Dragon Ball Power Scaling's Biggest Lie

#dragonball #anime #goku #powerscaling #dbz
Dragon Ball power scaling is currently being plagued by a terrible argument that makes every character from Goku to even Bulma, far more powerful than they actually are. Today, I expose this lie and discuss why is it not true.

[@lonkstakes]

Dragonball Fans when you tell them the Earth is the size of the Earth

[@abhijeetgolder7535]

Ok first of all I didn't think that power scaler used his word to scale earth size. SECOND arale is canon in db doesn't means his world also exist in db . And I think the busting solar system is equivalent to destroying galaxy comes from daizenshu where solar system is stated as collection of countless stars.

[@lonkstakes]

@@abhijeetgolder7535 People have genuinely asked me why I dont use "arale planet scaling". Its a very real belief people have unfortunately

[@abhijeetgolder7535]

@@lonkstakes arale planet scalling comes from someone else not from the guy you used in video . And it's not even that big in that scalling it is 2 or 3 times big only. Even one piece earth is 2 times of real earth. And I don't even care on what is earth size cause at 10 k power lvl you can evaporate any size planet or any amount of planet ( only if you have ki reserve )

[@Agent-57]

Tell that to One Piece fans.

[@Agent-57]

Also Arale's multi solar meta is very recent and unnesscary. If you are using anime version then we litreally see a explosion big enough to been outside of a galaxy in Namek saga. And the guides pretty much make a solar system its own galaxy

[@user-yv3ke7mg2l]

i think the argument against the guy whos named Doctor Stupid works, its like using Hercules statement in GT about Goku being unbeatable completely serious and using it in vs arguments.

[@XD_ist]

I’m gonna start using that in troll arguments now lol

[@francisco65372]

In Death Battle they used Videl as a source of why heaven and hell are the same size (it should, but still funny that the source is Videl)

[@user-yv3ke7mg2l]

@@francisco65372 They had to because people were gonna bitch about it. Its insane how some people straight up think Videl and Bulma, characters who know nothing about the actual db verse cosmology, people think that they know more than Batman who has canonically kept track of DC's literal endless multiverse that is still growing.

[@XD_ist]

@@francisco65372 LOLLLLLLL

[@BROKEN_1212]

​@@francisco65372if I am correct, hell is actually bigger than heaven in db

[@coolpig3859]

Goku is Boundless+ because he came out of my manga to punch me when I said this chapter is mid

[@shmelzy82]

what if instead of boundless+ goku was freaky+ and starting sucking on friezas 3 foot long “tail”? find out on the next episode of freaky ball Z!

[@subzero8520]

“Hey it’s me! Goku!”

[@rj.b8218]

That makes you boundless also. U must be OP. 😂

[@JUICE-BOXALT0]

Rimuru isn't even Boundless and Rimuru could beat Goku so you just lying😂😂😂

[@fizbutreal]

@@JUICE-BOXALT0no way dude said this over a joke comment u must be tripping

[@owenbridgers]

I genuinely have never heard this idea of the Planet being That huge oh my god what?? How do people think that..?

[@lonkstakes]

I wish I knew bro

[@revenantronin8377]

I'd just watched a DBZ Gohan vs Cosmic Garou video where Toasted(?) made that very argument. So when I saw this video pop up, I knew where this was going.

[@coffin_sinu6869]

​@@revenantronin8377 I saw that too. It's really stupid to use this type of arguments without knowing all the details.

[@gabrielsalahi3656]

Yea I’ve been in the Powerscaling scene for many years and have heard PLENTY of stupid arguments for Goku low balls and High balls but…. NEVER that the Earth was so big wtf

[@BrandonScott-mi5pz]

EXCELLENT WORK. LONK'S TAKES DRAGON BALL POWER ⛮ SCALING,

[@weeaboo-warrior]

THANK YOU! People just rush to highball without actually reading Dr. Slump. This was a much needed video.

[@lonkstakes]

Just trying to do my part for the community!

[@8bitutopia182]

But Lonk, I need to glaze Goku! I guess I’ll just rely on King Piccolo stating he will feel infinite power when he regains his youth.

