Longer Chess Games #46 Climbing the 2500 mountain - Paranoid GM plays a Dutch

[@counterstrike1110]

i followed this game with stockfish in another window and he kept playing the 2nd best engine move every single turn lmao such a shame

[@DinoZoffEx]

I think that the title of this series should be: Longer Chess Games against Stockfish (and occasionally humans). This particular video could have also been titled: Grandmaster out of book on move two!

[@allanmarks2150]

Grandmaster out of book on move two! Well I now see why there are chess videos on YT that say "you cannot memorize your way to chess excellence". However, if you are playing Blitz 3-0, there is no time to think your way through the opening. This a real problem/dilemma for me, that I am working to solve, and I welcome any ideas/solutions from anybody who has made progress with this problem. Note - I am very motivated to solve this problem/dilemma because after many years absence from chess, I just started going to a chess club (in Guatemala) where once a week they have a Blitz 3-0 tournament.

[@casperkamp]

Should rename the series to "Getting chesscom engine users banned one at a time."

[@aldocamilleri7331]

I'm glad you went over that whole d5 with Ne4 scenario with the bishop on b7. To know Grandmaster also struggles with that is a comfort. I'm never sure what to do to in that situation. I sort of have stopping them playing e4 higher up on the priority ladder, so I seek to occupy it at all costs.Seems to occur in Nc3 lines instead without c4.

[@pianochess1882]

I hope you will still keep making these videos. My favorite videos!

[@7percentSolution]

Thanks for the upload, Simon! I have your book, The Killer Dutch, and am looking forward to your Chessable update.

[@guitarseast]

I would prefer even to fail with honor than win by cheating. Sophocles

[@kernadan000]

Simon you need to use an Alt account when playing long play, this has been clear for the last ~10 videos.

[@jhadesdev9576]

A complete cheat, don't get discouraged Simon it was still very educational and entertaining as always. I'm looking forward to the new killer dutch, as I'm a chessable fan too but I wish you had everything on your website; The trainer on chessable is not that useful as we rarely play the exact lines. I play the Black Lion against d4 with decent results I guess because it's so uncommon, but it feels very bland compared to against e4. I'm looking forward to your new Killer Dutch course on Chessable and switch my d4 Black games to the Dutch. I bet that if you would ask for a non-exclusivity agreement they would give it to you and allow to publish the course also on your site. Many platforms like Udemy or Amazon don't ask for content exclusivity, which is a real pain for content producers.

[@HighlyCruciferous]

Do you mean the Old Indian ? Plans with ...g5 are definitely not good there.

[@jhadesdev9576]

Hello Simon, just a quick note about analysis: green is better than blue. In the accuracy board, if you hover with the mouse over excellent (blue) it says "Almost as good as the Best move", and best (green) says "The chess engine's top choice"

[@sheledon3272]

I really like how you explained all your moves

[@pierrelion5226]

Thank you for the game Simon! I think the matter of Ne4 has to do with the fiancetto'ed light square bishop, maybe unusual? I think i recall you saying we could postpone the development of the light square bishop in a lot of Dutches. Also i'll remember a3, sounds like second line theory for club play.

[@scoldingtissue2217]

I learned a new tactic, use a smiley face after an insult,😀

[@hellooohowareudoing]

Great video, I still learn a lot from listening to the way you think. A3 was a very odd move for a human!

[@laurentbalague8546]

Instead of playing "someone", Simon should directly play against computer. At least, he would not be disappointed discovering later on, his opponent played with some help, making mistakes only when they are comfortable.

[@sheledon3272]

Haven't finished. I have to go to work, but this is your best video!

[@Anti-You]

a3 is a great move to remember for a second move. I'll remember that now.

[@ym276]

I don't think I've watched a single long-play game by Simon where he hasn't faced a cheat lol

[@ПрикладнаЕкономіка]

this is cheaters catching series =)

[@adamsasso1]

Why on earth would you possibly cheat against someone you “admire”? It would be an honor to lose to Simon fairly.

[@benjaminbasilius]

i learned a lot. thank you.

[@GuyMulinder]

Always enjoyable to watch regardless. Would you consider playing some Chess960 on your channel, Simon?

[@benoist13]

These positional problems that you've faced in this game (pathetic bishop on b7, pathetic knight on a6) are exactly the reasons that have conviced me to distrust the Dutch defense in general ... Will you succeed in repairing the black line of that game ?

