Louisiana Schools to Display Ten Commandments

Louisiana's republican governor Jeff Landry just signed a law ordering all schools to display the 10 commandments in every classroom. Let's talk about it, and remind ourselves what the 10 C's actually are and why this is so silly.
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[@Dan-xh4fv]

If anyone reading this is in the United States, please consider donating to the Freedom From Religion Foundation, Americans United for Separation of Church and State, and the American Civil Liberties Union - they are going to be leading the legal charge against this.

[@ryaneaston3487]

Link pls.🤲

[@countryballs7793]

Can I donate from a foreign country?

[@Dan-xh4fv]

@@ryaneaston3487 KZbin keeps removing my post with the links, but you can search those organizations and donate.

[@Thomastheattackengine]

​@@countryballs7793yes, you can.

[@Ms_Nightshade]

Yes, you can donate from most countries outside of the United States. The FFRF and AUSCS are important organizations active in defending and maintain our essential Constitutional right to the division of church and State. Like many of us, if you can’t afford a monetary donation, follow them on social media platforms and promote posts you find especially compelling. Every little thing helps, and doing anything is considerably more than doing nothing.

[@jimaureli6475]

"You will love me and obey me, or else." Classic abusive relationship.

[@oldschoolman1444]

You forgot to worship part! 😅

[@etinloki]

That's what the LGBTQ+ community has been saying for several years now. The people on the left are no strangers to compelling others to adopt their values.

[@UncleKennysPlace]

The thoughts of a sadistic psychopath.

[@fallenking578]

God is just the Mafia trying to get you to worship them to save you from what they'll do if you don't. It's all a protection wrecket

[@paulovitorsouzanunes4854]

But somehow, he is the most benevolent and loving thing on the planet, figures

[@tjet34]

Tbf, from what I understand "don't take his name in vain" is supposed to be more "don't pretend you're speaking for god when you aren't". People just turned it into "don't say his name" because that's better than admitting they're not supposed to claim to know his wishes when they're talking out their asses.

[@emanymton713]

It’s things like saying “ I swear to God” and not actually meaning it. Saying “ goddammit” out of anger… don’t go around casually throwing around “God’s name”.

[@AdeptPaladin]

It's also partially likely due to magical incantations as well - most religions believe names have power, so using their god's name in vain would be to invoke their power (and draw their attention), thus debasing and offending them.

[@sparroweyes498]

How interesting!

[@nancycorbin7317]

Most people don't even know His Name , nevermind being an ambassador of His Kingdom, you know , all those I come in the Name of The King...

[@farkasmactavish]

It's more about don't say his ACTUAL NAME unless you really mean it. "God" is his title.

[@Burtimus02]

I think this is actually a very positive step toward Louisiana’s education goals. Currently Louisiana is 47th out of 50 states for educational excellence. This is a very strong step toward becoming 50th.

[@azbz9075]

Yes, but they face a lot of competition from neighboring states.

[@imartotun]

How?

[@Burtimus02]

@@imartotun By focusing their students on what truly matters in life: Iron Age superstitious practices over frivolous silliness, such as science, math, language, or actual history.

[@MinionofNobody]

I am a retired attorney in the USA. As an attorney, I had a good deal of expertise in the intersection of religion and the law. Until a few years ago, I would be completely comfortable in saying that the use of government resources to promote religion was a clear violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. That has all changed in the Trump era. I no longer feel that I can predict how courts are likely to rule on this issue. Perhaps worse, it would be difficult to advise clients how to proceed in the face of shifting political agendas and the fact that these political agendas are influencing the courts. I think I might be more inclined to argue these days that posting the Ten Commandments in a public school violates the rights of those students who are not Jewish or Christian under the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment. The logic here is that a student who is taught to conduct his life according to the principles of somebody else’s religion is not free to exercise their own religious beliefs. It is ludicrous on its face that one clause in the First Amendment might be more important than another clause in the First Amendment but that’s my best guess on how things might work out in practice.

[@cardinal_Arche]

As a, hopefully, soon to be attorney who is currently studying for the UBE. Thank you for your comment. I hadn't even considered the implications of advising prospective clients on what courts are likely to rule based on recent history. But, as your comment illustrates, it is a concern that clearly needs addressing. If nothing else, the events since Trump's election have demonstrated that our judicial system has been tangibly compromised by bad actors with political agendas. Trump did not start it, but his appointees definitely highlighted the problem.

[@lcplaztec]

I'm a Rabbi, and I'd argue that it violates the free exercise clause for Jewish students as well, since the translations will undoubtedly be Christian in nature, and most numerations of them differ among Jewish, Catholic, and Protestant versions.

[@MinionofNobody]

@@lcplaztec One of the reasons the founding fathers did not adopt Christianity as the official religion was that they could not agree whose version of Christianity they should adopt. Nobody wanted to be forced to practice somebody else’s version of it. The folks clamoring for Christianity to be adopted as the national religion today have lost sight of this fact. Would the Roman Catholic Church, the Methodists, the Four Square Church, the Baptists, the Church of Latter Day Saints, the Church of Christian Science, the Pentecostals, the Seventh Day Adventists, or somebody else be dictating the way in which Christians and non Christian’s would have to worship? As a strong advocate for the separation of church and state, I really think we should be hammering this issue home to the Christian right.

[@whatifschrodingersboxwasacofin]

Sorry, how is adding on detracting from? There is no contraction or reduction in exercising one’s religious beliefs simply from having words visible that one can freely choose to give no weight. Nobody is enforcing those words. It is actually a good thing, beneficial to the child, if a child is motivated to ask a question and a learning opportunity about the varieties of religions occurs. In school, where learning is the objective. You can teach *about* something with teaching the subject matter. There is no penalty for not reading the Ten, nor for inadherence. No child is ever required to even notice them; there will be no morning salutes. The only power in the words themselves is that given by how they ‘are’, there on the wa… …oh, silly me. We’re talking about Americans. It will be so ridiculously overdone with stars, stripes, angels, trumpets, lights, and probably horrid music that it will, indeed, be oppressive by its mere existence. Never mind. There are lots of us retired lawyers out here on the internet… 🇨🇦

[@whatifschrodingersboxwasacofin]

@@lcplaztec”undoubtedly”. Feel like you’re more part of the problem, or the solution, Rabbi? Your prejudice is literally showing.