[@Billyblue98]

Goku gets beyond infinite power, and so does Piccolo Junior, and they still lose to Raditz What a time to be alive

[@MightyCole1]

cell:

[@francisco65372]

In a lost media dub for a latin american country says that, so it must be true

[@jpraise6771]

Powerscaling is all you DB fans have at this point😂 the story and world building is worse than fucking fairy tail💀

[@Dragonjack66]

@@jpraise6771 you've obviously not watched dragon ball z, Goku's path to power and his accepting of his saiyan nature was the peak of his character development Goku going from refusing to being a saiyan, to "I'm a saiyan! From earth!", to "I AM THE SUPER SAIYAN, SON GOKU" is obvious character progression for a flat character. The Goku bad dad argument is ass as well he actively says that Gohan can study all he wants and misunderstanding your son isn't a sign of a bad dad either, in fact blame Gohan for not telling Goku that. Piccolo and Vegeta obviously have character development, and have peak moments as a side affect of that said development. As for the world building, go watch one piece for peak world building. Sure DB doesn't have the best world building in the world, in all of fucking anime, but I personally didn't find it too bad, then again this is your opinion so eh, doesn't matter to me.

[@kazanshin4108]

An even clearer thing to note, Doctor Umashika's name is written "Uma" - Horse + "Shika" - Deer. The two kanji together form "Baka", the very same one that means "stupid". This is not even an homophone, that is how the word is spelled. His name is *literally* Professor Stupid.

[@tackytack]

Thanks for mentioning that the moment is anime exclusive near the end there. As a big Dr. Slump fan, I was like “yeah that’s from arale-chan only so it wouldn’t be canon regardless”

[@OskarL47]

This is what pisses me off the most about power scaling. People take random lines from characters from a series they haven't even watched and consider it fact without context. It's really hard for these people to understand that you shouldn't take some texts seriously

[@yuwannaknownodrip5079]

Welcome to scaling

[@ultrascarlet5275]

Powerscalers when hyperbole exists:

[@veryangryboi4128]

Bleach fans in a nutshell

[@DaquanHarrison]

Sonic powerscalers in a nutshell.

[@ashuraomega1000]

Sonic and Saitama powerscalers in particular are criminal of this

[@RandomName-xx9ls]

I never understood why other db fans even use dr slump like the cosmology is still crazy without needing to wank it that hard. They wanna use evidence from a gag manga but do t wanna know shit about the other world or the inf timelines

[@ashuraomega1000]

The Dr Slump statements and cosmology are mostly used in DBZ vs OPM debates

[@RandomName-xx9ls]

@@ashuraomega1000 it’s so stupid cause even without dr slump goku beats saitama, namek had 3 dwarf stars orbiting it and king cold said it was a small and pathetic planet. It’s just an easy way out of an argument for them ig…

[@daymianhogue1634]

I've never heard this argument before. If anything I've heard the opposite and people reference King Cold calling earth a small planet...

[@lonkstakes]

I mean. The earth IS a small planet

[@gabrielsalahi3656]

Same

[@Random33390]

​@@lonkstakes can you make a video of OPM cosmology? There's a new chapter 260 that kinda tells us what genos said was true but I never got a detailed explanation

[@MartezAnims]

King Cold has seen all the Universe has to offer, of course Earth is small in comparison tbf.

[@daymianhogue1634]

@@lonkstakes agreed. But I've heard some people try to use that King Cold statement to try and BS say Saiyan Saga Vegeta is like moon level and Roshi is like meteor level. Because the earth/moon in Dragonball is "small" Like huh?!? I've never heard anyone talk about that Dr Slump quote.

[@PrinceVoider]

Dragon ball cosmology honestly needs some explaining for me. Absolute w video btw, I've seen only a couple people use these arguments so far.

[@lonkstakes]

People were trying to tell me that "no one has ever used that argument before", so im glad at least someone besides me has seen it

[@godspeedforce9371]

Oh, it has been used before​@@lonkstakes

[@axiom6000]

@@lonkstakesDo you think you’ll respond to outerversal Dragonball?

[@Tomsupreme2022]

@@lonkstakes no no tons of people use this now ever since the ssjryu1 db cosmology video

[@mathiewi8020]

weird how this video comes out after a certain cell saga gohan vs cosmic power garou video that upscales cell saga gohan…

[@lonkstakes]

This video was not made in response to any specific video I promise

[@sev9258]

I noticed that too

[@slinux8420]

Yeah dead ass the only time I heard that argument was in that video lmao

[@revenantronin8377]

​@@slinux8420 same, and I watched it today 😂

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

Yeah I saw that video, couldn't take it seriously and people in the comment section unironically think that goku is High Outerversal. Zeno isn't even above Time yet Goku transcends Platonic Concepts and Dimensionality?? Suck my balls mate that ain't happening.

