Logitech Ergo K860 Review - My First Ergonomic Keyboard!

[@mikeshift225]

I must be old. When I was in school we had to take a mandatory "keyboarding" class. Looking back, I'm glad I did. I can't imagine what it's like to sit down in front of a keyboard and not know where the keys are!

[@SirT0M1]

I must be older. When I was in high school we took a "typing" class using mechanical typewriters. AAA BBB CCC..... I had never heard of the term "keyboarding" at that time. LOL!!

[@nilsemmenegger7770]

I'm a youngster who sadly never properly learned to type so I just use basically 4 of my fingers flying all over the place. My typing speed isn't bad (85WPM) but I'm scared of repetitive strain injuries. I figured it'd be pretty hard to relearn how to type but not much harder if I just learned an entirely new keyboard layout so I decided to learn Dvorak. Anyway, I'm disappointed it isn't a mandatory course (or a course at all in my case) anymore. I could've saved myself a lot of time and effort that way.

[@roilev]

I had this annoying colleague at work that loved coming to my desk and trying stuff at my PC. I bought 10keyless cherry brown mechanical switches keyboard, with no markings on the keys! This keyboard alone stopped him annoying me!

[@roilev]

In another office we had this april fool where they changed the keys on the keyboards. The caps were easy to remove and shuffle. After 3 months one colleague noticed that I still haven't switched back my keys -- I haven't noticed it at all

[@mikeshift225]

@@SirT0M1 It's all the same. Kind of like how "gym class" has turned into "Physical Education. I had to sit at the keyboard with a piece of paper over my fingers to learn how to type. AAA BBB CCC. haha

[@amadeusb4]

Battery life is INSANE! Now you know why there's no back lighting. This has been my work keyboard for the past year and it has helped my hands out even though I've had a busy year. Totally recommended. $130 is nothing compared to going through carpal tunnel release surgery. Take care of yourself.

[@engelsseele2]

Honestly logitech has some of the best mice and keyboards that excell at battery life!

[@zmangormz]

but it is membrane for that price

[@Ivlodded]

@@zmangormz Its scissor switch - in my opinion the best switch there is. Mechanical is just a hype.

[@kilgoretrout321]

Touch typing is something you can learn from a library book. I found a typewriter-based book at my library and went through it for a few weeks. My typing immediately improved, and it really clicked once I had to do a lot of writing for online classes. It IS about muscle memory, and some key movements such as using your left index finger for "B" are initially awkward, yet it's totally worth it. Especially if you know keyboard shortcuts for your operating system, your productivity improves DRAMATICALLY. It's not just that you don't need to look at your fingers, it's that you hardly need to use your mouse! You probably have no idea, but your keyboard can pretty much do it all, and it's a fun feeling. If I were you, I'd make touch typing a goal and get started on it today. Especially if enjoy life hacks or you fancy yourself a computer person, a gamer, or you work in an office. OMG, office people should HAVE TO learn touch typing, if just to make their life way EASIER. Anyway, best of luck.

[@Ivlodded]

Lately im on a self development streak and am learning typing the "proper" way this time after all these years typing with 2 fingers each hand. Thats why I bought the Microsoft sculpt wireless for 30 bucks used!

[@coldbrew6104]

5:33 The wrist rest actually is detachable, you unscrew it from the back. All we'd need is Logitech to sell the wrist rest separately as a piece that you can swap out. :)

[@PetarStamenkovic]

I've been using ergonomic keyboard from almost the start, from 1995 with the first Microsoft natural keyboard. I'm using Ms natural 4000 now. It's really strange to see that flat, box keyboards are dominating. It's really good that Logitech is joining the ergonomic competition. Thank you for the review.

[@DeepfriedBaby]

I don't think they realize the reason they went out of use, because people were damaging their wrists.

[@hsjawanda]

I had the MS Natural 4000 & loved it. It's junk now (age). Apparently ergonomic keyboards don't sell well in India because I could find so few choices and they're all so overpriced. Plus, none of the seem to be backlit, really important for me since I often work in a dark-ish room with a little bit of indirect light falling on my desk.

[@robin_birdie_]

MS never produced ergonomic keyboards, you better stop lying to yourself.

[@BookClubDisaster]

@@DeepfriedBaby what went out of style? Mechanical keyboards?

[@tanisha2659]

I am probably one of the youngest amongst the comment section. I'm 15 turning 16 and the thing is, my wrist pain and hands were aching nonstop and due to the lockdown, it worsened to the point that I couldn't even eat properly. I bought the ergo keyboard a few days ago and it just came in two days ago and I love it. I guess I'm more of a touch typist, but I still do make mistakes because I don't really have the whole layout memorized. This is also my first ergo keyboard and I can tell you that I work at night with the lights ON so I do not find it a dealbreaker if it does not have backlighting. I found this to be expensive, but in the long term, this is a much better solution. Now I'm waiting for my ergonomic mouse. BTW the pain has lessened like crazy for me so this keyboard is a lifesaver.

[@jorgegomez-arrones4039]

Thanks Tanisha :)

[@toastymctoastinson]

im 3

[@haifutter4166]

For anyone who might read this: if you want to learn to touch type, look into mnemonics! It's possible - and easy - to memorize the qwerty layout in 7h (breaks included) + some extra hours to gain speed. I couldn't believe that would work, when my parents signed me up for a 1-day course of that type. My siblings later visited the same course and thats how we learned touch typing. One thing though: it's a soft programming of muscle memory, so if you use your past typing scheme in the first few days after the course, you completely ruin it. So be careful and patient or straight out put the course in your holidays.

[@xmaverickhunterkx]

Yeah, you can get used to anything. I don't have this, but I do have a split keyboard. At first it was weird, now it is harder going back to regular keyboards than using the split one.

[@YeahNaw]

Considering your age, I highly feel that the reasoning for your wrist ache is due to you not properly positioning your wrist when you use a keyboard. This ergo keyboard would help because the wrist rest and shape forces your hand to be positioned correctly. I'm glad the keyboard helps you solve the issue but I still recommend you looking into how to properly positioned, not only your wrist, but perhaps your desk height as well.

[@FalbertForester]

Having used my Belkin ergonomic keyboards for almost two decades, I can definitely say that they have saved me wrist and arm strain. I have to go back to standard keyboards from time to time, and after a couple of hours, I can definitely feel the strain. If you have learned to touch type, then adjusting back and forth to an ergo keyboard does indeed just take a few hours the first time, but not much time going back. All keyboards should be ergo designed! We don't need to keep pandering to mechanical movements designed to push a type bar against a paper page anymore.

