Lord of the Rings Commits Mary Sue-icide - War Of The Rohirrim REVIEW

Lord of the Rings: War of the RoHERrim. One Girl Boss to Rule Them All.
I was really looking forward to this, turns out it's nothing but a rights retaining disappointment.
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[@motorwaffle6700]

The girlbossing is just a symptom. Look at the synopsis that describes Hera as "leading a resistance." Rohan is not "the resistance." They are the power in the land backed by the world's mightiest nation. If anything, the Dunlandings are the resistance/uprising. But modern writers cannot fathom that. It is actually inconceivable for them to make a story where the good people in charge have to fight someone not in power trying to overthrow them. The protagonist MUST be framed as the oppressed party, even when that makes no sense.

[@Theseus9-cl7ol]

It’s woke Communism ideology, it’s all about “oppressor and the oppressed”.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

yeah it gave me Star Woors new trilogy vibes, with the "resistence" aka what should be a detachment of repubblic military forces fighting against the First Order.

[@SkaerKrow]

100% this. Probably because being oppressed is very fashionable to those who have no self awareness.

[@jonashormann5700]

Great point

[@Morten_Storvik]

She literally is leading a resistance. Any defending force in a siege is a resistance. And if an enemy has usurped your seat of power and have you backed into a cornor where you are running out of supplies is in fact being oppressed.

[@bloodrunsclear]

"Kings built tombs more splendid than the houses of the living and counted the names of their descent dearer than the names of their sons. Childless lords sat in aged halls musing on heraldry or in high cold towers asking questions of the stars. And so the kingdom of Gondor sank into ruin, the line of kings failed, the white tree withered and the rule of Gondor was given over to lesser men." - Return of the King, J.R.R Tolkien

[@patchkerrigan1803]

No better analogy than that.

[@angelalewis3645]

💯

[@GeraltofRivia22]

And Tolkien was even considering a follow up to Lord of the Rings where Gondor once again declines under Aragorn's grandson. Seems prophetic, looking at Simon Tolkien

[@Jelsick]

Prophecy

[@SpectatingBystander]

This a complete explanation to the degenerate cesspool state of the world

[@pilgrimogorson9435]

Everyone: "Why would they put a redhead girl named HERA as the main character?" Me looking at the screenwriter, a redhead girl with Greek name: "Who knows..."

[@charlessapp1835]

@@pilgrimogorson9435 Technically Hera is Anglo Saxon. Overall I do agree. They had a great movie on their hands. and they made it bad. They are like General Bragg in his Kentucky campaign. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

[@throatwobblermangrove8510]

@@charlessapp1835 Actually, Hera is technically Greek, from Ἥρα (Hḗra).

[@kauetadaieski3131]

​@@charlessapp1835Hera the wife of Zeus

[@wolfgangparnell9983]

Not Black ?!?!

[@RhysCallinan-hf7qx]

Exactly. It's Greek. But hey, according to them all white people are the same.

[@itsame8057]

The arrogance of these people who try and be better then Tolkien by pretending their own made up stories somehow fit in his legendarium is awe inspiring in its scope.

[@angelalewis3645]

🎯💥

[@rafaelalves4770]

exactly

[@Joshpox]

I don't see a problem with that. It's not like we stopped making Oz stories without L Frank Baum's approval.

[@alexmiller6955]

Awe inspiring in its cope .. with reality.

[@alexmiller6955]

​​@@JoshpoxIf only some quality or respect for the original themes was in the recent garbage, I might agree with you.

[@Sousabird]

It's kind of crazy how they never did anything with LotR after the Jackson trilogy.

[@realistic_delinquent]

Thank the gods!

[@J1283-s1k]

I heard tell, recently, of an up and coming company that was looking, using the latest AI, to present a cynical deconstruction of Tolkien's world more suited for what they called: Modern audiences. Fortunately nothing ever came of it.

[@bullbear7897]

Because Jackson nailed it and set a tough bar. They tried with the Hobbit but pales in comparison.

[@israelalvarez4884]

Thats not true, theres an animated movie in the 70's

[@theoregontruckerT880]

The hobbit trilogy is good. Yea it’s bloated and made some weird choices and obviously it’s not as good as lotr but it’s good

[@jaonatohinirina565]

The script was written and greenlit when executives still thought that Intersectional feminism and DEI would be the new trend.

[@Bullboy_Adventures]

It's actually the opposite trending rn. More and more men are coming to their senses and realizing women should've never left the kitchen

[@christianclark347]

Kinda sad to think that even if they turn on a dime and drop DEI overnight like disco, it'll still take 5-6 years for it all to work it's way out of the pipeline.

[@aliteralnormalguy9046]

Oh, now that Trump is in office, they'll regret that all right.

[@caps_lock_]

It's infuriating living in a time where I can just assume that all my favourite franchises are going to be butchered by this post modernist crap

[@scifiwriter98]

Yeah, Gary introduced it perfectly. We can see this crap coming miles away.

[@Redditor6079]

Maybe don't be toxic?

[@hussainsetranjiwala402]

Dude it kills me absolutely, literally everything is down the drain nothing is left 😡😡🤬🤬

[@ioncewasmikey]

@@Redditor6079 lol

[@DarkPretender205]

@@Redditor6079 Where is the toxicity?, maybe read without bias.

[@jerriand]

- You think I am afraid of you? - You should be... because I already called HR.

[@newtpondskipper]

If you wish to blame someone. Blame yourself! You should have been more attractive.

[@greatestscott6599]

HRa

[@FunkMastaMegaFlex]

Lol.

[@KABLAMMATS]

you getting canceled!

[@jeezed2950]

Did you even see the movie with its proper context? It's not woke at all

[@martinagalas8639]

As a woman I am sick and tired of girl power in movies. The real woman power is another, not the physical

[@LukeSkywalker-lq2lq]

So in ur opinion Kill bill is also bad good to know

[@ZaleraArkanus666]

Except, an actual woman wouldn't say garbage like that. You're definitely a bot, a shill or a dude pretending to be a woman. There are plenty of physically strong women in real life. I work with a couple of them every day moving lumber around. What do you do besides whine on the internet?

[@starlyghtdrifter66]

@LukeSkywalker-lq2lqkill bill had a decent story. This has no story. The problem is not the woman being the lead, the problem is forcing a woman into a lead just to fill DEI quotas, and have no story.

[@JoFa876]

@LukeSkywalker-lq2lq Kill Bill was not a Mary Sue girl boss. She had to struggle and fight.

[@davidbai3543]

@LukeSkywalker-lq2lqgreat leap in logic. Just because someone dislikes a female character in one piece of media doesn’t mean they hate female characters in every other media lmao 😅 Also you don’t seem to understand that there are well written female characters and Mary sues. It’s the same with male characters. There’s a reason why Batman is a much well written character compared to Superman. Superman is the typical chad perfect in every way while Batman is a character with flaws and accepts those flaws.

[@charlessapp1835]

The sad thing is that if this movie bombs, they will blame it on it being animated. Not that the story was bad.

[@DBRONCOSfan]

That or they’ll blame the fans, again…. We’re too stupid to understand the genius writing…

[@akanomamushi15]

They are blaming anime already when it was only the medium and it's unfair for the staff and Kenji Kamiyama for doing their job animating this. The writing and marketing are the ones to blame for its poor performance.

[@tgrant9021]

@@akanomamushi15 I agree with the last bit. I have not seen the movie, however the dialogue from the trailer did set me off. Marketing is one half of the products success. The other half, in this case, is the writing. Idk if I should see the movie for myself just to see the actual dialogue or if I should avoid it. I just want a movie that is worth my money.

[@mirceazaharia2094]

At least the girl-boss is hot. That's new. More fodder for rule 34. 😂

[@mirceazaharia2094]

​@@tgrant9021 Wait for the indie guys to wrangle AI animation software to do what they want it to. Then you'll start to see some good movies coming in from that source. In the meantime, I heartily recommend the stop motion movies from Laika Studios.

[@Terrafeyed]

Well just saved myself a 2 and a half hour trip to the movies and a 50 dollar bill.

[@jimc5754]

It's on Netflix isn't it?

[@misaelfraga8196]

Yeah I wished I saw this review because that's exactly what happened to me. I drove 30min to the nearest IMAX movie theater and wasted 50 bucks on 2 tickets.

[@darianstarfrog]

​@@jimc5754cinema release

[@John-fk2ky]

@@jimc5754 it’s definitely in theaters. I don’t have Netflix so I can’t look, but it’s highly unlikely to be on any streaming platforms that don’t charge for watching that specific movie yet because that would wreck the whole point of a theatrical release.

[@xMACHOxMANx]

@@jimc5754No. For now it’s only in theaters. I’m sure soon it will come to homes though. When it does, it will be on hbo max since they own the rights to LOTR.