[@mamabriel7701]

I only say it once with someone that was trying to scale kid Goku to SOLAR SYSTEM level

[@dash_ic5009]

He got defeated by a car.

[@thebestcakegoku7346]

@@dash_ic5009 when?

[@dash_ic5009]

@@thebestcakegoku7346 The db fans don't watch their own show as seen here. It was during a tournament but I don't wanna spoiler which. It's in Dragon Ball

[@ecapark55]

@@thebestcakegoku7346 in the original Dragon Ball series in the 22 tournament

[@MegaDrainProductions]

I like to imagine Penguin Village is another hyperpolic time chamber type place on Earth. You cross a certain threshold and you appear in Penguin Village/that version of Earth.

[@Skips10]

Where did the Earth statement come from 😂

[@lonkstakes]

Which one lmao

[@xigabrelless1980]

Huh this is the first time im hearing this, imma a goku glazer but this is ridiculous

[@alejandrocuevas3858]

Bros the messiah of powerscailing

[@lonkstakes]

I wouldnt say that but thank you😅

[@Cam10_84]

I literally just saw the post that probably sparked this video. I honestly didn't know people actually brought this up.

[@jackshiffner1495]

We love you lonk! Don't let underperformed videos get you down!

[@lonkstakes]

It helps me lock in fr

[@AshyMuted]

Dr. Slump is one of the most unserious series ever, leave it to power scalers to take it at face value.

[@animoments8969]

People always say stuff like popeye solos,spongebob solos,buggs bunny solos. Hell when the one punch man manga came out and barely had any feats, people were saying saitama beats goku because hes a gag character.

[@THEbbqsause]

Maybe it’s just me but I feel like power scaling gags takes out the point that it’s a gag

[@Scalerlord]

Dr slump is created by toryama.He can make DB characters beat his own gag characters. IT doesnt mean beerus can erase gag characters from different writters​@@animoments8969

[@ashuraomega1000]

It has been argued that gag characters can't really be scaled in the traditional sense because their "feats" aren't meant to be taken seriously and can't work in a hypothetical matchup analysis because their toon force abilities can't work outside the context of an actual story

[@Billyblue98]

I have never even heard this argument before, lmfao My first introduction to it was this video debunking it That's glorious

[@lonkstakes]

I'm glad lmao

[@slinux8420]

The only time I did was yesterday in a toasterXD video. Don't think I ever heard Geekdom, Seth, or anyone who covers Dragon Ball mentioned that. Probably cause most people don't connect Dr. Slump with dragon ball.

[@thedevilsleutice]

@@lonkstakesyeah I’ve never heard as earth as a big planet? I’ve always heard to it as a small planet with Namek and Planet Vegeta being bigger than our son? Which isn’t even that big in comparable to the rest of the solar system.

[@Mr_Muda_Himself]

I haven’t even heard about this, people actually un ironically thought the world was 100,00 times larger than normal.

[@DarkEclipse23]

I just assumed the earth was earth sized. 👀 the only lee way is Namek being relative to Earth is the only theory.

[@LBTVGAMES]

Not gonna lie I’ve always heard that earth is earth sized in Dragon Ball

[@michaelfr6290]

Thank you for clearing things up 💯

[@aliesterus1.023]

I wasn't even aware this was a thing. And things like this are why I like what's been happening over in Spacebattles the past couple of years, where people directly state the scaling or calc they're using so they can shave time off debates spent arguing on the canonicity and accuracy.

[@unnamedx2]

I actually never heard this argument before, at most what i heard was that regular sized planets on db were bigger than our regular sized planets but db earth was still the same as our but a small planet for db

[@fd2315]

There is also a Large Planet lvl calc for the DB earth on reddit which I generally think makes sense. It's based on the statement in the Manga that Roshi's Island is 10,000km away made by Krillin or Yamcha I think and also the statement by Mercenary Tao that The Red Ribbon Army HQ and Korin's Sanctuary are 2,300km appart, which is also stated by the narrator Anyway, I always knew that the Dr Slump statement was bs and I'm glad that someone finally went over it.

[@TheDevilFox.]

