membrane ergo. If someone would copy the MS Ergo 4000 layout but make it clicky mechanical I could die a happy typist.

[@johnhall7476]

I have tried several ergonomic keyboards. By far, the best I have ever used is the Datadesk SmartBoard, which has Alps keyswitches. I bought mine back in 2003 and still use it today, but sadly, they are not made anymore (the website is still up, though). It has a split layout that fans out to variable sized keycaps, so it is easy for your fingers (especially the pinkies) to reach the keys and hit them accurately. They also moved the arrow keys (similar to 65% keyboards) and the numpad close to the rest of the keyboard, so switching to the mouse requires less travel. The X-Bows keyboard has a similar split fanning layout, but it doesn't have that nice raised curve, as well as a few other shortcomings. The new model looks promising, and I plan to try it out once it becomes available.

[@noahify9349]

For a standing desk I'd recommend a Vivo, they have any number of different styles and my electric one has been running great for a while.

[@user-di7tg1bz7g]

I am using MS Sculpt. Such shape really saved my hands from pain. I hate only a couple of things in my kb - awful Fn keys (they are not scissor-switch) and bad location of Home/End/PgUp/PgDown. I would try K860 ergo, but the price...

[@Phatbeater]

Im using the ergotravel split keyboard with kailh box crystals and matt3o mt3 keycaps. So far I love it and it really helps with my shoulder and wrist pain.

[@4eric16]

I switched to a corsair k68 mx red mechanical keyboard last year from the microsoft ergo 3500 keyboard I've been using for 10 years for normal work/gaming use. Funny thing is I miss it so much bc my wrists hurt now after gaming for a few hours and I honestly don't notice a diff when it comes to gaming. I think thats why I've been searching for a more comfortable wrist rest to replace the plastic one corsair gives you to maybe alleviate some of the pain.

[@PanduPoluan]

Thanks for the honest review! I myself use a much older Logitech Wave Wireless ergonomic keyboard for my daily driver. It's big and also with a non-detachable palm rest, runs on two AA batteries... or AAA batteries? I forgot, because I only have to change them after 2+ years. It's VERY comfortable for me, especially since I learnt to touch type on typewriters, so I press keys with quite a bit of force, and the Wave not only has good travel but its membranes properly dampen the keypresses instead of immediately bottoming out. How much do I love the Logitech Wave? Well, considering that it has been used _heavily_ for 10 years, so much so that 4 or 5 keys have totally lost their lettering... VERY much. HOWEVER... just like you said, $129 is... really pricey. I bought my Wave Wireless for about $70. So, although I definitely _want_ to own this new keyboard, I likely won't buy it. Not unless I get a deep discount.

[@masterfork]

As a rehabilitation physician, I've found various studies on the topic of sit/stand desks. They definitely change behaviors but it is hard to say if they change outcomes. The most important aspect to remember is changing positions as you do not want to be in any one position for an extended period. Along those lines, I would recommend a standing desk that has an option to automatically rise and lower after X minutes. Regarding this keyboard - Logitech definitely made a lot of ergonomically-conscious decisions. Raising the palm side rather than the back of the keyboard (which actually puts more pressure on the carpal tunnel) was a great idea.

[@blueridge8992]

Ergo boards are definitely the way to go for office workers but models like this with very shallow keys will cause repetitive stress injuries. Longer key travel boards are a better choice because they give your joints a larger area under stress to diffuse the overall friction load. The Logitech K350 and MK550, Microsoft Ergonomic Keyboard and Natural Keyboard, and the Perixx Periboard 512 are great affordable options. I used a K350 at work for 8 years before building my own mechanical split board and it’s still working great on my basement workbench today so it’s safe to say that board is a great value. Extremely comfortable too, especially the padded wrist rest. If you have the money to spend and want truly the most healthy option then you really need a split keyboard that lets you adjust the angle of the two halves (horizontally and vertically) to fit your particular hands and wrists. Mistel and Kinesis offer quite a few high quality options for under $175 and you can go up from there to boards like the Matias Ergo Pro, Ergodox, Dactyl, Keyboardio Model 01, and TGM Alice clones to really get the best of the best in the $200-400 range. The newly released Mistel D770 is a fantastic value at $140. I have one with Cherry silent switches being delivered on Friday and I can’t wait. For anyone that wants to learn more, allthingsergo is a great website to read reviews on ergonomic keyboards as well as other ergo products.