[@Not-a-bot222]

WW2, how Mamie Eisenhower led the D Day landing and won the war

[@2012sonora]

Fortunately, none of this is real LotR. Tolkien's books will live forever. In a thousand years, they'll still be required reading in colleges. This crap? It will die with our generation.

[@joehiggins8659]

100% agreed. Until they try and edit and censor the books into something more suitable to their message. Hide your copies of the books before it's too late!!

[@Luke-kj1rj]

You think we'll be around in thousands of years? 😂😂

[@frankspeakmore7104]

@@joehiggins8659 You have no idea how accurate you are with that. Here in the UK books are starting to be edited so that POC have always been in Europe.

[@Srrrgp]

@@frankspeakmore7104poc?

[@wookiejesusofnazarethkashy1940]

I’m sure there will be a library next to The Museum of Fart.

[@ItsJustFox]

Boromir died for this... Tolkien deserves better

[@commanderkorra3316]

Boromir died for Merry and Pippin, thankfully redeeming himself. But yeah, Tolkien does deserve better.

[@Ihavehadmanynames7779]

It looks TERRIBLE. It doesn’t have a mythical pre historic theme it’s like a kids anime more similar to naruto. Lotr is loved for it’s beautiful settings, idk what this is supposed to be. Some kind of anime waifu princess simulator not lotr

[@Ihavehadmanynames7779]

They are crashing every ip on purpose so they can “build back better”

[@sarov7658]

​@@commanderkorra3316I wish lotr had more deaths or stakes my only big issue with lotr even hobbit trilogy had dwarfs dyin in final battle but power of friendship gets the two hobbits till the end

[@commanderkorra3316]

@@sarov7658 I like that personally, a lot of movies would have had Frodo or Sam die. Most reactors seem to think one of the other will die. So it's a nice surprise for most. The sad thing is, Frodo really didn't survive it.

[@denkerbosu3551]

Sick and tired of a noblewoman's entire arc being "I got handed everything in life, but still won't do my one duty, I wanna be freeeeeeeee!"

[@casbyness]

It's just government and big corporations trying to destroy traditional femininity so they can double the number of worker drones in the factories and half their wages. Been going to for decades now.

[@LukeSkywalker-lq2lq]

And if it was a guy will u be happy ? Like with Aang

[@Haos51]

​@LukeSkywalker-lq2lq Aang's arc was much wider than that, and that initial desire had consequences.

[@LukeSkywalker-lq2lq]

@@Haos51 Wulf, had desire and consequences soooooo

[@ChristoffRevan]

And like sure, if we're looking at things through a modern lense...it seems messed up to have an arranged marriage. But, that's why presentism is wrong, people need to get off their high horse and realize that the situation in the past was much different and you can't just judge people for having different norms. We aren't better than our ancestors, they did things as we would have done in their own context of life and how the world is throughout the ages

[@EternityinOurHearts316]

Amazon: I'm going to blow millions of dollars on a LotR fanfic no one wanted alone! WB: Of course you are! And I'm going with you!

[@bdleo300]

Corpos: let's turn LOTR into Star Wars 2.0! Nothing like mass produced corpo-fanfiction (just ask Disney)

[@izaakdamon1979]

Best comment of the section!

[@Tallacus]

*Billions not millions

[@thatonetime1119]

Disney:…Hold my Snow White.

[@marda0maranwe]

Thus, the Fellowship was formed...😅

[@Timasion]

The hero of the War of Rohirrim is Fréaláf Hildeson, the nephew of Helm Hammerhand. He wasn't expected to inherit because Helm had two sons, Haleth and Hama. Unfortunately, Haleth was killed defending Edoras and Hama was lost searching for supplies during the Long Winter. Helm himself went a bit mad and went out into the winter slaughtering Dunlendings until he froze to death. Fréaláf Hildeson was able to rally the rest of the Rohirrim, lead an attack to retake Edoras, kill Wulf, and drive the Dunlendings from Rohan. He's the hero of the story, not some unnamed daughter.

[@racheltheradiant4675]

Didn't Fréaláf marry Helm's daughter? I'll have to go reread it again.

[@Timasion]

@@racheltheradiant4675 There is no indication of such. They were cousins, so it would be weird if they did, though, not unheard of.

[@racheltheradiant4675]

@@Timasion thanks, I couldn't remember. I'm going to reread it regardless and imagine the movie that should have been. 😊

[@Cancoillotteman]

@@Timasion It would be very unlikely of a devout catholic like the professor. Remember the main reason Ar-Pharzon's wedding to Muriel was considered evil is because they were related.

[@Timasion]

@@Cancoillotteman I agree, but it isn't completely unheard of in Europe for cousins to marry. So, itis unlikely, but not unheard of. Personally, I think she was likely killed in the attack on Edoras by Wulf.

[@jasonskeel6474]

My tolerance for girl boss woke garbage is at a 0 now. I'll take a hard pass on this one!

[@BinkyTheElf1]

That high? I’m way down in the minus-50s at this point. No more money, thought, time, or even outrage over such lazy propaganda. Pippa must be super-resentful, or something.

[@SynsityGW]

yeah same. i used to just groan and watch. i'm such a jaded fuck about it now and i hate them for turning me into this. just absolutely zero interest whatsoever, complete apathy, the only entertainment i get is from watching the occasional youtube video about how shitty the films/shows are

[@carnilino.m]

I watched the movie and it actually was not woke. Hera is not overpowered, struggles in fights against men and has to use head. She does not act like she can do everything better, she loves her family and her people and does her best for them.

[@AnakinsDaycareForPadawans]

Phillipa Boyens was responsible for the dwarf elf romance in the hobbit movies. This was always doomed.

[@thefilthyrhombus3856]

Seriously. Tauriel is the sole reason I haven't looked forward to anything LotR related since the third Hobbit movie. I rewatched that trilogy a few weeks ago, and I actually found myself fast forwarding her scenes, something I never do. Every scene with her is terrible with stupid dialog, cringey acting, bland tensionless action, and worst of all, it bloats already bloated movies with the most pointless nonsense to be found in all 6 of Jackson's films.

[@Valen-mh9fh]

The elf woman was cute. Don't take the hope away from us short guys! 😂

[@andrewmeyer3599]

​@@thefilthyrhombus3856 I also feel really bad for that actress. She was promised she would have an actual character and not what they has given her

[@TheHlydenLord83]

So you’re blaming this film on 1 woman? They’re other writers on this you know

[@thefilthyrhombus3856]

@andrewmeyer3599 Yeah, I don't blame Evangeline Lily for that terrible performance. Most actors can only really work with what they're given. Of course, on the other hand, if I were given a script for a massively popular IP with a predominantly female centric audience and read that my character seemed completely obnoxious and out of place and after some research discovered it's because the character was completely made up in order to have some "boy boss energy" and a extraneous melodramatic subplot, I'd probably pass.

[@ShadowDragon-cw7wb]

I knew once Christopher died nothing good will ever come out of these projects again.

[@anonymouslyopinionated656]

he was the only shield

[@joshuadehler5039]

Hobbit trilogy was ass

[@christianclark347]

@@joshuadehler5039 It being one of the worst production nightmares in cinematic history didn't help. Neither did Philippa's writing or her red-headed Elven self-insert.

[@ChristoffRevan]

​@@joshuadehler5039the first one was fine, the second two started devolving into being almost like comedy...which didn't really fit things imo. While Tolkien definitely sprinkled some laughs throughout the stories he wrote, overall they were generally serious, dark, and grim

[@oneoranota]

A production nightmare happens when you greenlight a suckish scenario. They had one job, to make a great movie out a great book. They messed up big time. They opened the door for the abominations that get produced today.

[@whiterabbit75]

When Helm fought the troll *_BARE-HANDED,_* he proved he was a beast, who earned the moniker, "Hammerhamd". A shame the movie wasn't about him.

[@Robouteguilliman-t7o]

Can you imagine what he is in his Prime? dude would give that is not Numenour or Elf or Dwarf a Challaenge

[@whiterabbit75]

@@Robouteguilliman-t7o The man would make Sauron pause.

[@Popeye_The_Salter]

I've known a lot of women in my life(44 years). I've only ever met one girl boss outside of a Hollywood production. She was my literal boss. What made her a good boss was her lack of ego and a willingness to listen to people in the field that had far more experience than her. She would determine what sounded best to suit the company's needs, and she would defend the choice if it didn't work out like intended. She would go to bat for us. It seemed at times that she worked for us more than we worked for her. She could make a grown man cry if she had to. She was a damn good boss. Hollywood doesn't understand what it means to be human. They are too busy being wackos and freaks. So why the hell do we think they will ever get anything right?

[@Jakob_23]

I don’t have a problem with women leading. I think women can be Great leaders. I have a problem with female characters being made equal physically to men. That I just don’t understand and never will.