I've seen plenty of power scaling videos and this is LITERALLY the first time seeing someone using that Dr. Slump's Earth size power scaling ANYWHERE, so that is something that started being "common" to power scale like yesterday or its something clearly very new that I managed to somehow dodge those the type of videos

[@Shadow-Astro69]

Earth was actually stated to be a small planet in db...

[@lonkstakes]

Earth IS a small planet

[@Shadow-Astro69]

@@lonkstakes yup

[@BROKEN_1212]

Namek is also considered to be a small planet ☠️

[@Shadow-Astro69]

@@BROKEN_1212 uh hell no

[@BROKEN_1212]

@@Shadow-Astro69 see the anime lol It was mentioned

[@jimiafolabi8016]

Thank you Lonk. I was wondering what was the full context of Dr Slump’s Earth size.

[@rj.b8218]

I guess they caught this mind virus from one piece fans.

[@user-yd2dj4lj1s]

Thank you for addressing this.

[@KJynd]

But "can they beat goku?"

[@caindain2179]

This meme is soooooo fucking old

[@alibeknorbekov5963]

​@@caindain2179 and it's still funny

[@shmelzy82]

@@alibeknorbekov5963 “thank god I escaped my abusive ex i feel so strong no-“ *Son Goku:*

[@alibeknorbekov5963]

@@shmelzy82 "how strong are we talking here" -Goku xD

[@nakyearns]

​@@alibeknorbekov5963 yeah, if you're teething

[@Tomsupreme2022]

Yo just finished the video and I really liked how you explained how the "new meta" of db scaling just doesn't work at all.

[@lonkstakes]

Yeah. Sometimes its fine not trying to make the characters as strong as humanly possible

[@Tomsupreme2022]

@@lonkstakes yeah same here

[@Warlord-dc5un]

I never knew dragonball fans/powerscalers actually think Earth is bigger than our own especially to such a degree....

[@dnomight_absoluton994]

I agree with most of your points within the video but I do have one statement on one of your point's. Using Akira Toriyama interview statements must always (in my opinion) be taken with a grain of salt. No disrespect to him or his work but he did have a consistent issue with forgetting a lot of big details in his own stories. He had forgotten ssj2 and the saiyans having tails or being great apes. I am not saying that the character who said the earth statement is 100% right. What I am saying is that it is totally in the realm of possibility (though not likely) that Toriyama could have intended that and just forgot.

[@ashuraomega1000]

I had never heard of this scaling for Dr Slump and DBZ before ToasterXD's Gohan vs Cosmic Garou video in all honesty. I thought the logic behind using this stuff for DBZ was kinda wonky so thanks for clearing this up.

I never heard someone talking about this though. The scalling is usually with statements. Cell kamehameha was said to be able to destroy a solar system. While if Moro exploded he would destroy the whole universe 7, while goku at that time had more ki and strengh than him. This is db real scalling, the universe is really like glass to them. And char like krillin in cell saga could easily destroy planets because they were strongger than final form frieza (and the first form could easily destroy a planet). But the video is really interesting, I never thought about if the db earth was the same as ours.

[@TekTheNinja]

I would actually very much argue Doctor Slump isn't directly canon to Dragon Ball. It's only canon in a "Don't think about it too hard how this fits together" sort of way.

[@SonZackSSJ9k]

Fr, listen I love Dragon Ball but I always knew the OG Dragon Ball scaling was never that wacky.

[@NonAryanDuck]

Everyone's uploading bangers today 🙏🙏

[@lonkstakes]

Who else uploaded today, I need stuff to watch

[@mrme.484]

@@lonkstakesTylerned SSJB respect video I guess

[@rodthedigger2902]

Great video!

[@hystor1c]

I dont think ANYONE uses the slump meta as a means to upscale the verse. You also read that Toriyama statement wrong. He says the pole can stretch to AT LEAST 380,000 km. Meaning its the bare minimum. Doesn't mean there isnt an upscale.

[@JadoBouhzam]

Yeah man hystoric would love to see your opinion on this argument can we apply aralr scaling to modern dragon ball or not

[@lonkstakes]

People absolutely do use it to upscale dragonball, I literally show a screenshot of someone doing it?

[@thegodofsaiyans535]

First off, i literally have seen a recent vídeo of a KZbinr i follow and has Thousands of followers using that Scan. Secondly, the statement is literally saying the distance between the Earth and the Moon is 380000km, Go read It again. How is It Possible for Earth to be 100000 times bigger and arguably the Moon too, and still Only being that small of a distance? Bruh If Earth was that Big It would have a gravity/mass Higher Than the Sun, and therefore would disintegrate a moon that was so close.