[@ray0fh0pe]

It was live at first sight for me for this ergo keyboard and vertical mouse from Logitech. I have hand pain-issues hence I use these

[@craigprall9636]

I used to be a major fan of the Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000. At $45-50 (sometimes $25-30 on sale), it's got a decent feel with full-travel keys. No backlighting though, which is fine if you are a touch typist. However, I've had several of these. (I wear out the left shift and left control keys pretty often from gaming. The space bar started missing presses in another one.) In all of them, the lettering on the keycaps wears off fairly quickly. Mostly the WASD keys (again from gaming), but others as well. I've recently started using the Microsoft Ergonomic Keyboard (LXM-00001), which also goes for about $45. I get the feeling this is the replacement for the Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000, but that's just the feeling as I noticed it harder to get the older model.

[@AlanIsAkira]

I use an Uplift desk at work and personally, I found them fantastic.

[@UndefinedThing]

Build a TGR Alice! Would love to some some custom keyboard videos from you guys!

[@packrat2k7]

I use a Logitech Wave K350. Like the name implies it's got a wave shape that's much gentler than the Ergo K860 and the keys aren't split. Definitely my most favourite keyboard. A close contender is/was the original Microsoft Natural keyboard. I loved typing on that thing...

[@JorgePille]

The only trouble I'm having is the "6" key being on the left side. I learned to type "6" with my right index finger. Other than that, this is potentially replacing my MX Keys (which I actually just got, lol). The ERGO K860 is a really nice keyboard! As for lacking backlighting, it's disappointing, but I really don't need it. I always have a desk lamp and I'm a touch typist.

[@collegestuff9595]

Great review!!! Thanks!!!

[@DenshiMoe]

My first ergonomic keyboard was the Microsoft Natural Multimedia Keyboard and it was one of my favorite keyboards until it broke and I went back to using normal keyboards again. That is, until the Microsoft Sculpt Ergonomic Keyboard was released a few years ago! I still use that keyboard in the office but it is getting old and I think this would be a good replacement for that.

[@immanueljungheim8512]

Went from the Microsoft Sculpt to a custom built mechanical keyboard (KBD75v2). As of right now I do not miss the split nature of the MS sculpt that much but I know that my next mechanical keyboard is going to be a split one like the Alice or one of the cheaper clones. So split ergonomic kb is the best of both worlds IMO. ^^

[@tiagoney]

Really good video! How about comparing this keyboard to the Microsoft Ergonomic Surface, the Microsoft Scuplt and other ergonomic ones? That would be awesome for the general public interested in buying a good ergonomic keyboard!

[@AaronSchmidt52]

May want to take a look at the KINESIS Freestyle Edge. I use one daily at home and work. Love that you can adjust the spacing between the two halves. As I have rather broad shoulders. Yes, it is more than money the Logitech Ergo K860, but it has mechanical switches and I feel it is worth the price.

[@heeerrresjonny]

As several others have said, the Microsoft "Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000" is an awesome, much cheaper alternative to this. It's not wireless, but it has some macro keys and media keys and the same basic shape as this Logitech one. I actually game on mine at home and it 100% cured my carpal tunnel/RSI issues in my left wrist.

[@OswaldoJuarez]

Thank you so much for your review... Ive just bought the keyboard... Would you know whats the best option for saving battery? Either bluetooth or the USB included in the keyboard?

[@KevKevAllen]

I’m a touch typist who types basically all day for work. I never look at the keyboard except if I need to use a key that I rarely use (like the F row keys) so for me the backlighting is not an issue at all. I don’t use the number row, I only use the number pad which I also use without looking. No backlight, no problem.

[@stefanburemo9661]

I had a keyboard made by Microsoft back in the in the late 90's. Loved it and was great when writing alot. Already had surgery to both wrists due to carpel tunnel syndrome. Should get a split one again.

[@teamvigod]

If it had backlighting I would preorder it right now. Have the Logitech MX Keys now and love it but came from a logitech keyboard on a PC (now using imac). I work in darker environment so need backlit keys. If Logitech adds backlighting and recharging like MX keys keyboard consider it sold! Let's hope they do

[@ThatBeardedVeteran]

I have the sit stand desk from Titan Fitness. Best bang for the buck I have found. I have also used the Microsoft split wave and have had no issues over the past 7 years

[@wilson5434]

great video + question: what brand are your glasses? like to buy new ones and I like the ones you're wearing

[@saseto66]

me too :( They look great

[@pbhogan]

You should look at the Kinesis Freestyle Edge. It's a split gaming keyboard with mechanical keys, RGB and macros. It's by far the best off-the-shelf ergonomic keyboard I've tried (and I've tried several to get over my RSI issues).