[@-Mohog]

I actually talked to this guy today privately and he did assure me he wasn't cheating and he was worried about his account being banned and what people would think about him and he had made an appeal as well to get unbanned. Well, of course I can't really know for sure, but he did seem quite sincere. Maybe, just maybe this time your opponent wasn't cheating, but who knows. 2100-2200 are afterall pretty strong players, even if they aren't IM's or GM's and can play really good games. Still there are unfortunately too many people out there who do cheat and it's a real pity. Fortunately many of them do get caught.

[@ПрикладнаЕкономіка]

most of cheater will lie that they are not cheaters. That guy should show himself, tell his name, his real rating and real chess club. and his other games are also suspicious and he got registered 11 june 2019, its his new acc. Where is his real accounts? Maybe they got banned too? Without all i ve mentioned it all will be just cheater lie. He already registered new acc and keep playin with engine with new name I think...

[@ToRm3NtOrZz]

So talk to him again and tell him to appear If he is sincere he has nothing to hide Though I doubt it

[@KayOScode]

His moves were very consistent with sf's 2nd best move. Also did you notice the time it took him to make decisions was always fairly consistent. I think he at least used an engine a little

[@storiesreadaloud5635]

@@KayOScode This. He was way up on the clock against a GM who knows this opening well, and he seemed to play rhythmically.

[@Ivactheseeker]

@@storiesreadaloud5635 Simon does not know the 2.a3 variation, which was the reason it was played id the first place. Than Simon gave him a better position and misplayed in the second half. I think it's obvious to any chess player that he did not cheat. Or if he cheated, he cheated to a 2000 rated human level :) .

[@Nashy119]

Would it make sense to do an experiment where you play some low rated players, blunder a piece early on, then try to save it and win? for that lower rated player experience.

[@protoolshiphop4977]

I watch a myriad of chess streamers, and a player "mannlopez" was a recurring opponent in most of them. Strangely, the playing style looked human then, while this game looks out of character in comparison. I wouldn't find it hard to believe the dude was trying to pull a fast one against you!

[@ПрикладнаЕкономіка]

maybe he is streamsniper and try to beat gms with smart engine use.

[@thomasthomas8049]

The opponent has been banned.

[@djordjedosic5764]

I think Simon should play vs computer next time, since every opponent used engine... At least he would know that he's playing engine :D

[@mrhed0nist]

Some troll would pretend to be a computer:D

[@nakulbam5067]

I'm sorry but I don't think this is a cheater. I've had accuracy rate of like 98.9 or something. So I don't think this is a cheat

[@AgentSmith911]

He's clearly a chet. And he got banned for it too.

[@nakulbam5067]

@@AgentSmith911 chess.com sometimes also bans people jut because too many people report him which can easily be the case. I still think he wasn't cheating. The moves he played looked natural(except a3 of course)

[@nakulbam5067]

@dagnu you are a pretty stupid person judging by your comments . 2000+ players can play a very decent game if the positions are not too complicated which was the case in this game. His position was also easier to play and all the moves looked natural too me. Strength of a player should not be measured by accuracy rate of 1 game. You guys just go nuts when an untitled player beats your beloved KZbinr/titled player.

[@nakulbam5067]

@dagnu I don't need to Google it you dumbo. I already know about it. And as before you completely miss the point of my argument. Don't label someone a cheater just because he has a higher accuracy and beat your beloved gm. Now I am a fan of gingergm, JB and other KZbinrs who make amazing free content for players like us. But I don't go throwing around tags on people just because they beat them in a convincing game

[@nakulbam5067]

​@dagnu what makes you think I'm a troll?? You clearly need some help. Apparently nowadays on the internet, sharing your opinion is trolling. People get butthurt by hearing other people's opinions. And you replied to my comment so it should be me who should be telling you to leave me alone. I just wrote my comments and you chose to get butthurt

[@greatwolf.]

no don't kick charlie that's not very nice D: 24:26 I was wondering if the idea of Qe4 could work. If Ne5 maybe Nc5 could work or is that too clever?

[@ym276]

Although he's probably a cheater, I'm a 1900 and I've had some great games with 99 or even 100 accuracy, so we can't be certain

[@fertedin]

First of all, that accuracy is not so "true". And also, all of us have 99 or 100 against low rated players, if you get 99% against a GM is another thing.