[@hystor1c]

@@thegodofsaiyans535 again that's not exactly what he's saying. pipe down buddy. He's saying the distance IS AT LEAST, meaning that's the bare minimum distance. My claim was never that the upscale to 100,000x was correct. i said there is still an upscale. The entire universe is upscaled gng so you nitpicking and trying to have a gotcha moment about the sun falls flat too💀

[@planetbirthday6859]

I saw a vid yesterday about Gohan vs garou that uses the slump meta

[@Senic-ly6yq]

This is a great video and im sure it cleared up a lot of the confusion with goku scalers, keep up the good work.

[@Aquinta0]

I’m a guy who uses DR slump to scale Goku to outer But even I knew that that statement was bs for most of these reasons I was debating this with a DB goon and his only alibi was “there has never been another statement for the db size”

[@rednaxela5960]

Can you do goku vs saitama in an oiled up twerk off? Do base goku, ssj2, ssg and ui of course, and the diff of each form vs saitama

[@crossovanon3401]

Never mess with DB fans We don’t know how to read This statement has never felt more true

[@Crow_Rising]

The fanbase generally doesn't understand how the power scaling works in the series anyway. They ignore things like the fundamentals Goku learned in the original series and all the statements and very specific and direct plot points about how raw strength isn't everything, and instead they just obsess over raw numbers and multipliers as if Toriyama was just constantly doing the math for every single moment of every single fight in the series to determine the outcomes of everything. There are specific instances in which he does do some math to align things with the plotline of the time, but it's not an overarching thing and it's not as wide sweeping as many people in the fanbase would have you believe. For instance, Toriyama does state in an interview that Super Saiyan is a 50 times multiplier... When Goku uses it the first time on Namek. He never says anything anywhere about every single usage of the SSJ1 form being a 50 times multiplier, and there's multiple instances of this clearly not being the case throughout the series. There's instances of characters clearly being more or less than 50 times stronger, and other instances in which their SSJ1 and SSJ2 forms are outright stated to be pretty close to identical. The whole point of power levels getting introduced when Raditz showed up at the beginning of Z was for Raditz and a number of characters after him to have smug confidence in their certain victory due to their bigger number, only to have that preconceived notion shattered. Quite literally the first fight in Z is Raditz with his higher power level getting defeated by Goku and Piccolo working together and outsmarting him. It's made painfully clear that neither one of them had the strength to beat him alone, but through teamwork they are able to overcome his raw power. There's other things that get around sheer power as well such as characters having weaknesses that can be exploited (For example, for most Saiyans if they haven't trained to avoid it, their tail is a weakness that can be used to render them nearly powerless), different power sets that ignore power level entirely such as magic and technology, etc. There is a certain degree of underlying truth to some of the ideas the fanbase has about power level, but they generally stopped getting tracked after the Cell saga for a reason. They were introduced to be a preconceived notion to shatter, and were generally phased out as soon as Toriyama was done fulfilling that purpose thoroughly. Cell himself is basically the living embodiment of everything the group had been through up to that point, power level included, and Gohan alone was able to surpass him while barely even able to move and with one hand much like how his father once used only one hand to defeat Demon King Piccolo. Even the fight between Super Saiyan Goku and Full Power Freeza on Namek is a perfect outline of exactly how much more important core balance is than raw numbers. Freeza is a character that never trained a day in his life. Raw power is the only thing he has, the only thing that allows him to bully everyone he comes across. When Goku achieves Super Saiyan and Freeza raises himself to full power, the difference between them in regards to raw power level isn't actually all that different. Goku's power level is only a little bit higher than Freeza's, relatively speaking. Yet, Goku still has very little difficulty in overpowering Freeza and his bigger concern is finding a way off the planet in time. He drops the disrespect on Freeza hardcore, looking down on him and treating him as a minor nuisance. He warns him about how beating him is hopeless and he should rethink his ways, and in general just really hammers in how superior he is in that moment, something that enrages Freeza immensely. The reason for this massive gap between the two of them is because Goku isn't just all about raw power. He's a grandmaster with fantastic inner balance. He's not only a seasoned martial artist with insane battle skills and smarts, but even despite the fact that SSJ is a rage based transformation he's actually mastered his inner mentality to the point that he's generally calm and in control of himself rather than going berserk. The power of transformations hasn't yet completely gone to his head and inflated his ego to the point of shattering his balance, and so the gap between him and Freeza who has nothing but power is immense despite the raw numbers being so close to the same. It's something that almost everyone in the fanbase overlooks because of this obsession with raw power levels they're consumed with. Even when characters continually point out how raw power isn't everything and it gets brought up over and over and over how inner balance is more important even recently in Super, everyone still keeps chanting the religion of power is everything. It's almost maddening. The whole "Dragon Ball fans don't even watch their own show" meme really does feel true when you watch the power scaling side of the community at work.