[@benju2438]

I tried to watch it last night but could not stay awake. What I did see was basically flash animation at like 4 frames per second. It was more like ILLUSTRATION than ANIMATION. I took 6 people. I cant believe I spent that much money on a NAP!

[@ZaleraArkanus666]

​@@benju2438 How much are you getting paid to straight up lie? 😂

[@The.LastBoyScout]

aaaaand the reason that is so rare is because women are not leaders of men... because very few MEN are leaders of men.

[@johntheknight3062]

That's the neat thing. Noone sane thinks that anymore.

[@Tyrs_Finox]

They would have lost me at the name "Hera", that's of Greek origin. Tolkein's works were mainly based on Norse, Teutonic, Celtic, and Finnish mythology and languages, the name itself just doesn't fit. Good review Gary, thanks for the breakdown.

[@Shintigercurl]

and they didn't just pick any greek goddess for her name. they picked the queen of the gods. that should tell you enough about how they wanted her to be view.

[@bdleo300]

They're creative as a mosquito... even a mosquito could write a better story.

[@JujFuj]

​@@musashidanmcgrathlol not to be confused with the greek goddess hera? How could you not. Ain't nobody hearing that name and not thinking greek goddess. Sounds like an afterthought to justify their choice

[@CODINE80]

I agree for the name because Tolkien wasnt using greek names but he was also heavily influenced from the Greek mythology. A good part of the Rings mythology is based on the greek mythological story of the Ring Of Gyges which is also mentioned from Plato..and guess what, this was also a cursed ring which was giving its bearer the ability to become invinsible etc etc. Also Tolkien himself included Greek mythology as a pool of inspiration.

[@Lawrence_Talbot]

Originally it was going to be Helen to mirror Helen of Troy and how Paris listing after her caused Troy and Greece to go to war. Surprisingly that they thought was too on the nose 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@joeygk2990]

Why would they go talk to Gandalf? Saruman wasn’t turned evil by then so they’d talk to him since he’s much closer? Also helm saying Rohan needs his unnamed daughter more than him is laughable

[@Wriath9]

Gandalf was the one wanting the conversation. They probably just wanted to name drop Gandalf but that was the reason. Helm is an old man full of grief that wants his last heir to take over, that seems reasonable. Hera insults him by giving the throne to her cousin but that was done to stay lore accurate.

[@joeygk2990]

@@Wriath9 cool. except this never happened. Tolkien never had Hera take over and defend Rohan. Its hilarious you think these people know better than Tolkien. Why did he leave Helm's daughter an unnamed single sentence in the appendices? Lore accurate would be the majority of this movie never happening. "Hera" which isnt even a name Tolkien would have ever chosen, is not a warrior, is not the fastest rider in rohan, is not some military badass and general. its a bad fanfic

[@Wriath9]

@joeygk2990 sure tolkien would never would have used Hera as a name I agree. I honestly believe the reason she was left in charge was the writers didn't want to make Helm the protagonist and wanted to keep close to the lore. If that is the thought process then Hera is the only choice to take command since Helm dies and his sons are dead at this point as well. The other option is create a completely new character but is that any better? Personally I think Tolkien's intent was Helm's daughter died as well at some point. Which is why she wasn't named but since he didn't specify that the writers took advantage of having a character not Helm be a protagonist.

[@Wriath9]

@joeygk2990 I never said Hera took over and ruled after the movie she in fact doesn't. Her cousin becomes king at the end of the movie as is canon. She only takes over command of helms deep for a very short amount of time being the last living heir Helm. She gives only two commands (I believe) which is to evacuate helms deep and another to take Helms armor to the tower. The list of things they changed is very short and mostly minor. The end result of the movie is the exact same as Tolkien wrote. They obviously added quite a bit but I don't have an issue with additions as long as they fit. Only a few thing don't really work Hera's name and a details all of which are minor.

[@joeygk2990]

@@Wriath9 the list of things changed is not minor. Helms daughter is so unimportant to tolkien that he didnt even name her. she has ONE SENTENCE. thats it. So everything else besides the fact Helm has a daughter is something they changed/made up

[@uberlazio5924]

"Mary Sue-icide" imma steal this saying😂

[@Korelon7]

tbf he stole it too lol

[@Morten_Storvik]

Do people even know what a "Mary Sue" is anymore?

[@bdleo300]

@@Morten_Storvik oh people know... but you don't. Mor(t)On the angry Woke cultist spamming random bs all over comment section 😀

[@Garoslol]

@@Morten_Storvik A Mary Sue is a type of fictional character, usually a young woman, who is portrayed as unrealistically free of weaknesses or character flaws. Hera is perfect example for the definition.

[@Morten_Storvik]

@@Garoslol Is that why she constantly ended up in danger and needed help from everyone around her? Is that why she needed the support of others to get things done throughout the movie? Did you even watch the movie? Hera is not a Mary Sue at all. Calling her a Mary Sue is like calling Ripley from Aliens a Mary Sue.

[@doop2541]

I don't get it--millions of Tolkien fans around the world. A giant cash cow waiting to be milked. And they give us....this. Why??? Are they really that stupid?

[@TheNeoPuritan-f7g]

Ideology makes people that stupid.

[@Link0304]

LotR is good because of the quality and care taken for it's writing. This is anathema to modern hollywood.

[@srs1518]

I know right? If someone would do it correctly, it would make Billions...Oh yeah, somebody already did that.

[@hasseo195]

Movie was nice. Aside of some animation problems (esspecialy at the start), was the movie entertaining. Hera is a good, likeable chara. She is good looking and friendly. She isnt arrogant. She isnt allways correcting others. She needed multiple times help (even, when she doesnt had one clear defeat, that had i wished for it). She is on the same niveau, as many female anime mc or like Ashoka or 90er cartoon Mulan. Yes, she has taking the role from the second king, when you know the original story of the events (wiki stated, that Frelefal did most of this stuff, and it was Condor, who came to rescue at the end, the movie changed it, that she did most of the stuff and he came to the rescue at the end). But, it doesnt bother much, if you dont know, how it was supposed to be (like in my case, i dodnt knowed anything and was neutral to it). And, because Eowyn is the storyteller of the movie, could you even say, that the movie is a lie. That she changed some facts (not uncommon in mediviel storytelling), because, she wanted to inspiring girls to become shield maids. Its happens sometimes in stories, than in-universe character are changing stuff for the audience. Like in "No Game no Life Zero", where the god stated at the end of the movie, that he changed some details at the end, to make more interessting. Or, to create more connection to the present time. The movie was in overhaul really good.

[@caesarczech7920]

@@hasseo195 stop jewing. Jews like Larry Fink are the reason for this shit.

[@PumpkinKingXXIII]

I saw the commercial and said to myself, “that’s a hard pass!”

[@bhbobbyd]

I dont know about y'all, but i think it was absolutely stunning and brave for a Hollywood production to *finally* feature a female lead who's the best at, flawless at and the center of everything, whose character arc includes already being great and only becoming even betterer at the end as she has to break the shackles of the idiot men and the patriarchy. You just *never* see that these days and it's just *so* refreshing that someone finally did it

[@occasional-dabbler]

Seriously, I've totally never seen a strong female action lead, ever, totally! Now if only they would do one in live-action, that would be teh awesomesauce!

[@Mereologist]

They should get Jennifer Lawrence to play the role. No woman ever was an actress before her.

[@Redditor6079]

Exactly! There's just too many men in movies and many of them are toxic.

[@Veritas.Studios.Channel]

LOL! I think you just shattered my sarcasm meter! Delightful!

[@michaelotoole1807]

big fan of sarcasm, thanks for that.

[@TexCaliber]

We are truly living through the death of entertainment and intellectual properties via the imaginary cash-grab - "For Modern Audience".

[@reggie6230]

Its more then that. But you can't speak of it, not here. Not in these darkened halls where things watch everything you do.

[@gingerbaker_toad696]

"Music" is long dead. Movies as well for some time now. True art and creativity are things of the past..

[@JurassicRod]

They don't care about entertaining us. It's all about social engineering.

[@LohiHarHar]

@@gingerbaker_toad696 Absolutely. Clockwork Orange is my favourite movie and in many ways we are linving it today.

[@spear1504]

Even censorship is killing the entertainment as we know it

[@mfenix911]

The fundamental problem with 'strong female characters' as written by feminists is they are boring. There's no struggle, overcoming obstacles or character growth/arc when they are already perfect and stronger than everyone else. It also exemplifies an attitude of arrogance, hubris and narcissism-saying women don't need any help from men, ignoring the fact that no one can accomplish many things alone-no battle has been won by a single person, it's a group effort. For the record, I love actual strong female characters like in Japanese anime where the roles are often reversed initially (the male character is weak, but then becomes strong and saves the woman after she has saved him).