[@masterfork]

As a rehabilitation physician, I've found various studies on the topic of sit/stand desks. They definitely change behaviors but it is hard to say if they change outcomes. The most important aspect to remember is changing positions as you do not want to be in any one position for an extended period. Along those lines, I would recommend a standing desk that has an option to automatically rise and lower after X minutes. Regarding this keyboard - Logitech definitely made a lot of ergonomically-conscious decisions. Raising the palm side rather than the back of the keyboard (which actually puts more pressure on the carpal tunnel) was a great idea.

[@davidreagan2830]

Yes! I've been wanting to see more split keyboards in the market. :) I have bad RSI, I can't use a normal keyboard for more than a few minutes without pain. I've been using the Microsoft Sculpt keyboard for years. If Logitech accepts any feedback, I'd love to see a tenkeyless version. The extra distance the keypad adds to my right arms travel when switching between keyboard and mouse adds to my RSI pain. I'd also love to see a mechanical version. My Sculpt has low profile keys, and the I start noticing the travel distance being too short after long coding or gaming sessions. My ultimate dream keyboard is a version of the Kinesis Advantage 2 that lets your wrist rest at an angle instead of straight. Anyway, I hope this spurs more companies to try selling ergonomic keyboards. It's a market that needs a lot more competition.

[@royroye1643]

and a trackball in the middle with switch to change to scroll mode and of course with left right buttons.

[@michaelknight2897]

I go to PAX every year and talk to peripheral vendors and push ergo keyboards. It's 2019.

[@EKPLUK]

I need to have the keypad as an accountant so I was forced to solve that issue by learning to mouse with my left hand. The reason for this is because I had developed nervous tension in my right arm and it got so bad my right arm and hand would go completely numb. It took me maybe 3 weeks to become proficient. So my “right” click is now a left click as I made my mouse a true left handed mouse. My nervous tension has gone away with physio and has not come back since I started mousing with my left hand and using an ergonomic keyboard. I use the cheap wired Microsoft Natural Ergonomic 4000 at work and bought myself the Logitech Ergo K860 for working at home. I like them both but I think my preference is the feel of the Logitech one.

[@ThijsFTW]

@@michaelknight2897 Thank you!

[@smilebot484]

I agree. This keyboard is way too big. Most people don't need a keypad.

[@blahorgaslisk7763]

As someone who used the original Natural Keyboard from Microsoft for something like seven years I have to say I thoroughly recommend people to try an ergonomic keyboard. It might not be for you, but you won't know unless you try one. One thing I found actually helped me improve my typing was the split nature of the keyboard. I never got any training in typing so was just shy of "hunt and peck" when I first started using the Natural Keyboard. The split forces you to use the correct hand when typing. For instance there is no way you can get away with using your left hand to type an "h" on a split keyboard. At the same time this can be a major disadvantage if you try to game on one. I'm not saying you can't game on a ergo keyboard, just that it can be less than optimal for gaming. Ergo keyboards seem to fall into two major categories. On one hand you have reasonably priced keyboards such as the Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard and on the other hand you have expensive keyboards where there doesn't seem to be a limit to how much they can cost. There are also some very exotic looking ergonomic keyboards where they throw away the old QWERTY standard and create a layout they think is more logical. The more exotic the keyboard is the harder it will be to adapt to. Doesn't mean they are bad, just that it require more of an investment in the form of retraining. Then there are the type of keys used. Most ergo keyboards are using membrane switches, and are definitely not N-Key rollover capable. And that's one more point against using them for gaming. There are however some mechanical version though they tend to cost an arm and a leg. And I have no idea if there are any N-Key rollover capable ergo keyboards out there...

[@raploh]

Currently using Microsoft Sculpt Ergonomic Keyboard. I've been using MS ergonomic keyboards for a very long time (20+ years, since my student days). Very comfortable. All the pain in my wrists went away in a few days once I switched over to an ergo keyboard. For touch typists, I would say ergonomic keyboards (those with the split in the middle) all the way. Worth (almost) every penny.

[@unparticularnoise9021]

Thanks, Eber. Great review. You kinda convinced me to try this out. Also cinematography is great, lighting is great. Colors so vivid and punchy! You guys so grew up. Really amazing.

[@Zacharuni]

Typing on my Microsoft Sculpt. Happy to report that this is everything I'd want in a successor. LED backlighting is unnecessary for me, as touch typing is the goal with these. Having that 10-key built in will be nice, the Sculpt has one as a separate device which has never felt convenient. Being able to switch from three devices right from the keyboard is the killer feature. Definitely waiting for a sale on one of these.

[@JosiahNunemaker]

Also typing on the MS Sculpt. My biggest complaints are that the switches under the function keys are terrible, and there's a slider switch to switch between the fn keys and the shortcuts instead of the usual button.

[@SimonChango]

I disagree with the 10key being built in. The sculpt is already large for a TKL, as well as this ergo. I like neutral spacing of my arms for ergonomics. With this, you're forced into angling your arms outward if you are using both mouse and keyboard. I often use the wireless 10 key to the right of my mouse actually. And for the truly adventurous, you could place it at the left side to be used with your left hand instead. If I ever get into more keyboard heavy work I could see myself using this, but not currently. This will probably great for programmers and excel gurus that know their hotkeys.

[@roilev]

The numpad stays nice in the space between the two parts, in front of the keyboard. I rarely use it anyway, only for entering large numbers

[@GWM90]

The Sculpt has done well for me in general. I agree with the switches under the function keys. In the beginning I experienced a few weird issues that these keys would get stuck as well. I eventually stopped using these keys. And it seems the device is a bit sensitive for interference. Especially positioning my OnePlus in the center of the palm rest keystrokes aren't registered. All minor details though...

[@michaelknight2897]

I thinks it's good for office and everyday use but not for gaming. I have one in my office and there are hicups now and then due to the wireless.

[@gregbrowne4791]

I have used the wired Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 since about 2004 or 2005. As a full-time programmer it was a lifesaver on my wrists. Never had a problem with carpal tunnel. It's kind of clunky looking compared to today's fancy ergonomic keyboards, but it is a total workhorse and only about $30-40 on Amazon. In fact, I am still using the same physical keyboard. That's how sturdy it is.

[@jamedlock83]

My first Ergo keyboard from the MS 4000 as well

[@VG-2792]

Been using an ergonomics keyboard for years, with the latest being the K860 the past few months. And I love this keyboard. Being able to connect to a pc and a Mac and my iPad, has been awesome. the feel is great and very comfortable. Funny how you mentioned its a large keyboard, look at the ms 4000. I found this KB has a great design and use of space. Best KB I’ve used in long while. Enjoy the channel, great reviews.

[@artistryartistry7239]

My dude, you didn't even mention how the keys feel, the pressure needed to depress them, or what the tactile experience of actually typing is like. That's an unbelievable oversight.