[@lockedonlaw]

Louisiana has the death penalty. So much for the ten commandments.

[@davidchapman356]

On the other hand, God has the Death Penalty also .....

[@07Flash11MRC]

"Rules for thee, not for me!" - religious folks everywhere

[@thevoid8578]

SELF-RIGHTEOUS-VENGENCE!

[@Inlittlewayseverythingstays]

I agree that the death penalty is disgusting. However, the ten commandments only prohibit murder, not the death penalty. Any misunderstanding about this is based on mistranslations.

[@michaelmccluskey1155]

@@davidchapman356 Where is this “god” you speak of? School shootings Different places of worship shootings Grocery store shootings Cancer War Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion. Don’t forget that.

[@momcharlin517]

If they win the law suits, then they win. If they lose the law suits, then they also win because then they are being persecuted. They loooooove their persecution complexes. Unfortunately, the money for these lawsuits will come from the Louisiana taxpayers. They are already one of the poorest states.

[@GWNorth-db8vn]

Louisiana ranks between 46th and 49th in virtually every category.

[@katyungodly]

Red states take the most subsidies. They are leeches on the backs of the more productive blue states.

[@Gnomeof9]

Dangerous. Literally one of the first steps in project 2025

[@Anonyomus_commenter]

Given that “thou shalt not murder” is commonly written as “thou shalt not kill”, and Louisiana is a death penalty state, the governor should be looking inward

[@kyleepratt]

And all those cops...

[@mikeappleget482]

Hypocrisy is baked into the Republican cake. They do not care one iota about contradictions in their beliefs.

[@BATCHARRO]

What's funny is the original intent was closer to "don't commit first degree murder." The Bible doesn't believe you shouldn't ever kill anyway there's death penalty stuff there's like if two guys are fighting and one of them dies there's war. It's not this more grandiose conception of "never kill baby life is precious". But like if you're gonna render it as thou shalt not kill then you kinda have to accept that version of it. You can't write it like that and then say "what it means was..."

[@silvercloud1641]

@@mikeappleget482 Strom Thurmond republicans? Ted Haggard?? Do as they say...

[@silvercloud1641]

@@BATCHARRO Psalm 137:9 for pro-life! I'm pro-life, except when celebrating Passover. RIP Egyptian first borns. Logic and reason from an outdated 2000 year old book that once said it was ok to stone people to death. People, burnt at the stake? While pretending to supposedly love one another? Biblical contradictions? No thanks. Btw, how did Noah repopulate America's Indigenous animal populations, when according to written history The Americas weren't discovered yet by peoples in those regions over in Egypt or Rome until 1492? It's an exaggerated story, at best.

[@chibbersthesquirrel6189]

I don't know how anybody could possibly argue in good faith that having a command in every room that students "shall have no other God before me" isn't a violation of the free exercise clause. You don't even have to go to separation of church and state, it's a violation of both clauses

[@anonymoususer188]

The phrase "separation of church and state" isn't technically in the first amendment. It's just a widely accepted extension of it that has mountains of legal precedent supporting it. That being said, yes, this flies in the face of the free exercise clause and the idea of separation of church and state.

[@nobody.of.importance]

It's also a violation of free speech. Putting that up in a classroom implies you endorse it as a teacher. The only rational response to this is put up an equally large and easily readable copy of the seven tenets right next to it.

[@joachimschoder]

@@anonymoususer188 The establishment clause is pretty straight forward. And right wing politician want to force their ideology on the rest of the country in the name of Christianity. Of course they will ignore the parts of the Bible that doesn't fit with their wanted policies and add stuff that isn't in there but really "should be" (like hating trans people)

[@katyungodly]

I would absolutely put up the 7 Tenets of satanism beside it. They're infinitely more moral, which would induce doubt and probably deconvert a lot of questioning Christian kids.

[@chibbersthesquirrel6189]

@@anonymoususer188 Correct, "separation of church and state" isn't in the first amendment in just the same way that "freedom of speech" and "freedom of religion" aren't found there either

[@esasaurus2456]

I’m a teacher, and let me tell you. I do not get paid enough for all the regulations this dystopian hellscape keeps throwing at us.

[@kylezo]

Average teacher pay in America has actually gone down by $100/week adjusted for inflation since the 80's. On the other hand, privatized "curriculum consultancy" corporations have extracted hundreds of millions of dollars directly from state public education funding accounts. We shouldn't be surprised that capitalism is privatizing quality of life and survival necessities; that's the entire point of a capitalist system.

[@walmartfunk]

And yet pride flags are displayed in my children's school and that is celebrated.

[@XmasIsHere]

​@@walmartfunkbeing LGBTQ+ is not a religion, which is the legal difference. I also wanted to ask, why do you dislike the flag? I don't want to make assumptions!

[@esasaurus2456]

@@kylezo not surprised. Just dejected. Most teachers charge into the hellscape because they love kids and want to make a difference beyond the capitalist framework. It’s hard being explicitly told by our leaders that we are not allowed to do so.

[@wesleywyndam-pryce5305]

​@@walmartfunk yes. as they should be. you complaining indicates you a unfit to be a parent.

[@nmappraiser9926]

First Amendment: The government can't favor any religion over any other. First Commandment: Thou shalt favor my religion over all others. American Fundamentalists: I see no conflict here.

[@Rochester92G]

Literally not what the First Commandment said. It's an establishment of Monotheism and devotion to the Creator of the Universe. Nice gaslighting and unintelligent interpretation. By the way, The Ten Commandments has had a huge role in shaping current civilizations and rule of law as we know it.