[@nyphira]

@@mfenix911 bad generalization. This isnt a story written by feminists. And feminists dont inherently write bad stories. Ive seen and read quite a few and i love them. This movie sucked ass tho. Boring as hell. But women and feminism are not to blame

[@lancevance60]

@@nyphira Yes it is, and yes they do.

[@SukiNoKoe]

Well Hera isn't the way you're describing; she's more like a regular anime heroine and she does suffer a lot and literally loses everything before her biggest battle.

[@Mr_Mistah]

​@@nyphira Stop defending feminism

[@Nopeasaurus]

I don’t think it is fair for you to presume this is the fault of feminists…because it isn’t. The idea that women should be written to be perfect at everything and can only be respected through “masculine endeavors” like sword fighting or horse riding is something that feminists are staunchly against, something they have been fighting against for years (at least the real ones). Galadriel in Rings of Power is a masculine fantasy of a “strong woman” and this thinking has trickled down to women themselves internalizing it.

[@carlrood4457]

How is it that they still don't get it? The greatest heroes of heroic fiction are not bosses. They're not better than everyone else at everything. They have strengths and weaknesses, as do their friends, companions, and allies. Harry Potter may be the chosen one, but he'd have been dead a hundred times over if not for Ron, Hermione, Dumbledore, Lupin, Sirius, and even Snape. Hell, even Lockhart taught him expelliarmus. Luke Skywalker LOST his two biggest fights and had to be saved by the people who cared about him. Heroes are supposed to rise, fall, and get back up again.

[@higherground9888]

Because they don't human very well. Zero empathy and zero understanding for others.

[@itsabouttthattime]

They can't do that because they're using female leads and they are terrified of ever showing a woman without "agency", i.e. powerless, defeated, making mistakes in judgement, needing help or protection. Their whole shoulder-chip is centered on "female agency".

[@TheJohn8765]

It's called a character arc. Modern writers don't seem to understand Writing 101. They need to go back to school. Or go work at McD.

[@ThatAnnalisa]

Yes to everything, except one minor quibble: it was Snape who demonstrated Expelliarmus. Lockhart didn't teach $#!t.

[@kyero8724]

If this character was a Man you'd call him a Chad. go play on the Golden Gate Bridge, I hear its a great place to jump

[@MrLolguy93]

I lost count on how many times I sighed or rolled my eyes at the script and the stupid decisions in the movie.

[@Morten_Storvik]

Can you make an example?

[@agustintorres4608]

​@@Morten_StorvikThe conception of this film for starters.

[@darianstarfrog]

​@Morten_Storvik did you work on this or what? Or an Amazon employee?😂

[@scifiwriter98]

​@@Morten_StorvikDid you actually watch the video or are you here just trolling. Gary named numerous examples of bad writing.

[@Theriac24]

Right? So bad I had to walk out, thankfully I didn’t pay a dime to the film itself (film pass). I knew it’d be atrocious but middle earth is the last IP I still love & want more from. The opening sentence made me roll my eyes. If she pet an eagle at the beginning I would’ve had an aneurysm. The random Oliphaunt that somehow got into Rohan, that she single-handedly defeats by somehow magically knowing where a WATCHER IN THE WATER is. I mean it’s preposterously retarded. I walked out when they were at the Hornburg discussing defense plans, Helm Hammerhand the fucking KING was nowhere to be found but lo and behold Hera arrives from the shadows to tell the advisors what to do. That was it, I left. And god the fucking amount of recycled LOTR quotes was so lazy and disrespectful.

[@DVX_BELLORVM]

Tolkien's original works will still be read centuries after all of us are gone. These soulless, derivate ripoffs will be mocked and quickly forgotten, as they deserve.

[@earlofbroadst]

Remember in the Two Towers film when Aragorn encourages the boy with the rusty sword? The kid says his name is "Haleth, Son of Hama." You know, the names of Helm Hammerhand's sons. It was a great nod to the appendices and the deeper lore of Tolkien's world. Where did that dedication and love disappear to?

[@colinbielat8558]

That scene is even more poignant when you realize that his father actually died earlier in the warg attack, he was the rider who was dismounted and then killed by the warg.

[@joaqu7002]

@@colinbielat8558hama was an actual character in the books who died at helms deep

[@colinbielat8558]

@joaqu7002 yes I'm aware as he was the gate warrden of the golden hall, however in the movie the kid aragon speaks to is the son of the son of "Hama" the rider who died to the warg after being dismounted.

[@SukiNoKoe]

@@colinbielat8558 Hehe..."warg"....is the funniest name for a thing ever. xD

[@seancollins661]

With the exhaustion around girl bosses and woke BS, who thought this would be a good idea. Are they living under a rock?

[@ICBMSteve]

Not under a rock...in a bubble.

[@evanvalenta1898]

​@@ICBMSteveNot in a bubble, atop an ivory tower.

[@she-venom9842]

Every company is out of touch of fanbase and reality they don't even watch or seems to care how girl bosses movies shows failed and they still do same thing and wasting milions for garbage

[@Valen-mh9fh]

This production was probably green lit when the concept was more en vogue. Now it's being released to recover some of the sunk cost.

[@DB57RB]

Nope just living in Cali where virtue signaling is the most important thing to most of these execs and writers.

[@nongmar8783]

Doesn’t matter. Only things written by Tolkien himself are canon. Modern entertainment is temporary. Comes and goes. Timeless works like Lotr will live forever.

[@LukeSkywalker-lq2lq]

Its a good movie kiddo

[@ZaleraArkanus666]

If that's your thinking, then logically it doesn't matter if someone else enjoys something different. If they can't be touched, then what harm does this movie do?

[@robertmcdougall1144]

Exactly. Mind the other two commentators... apparently, they like the taste of crap. lmao

[@LukeSkywalker-lq2lq]

@@robertmcdougall1144 why are you so insecure ?

[@LukeSkywalker-lq2lq]

@ I agree with u

[@johnhermann7498]

I rolled my eyes so hard that my son heard it outside over the lawnmower... Why do they have to continue to destroy things they didn't create?

[@dbretton]

Because it suits their cause. And lines the pockets of woke ideologues in the process. Doesn't matter if the studio loses money; the woke leftists who work there are making bank.

[@LukeSkywalker-lq2lq]

Why do u cry about a FICTIONAL world it’s not real so don’t feel same with the green mile . Not real don’t feel

[@Inkwaber]

Because that’s the nature of evil

[@FistoftheUmbralStar-1.0]

Go watch the movie before you judge it to be bad. That's what I'm doing and I'm just as passionate about Tolkien as everyone else. Also Nerd of the Rings himself said he thought the movie was good so what reason do I have to think it isn't?

[@johnhermann7498]

@@FistoftheUmbralStar-1.0 Is that the review where he pretty much makes it clear that he hasn't actually watched it yet; the one prior to his "Full on" review?

[@GeraltofRivia22]

Philipa Boyens has always been like this. She was behind Arwen banishing the Nazghul at Rivendell (done by a male elf in the books) and even wanted her to fight at Helm's Deep. Thankfully the fan backlash got that scrapped.

[@poseidon_demeter]

It's been a long time so correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it Glorfindel? If so, that makes me mad that they cut his scene cuz he is one badass elf and deserved screentime but instead even back then, they gave the scene to Arwen so she could have her girlboss moment that never happened in the books. Glorfindel, meanwhile, was the one to actually face off against the Nazghul and died defeating a friggin' BALROG! Yet they gave his Nazghul scene to Arwen....

[@stevegt2682]

@@poseidon_demeter it was

[@fl4shblade]

@@stevegt2682 no it wasn't, frodo defends himself at the fords of the bruinen. actually he draws steel twice against the nazgul. first time before glorfindel commands asfaloth to run to rivendell and second time when he crossed the river. nobody rides with him because he isn't completely helpless like in the movie. he resists the morgul wound for 17 days and gandalf marvels at his toughness when he reawakens after having been healed. but yes the prop-up of arwen comes at the expense of frodo, gandalf, elrond, elladan, elrohir, aragorn and glorfindel!

[@olorin3815]

​@@poseidon_demeter i mean i understand why they cut Glorfindel, they didn't want to introduce too many characters that's not gonna have any relevance to the plot afterwards, you see in original trilogy even though they changed a lot of things they had some kind of reason to do it most of the time that's why its good. These days "writers" just change the script for no other reason than we need to meet the quota

[@PunksterOS]

I recall, Merry, Pippin, Sam and Aragorn, along with Glorfindel banishing them with sticks after Gandalf flooded the river, stripping them of their clothes and their mounts. Giving Frodo the image of Gandalf's face in the waves, as he passes out. I was so looking forward to that in the film, only to get Arwen doing it all by herself and it was horses in the waves.