[@Boopop1024]

I love PC gaming but I've never bothered with mechanical keyboards. Currently on a MS Sculpt, and I love it! Had an MS Ergonomic 4000 before that.

[@mrcraggle]

Legit same. I had my 4000 for years. I even busted the space bar but still kept it for years and last year bought the Sculpt which was on sale.

[@Adrian-jn9ov]

There are also ergonomic split mechanical keyboards. You can adjust the height at each corner and don't have the angle fixed.

[@CockatooDude]

@@Adrian-jn9ov They cost so much money though.

[@JesusMargarito]

I use this keyboard for work and I absolutely love it. Prior to this keyboard I was using the Microsoft ergonomic keyboard and although that keyboard will forever have a special place in my heart, this keyboard is a HUGE upgrade.

[@fardinzaman6631]

Next: Gaming ergo keyboard!

[@spidermain]

Tell him to review the $2000 TGR Alice

[@fardinzaman6631]

@@spidermain $2000 for keyboard... Sorry! I like membrane 😏

[@MuhammadIlhamuodd254512]

G edition

[@spidermain]

@@fardinzaman6631 Alice clones cost 300 so it's probably worth it for him.

[@fardinzaman6631]

@@spidermain yup!

[@JareTerran]

FUCK YES I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR AN ERGONOMIC KEYBOARD LIKE THE SCULPT FOR YEARS! The palm rest lift is something i can't live without.

[@surferdude4487]

The ergonomics and quality of this keyboard are tough to beat. You should be aware, however, that they put the 6 key on the left side of the split. I believe that Microsoft made the same mistake with their ergo keyboard.

[@beanut.putter]

@@surferdude4487 That is sooo fricking annoying.

[@surferdude4487]

@@beanut.putter Since the time I posted that reply, I've done plenty of research on the topic. Some European nations actually teach touch typing to strike the 6 key with the left hand. Some keyboard designers put the 6 on the left because they think it looks better. But I can't see because I'm blind, so I don't really care what the keyboard looks like. And I learned to touch-type in Canada so I want to hit that 6 key with my right hand. Besides, it's a long reach to get there with my left. So, yes, I would be a lot happier if they would put the 6 on the right side of the split or put one on both sides of the split. Of course, I could use the number pad, but since I use that for navigating with my screen reader, I would have to switch it back and forth and keep track of which mode it is in because I can't see the indicator LED.

[@blueridge8992]

Ergo boards are definitely the way to go for office workers but models like this with very shallow keys will cause repetitive stress injuries. Longer key travel boards are a better choice because they give your joints a larger area under stress to diffuse the overall friction load. The Logitech K350 and MK550, Microsoft Ergonomic Keyboard and Natural Keyboard, and the Perixx Periboard 512 are great affordable options. I used a K350 at work for 8 years before building my own mechanical split board and it’s still working great on my basement workbench today so it’s safe to say that board is a great value. Extremely comfortable too, especially the padded wrist rest. If you have the money to spend and want truly the most healthy option then you really need a split keyboard that lets you adjust the angle of the two halves (horizontally and vertically) to fit your particular hands and wrists. Mistel and Kinesis offer quite a few high quality options for under $175 and you can go up from there to boards like the Matias Ergo Pro, Ergodox, Dactyl, Keyboardio Model 01, and TGM Alice clones to really get the best of the best in the $200-400 range. The newly released Mistel D770 is a fantastic value at $140. I have one with Cherry silent switches being delivered on Friday and I can’t wait. For anyone that wants to learn more, allthingsergo is a great website to read reviews on ergonomic keyboards as well as other ergo products.

[@Throggy]

So I used a keyboard similar to this while at work the other day. I have to say, I immediately wanted an ergo keyboard after typing on it for about 20 minutes. I found this keyboard at bestbuy and just went by there to test it out, and it's amazing. I type a lot at work, and the keyboards we have aren't that great. But I'll eventually be upgrading to this keyboard. For someone who is a touch typists, this did wonders for me, and it was super comfortable. I played college tennis, so sometimes my wrists bother me, but I noticed no fatigue after using the ergo keyboard that I was typing on.

[@arpad9]

Yes! I've been using the MS Surface Pro and before that the MS Sculpt ergonomic. For reasons I can't understand, Logitech abandoned the ergonomic keyboard after that awful "Curve," but I used to like them. I've been typing on ergo keyboards for about 15 years and can't use anything else. It was onset carpal tunnel that forced me off of a flat keyboard and I haven't looked back. Really glad to see this.

[@markbrown83]

I'm currently using the Microsoft Sculpt ergo keyboard - love it. This is quite nice - I tried the MX Keys keyboard and loved everything about it - so presumably it's the same travel etc in a ergo layout... I will probably try it.

[@pvollas]

The keyboard should always be in reverse angle not only when you stand, if you are touch typing. That is because your wrists must be higher than your fingers. Normally the wrists are in the air but reverse palm-rest is more comfortable for long time. That's why the MS Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 has the extra palm-rest to attach under the palm-rest.

[@markvanzanten3496]

I have some experience with using differnt keyboard layouts so I can remove some of your concerns. At work I use a Microsoft Sculpt which is a wireless split keyboard like the Logi in the video. I used that with the included Microsoft Sculpt Mouse untill it broke, replaced with a Logitech MX Vertical. At home at the same time I used a Truly Ergonomic keyboard, which has a split layout with the keys lined out straight. Also I have to use my partners keyboard at home to configure her computer, and at work when ever I am on the move I have to work on the laptop. Switching between any of these layouts is no problem, as long as you can type on the key layout (QWERTY) to begin with. A split keyboard will make you quickly break bad habits like pressing B with the right hand or Y with the left hand. Once you do this on a split, you will follow on a 'regular' QWERTY layout. Then you can easily swap (like i do on a daily basis) between these layouts. Keep in mind some of the less 'standard' layouts like the truly ergonomic are a different story. My partner cannot enter her usernames or passwords on the Truly Ergonomic for example, but has no problem doing this on the split Microsoft Sculpt or her own "gaming" QWERTY keyboard. She is also a touch typist. While I dont make any more typing errors on one layout than the other, there is a difference in typing speed. For me that ranking has (over time) gone to where i am quickest on the Truly Ergonomic layout, followed by the Microsoft Sculpt layout simply due to posture, followed by any regular QWERTY (Which i am currently using (Logitech G Pro) for 2 years since the Truly Ergonomic had 3 Chery MX switches fail after it was attacked by liquid beverages... RIP). So swapping layouts should not be a concern for anyone (in the long run). You will simply become more versatile in your ability to type on a 'regular' layout as well as any ergo/split layout you will use. The backlight issue is already mentioned in the comments, should also not be an issue or deal breaker on an ergonomic keyboard. First for 'ergonomics' you shouldn't be working in the dark. Second you should be using it as a touch typist and type without looking you dont really need any backlighting. The F and J keys have those bumps so you can orient your hands/fingers without looking. So the backlighting would only be for 'looks'. Which is hardly worth it on a battery powered keyboard. The price however is a different story, and especially compared to a Microsoft Sculpt, which is still somewhat available despite its age for €90 which includes a wireless keyboard AND mouse (half vertical design), has a better 'ergonomic' design because the numpad is split off seperatly which lets you keep your mose closer to your keyboard (better for your posture). What i missed from this review is how many keys it can roll over, since the Microsoft Sculpt could not handle certain key combinations used in gaming (Shift + W + A + R for example to reload while sprinting sideways) which made me decide to NOT use it at home (and instead purchase a then €300 Truly Ergonomic which since broke..). And any form of 'latency' test to see if it is actually viable in the day and age of 165Hz monitors. So for now, it is more expensive and less ergonomic (due to numpad position) than competitors and it has no documented benefit besides being Unify dongle compatible and being able to swap between 3 systems. If it had no impactful (wireless) latency (i use wireless gaming mice for years, G403 currently) and no issues with key rollover I might actually replace my Logi G Pro with this so i can easily swap between gaming system and laptop without changing any cables or dongles.