[@rubytiger13]

​@@Rochester92Gwhat is the difference

[@Ohbeepgcp]

It will get revoked and then give them a reason to claim religion is being attacked and banned

[@RichWoods23]

They're hoping they can get a friendly judge to refer an appeal case to the Supreme Court, where even if it doesn't get ruled upon they'll know they can fire up the Christian Nationalists and bring Gilead one step closer.

[@joachimschoder]

It should get revoked. However the current Supreme Court favors far right policies over the actual constitution. So I wouldn't count on it.

[@bbureau12]

100% this. For context I'm American and Christian, but am a strong believer in civil rights and the separation of church and state.

[@TheSteveBoyd]

Exactly.

[@KikenZedalu]

This is 100% the point. To stoke the fire, keep the outrage at a boiling point as long as possible.

[@milesobrien4231]

As a resident of Louisiana, this is entirely unsurprising and is guaranteed to be struck down. Jeff Landry loved getting his ass handed to him as AG and he clearly still loves it as governor. I'm personally convinced Landry has a humiliation kink. edit: 3:00 To be clear, this is NOT free for the people of Louisiana. The taxpayers are going to be footing the bill on any and all challenges.

[@noellalexander9527]

i would say "guaranteed' in the past, but lately?? let's just hope.

[@DustinKillyact]

Im from Louisiana also... Im doing construction in a public school... Every classroom currently has IN GOD WE TRUST printed out every where... They are brainwashing our children illegally always have always will...thats why Louisiana is the most ignorant, corrupt and crime ridden state...

[@jeffmacdonald9863]

They'll foot the bill for the challenges, but there's no state level funding for the displays of the commandments themselves. Individual schools/districts would have to scrape up money for that somewhere.

[@DustinKillyact]

A religtard must have deleted my comment... They are using school board money to promote religion if they are using public property and school printers to post (in gawd we trust) in every class room...we took gawd out of public education because gawd doesn't exist so bringing religion back into education is going to make our children back delusional like the stone ages

[@benbullard2298]

I lived in Baton Rouge for 15 years, leaving recently, and I can assure folks that neither Jeff Landry nor the legislators that passed this legislation actually follow the 10 commandments much less the other 603 commandments in the old testament.

[@davidponseigo8811]

I am from Louisiana and I despise our Governor. We all do not think and believe like he does. I am a law enforcement officer in Louisiana and we have so many strange laws in this state and to be honest I don't like enforcing some of them and I actually have refused on some. Religion is your own business and should be kept to themselves. Please have pity on us here that believe in freedom of speech and freedom in general and are also required to enforce the law. This state is why I am retiring early and moving to the Caribbean and have already started looking for where.

[@noellalexander9527]

It is absolutely unconstitutional but then so is running for office with a felony conviction.

[@lazykbys]

Oddly enough, being a convicted felon doesn't disqualify someone from running for POTUS. There's even a precedent for it, namely Eugene V. Debs in 1920.

[@nimbleline]

The idea is that the current Supreme Court is particularly likely to rule in favor of something like this, so they're throwing stuff at the wall until something sticks

[@DaveLH]

Same strategy they used to overturn Roe v. Wade, as it happens.

[@glenmorrison8080]

Yup. It will get to SCOTUS and I suspect a 5-4 ruling saying it's fine because we have a "history and tradition" of citing the ten commandments in governance. They just decided a copyright case on 1A grounds using that Bruen logic, and I think that what's coming here.

[@bbureau12]

Wondering if this will backfire and de-motivate the more moderate Republicans l.

[@martinmckee5333]

​@@bbureau12I would like to think so, but I'm not that optimistic generally. I guess I'll see how this turns out. In any case, there are many other states that are hoping to do the same, so if it doesn't get overturned quickly, this might be much more widespread come the new school year.

[@katyungodly]

@bbureau12 nope, there isn't a backfire effect in politics. The only effect would be moving the Overton window to the right, so all our conversations are right wing. Can't advocate for left wing policies when you're busy beating back fascism.

[@jahipalmer8782]

Hello. According to the Associated Press, "In 1980, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a similar Kentucky law was unconstitutional and violated the establishment clause of the U.S. Constitution, which says Congress can “make no law respecting an establishment of religion.” The high court found that the law had no secular purpose but rather served a plainly religious purpose."

[@Aganoize]

They're trying to get around rulings by adding historical context below the ten commandments. As to identify it as a "historical" document rather than a religious one.

[@Simmons8519]

...and the current supreme court has 0% interest in legal precedent or in the idea of a continuing separation of church and state...

[@TimeElf1]

Except that the current SC is almost all GoP so they are likely to further the cause of anything Christian Nationalist.

[@desperadox7565]

Yea, but it's not 1980 anymore and the SCOTUS is a joke.

[@iancurrie8844]

There is already controlling supreme court precedent on this matter. However, the lawmakers and Governor have said "I hope they sue" because they know Christian Theocratic Fascists hold the majority on the supreme court now and are hoping to have the precedent reversed.

[@alexhajnal107]

I met a priest once who gave the reason for pushing religion into schools as "You have get them when they're young or else they'll never believe."

[@Riverwinds]

That is how indoctrination works!

[@davidg4288]

A lot of (but not all) children will question or outright reject their parents' religious beliefs once they reach adulthood. I think this is wired into the human brain as protection against stagnation of society. Think for yourself and question authority!

[@justin2308]

Even as a believer, that rises red flags. Acts clearly shows people coming to the faith AS ADULTS. Parents are supposed to teach and raise their children the way they should go.

[@TriggerHappy-hd1cl]

i met a priest who said, you have to get them to love the religion, not force them into it. based take.

[@irenafarm]

I want to put all the D&D base classes and their characteristics on every classroom wall.

[@SwashBuckTief]

👏

[@rbenfield3]

It's just another way for conservative Christians to feel superior and in control. It's just gross and frankly hypocritical.

[@Atylonisus]

Ah, so their lifeblood then?

[@Jamnik06]

Agreed. Also, nice Jersey! KKPsi alum here, as well. UCF ‘93

[@edwardschneider5194]

Freedom of religion is also Freedom from religion

[@danieleyre8913]

What an excellent initiative this is. It is sure to help Louisiana deal with its extraordinarily high rates of teen pregnancy, teen drug abuse, low rate of educational attainment, etc.