[@robbyclark6915]

I knew nothing about the original Tolkien story and only went because my 9 year old granddaughter wanted to see it. I actually liked it quite a lot more than I thought I would. My granddaughter’s favorite character, mine too, ended up being Helm! I wish they had explored his story much more. I took my granddaughter because her father, my son, is no longer here to take her himself. He died 2 years ago. As a father who has experienced the deep, dark, and overwhelming despair of losing a child, I was so drawn to the idea of Helm transformed into a bloodthirsty, man eating, monster bent on vengeance and driven to madness by grief and despair. I guess I can relate in a sense.

[@jrconway3]

"The patriarchy" Yeah, that's the biggest problem by far. The ludicrous notion here that Hera's story wasn't told because, from what I have heard, she didn't "settle down and have children." Are people forgetting about freaking Joan of Arc? Like, what are these lunatics getting at? The very idea that a woman who excels beyond her expectations would be "left out of history" despite her achievements is absolute bullsh**. Its this made up idea by feminists that "men always take credit for a woman's work!" or such utter nonsense. The stories of exceptional women are in fact told. Its because they are exceptional that we know about them. Its the same deal with men, too. Most men throughout history are a mere footnote. Eowyn will be widely recognizes as the one who slayed the Witch King. That was the only thing of importance she did, but it was an incredibly feat that should have been beyond her means, yet she still did it. If Hera somehow ended the war, even if she didn't marry and become queen, leaving it to her cousin, HER STORY WOULD BE TOLD! Even if she's "not" a girlboss / Mary Sue, this narrative utterly destroys the story of the film. "jumping off a 30 foot wall" Wait, literally again? RoP already pulled this shit with Galadriel _and_ Elrond.

[@ethanmyers3742]

Regarding the “men always take the credit of a woman’s work”, is there any examples of this? Otherwise it’s a straw man’s argument.

[@lennysmileyface]

@@ethanmyers3742 I think it was with things like scientific research or inventions

[@bdleo300]

@@ethanmyers3742 yeah women fought wars and build everything, men just took credit for thousands of years of human civilization!

[@Nyet-Zdyes]

@@ethanmyers3742 It's all about inflating their egos even more. Same thing with the Mary Sues... more hot air to inflate egos.

[@brokentwilight3136]

@@ethanmyers3742 There are some examples of female researchers publishing in their husbands name, because women where not allowed to do science. However this is far from being the norm, with only some limited cases where it is known, that it is in fact the women who did the research. But this argument goes both ways and is even independent of gender, as there are many cases of someone being assigned or taking the credit for someone else work throughout history.

[@pa1degua]

Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right. - George Orwell 1984. Part 2, Chapter 5.

[@FacloFormerFavorite]

Making a spin off of the LOTR (which hasn’t been changed!) is just like 1984? This is the most media illiterate thing I’ve read.

[@pa1degua]

@ when you seek to undermine the lore and legacy of the stories that is the end goal. why not tell the story as is why does it need to be rewritten to align with modern values? to call my comment the most media illiterate thing you’ve ever read simply illustrates that you are new to the comment section of youtube and media in general.

[@shirleydanby4123]

Make Orwell fiction again.

[@FacloFormerFavorite]

@@pa1degua people having a different vision the Peter Jackson isn’t Orwellian. Is Andor Orwellian because it’s not George Lucas Star Wars? Nothing has been erased!

[@kaseymurdoch9974]

its fiction, lmao its not that serious

[@luispedrobredariol7506]

Some things that REALLY bothered me in the movie: Why didn’t any archer shoot at the two after they executed her brother in front of the walls of Helm’s Deep? The gate wasn’t opening because the mechanism was frozen... but after her father managed to open it a little, they could’ve just kept opening it 💀 Even if, for some reason, the gate couldn’t be opened more than that, the archers at the gate just stood there eating popcorn, watching their king die. If all it took was enduring a few fire arrows to destroy the bridge at the end, why didn’t they do that when they were still building the tower, to begin with 💀 Anyway… things that bothered me lol

[@rusty7984]

That tower annoyed the hell out of me. Especially considering the fact that in Return of the King we saw siege towers on wheels which was an actual strategy in history.

[@ozymandias6217]

WB you were the chosen one. It was said that you would destroy Amazon, not join them. Bring balance to equality, not leave it in wokeness.

[@Ben-zr4ho]

Yeah no one ever said that. Lol.

[@AdamNRose]

Ahhh shit, here we go again....

[@Mythologos]

Nope. He's lying.

[@ioncewasmikey]

@@Mythologos Even if you're right, most movie critics who hate Gary are also saying the movie ain't great.

[@SukiNoKoe]

@@ioncewasmikey It's a lot better than Hollywood's Girlboss Sue movies though.

[@RhysCallinan-hf7qx]

It's as we feared. Well, more like expected.

[@AndyCandyZeroSugar]

"All we had to do was follow the damn canon, WB!"

[@walteroakley9115]

I saw this in the theatre last night. She is a mary sue and to top it off, they don't even acknowledge that she really started the war because she didn't want to get married. The theatre was practically deserted... so i doubt this will do well at the box office

[@osedor]

bro she didnt choose. her dad literally said that he wouldnt let her marry him. stop being dumb bruh

[@richardbosch1532]

She did not start the war. Wolf's father was at fault. She really did not have a say. Even if she wanted to marry him the king would not allow it.

[@walteroakley9115]

@@richardbosch1532 fair point. However her "friend zoning" wulf made it worse. Plus the "I don't want to marry any man" speech was feminist cringe

[@LordBurger]

ok this is crazy cherry picking… she didnt want to marry the guy so the war started??? when the reality is the war started because helm killed wulfs father then banished his grieved son

[@LordBurger]

@@walteroakley9115how is mot wanting to marry a man cringe? not everyone has to want to marry, she clearly hadnt found someone she loves and that was made clear in her dialogue early on

[@Obsol33te]

"No Hera, Rohan needs you! You are a strong and independent woman who doesnt need no man. Im dead now." -Helm Hammerman

[@bdleo300]

"Riders of Rohirrim, Down with Patriarchy!"

[@Obsol33te]

@bdleo300 go forth! AND FEAR NO CIS GENDER!

[@Lawrence_Talbot]

What’s sucks is I’m rereading the LotR. Helm’s little bit in the Appendix was cool. A guy who believed that as long as he wielded no weapon then in turn no weapon could ever harm him. And in the end that proved true since he froze to death with his knees straight, defiant to the very end. A guy who legit beat all of his foes to death with his bare hands and slayed entire camps of dunlendings with his fists. The very man Helm’s Deep is named after. The very man that inspired the Brawler class in so many games including LotRO. That would’ve been a cool adaptation, especially for an anime. But no, they cucked it up

[@Obsol33te]

@@Lawrence_Talbot It's nuts how easy a win that would've been, I'd see that movie for sure. WB truly is the dumbest company.

[@DrLicuid]

@@Lawrence_Talbot Perhaps in some other timeline Keisuke Itagaki decided to make a volume based on this while taking a break from drawing fighters punching a thawed caveman.

[@annatardlordofderps9181]

Lady of the Minge: Girlboss of the Roherrim.

[@realistic_delinquent]

Roe-harem

[@DrHackmoff]

My favorite was the second film ,. you know "The Two Scissors"

[@takuid]

A literal mary sue of the lowest order just off the "accomplishments" list lmao. The scenes in this video of her girlbossing were cringey af

[@nicbrone1846]

Hera: Bane of the Oliphants

[@C21H30O2]

Minge is my favorite British slang

[@joeyn985]

What's really tragic is that on the original trilogy, Boyens did such an amazing job. She really dug deep and pulled out all sorts of amazing stuff. Like writing lyrics in khuzdul for the male choir to sing during the khazad dum soundtrack

[@Lurker_Z]

It just shows what it means when the culture is behind you vs. when it's put a chick in it and make it lame and gay.

[@Ben-zr4ho]

Yeah well back then you could still be a "good liberal" in Hollywood without being ridiculously silly woke. Ridiculously silly woke barely existed. But most of those good liberals became silly woke when the time came.

[@Ben-zr4ho]

And anyway Boyens was pushing for girl boss woke stuff even in the og trilogy. She was the one who had Arwen banish the Nazghul when a male elf does it in he books and she even wanted her fighting at Helms Deep. Which they actually filmed but mercifully cut.

[@TheNoonish]

@@Ben-zr4ho I think Liv Tyler had to convince them to cut the Helm's Deep stuff after she realized the fan backlash that was coming. It was such a breach, and the fans would not have forgiven that creative decision. Since then, they've earned enough money that they don't give a shit about fan backlash anymore.

[@ParkerCS2]

I can’t wait for that crap Minecraft movie to flop to further make WB go closer to bankruptcy. They keep ruining IPS and thus need to continue losing money.

[@GaudiaCertaminisGaming]

I thought that movie was out already. Who knew?