[@jmaygarden]

Why not switch to a Stonewall Dutch when white puts his knight in front of the c-pawn?

[@HighlyCruciferous]

Yes that's a good reaction. Should be especially effective when White has also committed to a3.

[@BigReno73]

you think it be an honour to play a GM when your a lower rated player

[@bortje100]

I would love to play you again as a chesspatzer Simon. The patzers are at 1800/1900 rating. Name: ChesspatzerBERG We have played before in a stream (;

[@isacjohanssing]

I get this discourages you.. But I find these videos extremely helpful.. Try lichess or play trusted people? Either how its still instructive though understandably frustrating for you..

[@danjeory3659]

He has to play chess.com. Contract... :(

[@dukereg]

I have no idea if there was evidence of cheating (i.e. fluctuating between weak and strong play), but it's possible he's a very strong player who hasn't had time in two weeks to "climb the rating ladder" to his actual rating. It's taking Simon years, why should he be able to in weeks? Maybe his rating is suppressed by playing cheats all the time? Innocent until proven guilty, not "innocent until he beats Simon on a day when he develops his queenside badly and then blunders a piece".

[@HighlyCruciferous]

His play was not of a higher standard than what one could expect from his rating.

[@Ivactheseeker]

@@HighlyCruciferous Exactly. The problem is that Simon's community is even more paranoid than Simon himself.

[@ratherrapid]

did the engine also send Simon the good luck greetings?

[@atlemagnussen7421]

Does anybody know when the Gambit CD comes out?

[@mrhed0nist]

I know Chessdotcom pays streamers to use them but wouldn't it be better to use another server like Lichess, for example, for your youtube videos? Yes Lichess has its fair share of (c)heats as well but I'm often given my rating points back and cheating opponents banned which at least shows they are actively dealing with the problem. Never had the same thing on Chessdotcom. And what happened to ICC? That used to be the place to go for all the titled players.

[@sdkee]

Love to see you wriggle. I am less better...

[@Zenitself]

It’s not paranoia if it’s true

[@guitarseast]

Q. What's the difference between a 3 thinker and an A3 thinker? a. One's a computer......

[@ПрикладнаЕкономіка]

players can remember couple of SF moves, especially at the beginning. Guy got banned for all his games, not only this game. (He played some moves by himself and its hard to catch guys like this since they are not obvious stockfish operators)

[@Chesstastic5000]

1800 plus it is common to get 95+ games

[@Chesstastic5000]

lol u ain’t 1800 plus on chess.com the ratings are very underated that’s one way a lot of cheats are caught low blitz yet 2000 it’s very unlikely

[@benjimass2224]

Your a beauty

[@anispinner]

That is the only way people with no skill can get into your videos! :)

[@donoranchess6671]

Please don't stop making these videos because of cheaters Simon!

[@SuperYtc1]

He stopped. :(

[@qkrotor]

It's not paranoid to be worried about cheaters when there are so many of them on the platform. Chess.com needs to do a better job of weeding these guys out.

[@mattimicusshufflizecki10]

It's such a shame to always be feared that your opponent is a cheater. This is why people just play hours of blitz so they don't have to deal with this shit. By the way Simon if you want to play a long time control game video without worrying about someone cheating you can also play me (I'm about 2000-2100 FIDE and don't play much on chess.com). It would be very fun! Just reply to this comment if you want to and I will send you a message on chess.com!

[@OnBelayClimbOn]

Chess dot com anti cheat algorithms will be the last word. Proved him to be a douchebag! But it was an entertaining video and instructive

[@arcitejack]

a3?!

[@HighlyCruciferous]

It's a line developped by GM Prié. Certainly offbeat but not completely stupid.

[@poogapooga3176]

How about analysing daily games with subscribers. I won't cheat! We could play 3 days a move.

[@MichelNabil]

i think you got confused with the computer assessment of "excellent move in blue" vs "Best move in green" at chess.com, excellent move is more inferior to best move,, it goes as following colors from bad to best, red, yellow, gray, blue and green... Anyway i think he is cheating obviously and some people here say he got banned already, but still the problem i think is because Chess.com is so poor at detecting cheats.... whats strange, is that the guy was so nice of you... so how could be still cheat... i don't know the psychology of those people.

[@sg12nk34]

In my opinion problem lies in the name "excellent" it just sounds like a genius super hard to find move, should have called it "great move" or something, sounds inferior to "best" but "excellent"... You know it's like in games rank E,D,C,B with A being the best but there's often this S rank above everything else.