[@princekyle4132]

Fr. Conservatives don’t care about *actual* problems, just their made up persecution complex 💀

[@modernorpheus]

I like the NRSV, since it's the most accurate an English version can be to the original text. For example, in the 4th Commandment, it doesn't say "your male or female servant" but "your male or female slave." Because remember that the Bible never, ever forbids slavery.

[@DarkZerol]

If anything the Bible encourages slavery especially through obedience. Also guess what, slavery was a norm and incredibly widespread when the Bible was written.

[@dbt5224]

Grade 1: student “Mrs. Stephens, what is adultery? Is the teacher allowed to answer? How many parents will complain about teaching their children about sex?

[@irenafarm]

“What day is the Sabbath?”

[@Argeaux2]

They will just say, “Cheating on your wife. Have your parents explain that.”

[@sparroweyes498]

My thoughts exactly.

[@ReverendHowl]

"Well children, it's a lot like infantery..." *bangs own head on wall*

[@BolitaBalls]

Thank you for saying this!! The double standard is crazy!

[@georgem2334]

Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool -- Mark Twain

[@ThorDog16]

“Hey Grog if you give me that stone axe and spear I promise to pray to the sky father and he will bless you?” “Thanks… *stab* *stab* *stab*”

[@rivertam0713]

While I do agree completely with that "quote" it is spurious. It was never attributed to Twain before it appeared on the net in the early 2000's, It does not appear in any of his writings or known correspondences. The closest known saying comes well before Twain..... “the first prophet or diviner having been the first rogue who met the first fool.” ~ Voltaire 1736. Spurious quotes have become all the rage in the past few decades online. There are literally dozens attributed to Twain, Jefferson and even George Carlin.

[@stu1037]

"Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey, "He said for you to give me your f'ing share." - Rust Cohle (no chance of mis-attribution if you quote TV characters)

[@AndrewLakeUK]

@@rivertam0713 9/10 quotes you see on the internet are misattributed - Gandhi 1928.

[@zachgoff7796]

I’m from Louisiana, and my mom is a teacher. She has said “Hell no, I’m not putting this up in my classroom. Let them try to fire me.” I think she plans to put the Ten Commandments under her desk or somewhere out of sight. Or throw them away, we’ll see. All her colleagues are pissed about this too.

[@frankshailes3205]

Currently 58 people sit on Louisiana's death row. "Though shalt not kill". Hypocrites.

[@MrGonzo-xj2wk]

I mean the shalt not kill thing is bullshit anyway, since after handing moses the commandments god commands him and his army to commit a genocide.

[@woof9408]

I feel like it's to get their base outraged when it obviously doesn't go through. I can already hear them now saying they took God out of schools when he wasn't there to begin with.

[@quinn0517]

And that's why they are doing it. They've gotta keep them feeling persecuted somehow despite being living life on default settings

[@CHIEF_420]

🧂

[@EclecticGreyWitch]

It may also be a diversion for something bigger.

[@ruthspanos2532]

The thing is, everyone in schools are perfectly free to pray and practice their religions. People are nostalgic for the ‘good old days’ when everyone recited a prayer every morning. They forget that the Jewish and other students were oppressed by this back in the ‘good old days’. They refuse to imagine themselves as being in a minority. They fear becoming a minority. They feel that just being equal is oppression.

[@slimdifference08]

Unfortunately, they are already complaining about the lack of God in schools and blaming the removal of God for all the problems.

[@theobromine1213]

We need the code of Hammurabi in every classroom.

[@GatorScientist]

That's actually pretty long. Have to keep it limited to short attention spans.

[@patrickelliott2169]

Yeah, it would be a major laugh to have the ancient Christian version of slavery side beside with the Hammurabi version. "Well, you see, since we are Christians slaves could be kept indebt forever if they where foreigners and there children would always be slaves, if born during service, even if not foreign, because slaves could only be freed after paying off debts, and such children have no debts to pay off, and are property of the person who held their parent's debts." Ah, the gems of "superior" Christian morality schools could spread to the masses through this. lol

[@DrowSkinned]

I feel like the passing of this is a distraction in two major ways. 1- to make it seem like certain leaders are "doing their best for kids, while sweeping the cutting of actual learning, meals, teachers wages, ect under the table. "Look we love children, look at what we did to show we care" 2- the virtue signal in such a way as to distract from the chaos happening in a few particular parts of the world that the public has been noticing and speaking up on. Like we are children and have no object permanence.

[@perrypadgett]

absolutely a violation of the establishment clause in the first amendment

[@perrypadgett]

the Establishment Clause - says that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

[@MrGonzo-xj2wk]

Well yeah, but you forget one important Parr and that is that those things are vilified and hated in the bible belt.

[@isaac_owens9110]

Don’t worry, we’re also mad over here about it

[@bbureau12]

American here. Also Christian who happens to believe in basic civil rights and secular law. This is a calculated move and they are hoping that this will be overturned. They can then say that their opponent (AKA Biden) is anti-God and play the martyr. This will absolutely radicalize their base.

[@PrincessJamiG]

100% This is entirely a tactic in the overall goal of getting rid of public schools while installing fundamentalist American Christianity in public spaces, to the detriment of all citizens. Politicians like this know exactly what they're doing, and it's very concerning. They don't have to believe any of the commandments...just need to rile up their constituents for their own political gain.

[@anonymoususer188]

Yup. If you think critically about the policies that the "religious right" actually support, it becomes quickly apparent that they don't care about religion. It's just an easy talking point to radicalize their base and use as an excuse to justify their political agenda, even when the religion they claim to be following doesn't actually support said agenda. Nothing is actually for religious reasons. It's all carefully calculated publicity stunts and pushes to further political agendas. It's the same level of hypocrisy as the people banning books that so much as mention the existence of LGBTQ people "for the kids" being the same people who support child labor. At one point, I thought they simply didn't understand the faith they were trying to follow, but it didn't take long to realize they simply didn't care about religion at all.