[@roilev]

I fully agree. Never had issues using a normal keyboard after prolonged use of the Sculpt. Or using a mouse after using the trackball. Or the touchpad of the laptop. I have 10keyless mechanical keyboard with cherry browns. I type MUCH faster on it. But then I also make much more typing errors. The worse key switches on the Sculpt has forced me to type slowly but with next to no typos. In the grand scheme I am not in such a hurry and I prefer to save my wrists and fingers. I still keep my mechanical keyboard and ultra-fast gaming mouse for the gaming sessions I rarely do now.

[@ItsReaxxion]

Chyrosran22: "eew take that disgusting away from me"

[@yomurita]

He would be cussing every 3 words at this

[@vepaS]

*disgusting*

[@yomurita]

UNACCEPTABLEEEEEeeeeeEe

[@czdot]

@@yomurita What do you mean he would be cussing? That British gentleman paints with words?! 😁

[@yomurita]

@@czdot Very tuberculosis, as he'd say

[@DrYve36]

bought one of these off of ebay - this week nearly new for an amazing price. I am a touch typist and have been on it since it arrived today. LOVE IT. watched your video after the purchase but looks like other than the price it was a thumbs up for you -- as it is for me. the led missing is not an issue - as i touch type and rarely look at the key board i paid about 75% 'less than the full price so pretty good investment from my prospective. most importantly my wrists have never felt better.

[@marketingwithalvin1028]

I'd recommend the Microsoft Ergo 4000 keyboard. $40.. 5 macro keys. :) Been using it for 3 years now and I work 12-14 hours a day. :D

[@Rickmakes]

Marketing with Alvin I love mine... except my alt key is failing. It’s under warranty but Microsoft’s warranty support on keyboards sucks. I spent an hour on hold. I’ll have to try again one of these days.

[@marketingwithalvin1028]

@@Rickmakes Yeah. Makes sense. Microsoft has never been known to offer good support. For the price, it is okay though. :) Maybe you just got a lemon. I'm not not a very heavy typist though.

[@Montisaquadeis]

Mine has issues on Windows 10 so I can't use it there but it works fine on Linux so go figure.

[@marketingwithalvin1028]

@@Montisaquadeis Weird. I use Windows 10 with no issues whatsoever. I did have to download Microsoft Mouse and Keyboard Center.

[@imonfyre]

I have one of these at home, for the longest time! And I had the multimedia ergo before it. Also went out and bought a used one for work, because flat keyboards suck to type on now!

[@300awoo]

I'm a touch typist and I still want backlighting on my keyboard. It adds this mesmerizing and premium look to it

[@DaPoets]

If you took any type of typing course the ergonomic keyboards will actually let you type faster and type longer.

[@Xoron]

A little gatekeeping here: Someone using an ergonomic keyboard should not be requiring backlight since you should not be typing in the dark.

[@ez1ollie]

Xoron aesthetics

[@teamvigod]

I've used ergos in the dark for a decade. why should I not be requiring or wanting a backlight? I need it for the not often used keys my touch typing doesn't remember like the symbols above numbers or the shortcut keys (F keys) on top for mac shortcuts (i.e. launchpad). Logitech needs to do this keyboard like the MX Keys which I have now and add recharging and backlight. I'd pay $150 for it

[@alicepepper9095]

I use a Microsoft 4000 Ergonomic keyboard & have for around 25 years. I have 4 kids & they all hate it. But I love it. I use it at home & at work. I am a typist so I don't have to look at the keys. It is comfortable & I've never had a wrist problem. I know many people where they do a lot of typing at their job & they have wrist issues. I also use a mouse pad with a wrist pad.

[@Darkman03]

These are really great boards, but I'd love to see the MX Mechanical come in a layout like this, or a TKL + Backlight. The MX Keys do last a long time, albeit not as long as the k860. Backlights help when you are working in the early morning or late at night with lights off or dimmed, even as a touch typist. Ditching the numpad or including it as a split option would further increase ergonomics for those that don't need it regularly.

[@kathywalters3811]

I turn the keyboard over and tap it against the desk or a trash can to get small debris from between the keys. Then you can brush it off win all the grooves, including the one between the keys and wrist guard, with a dusting brush or cheap paint brush. Lastly, be sure to clean the wrist guard often (depending on your skin oils) with a wet-wipe (baby wipe or clorox wipe), rubbing to get any spots out and let air dry. Mine cleans up nicely. I love it!

[@namuh5799]

Regarding sit/stand desk: Don't think too much about it. Just get a normal motorised stand with at least 2 or 3 Memory Functions. Some even remind you by changing positions from time to time. That way you can choose a table.. plate I guess? that fits to your taste and feeling, try different materials and if it gets worn out just change the plate. Most of these stands also have cable management. I'd recommend a Monitor holder with arms and tilt, a holder for your computer under the table so the pc changes position with you, some cable channels and there are table feedthroughs with usb ports, 3.5mm jacks or card readers which are pretty useful too. You can stick fingerprint readers in those for easy access. Also you can sink induction chargers into the plate to charge devices really easy and "natural". Mounting the power outlet strip under the table also makes sense. Last thing don't forget to buy loooong cables for every device. Oh and sorry for my english

[@KevKevAllen]

I’m a touch typist who types basically all day for work. I never look at the keyboard except if I need to use a key that I rarely use (like the F row keys) so for me the backlighting is not an issue at all. I don’t use the number row, I only use the number pad which I also use without looking. No backlight, no problem.