[@doctorgears9358]

because i game after I work, I use an ergo split keyboard + a trackball mouse for work while a regular keyboard + mouse for gaming. I think it helps a lot as it mixes things up. No longer am I doing the exact same motions all day, every day.

[@demusent1078]

I switched to the Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 v1.0 about 6 months ago and actually purchased a second backup as the first use I was already typing faster and more comfortable than I was on any other keyboard. I even switched with a coworker for a different one at work. I am not a perfect touch keyboardist by any means but I would like a backlight. I also added a vertical mouse that felt just as comfortable (it is from ANKER) I use at work and home. My only negative is that my hands are large and I would like to see larger key caps for each letter and I understand I am in the minority here. (FYI=Wrists are over 8" around and glove six is 2XL). When I sub at other locations I get stuck ith a normal keyboard and hate them. Keep up the great work and about time a "gamer" looks at comfort over expectations! :)

[@ezalddenalmaghout]

Great video my friend. Thanks!

[@fardinzaman6631]

Next: Gaming ergo keyboard!

[@spidermain]

Tell him to review the $2000 TGR Alice

[@fardinzaman6631]

@@spidermain $2000 for keyboard... Sorry! I like membrane 😏

[@MuhammadIlhamuodd254512]

G edition

[@spidermain]

@@fardinzaman6631 Alice clones cost 300 so it's probably worth it for him.

[@fardinzaman6631]

@@spidermain yup!

[@Nanarchy_2k7]

I'm still using my logitech comfort ergo keyboard. 15 some odd years now. Tried the microsoft sculpt for a while, but the keys gave out on me. About time they put out a replacement. :D

[@eriknelson5585]

For sit stand desks I would suggest looking at autonmous ai desks. Their sit stand desks start around 300 for around 36in and they offer real wood options. I purchased a 79in desk dual motor for 750$ with a walnut top!

[@ECrespo175]

Try the uplift desk, it's pretty good for the price. Bought a standing desk over the holiday season.

[@MaheerKibria]

Mike is right. I have a g613 and I thought I would care about the lack of backlighting. I actually complained about it when I was buying it. But then after using it, I realized is that I never really looked at my keyboard while typing. As for price, I think it's reasonable. But I dropped 70$ for a trackpad that supported windows 10 precision drivers, which is surprisingly hard to do for some reason. So I have a mouse and a trackpad at my desk so I can just use the trackpad for gestures while working.

[@AndrasEliassen]

Thanks, great review, even years later. Is there some alternative ergo-keyboard that has backlighting or even with RGB Led lighting, that is similar to this one?

[@nickdixon3536]

Good video. You suggested that we skip this model, but what does Hardware Canuks recommend? Also a video request- keyboard and mouse for different professions- creatives, programmers,/ typist gamers, old people etc

[@ACaliangel91]

You probably already got a standing desk but I highly recommend pneumatic standing desks (spring adjustable). I have enough strength to help the desk move up if necessary and I prefer that it doesn’t have a cable. It’s also quick or quicker at adjusting than an electric. I have chronic pain and am picky with my height adjustment and it only takes me a second to find my right desk height

[@Jay-pj4sq]

With you covering the tech and peripherals and Dmitry covering the cases mostly, I think Mike should be covering something he likes, as he will speak about them more passionaltely.

[@CyclingMikey]

I'm a touch typist, and I generally have little trouble adapting to different keyboards, even the particularly unusual ones like the Microsoft Mobile keyboard. I've extensive typing experience on a Microsoft ergonomic keyboard. They are very nice, but I still prefer my mechanical keyboards.

[@hhdeng]

working in IT and typing a lot is part of the job i have ergo keyboard on my work desk.. at home i have mech kb but i dont nearly type as much on that vs at work... ergo kb is super comfortable if you type for long period of time

[@manrajghuman803]

you guys should review the Ergodox EZ and the Dygma Raise!! they're both mechanical ergo boards with hot-swap switches

[@diegomireles]

After having like seven mechanical keyboards, from mx blues, to browns to reds and topres; I can say that my favorite keyboard is CM Novatouch (topre) with PBT keycaps and POK3R compact keyboard.

[@mururoa7024]

My company equipped us with Steelcase "Migration" electric height adjustable desks with a natural wood finish. Looks and works great.