[@demaratus8946]

Brother for as bad as these movies are, they are not losing money. WB makes like 40billion a year and the budget for this was 30million. That is is like having $1000 and spending 60cents.

[@jasonschlierman412]

Kind of want to see all of the major Hollywood studios go out together. The industry is a giant bloated mess, and a shadow of its former self. I miss when they actually made entertainment.

[@Redditor6079]

What's wrong with Minecraft? It's got Jack Black in it, must be good 👍

[@M24071]

I feel like Black snape will completely break their back cause there is no coming back from destroying harry potter

[@abrahamflores2566]

Atleast they made her pretty. Most animations by western studios love to give girls that square jaw and body.

[@kenjifox4264]

You got a point there.

[@stopthewarbetweenrussiaand3895]

Not as pretty as typical anime girls tho​@@kenjifox4264

[@Henyo5566]

Yep. Biggest surprise there. Now Imma just waiting if someone will make doujin of Hera.

[@MrAtlas2112]

And a redhead!

[@wojak-sensei6424]

I actually thought she didn't do much to really hate her anyways. Helm kept gassing her up as Ms. "You Can Rule the World". Whatever you say, big guy. But her most significant contribution is throwing an alley oop to Frealaf so he can look more badass when he comes. That's it. I guess the retreat to Helm's Deep too, but her fucking handler broke more of a sweat than her. All she did was take Helm into Helm's Deep, something the soldiers and her remaining brother could do as well. If they really wanted a female perspective on Rohan at the time of Helm Hammerhand, Hera could've just easily been an actual shieldmaiden. You know, a soldier? Perhaps a dame (that's a female squire or knight) for Helm's retinue? And Helm and Frealaf would've been the main focus of the story, as is with the lore, with this random female soldier bearing witness to it all. A literal retelling of a legend from long ago, from the eyes of a normal person in Middle Earth. That would be interesting, in my opinion. Having a regular knight live through these events, interact with the normal people of Edoras, trying to put up a tough and hopeful resolve whilst her fears and sorrows gnaw at her, and watch as their faith in the good of the world helps them survive another day, thanks to these legendary heroes that she knew personally. She could've had her own story adjacent to the lore of Helm's Deep, watching her soldiers and fellow citizens deal with the worsening situation, fighting the urge to drop their posts and flee for their lives, and if Rohan would even survive at all. I'm on the side that the movie was... generic, to say the least. Inoffensive if viewed on its own and with no background with LOTR. But the potential was there.

[@ultimateslinger9857]

Didn’t see much Mary sue here. She lost sometimes. Also, she was probably a good fighter because bro did you see her dad?! That dude was a unit. Also I enjoyed watching her. Pretty like-able character. Anyway, best middle earth thing I’ve seen since the last hobbit and LOTR movies.

[@rusty7984]

It wasn’t as bad as people made it out to be. That being said am I gonna rewatch it. Nope I’ll just binge watch Lord of the Rings extended editions again.

[@calonarang7378]

So why did they write her in, instead of doing it how it says?

[@Nopeasaurus]

No matter how skilled and strong of a fighter a woman is, she’s not going to stand a chance alone against a skilled male fighter. We see Hera have the strength to literally overpower Wulf. How is this possible if she is a mortal woman? They tried so hard to make her like Eowyn without understanding why Eowyn’s victory aganist the witch king was believable. Eowyn won because 1) the witch king underestimated her 2) she had Merry’s help, Merry had a corporal dagger that could keep the witch king in the physical world when he stabbed him with it. Then Eowyn ran her sword right through him, landing the finishing blow. She nearly died and it took her a long time to recover after the attack. Hera on the other hand has no difficulty at all, fighting with ease and with the strength of 10 strong men with the body of an slim adult woman. she isn’t written to be convincing, rather she is someone’s self insert. But oh, I guess she’s likable so therefore she is a good female character?? How low the standards are.

[@calonarang7378]

​@Nopeasaurus Well it depends on how they execute it. Because there has always been a battle between brains and bronze. But main point is We must ask ourselves if she fallows the proper steps to achieving her goals. Example: The Last Airbender vs Legend of Korra. Does Hera go through the steps, test, and learns or is handed stuff & then thrown out into the world?

[@mikemoore4033]

Oh goody, another girl Bores. Snore of the Rohirrim.

[@bdleo300]

Woke of the Rohirrim

[@osedor]

yall mad cause the lead is a girl?

[@Oscifer11]

I'm surprised that she didn't hold her sword aloft and cry out: "I AM HE-RA!!!!"

[@earlofbroadst]

"By the power of Meduseld!"

[@David_the_Psalmist]

@@earlofbroadst *For the honor of Meduseld

[@leonardceres9061]

God forbid these idiots make a genuinely likable character be female male whatever if they wanted to have a female lead, it’s totally fine, but just make her like a real person she’s not the strongest she’s not the best rider or the smartest person in the room. She may have a strong will, and determination, but she has to overcome her weaknesses and vulnerabilities and find creative solutions to do so just like a real life person would.

[@marvinthemartian6788]

KZbinrs keep saving me money. Thank you!!

[@thomasshelby5454]

You cant form your own opinion? Kinda sad u know. Getting dictate by KZbinr

[@osedor]

@@thomasshelby5454literally. i loved this movie. for the most part it is VERY lore accurate. its an incredible movie. they just cant stand that a woman is the main character . and im not even trying to be a feminist. thats the only thing he had to say about hera. was the fact she was a “girlboss” when the whole trilogy has been male dominated? we cant have one female lead. great. we love close minded people

[@AndrewPremacio]

​@@osedoryeah all major heroes in the vlegendarium are men whether elves or men😅

[@lorencelaflair4306]

​@@osedor🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@joeblow1104]

Ditto

[@thomaspunt2646]

The one time you don't want a redheaded anime girl as a protagonist.

[@tominiowa2513]

Yotsuba was best girl for Fuutarou, not Nino.

[@Redditor6079]

I thought it was pretty good!

[@itsabouttthattime]

Right? She's smoking got but I just don't care😂

[@krisumusic]

I saw it on cinema yesterday. We were only 3 people in the entire cinema. Yes, 3 people. I had some hopes, but it was a bit annoying how choppy it is when other anime "series" are ultra smooth. Why did they make a girl boss with no flaws? Really boring character :'(

[@ShallowDepression]

They committed Mary-Kari. I'll get my coat.

[@jonbaxter2254]

Someone on a recent EFAP mentioned how LoTR is becomming Star Wars now: Resting on the laurels of the older films, while everything made recently being of shockingly bad quality.

[@TheJmlew11]

Resting on the laurels of a well written story by a genius. I will say that I don’t think it is quite at that level because they aren’t producing shows and films out the wazoo. Folks need to chill with the doomer culture.

[@aperson9847]

I would be totally fine with them making Helm's unnamed daughter into a character who participates in the events of this story. But making her STEAL the story at the expense of Tolkien's actual characters is a crime.

[@ParkerCS2]

I never saw Sauron as an actual person or being but as an abstract eldritch force that took physical form. And the Orcs were mindless monsters who served him because they wanted to because all they know to do is kill and destroy and like having leadership and being told what to do. So trying to humanize both ruins them.

[@kauetadaieski3131]

They dont like leadership, their essense is rebelious like their creator. However, they do feel drawn to specially powerful dark Maiar and are also afraid to desobey. Their nature is chaotic, the ring and the eye of Sauron helps with controlling them.

[@TuorTheBlessedOfUlmo]

He personally tortures Gollum in the books its heavily implied he has a physical form.

[@ParkerCS2]

@@kauetadaieski3131 yeah but regardless they are savages who are only “sympathetic” or rather something to feel pity for because they can’t be reasoned with and are unwilling to become civilized. Their creation by Melkor was always rooted in malice and their nature cannot be altered as they are cursed with the cruel nature that Melkor forced them to have. Melkor/Morgoth wasn’t called the king of all monsters for nothing. The title of Dark Lord literally means the “God” of all monsters in middle earth. And Orcs are monsters. They aren’t people.

[@ParkerCS2]

@@TuorTheBlessedOfUlmo he was only an eye at that point. His henchmen did all the torturing for him. He couldn’t take physical form because the ring had all his essence that he poured into to make it a powerful weapon and when he lost it in the second age getting his finger severed he instantly died.

[@yttamhtims]

@@ParkerCS2correct

[@Dexidoodle]

As a woman, I am sick and tired of women ruining everything.

[@shirleydanby4123]

Here, here sister.

[@rgentum_201]

Same. It honestly makes me embarrassed.

[@Bullboy_Adventures]

Ikr? There were never any problems when women stayed at home and took care of their families, and having their husband's do all of the important work. The 1950s were a magical time.

[@quadrono5714]

​@Bullboy_Adventures maybe not magical, but better than today in a lot of ways.