[@gdavis7569]

I thought I had carpel tunnel syndrome in my wrist for a long time. Went to the doctor and had a needle test, and some other test only to find out that I didn't have carpel tunnel syndrome because my wrist were hurting so bad. I even did physical therapy on my wrist to see if that would help. I decided to switch keyboards and I've been using this exact same keyboard for a few years at work because of the discomfort I was experiencing in my wrist from using a standard keyboard. I love it and have no problems now with my wrist.

[@madness1931]

Yeah... I'm a touch typest, and use the right hand to press the B key, this board would throw me off. EDIT: LED backlighting can still be really helpful. Even though I can type pretty well, I don't recall some of the symbols, with layouts and regions changing things up. If I'm also working in a dark room it can help find my home row.

[@roilev]

Work in a well lit room. Dark room is nerdy but not helping your eyes. I have two desk lamps behind my monitor illuminating the wall behind it. And LED strip around the walls to create shadowless but bright illumination.

[@doctorgears9358]

because i game after I work, I use an ergo split keyboard + a trackball mouse for work while a regular keyboard + mouse for gaming. I think it helps a lot as it mixes things up. No longer am I doing the exact same motions all day, every day.

[@Daphoid]

My Dad has arthritis and as a result his doctor recommended the Microsoft Natural keyboard when it came out back in 1995. He bought one to replace our normal keyboard with and basically said "this is our keyboard now, deal with :)" - I was 13 or so at time. I also happen to be visually impaired so I can't read the label on the key without getting pretty close to it. As a result, I now touch type and never look down at the excepts except sometimes for page up and page down which I use rarely. Further, my Dad, sisters, girlfriend, and a few coworkers use MS ergonomic keyboards at home and work. I love the negative tilt they introduced in the Natural a few years ago, can't type without it now :)

[@asthmaticrhino]

Keyboards that are ergonomic that are better than that: XD75 re Ergodox / Iris/Sol etc. Tgr alice and clones Ymdk sp64/sp84 Dactl and Dactl Manuform

[@poopubitch]

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[@asthmaticrhino]

​@moo I agree with most of what you're saying, the alice is probably the least ergonomic of the bunch, but having typed for more than a week on a scuplt vs. daily driving an XD75, it's a really low bar. I spent 20 minutes typing on a friend's alice and I'd say it's still about as good as the sculpt, despite not having tenting. The best ergodox's I've felt are actually the ones they sell with the fully scuplted keycaps. Once you put a DSA set on them they take a hit to the comfort. If I had to do a ranking to "ergonomic-ness" I'd probably go datctl, iris, ergodox, then the split keebs, then the xd75, then the alice. That being said, everyone has different wrists, and the further it is from what people know, the harder it will be to adjust. I would say something like a Mistrel staggered split with a good set of wrists rests would alleviate a large amount of typing strain for a lot of people without having to go all out on a Manuform and learn a completely new way of typing.

[@5DNRG]

I used an ergonomic keyboard at a firm in the 90s, and I miss it like an old hot boyfriend.

[@mabimabi2952]

I have hypermobility and my hands hurt a lot. I've tried multiple keyboards, including mechanical ones, but still I couldn't quite make the pain better. I've been looking into this keyboard and I liked your review a lot, thank you!

[@CJRHD7]

Use the Microsoft Ergo Keyboard at work and Corsair Strafe Mechanical at home. I can feel pain/fatigue any time I have an extended typing period on a normal keyboard now but not on the ergo ones. Love the ergo design and once you get used to it you definitely type better on it than you do on the regular design. Price is way too high compared to what Microsoft has. Backlighting is not as big of a deal, Logitech’s main customer here is a well lit office.

[@spidermain]

If you want a mechanical ergo keyboard. Get an Alice layout keyboard (60% ergo mechanical).

[@cyberlizardcouk]

i've used ergonomic keyboards for years now and apart from my laptop, I could never go back. For writers, authors and coders, there is nothing better.

[@surferdude4487]

I've been using the Logitech K860 for over ten months now. The 6/^ key is on the wrong side of the split. The feet for raising the wrist rest are fragile and are long gone. The key action and shape of the keyboard are excellent. The lack of any keyboard backlighting means that I'm still using the original batteries that came with the keyboard, I have some carple tunnel starting up in my right wrist but this condition has improved since I started using this keyboard. Although I would really like Logitech to put the 6 key on the right-hand side of the split where it belongs, I still recommend this keyboard. The price, for a wireless keyboard of this quality, with dual capability for dongle or Bluetooth capability is an excellent value.

[@GamerX84]

I have been using a Microsoft Natural Ergonomic 4000 since 2007 and the same keyboard from then still works like a champ to this day. Microsoft makes good peripherals.

[@SamichHunter]

Northgate Evolution. This keyboard has been my main keyboard since around 2002. Its split design has been a God send! Soon after using it I gave up on conventional keyboards as the strain was just too uncomfortable. Yes, I have had to repair it a few times but for this old school nerd it has been more than worth it.

[@heeerrresjonny]

As several others have said, the Microsoft "Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000" is an awesome, much cheaper alternative to this. It's not wireless, but it has some macro keys and media keys and the same basic shape as this Logitech one. I actually game on mine at home and it 100% cured my carpal tunnel/RSI issues in my left wrist.

[@Baxtexx]

I wish they dumped the numpad to make space for the mouse. That together with a MX Vertical v2 with the free spin wheel from the master would be lovely!

[@mkteku]

Exactly. In my book, it cannot be called ergonomic with a numpad on the right. A separate numpad (w Unify receiver) would be the ticket.

[@mkteku]

Re the free spin wheel: for those who are not lucky enough to have it, the Scrollbar anywhere extension has a Grab & drag option (+ friction and speed settings) that work almost as good.

[@mkteku]

@@NVGEAR, for me too -- and we can have one ON THE LEFT or a SEPARATE one...

[@Baxtexx]

@@NVGEAR yeah, that's why they should make one wireless, just like the Microsoft keyboard sculpt has.

[@EspenFrafalne]

Have been thinking of trying these for years, and got a Kensington "Orbit Fusion" ergonomic trackball mouse half a year ago, that convinced me that ergonomic stuff is NOT just gimmick..! I needed a new keyboard, and just found the "iiglo ERGO Kx" at black friday sale for $10 (normal price is $70 here in Norway). Cant wait to try it 😁 Update: Just got it, and it is definitely more comfortable than my old keyboard, but the button layout is a bit different, so it will take some getting used to. The "Y" shaped curve of each side of the keyboard makes the backspace a bit higher up compared to what im used to, so i often hit the Enter key instead. But i just started using it maybe an hour ago, so im sure ill get used to it pretty quickly. Ive never tried a palmrest before, but i like it a LOT 😊

[@user-th6se5xw1v]

The obsession with backlighting boggles my mind, if you care at all about ergonomics you'll be using it in an environment that is adequately lit, making the lack of backlighting a non issue.