[@nobody.of.importance]

I'm so sorry these evil monsters have taken over your religion. I have seen a massive uptick in christians standing up against this bullshit (pardon my french), which has been absolutely wonderful to see, but we can't give up. I know a lot of Christians who believe Trump is the actual anti-christ and given how conservatives are acting, it does match up quite well. I'm not religious personally, but I'm not against it as long as, well, what you said, basic civil rights. xD Keep up the good work, and I'll be proud to stand beside you, m8.

[@vladimirazubcekova7727]

would be funny if biden didnt actually care

[@bbureau12]

@@vladimirazubcekova7727 Agree. I imagine that this is going to get challenged and shot down either way. Biden will have nothing to do with it. Biden should mention how it's too bad we can't have such things. It would seriously confuse the right.

[@suqmadiq68]

They don't want kids to read the constitution.

[@gamingbuddy3551]

A priest thought his phone had been stolen so he decided to preach on the 10 commandments. . .When he came to you shall not commit adultery he remembered where he had left his phone.

[@jamesrule1338]

Well, they couldn't put up The Beatitudes. Blessed are the merciful? Blessed are the meek? Blessed are the peacemakers? That doesn't sound American. EDIT: for the record, I would prefer no religious themed posters being forced into all classrooms. But the evangelical obsession with the 10 commandments annoys me.

[@25dancemom]

That’s my home state! Always covering itself in glory! In all seriousness it breaks my heart every time people with 1840’s mentalities keep repeating the sins of the past. Louisiana and its people have so much to offer but decades of racism, ignorance and corruption have destroyed that potential. There’s a reason so many people have left the state but the people in charge can’t seem to figure it out.

[@scloftin8861]

There are days when I miss Louisiana ... grew up there. Like today, when the temps are triple digits It's a beautiful place but politics keeps screwing things up.

[@k31than]

If you're feeling bad or if it makes you feel bad, don't be. Just think of Florida. ;P

[@nexttytreporter2598]

Thank you Emma, for being angry about something that doesn't immediately affect you. This is the only way we can change the world. Edit: unfortunately from an American. What I am hearing from experts in the legal field is that challenges to this law will be unsuccessful in the end, because of our corrupted Supreme Court.

[@fishdaddy35]

The Ten Commandments should be permanently displayed at Mar a Lago!!

[@Hoodi3knee]

as someone who lives in the U.S., help please. and yes this is unconstitutional.

[@StiveGuy]

US Politicians can you not be scumbags for five minutes.

[@joachimschoder]

You forgot the prefix "Republican politicians". This isn't a both party issue. And yes, this is important, since it shows how important it is to vote for Democrats. They are not perfect, but they aren't fascists (like Trump clearly is).

[@Patriot009]

Louisiana has a Republican supermajority in the state legislature, hence ridiculous laws like this that violate the 1st amendment. They also recently passed a law requiring surgical castration of certain sex offenders, which is arguably a violation of the 8th amendment.

[@garrettwhite3922]

​@@joachimschodernah I think he got it right. While republicans afe overt fascists most of the dems are just fascism-lite.

[@katyungodly]

Republicans/conservatives*

[@NightmareRex6]

@@joachimschoder lol ok. it IS both sides. both do own dumb crap. if only knew that they were all friends and the "fighting" in politics is a circus show.

[@noneya3635]

God is a valley girl is the coolest concept ever. You need to do a skit on that with your muppet clone Emma PUHLEASE!

[@wriptag3]

Buddhism has five precepts that are simply better. 1. Don't kill, with an exception of defense, necessity. This includes animals. The Bibles do not murder allows the government to have people kill and the church, you can commit genocide and it's okay. 2. Don't steal, this is the same. 3. Do not commit sex offenses. No kids, no cheating on or with people in committed relationships, no rape, no sex with monastics. There is no requirement for marriage, no anti LGBT. 4. No false witness. Surprisingly, the exact same as the Bible, and people also assume it means no lying when it actually means no lying when people ask you to be a witness. This rule is because lying as a witness helps to break the first three precepts. 5. No getting intoxicated or sloth inducing drugs. This one is because being intoxicated leads to breaking the first four precepts. While sloth inducing drugs keep you from performing your duties. Casual drug use and having a couple of beers or wine is fine. Overall, a ton more reasonable. Not explicitly religious, either. Implicitly religious because if you break them your reincarnation could be in a bad place

[@Ms_Nightshade]

Once again, proving that the world really IS going to hell, we present Louisiana…

[@louistournas120]

Once in while, they USA does this sort of it, then it gets challenged and reverted in courts. It is a big waste of taxpayer money.

[@michaelmccluskey1155]

@@louistournas120 Bingo.

[@ChristopherSadlowski]

Well, if there's any upside to global warming it's that places like Louisiana and Florida will sink beneath the waves. I mean, we'll also have all these displaced Republican cultists living closer to us in some places which is...concerning...

[@scloftin8861]

I'm actually surprised Louisiana beat Texas to this ...

[@purplefood1]

@@scloftin8861 It's weirder Idaho or Ohio didn't try it first.

[@redjules1215]

By exploiting time zones, I bet I could break the Sabbath three times a week!

[@loki6626]

Go for it. I'll work on breaking the 7 deadly sins. Mmmm ... Lust 😋

[@nobody.of.importance]

@@loki6626 Lust shouldn't be about force. It's an ART. To be...earned, and enjoyed. It's all about that journey...to pleasure town. You feel me?

[@Jackle69]

​@@nobody.of.importance Well said Asmodeus

[@ojrmk1]

"Yaass God Slaaay!" **murders the entire world in a flood** "...you KNOW that's not what I meant!"

[@kirglow4639]

Those who pretend to care about morality plaster 10 commandments everywhere, those who actually care about it do something about inequality

[@natewesley8507]

I’ve always found that the people that scream about having the Ten Commandments needing to be put up everywhere in the public are exactly the people that need the Ten Commandments in their own house super hypocritical

[@jpopelish]

I prefer Google's original corporate motto. "Don't be evil."