[@Bullboy_Adventures]

@@quadrono5714 true. Simply put, I'm glad more and more people are realizing women should've never left their kitchens

[@Traffydrhart]

Ughh this is why ppl turning away from western media. The insufferable girl bosses who take over every show, so damn annoying. This could've been so great but nope they just squandered it

[@G.I_Jane]

The funniest part is they brought the old cast back for the premiere which is hilarious cus it just shows how they can't ever do anything on their own because they know fans don't give a damn unless its genuinely good or it has nostalgia

[@le_fancy_squid]

When I saw that the trailer for this movie showed all of the LotR clips I instantly knew it wasn't worth watching. If they can't show me a new product without relying on something old then I'm not interested. Sure, LotR itself was based on Tolkien's books, but to make them into movies was still something brand new that we hadn't seen before while also posing a massive risk. It was daring, bold, fresh, but it also payed off. This movie feels so safe like not one risk was taken throughout the entirety of its creation process...them showing the LotR clips showed me they had no faith in their own work, and if they have no faith then why should I?

[@G.I_Jane]

@@le_fancy_squid yep its the equivalent of disney bringing back a senile harrison ford back just to sell their new movie based of nostalgia.

[@helgardkwiatkoski7135]

@@le_fancy_squid Yes, that's what I felt when I watched the trailers --- the inclusion of clips from LotR actually diminished the clips from War of the Rohirrim. Bad move, counterproductive.

[@cbleman]

“One Woman to rule them, One Woman to find them, One Woman to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them”

[@timz9862]

Sounds like a dom-fetish movie.

[@Texaspokem11]

I tried to watch this last night but I didn't manage to stay awake to finish it! 😂

[@UltraGalaxyify]

It's shit like this that is gradually making me swear off ALL modern Western entertainment.

[@lordarchon2572]

​@stopthewarbetweenrussiaand3895 this is western. It's written by white people. It's owned by American companies. It's not anime.

[@UltraGalaxyify]

@stopthewarbetweenrussiaand3895 *facepalm* Tell me you're trolling and not actually this stupid

[@sigma6656]

You should have done that years ago.

[@rin7564]

Saw the Trailer for this while watching Godzilla Minus One again in the theater a few months ago. Me and my kids did a collective groan and i said, "Great, another girl boss in Lord of the Rings". The guys in the row in front of me laughed.

[@casbyness]

One day soon a smart writer will produce a TV show or movie where every single character is a girlboss and they spend the whole story all trying to out-girlboss each other. It'll be glorious.

[@rin7564]

@@casbyness Happens already in real life, in any female dominated work field... Nursing, education, etc. Its exhausting. Was telling a student of mine one time that I don't ever want to work for another female again and she thought I was crazy and sexist... little did she know what was waiting for her on the outside in nursing.

[@casbyness]

@@rin7564 I think that's a very different thing, with almost exactly opposing motivations. It would make just as hilarious a movie though, and be a lot more honest about how women actually behave in the workplace.

[@CowCommando]

When I was young, I used to wish for Hollywood to pick up my favorite book series and turn them into movies. Now, I pray Hollywood never finds them.

[@quasarleon4645]

For the last time ... There's only ONE LOTR Book Series ! And only ONE LOTR Movie Series ! Period .

[@LoPro]

And they do not share power

[@llywyllngryffyn8053]

I was never optimistic this one. It smelled like another girl-power story from the start. As soon as they mentioned 'Hera' the unnamed character we named.. blah blah blah I heard 'We are miking up a bunch of BS to give you another Girl Power story you didn't ask for and don't want'.

[@FacloFormerFavorite]

This is the definition of judging a book by its cover. You saw a female protagonists and immediately hated her.

[@jarogniewtheconqueror2804]

​@@FacloFormerFavoriteNope. Seeing and recognizing patterns is a sign of common sense and intelligence

[@dagda3000]

@@FacloFormerFavorite Dude, what you talking about? It is Helm the first 20 minutes, than hero Hera and her female warrior friends take over and kick the men's behinds. Total Marry Sue movie.

[@MJeeEm-fg8md]

I listened to the commentaries again recently, and Phillipa Boyens noticeably sh*ts on Tolkien a few times in them, which Fran and Peter don't really do. Amazing that she's the one given the work.

[@Zenthe_]

@@FacloFormerFavorite No... why even try to cash in on Tolkiens work if you are going to change it? It's pattern recognition. Back in the day when I saw a female lead in something I didn't even think twice about it. These days it's 50/50 going to be garbage because of ideology. I miss female characters having.. character. It's good to watch your lead characters suffer.. to struggle.. to come out a better person because of it. All these female main characters are just great at everything from the start. I find them boring for the same reason I've always found Superman boring.

[@sigmacademy]

Meanwhile, I watched Diabolik: Who Are You (2023) last night, where an important side character got murdered by a vicious group of bank robbers, and the two women who fear what happened to their guys after the get ambushed, have to put their heads and resources together to form a plan to save them from certain death. WITHOUT feeling the need to destroy their male counterparts. Imagine that - ACTUAL strong female characters that Hollywood REFUSES to acknowledge they exist.

[@Sentry820]

Good thing I cancelled my ticket

[@osedor]

make up your own mind. stop being a sheep. smh

[@Maitreya0208]

“Lord of the Rings Commits Mary Sue-icide” What, again?!?

[@thatredhead3613]

They really don't tho

[@dk-814]

Saying this is better than Rings of Power is like comparing a successful transposition of Beethoven's 5th into polka to a failed one. "Better" is not a compliment.

[@RhysCallinan-hf7qx]

Like comparing Hulk Hogan to Lizzo

[@thePouncingPurplePanther]

We need to Make Writing Great Again!!!

[@kevingame3198]

You know, but here's one problem, though it's achieving.Perfection is impossible regardless of whether you want to have good writing or not because because good writing is impossible perfect writing

[@raskolnikov6443]

@@kevingame3198we don’t need perfection, just good writing.

[@pheunithpsychic-watertype9881]

It still is. Just not on this hemisphere

[@Lysande1337]

@@pheunithpsychic-watertype9881 We don't lack great writers - we lack employed great writers.

[@theyellowarchitect4504]

step 1: Liquify blackrock/vanguard/statestreet

[@realistic_delinquent]

Hera living up to her namesake by being insufferable, then?

[@walterwilliams9372]

Two Thumbs Up...

[@Cancoillotteman]

At least Zeus' wife got some good reasons for it, she's had to put up with a lot.

[@itsabouttthattime]

​@@CancoillottemanAll she had to do was not gaf where he stuck his lightning bolt🤷🏼‍♂️ It's not like he was breathing down HER neck. She spent every waking moment making 3rd parties miserable to troll him.😵

[@SukiNoKoe]

Not really. She doesn't even kill that many people lol

[@ShwumeZilume]

I honestly thought WoTR was great. Dont let the culture war fanatics rage bait you. It takes no more liberties with the lore than pj did and has a female main character big whoop

[@ultimateslinger9857]

If someone like this sat down for a date, they’d probably be like: “Wait, girlfriends are female?! Dating is WOKE!”

[@hagarddunord8410]

Yeah, she's certainly not as horrific as Guyladriel. At least she cares for her family and people around her. And she's not looking angry and shouting at everyone. But she's waaaaaaay too perfect. This is the kind of character you should not write past the age of 10. 5/10 for the scenery and Helm being a badass. And i feel generous.

[@Kiddo_04]

Éowyn was a *real* strong female character in the original films, and it is insane that they got her actress to narrate this anime, trying to draw a parallel between her and Hera, like Hera is anywhere near the same level as her. Éowyn earned her power and her respect through her blood sweat and tears. Her onscreen presence is not soon forgotten. Who is going to remember this generic anime redhead? People complain there aren’t enough female characters in the stories… but all the ones that do appear are forces of nature - Galadriel (Cate Blanchett, not the other one), Arwen, Éowyn. These characters are literally and figuratively powerful, and perfectly portrayed by the actresses that played them. We *don’t* need “girl bossing” because it is shallow and fake and demeaning. Girl bosses have plot armor and male incompetence because the writers can’t imagine women being capable to do hard work on their own without those things. They admire strong characters like Èowyn, but they can’t write those character themselves because these writers are shallow.

[@helgardkwiatkoski7135]

Hear, hear! You're so right!

[@SolarisKane]

Am I the only one who hated the Éowyn character?

[@Alkhtrz420]

What?! Eowyn was wack as hell in the movies 😂 She was annoying 🤦‍♂️

[@Alkhtrz420]

​@@SolarisKanehaha naah I hate her too

[@Kiddo_04]

@@Alkhtrz420 agree to disagree 😂I see what you mean though

[@emreaydemirx]

What I hated the most except Hera killing Wulf was Gandalf memberberry. It was so inorganic, they said he has many names, then they showed his sigil, and then because we are all idiots; they had to say his name. I wasn't completely hating the movie until then tbh.