[@jaredthegamer]

I'm already using the Microsoft Sculpt keyboard at work and I love it. Best keyboard I've used until now. I ordered the Logitech Ergo K860 for my home office, it should be coming today, and I'm excited to try it. I decided to try the Logitech because it's designed to work with Mac and PC and I use both at home

[@vaanresvaanica]

Looks like a great keyboard, but I’m still waiting for a tenkeyless version

[@bm-rf4bc]

not a ms fanboy, sculpt is great tho.

[@taylormaddy9647]

As a person with physical disabilities, one being severe arthritis, I’ve never understood everyone’s obsession with low profile keyboards. I prefer the old school, high profile keys that I can easily feel. They make typing easier for me personally.

[@mururoa7024]

Try the Microsoft Sculpt keyboard. It's even better and rid me of my growing carpal tunnel pain (feels like 20,000V shooting through your arm and hand at the slightest movement). And as a bonus the keypad is detached so you can chose where you want to have it. The foldable feet on the Logitech are not so much a good idea if your goal is to avoid injuries: for an optimal posture your finger tips should always be lower than your wrists, not just when you're standing, so your palm rest and the front of the keyboard should always be raised.

[@roilev]

That's what the raising feet does. They are in the lower part of the keyboard, not on the higher where they usually are.

[@mururoa7024]

@@roilev I wasn't clear in my comment. I meant to say those feet should in fact be permanent instead of foldable. There's no point in buying an ergonomic keyboard if to not use one of it's key features.

[@roilev]

@@mururoa7024 I agree. But still, some customizations are welcome

[@MayaPosch]

I became a touch typist as a child already as my parents sent me to an official course. Their reasoning was that it'd be a very useful thing for me in the future. They were so right about that. As a professional author and software developer, my best friend is my ergonomic keyboard. Having used the Microsoft Comfort Curve 2000 & 3000 keyboards for a while, I have since a few years settled on the Microsoft Natural 4000. Though first released in 2005, the Natural 4000 is still the best ergonomic keyboard in the world, and also very cheap at $25-50. The Natural 4000 being wired-only is great for me as well. I don't mind a cable running over my desk, as I have one for my wired mouse as well. The Sculpt being wireless-only is the main reason why I have never tried it. In my experience the Natural 4000 is a workhorse that'll keep working and working, and once it wears out, a new one is pretty darn cheap. Tl;dr: I'll never try this Logitech Ergo keyboard because it's wireless-only and freakin' expensive. My Natural 4000 suits me fine.

[@SteS]

I was ignorant and thought touch typing was for secretary's. *How wrong was I.* Its the best thing to learn if you use a computer. 6 months in and I've improved 10 fold.

[@amazingbollweevil]

As a touch typist, the only time I need to look down at the keys is when I'm in the dark. The only time I'm in the dark is when I'm playing games. This is a work keyboard and most people work in room lighting.

[@katiefincher2433]

As another touch typist who can do a 140wpm and never has to look at a keyboard no matter how dark it is, I really like the LED lighting on my keyboards that have it, because its fun and I'm not a spergie asshole on the internet.

[@ze_or]

I'm a dvorak touch typist, 120wpm avg 170wpm max. I use blank keycaps often and I never look at the keyboard as it doesnt even help using dvorak. I rather not pay for leds i will never turn on.

[@auradrifter7779]

I’ve been eyeing ergo keyboards this week, so I’m glad you uploaded this. Think I’m going to get it.

[@johnw9177]

I JUST purchased this keyboard. If you “type”, then you’ll have no problem adjusting. This isn’t my first ergonomic keyboard, and I’m a traditional typist (they actually had that class in high school back in the 80’s). Going back forth to regular keyboards has never been a problem for me. I was hesitant paying $130. But, I’ve purchased and returned several over the past few months. All cost less than this keyboard, and none had all the features of this keyboard. So, maybe it IS worth the $129 price...?

[@terriebirdsong7775]

My all-time favorite keyboard was the Logitech Comfort Duo. It was wireless and had the big chunky keys that made all those wonderful noises every time you hit a button. I had that thing for close to a decade before it finally died. I'd rubbed the letters off of the buttons lol, but still used it without issue as I'm a touch typist. I've been using the Sculpt by Microsoft and ended up having to purchase 2 of those as they don't seem to last very long. I almost cried when I saw that Logitech was making this one! I was soooooo excited! I freaking love this one. I love that it still has the number pad on it for when I'm working in accounting. The wrist wrest is comfortable and can be wiped for easy cleanup. The buttons are responsive too. It's just a really, really great keyboard.

[@yensteel]

Typing on an Ergodox Ez. It's much more comfortable than a normal keyboard and totally worth it.

[@tofu_golem]

I haven't used a split keyboard in a while, but the Microsoft Natural keyboard has no equal in my opinion. If you are starting to take a shine to split keyboards, you owe it to yourself to try that one out. Addendum: I just bought this one, and it is very nice. I got this because Microsoft's wireless ergonomic keyboards tend to have flaky connections.

[@xxzeta]

Hey, couple months later I’m looking to buy first split keyboard for at home productivity which do u recommend? I have terrible fingers that lock up a lot and my wrists would hurt when I would play claw on a controller. Thanks for sharing 🙏🏽

[@tofu_golem]

@@xxzeta I haven't tried very many of the new ergonomic keyboards, but I'm VERY happy with the ergonomics of this particular keyboard. The main downside is that the included AAA batteries lasted longer than the paint on the keycaps.

[@egelev]

This is a great review. I didn't know about this keyboard but it looks like something I would love to test. I'm a full-time software developer and I spend most of my day using a keyboard and a mouse. A couple of years ago I tried an ergonomic keyboard and I'm not switching back. I love the natural position of my wrists, no more strain or pain on my hands. My favorite is the MS Sculpt Ergonomic. I just love this one. The best in my opinion. I also bought its predecessor MS Natural 4000 because it is cheaper (wired) and I needed a second one. It's pretty good as well. And its successor MS Surface Ergonomic - fancy design but less comfort. I believe a Numpad section is pretty useless but otherwise, this Logitech looks amazing.

[@JorgePille]

The only trouble I'm having is the "6" key being on the left side. I learned to type "6" with my right index finger. Other than that, this is potentially replacing my MX Keys (which I actually just got, lol). The ERGO K860 is a really nice keyboard! As for lacking backlighting, it's disappointing, but I really don't need it. I always have a desk lamp and I'm a touch typist.