[@nobody.of.importance]

Can't imagine why they changed it. /s

[@kylezo]

Yea I remember back when Google's entire model was "we will never show ads in search results". That was the entire point at first, kind of crazy they became the largest advertising broker monopoly in the history of the world.

[@usernamenotfound80]

One thing to remember: Whenever "servants" appear in an English translation of the ten commandments, it is referring to slaves.

[@PaPaGonzo]

You're amazing Emma... I fucking love you. Your videos are always a highlight of my day. You're always on point and so cogent. Never be deterred!!!

[@jmrob161]

This has been a common practice by Republican governors in recent years. Basically, they sign bills in the hopes that they get challenged to the Supreme Court to see whether our current 6/3 conservative court will side with them. If the court has integrity they would stand on precedent and rule the laws are unconstitutional, but the court doesn't have integrity and it's already work in Republicans favor a couple times. To Emma's point as well, it's a win win for the governor because they get to look like a good conservative when they sign it, and if it fails they get to play the oppressed conservative card for easy political points. It's pathetic.

[@janmulcahy1458]

It's utter madness. I went to catholic schools in Ireland in the 80s and 90s and we didn't have the commandments on any walls. We learnt them when we were seven in religion class and that's where they stayed. It's precisely as you say, Christian nationalists seeing how far they can push the law 😊❤

[@glenmorrison8080]

I'm so deeply saddened and furious about this. I grew up as an atheist in the Los Angeles area, which is far from being very religious, but I still routinely felt judged, or othered, at school. By dumb questions from classmates, by the pledge of allegiance, by lots of small things. But the idea of having the fucking ten commandments posted in my classroom would have been a whole another level. And this is in the Bible Belt, where nonchristians are very very much more judges already.

[@mistysiren6488]

Been eagerly awaiting a new video from you! Always excited engage in the thoughtful content you produce

[@TowelsKingdom]

I think they are forgetting the commandment of the USA "Thou shall not mix church and state"

[@joachimschoder]

As with the rest of the commandments Republicans just ignore that one.

[@RealDanLivesay]

I'd actually argue that not taking the lord's name in vain is one of the most important ones. I had a preacher once talk about that rule as being more about not attaching the name of God to things that he's not about. Which ironically is exactly what the LA legislature is doing with this dumb law.

[@kyleepratt]

I think you're dead on. The biblocal scholar Dan McClellan speaks on this a lot, that certain objects or angels or people could be "bearers of the Divine Name". Authorized to stand in for their God Yahweh/El. Connecting his name to an action, a vow, a decision was religiously a big deal. Doing that lightly or incorrectly risked literal divine displeasure or wrath.

[@dorkangel1076]

And since this was written for the Hebrews, God had an actual name. The words "Lord" and "God" are more like titles than names.

[@natbarmore]

Though even the “don’t attach the name of God to things he’s not about” runs into the philosophical/theological problem of “God created everything” and “everything in reality exists because of God”. It’s the problem of evil, again, with the “all-loving” God setting up a trap and then punishing us.

[@LincolnDWard]

Exactly! It's about using God's name to justify ungodly action.

[@RealDanLivesay]

@@Antony-bp2yh I would say God isn't about using state power to enforce hypocritical dogma. When Jesus' followers wanted him to lead a coup and overthrow the Roman occupation, he was pretty clear that he wasn't about accruing earthly power. Sorry, that might have sounded preachier than I intended

[@jonathannz10]

Time for the origin of species to be mandatory on walls in churches

[@Riverwinds]

Yes… just yes

[@Xenobears]

My first thought when I heard about this was: “If someone proposed a rule requiring any other religion’s moral doctrine to be displayed in classrooms, how quickly would the people who proposed this rule have their heads explode?” If it’s something you wouldn’t want someone of a different religion to be able to push through, maybe you shouldn’t try to force it yourself.

[@lavarsch]

Oh wow i'm early... And it's funny how they are always "They shove it in our face....", and then do this

[@psyphi407]

Gilead may just become a reality in my life time.

[@ChristopherSadlowski]

I've been having the same thoughts, and I really don't like the conclusions I'm seeing in my mind...

[@StarlightEdith]

It terrifies me.

[@geoffreycat1763]

On point as usual, Emma. We are gobsmacked as well.

[@DustinKillyact]

Im from Louisiana and love Emma Thorne! Made my weekend with your video and amazing smile! Hope your weekend is great as well!

[@Inlittlewayseverythingstays]

As far as I can tell this law is blatantly unconstitutional.

[@MrGonzo-xj2wk]

Well yeah, but the bible belt doesn't give a single fuck about the constitution.

[@Rain-Dirt]

They will say that the USA was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.. One nation under god.... that it started as a christian nation... etc etc Hypocritical excuses basically.

[@darrenmchaffie553]

There are no other ducks before me, do not steal ducks, Thou shalt not kill ducks, Do not covet your neighbours ducks, Do not take the ducks name in vain....... What about other religions, or lack thereof. The Church of Satan should put theirs up beside it. And Louisiana always makes me think that it's Alabama Lite... I encountered a burning bush once, had to get cream from the pharmacist for it.

[@Ms_Nightshade]

Brilliant!! 😂 …..but damn you for forcing me to change shirts after cackling my coffee all over myself.

[@vforwombat9915]

"Do not covet your neighbours ducks, Do not take the ducks name in vain....... What about other religions, or lack thereof." shouldn't it be, or quack thereof?

[@highlorddarkstar]

Oh, I’m waiting for the Satanic Temple lawsuit for equal access. I think the only reason they haven’t is they expect it to get overturned the second it goes to court. As wild as the Supreme Court is right now, I think a 6-3 decision against Louisiana is a decent bet.

[@SashimiNeko]

Alabama Lite and the burning bush, I'm 😂😂😂😂☠️

[@EclecticGreyWitch]

The problem is, I don't think The Satanic Temple (the Church of Satan is different; The Satanic Temple is the one that does this kind of activism) can put their laws or tenets up, because the law only the Ten Commandments is required to be up. If a teacher put up the tenets, it would still be considered religious, so it wouldn't be allowed. I know the historical thing is BS, but that's how it would be played.