[@terryleddra1973]

I agree. Simon unfortunately mistakes the a3 move as something of brilliance when it was really deemed to be better than average. This then sets the trend for the rest of his analysis.

[@ПрикладнаЕкономіка]

this game isnt obvious. He got comfortable and easy game and won. But if he is studying dutch with SF and remember opening of he just use SF eval during playing is open question. We should look on timing and other games of this guy.

[@KayOScode]

The guy played stockfishes second best move every time according to another comment.

[@SuperYtc1]

It’s comical how they think they’re making some big brain play by sneaking in some inaccuracies when there already comfortably ahead, or playing the second best Stockfish moves. Trying to outsmart computers (cheating detection software) is so stupid. It’s a shame that people do this. What a privilege to be able to play a grandmaster online. We’re the first generation able to do that. It’s sad that people have to abuse power. It’s sad that you stopped doing this series because of cheaters.

[@ПрикладнаЕкономіка]

Opp registration date is 11 june 2019. He registered new acc and try to beat gms with engine. But banning cheater is also good job (I reported +- 10 cheaters and they got banned)

[@ZiggyZugzwang]

You cannot win playing Ginger GM. Either you lose or you get banned. That Accuracy stuff means nothing. I play very average games with 1750 rating and get 90+ all the time. It doesn't make sense.

[@richardfredlund3802]

true.... I would think twice before playing him, because I get the same feeling. (I've had games with centipawn loss as low as 14 before). Still on this occasion I think Simon may well be right. Joined 10 days ago, and apparently played Stockfish second best move most of the way through.

[@DownfallHitlerParody]

If you’re getting 90%+ accuracy all the time you’re either playing a bunch of patzers or you’re a cheater 😂

[@LoneWolf_2308]

You have played against a cheater....with no dubt! Your opponent have picked up some 2n engine choice(in already winning position), in order to avoid suspicious thoughts...IMO. best regards

[@stephencallahan7877]

White played too well..

[@andresrossi9]

I'm still waiting for you to play with a human😂

[@David-hq8ir]

Again why not checking his profile before the game? 20 in puzzle rush? Very unlikely he is almost 2200...

[@AgentSmith911]

Just checked your opponents account. It's banned... So yeah, it's clear to me that people tend to cheat a lot.

[@tombjorn4859]

So fucking sad how often it happens. I love long play games myself but I'm always paranoid that my opponent can just turn on an engine if they don't feel like losing. I could play Blitz and Bullet which is more fair but I really like having time to think.

[@AgentSmith911]

@@tombjorn4859 The only thing that works is to play against old and very active accounts with thousands of games played, as they're less likely to cheat.

[@milankotevski1663]

Too many cheaters.

[@jackkahn8217]

it's easy to win against the dutch

[@gghelis]

Why buy the most expensive premium account just to get banned for cheating? And knowing you're being recorded too.

[@stephen0793]

Do I believe that this guy played at the 97% accuracy level against a Grandmaster? No, I don't, I'm sorry, statistically he's cheating

[@googleaccount4577]

Simon, perhaps you should consider playing your longer games on lichess. That website seems to have much less of a cheaters problem (although obviously you will still face some of them over there). I know you work for chess.com, so you can't say they have a terrible cheat-detecting system. But just give lichess a try, for your longer games. Otherwise, maybe try to play 10 minute-games, which is an option on chess.com. This is technically blitz, but you still have a lot of time to think. John Bartholomew has been doing that recently.

[@sg12nk34]

He has a contract with chess.com they don't let you stream there

[@insanetester1015]

It's even worse on Lichess. This is a social problem. It affects all online gaming.

[@ym276]

@@insanetester1015 No, Lichess has a far better cheat-detection algorithm. You've probably never played on lichess, so stop saying random things

[@slowlearnerschessclub7983]

Friends?...on the chessboard your opponent is enemy, and enemy is to be shown no mercy.

[@ПрикладнаЕкономіка]

its playing partner, not enemy. You both should have fun or he will stop play you. Also you shouldn't spend your time on people you don't like/ ppl who don't like you and so on.

[@slowlearnerschessclub7983]

@@ПрикладнаЕкономіка It's a state of mind my friend, besides I'm halfway joking. Go watch Karate Kid.