[@MehranHeidarzadeh]

I wish there was a 10-keyless version of this. The added length due to the numpad causes bad posture when using the mouse.

[@sir-gamesalot]

And they call it "ergo".

[@jbgreen27]

Only if you mouse right-handed.

[@sir-gamesalot]

@@jbgreen27 it is right handed.

[@martinbalage9225]

"Microsoft Sculpt Desktop" solved that.

[@MehranHeidarzadeh]

@@martinbalage9225 I wish it had better key switches.

[@marcelsgold]

Well done video! This is my first ergo keyboard and I'm testing it out. Price to value is a negative though as is the attached wrist rest that can't be replaced.

[@kamilpyszczek2847]

If it would be in TKL version and will have backlight I would be happy to replace my Microsoft Sculpt keyboard :/

[@kalmtraveler]

I haven't tried this one, but over the years I tried a few ergo designs and really love the positioning with the MS Ergo 4000, but have found that despite the worse wrist positioning with traditional keyboards, the overall experience is still better for me with a 'normal' clicky mechanical keyboard than with a membrane ergo. If someone would copy the MS Ergo 4000 layout but make it clicky mechanical I could die a happy typist.

[@pkwatje]

Been using the MS 4000 for over 5 years at work and home. Have worn the letters off many of the keys. Had carpal tunnel(?) before, this keyboard saved my bacon.

[@rossharper1983]

I used to have a Microsoft ergo keyboard years ago, like 10 or so years ago. It was amazing to type fast on and I used it for gaming. This is back before everything had to have the word "gaming" in front of it. When I switched back to a standard layout I couldn't type for a month.

[@ДмитрийДмитрий-к9з]

I am using MS Sculpt. Such shape really saved my hands from pain. I hate only a couple of things in my kb - awful Fn keys (they are not scissor-switch) and bad location of Home/End/PgUp/PgDown. I would try K860 ergo, but the price...

[@jakedoc4610]

As a chat advisor, specifically helping 3 customers at once. I just purchased this.

[@ok-rh4vp]

this doesn’t make any sense

[@jakedoc4610]

@@ok-rh4vp how so, i am a tech support agent for a major company we have been very busy over the last 6 months since covid, so its three chats at once, all day long 8 hours a day. have to say having this comfortable keyboard really has helped me out a ton. i no longer have any wrist pain. i also did get the Logitech spin ball mouse which for sure helps. if anyone is on the borderline of buying this i would say it definitely is worth it

[@ok-rh4vp]

Jake Doc your comment sounded like “oh I am a doctor. I just bought this table” it didn’t have any context so I was confused

[@jakedoc4610]

@@ok-rh4vp haha

[@Ghost19_]

About the LED - that's also my rant when I bought a Logitech K380 keyboard as a temporary 'reliever' away from mechanical keyboard, but after only 2 days, I'd much rather have no led for it. You'll just get that good feel of typing with it without looking as much as possible :)

[@JonasMKarlsson]

Have been using the Logitech Ergonomic combo set in the late 1990's then switched to Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 at home...and still using it today. At work using a Kinesis Freestyle2 VIP3. Love them all, would not go back to normal keyboard...and oh...I'm thinking of upgrading my existing keyboard at home

[@demusent1078]

I switched to the Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 v1.0 about 6 months ago and actually purchased a second backup as the first use I was already typing faster and more comfortable than I was on any other keyboard. I even switched with a coworker for a different one at work. I am not a perfect touch keyboardist by any means but I would like a backlight. I also added a vertical mouse that felt just as comfortable (it is from ANKER) I use at work and home. My only negative is that my hands are large and I would like to see larger key caps for each letter and I understand I am in the minority here. (FYI=Wrists are over 8" around and glove six is 2XL). When I sub at other locations I get stuck ith a normal keyboard and hate them. Keep up the great work and about time a "gamer" looks at comfort over expectations! :)

[@Jay-pj4sq]

With you covering the tech and peripherals and Dmitry covering the cases mostly, I think Mike should be covering something he likes, as he will speak about them more passionaltely.

[@Kvantum]

I swear by ergo keyboards. I've used a Microsoft Natural (the old white one), a Natural 4000 (the black and silver one, still just $40-50 online), and now an Ergodox-EZ Glow. RGB, mechanical, 76-key, with socketed switches so you can replace them with whatever Kailh BOX you prefer. I've got Thick Golds (clicky, almost "poppy") but I'm debating BOX Navy since I keep hitting keys by accident. Getting used to an Ergo of any form definitely makes switching back to a traditional layout less than ideal, though.

[@classicrockonly]

Chris Frizzell I have the non Glow with Kailh Gold, blank PBT keycaps and type on the Colemak ModDH layout and it’s a dream. I can switch keyboards fine but I always find myself disappointed when not on my ergodox. I HATE staggered rows now.

[@mrl9337]

I am using the MX Keys and I LOVE it - the little clicks are addicting, it's thin, back lit and works. I wish it had a wrist rest, it would be perfect! I CAN"T believe the ergo MX does not have back lit keys - seriously - what was Logitech thinking? Back lit keys are not a necessity, but we there is the cool factor to consider.

[@Dreigo42]

The most comfortable keyboard I have ever used was a Microsoft Ergonomic 4000. If someone made that with mechanical switches, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

[@rossharper1983]

Snap

[@marketingwithalvin1028]

@@rossharper1983 Shhh... Microsoft is listening.. (Or not).. hahahaha

[@arax20]

@@rossharper1983 I believe there are ergonomic mechanical keyboards with similar layouts

[@Dillinger86]

I was taught to type on an old typewriter in summer school back in 1973, we were taught not to look at the keys as we typed, and so now I can type without looking at all, but I've never been able to use one of those ergonomic Keyboards comfortably. For some reason it messes with my muscle memory and I catch myself looking at the keyboard and when I'm trying to mash out 70 to 80 words a minute with that job I had I needed to keep up it just messed with my typing speed, so I stuck with a standard mechanical keyboard. Now not so much but I still use a standard mechanical keyboard to this day. what hurts me more than a keyboard is the mouse, my wrist starts hurting from using the mouse after a few hours.

[@raymondwu9506]

there are many options for ergo mech keyboards in the custom keyboard community it's just incredibly expensive

[@cheekoli]

a number of my colleagues use a split keyboard from kinesis. its a bit different, but you can configure it similarly with risers in the middle. i think its a few hundred usd

[@raymondwu9506]

@@insertnamehere6559 name? and I meant the one that you build yourself and simmer switch by switch

[@raymondwu9506]

@@insertnamehere6559 I've only seen rly expensive options and didn't know this was a thing cus I don't rly like ergo keyboards but this is rly nice for the price

[@KamenMinkov]

I think it's a missed opportunity to only allow the top row to be customised - you don't know how useful it is to have CapsLock as Fn and then IJKL as arrows on the Fn row (and a whole lot others) until you've tried it. And with a split spacebar, one of the halves should be able to be set to do something else.