[@thebiblemademeatheist5]

When I was a Christian I kept the Sabbath day for 3-4 years. Ironically when other Christians found out they hated it. Some argued Jesus changed it to Sunday. Others claimed it was done away with in the cross. A few even claimed that Jesus is keeping it for them. I found it amusing how much they really seemed to hate keeping and of Gods rules. Eventually I came across the story of the 1st Sabbath Breaker and it started my realization that God was unjust. If you read the story it's very brutal what God did to that guy for just collecting fire wood. Glad I finally studied the Bible. The Bible made me Atheist

[@Where_is_Waldo]

"They've broken every commandment except one." "Hey Lenny, covet some more chili fries?" "You bet!"

[@EvilGrin]

Show the Seven Fundamental Tenets right next to the Ten Commandments, so the kids can compare and make their own decision. I got a hunch that the Satanic Temple would win that one...

[@mekannatarry1929]

It happens every time zealots expression gets pushed, every other religion then gets a fair share and the argument falls apart; it's why they're becoming more honest and working towards a theocracy.

[@PrincessJamiG]

Exactly.

[@DangerNoodleBoop]

Ah, but that's not "Historical"

[@nobody.of.importance]

@@DangerNoodleBoop As if that even matters.

[@DangerNoodleBoop]

@@nobody.of.importance Sadly, with our current Supreme Court, it might.

[@davidpebworth]

Great take on this, thanks Emma!

[@DoctorsDriveClassics]

And the 10th Commandment ("thou shalt not covert...") is literally a thought crime. Not to mention placing women as chattels on the same level as an ox or ass.

[@DrumWild]

Imagine it, a young Brit woman who knows MORE about the American Constitution than flag-waving American Christians. Also, more respect to America and the Constitution.

[@nicolasandre9886]

"How many christians do you know who have worked on the sabbath?" I don't know, which day is the sabbath already?

[@ironmilutin]

I think it was supposed to be Sunday, but I can't be 100% sure.

[@onceuponamelody]

None of them can agree. 😂

[@matthewrohr8964]

Sabbath is the name of the 7th day. It is also used as part of the name for any Holy Day in Judaism. The Sabbath can't be moved any more than Saturday can be moved. So, the Sabbath is Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. If you are going to keep that commandment, that is the time frame. Of course, this isn't even about religious instruction. Most Christians do not even believe in the 10 commandments anymore. Their theology says that Jesus supersedes the Law. The entirety of the Law is now, "Love God and love your neighbor." So, here we are. Christians are demanding that the 10 commandments be put up. Why? They say because it is a historical document that is important in terms of law and the development of our law. That, of course, is in stark contrast to the actual historical documents we have. No, the real reason is because they want to create a coercive environment. They want to take advantage of government to give political power to a particular faith. And you can bet that Christians wouldn't stand for this if it were being done to benefit a different faith.

[@rolfs2165]

@@matthewrohr8964 Sabbath isn't Saturday specifically, it's the last day of the week. And there begins the problem. Judaism says it's Saturday, Islam says Friday, Christianity says Sunday. So we have three religions, all based more or less on the same text, and they can't even decide which day the week ends …

[@StarlightEdith]

@@rolfs2165Judaism says Friday as well. It starts on Friday, the last day of the week. It ends on Saturday at sundown.

[@ethanbrown5913]

That valley girl accent is on point!!!

[@jamesgordon9825]

In my school district in Louisiana, in God we trust is legally required to be shown in every room in schools. Of course we all know the sketchy history of how this phrase became our national “motto”. They will use any loophole they can to force their religion on others.

[@meltorme-ntor2933]

Louisiana: Where your rights go to die. 🙄

[@lindyloohoo]

Considering the line “under god” is still in the pledge of allegiance (which in itself is so culty)

[@lazykbys]

Also considering that those words were added during the Cold War specifically to reflect America's religious faith in contrast to those atheistic Marxists.

[@curtisbogue3707]

I love how they say that we shouldn't teach children about gay people because that indirectly teaches them about sex. But then again we should post something in every classroom (including Kindergarten classrooms!) saying do not commit adultery!

[@Brandolupa]

emma's valley girl god voice is my new favorite

[@donatellod.dabbins3609]

Thank you so much for talking about this Emma! I'm not from Louisiana (I'm from Colorado), but this news made me deeply angry. I know I'm not the only one either. This is a slippery slope. Once this happens more states will try, but they aren't nearly as worried about other people's religious, theocratic, or spiritual beliefs. If they can put up the 10 commandments why can't we put up the 7 Tenets of Satan? The people who support it genuinely don't care about anyone else. They say things like other religions don't matter, cuz "my God is right" essentially.

[@TheCorpsehatch]

The Constitution does not have the words "separation of church and state" but the First Amendment has the words "Congress shall not pass a law to respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting its free exercise" which is a longer way to say separation of church and state. The phrase "separation of church and state" comes from letter Thomas Jefferson sent to Baptist association in Connecticut. George Carlin's 10 Commandments bit is spot on. Cannot imagine what he would say about the world in 2024.

[@nobody.of.importance]

It would also violate the freedom of speech. You're forcing words into teachers mouths by doing this, against their will. That's compelled speech by definition.

[@AdeptPaladin]

Are amendments to the constitution, part of the constitution? Yes.

[@Rain-Dirt]

@@nobody.of.importance Good point

[@qbasicmichael]

"Congress shall make no law ..."

[@fishdaddy35]

I love you reading the Commandments in the voice of a self-obsessed teenager!

[@Ghost_Of_SAS]

Little known fact: the commandments were actually 15, until Mel Brooks broke one of the tablets.

[@lyokianhitchhiker]

Oy!

[@georgem2334]

Keep religion in churches, not in schools. What if Muslims wanted to put their Quran in classrooms? What would Christians say about that?

[@ld6782]

without the slightest bit of irony or self-awareness, they would protest VERY hard.

[@unduloid]

Satanists should now insist on having the Eleven Satanic Rules on display as well.