[@determination982]

That was the first time i've heard about this absurd argument lol

[@sergantanthony216]

I have never heard this ever.

[@no.35pedrosolis37]

I actually never heard of that statement, until now obviously.

[@seanao32]

Bruh just watched the vid of CFG vs Gohan, that dr slump scaling sounded like bs

[@kazem_]

i did hear this argument a lot of times and i didn't actually believe it lol

[@JustSomeGokuEnjoyer2]

DB Fans trying not to push an agenda to make Goku stronger than he is challenge(impossible)

[@lightinthedark-hw1qd]

Cool video, for i got 1 slight problem in the anime of dragon ball we have seen planets ith stats orbiting them

[@spriggylotus4476]

Literally nobody says this "argument" lol. I've never heard it before.

[@lonkstakes]

Then you are very lucky

[@marcus7984]

People definitely say that

[@Kelps.mp4]

I have.

[@joshh1740]

So you’ve never seen Middle Track? Might be lucky

[@axiom6000]

I’ve heard this

[@Clyde975]

I've never heard this argument

[@TheYulverick]

… people taking scenes out of context??? Noooo that’s crazy Lonk, next you’ll tell me they are making terms like Gaslighting up 😂 Thanks for covering this though, I never heard this one actually I guess I prefer quality scaling.

[@burkettnathan822]

Just so people know if Earth wqs 100,000 times bigger with the same composition and the same weight per cubic meter as our real one it would collaspe into a black hole within 5 minuted. This is becuase stars on average are less weight per cubic inch that smaller celestial bodies. The gravity of an earth like planet with a circumference of 4,000,000,000 miles would be 2.426 x10^30 m/s^2.

[@luisgenioli7779]

please i would like to know how much weight the dragon ball characters can lift

[@user-fo8ey1ix6f]

Are you ever going to have a discussion/debate with people who have this view?

[@lonkstakes]

They are welcome to join my discord server

[@nk_worldz6667]

I have never heard this statement and I talk Dragon Ball vs a lot of

[@OverlyEpux]

How do you reconcile Granolah's wish to be the strongest vs Arale existing in the verse? Pretty much everyone Granolah tier and up gets outerversal scaling from that

[@Somefricking]

😂

[@SonZackSSJ9k]

I doubt it would include Gag Characters because being the strongest isn’t a gag unless your Saitama.

[@OverlyEpux]

@@SonZackSSJ9k goku was originally a gag character

[@SonZackSSJ9k]

@@OverlyEpux keyword, originallly, not anymore

[@OverlyEpux]

@@SonZackSSJ9k prove that he is no longer a gag character

[@zacbrown3797]

*goku if the planet was 100x bigger* "woah king kai, 10x gravity is nothing because the gravity on earth is 10x this!!"

[@Lego_vegeta]

Dragon ball cosmology video coming soon?

[@lonkstakes]

I dont think it needs much explaining aside from the fact that the earth is not 100,000 times larger than our earth

[@SCARLET_DEMON-KING_OF_DARKNESS]

​@@lonkstakesI have heard about galaxies being as large as universes but never heard earth was 100000 bigger

[@Kelps.mp4]

@@lonkstakes Maybe talk about the High Outer cosmology thing, would've been cool.

[@theultimateawesome5516]

But how will I glaze Goku now?

[@lonkstakes]

Idk, use second form frieza's universal statement or something

[@spriggylotus4476]

Watch Seth's "End of Z Goku" video

[@MightyCole1]

cell having infinite ki?

[@ecapark55]

That’s the neat part, you don’t

[@user-adrsilva123]

Yo Lonk Takes Next Video Please do Homelander vs Guts From Berserk!