[@ПрикладнаЕкономіка]

@@slowlearnerschessclub7983 Ive seen old Karate Kid maybe 10 or 7 years ago.

[@slowlearnerschessclub7983]

@@ПрикладнаЕкономіка Karate kid ll Mr. Miyogi no mercy scene.

[@slowlearnerschessclub7983]

@dagnu Ah yes...but the board is not trying to destroy you.

[@mustafaalnoor2198]

Nice guy means he a cheater hahahah

[@confucheese]

I just scrolled through his archive, he averages 99% accuracy, definite cheater in my opinion. This time control is a cesspool for these cheaters.

[@AlligatorTradingGroup]

Nice cheater, they're evolving! Maybe you should play fans for longer games, even if they're weaker as what matters is thought process and it would be better to see you explaining why/how they blunder than seeing you trying hard to beat a computer.

[@pianochess1882]

Juraj Jurík he was a fan

[@mustafaalnoor2198]

You have bad luck with cheater my friend

[@willlovendahl2309]

Simon, I think your fans get these folks banned. The fact of the matter is that if you watch this video back, you predicted the vast majority of his moves. Have you ever considered the possibility that you are getting innocent players banned?

[@danjeory3659]

It's nothing to do with the number of people who report. Chess.com cheat algorithm looks at all of his games and makes an assessment. It's clear from his archive he's a cheat. Also very strange for someone who is apparently such a huge fan of Simon to have only created a chess.com account on June 11...

[@GingerGM]

He was reported, investigated and banned before this video was published.

[@willlovendahl2309]

GingerGM I'm glad to hear this. I've never been too familiar with the methods used for chess.com, but it's been something I've thought about since a few videos back. Glad to know it's nothing to be concerned over. Keep on trucking Simon! This is my favorite series of yours

[@Ulujmf]

A cheater

[@HighlyCruciferous]

It's a sad state of affairs when a decent untitled player can't play a good, strong game (not that any of his moves were amazingly inspired) whithout being immediately suspected of cheating. Anyway, good video, as always.

[@laurentbalague8546]

it is sad for this decent player to play the game of his life on chess.com. If he is able to make 97,5% in a "real" tournament, he would be very good and probably much better than 2200 (which is a decent rating, let's admit that). The problem is that everything is anonymous on internet (apart from Simon Williams and some other guys) and that a very good performance can always be suspected. 97,5% is very suspicious.

[@HighlyCruciferous]

Because Simon reported him and they probably didn't look into it any more diligently than that. Of course, I understand Simon's frustration at encountering so many cheating sods when he's trying to record instructional and entertaining videos for us. As I said, it's a sad state of affairs. Thankfully, Simon's videos are always a pleasure to watch regardless.

[@HighlyCruciferous]

@laurent balagué You shouldn't obsess over those percentages. It's just a gimmick that chess.com decided to feature. First of all, it does not accurately determine the accuracy level that each player displayed (how ironic), because the engine is not given the time to proprely analyse the game. And secondly, it depends greatly on the nature of the positions. If it's not a complicated tactical game, then a decent player can get a high percentage if he is familiar with the positional themes. I am rated under 2100 Fide and I've obtained a 99% accuracy in certain blitz games. It's really not very relevant.

[@laurentbalague8546]

@@HighlyCruciferous All right for the percentage. But one other thing is that that guy played quite fast and did not commit any mistake (because he did not and that is a fact whatever you think about the percentage).

[@HighlyCruciferous]

He played several suboptimal moves. For example, exchanging queens was a very human approach, but far from best according to the engine. And in general I think his play had a very logical feel to it from a human perspective. He didn't blunder, but why should he have ? He got a nice advantage out of the opening and Black didn't pose any serious problems to his conversion. I could be wrong, but if he was banned on the sole basis of this game, that seems quite unjustified.

[@JAIGOLOKASW]

Everyone cheats

[@borislavivanov5281]

What’s wrong with using an engine to win?

[@protoolshiphop4977]

What's wrong with someone using an engine to win is that they're using an engine to win. That's that.

[@sheledon3272]

Because it's player versus player. Not player versus computer

[@backyard282]

Do you have a contract with chess.com that forces you to keep playing long games there, because I do think that you are aware that 90% of long games you play here are cheaters.

[@meathead919]

Lol what a terrible cheater

[@lukacalov1988]

This was clearly a cheater with only 20 at puzzle rush and every move is the best move...yeah right who is he Kasparov?