[@nobody.of.importance]

It's the Seven Tenets, but I strongly agree.

[@elifia]

@@nobody.of.importance The Seven Fundamental Tenets (of The Satanic Temple) are definitely superior to the Eleven Satanic Rules (of the Church of Satan). The former is a genuinely good set of humanitarian values, the latter is basically just alt-right edgelord stuff.

[@WeirdlyWill]

Not only is it unconstitutional, it goes against why we even came to this country in the first place (to escape a state that was trying to enforce particular religious beliefs on everyone)

[@lcplaztec]

To be fair, though... The ones who came here for religious "freedoms" (the Pilgrims), wanted the freedom to impose their religious rules on others.

[@lazykbys]

@@lcplaztec So they were claiming that not being able to force their own belief on others was persecution? The more things change . . .

[@MrChainsawAardvark]

Unfortunately, the question is not "is this legal" (quite assuredly not) but rather "what are you going to do about it?" Basically its an excuse to flaunt power and show off how close they are to a theocracy because no one else could get away with this. I'd say that something like the Buddhist Eight-Fold Path is far more relevant to students and US law (Drunk driving, speeding, drug which commandment would those fall under?). But you can damn well bet noone is going to get a Buddha statue in front of a courthouse.

[@charleslipscomb2567]

They only want THEIR version of God displayed everywhere and to hell with other people's perspectives.

[@pauldhoff]

Louisiana will be spending a lot of money, in COURT.

[@matthewturner915]

I think the Valley Girl persona should make a podcast series.

[@duane_f]

Some lawyers are going to make a lot of money from this.

[@Anon-t2p]

The 10 Commandments is a historical document written by Charleston Heston

[@gloriadell3416]

Not Mel Brooks?? I think there were originally 15.

[@momcharlin517]

🤣😂🤣

[@Anon-t2p]

@@gloriadell3416 I rather Mel's version any day!

[@brx8r]

Charleston Heston never existed

[@farmersboy]

Schools are no place for religion, unless it's in history classes.

[@geraldkenneth119]

Or a class on theology

[@louistournas120]

That's what we had in Quebec, in public schools. There was a class called moral class. When I did the interview, the school guide asked if we were catholic. If yes, there is a religion class and if no, there is a morals class. Now that I think about it, it is weird that they had a catholic class but at least it is not forced on everyone. In morals class, they talk a little bit about the various popular religions. They talk about respecting your fellow man. That was in the 90s. Probably the catholic class has been eliminated now.

[@mekannatarry1929]

Lol they'll have a "morals" class, but no critical thinking course.

[@highlorddarkstar]

Honestly, religion in schools is the best way to create atheists. Forced belief is no belief. And even the Christian sects don’t agree on matters of faith… Lutherans vs Baptists anyone?

[@AdeptPaladin]

No, Religious texts should be in Literature - same with the other myths and figments of fiction are evaluated and dissected.

[@kennyfresquez7019]

I find it very interesting that they stopped it AT the college level. It's almost like they don't want to open themselves up to criticism from university students...

[@lukewarmninja9767]

The Louisiana law has very specific wording for the ten commandments, which a) would make it harder for kids to understand and b) would upset other branches of Christianity

[@SpaceLordof75]

Cue the George Carlin bit about the Ten Commandments. 😂

[@dragonhealer7588]

Oh good! So which 10? The ten residing in the Ark of the covenant? Or the 10 on the tablets Mosses smashed?!?!? I want to see it! "Thou shalt not boil a kid in it's mother's milk"😊

[@zotha]

Moses : The Lord, the Lord Jehovah has given unto you these fifteen... *drops tablet* Moses : Oy! Ten! Ten commandments for all to obey!

[@capercaillieskye]

@@zotha Lmao so true 🤣🤣

[@quinn0517]

Exactly where my brain went instantly

[@evilbob840]

in the bible, only the second list (with the boiling the kid in goat milk) is referred to as "The Ten Commandments". In the story it's clearly god's preferred list too. Paraphrasing, god says that Moses wrote the first list and probably made mistakes, so he'll write the real list himself and give the final version to Moses.

[@phonty1]

Good point!

[@OutlawSpaceWizard]

So....i grew up in small town Louisiana. Lemme give you the short version. I was a kid with Aspergers, who liked dragons, swords, rock n roll, anime, all that good jazz. I was also very interested in religion. I was raised pentacostal and was pretty devout about it, but i read up on the catholics , the jews, the hindus, ect. gnosticism, masonry, just like fucking everything. It was when i relly started questioning shit that things got hella dicey. I was already a weirdo, and serverly bullied. add in being an atheist who knows too much about religion and the fact that i was a punk by now, and i was like public enemy number one. I remeber having to fight to not stand for the pledge of alligence, as i wasnt comfortable with the under god thing, or the oath in general. My issue was mostly extreme bullying, i got physically assulted a few times for being a "devil worshipper". That was what they called me. "Devil worshipper". I got called that even when i was still christian. sorry for the lore dump but my point is Christian fundamentalism and a sense of xenophobia is so engrained in the culture down there to begin with, its no suprise this has happened. I can only imagine how horrible things are now for free thinkers. It's legit dangerous. This theocracy shit has been a long time in the making. There's an article from 2019 called " How Gene Mills Is Using Democracy to Make Louisiana a Theocracy" and it goes into much more detail but TL/DR : Dominionists used Louisiana's ingorance and prexisting christian tendencies to worm thier way into an already notoriously crooked goverment. This is how we get people like LA Rep Dodie Horton (the bill's author) saying shit like "I’m not concerned with an atheist. I’m not concerned with a Muslim, I’m concerned with our children looking and seeing what God’s law is.” Number 49th in Education. Number 1 in Violent crime. Something is very wrong with Louisiana.

[@mikehawk3152]

By most metrics Louisiana is at the bottom. This is how you rot the entire barrel.

[@Markleford]

"What is the point?" -- pretty much sums it up!

[@MrGonzo-xj2wk]

Brainwashing and indoctrination.