[@JoshuaHopkins-j9o]

Modern women have no idea what makes a woman powerful

[@lancevance60]

Yeah they do. This shit only exists because of their constant whining. Constant whining is their power.

[@JoshuaHopkins-j9o]

@@lancevance60 ... You make a valid point That said... I was talking about the "Sacred Feminine" construct that you would find in ancient Celtic tradition. Keeper of Hearth & Home... and all the magical properties that come with that. Master of the Sacred Cauldron (both womb and cooking pot) to create and sustain life. The one who marks the Sabbaths and performs the rituals to sustain the wheel of the year. The cutting of roots... so on and so forth. This is the power of a woman... and the understanding of it is gone from this world

[@Ginger_Tank]

The movie would've probably been better if Hammer Hand was the main protagonist

[@TheJmlew11]

Or his nephew Freelaf

[@DestructoDisk]

I agree. The Lord of the Rings trilogy benefited greatly by having Frodo be the main character instead of somebody of no importance to the actual plot, like this film.

[@alnu8355]

And his hand was a literal hammer. How did his hand turn into a hammer? Was he born with it? Does he do carpentry as a side gig? How does he pee standing up? We the audience will never know...

[@kazookiddo7605]

She was killed and her name wasn’t even mentioned. That shows that she was an irrelevant character, but hey they had to make her the main character just to appeal “modern” audience

[@Lornext]

When it looks like shit and smells like shit... You know.

[@SilkSonic-c9z]

why tf do ppl on right want to see unnecessary pairing relationship in everything

[@JalekNordin-s9n]

It's liberal

[@mkeogh76]

The girlboss trope is as fresh as month-old milk that's been left in the sun. Geez, Hollywood, enough! Also, one of its writers is the nepobaby daughter of Phillipa Boyens.

[@scifiwriter98]

My only question is, when will they stop giving their audience the same story? Hollywood has been losing money but they haven't changed course.

[@spartanmuse]

@@scifiwriter98 I’d say they just want to spread The Message… or this is a huge scheme for money laundering 🤔

[@SukiNoKoe]

Hera's not a girlboss though.

[@scifiwriter98]

@SukiNoKoe Dd you even watch the video of Gary's review? She's the definition of a girlboss.

[@SukiNoKoe]

@@scifiwriter98 I watched the freaking movie lol Do "girlbosses" let themselves be kidnapped and then cry "I can't" when their father tells them to take his place? SHE HAS FLAWS. She wasn't Captain Marvel, she wasn't Utter Perfection; she got depressed and scared and hurt like a normal woman does. 🤨She didn't lead the war because she CHOSE to; she was forced into that position after her brothers and father all DIED.

[@nickcoleman9618]

It's Helm's ridiculous acrobatic and combat ability that's the most unbelievable. I wouldn't praise the costume design too much, white starched collars and thigh high boots really look Rohirrim to me.

[@George_Fl0yd]

Transformers one didn’t deserve to flop

[@ParkerCS2]

Exactly it was a masterpiece.

[@theoregontruckerT880]

It was actually great

[@Kielimies]

TF One: "Fembots are better than malebots in every way"

[@maxmazzotti6651]

It was truly more than meets the eye

[@kenmaru777]

How the fck writing without breathing?!!

[@BazookaIke]

When they remake Lord of the Rings some day, Helm's Deep will be renamed Hera's Deep.

[@DrLicuid]

- But Fagamir, shouldn't it be Hera's Wall? She was Lady of Rohan, princess and shit. - My dear Soymi, she was strong and independent modern princess. Now get in line and enter Hera's gaping gates that saw better times.

[@toothgrinder2760]

We didn’t need ROP. We didn’t need War of the Rohirrim. We don’t need a Gollum movie, and we don’t need anything else that will ruin Tolkiens legacy. Hollywood, just stop.

[@BalrajTakhar-u7u]

If it was done as by some fan fiction films with love of the lore & faithfulness to it then it would not be an issue. I imagine everyone who loves Tolkien was so excited for the Rings of Power and it's possibilities only for it to be taken over by people who just interested in putting in agendas, DEI & who have never read Tolkien.

[@ArwenUndomiel406]

It’s fucking astonishing the amount of cinematic sludge, that we get to suffer through these last 15 years.

[@stephengraves8030]

Why can’t they just stick to the books… The secret to the movie series’ success was the LACK of any outside interference or agendas. It was true to Tolkien in the purest form, the books we love! PJ said so in an interview after the movie’s success and it was nominated for 20 different Oscar’s.

[@timz9862]

There’s plenty of things Jackson’s version changed from the books. For instance: Arwen’s involvement (she’s barely in the books), lack of Glorfindel, no Tom Bombadil, the change to the Paths of the Dead, the way Saruman died and the scouring of the Shire. Particularly, the decision to have more of Arwen was definitely an outside agenda by the studio to have a love interest that was palpable on screen. For the most part, I love Jackson’s movies, but there was plenty of agendas, as there are in all big-budget movies.

[@ArquiVeo]

Because they have to push their political agendas, the Lotr stuff is simple Troyan Horse makeup for us masses to sit and consume their speech.

[@xWriterclarenocturnexx]

​@@timz9862 No, Arwen involvement works because many of the movie watchers are going to be non book readers, so in a way introduce her to the audience. Nothing wrong with that. It isn't a major loss to remove Glorfindel, since he is just there and then gone.

[@timz9862]

@@xWriterclarenocturnexx Just saying, it wasn't Tolkien in the purest form from the books.

[@hasseo195]

@@xWriterclarenocturnexx Liked the new movie. I dont know the books, and dont knowed what was to happen from the lore, that existed to the new movie. Aside of some animation problems and the weird background, was it mostly nice. Story was good. All the character are likeable in there roles. Hera is a friendly, good looking character (rare for the western side) and is someone, who needed multiple times help and resuce. I only had wished, that she had 1 clear defeat in the movie (each times when she had trouble, came the rescue nearly instantly). The fights was even equaly, because she used a shield, while the others didnt (my complain to that: by the arrow scene: Why didnt any rider used the shield, that they had, and how did the arrows pierced thought every armor, like it was butter). Its true, that practicly all the stuff she did, was in the original lore the second kings doing. But, it doesnt bother, if you dont know that lore. And, because Eowyn is the storyteller, could you even say, that she was changing some stuff, to inspiring girls to become shield maids. In overall was the movie entertaining and Hera as a character is on the same lvl, as most other female anime mc or charas like clone wars Ashoka or 90er cartoon Mulan.

[@jamesbond3125]

i thought it was overally pretty good. theres some gorl bossy stuff but its stomachable, kinda like furiosa but not as good

[@Rekaert]

I saw the writing on the wall when they did the Hobbit with an unnecessary female hero character insert. Because it was Jackson, I gave it the benefit of doubt, but the more I looked at Philippa Boyens, and even Fran and found all of the feminist push in the movies came from them, even as far back as the original trilogy. They were constantly pushing to expand the female roles and make them less as Tolkien wrote them, and more in line with modern expectations, which is why Arwen's more of a warrior elf, and Eowyn goes on a "ain't no man gonna tell me" arc. They wanted Arwen at Helm's Deep until it was leaked and received a bit of a fan backlash, so she was removed. Apparently she's still visible in some shots of the theatrical release. In the originals the agenda it was just 'relatively' low-key, but you can see how they gained more ground with each movie. Alas, the modern Message has insidiously worked its way to New Zealand too.

[@alannolan5126]

11:10 she doesn't wanna Merry any men because she LOVES her Horse, and NO MEN CAN BE WITH HER

[@uruuruis]

Don't insult Cicciolina like this!

[@kvltovpersonality6290]

The frustrating thing is, unlike RoP, which was always going to be trash, this really could’ve been great. And now it’s so mid even the critics think it’s mid

[@Jeff-sm8ix]

it's incredible how much they hate their audience.

[@lotharrenz4621]

What was that, 60 companies tried to make this animation? That explains why in these snippets, the animation alters between fluid and rocky as heck. Just so the makers know, the old anime movies and series looked like that because the studios had to cut corners left and right to afford to do their own projects inbetween comissioned stuff like those series done after european children's books, back in the 70's. doesn't mean it does not make people'ys eyes water. But back then the scripts were good, so we kids suffered through nit happily.

[@Zanzoltan]

Two girlbosses in two different projects. Hollyweird doesn't learn. Glad I saw the PJ's trilogy on theaters.

[@racheltheradiant4675]

I'm so tired of girlbosses and I'm a girl! 😩😩 I started writing a fanfic of how Elrond met Celebrian, but it's for my eyes only. But i can promise, she's no girlboss or Mary Sue!

[@Redditor6079]

That's extremely problematic 😐.