[@juliesnovachrono7522]

Bro, who thought this!?😭💀

[@thegodofsaiyans535]

Good video, i rejected this before citing the Toriyama interview about the distance of the moon. Now can you talk about the argument that Arale is 5d and she scales to Beerus? This is in reference to her feat of rewriting the story as a piece o paper. Do you agree with it or not?

[@lonkstakes]

I have yet to come to a full opinion about it. Arale and dimensional scaling in general is very messy.

[@thegodofsaiyans535]

@@lonkstakes Me too. I have been for years trying to keep Dragon Ball Super capped at Low Multiversal and Below Immesurable Speed, because i wanna be reasonable. But If i can't debunk an upscale like that, then i guess i Just gotta upgrade the verse.

[@thomasthecoolkid7228]

Being a gag character in Dragon Ball is treated as this absolute hax that no amount of raw power can beat, and this is in a verse where raw power tends to beat hax. Beerus had to be specifically stated to be immune to gags.

[@thegodofsaiyans535]

@@thomasthecoolkid7228 He was stated to be immune to Arales gags. As Well as being able to Hakai her.

[@thomasthecoolkid7228]

@@thegodofsaiyans535 Yes, but my point still stands. Arale would be absolutely slammed by Goku and Vegeta... if not for being a gag character.

[@TakeshiInazuma]

I now pose a question for you as well, Lonk's Tales... Where did Galactic Patrolman Jaco take place? From what we gather, it's a place that is never seen in Dragon Ball on the other side of the world. Where ththey don't use Zeni, but Yen. Also, like Dr. SLUMP, Tokunoshin Omori comes from a place that has surnames. A thing that besides Goku, no one has in the Dragon Ball world. Where would it be?

[@thebestcakegoku7346]

ooh good question

[@DustSans908]

yippe it’s that time of the day to go back to the power scaling community only to instantly realize why the fuck I hate it because of the toxic debates and go back to playing ulc and ufs

[@Monkes23]

I wasn't even aware of those 'statements,' tied to Dr Slump, I knew people used Dr Slump for OTHER scaling, but I didn't even know people actually used such a vague statement for their argument, did the calculations for it. Start of DBZ Goku with a power level of 416 is able to exert 3.1404144 × 10^45 joules of energy, that is GALAXY busting feats JUST for the plane alone, I get why people would use this as a wank.

[@marcperkins9559]

" see you in dragon ball ( if it comes out" It came out and we seen you..

[@Hatsune_mikuxX]

I never heard of this the hell were people smoking

[@OyinkansolaAgboola]

The dr slumo thing is very fishy to me and i don't really use that for scaling at all

[@jruler93]

I haven't seen this garbage, but it's honestly kinda funny. I have been seeing people saying the likes of Raditz or Nappa could've destroyed the Earth because Frieza and King Cold say Earth is a "small planet", which they somehow take to mean that you _don't_ need a power level of 10,000 to blow it up.

[@TriedYan]

I must’ve been living under a rock when everyone was saying db earth is bigger than real earth but it must’ve been getting out of hand if bro need a whole video for it

[@animeboy200p2]

This is the type dragon fans that cool who actually truthful and watch the show without using exaggerating statement said by character

[@Brayxedit]

I still using this in my power scaled edits

[@Neutral_Mario]

Goku should just oil up.

[@shmelzy82]

Goku needs to get freaky with Frieza for multiple months straight in the time chamber or im retiring my dragon ball fan status (or with Vegeta)

[@UnlimitedRadioButNoSoap]

next video in my feed was toasterxd's video that uses this lol

[@smallmightdeku]

You should do Natsu vs Saiyan Saga Goku, Natsu in 100 years quest has gotten to the point he could honestly beat Saiyan Saga Goku and possibly Namek Saga Goku

[@Dimumouto]

Dragon Ball fans taking single lines of dialogue out of context can only happen on days that end in 'day', especially non-canon, anime only/anime filler stuff. I'm still amazed people take the 'Goku is [insert any number here] times faster than light' argument seriously still, need to get working on that project myself lol.

[@Cars69433]

Goku is trillions of times faster than the concept of time, and he is boundless.

[@ty.shota23]

Apperently they upscaled frieza up to galaxy level in the namek saga

[@joshh1740]

Most of them put Namek Frieza to high universal because of the statements.