[@DyesubDave]

Logitech really needs to combine this keyboard with the MX Keys. So the layout, wrist rest and ergonomics of this keyboard but using the indented keys and backlighting from the MX Keys. They should lose the ambient sensor option as there have been many reported issues with it. Just allow people to set the level of lighting they prefer and the ability to choose a custom timeout for the lighting when the keyboard is not in use. With the added backlighting it would also preferrably be rechargeable via USB-C. If the Ergo K860 and MX Keys had a full size baby then I would pay the higher price. Until that happens I likely won't purchase either of them. C'mon Logitech ... this video is over 3 years old ... GET ON IT! 😜

[@quikqllc3467]

I've been using ergonomic keyboards for years. It didn't take long for my brain to map it out. I can now jump from keyboard (ergonomic) to keyboard (non-ergonomic) without even thinking about it.

[@Tony-rz4ks]

my #1 keyboard. love love love this keyboard. its more comfortable. I have been a ergo keyboard user for 20 years.

[@JDOG1337]

My desk is covered in all sorts of gaming gizmo's and wahoos, EXCEPT for the keyboard which is the MS Ergo Sculpt... I've tried standard/ mechanical keybds and I can't go back. I will forever be using an ergonomic keyboard until someone invents a working neural interface.

[@michaelknight2897]

Kinesisgaming. They have a mechanical ergo keyboard.

[@MrBearitall]

This is the better version of the cherry ergo keyboard. I bought the cherry a few years ago and was able to get the ergo later. the ergo is by far the better keyboard in so many ways. If you 'd like to try ergo, go with the cherry until you get used to it, but I think getting the logi ergo as a first is great.

[@lemonnut40]

Missed an opportunity to talk about the keys themselves. Mushy? Clicky? Thats what is going to sell someone on it.

[@LightPink]

It has the exact same keys as the other board in the video which he already did a review of

[@goatslayerwp]

Membrane chicklet, so it's like typing on an ergonomic turd.

[@2ears1mouth786]

@@goatslayerwp get out of here you insufferable elitist.

[@douglashughes2331]

I hope I dont sound like a troll. Keyboards are NEVER going away. Keyboarding was the worst grade I got in HS (I am 59 now) 6 years into business my company introduced computers and I typed with 2 fingers for years till I came to the realization that it was never going away. If you buckle down for 2 weeks you will be able to do this. As for the Logi Ergo, I have gone through 3 Microsoft keyboards in the last 4 years and switched over to Ergo when the last one broke. The Ergo is better. The wrist rest is better quality and design. The keyboard is physically heavier and feels better. The number pad is attached and is detached in the MS version. Having used both the MS split keyboard and the Ergo, I think the Ergo is worth the extra money.

[@WarriorsPhoto]

I love Logitech gear and am glad to see them selling something like this. Thank you Ebert. I will be going to a store and trying this keyboard for my own typing experience. (:

[@DarrenKrusi]

They've sold products like this for years, I'm still waiting for an update to my beloved MK550 Wave. Having bought a G915 TKL, I love it but I would still love an updated Wave.

[@WarriorsPhoto]

@@DarrenKrusi Good to know. I can look at the used market as well, thank you.

[@DarrenKrusi]

@@WarriorsPhoto You should still be able to buy the Wave in retail stores. There's a Comfort keyboard which just has opposite sides of the keyboard sloping but that's all it does. I will say that the Mouse that comes with the Wave combo is not that great, it's rear heavy and you feel it when picking it up.

[@WarriorsPhoto]

@@DarrenKrusi I am looking for a nice keyboard for when mine goes out. Whenever that'll be. Thank you for the input. BTW, any mechanical keyboards you know of that are Mac specific?

[@jaelee1368]

Very nice review, though I wish a little more discussion about how the keys feel and how loud they are in an office environment would've been nice. I've been using Microsoft ergonomic keyboards for years, starting with the Microsoft Natural Keyboard 4000. I'm currently using the Microsoft Sculpt keyboard, which is definitely a love/hate relationship (love the wireless connectivity, hate the smaller Function (F) keys on the top row). I would never go back to standard keyboards, since I'm always in front of a computer coding. The new Logitech K860 keyboard looks great! I'm going to pick it up and see how it compares with the Microsoft Sculpt. I'm already using the Logitech MX Master 3 mouse, so this keyboard will pair nicely with it and save a USB port.

[@metallurgico]

This or the Microsoft should be standard for every keyboard

[@SUNROSE7878]

Absolutely, to use a straight keyboard for long periods of typing is like taking a knife to your wrist.

[@AlexMercadoGo]

The modifier keys on that one are a deal breaker for macOS.

[@elbajomundo]

But in TKL versions!

[@benjaminlecomte6664]

i don't use standing desk because it's a waste of time to going from one position to a other and you often won't do it, instead i have made a desk that suit my standing position and put a column made for a bar sit on my gaming chair, that way when i'm on my chair or standing i'm always at the same high and it's indescribably handy to be able to move around and come back to the computer between two things without the need to bend my back and neck ! You can find easily on amazon those column. I had a ergo keyboard and loved it back in the day, i don't know if i could switch back has i must use straight keyboard at work for the laptop and desktop i use.

[@gourd1990]

At my work I use the logitech k350 keyboard which is kinda ergonomic. At home I use the Corsair STRAFE MX Red keyboard. And at my parents house I use the Apple Magic Keyboard. So it might take you awhile but eventually you will get used to using different keyboards at the same time.

[@MagnumEDU]

I own the K860, MX Keys and K350. Honestly the k350 ergo is the most comfortable and easy to type on. The K860 is missing a backlight. Logitech needs to create a k350 styled,, multi-device enabled, lower profile version and it would be their best ket. ! My perfect keyboard would be K350 key-layout, K860 key height, with mx key backlight!

[@taiwanbeer6067]

Finally !! Logitech, good job. Long ago Logitech have a keyboard called "Wave" keyboard, it's my first "expensive" keyboard, before that I was using $300 NTD basic keyboard. Wave keyboard is durable and comfort, just like legendary optical mouse - MX518, this K860 must be good. My English sucks, hope you can understand my means.

[@Daphoid]

As someone who was forced at a young age to switch to a MS Natural keyboard; I've never owned anything with backlit keys and don't really need it. I'm visually impaired and can't see the key labels without looking really closely; so as a result I touch type like crazy. That $149 CAD price though, ugh.