[@metal42]

​@@Skkiathat's not the entire north quadrant, that was just a galaxy. Namek does not reside in the north quadrant

[@Skkia]

@@metal42 I guess That was a fake scan My bad Edits it's not It's south quadrant

[@UnlimitedRadioButNoSoap]

i know there's astronomical arguments like: 10k battle power doesn't refer to earth because it's considered a small planet; cell is a galaxy buster because solar system is a misnomer; and south galaxy is an entire quadrant of the universe, so broli is at least ¼ universal but this is news to me

[@MwateKawanje-uh9su]

Well that's dope.

[@onyx6774]

I do believe Dr.slump and DB does share a universe. Penguin Village even appeared in the Official Map which...is official (You cant deny it) And metropolis not appearing in it. Akira being Akira probably forgot about it Lol But in all seriousness, it was probably retconned or not important enough to mention. (And to be fair if you look at the official map, there are places that are not named like those places close to penguin village, so its probably in the map they just dont mention it) She even helped Goku beat general Blue in the manga. so yea i do believe they share a universe.

[@wafallhut]

It’s me dongugs bingle from dragon ball

[@blankblank6214]

I thought this might be more how super redefine what a universe is seeing as we don't see a kioshin realm floating outside of it making that one picture of the dragon ball universe no longer cannon or accurate at least

[@lonkstakes]

That diagram is a not-to-scale model and is not meant to be taken 100% literally

[@blankblank6214]

@lonkstakes it doesn't need to be to scale at all it's more about whether the kioshin realm is inside or outside because if it's inside that lowers gokus power from multiversal to universe plus by the time ssgod shows up

[@Munchycrunch456]

@@blankblank6214it wouldn’t as the afterlife is still many universes in size even while downplaying. Heaven alone is the size of a universe yet can disappear in the sky’s of the afterlife think about that.

[@blankblank6214]

@Munchycrunch456 yet there are what 16 universes all with there own afterlife and kioshin realm which would make it so 1 macro cosme = 1 universe in dragon ball terms so for goku to be multiversal he would need to clash in a was that threatens a next door universe in any way

[@blankblank6214]

@Munchycrunch456 not necessarily if 1 marocosm is equal to 1 universe in size that means it mean all those infinite space constructs are located inside that infinite size construct occupying the same place because they are 1 in the same place aka 1 universe in size than the dragon ball universe being 1 0f 16 meaning for goku to be multiversal he would need to be able to affect multiple universes at 1 time seeing as that's what was effectively needed to take out infinite zamasu something not even berrus said he could do

[@LostStudios73]

So this is the usual people taking things out of context to fit their agenda, so many people do this 😭

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

Amazing video mate, those arfumenrs are honestly so annoying, this video helps put into words why its so wrong that i could never do myself.

[@springtrap360sniper4]

Here come the flood gates....

[@lonkstakes]

Hopefully, the people need to learn

[@ImTheStrongest]

Yeah, no one has used Dr. Slum statement against me. But recently, I've watched a video on Sailormoon scaling above Goku by the KZbinr Tempest and there were some people saying he scaled Goku wrong and where using Dr. Slum statements. I stayed out of it. Not my knowledge area.

[@fitnessstuff915]

1. speaking about bad righting. in the bog movie... five "pure" hearted saiyans? three are half half humans and goku and vegeta like to beat up children. can someone explain to me how are these are people "pure"? 2. can goku breathe in space yet? because saitama, cosmos garou, blast and empty void can. 🤭 3. also, i tried to change my login password to son goku, but youtube, reddit, and tiktok said its too weak. what's up with that?

[@Monkes23]

Everyone is fodder to Monaka.

[@broggy52]

1, ye, bad writing Lol what is the argument on 2? That toriyama decided to use lungs correctly? And Saitama was holding his breath, Garou and EV were just given hax 3, lol

[@fitnessstuff915]

@@broggy52 so... you can spell and read. that's good to know. now try answering the questions. 🤭 pure hearted saiyans, etc.

[@broggy52]

@@fitnessstuff915 i just did, you got that right, bad writing

[@ultrainstinctgokuhope7442]

Yea, also, we admit arael slam comp dragon ball

[@romansantos2323]

yeah idk honestly take it as u will there's clearly inconsistency sure but at the end of the day its still valid

[@uzookafor8721]

You have a point 🤔

[@IssakPlayz]

In all of the powescallinh videos that ived watched never had this issue. Atlesst that's considering the fact that I paid full attention

[@Tempest1018]

Good shi